Helldivers 2 Has Been Transformed: Player Counts Just Soared
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
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Funny fact. Less headshot damage but more limb damage made the bugs deadlier overall.
It also made bots more dangerous overall too, but this is a good direction. All enemies are easier to kill, but you also, are easier to kill
They mentioned how they are trying to make the entire feel of the game as if the Helldivers are glass canons. They can dish out damage but they can easily get killed. And yeah things might have gotten easier now. But they plan for more difficulty levels higher then 10 and adding more enemies to die to.
@@kelmirosue3251 I don't like it to be honest. I don't like playing careful so I always play a more tank set up to cover my mistakes. I feel like if I make one I'm dead and I have to go get my support weapons. Makes it super hard to peek corners to return fire too. Maybe with more deployable cover I would like it more
@@somone755 that's fair, but also got to remember most bots don't have infinite rockets anymore, so the deployable bubble shield is something I'd suggest. Alternatively you can use the personal shield or the riot shield as well to help. Just try not to tank a rocket barrage and let the enemies waste their rockets
I think the difficulty for the Bots is just about perfect. It hasn't gotten easier at all, while being far more entertaining as they no longer feel like you're hitting a brick wall when you shoot them. They flinch, and are vulnerable to so many more tools. The Arc Thrower can lock them down, and taking down tanks/walkers with the Thermite Grenade is a joy. For bugs it, definitely feels simpler. They just keel over to anything. The bugs are kind of a bore to me atm. Big shooting gallery.
It’s cool that all those people came back and it’s not even for new content or a new”season.”
All they did was fix the game and an extra 50K rush back to play. It’s impressive that so many divers are even engaged enough to hear that the game has been fixed. It’s not like they announce Helldivers news on CNN.
You know, if I didn't know it to be an outrageous statement, I could almost be fooled into believing listening to player feedback leads to people actually having more interest in playing your game. (AAA Execs: What a silly tought, jk lol, let's never do that *surprised pikachu*)
The thing was that many of the Divers didn't quit but just kept their distance. We love the game but playing HD2 when they were nerfing everything and anything made things less fun. The important thing was people didn't want HD2 to fail, they just wanted the game to be fun again
@@IIC7 And it's definitely that atm, it's been hella fun
I tried the game, but the movement and gunplay feel like crap so it's a hard pass for me
And this isn't even that third fraction that supposed to drop either
Up next: Please UNBLOCK all these blocked regions so everyone can play Helldivers 2 too so badly
thats sonys shitck, they wont do that.
That’s on Sony. Arrowhead can’t do anything about that.
Unfortunately that’s not Arrowhead’s call. That’s Sony’s.
Not gonna happen.
Would VPN fix that? Or does it block VPN?
I wouldn't go to the extremes of calling it a power fantasy but easing off on the rock paper scissors bullshit is nice.
People want what the commercials showed starship troopers was, not the gritty reality it ended up being
@@OhNoTheFace People want weapons that work.
@@DrainoMyBraino I think it's kinda both, like... Like mentioning "What the commercials showed". Helldivers' advertisements and anything in the public eye seems to paint the game as a big bombastic horde shooter where you slaughter countless enemies in constant high-octane action, and the the game itself was heavily designed around the idea that your basic weapons don't work and that there is a very good likelihood that you will have to work slowly, methodically, and run away from fights in order to survive. Which... doesn't really go with the fantasy of charging headlong into your foes and getting the job done no matter how much blood is spilled in the process that the game advertises.
If the game had advertised it as a hardcore xcom/horror type experience then the older style might've actually worked.
@@OhNoTheFace huh doi
The game punishes running from fights by dumping more enemies on you
The problem with the "rely on your stratagems" line was that so many of the high difficulty dive modifiers were things that made stratagems fewer in number or harder to call in.
They're either nerfed or removed. The one fewer stratagem modifier is definitely gone as well.
Not just that, but before if you had used your stratagems to take out one single heavy enemy, 5 more of said enemy would spawn and you'd have to run away until your stratagems were ready again.
And that's if your stratagems even managed to kill the enemies. Most would take two shots to properly take out a Bile Titan or behemoth. People also threw the argument that "it's a team game", but that argument fails when your team's equipment also doesn't work properly.
Now, even if our stratagems are in cooldown, we have effective ways to fight back until the big boom is ready. And even our stratagems actually feel effective now.
Also the whole issue of 1 stratagem can kill 1 charger.. great.. and that 1 stratagem has a 2 minute CD... and theres now 15 chargers trying to kill you.. so theres no way to rely upon them bar the few outstanding stratagems.
Make a game not a chore to play and more people will play it. Not exactly rocket science.
