Dressage Problem Solving: Counter Canter and Flexion Techniques

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  • Опубликовано: 7 фев 2024
  • Dive Deep into Dressage Problem Solving: Counter Canter and Flexion Techniques. This video is your guide to tackling some of the most common yet challenging aspects of dressage training: counter canter and lateral flexion. Discover practical techniques and expert advice to improve your horse's performance and enhance your riding skills. Whether you're struggling with maintaining a smooth counter canter, achieving consistent lateral flexion, or executing flawless lead changes, this video provides the solutions you need. Join us as we break down these complex movements into manageable steps, offering clear explanations and demonstrations to help you and your horse progress. Through using psychology and good horsemanship I help them understand each other better in to continue progressing towards their goals. Perfect for dressage riders of all levels looking to overcome obstacles and achieve their equestrian goals.
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  • @ryanrosehorsemanship
    @ryanrosehorsemanship  4 месяца назад +11

    If you would like to have me as your horsemanship coach. I post new training videos every week and answer your questions on my patreon page. Go to www.patreon.com/ryanrosehorsemanship

    • @elainezaricor2599
      @elainezaricor2599 3 месяца назад

      My comments were not posted to be critical of you, your spouse, or your training. Imho, not even every Warmbood breed can excel at dressage. For example, "The Hanoverian is a noble, correctly proportioned Warmblood horse with natural balance, impulsion and elegant, elastic movements characterized by a floating trot, a round rhythmic canter, and a ground-covering walk" This quote is from the Hanoverian Society of desirable dressage character. I am certainly not a dressage expert, but this is one opinion of an organization that is an expert on the desirable qualities that are sought in a dressage prospect.

  • @alisonevans7403
    @alisonevans7403 4 месяца назад +23

    Takes a lot of courage to ask your spouse for training advice when you're an accomplished horse woman yourself. Love how you treat each other with respect, and are combining learning from different disciplines Kudos to you both! Great video!

  • @suzannesenser607
    @suzannesenser607 4 месяца назад +40

    I wish more dressage lessons would be like this. It was a pleasure watching this sweet horse become more connected and supple throughout this lesson. Great exercises, giving a rider a way to Guage how ready the horse is for this work. If the horse is not, the rider has been given a way to go back to a more basic activity to fix it. And since Dressage means "training", NOT "movements", it's nice to see how much good training can improve a less than perfect horse. And, bonus! This lesson includes horsemanship principles. ❤

  • @spriddlez
    @spriddlez 4 месяца назад +39

    Wow a lot of horsesplaining in these comments. You realize the rider is his wife who is a Certified Equine Rehabilitation Practitioner right?

    • @sarahwagland1559
      @sarahwagland1559 4 месяца назад +6

      I'm not interested in the riders credentials, I use my eyes.

    • @electrowave114
      @electrowave114 4 месяца назад +9

      @@sarahwagland1559 The credentials inform the context of what your eyes are observing - your eyes are not psychic, they can only acquire information outside of its context. The brain, and language, exist for a reason.

    • @stephanie-lettherebelight
      @stephanie-lettherebelight 4 месяца назад

      @@sarahwagland1559glasses or contacts

    • @loriswain8140
      @loriswain8140 3 месяца назад

      I didn’t get that impression at all. I feel it was more explanation to the YT audience.

  • @spfisterer3651
    @spfisterer3651 3 месяца назад +4

    The canter improved quite a bit. Emily did great, she's such a good rider, able to immediately grasp and implement Ryan's ideas. That is not an easy mare to ride.

  • @atsavvy6.0
    @atsavvy6.0 4 месяца назад +23

    Everyone thinks they are a horse expert , but FEW actually are .Keep up the great work Ryan !!

  • @sherryw-ponyluv-er2394
    @sherryw-ponyluv-er2394 4 месяца назад +20

    Nice to see you two talented folks working together. Ryan is an amazing diagnostician when it comes to helping the horses to understand and Emily has lots of talent to ride the instructions well. Fun to watch!

  • @gaylemcmurdy2615
    @gaylemcmurdy2615 3 месяца назад +7

    I don’t even own a horse but enjoy watching lol Glad to meet Emile too!! Carry on, thanks for sharing your talents and expertise!

  • @minderellafox7906
    @minderellafox7906 4 месяца назад +6

    Fab lesson! Dressage rider here 🙋🏻‍♀️ that’s exactly how we would have fixed the issue too. I’m glad Ryan mentioned the adjustability , so perfect 👍🏾 I’m sure as the mare gains strength and is more adjustable, she will find it super easy 🎉

  • @KingsMom831
    @KingsMom831 4 месяца назад +14

    I LOVE when you and Emily do videos together!!

