Might be an unpopular take, but I really don't like the direction they're taking Palpatine, especially in the Darth Vader 2020 comic. In the previous 2017 comic, Palpatine still showed respect to vader and it was implied he wasn't that much more powerful. But now, with the introduction to Exegol, he is potrayed as a god and almost nothing of consequence matters to him.
Exactly. Sidious is a masterful duelist and in force power. But should not be invincible. Very few should be able to beats Palps. Also like how vulnerable they made Palps in RoTS. He is a master planner...but cant determine every avenue. Him losing to Mace proves that and how scared he was. Plus its possible with enough time Yoda couldve beat Palps.
I just wish we got George’s version. Also theory idea, what if obi wan was told he can’t train anakin and instead left the order and took anakin with him to train
it would have been just as hated by the fandom considering by the early 2000s the EU (legends) was already beloved by fans and georges seauels would have contradicted them.
Yo that’s a really interesting theory man! I hope he used this idea for a vid I’d definitely watch that. If he doesn’t you should pull a Thanos and do it yourself 😂
One that wasn't mentioned that I personally love is when Palpatine goes nuts and slaughters the Lylek on Ryloth. Vader was fighting alongside him, just trying to stay alive, but his master was having a freaking ball, crackling with laughter and unleashing his full prowess with a lightsaber as he cut the most dangerous beasts on Ryloth down, including a Queen Lylek.
Honorable mention, Lord's of the Sith book where Palpatine slaughtered that entire village on Felucia(sp?) after one of the villagers found out he was force sensitive.
Thank you for covering this so much. I don’t have much of the legends. So your videos fill in the gaps. I just love Legends Luke and Leia. I love their children. Disney effed up by not allowing Luke to marry and have his own children. In Disney, unless they decide to later have the healing produce a force baby of Ben and Rey, the actual Skywalker bloodline is gone.
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Yeah. I concur. After that story arc I could never think of a believable way D.V. could take "Ol' Grizzle". Before, he at least stood a chance and given more time I think there WAS a chance. Yes, the Palps was the ultimate strategist, but Vader was always bettering himself always looking for an edge and that kept him ravenous. Compared to Palpatine, Vader doesn't get the credit for his OWN cunning and smarts. I think Vader would have eventually found a way to nullify his mechanical weaknesses (i.e the force lightning and any mobility issues) Vader overcomes EVERYTHING thrown at him; that's why he's by far the most fascinating character in the whole of Star Wars. Making Palpatine "unbeatable" takes away Vader's only reason to live and thus kills what makes him fascinating. \m/
I agree it was writ that way on purpose so that the weaker protag can win just like how Luke stood no chance against palpatine so to destroy him Vader blind sided him and threw him off cliff
@@ARG0T technically every character that isn't made by the original person is technically a fan character even if they are official since people who work on star wars like Dave filoni and such are "fans" of star wars
I am a zookeeper in chicago and I regularly feed the hippos day old sausages so they have a taste of their home. I put strings on the sausages and swing them around the hippos they get so mad at me and scream but it's an obsession sometimes the hippos try and break out of their cages but I keep swinging those hotdogs in wide circles over their heads. Luckily my boss doesn't know I do this or my coworkers
Hey SW Theory, I don't know if you remember this one scene but it's from the book Lord's of the Sith. Where Cham Syndulla and his band of rebels try to assassinate Palpatine and Vader when they arrive on Ryloth, correct me if I'm wrong though I believe some Imperials were involved in the plan as well.
Do a video on all the different throne rooms he has on Coruscant, they keep contradicting themselves 😂 he probably has like 20 different thrones in case he gets a bomb threat.