@royconestoga7326 not exactly, all these ftp games are actually a second job with daily "chores" and they play everyday
If this is what people want, so be it, but I was always enjoying the challenge. However, I like the idea of being able to use more weapons and still feel up to the challenge.
@@SotNist The challenge was never the issue. It was not having the tools to play the game at higher difficulties. I'd love to see some developer gameplay to demonstrate what a helldive is supposed to look like. Is it supposed to be running from 3 bile titans because I've exhausted my strategems on the last 6? Is it supposed to be exclusively taking the most effective loadout instead of what looks fun to try?
@@TheNotSoLoneWanderer I used to make mince meat of Helldive difficulty. Got a lot of cool videos of full runs on my channel but haven't played in months
Power Wash Simulator would like a word 👿
The new update is so much fun! It really feels like launch again. It's so much fun experimenting with all the weapons again, to see how they perform after the buffs. It feels way more fair now. Yesterday we got so many more hulks in our lv8 game, but we had the weapons to take them out! Spear now one shotting them for example. It's a breath of fresh air, and shows that ArrowHead is actively listening to their community. It's just unfortunate how much damage the last major patch (escalation of freedom) did.
Wait, do the guns actually kill things now? And if so, are they going to nerf everything into the ground until there's no fun again?
@@jamesdykes517 yeah the guns are really fun! I don't think they'll do such drastic nerfs going forward. If you look at the video where they read the patch notes, they mention a lot of things that players have been saying, so I think Arrowhead understands the player sentiment, and aren't going to make a repeat of escalation of freedom.
it actually feels better than launch to be honest
we have so much build diversity right now it's crazy, every game you can choose something new and it will be fun
@@LeateqOfficial fax brother! It's so much fun!
@@LeateqOfficial It's crazy how now I gotta think about what my loadout is gonna be for a solid 20 seconds since the weapons and support stratagems are actually viable lol. Love the biiiig 500 kg boom.
The big issue the community had was that Arrowhead broke their own "hard counter" design. Instead of having multiple tools to counter specific situations, there was 1 tool and 2 or 3 other ones that had been nerfed out of being capable of doing their intended job, sometimes because they were unintentionally good at filling another role, like the flamethrower being nerfed to stop being good against armor and becoming useless against hordes as a result.
For anti-armor, you had the EAT, the recoilless, and the SPEAR. Except the SPEAR had major issues with locking on and even when it hit it took at least 2 shots to kill, meaning that a full pack could only kill 2 or 3 targets and you needed to spend time reloading to take down 1. So that left the EAT and recoilless, but the recoilless was less useful for similar ammo reasons as the SPEAR - it has a lengthy reload and limited carry capacity, which meant that the EAT would give you more rounds over a period of time, meaning the only situations where the recoilless was better was if you needed more than 2 shots in under a minute and had the time to stop and reload. The railgun could fill that role as well, but then they nerfed it and nobody could find a situation where the railgun was worth taking over something that did that job better. It was useless against chaff and outclassed by the auto-cannon or anti-material rifle for medium targets.
Wasn't even that for me. There were "needless" nerfs, & I called them needless because when they nerfed weapons, nothing else was even remotely buffed to where the nerfed meta guns landed after their nerfs while the enemies leveled up. It wasn't even "hard counter" adjacent. It was, hey we nerfed some things, but they were only the only things that worked, but we gave some horrible weapons +5 damage. It looked like sabotage, & I know that sounds crazy, but I don't know what to think.
I love how you said "hard counter". No, only four guns were viable, that's not a hard counter, it's a meta.
He loves hearing his own voice like a narrator in a fantasy game and ironically just as detached from reality
Yeah, they were too heavy on the nerf bat and instead of having multiple tools to counter something, we had 1 for each role and 2 or 3 others that had been nerfed out of being able to counter what they were designed to counter for being "too good."
@@DoesNotInhale You love hearing his voice, too, otherwise you wouldn't be here in his comment section.
@@DoesNotInhale lol, what is that even supposed to mean? Game and story narrators literally dictate their reality.
The problem wasnt the hard counters the problem is that it felt into having too many things that are "If you use this you are stupid"
Airburst Rocket Launcher on higher difficulty was more useful for team-killing than as a support weapon
@@imbw267 for me it was the primary weapons weren't useful, so I had to use the support weapon as the main one
The hardest difficulties of helldivers could easily be the hardcore milsim mode. If people are still goofing off, and winning, make harder difficulties. No, don't make the "current" difficulties harder, make entirely new and harder difficulties
@@AntonsVoice all they need to do is just increase enemy levels on higher difficulties. The difficulty in the game was always managing the enemies. Then they just made bullet sponge bullshit with bad weapons.
