That is how it has been for so long the public just didn't know it, the Councillors don't know what to do, they don't understand the Treaty at all, Pakeha just leave it to Maori to make it all up cos we didn't study and understand our past. Maoris have dominated the false narratives
Does this Council really believe they have a mandate to clearly go against the government's wishes. No mention of any other peoples here so this once again is telling all your rate payers and all Kiwis Maori are once again more entitled than others. One country. One people. The sooner that happens the better and the sooner all peoples have the same rights and respect.
You forget the treaty is between maori & the crown it doesn't involve anyone else. You might want to look a bit farther afield regarding rights & respect as Europe did that & now they pay the price for it,i could go into detail however i'll just say Rotheram or new years eve Labour & greens are for open borders i'm fk'd if i want that shite here it's destoryed my place of birth you know it as the other party in the treaty meaning i'm prepared to ceed any sovereignty to maori if they can decide who should be here & not allow shite here
Council should stick to their core business, not spend ratepayers money on unnecessary social experiments. Give the money back to the ratepayers and reduce the rates.
Adern govt gave the Maoris in Wanganui $1.2 million for the river. What has been done with the money because the river is never properly cleaned of drifting logs. Also maraes are given thousands of dollars a year. Why?
Yes and the river is not protected.... people are allowed to spray huge volumes of poison onto large areas of willow trees growing on its banks. (By helicopter). It's all a farce, big, fat, lie.
Last I checked this is country is under the rule of the Crown ( The King of England) I don’t remember voting for him some might say that is not very democratic
@@matthewdonoghue321 Get rid of the King you reckon , and to compensate him for any losses he may incur maybe we could offer him he a Treaty and never honour it, we could wait over a hundred years and when his successors ask about it we could just tell them that happened centuries ago and they should just suck it up
@@edwardwhakatihi1226 the year is.2024 not 1840, of course you're not voting for the king.. We should all be voting for health, education and the economy, without those we have no county.
A "nuianced approach" - how here we go again - the slovely, warm and fuzzy rhetoric. The Council DOES NOT NEED to do any "community" deals - these are not with the "community" - the "community" has been conflated to be "Maori." The Council is the governance organisation - not creating another governance organisation that gives Maori 50% of the power, when they are NOT 50% of the electorate. This again, simply means that every other New Zealanders vote is halved in value, and Maori's power is doubled. The Council IS the GOVERNANCE Body. STOP this nonsense. You do not NEED another governing power in order to localise central government decisions - the COUNCIL just needs to get on with localising. NOT creating more and more expectations amongst Maori of more and more say and control and power that then when its gets wound back because of what it is - a power grab - then there is screaming, violence, angry insult hurling, like we saw in on this recent march.
So iwi making decisions for community... Isn't that undemocratic? How does the money get in the trust? Is it rate payer money? If so that's council funding social health issues . That's not a council scope or core function? Does wanaganui not have any water sewage or other issues you could be Spending rate payers money on ???? Did wanganui not have a rate increase ?
These Maori rebels hate Pakeha, don't give them anything that effects us, they are spreading racism and white hate everywhere we don't need them deciding anything it will all be to ursurp us and take more, they do not deserve this status at all in fact the Treaty Chiefs warned them NOT to start political partys that's a principle. I live in Auckland whcih was made for Pakeha, it was heavily attacked by Kingis, we want somewhere we can associate with mainly Pakeha, Maori have their Maraes and land areas, we have nothing as a collective Native ethnicity
I can't believe what I heard in this video. Firstly when he paraphrased Ken Mair... you should know that he is a lifelong radical activist who was largely responsible for the local protests in the 90's. The fact that Ken has had a hand in this is like broadcasting that Karl Marx is advising him on economics! Yes it is that bad. Secondly if this is going to be binding on future councils then there should be a local referendum, Tripe was NOT elected to do this. Thirdly, Tripe mentions that the public will see no difference... if so then why do it? Basic rule of government... if it's not broken don't fix it. Fourthly the logic here is bizarre... if land is gifted to the council it is exempt from this co governance arrangement... but other public land is liable? Why? And yes as Laws mentioned... the government has told local councils to stop this nonsense and focus on core services. If I remember correctly Tripe said that they were focusing on core services... and now he does this... Liar. Lastly... involving Iwi on how to deal with the drug problem is going to be counterproductive. Their policy is to always blame colonialism. Which means young Maori are being taught by activists NOT to take responsibility for their own behaviour. If you extend and endorse this thinking... then the drug problem will get worse. Because the only way to get people off drugs is to get them to take responsibility for their actions.