I think back in the old days of early EU material they got a bit too carried away with Luke's power. In that regard, I prefer the approach Filoni and Favreau chose, cause Luke didn't have that much formal training so he is supposed to looks a bit less fancy. He's supposed to SLOWLY learn thing by reading and listen to holocroms and such. Like, the end of Mando S2 was perfect: he's very skillful, but he's more pragmatic than the Jedi of the republic cause, well, he has to be; he's pretty much the last jedi (let's not mention the movie) so it makes sense. Of course, it will be all for naught cause... yeah, epVIII
It’s important to note though, that the EU isn’t a monolith. While Tom Veitch got carried away in Dark Empire, Timothy Zahn portrayed a much more grounded Luke who was far less powerful chronologically just a year before in the Thrawn Trilogy, of which Filoni and Favreau have been taking inspiration from. Luke was in the same way, less fancy and arguably even less powerful than Mando Luke had been (depends on how strong the Darktroopers really are). When Zahn came back to do the Hand of Thrawn, he addressed the big power up as Luke unconsciously tapping into the dark side. In part because of being far inferior to the dark Jedi Joruus C’baoth (a clone of a Jedi master) and his brief apprenticeship with Palpatine. He dialed back Luke’s use of his power while also making him to be more aware of his senses, visions and more subtle uses of the Force instead. Then the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the galaxy and the Jedi needed to be as strong as they could be to save it. This, his talent as the son of the Chosen One, all the experience and knowledge he accumulated in decades and the Dark Side cloud Sidious and Plagueis made no longer limiting the Light are why he became so powerful in the EU. As Obi-Wan told him in their final encounter, Luke was not the Last of the Old Jedi, but the First of the New, the New Jedi Order. That’s one of the many reasons he’ll always be the definitive version of Luke.
Love the vid as always. I Was curious if you ever plan to do a collection video? I know we see bits of your collection, but I’d love to see it all in one video!
I wonder how different the time after return of the Jedi would’ve been if vader didn’t die? That’d be a crazy what if idea lol. To me he’d probably go back to be with Luke on the rebellion, and possibly become a gray Jedi. That’d be kinda cool.
I wonder if it is true that Matt Smith was suppose to play a younger version of Palpatine in Episode IX, but it was cut because Disney (and especially KK) doesn't know SW.
If they are going to do a Palpatine series, this is the time period to do it in. However I'm not sure anyone other than Ian McDiarmid could properly play the character.
Love your channel been here since like 50k but man what happen to linking the old videos your are referring to in the description? It really helps when you wanna watch the old videos again or catch them for the first time. Anyway love the channel bro glad to see you’re doing so well.
The last couple entries gave me idea. Make another list comprised of times someone attempted to assassinate and/or overthrow Palpatine. I know for a fact that both canon and legends have plenty of stories where either a member of the rebellion, or an imperial who thinks they can do it better, tried to do one of those things (on screen fights with a Jedi or Sith, events where Palpatine paid someone to PRETEND to do that, or Vader trying to train an apprentice probably shouldn't count).
After really doing a lot of research on the sequel trilogy in relation to Palpatine… Imagine if Snoke was Siddious’ consciousness transferred to Snoke before he died!!! Then Johnson kills the character of Snoke off!!! 🤣🤣 OMG what a train wreck!
Think of it of they would start with the path of destruction up til shown in Phantom menace Palps would be cool to show but yeah he was a very wicked being .. . Thanks for showing these variants of him
video idea, in the kenobi episode six fight between obi wan and vader, you can see obi wan use anikans signatures lightsaber spin behind the back several times. could of obi wan actully of taught this to anakin, or did obi wan learn from hi aprentice and use his own move against him. im not your closest watcher so ill feel like an idiot if u have already made a video on this, but i am certaintly the biggest star wars fan.
Instead, all we got is Mary Sue ( no training, no character, horribly written ) defeating the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy in the most stupidest way ever. "I am all the Sith." "And I....am all the Jedi." What an absolute joke. Not only those lines are laughably bad, but it's a total rip off of Avengers Endgame. "I am Inevitable." "And I...am...Iron Man."
Was palpatine worried during his rescue? I mean anakin almost fought with griveous, he broke a window that almost kill everybody and at the end they were flying with half a ship.
Rey Nobody and dollar store Darth Caedus would never have stood a chance against Palpatine. Never mind a fully powered younger Palpatine with a younger body. Anakin's force ghost should have intervened and fought Palpatine in a titanic battle of the spiritual plane. The chosen one overcoming the Sithaari and banishing him to chaos once and for all.
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Disney 'Star Wars' is a lost cause. Star Wars Legends (real Star Wars) is the true story and Luke is now One with the Force alongside his wife and son and family and friends
There's no hope for Disney Star Wars Movies & Shows for example the Obi Wan Kenobi show was Childish & boring my review is 3/10 But the old Star wars movies & comics were much better tbh it's the truth!