@@lustrazor44 I mean... True... But if the hardcore players are still complaining even then, then they should add new, harder difficulties. .... Now that I think of it... That's actually a fix for a lot of games that people complain about being too easy.
You do realise that the entire problem is that the people who wanted the power fantasy went on to the highest difficulty and then whined that they couldn't beat it like I get what you're saying but if they did do that the casuals that expect the power fantasy would just demand that the weapons be buffed so that they can beat it
@@therandomcommenter6629 Baddies couldn't handle Difficulty 9 on launch anyway. That was never the problem. The problem was that even for good players, playing difficulty 9 was way too railroaded and contrived.
@@restlessfrager you're right but what you're suggesting still wouldn't fix the problem for the exact reason that I stated the game was in a bad place but the real problem is that the very core idea of the game and gamers is incompatible the game makes you the expendable foot soldier you are not supposed to feel powerful they literally give you 20 lives because they expect and it is intentional for you to die in horrifying ways that sometimes don't feel fair and then respawn because it's meant to be The horrors of war hidden behind the propaganda people saw the Starship troopers propaganda and believed it because obviously they want to be "badass space soldier slaughtering alien scum" it's why so many people were going on about space marine 2 despite them being wildly different games gameplay wise
still waiting and hoping that region block on helldivers getting removed
I REALLY WANT TO BUY IT , GOD DAMN YOU SONNNY.😥
Start a petition in your country, if every country does this that Sony blocked, then they'll eventually learn
Don't bother giving Sony your money.
You’re not missing shit
Your really not missimg much it gets super boring after a couple of hours at least to me anyway save your money
VPN
They can always make level 11+ difficulty for those that really want the challenge. People flocked to the game at launch because it was fun. Let people have fun.
I want super hard mode because I was one of the people who unironically liked how ball crushingly difficult helldivers was before this update, but I like the weapon buffs because I think (obviously) people who don’t like that deserve to have fun too. So really just increasing difficulty cap will be the best all round.
@@agentduck9285game is still hard on bot front
@@agentduck9285helldive difficulty civilian escort was incredibly fun because the main strategy was spawn as far as possible to get the drop ships spawning away from obj have 1 player rush obj and slam buttons with smokescreen while everyone else ran around to keep enemies from spawning anywhere close to the obj. What sucks and what made me and my friends stop playing was the poor stupid ass nerf decisions they made constantly. Whats that smg with riot shield was effective exclusively against the automatons. Make the spread worse longer reload and the shield crushes you if you fall over lmao. Any remotely viable strategy getting nerfed to oblivion while every other borderline useless stratagem didn't recieve any tweaks to make them usable or even remotely on par with other tools is what pissed me off.
@@itsyaboiguzma yeah I get that.
@@agentduck9285
Ngl, would like to see them include a modifier selector similar to old school Halo with Modifier Skulls.
Like, for the pre-buff experience, you could select the "Faulty Manufacturing" modifier to give all Helldivers a -10% or -20% damage and -1 level of AP, but you get more idk, samples or something? This would effectively double the difficulty selection with this alone.
I think Payday 2 has like, Death Wish difficulty, but you can also get Death Wish One Down as a modifier for increased difficulty.
Game designers need to get it through their skulls. Yes, design matters. Direction matters. Balance matters. "Vision" got the game rolling in the first place.
The moment a game, especially an online one, goes live, it stops being all about whatever the devs want or think the game should be. Players now have input, and it's arguably more important than whatever the designers and developers want or think. Artistic vision and intended design are all well and good, but if large numbers of your players are saying both suck, than it's time to take a step back.
To be fair, nothing is binary. There are countless examples of the community advocating for very detrimental or downright nonsensical adjustments.
The harsh reality is the matter is you just don't know. Sometimes you must listen to your community, sometimes you just present the illusion of listening to your community. That's to say little of instances where a title finds appreciation long after it failed to make a profit. Game dev, like a business, is one hell of a gamble.
A few devs on the team have the emotional maturity of a toddler.
They are so fixated on their vision for the game, that they would rather watch it fail and kill the golden goose, than accept that they were wrong in their vision and adapt to what their audience wants.
@@angmori172 They weren't really wrong, though. What changed was that Helldivers 2 ended up being picked up by a different player base than the one they expected.
@@evanulven8249 yes, that's why I said they were wrong.
@@angmori172 they also admitted to barely even playing their own game and balancing it based on a spreadsheet of usage metrics alone. This has absolutely never worked.
Damn its crazy its like actively buffing weapons the community has been asking for instead of nerfing any viable strategy or weapon through the floor was the better course of action.
They never did that, but continue spouting bullshit you watched on a random ragebait video lol
Actually now it's both, super Earth didn't lie to you, you do get overpowered weapons.