He goes on about a “local solution for the local community”. Yet all those programs and initiatives, I would be unsurprised if 90% of Whanganui rate payers had no idea what any of them are. Councils has gone from being run by the community for the community to being run being a bureaucracy that thinks it knows better and doesn’t give a stuff about local community input. We need to go back to the way councils were run 30 years ago when they were run far cheaper and move efficiently with more community input rather than just input from special interest groups.
As Laws points out the Wanganui District Council is not a signatory to the Treaty of Waitangi. It has just spent $80,000,000 on upgrading our Art Gallery. It belongs to the Wanganui Ratepayers who pay for its maintenance does it not? Why would you give away our property to a Maori Trust/Charity? Govt Departments don't pay rates do they? Why mislead us with reference of support from Police or Corrections for constructions on our old UCOL site other than as a 'red herring'? They are subject to Parliament! This is another attempt at co governance before we even get to vote on Maori seats. Another radical Council less than a year from election
Wonder when Marae will start paying rates instead of bludging again & paid for by the other rate payers. Unless elected Maori have no rights to be automatically put on the council. Tainui charge Auckland rate payers for water from the Waikato river & the bill todate is $24million & again NO Maori Marae in Auckland pay Council rates yet expect to get all the benefits of services provided for by the council & paid for by all other Auckland ratepayers, unbelievable rort racist & divisive.
I think Marae should be rates exempt.I see no reason why these should be subject to rates given the cultural importance and no I don't believe in Maori sovereignty for a number of reasons
There is nothing democratic about this council decision, disgraceful. Local council has no obligations under the Treaty there obligations are to ratepayers, all of them, equally
Whanganui is going to the pack.... the town centre is all Maori art and seating areas etc (likely at great cost) and as though thats some kind of draw card... more amd more shops are now food outlets with new fast food places opening pretty much weekly it seems. Parking fees and fines are through the roof for in town. The beautiful Sarjeant Gallery got a big black box tacked on the back, designed with iwi and complete with waka etc.... new entrance.... its lost its heart and soul. And it was at huge cost and someone recently took a photo of a big crack thats appeared in the concrete flooring in the new back end....!
I couldn't agree more, however to be fair things are only going to worse... from bad. Here are a few examples... The council built the Olympic size pool, except the council cut costs and made it a few meters too short for the Olympic standard. The council built the velodrome, they made it wood and then decided to cut costs by not putting a roof on it... necessitating that it needed resurfacing. The council built a new stadium at Cooks Gardens, however they did not install enough changing rooms so rugby teams have to change elsewhere and then get transported to the game. The council tried an untested method to deal with human waste... most of us can remember the whole town stinking of human waste for well over a year. The council forced every household to separate waste water from rain water... at great cost. However after they did so they found that the waste sewerage lines around town didn't have enough liquids going through them... so the council decided it was ok for them to add liquids to the lines to clear them. Oh and you mentioned the new art gallery... somehow they did that grotesque extension... and in doing so made the library car park smaller!... a carpark which was always full whenever I visited. The council even gets the little things wrong... at my local park their used to be a rubbish bin, when I took my kids there I would often clean up glass that had been smashed by teens. The council in its wisdom removed the only bin taking away my ability to help keep things clean. Oh... one more... The Museum used to have a balanced approach where their was the Maori waka downstairs and the colonial stuff upstairs. However they have removed the Zulu war shield and destroyed the replica of the stockade. Basically the activists had a field day putting a racial bias into the museum.
non elected iwi having veto power on council decisions ? there is a name for that, RACISM, what makes Maori so special, they are not indigenous, there should be a referendum on decisions like this, council do not have a mandate to do this !!