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Might be an unpopular take, but I really don't like the direction they're taking Palpatine, especially in the Darth Vader 2020 comic. In the previous 2017 comic, Palpatine still showed respect to vader and it was implied he wasn't that much more powerful. But now, with the introduction to Exegol, he is potrayed as a god and almost nothing of consequence matters to him.
Palpatine is supposed to be a god compared to vader…
Exactly. Sidious is a masterful duelist and in force power. But should not be invincible. Very few should be able to beats Palps.
Also like how vulnerable they made Palps in RoTS. He is a master planner...but cant determine every avenue. Him losing to Mace proves that and how scared he was. Plus its possible with enough time Yoda couldve beat Palps.
@The Second Son’s obi wan is space jesus not anakin.
@The Second Son’s Yeah full potential anakin is Jesus but what makes Vader so tragic is that he’s powerless against sidious and Is his slave
@@grievous8475 no he isn’t
Palpatine is so underrated in the movies, he's much more powerful. Even in the book Plagueis, he's already doing some interesting stuff.
More like he’s overdone way too many times
bro was sucking up rebel fleats with force storm in dark emp
The book Palpatine is one of my favorite star wars novels
And Palps was introduced as the true alpha in ROTJ so he needs to be portrayed as extremely powerful
I love that book
I'd love to see Ian McDermid return in a Palpatine series. It was great seeing him in Kenobi but I want more!
He’s almost 80 lmao
No. Disney will ruin Palpatine even more if they decide to make a series on him.
@@jebbush2527 Harrison ford? Indianan jones?
@@jebbush2527 it could be set after the events of rots or kenobi
I just wish we got George’s version. Also theory idea, what if obi wan was told he can’t train anakin and instead left the order and took anakin with him to train
it would have been just as hated by the fandom considering by the early 2000s the EU (legends) was already beloved by fans and georges seauels would have contradicted them.
@@Ahzuv you don’t know how it would have gone any more than we do. Anything is better than Disney right now though
Yo that’s a really interesting theory man! I hope he used this idea for a vid I’d definitely watch that. If he doesn’t you should pull a Thanos and do it yourself 😂
One that wasn't mentioned that I personally love is when Palpatine goes nuts and slaughters the Lylek on Ryloth. Vader was fighting alongside him, just trying to stay alive, but his master was having a freaking ball, crackling with laughter and unleashing his full prowess with a lightsaber as he cut the most dangerous beasts on Ryloth down, including a Queen Lylek.
Honorable mention, Lord's of the Sith book where Palpatine slaughtered that entire village on Felucia(sp?) after one of the villagers found out he was force sensitive.
Pretty sure he ordered Vader to do the slaughtering IIRC
Thank you for covering this so much. I don’t have much of the legends. So your videos fill in the gaps. I just love Legends Luke and Leia. I love their children. Disney effed up by not allowing Luke to marry and have his own children. In Disney, unless they decide to later have the healing produce a force baby of Ben and Rey, the actual Skywalker bloodline is gone.
I love Palpatine, one of my favorite characters. Such a deep character, and one I really feel was well rounded.
❤️ your daily content. Put my other SW nerdy friends on your Vader video. Proud to see how much your powers have grown over the years. We'll be watching your rise with great interest 🙂
Yeah. I concur. After that story arc I could never think of a believable way D.V. could take "Ol' Grizzle". Before, he at least stood a chance and given more time I think there WAS a chance. Yes, the Palps was the ultimate strategist, but Vader was always bettering himself always looking for an edge and that kept him ravenous. Compared to Palpatine, Vader doesn't get the credit for his OWN cunning and smarts. I think Vader would have eventually found a way to nullify his mechanical weaknesses (i.e the force lightning and any mobility issues) Vader overcomes EVERYTHING thrown at him; that's why he's by far the most fascinating character in the whole of Star Wars. Making Palpatine "unbeatable" takes away Vader's only reason to live and thus kills what makes him fascinating. \m/
I having a feeling Palpatine would have won against Rey if he didn't use force lighting
I agree it was writ that way on purpose so that the weaker protag can win just like how Luke stood no chance against palpatine so to destroy him Vader blind sided him and threw him off cliff
Who is Rey? You mean that fanfic character?
@@ARG0T technically every character that isn't made by the original person is technically a fan character even if they are official since people who work on star wars like Dave filoni and such are "fans" of star wars
The Legend's Prison fight with Darth Sidious fryed ⚡Those people Awesome video General Theory 🤘
I grew up thinking Vader was strong and he is but when I was introduced to Palpatine I finally realized the power of the force!
