WD Black SN850 Firmware Update on Gigabyte Aorus M.2 x16 Quad card Heat and Speed Test
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Answering Subscribers Questions, Gigabyte Aorus M.2 x16 Quad card Heat and Seed Test plus We had to perform a Firmware Update on the WD Black SN850 to restore performance on that PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive! We're using Sabrent Rocket 4 2TB M.2 NVMe Drives and the WD Black SN850 and Samsung 980 Pro for a Total of 6 Drives Tested.
Components used in this Review as Listed below.
1. Gigabyte GC-4XM2G4 (AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor, Full PCIe 4.0, Advanced Thermal Solution for PCIe 4.0 SSD)
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2. Sabrent 2TB Rocket NVMe 4.0 Gen4 PCIe M.2 Internal SSD Extreme Performance Solid State Drive (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-2TB)
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3. WD Black SN850 - Gen4 PCIe, M.2 2280, 3D NAND, Up to 7,000 MB/s - WDS100T1X0E
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4. Samsung 980 Pro 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen4 Internal Gaming SSD M.2 (MZ-V8P1T0B)
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5. Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard for Threadripper III
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6. Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter
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7. Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapters
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8. Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB Internal Solid State Drive - M.2 PCIe Gen4 ×4 NVMe 1.4, Transfer speeds up to 7300 MB/s, 3D TLC NAND, 5100 TBW, 1.8M MTBF, and 3-Year Rescue Services (ZP4000GM3A013)
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9. Corsair MP600 PRO XT Gen4 PCIe x4 NVMe M.2 SSD - High-Density TLC NAND - Aluminum Heatspreader - M.2 2280 Form-Factor
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10. Teamgroup T-Force CARDEA A440 2TB with DRAM SLC Cache and Graphene Copper Foil 3D NAND TLC NVMe PCIe Gen4 x4 M.2 2280 Gaming Internal SSD Read/Write 7,000/6,900 MB/s TM8FPZ002T0C327
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11. WD Black SN80 Dashboard Control Panel software for Firmware Update.
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12. Samsung 980 Pro Magician Control Panel. See: Download Files.
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13. Sabrent 2TB Rocket NVMe Control Panel
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14. Hwinfo64 Thermal Sensors
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15. CrystalDiskMark
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Thank you for the thoroughness of your testing. Absolutely brilliant stuff.
Hi Chris K,
Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments!
OK, you've only got 27 minutes left to put up our daily tech fix!
Hi Max,
Sorry for delay. Was getting ready to Film ASRock M.2 x16 when another Question arose about this last Video to Optimize Performance on the Samsung 980 Pro with a Firmware Update. Changing gears to Film that cost me a day. Therefor, next up, Firmware Update on Samsung 980 Pro! Will that have any effect? We shall see! Stay Tuned!
Your going to spoil us with a vid everyday. 😁
Hi Max!
Thanks for watching! Just worked out that way! Filming next one this afternoon! Interesting to note differences in design. Also ran into a Problem with the WD Black SN850 on this Gigabyte Aorus x16 AIC. Then a Solution.
Those M.2 NVMe Heatsinks took a lot of time but worth it in the end. Lots of valuable knowledge gained from that experience.
We've only had 2 M.2 NVMe Adapters that were poor quality and bad performing products.
Appreciate Your Comments!
Thanks for the link to the Sabrent 2TB Rocket NVMe Control Panel. A GEN4 (first generation drive) on an Asus DIMM2 Al heat sink pcb running on an X399 GEN3 cpu lane clocked a poor 3.4GB/s at 39C. After 10 test in rapid succession 40C. That was with Grizzle pads. I am very happy with the Zenith TRX40 DIMM2 cards I found on ebay. sorry. I just don't have that WRX80 up and running yet. That deal with the firmware may help a lot of people in the future.
Hi Max Hughes,
Absolutely! Very interesting! Were You able to restore Performance to the Drive? The WRX80 will wait until You're ready. It's not going anywhere. And the new CPUs have been delayed for the TRX40 Platform. Was expecting new Bios Updates for that feature set but not now. Yes, had to show the M.2 NVMe Firmware Update. Just goes to show, whatever We get, Test and Verify! The What, Why and How! Appreciate Your Comments!
I like that big pad on that Gigabyte AIC. I might try a 120 x 120 pad on my AIC. Some thing else i can try. LOL The adventure never ends.
Hi Max Hughes,
Biggest yet! We need to see what ASRock is using! Always room for Improvement! And We tweak!
Thank you!
Hi Mikeb8134,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comment! Thanks for Watching!
Yay
Thank You for Watching!
Unfortunately I've seen similar erratic/flaky behavior like this slowdown.