  • @mcrcequestrianakamoonchase9143
    @mcrcequestrianakamoonchase9143 4 месяца назад +10

    I’m laughing at these comments. Loved this and applaud you for being able to work this well together. Dressage (when done the way it is supposed to be done) will make all horses better, so don’t agree with the comment that some horses are not meant for a dressage. All the comments about Emily‘s position may have some valid points, but I think it’s because this mare is out of balance and pulling her out of position. It’s super hard to ride an unbalanced horse. I rode my half Clydesdale for 21 years and it was the biggest workout I’ve ever had in riding! Cheers to her. I do think that in counter cantor the mare tilted her balance forward and if she can somehow keep her shoulders back over her hips, it might help the mare out a little bit. But, again, that is a big mare who needs to get a little stronger, and it is so hard to ride ina steady position when those big horses get out of balance!

  • @user-bi6ro8rx2m
    @user-bi6ro8rx2m 4 месяца назад +2

    I enjoyed this video as it shows their ability to collaborate despite differing in their riding styles. I also enjoyed seeing them doing a video together...was great. 😊

  • @shanksjeffcott8598
    @shanksjeffcott8598 4 месяца назад +10

    That was awesome, simply put easy understandable, I really love when different disciplines support and enhance each other. Were I live styles of riding are so separated, its as if you use something from a different style your going straight to hell. Iv seen people tense when iv been teaching if i speak the name of a discipline that my student doesn’t do.
    Well now I have a great positive video to go “ well go check this out and tell me what you think” thanks guys for being awesome

  • @stolensilver6963
    @stolensilver6963 4 месяца назад +7

    Ryan’s explanation at 7.48 about having a stick to keep the horse going forward because the rider can’t use her legs to keep the horse going forward (and sideways at the same time) is the crux of the problem. The horse should go forward of its own volition, not be constantly told to go forward from either the legs or stick. Because this horse is not going forward ON ITS OWN it can’t develop the self carriage to perform any advanced movement (like flying change) well. Constantly reminding it to go forward from leg or stick will just dull it to the aids and the horse will end up shuffling along doing a poor imitation of the movements. First fix the forward.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад +2

      horse is built downhill, so this is very difficult for the horse. IMO more suited to western style dressage, where it would likely score well.

    • @FluxyMiniscus
      @FluxyMiniscus 4 месяца назад +3

      @@chivasmom2024dressage done well will help any horse learn how to use it’s body most efficiently. Whatever a horse eventually specializes in, dressage (which means training) is a great way to set them up for success and longevity

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад +3

      @@FluxyMiniscus absolutely. But one must be realistic in the innate ability of the horse and respect that. I actually think this mare is doing fairly well at these exercises, but she is definitely not at a point in her training where she is ready for 2nd level. I am thinking she should be training at 1st level and can be competing at training level.

    • @jeanedevries1
      @jeanedevries1 4 месяца назад +1

      this is PROCESS, not PRODUCT. Very different! When the horse is balanced, they will FIND forward on their own.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад +1

      @@FluxyMiniscus I will add I have never heard of anyone sending a dressage horse to a trainer. Dressage is a process of developing the horse, but the rider also must learn correctly. Older schoolmasters may be used or purchased to help young riders learn, but 99.99% of Dressage riders have instruction with their own horse. They do not send a horse to a "trainer" to be trained, unless a young horse just learning how to be backed. I have known a lot of upper level dressage riders that send their 3-4 yr old youngsters to a "cowboy" to start them under saddle. Once they have been backed a few times, they are ready to begin their formal education under saddle.

  • @wc3624
    @wc3624 4 месяца назад +4

    More like this ❤ I ride English and focus on dressage, working equitation but do a great deal of ground work focused on the mind and developing understanding. All disciplines can learn so much from each other and I love that you two came together for this video showing that.

  • @bitbybitfarmseast3085
    @bitbybitfarmseast3085 4 месяца назад +6

    You guys are a great team! It is a pleasure to see a dressage horse relax . I like the isolation of the exercises.

  • @LindaKing-lf8nk
    @LindaKing-lf8nk 2 месяца назад

    Would love to take writing lessons from this man. And learn his craft. What an expert I’m just knowing the animal.