Do it!!
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Hey SW Theory, I don't know if you remember this one scene but it's from the book Lord's of the Sith. Where Cham Syndulla and his band of rebels try to assassinate Palpatine and Vader when they arrive on Ryloth, correct me if I'm wrong though I believe some Imperials were involved in the plan as well.
Do a video on all the different throne rooms he has on Coruscant, they keep contradicting themselves 😂 he probably has like 20 different thrones in case he gets a bomb threat.
Love your content! especially the theorys🤩
Awesome vids again I love ur research and you know how to do it
I think back in the old days of early EU material they got a bit too carried away with Luke's power. In that regard, I prefer the approach Filoni and Favreau chose, cause Luke didn't have that much formal training so he is supposed to looks a bit less fancy. He's supposed to SLOWLY learn thing by reading and listen to holocroms and such. Like, the end of Mando S2 was perfect: he's very skillful, but he's more pragmatic than the Jedi of the republic cause, well, he has to be; he's pretty much the last jedi (let's not mention the movie) so it makes sense. Of course, it will be all for naught cause... yeah, epVIII
It’s important to note though, that the EU isn’t a monolith. While Tom Veitch got carried away in Dark Empire, Timothy Zahn portrayed a much more grounded Luke who was far less powerful chronologically just a year before in the Thrawn Trilogy, of which Filoni and Favreau have been taking inspiration from. Luke was in the same way, less fancy and arguably even less powerful than Mando Luke had been (depends on how strong the Darktroopers really are).
When Zahn came back to do the Hand of Thrawn, he addressed the big power up as Luke unconsciously tapping into the dark side. In part because of being far inferior to the dark Jedi Joruus C’baoth (a clone of a Jedi master) and his brief apprenticeship with Palpatine. He dialed back Luke’s use of his power while also making him to be more aware of his senses, visions and more subtle uses of the Force instead.
Then the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the galaxy and the Jedi needed to be as strong as they could be to save it. This, his talent as the son of the Chosen One, all the experience and knowledge he accumulated in decades and the Dark Side cloud Sidious and Plagueis made no longer limiting the Light are why he became so powerful in the EU. As Obi-Wan told him in their final encounter, Luke was not the Last of the Old Jedi, but the First of the New, the New Jedi Order. That’s one of the many reasons he’ll always be the definitive version of Luke.
I really wish we would've saw a lightsaber duel between Sidious and Ben/Rey in ROS. Huge missed opportunity.
Love having these kinds of videos back
Love the vid as always. I Was curious if you ever plan to do a collection video? I know we see bits of your collection, but I’d love to see it all in one video!
I just started getting back into the legend stories, and it is awesome.
I wonder how different the time after return of the Jedi would’ve been if vader didn’t die? That’d be a crazy what if idea lol. To me he’d probably go back to be with Luke on the rebellion, and possibly become a gray Jedi. That’d be kinda cool.
Theory made a video on that
I wonder if it is true that Matt Smith was suppose to play a younger version of Palpatine in Episode IX, but it was cut because Disney (and especially KK) doesn't know SW.
Dr who as palpatine? I would like to see that.
I want to see a Star Wars series with a young Palpatine in training exploring in depth lore of the Sith Order set before Episode I.
If they are going to do a Palpatine series, this is the time period to do it in. However I'm not sure anyone other than Ian McDiarmid could properly play the character.
Love your channel been here since like 50k but man what happen to linking the old videos your are referring to in the description? It really helps when you wanna watch the old videos again or catch them for the first time. Anyway love the channel bro glad to see you’re doing so well.
The last couple entries gave me idea. Make another list comprised of times someone attempted to assassinate and/or overthrow Palpatine. I know for a fact that both canon and legends have plenty of stories where either a member of the rebellion, or an imperial who thinks they can do it better, tried to do one of those things (on screen fights with a Jedi or Sith, events where Palpatine paid someone to PRETEND to do that, or Vader trying to train an apprentice probably shouldn't count).
awesome video also what is the music at the beginning i cant find it anywhere
It's always great to see Palps flexing his power.
They say that, Old Is Gold!