Nobody ever mentioned anything about survival rates, drop down, mow down, get mowed down, next.
I mean you can be a part of an elite squad that can deal with anything using optimal tactics, most grunts will die like fools crushed by a charger they tried to beat to death though.
All playstyles are now valid and the challenge isn't gone.
Yeah, they do have overpowered equipment (Case and point: General Brash personal shield)
@@shirokatatsu5886 been fixed already
But that's the thing...
Super Earth is a totalitarian government; it *was* supposed to be a lie. That's part of the satire.
Many of your best memories of gaming, video or tabletop, is when something went horribly wrong but you managed to win anyway through unconventional tactics or the dice gods just smiling on you that day. 😆
Arrowhead accidentally made the wrong game for the right audience.
The wrong game, because their intention was some sort of hardcore mil-sim, which feels really weird to me with all the humor and other elements that all really fit much better with the result: a super fun tactical coop power fantasy.
The right audience, because the evidence is clear: there is no sizeable audience interested in their original vision. But there is a massive audience for what they accidentally made.
Let's say I try to build what I think is going to be an SUV. It sells like crazy and people love it... As a tractor. It becomes one of the most popular farming vehicles in the world over-night.
Do I complain that no one appreciates my vision? Do I try to change the design to be less suitable for what people actually use it for?
Or do I shrug my shoulders, say 'cool, I am apparently really good at making tractors', and proceed to lean into providing the product I am actually able to find a market for?
The amount of toxic pride a small portion of arrowhead has displayed is truly staggering.
Sure, this isn't the original vision. But it's not like people were spitting at them. People LOVED what they made.
Yes, on some level, arrowhead was wrong. But their 'mistake' was more successful than anyone could ever hope for!
So to be as bitter as some devs on the team clearly were, to remain so fixated on their own vision of what the game should be in their eyes...
That's some 5-year old level of emotional maturity.
If they wanted a harcore milsim they should not have been riffing on starship troopers lol
This is what the original meaning of "The customer is always right _in matters of taste"_ was *supposed* to mean! We dropped the latter half of the phrase because we tend to shorthand a lot of stuff (such as recently, charisma to rizz), leading to the misuse.
That's literally how 5 Nights At Freddy's got made. His original Christian game had creepy animotronics the reviewers noted were creepy and Scott took that as a challenge. It's what peer review and such actually should be doing. Not this modern positive reinforcement stuff that pushes people into careers they actually suck at, but finding their talent by looking at what they produce and pushing into stuff they actually are good at.
This is a definition of the word "toxic" being overused.
Creative pivoting is hard. You need to pivot your entire perspective, from design philosophy to design goal, all while continuing to work your ass off. The amount of mental load in that situation is harsh.
That's very very difficult. Writing it off as the result of "toxic pride" is a fundamentally uninformed perspective.
Ok, let's follow your analogy then.
You set out to build an SUV, and in the process made a vehicle that works as a great tractor. So now you listen to what your farming customers want, and before you know it their requests have Ship-of-Theseus'd your vehicle into being just another tractor the same as every other.
Now the unique appeal of your vehicle is gone.
This whole thing is quite funny, honestly. Arrowhead's motto is "a game for everyone is a game for no one", one of the most common mantras you see in Gamer discourse. That analogy I just gave is literally the reason AAA games are so watered-down and homogenized. It's what all the Gamers _say_ will happen to From Software's games if they ever add an easy mode or even a pause button.
And yet, here we are. Gamer ignorance and hypocrisy at the fore once again. I wonder how long it'll be before the power-creep sets in and players get bored. Next they'll probably ask for more vertical progression. How long until we're Helldiving for color-coded loot? With a Battle Royale mode on the side?
If they get rid of their invasive kernel level anticheat, they'll get even more players.
Who knew that a game is most popular when fun?!
Omg what if the illuminate attack on Liberty Day! October 26th
I think balance in the game should be “using this gun will make you kill this enemy easier and more efficient” rather than “using this gun will be the only way to kill this enemy” reward players for making good decisions rather than punishing players who made bad ones
Cool fact: when you go in game it will show the player count across all platforms, I saw a high peak of 95,700 players. MASSIVE W
Perfect example from yesterday for memorable moments - joined two randoms on a bot defence mission, 15 minute time limit. Set up mortars for ground troops and ourselves with heavy weapons to take down drop ships. Final five mins, without communicating in chat, one guy picks up the recoiless rifle backpack and helps the other guy load, so I put away my weapon and become a spotter for the rest of the game. And it was just a sweet moment of me tagging ships and the other team firing - and it was great to see the recoiless rifle back in action as I've not seen it used since launch when I used to run it with friends on the grind to get better stratagems.
