Steam Deck Reality Check
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
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The Steam Deck is a highly anticipated handheld gaming machine made by Valve. The Deck runs Linux, and as a Linux gamer, I feel like I should share my thoughts on it and tell you why I think that it is very likely for the Steam Deck to flop.
“Steam deck is a potato pc.”
My 400$ pc unable to run mspaint: ok.
They literally showed it playing Doom Eternal, Death Stranding, and Devil May Cry 5 at 720p 60fps.
The Deck is approximately as performant as a PS4 or Xbox One Slim, but with the benefit of RDNA 2 features. Most of all the target resolution is 720p/800p, easily achievable for most AAA games since most are made to run on the PS4/XB1 anyway.
I understand being skeptical but you are being very pessimistic with no real data to back it up, especially since we've already seen what it is capable of.
+ We have all the performance data from the Aya Neo, and GPD Win 3, which all preform pretty well quite frankly.
Valve knows this and that's why Deck Verified is a thing.
Very pessimistic, 100% games should be click and play on deck. I know a lot of people are freaking out over the new linus vid, where many of the "gold rated" games on proton were messy, and thought to themselves "wow, I or most gamers don't wanna fiddle around for an hour trying to get a game working". But you gotta understand theres like 1000 different linux Distros, something that works on proton with popOS might not work with Manjaro, with deck however, it's all one toolset, one driver set, same hardware, all they have to focus on is SteamOS instead of Linux as a whole, it's identical to how consoles work in the console gaming world. As for anticheat on deck, I'm sure it'll be soon, perhaps shortly after launch but not long, since EAC and battle-eye work on linux, alot of devs have allowed it to work on linux in their games already like gary (dev of rust) etc. I'm sure once this starts selling devs will impliment it, as far as i've heard, with something like battle-eye its as simple as sending an email, theres simply no reason not too, they dont even have to work on updates for linux, crash reports, or bugs in general, just let proton handle that or the community doing their own fixes when problems like that arise. You mentioned about how we could only dream about playing siege on linux, but seige does work on linux, however whilst yes the online play isn't possible at the moment with terrorist hunt and other things only being avaliable, I think it goes to show we won't have to dream long.
I think you're excessively pessimistic about the Steam Deck, you wildly underestimate the appeal of it and how smooth the experience of gaming on it is. All reports so far point to it being a shockingly competent handheld gaming PC, with most people proclaiming that they're surprised at how much "it just works."
You say that it's too expensive, but have you seen the cost of current hardware, including scalped consoles? A Series X or PS5 often goes for $700, a 6800 XT goes for $1,400 and the best deal I've seen on a GPU lately is a 6600 XT 8GB for $450, which sold out in minutes.
Don't compare the Steam Deck to the 6800 XT, that's goofy. Compare it to the Xbox Series S. XSS has 20 CUs at 1.55GHz, and I believe the Steam Deck has 12 CUs at a similar clock speed. XSS plays most games at 1080p 60FPS with headroom, even plays some games like Scarlet Nexus at 1440p 60FPS. The Steam Deck targets around half the resolution. Half the CPU cores, basically same architecture and similar clock speeds, and we can infer it'll play the overwhelming majority of games at 1280x800 at 60FPS or 30FPS. FSR will help for some terribly optimized games or more high-end games coming out in the next couple years, but I think games that require ray tracing might be the biggest limiter; I'm sure those would require 640x480 or even be completely unplayable.
Steam Deck is gonna be great. It's already doing really well on pre-orders. I expect very few refunds, and I think a chunk of the userbase will dual-boot Windows, like me. I'm all for giving Linux a go, but you can do basically whatever you want with the hardware.
I was thinking the same thing. It's truly an unfair comparison. Also it will be able to run AAA games released recently at 60fps as long as they are somewhat optimized.
Obviously he has some points which are true but is exaggerating them to get views. It doesn’t seem to me like people are expecting to play coming AAA titles at 60 fps when reading the subreddit and Valve hasn’t marketed it that way. So why would anyone believe it? Just a made up theory.
There's footage from a Chinese news outlet showing Cyberpunk running at around 20-30 FPS on high presets at 800p on the Steam Deck.
You believe anything coming from China? Chinese News Outlet???? Lmfao
@@googlegoogle9712 What would they get by lying
@@IAm-zo1bo I mean nothing but I just associate China with fake shit. I don’t even trust American news let alone Chinese.
@@googlegoogle9712 it wasn't news, more like leaked footage from a manufacturer. The best tech leaks come from China.
@@googlegoogle9712 Hmm.... That sounds like a you problem tbh
Oh no it's less powerful, not like it's portable or anything
That's like looking at a laptop and saying "wow this thing sucks such bad specs"
As a dev, targetting the steam deck is about to make a lot of sense though. It has a baseline spec and has already sold out for now, meaning it has a market and I've a clear target for "MVP". I'm not gonna program for all Linux distros, I'm gonna target the Deck so it works on that specific Linux Distro that has drivers, software support and more uniform hardware than Windows, and let the tech savvy users on other linux distros deal with their own perticular choices. If you look at targetting the Deck specifically, it's more like developing for a console with an open source OS.
Even if I don't see massive success on the Steam Deck, my game will work on basically any PC above potato level and I can still sell to the 50+ million other players on steam.
If I can play more than what I can on the crappy Switch then that's a win.
But who realistically thought they would be able to play really graphicly demanding games on it in the first place?