I love Lord's of the Sith it truly shows how powerful and badass the Emperor is
As always just awesome I can't keep up but love it
Great channel
Love this as palpatines my favourite character I have his legacy saber
I want to know more about Palpatine before episode 1
After really doing a lot of research on the sequel trilogy in relation to Palpatine… Imagine if Snoke was Siddious’ consciousness transferred to Snoke before he died!!! Then Johnson kills the character of Snoke off!!! 🤣🤣 OMG what a train wreck!
I think Starkiller came closer than anyone else to defeating Sidious in single combat.
Think of it of they would start with the path of destruction up til shown in Phantom menace Palps would be cool to show but yeah he was a very wicked being .. . Thanks for showing these variants of him
That is a classic thumbnail.
video idea, in the kenobi episode six fight between obi wan and vader, you can see obi wan use anikans signatures lightsaber spin behind the back several times. could of obi wan actully of taught this to anakin, or did obi wan learn from hi aprentice and use his own move against him. im not your closest watcher so ill feel like an idiot if u have already made a video on this, but i am certaintly the biggest star wars fan.
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Another cue happened during the old tie fighter game. Also I'm surprised you left out the fight at the end of force unleashed
Any opinions on how different the timeline would have been if Palpatine was a Jedi & on the Light Side of the Force?
i still have this book and yeah much better story then what we got with the sequels but that's just my opinion.
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Sidious and Vader ambushed in ryloth fighting their way out standing back to back deserves a mention. Lords of the sith novel (canon)
Would you ever go over Project Blackwing and the Red Harvest/Death Troopers books?
could you do a video on darth malgus or the twins from old republic?
Ya those were the hay days of the EU, almost everything kicked ass
Palpatines biggest fight was saying i take it General Grievous has been destroyed then I’m must say your here sooner than expected
Matt Smith as Clone Palpatine.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up his fight with Galen Marek AKA Starkiller.
Moral of these stories, don’t mess with an all-powerful galactic emperor.
Tjay legends stuff is as legit as fan fiction. Well the stuff that contradicts the new canon
Can you make if anakin mother was a jedi and trained anakin to a grandmaster
They are together but palps and vader in Lord's of the Sith is good stuff as well
Always liked ‘Ol Sidious
Interesting!
let's go, another vid!
Luke being so op is like hulk fanboys saying oh he can hold planets together etc lol like its so far fetched
I still feel like we were robbed of Matt Smith Palps in the ST
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Man I wish we got this in the sequel trilogy 🙃🤦🏼♂️
Instead, all we got is Mary Sue ( no training, no character, horribly written ) defeating the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy in the most stupidest way ever.
"I am all the Sith."
"And I....am all the Jedi."
What an absolute joke. Not only those lines are laughably bad, but it's a total rip off of Avengers Endgame.
"I am Inevitable."
"And I...am...Iron Man."
@@dereklopez9060 Two shitty franchises circlejerking one another
I know Palpatine & Vader are meant to be the eternal bogey man, but they are way OP & it spoils any enjoyment I might have the the stories.
Love these videos man, I’ve been watching for years !
My little green friend....
Wasn’t there one where Palpatine fought off an entire nest of giant insects with his lightsaber
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Palpatine vs Galen Marek
Was palpatine worried during his rescue? I mean anakin almost fought with griveous, he broke a window that almost kill everybody and at the end they were flying with half a ship.
Palpatine vs Starkiller ps2 and Dark Empire Palpatine vs Luke for the win!!!
Rey Nobody and dollar store Darth Caedus would never have stood a chance against Palpatine. Never mind a fully powered younger Palpatine with a younger body. Anakin's force ghost should have intervened and fought Palpatine in a titanic battle of the spiritual plane. The chosen one overcoming the Sithaari and banishing him to chaos once and for all.
What about Starkiller?
Who cares if they’re not shown in live action. disney needs to focus all its attention on expanding the prequel scene based on the expanded universe.
What about palpatine vs vader episode 6?!
Great!
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THEORY -- What if Kenobi killed Vader in Obi-Wan E.6
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We do not speak of the battle with Rey Palpatine in tros
The final battle in TROS was a complete joke smh.
Really shows how stupid Disney are. They had ALL THIS and instead made a directionless trilogy.
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Man! The coloring for that Dark Horse comic(s) was terrible!! \m/
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There's no hope for Disney Star Wars Movies & Shows for example the Obi Wan Kenobi show was Childish & boring my review is 3/10
But the old Star wars movies & comics were much better tbh it's the truth!
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