  • @chivasmom2024
    @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад +5

    Nice willing horse. Although dressage is good for any horse, as in its truest form is the training of the horse, this horse may be more suited to the western style dressage. I mention this because this horse has a long back, downhill build and stocky body and will have difficulty progressing up the levels. Overstep of the back legs is required for higher levels and higher scores. What may not be well known, is the gaits of the horse, even in the natural state, will score higher than precise "figures" although accuracy is important, gaits are the focus, specifically the improvement of the gaits. IMO it is important to keep in mind what would be good for the horse as a "career" along with the rider's preferred style of riding. JMO

    • @heatherpike5230
      @heatherpike5230 4 месяца назад +3

      The whole idea of dressage is that it's for EVERY horse, regardless of conformation, how far it goes is dependant on so many things but to rule a horse out just because of its length of back just goes against everything that dressage stands for, time to be inclusive and encouraging to all horses and riders

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад +1

      @@heatherpike5230 I did begin by stating that Dressage was good for any horse. I will add that most horses can do up to level 2, but for the higher levels, to be competitive, the horse needs to have the ability. Western style dressage, on the other hand, is more focused to the western style of riding and a horse with a long back that doesn't overstride is more likely to score better in that arena. I see nothing wrong with doing what is best for the horse. One can see how much this horse is on the forehand, and the rider states this too, stating she is heavy in the front. I absolutely would not want the owner of this horse to give up on this nice mare, which is why I mentioned she would score better in western style dressage. If one doesn't care about competing at recognized shows, then it doesn't matter.

  • @corinneguest
    @corinneguest Месяц назад

    Wow riding is not easy! You did a great job of guiding Emily through. Most of this is way over my head. (Not a rider.)

  • @roseschaefer5079
    @roseschaefer5079 3 месяца назад +4

    Lots of people are commenting that this mare has too poor conformation to be a good dressage horse. I completely disagree. Sure, she's likely not going to Grand Prix and might not get 70's on her tests but with some more development she might make a great little 2nd-3rd level horse, which is enough for a USDF bronze medal and a great achievement.
    Any horse can do dressage, but more than that I think is just takes some horses longer to get there than others. I have an Arabian mare I'm developing myself and it took two years of hard work to develop her topline into anything resembling a dressage horse and to completely overhaul her gates from plowing downhill to decently level and beginning to get more uphill. It's certainly doable - you just need to be willing to work harder for it.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 3 месяца назад

      There is nothing wrong with using dressage to improve a horse's way of moving and improved the gaits and bend. This horse, however, is just not built for serious, competitive Dressage. Can be a nice riding horse, or maybe even do some low level western type dressage, but it really isn't fair to this mare to ask her to do something she is not built for. I doubt she would get qualifying scores at any higher than First level, if then. The score on her gaits will be at best a 5, and I would be surprised if her scores reached above a 55-57. At least in Recognized shows, the judges are scoring much better. It used to be one only saw scores between 55-65 but now they will score from 50-90, much more accurate.
      Arabian horses can and do overstride at the walk and canter, once their hindquarters lower with flexion at the hocks, so yes, you could get qualifying scores with enough training on most Arabians. However, IMO trying to get a horse to do something they are not built for would be very damaging to the emotional and physical wellbeing of the horse, and emotionally hard on the rider too. Why not do something the horse is more suited for? The mare will likely live a much longer productive life. Dressage is very hard on the hocks of even suitable, athletic horses. Personally I would be more likely to try to compete with a Saddlebred than this mare. Could get in the 65-70 range easily.

    • @roseschaefer5079
      @roseschaefer5079 3 месяца назад

      @@chivasmom2024 @chivasmom2024 Just because her gaits aren't great now doesn't mean they can't improve - because they can. Dressage is a great career for this mare if the owner doesn't care about winning prizes and is invested in developing the horse. There is nothing major with this mare that would stop her from doing 2nd or 3rd level someday. She is just starting out and has a lot of room for growth and your judging her like she's a 25 yo rescue auction project. Also hock issues typically don't come into play until the higher levels - the damage done by being heavy on the forehand and hollowing the back is worst long term than any strain her hocks likely won't have by moving more level.
      I agree if this owner cares about "qualifying scores" this likely isn't the horse for her, but that doesn't mean the horse is unsuitable for dressage. She just can't compete with warmbloods.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 3 месяца назад

      @@roseschaefer5079 I am not judging her like she is a 25 yr old rescue auction horse, I am judging her on her Dressage Potential and being honest. There are so many other things this horse could be doing successfully, why have her do something so difficult for her build? Jeez. Did you see how weak her back is? I am promoting something good for the horse and you act like I am being cruel. Reality is, she is not going to get the scores, because of her physical limitations. This horse is going to have to work 3x harder for what? So she can loose to a springy 3 yr old 17H Dutch warmblood that has egg shaped circles? Because that 3 yr old is going to get a 9 on gaits and if the rider has any ability whatsoever will get a 7-8 on rider scores. Jeez. People that don't want to face reality.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 3 месяца назад

      @@roseschaefer5079 Hock issues will come into play SO much sooner for this horse because of her build! IMO owners should do what is good for their horse. The biggest reason I got into Dressage in the first place was because of a big Appaloosa/TB mare I originally purchased for my then husband to use as a trail horse. She turned out to hate trail riding, and he decided he didn't really want a horse. She also didn't want to be anywhere near other horses and was not interested in hunter/jumper (what I had been doing). She took to Dressage easily, and progressed really well, being great at lateral movements, trot work, fabulous overstride at walk, piaffe and passage, but her canter was always a bit lacking because she paddled. Unfortunately, she found an old post hole in the stables pasture, and that was the end of her riding career. She gave me some beautiful spotted babies though! Anyway, because of this mare, and doing what was best for Her, I discovered a real love of Dressage. The "L" judge program taught me what to look for in a horse.