I got myself a quartet of 17.5 euro, 250GB WD SN730 drives (Dell pulls from ebay but like new on CrystalDiskInfo with 4 or 5 power on counts) to raid 0 on an Asus Hyper m.2 Gen2 I also got for cheap. I slotted it to the x16 electrical of my MSI b450 Mortar Max (GPU on the x4 slot through chipset), and enabled x4x4x4x4. Initially tested each drive individually and one of them (in m.2 slot 2) just didn't wanna go much above 1GB/s on CrystalDiskMark. Restarted, removed other drives and that one kept missbehaving. Re-slotted it on the same slot and then it worked with all drives pumping the 2.5-3GB/s reads as expected, finally.
I then proceed to to the stripe raid using Windows, and as expected, got myself some 11GB/s and 7-8GB/s R/W respectively, at the first try. A day or two later, with about 10GB occupied, and for whatever reason CDM reports 1-2GB/s reads and simillar writes... Restarted machine and re-slotted once or twice and the issue kept happening. I go and test another day to confirm I am giving up on Windows-based Stripe (Raid 0) and guess what... Back to the ~10GB/s reads and simillar writes as before.
My guess here, and this is a theory only, is that these are issues at the BIOS/AGESA/CPU level, such as resource allocation or handling not working consistently. Some more context as to why I believe so is this system having a 3070 on that x4 slot, but also a 3080 through a mining PCIe riser doing x1 speed, and I also have my boot drive on the motherboard m.2 x4 slot (CPU). CPU btw is a 3800x combined with 32GB (2x16) 3600 CL18 Micron RAM (underclocked to 3333). So yeah, that's 25 lanes of PCIE right there with high performance graphics doing "intensive math" while also pushing loads of data through an x4 and an x16 slot direct to CPU, all at once. And driving 2 monitors and a bunch of USB peripherals, 1 of them Gen2 (I forgot, I also have a 1TB m.2 drive over USB-C), and mouse+keyboard+android device on 5Gbps hubs.
What I mean here is: there's just too many variables, and I bet that Aorus card pumping just 4GB/s, and then 2GB/s on what is supposed to be a PCIe 4.0 x4 Gen2 drive, when it should be doing ~7, is probably a similar issue.
Hi cldpt,
Crazy, right. Now that's a loaded System! Could be. Certainly possible. We could both be having a timing issue. According to the following article, it's the maximum payload size (MPS) and how that affects the maximum transaction layer packet (TLP) that goes through the PCIe controller.
WD Preps New Firmware to Restore WD Black SN850's Performance On AMD X570 Chipset | Tom's Hardware
www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/new-firmware-restore-wd-black-sn850-performance-amd-x570-chipset
"According to the manufacturer's investigation, the SN850 suffers from a drop in write performance on some X570 motherboards when the maximum payload size (MPS) is configured for 128 bytes. The option basically dictates the maximum transaction layer packet (TLP) that goes through the PCIe controller. Obviously, a low value will cripple devices with higher MPS capability, since they're forced to operate at lower MPS settings.
For now, it's recommended that SN850 owners install their SSDs on a M.2 slot that's connected directly to the Ryzen processor. If all your M.2 slots are already occupied, you may just have to wait for Western Digital's new firmware, which eliminates the MPS restriction on the SN850."
Appreciate Your Insight and Sharing Your experience. Eager now to Test the ASRock M.2 x16 card!
so as i have 2 x 16 pcie lanes on the asus rog zenith extreme, 1950x processor, is it best to fit the quad card nearest to the cpu ? and i have bought 4 x samsung 980 pro m.2 s to fit in this card.
Hello Malcolm,
Welcome! Excellent Question! X399 Chipset, HEDT! Smart choice. Short Answer: Using CPU Lanes only. According to the Documentation, x16/x8/x16/x8. Just remember to Bifurcate the correct Slot in Bios to see all 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Success on Your Installation and Configuration! When these Motherboards first appeared there was a Bus prioritization problem. Subsequent Bios Updates have rectified that conundrum. Enjoy!
I'd love to see performance on both quad cards in RAID-0 to compare with mine.
We'll keep that in mind! What kind of number have You achieved in RAID 0? Thanks for Asking!
Gill has done the AIC AMD Raid0 on a Gigabyte TRX40 mobo with GEN4 drives for us in the past. But not on the second generation GEN4 drives 7000GB/s. Four of the new $360 dollar drives is a chunk of maney and after I spent $1500 on four of the first generation of GEN4 drives would be really painful. Buying just one 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus for a boot drive made my nose bleed. In theory 4 old GEN4 15,000GB/s and 4 new GEN4 drives 21,000GB/s.
HI@@maxhughes5687,
Thank you for this! We're like rats chasing the cheese! Storage Junkies!
I dont have mine running yet. Still working on the custom loop. Will post when I get numbers.