No game sums up "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" more than Helldivers 2.
The difference between team action fantasy and gritty milsim should be expressed in difficulty.
No milsim, just more bugs on higher difficulty
@@OhNoTheFace found the bug fighter
They finally listen to players
As a former chaos diver i am more than happy to return to service after these updates.
imagine, now knowing you're literally driving your game to the ground, too stubborn to listen to other people, and now proven 100% that its the one reason your game are dying.. had to be a massive gut punch to their ego.
Itll definitely be interesting to see the updated % on steamcharts, as the current (outdated) one still reads -26.10% over the last 30 days
Helldivers 2 must be _the_ game to have the most flipflop of opinions on it. It’s goes from “Best game ever!” to “It’s terrible!” and back over and over again! It’s crazy!
Somebody get the "it's over we're back it's so over WE'RE SO BACK!" Meme template out here
The game is absolutely at its best right now. Well done arrowhead
Now these are the Helldivers 2 videos I wonna see more of
helldivers is the "its all over-WE ARE SO BACK!" meme lol
what a surprise, glizzy gladiators were wrong, who could've tell
And the best part, they're already starting to disappear now that they've lost, just as I thought they would
what the hell is a glizzy gladiator?
@@friendlyneighborhoodcombine People who were constantly sucking up/defending AH and their previous horrendous balance changes. Probably opposed the buffs due to ‘making the game too easy.’
@@Joemama-xw2wy this pretty much
@@Joemama-xw2wy oh, those guys
Umm. Did they allow players from other countries to buy and play the game now ? Because seems like everyone forgot that they screwed thousands of people that can't play the game anymore. Any news on that ?
@Zerok147 it's Sony, not them
No
@@Mas_zeppelin yeah, but that doesn't change the fact.
@Zerok147 "they" were not at fault. Edit the comment, at least.
@@Zerok147arrowhead cant really do much
As sony is the publisher
Also if u still own the game despite in a Region lock area, u can still play it
God damn this game is so tumultuous in the best way possible. Im glad the players arent just completely off this game and they come back when they hit the mark. The devs are really trying and its cool to see that reciprocated.
"I have a vision about a gorilla fighting on a mountain and painted this painting."
*During an art venue show*
- What a beautiful self portrait of the painter! I'll buy it for $100,000, are you willing?
"Of course, I had a vision from my childhood about my experiences on a mountain - it's the conception of my original vision. Gorilla? Are you blind or kicked in the head?"
jesse what the fuck are you talking about - mr white
Any word on Discord ideologues and community manager, random bannings etc
I'm so HAPPY it's back!! and people DARED saying it was DEAD. HELLDIVERS LET'S GOOO!! Jokes aside, AH is a lovely company. One of my favorite gaming companies.
Anyone said the game is dead is pulling out of their ass. Wrong direction is more of corrected words. 20k - 30k before the update is not bad for live service game. They forgot that Sony blocked tons of countries because of their PSN bullshit, which further limit the potential players.
All and all, HD2 is doing very well
@@shirokatatsu5886 I agree fully man. But yes! HD2 is doing amazing!
I hope we can get an update where a squad can build defensive structures and maybe have bigger battles with more than 4 players.
sounds like you just want starship troopers extermination lmao. that would be cool though
Games like the EDF series prioritized wacky fun over hardline balance, and it earned them a hardcore cult following. Albeit, their games haven't changed that much so there's that counterpoint.
It's so obvious that they take huge inspiration from these dated games yet it bothers me how off-target they were when they aimed for fun in the previous patches.
They currently have 10 difficulty levels to play with, but at least the bottom 5 of them are so easy and unrewarding that almost nobody bothers with playing them. That leaves just 5 levels that have to go from "fairly easy" to "very difficult". If they properly adjusted the difficulty of those levels, they would have an easier time balancing the gear in the game.
I'm just gonna correct you on that bit 3 and below do have a purpose and that is farming for super credits
As someone who plays solo, that isn't true. 5 is typically incredibly challenging (probably equally as challenging as 7 or even 8 with a squad), but you don't get the rewards needed to progress the game. That makes no sense to me. Taking on content that is harder than what some squads face yet NEVER get the materials needed to make progress.
Honestly people were just on difficulty 10 when they should have been on difficulty 6 that's where most of the problems come from
Oh, so they actually turned this game around huh? Good to hear!
My guess is it probably still sucks for solo players, and is still unplayable as certain materials don't drop on levels solo players are able to handle. I wouldn't mind if playing solo meant I had to grind longer than with group play, but the fact certain materials won't drop at all obviously is a deal breaker.