Co governance solution , if every single Maori issue from now be funded out of only Maori tax payers or rate payers funds , as giving to one without giving to others is the definition of racism and we don't want to be accused of racism now do we ? lets see how long that lasts 😂
Tripe is enabling the stripping of Whanganui assets. The Sargent Gallery 'upgrade' is nothing short of cultural imperialism dressed as 'Co-governance or Iwi cooperation. Most of the funds were spent on a new warehouse style tribute to honour the memory of Te Atawhai Archie John Taiaroa. The real work on the Sargant Gallery is of 2nd concern and unfinished. I fear that funding will run out or be needed at Te Puna Hapori justice precinct before it's done. This is all meant to wear us all down so we don't object anymore. Co-opting is not cooperation.
How about Hylton Park/Pit... gifted to the people of Whanganui, to be managed by council (why say land is gifted to council! The council is just an entity working for the people - is it not?!).... Hylton Park Ive been told has a Maori Trust managing it who make revenue from pine planting. The mountain bike club have the use for tracks. And whoever does the pines sprayed massive amounts of round up by helicopter within 200 metres of residential housing and over a body of water.... enough to kill a whole stand of punga around the waters edge and 30 to 40 foot pine trees!
He got in because the people of Wanganui felt he had the concerns of our people at heart. Not just the few loud-mouth he is trying soooo hard to appease now. Totally spineless!!!
If they want to play this game. (Local iwi) what about the original tribes voice?? Tribes invaded by a more aggressive Iwi, who lost their lands through warfare and enslaved. Do they get claims to their traditional lands? Ngāi Tahu now has majority of the South Island.. But they’re from Gisbourne area originally. Ngati Toa conquered area around central NZ, they’re from the Waikato. Just to name a few of many examples. But I guess there’s no profit in that debate!
What's also really relevant is the fact that the Taiwanese traveled down through the Cook Islands picking up the language and some dna in their stay there then evicted and ended up in New Zealand where they annihilated and assimilated the peaceful people already here. People who were near identical to the Aboriginal Australians from the area that is now Sydney. There are written records and photographic evidence. The Taiwanese were head hunters and the Cook Islanders practiced cannibalism both of which continued in New Zealand (kaitangata) They took the best looking women as wives from what they considered a very ugly people and even had a term for "black fellas". Even though the Moriori and Maori share dna I suspect the peaceful nature of the Moriori is a continuation from being those first people.
They will soon enough, when they start to get ignored, rejected, fired, trespassed, banned, service denied, evicted etc. That's their future in this country, because The Maori Party Outliers can't control themselves.
Michael you failed to ask the crucial questions which are "Why should Maori be involved in the running of the council? Where is the mandate for this? Why are not the Chinese, and Japanese or other cultures not involved in running councils? Why have Maori been singled out as special? What unique knowledge or contribution do they bring that no one else can bring?" This was not your best interview Michael.
My tipuna signed He Whakaputanga (Declaration of Independence) 28.10.1835 and Te Tiriti 17.2.1840. Pōmare believed he had not given up any sovereignty and stated that he was not able to in any case, as it belonged to all of his iwi.
@@lockk132 Co-governance rather than separate governments ensures government laws meet matauranga lessons learnt from the past and ecological criteria that affect all New Zealanders. Just like laws are dealt with now, they need to be case by case. What is good for Māori is good for all New Zealanders.
@@djpomare what's good for all New Zealanders is good for Maori. Stable economic management, secure property rights, national defence and collective security, free and open trade, equality of opportunity, prevention of discrimination, free speech, assembly, conscience. Sounds like Maori enjoy considerable collective public goods. How is that a problem?
@djpomare yes ,but that isn't what many Maori are after and it's not treaty compatible .Apart from the northerntribes with their declaration, there is no clause or anything resembling as such for a pan Maori movement, government or co governance. There are simply hundreds of signatures representing hundreds of separate tribes.