@@LordChariot Bravo!!! #metoo hahahaha I'm looking at stuff in the LR. rads, pumps, res, fans and blocks for H2O and drives.
Bought a 1TB WD_BLACK SN850 NVMe SSD for more storage on my PS5 .. installed it correctly. System detected it. As I went on with the formating process. BOOM PlayStation crashes , shuts down.
After watching this video
I'm hoping it's the old firmware. PS5 requirements for speed are a minimum of 5500 Mbps. If the old firmware has it at only 4000 Mbps. This might be the reason why. I will update firmware come back and give an update.
Hi M Perez,
Welcome! Ouch! This is the 1st We've heard of this! Let's hope a Firmware Update will fix this! Keep Us Posted!
@@BuildOrBuy Updated the firmware and what do you know ...IT WORKS! Wouldn't have ever figured it out without this video. I was about to return it and get the Samsung 890 pro. Now let's see how it performs long term.
Hi@@mperez2496,
Outstanding! Go figure. How something so minor could be so major! Glad We could help! Keep Us posted on Your Progress! Thanks for Sharing!
Is it possible to dump the current firmware from an SN850/SN750?
Hi Coldblackice,
Welcome! Interesting question! NVMe is still fairly new. Commands issued to the miniport driver are used to determine Slot information.
Firmware images are maintained on the device in locations called slots. The Command and Control functions do not currently indicate procedures for extraction. That should be possible but apparently not yet. We should ask someone like Crucial for a Response! Doubt We'd get a straight answer from WD. Any Vendor would probably claim Firmware is proprietary.
Microsoft has some Documentation on NVMe here: Upgrading Firmware for an NVMe Device - Windows drivers | Microsoft Docs
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/storage/upgrading-firmware-for-an-nvme-device
Not certain what can be accomplished through Linux with nvme-cli command line interface. Worth looking into...
Open Source NVMe™ Management Utility - NVMe Command Line Interface (NVMe-CLI) - NVM Express
nvmexpress.org/open-source-nvme-management-utility-nvme-command-line-interface-nvme-cli/
To the best of my recollection, We use to be able to see WD Black Firmware updates as separate zip files. No more! Those have been removed and are now one way through the WD Control Panel. Most curious. Great question! Hope that helps for now! What's Your Plan? A Firmware Modification?
Damnitt!...Gil!...... If I have told you once, I have told you twice.
Use the big screw driver!!
Hi PersonalDroneRepair,
Good one! Bring out big bertha! Go big or go home!
@@BuildOrBuy :) :)
Thank you🌹⭐️
Hi Mee 2# G,
Thank You for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments!
Does the firmware update affect the contents of the drive? I've got an SN850 that doesn't _quite_ hit the full speeds on the chipset, but I don't want to lose any data!
ETA - just did it. Took less than ten seconds, manual reboot afterwards, and write performance is now correct.
Reads are still a bit slow - 6300 - but close enough😁
Hi JMUDoc,
Welcome! There You go! Excellent! Did You power down and reset power before rebooting? That makes a difference in those Results! Thanks for Asking and Sharing! We should always remember to clone, image or backup when doing anything that might compromise data integrity. Just FYI! Success on Your Computer Upgrades!
@@BuildOrBuy First thing I did after the update was a soft reboot - didn't even test until after that.
In case anybody is curious, this drive absolutely TANKS on B550, if the firmware is bad - I got 1600/1300, should be 3000+ on both sides!
Hi@@JMUDoc,
We also had to do a Firmware Update on that M.2 NVMe Drive. Found that out while Testing on 1 of the Quad cards. We encountered same problem as You did. But to reiterate only on 1 Quad card! Crazy, right! Thanks for Sharing!
Wonderful video. Did the Samsung have the newest firmware as well and maybe Performance Optimized with the Magician software?
It was magician that would go on line and download your drives contents to Samsung every day. How guys caught on was a sudden drop in video down load speed and a rise in SSD usage. If they were trying to game and stream the drive data dump would crash their system.
Hi John Paul Bacon,
Great Question! We made a follow up Video based on You and 2 other Subscribers asking about similar Results. Took longer to explain the Test than it did to run the Test! And the Samsung 980 Pro Firmware Update.
Samsung 980 Pro Firmware Update on Gigabyte Aorus M.2 x16 Quad card
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Thanks for Asking! Next Up, the ASRock M.2 x16 Quad card!
Hi Max,
Thanks for Responding! Better to uninstall Samsung Magician after applying the Firmware Update! That's nuts! We had to make a Video about the Optimization and Firmware Update. Took longer to explain the Chart than to get the Firmware and Test Redone! Next Up, the ASRock M.2 x16 Quad card!
I came here to learn how to update the SSD and this was no help.