    • @roseschaefer5079
      @roseschaefer5079 3 месяца назад

      @@chivasmom2024 I think there is far too much emphasis on scores and ribbons. People can enjoy dressage without needing to aim for impossible expectations.

  • @suefoster1233
    @suefoster1233 3 месяца назад

    Such a cool couple....such respect and admiration for each other in every way.......

  • @cobaltbird
    @cobaltbird 4 месяца назад +2

    Way to go Rugby, Emily and Ryan! Can’t wait to see Rugby and Becky play with this stuff!

  • @runswithhorses6709
    @runswithhorses6709 2 месяца назад

    That was great watching you two work together. Now can we see Emily coach you in the dressage saddle? 😉😄

  • @MiriamPendleton
    @MiriamPendleton 4 месяца назад +2

    Notice how when the mare feels doft in the video during some of the canter work, her head is on or slightly ahead of the vertical.Check it out.

  • @kellythyben3984
    @kellythyben3984 4 месяца назад +5

    I have a mare whom is long backed tried dressage with her and she really had a difficult time going forward with self carriage. She ended up having kissing spine due to long back and possibly just the fact that was in her genetics. She is a retired thoroughbred mare never raced great on the trails but would never be a dressage horse. I see this mare struggling with the hind end is all. I would seek a vet and do some rule out of possible back or SI issues.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад

      this mare is built downhill, and yes, the work is hard for her. Thank you for recognizing your horse's health issues and not pushing her to do something she couldn't do. I had an appendix with kissing spine and found him a nice home with a lightweight owner that loved him dearly. She occasionally sat on him and walked around on level ground, but otherwise he was just happily living life as a pampered horse.

    • @kellythyben3984
      @kellythyben3984 4 месяца назад

      @@chivasmom2024yes agree, I also have to give acknowledgement to Ryan’s wife she is an excellent rider.

  • @lindahollister5530
    @lindahollister5530 3 месяца назад

    Love watching you and Emily together in training❤❤❤❤

  • @bethjune8650
    @bethjune8650 4 месяца назад +5

    Awesome! Great riding Emily

  • @ktgequestrian4475
    @ktgequestrian4475 4 месяца назад +7

    The rider "twists" in the canter. Biomechanicaly the riders hip is drawn forward by the horses lead. You can't sit "straight" in the canter without having the "twist" action. If you allow the hip slightly forward in the direction of the lead, this sorts the problem and makes canter easier for the horse. I think the riders feeling that the horse is unsteady on the shoulders is more down to this than what the horse is actually doing.
    When she was cantering on the circle with flextion to the outside, it was better and more balanced as it put the riders inside hip more forward.
    I like the horse. She has a talent for lateral work.
    You are a brave man teaching the missus 😂

  • @kimberlynads
    @kimberlynads 4 месяца назад +3

    Your knowledge is impressive Ryan 😊

  • @janh9497
    @janh9497 4 месяца назад +4

    Great video. Id love to see more like it.

  • @badnelly7819
    @badnelly7819 4 месяца назад +5

    Loved watching this

  • @heidibelanger
    @heidibelanger 3 месяца назад

    Great video. Thank you

  • @user-pp4ht5wr4m
    @user-pp4ht5wr4m 4 месяца назад +2

    Just love you guys!!!!

  • @connie6623
    @connie6623 4 месяца назад +2

    Awesome work!

  • @red80808
    @red80808 4 месяца назад +2

    Amazing lesson

  • @shannonz7143
    @shannonz7143 4 месяца назад +1

    Love this! So helpful thank you both!

  • @U2dskier
    @U2dskier 4 месяца назад +3

    So impressive, Ryan and Emily!

  • @homeedconnect
    @homeedconnect 4 месяца назад +2

    Ryan, what footing is in your arena? It looks so nice. Great video. I wish I could ride as well as Emily. (I'm working on it!) And, Rugby is gorgeous. ~Holly (Proud Patreon Patron!)

  • @nickwilkinson7728
    @nickwilkinson7728 4 месяца назад +3

    I really like this one, I learned a lot.