There are going to be a lot of people out there trying to run CP 2077 or Metro Exodus on the deck, but with low settings and FSR you should get a stable 30 fps in those. In the video, I was warning against people trying to "dock" their deck like they would a Nintendo Switch because it would require running games at a higher resolution, leading to terrible performance. I also wanted to note that the deck's hardware will not be able to run AAA games released 2 years from now because PC games get more and more demanding each year. You would probably have to upgrade to a newer deck model every 2 years to be able to run the latest and greatest games, and the majority of people play AAA games a lot more than those less demanding indie games.
@@doompenguin7453 I plan on using my deck to stream from my desktop when docked.
All of the console kids talking about it
Whats awesome about it is that I will be able to log into my steam account and play whatever i have. Yes it wont be able to run Cyberpunk, but ill be able to play other games with it. there is a video of someone playing DMC 5 on a steam deck and it runs pretty smoothly
Yeah, you have to be realistic about what you want the deck to do. Playing games like DMC5, DOOM Eternal, RE2, etc. at 30fps is perfectly realistic. Trying to play every big AAA game on the minute it releases at 60fps is not realistic, but many people will try to do that and get mad when their games don't run or run poorly on the 15W APU the deck has.
I'm most hyped about playing some GOG Falcom JRPGs like the Ys series, Tokyo Xanadu and Xanadu Next, plus the whole Legend of Heroes series. Will also play loads of Steam JRPGs like Tales of Arise well.
Steam Deck having 1/9th the compute units of the 6800 XT is totally fine, even at much lower clock speeds. I use a 6800 XT at and play the majority of games at 1440p 170FPS, generally without framerate dips and at max settings.
I fully expect titles like Elden Ring, Sekiro and Tales of Arise to run at native 1280x800 at 60FPS or 30FPS, without requiring FSR, and of course I would expect a poorly optimized title like Cyberpunk 2077 to force me to stick with 30FPS or maybe even drop internal render res with FSR.
I'm going to be dual-booting on my Steam Deck, may use two different SD cards on it. I'm fine with the system having kinks that Valve gradually works out, and I'm totally fine with doing lotsa work on my end to get it to work well. I've wanted a system like the Steam Deck since I was a small child.
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Linus Tech Tips played Doom Eternal on Deck , and it performed really well.
55 fps, with native 720p resolution and and Medium settings, against Aya Neo, 35 fps, same settings.
Say, drop settings to Low, enable dynamic resolution, and it will probably hit 60 fps on Super Gore Nest.
Yeah, other AAA games probably won't perform that well, but I stay optimistic.
And even if it won't be able to run big games, it's still great for indie games like Isaac, Celeste or Dusk.
They are less likely to crash because of Proton shenanigans. And they are sold for less money on Steam than on Nintendo eShop.
@@aywee26 I am more concerned about AAA games that will come out in the future. The ones currently out on the market should be playable at at least 30fps using FSR, but I don't think the latest and greatest AAA games released 2 years from now would be playable at all.
@@doompenguin7453 " you'll be playing games at 30FPS on low settings at 400p" hahahahah holy shit man.
Bruh all that matters is if it's good value 400 dollars for a tiny ps4 equivalent that can run Linux and Windows with a 1200x800 screen seems pretty good value to me and not everyone can afford anything better, in fact there aren't that many handhelds more powerful than that
Steam Deck for normies? Nope, you totally missed the demographic for which this is made for. This is made for middle aged to older Steam gamers that had to fiddle with their pcs all their lives. As for AAA multiplayer games I agree they are not made for a handheld PC. Steam Deck is more or less for single player/co op games with friends. Its a perfect little PC for all the games that launched until recently.
Also don’t see it for “normies”. You sell it to WalMart and Dollar General for that. This thing you can only get on Steam right now.
You opened my eyes quite a bit, but I, unlike 99.99% of gamers don't care much for AAA titles or playing competitively.
And if I game comes out I do want to play that the Deck can't handle, I'll play it on my desktop or my PS5.
My wife, kids and I love our Switch, my wife and I just want a more adult version of it.
Steam offers a lot more "games" that adults can play and being able to play those playing in bed comfortably is a win.
We're super excited to get ours.
adult games for adult console lol
I'm the same as you. It's not a competitive based console. And it isn't trying to compete with the Xbox or ps5. It's bringing pc to handheld. This video keeps going on about the deck being a bad pc and low hardware. It's the complete opposite.
I'm the same way! I've wanted the offerings of the switch's hardware but I love my current game library. For the same price, I can play almost all of my old steam games and more on the go.
omg Don't look at nintendo products as things for kids, we need to stop with that mindset
@@IAm-zo1bo 👍
You are right to judge it compared to a desktop or laptop, but judging it against a top of the line system isn't very useful for many people.
Maybe compare it to what the Steam Survey shows as the most common parts?
The idea was that the 6800 XT runs on the same architecture, and there are plenty of benchmarks of that GPU, so if you want to estimate the performance of the deck's GPU, just take the 6800 XT's performance at that resolution and divide by 13. This will be a good approximation only because the architecture is the same. Comparing compute performance doesn't really give you an accurate estimate of gaming performance if you compare GPUs of a different architecture. I hope this makes sense.
@@doompenguin7453 I'm not sure if taking the 6800 and dividing by the number of cores in the comparison target really works. For one, graphics hardware doesn't always scale linearly, even within the same graphics core. For another, a lot more goes into a graphics card than just the stream processors/graphics cores/ray tracing cores. There's also memory speed, bus width, clock speed and voltage to consider, along with others. The 6800 is probably one of the worst points of comparison possible without leaving the realm of AMD's hardware. A better comparison would've been devices that work within similar thermal and battery envelopes to what we expect on the Steam Deck -- other integrated graphics processors, and *maybe* low end dedicated graphics like the Nvidia MX chips.