@@1_underthesun First of all, it's a coop multiplayer game, of course it's not specifically designed for solo play. Second, any difficulty can be handled solo, just a matter of experience and skill. Yes, you won't be able to clear every nest & side objective, but finishing the mission and extracting with some samples is quite doable.
I hope that internally, the persons responsible for all those nerfs, are getting accountable for the mistake.
I like my Libertea sweet and hot.. not cold and lifeless, and guess what? HELLDIVERS 2 COOKED WITH THIS UPDATE! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO :D
This is great! One of the issues I had with the game is you didn't really want to mix up your load out which made it a bit dull after 100 hours. I think it's time I jumped back in.
I played again. It was fun. But it's still only a game you can only play a couple missions before it gets boring and repetitive. But it's nice to get off work, play a couple missions, then do something else.
They got scared of Space Marines and realized they should do what the community wants not what Alex wants to do the game.
Fire that dude
@@itachi93674 who is this Alex person and why is he living rent free in everyone’s minds?
@EBarracuda he is a dev who previously worked on a game called Hello Neighbor 2, and during the development of that game had a noticeable anti player fun sentiment. Since that game bombed it came out he was working in balancing for helldivers 2 specifically during the period where they nerfed a ton of weapons simply because they were commonly used.
Nah, it was because the CCO got back from his vacation so Alex couldn't get away with his BS.
Yeah it's unbelieveable he is allowed to work anywhere after openly stating he is against players having fun.
I wouldn't say that space marines balance is really bad apparently all the guns feel bad incept like 2 or 3...basically helldivers 2 on release
My biggest want for difficulty is: more. More enemies. Overwhelm me. Absolutely swarm me in enemies that I can kill in the high hundreds and still have more to kill.
I like the idea of properly managing your ammo/magazines, rather than reloading after every shot because there's no downsides. I wish more games handled ammo left in the magazine the same way.
It took them how long to understand that people don’t want “balance”, they want to kill bugs and robots.
What I love about this patch is that heavy targets are actually pretty damageable by a lot of weapons, but they have so much HP that its far more effective to just use the specialised weapons.
Like sure, I can stunlock and kill a charger with the Arc Thrower, but it will also take me half a minute. I can do that 1v1. I cant do that on higher difficulties. But Arc Thrower keeping 3 chargers in place while I call in a 500kg? That feels amazing.
Or the Spore Spewers. 500kg doesnt oneshot it, but 500kg + a mag of the Tenderizer? That thing go crumbling down.
Im legitimately happy they listened. I understand wanting balance but for games that are PvE with friends, feeling powerful against enemies is VERY important
how is the balance worse now
@@Leo.23232 it's way better now, every time the players would find a usefulness kit it would get nerfed, it felt like a punishment for finding the fun
@@Arcademan09 the way you wrote yours comment implied the balance was worse now
@@Leo.23232 ??? I said "I'm happy they listened", I'm not sure how you missed that but ok
@@Arcademan09 'i understand balance is important BUT' this implies it
AH messed up selling us some what of a power fantasy to rip it out from underneath us. I don’t think this game would’ve been as popular if they sold their vision from the start. Mushy feeling guns are not fun to use. Getting ass blasted every dive is not fun.
This was a great step in the right direction. When people say just play on lower difficulties. But you get barely anything for your time. It’s a complete waste of time.
This is the best time for Arrowhead to have turned this car around.
04:15 "I could see a game designer cry at this"
Games are made for their players to enjoy, not for some game designer to pat themselves on their own back for how well they managed to "balance" the game. So they can go cry all they want.
In this aspect, I am really glad Arrowhead turned around. Let's hope they maintain this course and don't regress back to their old ways by this time next year.
For democracy brothers . SES patriot of patriotism
Go figure, making your game fun gets players back.
They were idiots trying to super balance the power fantasy anyways. Hard counters are stupid and not fun unless you are an RTS
I have zero confidence left in these devs. They've violated the trust of their player base multiple times and no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt.
@@paulturner4684 What? When?
Who could have guessed that playing an movie-accurate game version of Starship Troopers is not fun for most people?! And that actively taking away the fun stuff makes people stop giving your company money and time!
I left right around when we turned a planet into a Black Hole and didn't really look back. It'll still be a bit before i can really come back, but this update is in the right direction and once i have some more free time cleared up, I'm absolutely diving back in!
another fun fact - this amputee thing in the original starship troopers and leaned in on in this game, is a direct shot at the pledge to the flag schoolkids in america have to do every morning.
... I haven't the slightest clue what you're on about with that Doom 2016-Eternal comparison. They sold about the same, Eternal had a higher peak concurrent players, Eternal had more staying power/less dropoff after release...
Like yes, one is high octane with craploads of movement tech and abilties and weapon combos and the other is much more harkening back to boomer shooters with a good bit more punch with a couple modernized mechanics.