  • @Kat-zk6qy
    @Kat-zk6qy 3 месяца назад

    Emily is an amazing rider!!!! Hopefully the horse gets better in her confidence and balance!

  • @lindahollister5530
    @lindahollister5530 3 месяца назад

    This was a great video ❤ thanks to both of you.❤

  • @SaanichtonMinistries
    @SaanichtonMinistries 4 месяца назад +2

    Thanks for these videos. You are blessed to have a wonderful wife!

  • @KM-lu7nh
    @KM-lu7nh 4 месяца назад +2

    I didn't understand most of what you said. I don't understand the terminology or how to accomplish what you were instructing. I have the same problem with the dressage teacher I had and my current hunter/jumper teacher. The horse has a nice halt, though. :) Love that you and your wife are different disciplines and that you understand both.

    • @gottasay4766
      @gottasay4766 3 месяца назад +1

      Please stop your instructor and ask for a deeper explanation when he/she tells you something you don’t fully understand. The principles and techniques they are using here are fundamental and many instructors think you know them (personal experience). I had a good seat, good equitation when I started studying dressage so most instructors assumed I knew these principles. Finally found someone who allowed me to progress slowly and repetitively enough to uncover “my holes” as Ryan says, and it has made all the difference in my progress.

  • @kristinkubsch4230
    @kristinkubsch4230 3 месяца назад

    Great video! She’s getting there!!! So much better!!! The hind end is less out to china then at beginning . Cool to watch progression

  • @Cathan1856
    @Cathan1856 4 месяца назад +9

    Dressage riders make me laugh, is it just a bunch riders who eat their own? From the comments seems most of the time. Makes the sport tragic. Me and my daughter bailed from dressage for this very thing. Very sad. Emily did a great job. Some very good take aways from this training in this video, helping this horse but not get stronger yourself, loved it.

    • @blanca2301
      @blanca2301 4 месяца назад +3

      Same here! I switched to Western riding. I barrel for fun. Dressage was like being in middle school all over again. Emily was great!

    • @casdragon_5939
      @casdragon_5939 4 месяца назад +3

      a lot of english riding is like that; there's always more comments when he shows any sort of english style of riding. I grew up riding english and the amount of drama was crazy, I switched to western and it was much better (though the barrel racers can get a few words in edgewise lol)

    • @ruby_tuesday_dressage
      @ruby_tuesday_dressage 4 месяца назад +6

      I’m a dressage rider and I can confirm 99% of the community is so toxic..they forget how to laugh and have fun😅

    • @kristinkubsch4230
      @kristinkubsch4230 3 месяца назад +1

      I think you all need to try 3 day eventing. Best community ever since we are all crazy!!

    • @Cwgrlup
      @Cwgrlup 3 месяца назад +1

      @@ruby_tuesday_dressage exactly why I took my young horse out of an English barn and took him to a cutting horse trainer. My horse hated the nitpicking and monotony of dressage, even though he had the breeding for it, and became an entirely different horse (very happy and easy to ride) once we put him on cows. If you love your horses, ask them what THEY love to do. They’ll tell you.

  • @gaylemanion6869
    @gaylemanion6869 4 месяца назад +4

    This horse doesn't look like a dressage career is in it's best interest. Heavy on the forehand, never really saw any self carriage. Halts with the hind legs behind instead of underneath her body. Also no natural impulsion. The whip is not a cure for that.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад +2

      the mare could do western style dressage, if the owner wanted to pursue that discipline. Totally agree, this mare is not built for competitive dressage, and certainly not even close to 2nd level on the training scale.

  • @user-uy7if3rc1p
    @user-uy7if3rc1p 4 месяца назад +3

    Dressage it's not overbending horse neck. This horse is on front legs all time. Hind legs are not step under the body.

  • @adventuresofalostboy1466
    @adventuresofalostboy1466 3 месяца назад

    Love your work! What happened to you your recent colab video with Horse Training Pro? Looks like his is gone to?!

  • @annbell8673
    @annbell8673 Месяц назад

    This horse has a hollow in front of the withers which shows that she's on the forehand. She also has way more muscle development on the bottom half of the neck instead of the top. The horse is not lifting through the withers and base of the neck which will develop those muscles. BTW I'm an upper level dressage rider and coach for 40 years. Also a bodyworker and I study Phillippe Karl. He has some great exercises to create lightness

  • @amygrund3178
    @amygrund3178 4 месяца назад +5

    Im confused. Not familiar with english riding much. But the horse doesn't get relief? If u always ride with contact how is the horse ever knowing the right answer and not being micromanaged? If the horse cant hold the movement without rein contact? Flexion movements such as lateral and vertical make sense in that its a yield you gradually ask the horse to hold longer and longer but this discipline just seems to never give any release of pressure 🤔

    • @electrowave114
      @electrowave114 4 месяца назад +2

      There's different kinds of pressure. Just riding a horse alone is pressure, in that you are on the horse's back - that's pressure in and of itself, and you ask the horse to accept it for the entire time you're riding. Dressage requires that contact be treated as another form of steady pressure - the horse is asked to accept it, instead of asking the horse to yield to it.