And I already manage to run plenty of (modern) games even on my thin and light laptop with merely an 1165G7 from Intel -- a 4 core 8 thread chip with lower IPC and worse graphics than what we expect from the Steam Deck. At 1080p. Often higher than 30FPS, and sometimes pushing 50 or 60. There's no reason to expect Steam Decks to be able to run big marquee releases at 1080/60 on max settings, but conversely, there's no reason to expect that the majority of my Steam library won't be able to enjoy more than playable framerates at 800p on a Steam Deck. Yes, I may need to turn some settings down, but at that resolution and screen size, does it matter that much?
What we can say, with certainty, is that the RDNA2 cores in the APU the Deck is using will be considerably faster than the Vega graphics in previous APUs that we find in the current crop of PC handhelds (AYA, OneX, GPD), which are already able to run a ton of games at playable or better framerates. We can also axiomatically say that it will be better than any graphics hardware paired up with massively slower memory like DDR4 (some low end Nvidia hardware like the GT 1030), old core designs with low IPC, and other alternative graphics technologies currently available in similar packages (like Intel Xe, PowerVR cores on mobile chips, etc). Quad channel opens up a lot of memory bandwidth that most laptops with iGPUs don't have access to, and add to that a much faster core than the Ryzen 5000 series' Vega and you have something that should be surprisingly powerful within its class.
It's bs when you say it's too expensive. You've seen the Aya Neo? That is a thousand of higher
You're too harsh on it, someone needs to push linux and push more freedom in technology. It will say which games will work or not work, normies should be able to see that.
I’m hoping to play most games in my backlog from the PS4/Xbox one generation on my deck at 30fps, I already have a decent desktop so I’m gonna play the new releases on there as well as multiplayer games. I think a lot of people are getting a little carried away with what they think the steam deck will be able to do, hopefully people won’t be too disappointed with the final product, I’m just trying to stay realistic with it :)
You will have no problem running anything a ps4 or xbox one can handle.
The steam deck should equal or slightly surpass the ps4 pro in performance given its current gen architecture. That can run cyberpunk @ a steady 30fps at a dynamic 1088p dropping to 972 at its lowest.
If your expectations arent absurdly high, you will see an improvement all around. Even on a big screen tv at 1080p.
People are spoiled to horrible games with a pretty coat of paint. I’m on deck to play classics like oblivion etc.
@@johnfrankster3244 the steam deck will not even run cyberpunk at 720@30fps lmao
@@impersonator4439 Mate it runs between 20-30 on HIGH settings lol. so please grow yourself a brain before posting such dumb comments.
The only real issue here is Linux support. Nobody I’ve spoken with who’s buying one of these cares about AAA. The interest is in playing casual games (like switch games) that have been sitting unplayed in our libraries. As a PC gamer, there’s no way I’m paying Nintendo prices for a garden wall environment on proprietary hardware. Steam deck is an opportunity to play things I’ve already paid for in a casual way away from my desk.
Well said. I think a lot of us have those indie games in our library we've been wanting to play and now is our chance. Only AAA I plan on playing is witcher 3 but the rest, indie games.
The steam deck for me is just for playing at 720p low settings running at 30 FPS and I call it a win for the portability. If it runs higher setting than low even medium at 60 FPS is a major win. I see the Steam Deck as more of a supplementary device for your main PC, yes you want to have your PC with you but no one would want to have a crate for your PC tower, monitor, or peripherals.
Sure you can always have a laptop but don't want to spend $1300+ for decent gaming-capable laptop, also you really can't have portable gaming on a laptop as you need a desk or stable surface to place it on.
Most people will have it as a bedside console or on the go commuting to and from school/work. I personally want it basically cause I don't want to be stuck on my desktop or livingroom using steamlink. Being in the backyard, patio. Even during a trip or hike, I can take 30 minute to an hour, play a game and then put it away.
The best thing about it, it is a backlog gaming device primarily. With that said it means playing older titles that you are not playing currently. Most people that want a steam deck already own a capable gaming PC, if they don't it will be a struggle to find it useful if they care about FPS and resolutions. Although, this will be a gate way for many console players to get into PC gaming. Far less expensive than owning a dedicated gaming PC or AYANEO. Because to is valve and steam is one of the biggest PC gaming platform, they can be sure their games will be on their account for years to come, and having cheap bundle games helps. unlike consoles you need to either subscribe to a live service (xbox or ps5) and then you have to consider the life cycle of the console which is roughly 4 to 6 years generally (with the exception of PS3 and Xbox 360).
You are right when you said if people are delusional playing their games at max settings is very unrealistic, sure some games will be able to but I do expect those for older titles around 2018 or older, and in most cases unity games and similar engine that is not heavily taxing on CPU/GPU and also on watt consumption.
Potato implies it can't meet minimum spec requirements or the targeted specs required to run at 720p 30/60 fps. Yes there are going to be struggles to run some newer AAA games at resolutions that gamers are used to like 1080p and 4k but lets look at the specs compared to what is a 720p console. The original xbox was capable of 720p gaming. with a 32 bit custom intel CPU running at 733 MHz, and a gpu Co developed by Nvidia and Microsoft with 20 GFlops, and 64 MBs of RAM, but that's not running PC games I hear you screaming at your monitor. Okay but my point stands you don't need massive amounts of power for 720p games when they are well optimized, and even if they aren't optimized I think we are well beyond specs needed for 720p, plus scaling tech has come a long way. so i see no problems coming.
waiting for the "i was wrong" video.
