Soyuz "Globus" Mechanical Navigation Computer Part 2: Powering Up
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2023
- We attempt to power up our repaired Soyuz INK "Globus" analog mechanical navigation computer, after 48 years. Update: we made the landing prediction calculation and indicator work in episode 3: • Soyuz "Globus" Mechani...
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I always salute to the engineers who could made _everything_ without digital computers.
Being all (mostly) mechanic reminded me of the Antykithera mechanism of 2200 years ago.
I always salute to the engineers who could made everything without computers.
The navigation computer is in fact a computer. But instead of software it has some electronics combined with physical mechanisms similar to those of wrist watch... So yeah back then instead of programming, they just built machines with very specific purposes. Software is a program that runs on so called ''Turing Machines'' Turing Machines are also known as Universal Machines for very obvious reasons you can just program stuff instead of building a whole machine for that purpose. Even though current computers are ''universal'' they are actually not so universal, there are things they can't do. But as we all know already Software seems pretty limitless. The possibilities seem endless with the kind of memory we have nowadays.
I hope there is a Russian engineer watching this and he’s yelling at his screen telling you how close you are, but can’t figure out to set the cam at 45degrees. But then you did, and he calmed down a little.
Именно так!
Boris liked that.
I bet he did.
Здравствуйте! Вы молодцы!
How about the engineer that thought to cut the wires so no one would ever find out....
My father was in the Russian space program in the 80's and 90's. I used to spend a lot of time at the cosmonaut city in Moscow and saw all these devices first hand. They had their own internal museums of history. I'm pretty sure I've seen the Soyuz clock there. I even took training on some of the modules that were common on the MIR space station, but that knowledge is now considered obsolete. Not like I'm going to space any time soon anyway.
Is this one of the museums you went to? ruclips.net/video/_64lGoxdCfc/видео.html
Greetings from New Zealand. No knowledge is obsolete. Stand proud.
@enilenis Great experience. You should blog about anything you remember so that your knowledge is available to others. SubStack is a great place to record stuff.
Do you have contacts that could record the could of the Solyuz clock wake up alarm signal. Could be used to make an authentic ring tone for the system simulators.
It was so lovel of Marc to take the time to read this and reply :)
Кто знает может устаревшие знния нам однажды понадобятся. Вот вы слышали например об советской эвм, на ТРОИЧНОЙ логике "Сетунь" из 1950х годов?
А троичная логика снова становится актуальной сегодня в квантовых компьютерах.
What amazing workmanship to create a precision analog tool like that. A real lost art!
artefacts of lost civilization
@@mikhail79279 да, тоже об этом подумал, сидят на западе и изучают технологии исчезнувшей цивилизации)
The much more interesting question is: how did they make gears in XV-XVI centuries used in tower/hand clocks, since they had no any machines to produce gears.
@@user-db6pt5gq7u with a file and lots of time
@@alexandredevert4935
and with a lot of patience as well.
this is the first time I really understood why the flight path of a spacecraft looks like a wave when it is orbiting around the earth. thank you
Same here
In 1972 I tried to design a navigational device for cars using tapered rollers and a scrolling map but wondered how to fit a machine 2 x 2 x 0.7 metres into a car.
I was only a British squadie and I think I was a little bit out of my league, I obviously gave up but this invention here is amazing.
It was strange to find this video of this device from the same era and I humbly stand in admiration of the designer. Thank you.
I'm sure you could have figured something out with microfilm and a projector perhaps.
Probably a bit too late now
Check out Honda’s Electro Gyrocator from 1981!
You could've probably figured it out too if you had a team of engineers, millions of dollars, and an NKVD officer providing emotional support.
@@morethanjustasloth5528 NKVD was disbaned at 1946...
What's stopping you from doing it now? Seems like a fun project, honestly.
Remember all that mathematics in school, you'd never ever have a world use for? Well, welcome to real-world maths class people!
Excellent job to team CuriousMarc. Stay curious my friend!
It is all very interesting, but the overwhelming majority will never need to know those maths.
My words man. Everything is standing on mathematic foundations.
The ammount of times you calculate stuff with orbital mechanics as an average person isn't very high
I agree with you, this machine is totally math equation. I'm very proud to the engineer who create this machine no matter west or east block they were worked for.
You don't *need* to know orbital mechanics, if you can already do the maths. You just have to spend long enough staring at the problem until you work out how to apply the maths you *do* know.
This is mechanical engineering at its finest. It's a shame our college teachers didn't use this as an example of applied maths and mechanics when I was studying. Great stuff guys!
Your college teachers suck.
@@ahmadsantoso9712 They were good enough. They just used examples more related to day-to-day mechanical engineering solutions.