Wonder when Marae will start paying rates instead of bludging again & paid for by the other rate payers. Unless elected Maori have no rights to be automatically put on the council. Tainui charge Auckland rate payers for water from the Waikato river & the bill todate is $24million & again NO Maori Marae in Auckland pay Council rates yet expect to get all the benefits of services provided for by the council & paid for by all other Auckland ratepayers, unbelievable rort racist & divisive.
Any amount of co-governance or co- management involving unelected officials is simply undemocratic.
and criminal.
@@johns7988 exactly
and a load of tripe
Councillors are democratically elected.so what are you harping on about.Time for maori to get the violins out.
And whom picks up all costs - always YOU the Ratepayer
I do not support co-governance. To my mind all New Zealanders should be represented at local council and government.
Why on earth are councils handing over decision making or veto rights to tribes? Why not leave things as they are?
That is how it has been for so long the public just didn't know it, the Councillors don't know what to do, they don't understand the Treaty at all, Pakeha just leave it to Maori to make it all up cos we didn't study and understand our past. Maoris have dominated the false narratives
Do these councils not get it! This is not what the majority of New Zealanders want!
Dont you get it??.The majority of nz dont live in Wanganui.
@@eddieh4800 It is happening in my city of Napier only on a larger scale! Do you even know what is happening in yours? Probably not!
@@karlharrison2449 ill get out my violin.
Does this Council really believe they have a mandate to clearly go against the government's wishes. No mention of any other peoples here so this once again is telling all your rate payers and all Kiwis Maori are once again more entitled than others. One country. One people. The sooner that happens the better and the sooner all peoples have the same rights and respect.
You forget the treaty is between maori & the crown it doesn't involve anyone else.
You might want to look a bit farther afield regarding rights & respect as Europe did that & now they pay the price for it,i could go into detail however i'll just say Rotheram or new years eve
Labour & greens are for open borders i'm fk'd if i want that shite here it's destoryed my place of birth you know it as the other party in the treaty meaning i'm prepared to ceed any sovereignty to maori if they can decide who should be here & not allow shite here
You can have the govts wishes...
I'm more interested in the govts promises, and there's not a lot of those being kept so far...
Councils are not required to use the treaty, its the government that has this honour the treaty end of the story
Council should stick to their core business, not spend ratepayers money on unnecessary social experiments. Give the money back to the ratepayers and reduce the rates.
Adern govt gave the Maoris in Wanganui $1.2 million for the river. What has been done with the money because the river is never properly cleaned of drifting logs. Also maraes are given thousands of dollars a year. Why?
Yes and the river is not protected.... people are allowed to spray huge volumes of poison onto large areas of willow trees growing on its banks. (By helicopter). It's all a farce, big, fat, lie.
Some well-off Maoris around here in Wanganui!
Governance is done by voting... self appointed iwi to take self appointed roles... this is not democratic
Last I checked this is country is under the rule of the Crown ( The King of England) I don’t remember voting for him some might say that is not very democratic
@edwardwhakatihi1226 Sssshhh...you'll hurt the fragile feelings of all the cookers...😂
@@edwardwhakatihi1226
Good point... so lets get rid of the King, and at the same time get rid of Maori having a special unelected say as well... deal?
@@matthewdonoghue321 Get rid of the King you reckon , and to compensate him for any losses he may incur maybe we could offer him he a Treaty and never honour it, we could wait over a hundred years and when his successors ask about it we could just tell them that happened centuries ago and they should just suck it up
@@edwardwhakatihi1226 the year is.2024 not 1840, of course you're not voting for the king.. We should all be voting for health, education and the economy, without those we have no county.
Call it by its name - race based separatism or apartheid.
Dangerous precedent. Give an inch, and they will take a mile. Let the rate payers decide. Democracy.
The rot starts at the local level then spreads to the entire country, slavery, cooking pot and a bankrupt land is very near.