If Valve fix the media foundation issues on launch, I will probably make a video like that, but the hardware part is not something I am wrong about. In 2 years, many new AAA games will be unplayable on the deck, and I am very confident in that statement.
This aged like milk
Most of the things I said are correct. The deck can't run modern AAA games at an acceptable frame rate unless you use potato graphics + upscaling.
@@doompenguin7453 k
Deck reality Check
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I think your clams on power and what games are going to run is off. There’s lots of hand held pc out now that have weaker gpu that can hit native res at a easy locked 30 and some games 50-60fps.
Yea this is definitely true I own a OneXPlayer with Iris Xe graphics and a lot of 360/ps3 era games run at 60fps 1600x2560 resolution and most games today run fine at 720p 60fps and a majority run at 60p fps 900p and. large amount 1080p 30fps low. The steam deck has a much more powerful GPU but with my OXP I have never had 720p less than 30fps.
30fps to 60fps does make a huge difference in input, though.
this aged like milk lmao
Omg, is that the fastest touhou fumo racing skateboard player????? Can I get an autograph???
your parents are divorced
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@@-gamecarl7708 lol
The deck is more powerful than my previous computer, which was definitely a potato. AAA games at 30 fps are fine for me.
You're just talking shit. The new rdna2 be able to run most games at reasonable settings. For the low asking price even people that can't build a computer at the moment will be a good alternative
Valve is really investing a lot of money to make sure the price to performance is the best it can be ( The margins are extremely slim with the lowest tier deck) and supporting it with compatability and operating systems that work to optimise performance. Other companies that release similar performing hardware don't have that support and are double the price. That's no exaggeration. Also does the sold out paid pre orders sound like failure?
Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about 😂
And you do? I've used Proton for over 2 years now, I know the problems it has, and Valve can't simply solve all of them by February.
the 1280 x 800 resolution is actually 720p. it has a menu bar on the bottom that is always there that takes up the other 80p
Nobody is getting this to become a pro gamer.. . People just want a handheld PC that can play the library of games they've had for years. It has the same power as an xbox one and will not struggle on optimized games.
Performance wise, you will be able to play pretty much every game on the market right now at 30fps if you lower the settings. There are however the Linux specific issues like Media foundation which prevents pre-rendered cutscenes in some games to play(e.g Nioh 2) or straight up makes other games crash on launch. There is also the fact that VKD3D(DX12-->VULKAN translation layer) is way behind DX12, leading to most new games being unplayable on launch. A good example is Far Cry 6. I could launch the game the day after it released, but there were graphical glitches, the menus did not have text unless I added a line of code to VKD3D before compiling it, and the game still crashes the AMDGPU kernel driver when I open the map screen because that screen offends VKD3D so badly in some way, that it decides to nuke my drivers. Linux gaming can be good if you know what you are doing, but it's not a click and play experience in many cases, and that makes me worry that many will just refund the deck as soon as they encounter a media foundation issue or something.
You're out here saying anything below a 6800XT is a potato meanwhile I game perfectly fine on my 5700, and before it failed, my 580. I really don't think it's underpowered for it's price point
I think you're right about everything else though
16:10 is nice, as someone that plays a lot of retro games in 4:3. that extra height goes really far
Yesss
i think that it is really unfair to compare the steamdeck to a high end gaming pc. The steam deck is made for 720p in the first place. Also, Whoever buys a steamdeck thinking it is able to replace his pc for the next 2-3years of gaming, doesnt understand the niche that the steamdeck is trying to hit. It is not designed to replace your pc. It is made so you can play pc games on your couch when you do not want to sit on your desk. you trade off a high end resolution on a big screen, with the ability of sitting comfortably on your couch or even take it with you (though it might be a little to chonky for the go to play outside handheld). I would much rather compare it to a device that plays in the same ballpark, like the one x player. OR the aya neo or The gpd win. Those are devices that actually do what the steamdeck does in the same built format. (and yes im aware that the steamdeck will still fall short cause we compare a 600$ device with a 1600$ device, but at least that comparison holds some merit because we can actually see issues of those systems and what valve tries to go around those=
Im not trying to glorify the steamdeck. We are still talking about valve here, who did have a lot of issues when it comes to hardware. BUT that comparison cant hold promise until we actually have the endproduct in hand to get tests on.
Valve has thousands of games to play lol poorly? No... It will be a big succes!
get the point trying to be made, but some things are just so heavily exadurated.
Plenty of triple A games will run no problems with low settings on 60fps at native.
Cyberpunk is an example of a rediculously demanding game, it is basically at the pinacle. 95% of AAA titles don’t require the same specs.
Supposedly however it runs 20-30fps on high settings on native, so somehow on low I dont think you will need to go to 900x600p to get 30fps.
Their will be plently of triple A that can reach 60fps on medium-high settings without issue.
The issue is not the cpu or gpu,
it will come down to the power draw of the device required to do so, modifying the 15w tdp to something greater is going to mean the portable game time will be non existant.
i think the opposite about devs not wanting to cater to it. supply and demand, if the steam deck takes off and becomes insanely popular, they may do such things as optimize games for it. im sure it wouldnt take much either. something like an optimization for a console and putting it at a lower resolution may suffice
I don't play online fps games so i don't need to worry about those issues you mentioned with anti cheat. The steam deck will be a way for me to play pc games again. Since i sold my gtx1080 like a idiot a year ago, hoping to get a rtx30 series for msrp🤦🏾♂️ i wanna play frostpunk, subnautica and death stranding
Unfortunately, the chip shortage will drive an ebay deck blackmarket with prices ranging up to $1000 probably in 2022 : /
@@kahlikohkat8264 fortunately i have a reservation 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
@@808Mark Nice, I think when all is said and done it'll be a great system.