The music is Polyushko-polye composed by Lev Knipper, with lyrics by Viktor Gusev in 1933.
Some (quite good) renditions are uploaded under the name “Cossack Patrol” :)
You could hear this music in old versions of World of Tanks
Incredible analog computing. Amazing.
And it's 10x overclockable. Even without liquid nitrogen
Man I wish i had this level of understanding of electronics.
It's mainly mechatronics.
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen on RUclips.
Globus was designed by "КБ топливо-измерительной аппаратуры" in Leningrad. And it was manufactured by "Завод Пирометр" in Leningrad
I always enjoyed those obscured names of Soviet research institutes and factories.
Is it Lening-rad or Lenin-grad?
Lenin-grad, city of lenin
@@avetl "Construction bureau of fuel measurement equipment" and "Pyrometer factory".
Can imagine that it's hard to argue that you paid for more fuel than you pumped with this factory's diversification.
I used to use NORAD keplers to track HRPT (high resolution Picture Transmission downlink) NOAA satellites in equipment we were working on - it was always a thrill to see MIR come up pass overhead based on our computer prediction from the TLEs (two line elements) This nav unit is a total masterpiece of Russian engineering. Thanks for getting it working.....
Very cool. These old analog instruments shouldn't be forgotten now that we have digital tools. Also the analog instruments are much more serviceable than electronics. Good look repairing an iphone from 2000's in 50 years after it's obsolescence.
Marc your content has quality that even a swiss watchmaker would appreciate.
I think this is the first time I've seen overclocking experiments on an analogue computer! :) :) :)
Apollo/Soyuz was the first space flight I saw on TV that I was old enough to properly understand. :)
Das "Übertakten" eines Elektromagneten zum Antrieb eines Klinkenrades ist allerdings nur in einem begrenzten Rahmen möglich, alles andere ist eine "Vergewaltigung" der Mechanik und so auch nicht vorgesehen. 🙄🙄🙄
All I can do is marvel at the genius behind all these works.
Apollo-Soyuz was flown at an inclination of 51.8°. Some sources claim 51.7° but NASA sources and the original press kit state that it was 51.8°.
What does that mean?
@@ahmadsantoso9712 the angle to the equator
It is just such a joy to watch such brilliant people bring these space artifacts back to life. I feel both smarter and much dumber after I watch. I am so excited to see Globus in action. It’s a true work of art, and looks like a thing that should be in every spacecraft. Keep up the amazing work, Marc and Co.!!!
Это просто такой кайф! Спасибо, дорогие специалисты, что показали и починили это чудесное устройство
❤️
Это слегка усовершенствованный Антикитерский механизм второй половины II века ДО нашей эры.... Добавлен глобус....
;)))))))))
*It's a captivating blend of electronics and mechanics in perfect sync.* 👍👍👍
Ah, nostalgia. I use to have that version of Tetris on my Apple IIe. My mom and I would spend hours playing it.
Eine kleine Geschichte
Ich hatte in den 1980gern einen Modellbausatz für das Raumfahrzeug von Jurie Gargarin geschenkt bekommen... Beim zusammen Bau ist mir dieser Navigationscomputer aufgefallen und ich habe mich gefragt, wie dieser funktioniert... 😊
Ich danke euch für dieses Video
Jurie Gargarin died in 1968. How could he gave you a model? Or what you meant is the model was of his spacecraft?
Die russische Raumfahrt war ein Thema im Schulunterricht...
Und ich hatte ein Modell aus Kunststoff das ich zusammen gebaut habe 😊...
I would like to see some closeups of the mechanics in the back working as it runs, I love mechanical stuff
See the first video
@@aicisha no I mean as it’s running. Those are shots before they got it operational
1 may say mechanics (or moves/acts/elements) is Highest (and most reliable) form of math+, especially when/if 1 see/know how it (all) works, of course again if to consider at least 2-lateral system of signals Dialog in human' Temple as some lens/key. Sorry, for slightly ornamental phrasing. Krgds, AA.###
Oh you want some closeups of her backside huh ? You dirty perv ! Leave the Globus alone. She's a sensible beauty.
@@Andr3Wild3f7ck/sc4ew y0u (or mor0n/f4gg01/a33) + //####
5:55 I’m surprised it can even run that fast! Sounds like a ticking rocker in an engine. On a side-note, I wonder if it was as loud in the instrument panel of the spaceship as it is out in the open? I could see that clattering away every second getting annoying after a while in orbit.
not nearly as annoying as when it stops clattetring !