Hi GothicKittyMadness,
Welcome! Bummer! This Video was Answering a Specific Question and was part of Our Series about M.2 NVMe PCIe Heatsinks and Thermal Pads! Here's what You want as mentioned in the Video under the Video Description:
WD Black SN80 Dashboard Control Panel software for Firmware Update.
support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=279
Install the WD Black SN 850 Control Panel. All M.2 Drives have a Control Panel aka Western Digital Dashboard. They all go by a different Brand name but functionally are the same yet Specific to the Brand.
This is the only way to Download and Install the Update by way of the Control Panel to the WD Black SN850 M.2 NVMe Firmware. Afterwards, Power Down the Computer completely! And Drain Power to reset the Computer! Then Power up and Verify Firmware Update by Testing Performance! Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Do you have a video on the gigabyte card with four of the gigabyte 7000s NVME's?
I mean it seems like common sense to have everything gigabyte on a gigabyte motherboard as well everything Aurora meaning the motherboard and the card and the NVME's to be the same make and model etc... Yes?
Hi WiKiTWoNKaWeCKoRDS LLC,
Welcome! Great Question! Great idea! It's only money! No We do not. We have Tested 3 ASUS, 1 ASRock, and several Gigabyte Quad cards from PCIe 3.0 and PCIe 4.0. The furthest forward was with Sabrent 5,000MBps M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives. 1st Generation, PCIe 4.0. Since then up to 4th Generation PCIe 4.0 Drives are available. And since PCIe 5.0 is coming, We wait! We have several Videos on all of those AICs mentioned.
What You can expect from what We've seen with 4 Drives in Hybrid Bios Bootable RAID 0 will yeild the Speed of 3 Drives. Therefor at 7,000MBps expect 21,000MBps. Thank You for Asking! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy I have a Gigabyte B450 AORUS M motherboard and I want to invest in the gigabyte quad card and also the gigabyte NVMe (I want to run them in raid 5 configuration and need a little tutoring on how to do so) but before I pay almost $600 I was hoping I could find somebody who had a video of the very similar thing I figured running anything other than gigabyte would be like oil and water and will not run at its peak performance hopefully maybe you might be able to do that for us soon
Hi@@WiKiTWoNKa,
1. What CPU are You using? 5950X? 20 CPU Lanes.
2. Is the 1st X16 available?
Looking in Your Motherboard pdf manual, there is NO reference to Bifurcation. Bios Bifurcation allows a PCIe Slot resource to be split from X16 to X4X4X4X4. Each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive requires 4 CPU PCIe Lanes. This type of card requires Bios Bifurcation and a X16 Slot, electrically, Bifurcated. Your other option would be a Self Bifurcated card. Those require a X16 Slot only. Highpoint makes those for PCIe 4.0. Do You need a reference? Hope that helps!
The best Solution for a B450 Chipset would be ASUS. They have done more with Bifurcation technology on other Chipsets of any Motherboard Manufacturer. ASUS Bifurcation Chart:
www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
ASUS has a Select few B450 Chipset Motherboards that do support Bifurcation. Gigabyte has other Motherboards supporting Bifurcation
but not the one You have. We've seen the technology on X670E Chipset Motherboards.
@@BuildOrBuy the first is not available it's being used by the AMD Radeon GPU I can't remember what model it is it's an AMD ryzen 5 CPU I can't remember I think it's a 1600
@@BuildOrBuy well I didn't want to use Asus because it's not an Asus motherboard.. of course I can put the GPU in the other pcie slot to make the first one available
Hello I have question about the ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2: can it be used with 4th gen nvme m.2 drive, if yes what about the speed.
Hi Chem Cup,
Welcome! Define 4th Generation Drives.
PCIe 4.0 has 3 Generations of M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives We're aware of. If You're talking about PCIe 5.0 Drives, due to the Speed that's going to have to be a new round of Add in Cards!
PCIe 3.0 = 3,500MBps.
PCIe 4.0, 1st Generation = 5,000MBps.
PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation = 7,000MBps.
PCIe 4.0, 3rd Generation = 7,300MBps on the Read and almost 7,000MBps on the Write.
PCIe 5.0 = 15,000MBps!
The ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 can utilize PCIe 4.0 M.E NVMe Drives.
The M.2 NVMe Speed is defined by 3 things:
1. Motherboard Chipset.
2. M.2 NVMe Drive Specs.
3. M.2 Adapter if using PLX chips. Otherwise the M.2 Adapter is just an I/O Card.
And the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 does NOT have a PLX Chip. To reiterate, We expect PCIe 5.0 to change that going forward.
Hope that helps for clarity! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the detailed information
Hi@@chemcup1610, Absolutely! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
I have had to ditch the Gamer CPU world, because they only have 20x PCIe lanes.
Hello cinemaipswich4636,
Welcome! Wise decision and smart perceptive choice! HEDT or Workstation! Which one?