Over priced? Nonsense! This video will age badly
No it will not
@@maplemiles3381 your reply will age badly
well, we won't be playing aaa games on deck, but surely nobody ever did that on switch.
People did play some of those aaa games on switch
@@maplemiles3381 i have a switch. zelda and xenoblade are aaa exclusives that I think we'll be able to play on steam deck anyway with an emulator... for what concerns ports like the witcher 3, they will surely run WAY better on deck than on switch, plus costing 5 dollars instead of 30 on sale. oh.. and ofc we'll not be waiting years for an overpriced port.
Codeweavers has been working on kernel level wine translation for a while now i think that will definitely help the future of steamdeck. I dont think u realize how much work fsr does for linux gaming i can use it to make it look just like 1080p while rendering half the resolution
We shall see what it can do when it releases.
>he doesn't like the steam deck
>Therefore he is a narcissist.
>Linux
i always looked at it like a laptop tbh, especially with windows support and being able to connect to a monitor, keyboard and mouse.
and for $400 its way more powerful than most laptops
>abandoned is silent hill
>Steam deck will be successful
>Kojima never left Konami sh
Bro I’m jus trying to play xbox360/past gen games I really don’t like AAA am I good? that’s why I pre ordered mine
Yes, you're good. I haven't had a past gen DX9/11 game give me problems under Proton, so you'll be fine.
Can someone explain the Aspect ratio-section for me please? Is the monitor of the deck not for the general aspect ratio? does it mean we will have black bars on the top and the bottom?
Yeah, your standard TV has an aspect ratio of 16:9 and that's what games are usually designed for. Some games have no support for other aspect ratios(e.g. all the souls games and sekiro) so you get black bars on the top and bottom if you have a 16:10 monitor or black bars on the sides if you have a 21:9 ultrawide.
Serious question: If the anti cheat software gets fixed for Linux, and it’s able to be ran, do you think that I could run black ops 3 at at least 30 fps? I geniunely don’t know if it would be able to run it well at all. What about rainbow? Battleeye is now allowed so I don’t really know. On top of that I wonder if the multiplayer aspect of it will actually be any good…
You can now play COD: BO3 on linux with a similar PC on medium at +60fps (I do play split screen with two monitors at 720p +60fps with a radeon RX460, worse than a 1050ti)
@@francomasella3543 awesome!!! Thank you so much!!!
you lost me at we should judge it as a pc not a handheld console. bruh its both you try and make better.
It's a handheld gaming PC, not a console. It is a general purpose computer, so it does not fit the definition of a gaming console at all. It is marketed to people who want to play games, and it does aim to provide a console-like experience, but it is not a console. You are also playing PC games on it.
Every Steam Deck video: "Linux is cool but the compatibility is shit"
Me: Sitting here with an external SSD pre-loaded with Windows waiting for mine to come in the mail
Steam Deck/Windows haters: "YoU cAnT jUsT pUt WiNdOwS oN tHe StEaM dEcK!?!?! ThAt Is IlLeGaL yOu KnOw? It IsNt oPtOmIsEd FoR gAmInG!"
Me: Looking at my GPD Win that was both a dumpster fire but could still play 360 games at low to medium settings 5 years ago giving me more hope than ever before.
(then again my first computer was a 2001 Dell Optiplex work tower and my PC gaming evlolved from there, so maybe I'm just okay with low settings/constant tinkering?)
I agree. Steam deck should have run on windows right out of the box. Don't forget the DRM always online issue making it unportable. I don't think it even has lte internet.
They already got anti cheat working ? Have u actually done ur research ? it’s pitching at pc players looking for a portable instead of a switch , most games get 30 to 60fps 80 out of the top 100 games are smooth playing on the steam deck according to steam and confirmed by developers
I have done my research. anti-cheat works ONLY if devs decide to enable it, which is the problem. Most of the MP games people really want to play don't have Proton anti-cheat support enabled. The fact that a solution exists means nothing when the most popular games don't bother enabling it.
@@doompenguin7453 a lot of triple a developers have already said they will support it like epic and wild card, others will follow suit especially if the sales are high enough
My man, while steam deck is obviously less powerful than a pc, it’s still one of the most powerful handhelds
and again, while it’s a pc, IT’S STILL A HANDHELD, that uses a battery, and you hold in your hands
by comparing it to an actual pc, while the steam deck is still a pc, it results in a apples vs oranges situation.
Compare it instead to the most popular hardware in use by PC gamers. Steam is one source of this info. Therein lies a real slice of reality.
Why do you think it’s expensive? If it is then any computer available should be considered expensive as well.
This is why the Deck (like any other PC) supports multi-booting OSes & allows you to run full blown Windows 10 - so for games that won't run on SteamOS (via Linux support or Proton) you can install straight up Windows for those games.
And just like a PC ("It's a PC") you can boot right back into SteamOS too.
You can even make a microSD that boots into a retroOS (eg EmulationStation) strictly for emulating old games.