    • @amygrund3178
      @amygrund3178 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@electrowave114 yes but a bit uses pain compliance, so ur asking the horse to wear pain? Tht will ultimately make them more dull, I see a lot of riders going to heavier and heavier bits because their horse got so used to wearing the pressure. Ig it would probably work better if people regularly rode at loose rein and only asked the horse to collect for shorter amounts of time but asking for a horse to hold that position regularly just seems to defeat the purpose of it being a strength move from the horse. If asked to hold that position long term most would start losing form like a human would if asked to hold a hard movement as well.

    • @roseschaefer5079
      @roseschaefer5079 3 месяца назад +1

      @@amygrund3178 You are meant to intersperse the training with stretching and loose rein work, and "contact" is meant to be a light steady feel, not enough to cause pain.

    • @amygrund3178
      @amygrund3178 3 месяца назад

      @@roseschaefer5079 the concept isn't necessarily the problem it's the implementation. I've hardly ever seen contact that did not result in the bit being active in the mouth and people doing majority loose rein work with contact as a supplement. So my issue with it is the real world application not the concept you just described.

  • @donelookin3386
    @donelookin3386 3 месяца назад +3

    Did this horse have the basics for the upper movements? if parts are locking up I think she didnt have a good foundation. She should be able to do shoulder in on the straight and on circles, ranvere and travere before she does half pass or counter canter and certainly needs to perfect them before she does changes. If she is ready for changes, half pass counter canter she should be straight in the neck and flexion only at the throatlatch.... they are all fun to figure out, harder when others have started the process and you have to step in .
    Also if she hangs or leans, you need to ride constantly making her shift her weight, every few strides, change bend at throatlatch and ask for a step or two of leg yeid, then straight, then change then leg yield... makes them stand up straight

    • @mcgillil
      @mcgillil 3 месяца назад

      Agree with this comment. I only had to watch this horse for a few seconds to question why you'd be working on half past or flying changes. Improvement in dressage always comes from returning to the basics of the Pyramid of training: Rythym, Suppleness, Contact, Impulsion, Straightness, Collection. it's good that Ryan went straight to suppleness exercises! That seemed like an appropriate place to start.

    • @Cwgrlup
      @Cwgrlup 3 месяца назад

      I suspect if the two of you are on RUclips giving your opinions for free, then you’re not making a lot of money as an actual professional in the horse industry.

  • @leonzlair1
    @leonzlair1 4 месяца назад +10

    The mare isn't achieving self carriage. She is heavy on the forehand, which is the "pulling" or "bracing". She actually showed the beginning of self carriage when doing the counter flexion while cantering. Her shoulders came up and she engaged the hind end better. She's a PRE or Freisian, and they have trouble engaging their rear end properly. She has trouble with lateral because she's not pushing from her rear in order to be in an uphill balance and self carriage. I have scribed for decades at dressage shows, and this is a common problem with PREs. Mare has a wonderful attitude.

    • @ktgequestrian4475
      @ktgequestrian4475 4 месяца назад +6

      I've never heard anyone say PREs have trouble "pushing from the rear". Maybe modern competitive dressage does not cater to their strengths? Watch some Working Equitation videos (Spanish or Potugese) if you've never seen the Iberian breeds use their back ends.
      I don't know what the breeding is, but I wouldn't think either PRE or Fresian.

    • @casdragon_5939
      @casdragon_5939 4 месяца назад +2

      PREs do not have issues engaging their rear ends, lol; they were bred for disciplines that specifically require that type of movement. Working equitation is only one example.

    • @stolensilver6963
      @stolensilver6963 4 месяца назад +4

      This is no more a Friesian than I am

    • @leonzlair1
      @leonzlair1 4 месяца назад

      I've heard multiple upper level dressage judges state the fact that PREs have trouble engaging their hind end because of their conformation. This includes Olympic judges.

    • @ktgequestrian4475
      @ktgequestrian4475 4 месяца назад

      ​@leonzlair1
      That just shows how messed up modern competitive dressage is. It's all about "forward" but with little balance. There is precious little self carriage in competition dressage. Iberians are built more for collection and have a natural ability to tilt the pelvis.