But like... They had about the same amount of appeal and many playerd that played one played the other.
They seem to have added a lot more spawns/faster spawns to compensate difficulty, as well as boosted enemies damage. You kill stuff fast now, and you have a constant stream of stuff to kill, which is awesome. However, you have a constant stream of stuff to kill, so if you make a mistake, you get overwhelmed and die. Way more fun version of difficulty than just tanky enemies.
I will say that I was astonished to see 70,000+ players the day of the update
According to steam. It only got about 8k players back on. The fact of the matter is that people have moved on. Hopefully they can get more when they drop something new
I switched to Scorcher / Spray&Pray. Also people are using different stratagems. Finally some fresh wind, we are not forced to run one meta anymore.
They can just add more enemies. Weapons will still feel good to use, but now there are more targets out to kill you.
Performance targets don't make this as trivial as it seems
That's not how games are balanced. Likely they have as many enemies on screen as they're able to handle to meet their optimization minimums.
The new update makes chaos divers even more powerful
Don't forget that helldivers 2 is having an anniversary in October for democracy
Helldivers 2 did not "become a live service" it has always been so. That is why the game turned to trash. They "live serviced" it into the ground by nerfing and nerfing and nerfing the game until they had removed the entertainment that so many people had gotten from their initial purchase. I do not care even a little bit about what their "vision" for the game is. They sold a product then changed the product until it was nearly unrecognizable. Only going back on that because people were rightly disappointed. I hope this turns the game back around and returns the entertainment people had paid for to those customers. I just don't trust them not to completely ignore their paying customers again whenever it suits them to do so.
My problem with most "difficulty" in games is the cliche of the bullet-sponge. Difficulty should be a matter of three factors: Aggression, abilities, numbers.
Aggression variance can be things like detection range, speed, and cone. As well as delay between actions taken and how many overlapping mob actions are allowed.
Abilities variance should simply be different mob abilities depending on difficulty, and ideally with some being used in multiple or all difficulties. Abilities used in multiple difficulties could have different timings as well.
Numbers are merely how many mobs are spawned in via scripting. More for higher difficulty. Can also be more challenging mobs, but they remain statistically consistent regardless of difficulty.
I feel the "bullet-sponge" concept should've died back in the arcades where it came from.
While I agree with the sentiment that the player base should have input in an online game. This only works once the player base has died down to its core players.
EDIT: by core players I mean the players that want the game to succeed and not treat it like a fad of the week
You mean the ones so entrenched that would take anything?
@@OhNoTheFace those vocal core players are how we got this patch to begin with.
@@OP10thNakama There were still a lot of people who were riding Arrowhead super hard, and thought they could do no wrong. Those are the only players that would be left if Arrowhead didn't go through with the 60-day plan, and those are the core players you are talking about.
What? Didn't the CEO said something like "If you don't like it don't play it"? I thought they would never give the players what they want
Also some of their helldivers discord mods really need to be investigated, their computer searched and fired from the company, they created an ecgo chamber inside their server and don't allow any negativity and criticism.
That wasn't Johan, that was spitz
@@Dumb-Comment That was a discord mod
From what i understand
Thode mods are handled through sony
Theyre just there to give dev feedback, and they do have handbooks by arrowhead on what to do but they ignore it anyways
That comment you made about the game basically having reversed direction from launch - that struck me, because the number of companies or games that have managed that sort of shift without falling apart are so few.
I really think Arrowhead are going up in the world. The current crop of 'big game companies' are floundering aimlessly, and I think they'll be pushed out by the AA's who show up and eat their lunch.
i hope they do two things
raids. these are not your typical raids, isntead, you need to either split up and take on smaller targets first to make the big one easier (which is needed for higher difficulties) but you need to be experienced enough to do so. afterwards you take on the bigger objectives together.
new type missions, defend (like in space marine 2) hoards of monsters come in BUT cooldowns go down faster during these moments or INCREASE. make it more difficult for the player to respond.
evacuation point changes. oh oh. you're at the end? too bad, the evacuation point changed, you better go run down that way, oeps.
random increase in ammunition, you call down a nuke? its two nukes, have fun.
these types of missions are only available to serve a purpose, think of "ok, we need this planet liberated or destroyed" kind of planets.
This is what i was asking for for a while. Weapon damage on, basically everything, felt nonexistent.
They're headed in the right direction but they've still got work to do. We'll see how it goes.
They knowingly went ott with them nerfs and didn't make the necessary amendments in the hopes no one noticed.
And only balanced properly when the backlash happened.