The Soyuz is extremely loud inside from all the fans and AC systems running, so I wouldn't imagine it would be too bad! Source (from about 1 minute onwards): ruclips.net/video/GcuQuMinrCo/видео.html
@@kristenburnout1 That's a much newer ship and probably a lot quieter than the one this clock flew on. I can't imagine the racket inside an old Soyuz on orbit. I'm sure it didn't bother the crew, though. They were more concerned with praying the communist hunk of metal hurtling through space would hold together.
It's normally sealed in it's case and inserted in an instrument panel so maybe its a little bit quieter. There's that other clock showed on the channel earlier going too, though...
@@MontegaB This "communist hunk of metal" had amazing reliability. I would rather fly on it than on a new capitalist hunk of metal by Musk with unknown reliability.
These guys could bring board games enhanced with mechanical devices to a new level that could surpass PC games! Thank You for making my time so amazing.
You don't compare ice cream to french fries.
Your video reminds me of my time working on the C-130. We had a device known as the Along and Across Track Computer, it would indicate deviation left or right of the aircraft's progress on it's flight path. It was a mechanical computer with a fist sized sphere and electro mechanical sensors to provide deviation signals to the indicator. I used to joke that to fix the device we had to send it to Speedy Transmission repair shop downtown.
The tune is called " Poliushko Polie" a song about a large field. Tetris game is supposed to have "Kalinka malinka" tune!
This is seriously the coolest machine i have ever seen wow what a level of engineering :) thank you for sharing .
I just found this channel and going through your previous vidoes, I am utterly blown away with how intellgent everyone in your "team" is. I can't emphasize how impressive it is, keep up the great work. I don't know how I haven't found this channel ealier.
thank you for this video, i love your balance between keeping it simple enough to explain, but not being afraid to deep dive into the specifics.
Coming up with, designing, machining and validating those cams is just next level mind blowing to this hobby Arduino pilot.
Ok, yeah this is obviously one of the coolest bits of engineering ive seen in a while, but that ticking noise is so incredibly loud! Can you imagine being stuck in a tiny Soyuz capsule with that thing ticking every second throughout your entire mission? it would drive me nuts
That's why every comrade cosmonaut always carries earplugs when working. After all the sound keeps them from falling asleep while working.
Этот,звук не давал мне заснуть,на работе!😂
Maybe I'm wrong but this brilliant piece of engineering can worth a fortune.
NASA had an incredible device to navigate to the moon using the stars
Omg. I did have a Mac SE when i was a kit, and I had Tetris installed. That ending is bringing me so much memories ! ^^
What an interesting find!! I’ll admit though, after years (40+ adult) - I’m amazed and delighted at the color of the globe, it’s quite beautiful. I’m used to the monochrome instruments putty vibe. Cheers and thanks for the video!!!!
I love your "toys". Treasures of ingenuity brilliantly put together. This is the kind of teardown that has always been what I hoped for. Lots of respect to the guys who invented this kind of marvels and many thanks to you for the video sharing your passion for such objects.
Thanks for documenting how smart you are, and all the cool gadgets as well.
Excellent content. Absolutely wonderful to see it working. Thank you, Marc!
Marc, Now you'll have to mate the Globus with the Soyuz clock module.
Soon we will have a complete Soyuz capsule at this rate
Absolutely fantastic work guys, respect!
What a great exploration into all kinds of corners of knowledge.Math, Earth, Science, Electronics, Mechanical etc. First glims, just a mechanical easy looking device, then it starts and discover so many great thinking in how to construct a useful visual device. Amazing peace of equipment. And what a beauty it is.
Fantastic !!! I hardly can belive my eye's that I have the privilege to witness and understand The Globe analog magic. Thanx a lot team.
Respect for the engineers who must have mastered the electronics and mechanics required for making this thing work
How the hell did i just NOW discover this channel?
Oh man. There is SO MUCH good stuff in the back catalogue! :)
I find comfort in the ingenuity that went into this, and your examination. I am intelligent, to a degree, but I will never be as smart as you guys! It's oddly comforting
Thanks for the work you've done. It is always interesting to watch, such interest in our history pleases.
Mein großer Respekt an die Erbauer dieser wunderbaren Maschine, für die damalige Zeit ein Wunder der Sowjet Technik. Hochachtungsvoll.
You are so very lucky to have all this cool stuff!
I love mechanical computers!
This mechanical computer would've be perfect for teaching engineers on making mechanical control systems. This is a brilliant computer and is superior in many ways! Good video!
I don’t think flat earth people would find much comfort in this video.
my gosh this is beyond engineering creativity. It looks like it's coming from a Star Trek episode - but this actually works and potentially flew around the globe. It blows my mind.
Growing more and more fond of mechanical solutions of the past. Nowadays it's easy to do everything digitally. But there is beauty in analog user interface and a machine that works just by supplying it with power.
Even more impressed you actually found out how to calibrate it.