A "nuianced approach" - how here we go again - the slovely, warm and fuzzy rhetoric. The Council DOES NOT NEED to do any "community" deals - these are not with the "community" - the "community" has been conflated to be "Maori." The Council is the governance organisation - not creating another governance organisation that gives Maori 50% of the power, when they are NOT 50% of the electorate. This again, simply means that every other New Zealanders vote is halved in value, and Maori's power is doubled. The Council IS the GOVERNANCE Body. STOP this nonsense. You do not NEED another governing power in order to localise central government decisions - the COUNCIL just needs to get on with localising. NOT creating more and more expectations amongst Maori of more and more say and control and power that then when its gets wound back because of what it is - a power grab - then there is screaming, violence, angry insult hurling, like we saw in on this recent march.
So iwi making decisions for community... Isn't that undemocratic? How does the money get in the trust?
Is it rate payer money? If so that's council funding social health issues .
That's not a council scope or core function?
Does wanaganui not have any water sewage or other issues you could be Spending rate payers money on ????
Did wanganui not have a rate increase ?
These Maori rebels hate Pakeha, don't give them anything that effects us, they are spreading racism and white hate everywhere we don't need them deciding anything it will all be to ursurp us and take more, they do not deserve this status at all in fact the Treaty Chiefs warned them NOT to start political partys that's a principle. I live in Auckland whcih was made for Pakeha, it was heavily attacked by Kingis, we want somewhere we can associate with mainly Pakeha, Maori have their Maraes and land areas, we have nothing as a collective Native ethnicity
I can't believe what I heard in this video.
Firstly when he paraphrased Ken Mair... you should know that he is a lifelong radical activist who was largely responsible for the local protests in the 90's. The fact that Ken has had a hand in this is like broadcasting that Karl Marx is advising him on economics! Yes it is that bad.
Secondly if this is going to be binding on future councils then there should be a local referendum, Tripe was NOT elected to do this.
Thirdly, Tripe mentions that the public will see no difference... if so then why do it? Basic rule of government... if it's not broken don't fix it.
Fourthly the logic here is bizarre... if land is gifted to the council it is exempt from this co governance arrangement... but other public land is liable? Why?
And yes as Laws mentioned... the government has told local councils to stop this nonsense and focus on core services. If I remember correctly Tripe said that they were focusing on core services... and now he does this... Liar.
Lastly... involving Iwi on how to deal with the drug problem is going to be counterproductive. Their policy is to always blame colonialism. Which means young Maori are being taught by activists NOT to take responsibility for their own behaviour. If you extend and endorse this thinking... then the drug problem will get worse. Because the only way to get people off drugs is to get them to take responsibility for their actions.
He goes on about a “local solution for the local community”. Yet all those programs and initiatives, I would be unsurprised if 90% of Whanganui rate payers had no idea what any of them are.
Councils has gone from being run by the community for the community to being run being a bureaucracy that thinks it knows better and doesn’t give a stuff about local community input.
We need to go back to the way councils were run 30 years ago when they were run far cheaper and move efficiently with more community input rather than just input from special interest groups.
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As Laws points out the Wanganui District Council is not a signatory to the Treaty of Waitangi. It has just spent $80,000,000 on upgrading our Art Gallery. It belongs to the Wanganui Ratepayers who pay for its maintenance does it not? Why would you give away our property to a Maori Trust/Charity? Govt Departments don't pay rates do they? Why mislead us with reference of support from Police or Corrections for constructions on our old UCOL site other than as a 'red herring'? They are subject to Parliament! This is another attempt at co governance before we even get to vote on Maori seats. Another radical Council less than a year from election
simple the more you give the more they will take forever tax payers again
Of course co-governance works both ways. I'm waiting for people who aren't Maori to be invited to sit in the local iwi authority with voting right..,
As soon as someone says "trusts", all hear is place to put tax payer dollars.
What a load of tripe
ha ha, love it
Any similarity with the Lake Waikaremoana governance agreement?
Wonder when Marae will start paying rates instead of bludging again & paid for by the other rate payers.
Unless elected Maori have no rights to be automatically put on the council.
Tainui charge Auckland rate payers for water from the Waikato river & the bill todate is $24million & again NO Maori Marae in Auckland pay Council rates yet expect to get all the benefits of services provided for by the council & paid for by all other Auckland ratepayers, unbelievable rort racist & divisive.