Take a MSi/ROG gaming laptop, make it smaller, portable & *HANDheld* (lot of people miss that last point), and *significantly cheaper* (a decent gaming laptop is $1000+), and you got the Steam Deck. Plus none of this is locked down; Valve allows their users to do this out of the box with no restrictions (unlike Nintendo)
and within Windows 10; you can run VirtualBox/DOSBox - so yeah you have truly portable PC gaming spanning all the way back to IBM DOS days (portable Zork; because why tf not)
How does it run fallout new vegas or daggerfall unity though
I find it odd people think this device will dethrone Nintendo in the handheld space when Nintendo has high-end QST party games and given the switch has some 3rd party games with some good results for a weak device.
Will it run warhammer total war 3 that’s all I want to know
I also agree with one point in particular, and that's at 5:50 where you mention fps games need low input lag. The input lag is mostly caused by 30 fps, when you kick it up to 60fps+ the lag drops and feels....kind of 'normal'...? in a way I guess? Yeah, gonna need that 60fps I think...
Does Microsoft have any input on this device?
all the post 2013 games barely improved graphics while bloating system requirements, the PS3 already run games that honestly look better than some of stuff being launched nowdays, i would rather have devs optimizing games again. Cyberpunk 2077 is a example, even a GTX 2060 can barely run that pile of trash.
Many of my favorite games are only on computer so getting to play them on the go while not needing to bring my computer everywhere will be pretty convenient for me. Also, I've never really seen the need for better graphics than Xbox One/PS4 and if the steam deck is capable of that or even more like people are saying it's a perfect console in my book.
I'm not expecting the Deck to be able to run graphically demanding games, I have a PS5 for that. I'd get it for smaller games that I can play on the go like indie games or games that rely on good gameplay rather than visuals like Team Fortress 2 and the like.
also I dunno if you've seen prices on GPUs; but right now is a *HORRIBLE* time to build a gaming PC. Any comparable PC will go into well over the $1000+ range. It actually makes more sense to buy the $650 model Steam Deck & convert it into a small form factor desktop PC at that point; buy a docking station & install Windows - even if you don't use it portable *ever*; it's still a better value than building a rig right now (coming from someone who built a Ryzen PC during the height of the pandemic & bought a used RTX 2070)
i agree in the anti cheat part, linuxs is extremely hardened, and kernel level anti cheat pretty much works in a similar way to a virus, i can't imagine someone ever getting them to work on linuxs and honestly i hate this kind of anti cheat, and i would rather not even play the game if it includes it.
You are right about most things so I gave a like on the video. But you did not consider the current hardware shortage. People can't buy a gaming pc, consoles are scalped to oblivion. Laptops that can run games out of the box are not in the 400 usd range not to mention they are not advertised for gaming. So the only option that is left for many people is the steam deck and cloud gaming. Cloud gaming sucks ass (although Geforece Now is looking better every day but still a very small game library). The steam deck will be sold out for a loong time.
True, but I see a lot of people saying that the deck will suffer from the same shortage as everything else, so Valve won't be able to move a lot of units if they can't physically manufacture them in the first place. Hopefully this is not the case and everyone who wants one actually gets it.
Stopped watching a minute in because your starting point is just wrong. The Switch does not exist in a vacuum just for first party Nintendo games. The Witcher 3 plays on it! What matters is developer support to get games running on Deck. Then you go on to compare it to a full desktop GPU which is just silly. The Deck and a desktop pc are trying to achieve very different outputs. The Deck won’t need to produce the same graphical features, resolution or frame rates as expected from something like a 6800XT. Good job making a controversial video to garner views and angry valve fan boy response like me though.
You're ignoring the possibility to dual boot Windows though. Valve themselves are saying you're free to install 3rd party operating systems on their site. With the 64 gb model it might be a stretch but my future 256gig deck is def dual booting for some of those unsupported games/other game launchers. Apex/R6 on this is better than nothing at all, after all.
And people already mentioned this but emulation is becoming huge quick with good emulators for PS2 and WiiU/Switch. The launch library is huge on this and the best part, you already owning all of these games(as long as you're a pc gamer on steam) is a huge benefit for all these people wanting something portable.
It's too versatile of a device to dismiss it with '''linux isn't there yet'''. Not to mention your performance numbers are a bit off. There are already devices with last gen ryzen apus performing way above their weight class.
Tbh the deck makes perfect sense to those out of budget for smg more advanced, $400 is just right and the steam deck will dominate in the handheld pc sector bec of its price, I don't mind to play last year's games and the years before while next year a new deck will be able more advanced also at a low price, I think valve got it right this time cuz thry hv made the Nintendo switch that pc gamers always wanted.
And btw you will be able to connect Ur deck to Ur home screen and get good resulotion with FSR enabled.
The 400 dollar one is not gonna be the one, emmc storage is HUGE drawback
Id at least go for the 530 one to get nvme storage as its not very upgradable
@@cainco98 agree although I was thinking of those who r really tight on budget the SD card won't be a deal breaker but of course I'm Goin for the emmc version
@@mazenkenana4840 you sound like you've never used emmc storage devices (low end chromebook and such). Its such a deal breaker for how slow it is, it might also affect the gaming experience. Capacity is not the issue but the speed is
@@cainco98 differences mainly in load times and I don't thing thst the game play will be affected, of course nvme is far better all around
@@mazenkenana4840 actually I don't know if it's replaceable or soldered on, I just assumed, if it's replaceable that would be brainless 400 bucks one, I wish
The focus on graphics has killed gaming really. I’m getting the steam deck for older games I want to play in a handheld fashion
I'm tired of waiting already. I want my dam-m Deck!