I LOVE this old tech. Been looking for videos about getting old tech to work again.
As an automotive technician that does this sort of thing for fun I have a power supply and an oscilloscope I get aircraft systems and instruments and power them up it's very interesting to understand how it works and see it in action and repairing them to work is the best part.
what a tremendous piece of analogue mechanical engineering - well done for getting it operational again! In technology terms, it reminded me very much of the 1960s vintage Ferranti moving map display which was fitted to the RAF Harrier aircraft - it projected the aircraft's position onto a map which was stored on a 35mm film strip.
This is art! Both your documentary as the Globus.
in the 90s, my friend worked at the reception of scrap metal from military units. There were many such devices with very intricate details. I was doing advertising then and got myself such devices to have gear shafts and microbearings .... I still have several boxes full of such mechanics
GLÜCKSPILZ!
Очень рад что аппарат не попал в копыта металлистов.
какие металлисты? это коллекционная вещь. где они её достали это тоже вопрос.
@@kachala пусть лучше у пендосов лежит, целее будет. У нас давно бы уже ушло в небытие из-за 0.0000г посеребренки.
I stand in awe of this teams never ending accomplishments!
3:30 Hanz Zimmerman - No time for caution 🤣
Firing up the piano!
Incredible piece of technology. Thank you for sharing this!
The graphic on this machine is so realistic i feel i can touch it
Wow! this was great to watch.The movements of orbit are mesmerising. It would be nice to be able to set this up as a screen saver.
Absolutely amazing! Thankyou Marc and Ken!
Great work, it’s cost time and a lot of knowledge. Thanks for the effort.
Wow, I am very impressed, Just wonderful work by the techs working on this and to the engineers that disigned and built this unit.
You are absolutely great, i saw every video and its amazing...
CuriousMarc, you are producing a treasure for future generations, dont stop
Wow, can't wait for part 3!
Such an ingenious device. So elegant. The thought that went into making it. I am blown away. Well done lads for figuring it out.
I remember that soyuz-nasa meetup! Very exciting to my elementary school brain! And what a lovely bit of analog engineering.
Flat Earthers refuse to watch this 😂.
Nice work. I have work on instruments in the pass, but nothing quite that complicated. The mechanical analog engineering is fascinating.
Heyy amazing I've been waiting for a new episode.
Waiting for the next video with impatience!
Wow, you guys continue to amaze. 👍
What nice work, congratulations!❤
We’ll great, a _second_ evening with Tetris blocks running through my head… 😂
That's interesting & dope of how that ol-school/vintage yet modern computer map still looks & running high-quality.
You guys are amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks this thing is so cool. It reminds me of some of the things that were done for early flight simulators
Absolutely mesmerising to watch it spin, bravo for getting it to work!
do you know the name of that music?
@@middle_way47 Polyushka polye
@@Pakicetus_ Thank you very much
Absolutely stunning!
I'm speechless! Making this machine only by using gears and mechanical parts is so distant from how the same problem would be approached today.
Here you can see with your eyes what people intend for "analog warmth"
Amazing! Literally amazing content!
"Navigation Computer" = Looks exactly like some prop from a spy movie used to aim a doomsday weapon :D
Interstellar overdrive @5:54. Great job and video on that wonderful piece of equipment!
Can someone explain to me how this feels more “clever” than a modern computer. I know that’s nonsense to say but somehow it feels smarter that the engineers managed to figure this out and make such a lovely piece of electro-mechanical engineering
Well I would say that many things are nowadays numeric and many expect that a program can do anything that you want easily. For the mechanical counterpart ppl expect that u need a deep knowledge of physic etc and a clever mind in order to build this type of machines. It could be the same as thinking of using steam to push things it is a clever use of physics.
I just discovered your channel through this video. Likes have been issued. Subscriptions have been taken. Amazing!
My dad worked at the Defense Mapping Agency in St. Louis in the late 60s that made some maps for the space program. The Americans didn't have this wonderful gizmo but they did have laminated orbit charts that unrolled the ground track into a cylindrical projection. He gave me some that were made for some of the Gemini and Apollo missions; I lost track of them years ago, though, I suspect he has them.
What a beautiful work of art.
Such a beautiful machine. A work of art. Also good to see the old Mac. I have fond memories of using them. Way quicker than my current windows laptop. Guess I should get a solid state hard drive.
Thank you, amazing piece of engineering!
Really great video, thank you!
I can't imagine how absolutely insane it would have been to be flying an (almost completely?) electromechanical spacecraft. All that ticking!
It's just so cool & beautiful! I want a Big one with a globe the size of a yoga ball!
I’d love to see this Globus globe reproduced by mova globes.
Super fascinating 🔥
nice detective work to understand mechanical computer