I think Marae should be rates exempt.I see no reason why these should be subject to rates given the cultural importance and no I don't believe in Maori sovereignty for a number of reasons
There is nothing democratic about this council decision, disgraceful. Local council has no obligations under the Treaty there obligations are to ratepayers, all of them, equally
You expect us to swallow this, Tripe?
Whanganui is going to the pack.... the town centre is all Maori art and seating areas etc (likely at great cost) and as though thats some kind of draw card... more amd more shops are now food outlets with new fast food places opening pretty much weekly it seems. Parking fees and fines are through the roof for in town.
The beautiful Sarjeant Gallery got a big black box tacked on the back, designed with iwi and complete with waka etc.... new entrance.... its lost its heart and soul.
And it was at huge cost and someone recently took a photo of a big crack thats appeared in the concrete flooring in the new back end....!
I couldn't agree more, however to be fair things are only going to worse... from bad.
Here are a few examples...
The council built the Olympic size pool, except the council cut costs and made it a few meters too short for the Olympic standard.
The council built the velodrome, they made it wood and then decided to cut costs by not putting a roof on it... necessitating that it needed resurfacing.
The council built a new stadium at Cooks Gardens, however they did not install enough changing rooms so rugby teams have to change elsewhere and then get transported to the game.
The council tried an untested method to deal with human waste... most of us can remember the whole town stinking of human waste for well over a year.
The council forced every household to separate waste water from rain water... at great cost. However after they did so they found that the waste sewerage lines around town didn't have enough liquids going through them... so the council decided it was ok for them to add liquids to the lines to clear them.
Oh and you mentioned the new art gallery... somehow they did that grotesque extension... and in doing so made the library car park smaller!... a carpark which was always full whenever I visited.
The council even gets the little things wrong... at my local park their used to be a rubbish bin, when I took my kids there I would often clean up glass that had been smashed by teens. The council in its wisdom removed the only bin taking away my ability to help keep things clean.
Oh... one more...
The Museum used to have a balanced approach where their was the Maori waka downstairs and the colonial stuff upstairs. However they have removed the Zulu war shield and destroyed the replica of the stockade. Basically the activists had a field day putting a racial bias into the museum.
non elected iwi having veto power on council decisions ? there is a name for that, RACISM, what makes Maori so special, they are not indigenous, there should be a referendum on decisions like this, council do not have a mandate to do this !!
Co governance solution , if every single Maori issue from now be funded out of only Maori tax payers or rate payers funds , as giving to one without giving to others is the definition of racism and we don't want to be accused of racism now do we ? lets see how long that lasts 😂
You misspelled Wanganui. There is no "h" in Wanganui.
Depends what dialect. Someone from Ngāi Tahu would call It Wakanui
Exactly. Will never use it. Woke bs.
@@NA-sj9jy it's a language. How's someone's language woke 🤦😂
Wakanui … 😂😂😂
@@rhettcottle9013 I believe thier dialect replaces the NG sound with K. That's why we hear Kai Tahu instead of Ngāi Tahu
Goodbye Tripe!
In the end it's about making money for who ? let mw guess !
Tripe is enabling the stripping of Whanganui assets. The Sargent Gallery 'upgrade' is nothing short of cultural imperialism dressed as 'Co-governance or Iwi cooperation. Most of the funds were spent on a new warehouse style tribute to honour the memory of Te Atawhai Archie John Taiaroa. The real work on the Sargant Gallery is of 2nd concern and unfinished. I fear that funding will run out or be needed at Te Puna Hapori justice precinct before it's done.
This is all meant to wear us all down so we don't object anymore. Co-opting is not cooperation.
How about Hylton Park/Pit... gifted to the people of Whanganui, to be managed by council (why say land is gifted to council! The council is just an entity working for the people - is it not?!).... Hylton Park Ive been told has a Maori Trust managing it who make revenue from pine planting. The mountain bike club have the use for tracks.