Hi Doom Penguin, sorry I missed your last stream.
This all depends on what Sony and Microsoft do. If those giants choose to enter the handheld game device market, then the Steam Deck will likely face some tough times. Sony is starting to make moves to porting their games to PC, so they will likely end up on the Steam Deck. But they can easily craft a device of this type as well. Not sure what they are going to do. Microsoft could be an even tougher competitor, considering Game Pass, and their ability to tune Windows for a device like this. I think Microsoft is trying to make moves to head off Sony. The games that Sony have released on PC have done extremely well, and they have a huge catalog. Sony’s skill at nurturing game development is unmatched in my opinion. They are behind on cloud gaming though. That’s another wildcard. I can play modern games at high quality in GeForce Now on a mobile phone, tablet, old laptop, computer, etc.. I also get the feeling that Apple is shifting gears towards more powerful game implementations, they have highly optimized mobile OS, and their audience is colossal. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Well, about esport titles, people are capable playing Fortninte on phones and Switch (I think apex now too) and on other consoles too (I think CoD is big on consoles and people are ok with low fps, delay of tvs etc.), I am not saying it is for everone, but it is ok for casuals as me
I genuinely do not understand what is so hard about installing windows 10. It takes like 15 minutes. Even VALVE recommends installing windows 10 because it's literally just a pc.
they never recommended installing windows, they said that it was possible
Without talking about the reasons why in a normal situation you would want to have Linux installed instead of windows.
First of all, "normies" do not install OSs, that's a big reason why Linux isn't more popular.
Second, I expect windows in this device to perform not so good, it's not designed for this. In the other hand, they can modify Linux to satisfy their needs, you will not be able to use the sleep and wake up functionality with windows installed, it would be very awkward to control and probably not so much efficient.
But one or the other way, you have the right to choose, so...
@@francomasella3543 "Normies" do not buy a steam deck, they buy a switch instead. Show me evidence of Manjaro + KDE (which is what SteamOS 3.0 is based on) performing better than windows 10. It consumes twice as much RAM and the pagefile does nothing. Touch support is atrocious. Not to mention all the issues that will arise when Pacman suddenly decides it doesn't want to update anything anymore.
I feel like RUclips decision to hide dislike counter benefits to much this kind of video!
I see the steam deck as a first gen device in it’s category. Is it going to run all games at 1080p/60fps docked? No ofc not, 720p/30 fps is the goal for this gen with low-medium settings. Anything more than that is a bonus. I hope this sells well so we will get a Deck 2 and Deck 3 (even though valve seems to hate the number 3) in a few years. I also hope amd fsr/rsr will get better in the future so we can run games docked at 4k 30 fps (upscaled with fsr or intel xess ofc). I can dream right, but it would be awesome to have one device for both portable and docked play.
Way too pessimistic! Even if it flops when it comes to future releases, it will still succeed as an emulation machine that you can take on the go.
Interesting. I did not consider emulation because I don't really play anything on emulators, but you do have a point there.
So basically it sucks? I’m not sure whether I need to cancel my reservation or get self help after the tone of this video
It can still run a lot of games, just not every single thing on Steam. Which games do you want to play on it?
Can you play GTA V or COD on it?
steam deck be in stores or only Online ?
So far online only, and only direct sales through Valve/Steam
Is this thing going to be a beast? No. Will it perform better than youre advertising here? Yes. At times youre outright wrong. There is already comparable hardware on the market capable of connecting to a tv or monitor and playing AAA titles at solid graphics and framerates. Ive played Yakuza 0, GTA V, LA Noire, Kingdom Hearts 3, and Rogues company (online) at 1080p 60fps on the Onexplayer 1195g7 and that's with intel's garbage drivers. I get this isnt a powerhouse but its not the piece of crap youre painting it out to be. And you brought up the switch lol. The dock has 0 hardware in it. All of the lifting is done by the switch. This is better than the switch.
Yeah, and the switch's games have mobile game levels of graphics. LA Noire, GTA V, Yakuza etc. are not demanding at all and LA Noire and GTA V are really old, so of course they will run alright. When I'm talking about AAA games, I mean one that were released recently or ones that will release after the release date of the switch. Good lock playing a big budget 2022 AAA game at 1080p(native) at 60fps on the steam deck.
I have made it a few minutes into your video and did you even bother researching other gaming pc handhelds?
First, I don't get why you compared a handheld to a whole gaming pc, where the GPU you mentioned (6800xt) is the size of the console itself, but even this aside.
Other handheld pc consoles (onexplayer, aya neo, gpd win 3), all running hardware which is slower than the steam deck (ryzen 4500u,intel 1165g7, ddr4... compared to steam deck's rdna2 ddr5), can run games at 720p/800p at 30+ fps so I don't get why you think the steam deck is so weak that it needs to upscale from 900x640 or whatever, even if running linux is that much slower which I doubt it.
I am not too familiar with proton or gaming on linux but valve has a verified system so it would make sense that games that are verified to work on the deck would just work out of the box, in that sense the user wouldn't have to configure anything, unless they decide to play a unverified game. How many games would be verified on launch, we will see.
Some points I do agree, this thing won't run most AAA games at 60 fps (FSR would help but yea don't expect 60 fps on all AAA) , and that it is indeed a handheld so don't expect it to run like a console.
The fact that it won't run future AAA games imo is not a deal breaker to me at least. 1 of the selling points of the steam deck is that it is a pc and if you game on a pc already, you already have the games. If it became a specific console, the likely approach is that games would have to be bought separately. I'm not sure greedy publishers would want to make and optimise games for the steam deck if they couldn't sell it separately unless valve gives them money to optimise it and so that if people bought the game on pc, they would own the deck optimised version.
either way I can't pre order this thing in my region but I do plan to get it.