  • @bonniesears5286
    @bonniesears5286 4 месяца назад

    👍

  • @ammie3447
    @ammie3447 4 месяца назад +4

    I agree with you Ryan that she needs more work on the flexion. What I think I saw is that instead of bending the neck, she seemed to "twist" the neck to tilt her head, and lift the mouth to give to the rein. From my understanding, that is not the bend we want. Overall I also think she was allowed to escape far too deep behind the vertical almost all the time, which puts all the weight on the forehand, making all these higher schools harder. Thoughts?

    • @sarahwagland1559
      @sarahwagland1559 4 месяца назад +1

      Lame near hind, pelvic problem maybe? This is way too much for it. Needs to go back to basic groundwork to sort out the problem.

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад

      she has a thick, stocky build including the neck. This is hard for her

  • @user-dr6jy9pl6h
    @user-dr6jy9pl6h 4 месяца назад

    🥰❤️🐎

  • @marycanary3871
    @marycanary3871 4 месяца назад +19

    as an english rider, i think this was was pretty good work. however, with some of those reluctances and board-like movements, i would worry about the horse’s body (thinking lyme, EPM, or chronic injury). the horse’s body isn’t very great for dressage and she clearly struggles being in the frame she should be. she doesn’t have much topline at all and she can’t track up. i don’t think i saw her take any properly tracked steps. she definitely needs more forward work than lateral work. i wouldn’t worry about the head set, as long as the hind end is engaged and the horse can move around that leg and her shoulder. she also needs a lot of work at the walk if you want her to be able to work in the canter. muscle and shape is not built in the canter.

    • @sarahwagland1559
      @sarahwagland1559 4 месяца назад +1

      It's lame near hind. Maybe a pelvis issue. Needs to go back to basic groundwork.

    • @stolensilver6963
      @stolensilver6963 4 месяца назад +4

      Agree with much of this, this horse is not going forward and not tracking up at all. She’s not at the stage of doing any more advanced movements IMO. Until she is going forward (which is a basic) she’s not ready for anything else. Adding complexity on top of lack of forward will just cause the horse to curl up in front and ‘die’ more.

    • @sandrawhisler1545
      @sandrawhisler1545 4 месяца назад +1

      To improve on the forward try lots (LOTS) of transitions: walk 3 steps--trot 3 steps--walk 4 steps--trot 3 steps. Get her much more reactive to your leg. She is way too much on the forehand to score well at a show. I would skip the show and improve reactivity. Also noticed she seems to have a hump in her crest. Check for insulin resistance. My horse developed this and then had laminitis in all 4 feet. Hard to see he was lame because it was in all 4, but he sure didn't want to move forward anymore.

    • @spriddlez
      @spriddlez 4 месяца назад +9

      Isn't the rider a trained horse physiotherapist? I'm sure she would have checked the soundness of this horse (as would Ryan)

    • @casdragon_5939
      @casdragon_5939 4 месяца назад +3

      the rider is a physiotherapist . . . I think she'd have gotten them checked out before trying anymore intensive training.

  • @Timeisirrelevant
    @Timeisirrelevant 3 месяца назад

    She needs more jump in the stride before working counter canter. He’s right about some things and yet doesn’t work in the rider. She keeps perching with her seat, which causes her to not keep the jump and help the horse lighten the forehand and have more power in each stride, while producing more collection. Once she is correct, then she can set the horse up for success. He’s teaching her like she’s a western rider. He is missing the collection required in dressage. Similar yet different. He said she’s competing. I’m guessing First Level. If she is competing, she wants to perform the movement of the shallow serpentine in counter canter well enough to get a good score. She should already be schooling Second Level at home. That’s why I’m suggesting more collection. He’s right on flexibility. But once again, he’s not correcting the rider. Her balance and getting the horse quicker off more subtle aids is what will help. Then building the horse’s flexibility, balance, confidence and collection will make it easier.

  • @katrienvh4289
    @katrienvh4289 4 месяца назад +1

    Do people really still use spurs while riding? 😲

    • @electrowave114
      @electrowave114 4 месяца назад +6

      They're used as cues when used properly, _not_ to punish the horse - when used properly, they cause no more pain than a light finger tap, they're supposed to be used to provide another point of contact, allowing for more complex aid combinations (for high tier maneouvers that cannot be communicated very well otherwise).
      It's their _improper_ use that they are infamous for - the abusive gouging of a horse's sides with them. Spurs are _not_ supposed to be used for that, and it's only bad or poorly-taught riders who use them that way.
      They are required at high levels of dressage competition, and in some other disciplines as well, to my memory. You do not get the option to _not_ use them, once past a certain level. They become mandatory due to the rules. But they are neither harmful, painful, nor abusive when used _correctly_ instead of as punishment.

  • @topcatwarrior
    @topcatwarrior 4 месяца назад +7

    Not all horses are meant for dressage, and I have my doubts about this one. Prove me wrong, I would be delighted. Interesting and informative video, thanks!