And whoever does the pines sprayed massive amounts of round up by helicopter within 200 metres of residential housing and over a body of water.... enough to kill a whole stand of punga around the waters edge and 30 to 40 foot pine trees!
The question is..." how does having unelected Maoris on the board lead to better decisions..HOW"
My vote is always going to go towards a government that does not use ethnicity as a measure of any type of decision making.
Might Not agree with Trippes policy's but his 21st birthday party was outstanding!!
Myself and family will not be voting for Andrew next time around... Fool us once ....
He got in because the people of Wanganui felt he had the concerns of our people at heart. Not just the few loud-mouth he is trying soooo hard to appease now. Totally spineless!!!
Leave him alone
It’s just a gravy train that has no end .
Michael Laws, interested in moving back here?
Please!
load of tripe!
So 50% of funding for park maintenance is done by iwi😂
If they want to play this game. (Local iwi) what about the original tribes voice?? Tribes invaded by a more aggressive Iwi, who lost their lands through warfare and enslaved. Do they get claims to their traditional lands? Ngāi Tahu now has majority of the South Island.. But they’re from Gisbourne area originally. Ngati Toa conquered area around central NZ, they’re from the Waikato. Just to name a few of many examples. But I guess there’s no profit in that debate!
What's also really relevant is the fact that the Taiwanese traveled down through the Cook Islands picking up the language and some dna in their stay there then evicted and ended up in New Zealand where they annihilated and assimilated the peaceful people already here. People who were near identical to the Aboriginal Australians from the area that is now Sydney. There are written records and photographic evidence.
The Taiwanese were head hunters and the Cook Islanders practiced cannibalism both of which continued in New Zealand (kaitangata)
They took the best looking women as wives from what they considered a very ugly people and even had a term for "black fellas". Even though the Moriori and Maori share dna I suspect the peaceful nature of the Moriori is a continuation from being those first people.
Maori don't know whats best for them
They will soon enough, when they start to get ignored, rejected, fired, trespassed, banned, service denied, evicted etc. That's their future in this country, because The Maori Party Outliers can't control themselves.
Michael you failed to ask the crucial questions which are "Why should Maori be involved in the running of the council? Where is the mandate for this? Why are not the Chinese, and Japanese or other cultures not involved in running councils? Why have Maori been singled out as special? What unique knowledge or contribution do they bring that no one else can bring?"
This was not your best interview Michael.
Not nice people the Tripes.
Wangavegas.
My tipuna signed He Whakaputanga (Declaration of Independence) 28.10.1835 and Te Tiriti 17.2.1840. Pōmare believed he had not given up any sovereignty and stated that he was not able to in any case, as it belonged to all of his iwi.
What do you want then.Please be specific.I would like to hear your side on government, health,education,welfare,trade,taxation..go ahead I will wait
@@lockk132 Co-governance rather than separate governments ensures government laws meet matauranga lessons learnt from the past and ecological criteria that affect all New Zealanders. Just like laws are dealt with now, they need to be case by case. What is good for Māori is good for all New Zealanders.
@@djpomare what's good for all New Zealanders is good for Maori.
Stable economic management, secure property rights, national defence and collective security, free and open trade, equality of opportunity, prevention of discrimination, free speech, assembly, conscience.
Sounds like Maori enjoy considerable collective public goods. How is that a problem?
@@mxvega1097 You quote generalised concepts common across the world. They weren't invented by the Crown. Good one bro.
@djpomare yes ,but that isn't what many Maori are after and it's not treaty compatible .Apart from the northerntribes with their declaration, there is no clause or anything resembling as such for a pan Maori movement, government or co governance. There are simply hundreds of signatures representing hundreds of separate tribes.
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Wonder when Marae will start paying rates instead of bludging again & paid for by the other rate payers.
Unless elected Maori have no rights to be automatically put on the council.
Tainui charge Auckland rate payers for water from the Waikato river & the bill todate is $24million & again NO Maori Marae in Auckland pay Council rates yet expect to get all the benefits of services provided for by the council & paid for by all other Auckland ratepayers, unbelievable rort racist & divisive.