1. The 6800XT compute performance is a good reference point. Take the 6800XT performance in game X, and provided that game is fully GPU limited in both the Deck and the Desktop's case, then dividing 6800XT performance by 13 will roughly give you the deck's performance. I made this point for the people who are thinking of connecting their deck to a TV or monitor, similar to how people "dock" their Nintendo Switch. I want to warn people that using the deck is a bad idea. The Deck is 100% a handheld.
2. Future games will be more demanding, so you will need FSR upscaling. In 2 years the deck will struggle a lot, and it will probably need a "very low" graphics setting in big budget AAA games, since those tend to be super demanding.
3. People want to play games in their library, the whole "this game works, but this one doesn't" thing might be a dealbreaker for some people, and I want them to be aware that not every game will work properly out of the box under proton, or at all because I've been using it for over 2 years and I know how much of pain it can be sometimes.
Depending on the use case, the deck can do a wonderful job, but I just want the people whoa are raving about the deck bringing with it things like Proton being able to run every single steam game OTB by the time the deck releases, and the deck somehow making all game devs to enable Proton anti-cheat support to calm down, it won't happen like that, it's unrealistic. Give it another 2 years and maybe, just maybe, Linux gaming will more or less catch up to Windows, but the deck is not a miracle machine, and we are going to have to deal with all these problems for some time still.
@@doompenguin7453 I understand you are keeping expectations realistic for those who do not know much about consoles and tech and just stumbles upon the steam deck and reserves one.
Guess we will have to just wait and see how it does. I would probably just install windows on it anyway if I do manage to get one in asia.
I just want my indie games to be on the go.
My gaming pc with gtx1650 4gb, 32 ram, Ryzen 5th gen runs mgs v at 60fps but a cheap 2gb gpu 3gb ram ps4 runs it at 60fps aswell. That's not the case
You're probably right. If I ever did get this thing though, I would probably be using it to play older games like Terraria, TF2, and... MAYBE GMOD?!? I feel like that last one might break the poor thing. I think it would be cool to run a document program for writing on this thing for my story projects. But iounno, device is making some chances look a little slim.
I think people are underestimating the power of this thing. Look at benchmarks on the onexplayer and the AYA Neo. Those are very capable of playing modern games. There are benchmarks of GTAV running at 1600p high settings on the onexplayer and it STILL hits past 30fps. And the stream deck has better specs than both of these devices overall, apart from screen resolution on the onexplayer. I have no doubt that it can play all three of the games you mentioned at high settings 60fps.
Me using a gtx 1050 desktop pc looking for a upgrade.
I play competitive games like Quake champions, quake live, Counterstrike successful with 60fps and with the steam controller. Ok 30 FPS would be to low for me but 60 is totally fine for many competitive "older" games.
Despite being an overly negative video I agree with the most parts.
I think it can handle AAA games even at native res but only with low settings and 30ish fps.
That in and of itself sounds fine to me but if you also consider the battery life on high loads you will not have a good experience.
I doubt that we will see a lot of anti cheat support through a compatibility layer as well since that's just way too much effort for what it's worth.
Linux will also filter out non tech savvy users pretty quick especially if you're used to console gaming.
It's still a great piece of hardware for the price. You just need to be realistic what you wanna do with it.
I'll use it for emulation (up to PS2), light gaming and reading visual novels and I'm sure it will do all just fine.
You shouldn't be comparing to any spec other than the most common spec according to Steam Hardware Survey.
The 6800XT and the deck's GPU have the same architecture, so it's easy to compare. You can get the benchmark numbers for a 6800XT, divide by 13, and get a good approximation for the deck's performance.
@@doompenguin7453 That's estimating the relative power of the Deck, but comparing $400 hardware in a handheld form factor to full desktop parts is neither fair nor productive. It's obvious to everyone that the Deck is basically a decent laptop best suited to indie games and older AAAs, but I doubt there are many people even purchasing it as their main way to experience graphically demanding games to begin with.
gpu's are too expensive, Here you can buy the 400 dollar version adn put an 128gb sd card and play games that aren't very high end, I can play minecraft java on it and emulators.
I'm not looking to play last Gen AAA games on my steam deck as that is what I have my gaming PC for, but I just wanna play some less demanding games on it like Doom eternal, DMC 5, MGS 5, Squadrons, some RPG games like Witcher series and mass effect legendary edition. Oooh and Control!
I'm also more than willing to give Valve time to get all the kinks worked out.
I completely understand everything in this video being a console peasant and I'm not dumb at all. XD( also didn't know you play sekiro)
You should try doom eterna-
At this point Valve will not manage to get at least one of the big titles before the lunch of Steam Deck. Look at the proton updates there aren't too many lately... If not even one of the big games (Apex Legends,Fortnite,Rainbow six siege,etc..) will not be available to play on day 1 of the launch of Steam Deck then i incline to agree with you.
It’s absurd to think someone would buy what is essentially a Nintendo switch alternative to play any of the titles you listed.
@@roque-au-parcus I just hope i don't offended you to much...
You are just a nay sayer, valve knows what they are making and have rounded out all the edges. You are going to get left behind as the gaming world steps into the future.
I bet you are fun at the parties
Very.
@@doompenguin7453 Eediat
For sure they’ll optimize it don’t worry
Bit harsh but understandable.