    • @petrairene
      @petrairene 4 месяца назад +5

      No, you can ride dressage with any horse. This rider isn't at a level where she can school a horse. Starts with her seat and hands.

    • @dawncarney5161
      @dawncarney5161 4 месяца назад

      😂 I see you were wrong

    • @topcatwarrior
      @topcatwarrior 4 месяца назад

      @@dawncarney5161 One ridiculous and uninformed comment does not prove me wrong. My concern was with this particular horse and whether they could get it to where it needed to be.😉

    • @armoredwings4182
      @armoredwings4182 4 месяца назад +8

      Do you mean *compete* in dressage? Dressage is good for all horses, it helps them be soft and carry themselves. But I do agree not all horses are built to compete in it

    • @topcatwarrior
      @topcatwarrior 4 месяца назад +4

      @@armoredwings4182 I was responding to this video because they are training the horse for competition, and that is what I meant about not all horses are trainable to do such. I should probably have expanded my comment to include that.🤷🏻‍♀️

  • @user-he8cz7qf2b
    @user-he8cz7qf2b 2 месяца назад

    Ryan is an amazing trainer. But....her spurs are crazy....WHY so severe??

  • @joshuaasbill3131
    @joshuaasbill3131 4 месяца назад +2

    How many people were secretly waiting for a couple fight to break out?

  • @carolynstewart8465
    @carolynstewart8465 4 месяца назад +1

    Not the correct job for this poor little horse. Great trainers though!

  • @MiriamPendleton
    @MiriamPendleton 4 месяца назад +8

    I know it's all the rage lately, but you are riding your horse behind the vertical. Come on equestrians, let's stop the behind the vertical stuff. Poll high not crest high!

    • @roseschaefer5079
      @roseschaefer5079 3 месяца назад +1

      Horses must develop a tremendous amount of strength and self-carriage to be high at the poll. For this level and with this conformation the horse is fine. What's not good is when Olympic level GP riders ride crest high and btv - they are meant to be the standard for the ultimate goal of dressage, and they are failing.

  • @elainezaricor2599
    @elainezaricor2599 4 месяца назад +1

    Not meaning to be critical. Dressage requires lots of strength, reach, and flexibility. She is a great riding horse but not as a dressage horse. Imho

    • @stephanie-lettherebelight
      @stephanie-lettherebelight 4 месяца назад +1

      Are they born broke? Strong? And stretchy?

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 4 месяца назад

      @@stephanie-lettherebelight Some horses are born strong and stretchy, also flexible with 3 clean gaits. Overstep in the walk and canter is one of the first things I look for in a dressage prospect. For the upper levels, a superior canter is vital, as there is a lot of canter work. Born broke? Well, not so much but I have started a few that had what I call "old brains" and were super easy to start.

    • @elainezaricor2599
      @elainezaricor2599 3 месяца назад

      They all are not born to have the physical and mental abilities needed for any and everything like dressage, racing, eventing, cutting, jumping and so on. That is why certain breeds are bred for specific purposes. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and purchase any horse you like for the purpose you like.

  • @petrairene
    @petrairene 4 месяца назад +4

    Rider needs to work on her independent hands, including hand positioning and seat.

  • @elainezaricor2599
    @elainezaricor2599 4 месяца назад +1

    Imho this hose is not capable beyond beginner dressage. She just doesn't have the athletic ability to compete.

    • @stephanie-lettherebelight
      @stephanie-lettherebelight 4 месяца назад +2

      Is 2nd level not beginner?

    • @chivasmom2024
      @chivasmom2024 3 месяца назад

      Agree. There is nothing wrong with using dressage to improve a horse's way of moving and improved the gaits and bend. This horse, however, is just not built for serious, competitive Dressage. Can be a nice riding horse, or maybe even do some low level western type dressage, but it really isn't fair to this mare to ask her to do something she is not built for.

  • @kevinfox3875
    @kevinfox3875 4 месяца назад

    American English will soon be evolve into pidgeon English and the letter T will soon be lost to the language. Now here I hear of the cowner canner. What's strange is that Ryan's mispronunciation is only occasional. Why not set up a Unined States Innernational Cowner Canner Commidee.

    • @Kat-zk6qy
      @Kat-zk6qy 3 месяца назад

      It's a Midwest thing. It depends on how the sentence is structured that the tough slip happens

  • @sarahwagland1559
    @sarahwagland1559 4 месяца назад +4

    This horse is lame. It has a problem with its near hind. This is way too much work for this horse. It needs to go back to basic ground work.

  • @krisbaker9427
    @krisbaker9427 4 месяца назад +1

    So she doesn’t trust you? Why is that? It is nothing your audience did. We are not to blame.