I want Left 4 Dead 2 in space with bugs and terminators. I want to be overrun and die in a blaze of glory, not walled into oblivion. Not power fantasy, but I want to be able to deal with anything that comes my way with whatever I have. If my loadout is better in the situation I'm in then all the better. I don't think a mob grinder game should be so stiff in it's rulesets when you'll be facing everything at some point and you won't have everything at your disposal, people die, people leave, people will be people. These are good changes.
Sony REALLY should just allow those people in those other countries just buy and play the damn game without a PS account. It would be a GREAT goodwill move and it would add a LOT of players
It's not about the difficulty. Its about how the gamę feels.
DS feels good, it's Vibe, marketing and gameplay flow togather seemlessly. It's brutal but if you excell with your skill you can overcome everything. Meanwhile in HD we had a crash between mechanics, promotional materials and Vibe of the game. If you want us to feel expendable send 32 of us on a single mission, make stratagems less available to singular characters and only than should you ever make guns feel weak.
After playing against bugs for a few days i can say that this patch is a huge improvlemnt, but not perfect. Currently HP is bugged so limbs take extra damage, making divers far more squishy. But when compaired with how the bugs are now more squishy it balances out nicely. You have the tools to stay on top of things, but if you dont then you get punished for it. It feels like i can take any tool into any situation and have a chance to survive, but if i stick to a weapons strengths and my teamates strengths then we can survive anything.
I wouldn't have minded a Rock, Paper, Scissors style of play if there were more viable options. Prior to this patch, 2/3rds of the available primaries were outright useless. Half of the support weapons couldn't effectively counter the things they were supposed to counter. Flame weapons didn't even function correctly while also looking like dogshit visually. There were only 2 grenades worth taking. And anytime the playerbase gravitated toward a particular weapon because it actually did its job effectively, it would get nerfed. It created a frustrating gameplay loop of kiting the enemy in circles while waiting for strategems to come off cooldown, since the weapons in your hands were practically worthless. It wasn't Rock, Paper, Scissors gameplay, it was "You have paper, and the enemy has a rocket launcher."
They still need to deep clean their discord mods, and we must NOT FORGET the nerf rampage they went on. They will go back
Honestly the game should be able to have booth. With its already present dificultly system and some very precise balancing the game can maintain that brutality at higher dificultlys.
No it can't people would immediately go to the highest difficulty play it get curved stomped and cry
Wow
Listening to your players gets good results, who would have thought?
Nice to know its playable again. It should never have been missmanaged to this point. Them saving themselves from the chopping block isnt praise worthy. Itll be a long time until they rebuild the trust they burned.
Atm the game isnt worth investing in when its this swingy.
The main issue that will keep people from every coming back or ever playing is the Sony PSN account requirement and the countries blocked from ever buying the game... Sony will never lift this requirement as they then lose all the control and DATA that they wanna sell for profit.
I like a mix of both, I like to have the power fantasy of killing tones of bugs and bots. But also having to manage it. Give me the feeling that I’m taking out the hoard but if I mess up I can easily be destroyed. By introducing new enemies and challenges is how we bring in the difficulty
Who's ready for some Calamary on the Creek.
As long as all my friends are region-blocked from playing Helldivers 2, this change means nothing to me or them.
How do most of you guys still making profit? Even with the downturn of economy and ever increasing life standards
What is this question? They're out here everyday pumping out videos, getting sponsors, doing their Patreon, and they released a game last year that sold well...
Devs should make a cape out of this and call it "Democracy Heights"
I thouroughly enjoy this update, I certainly don't want the game to be too easy but that's what we have difficulties for, they should be tuned in a way that's fun AND challenging.
It was never a hard / punishing game. It was tedious. There was no challenge, no skill to test yourself. It was just damage sponges.
Now its fun
I disagree with 2 points
1) what hurt the game alot was most of the primary weapons felt bad to use. It sucks when you get attached to a comfort load out and then find it sucks now, espically when you're playing with a group.
2) dark souls does have an easy mode. It's called coop. And from software did cater in a sense they just did it right. As the games went on they made getting into coop easier and in elden ring they expanded on this by making spirit ashes.
Imo what we had here was a vision muddled by close mindedness. As with everything in life you need to be flexible as we said in the USMC. Semper Gumby
Let this be a lesson to all devs with multiplayer games.
The sweaty 3000hr+ tryhards who do nothing but run loops of endgame content are a super minority of your average player base and what they complain about or want is (in most cases) totally irrelevant to what 90% of the actual player base wants.
Catering to them will usually just kill your game, less invested players will simply leave for something more fun. People want challenge, not a battle of wills with the devs to see who gets frustrated and gives up first.
Ignore the sweaty metagamers, get 400% more people playing, most of them are probably people who are coming back after previously quitting.
I would overlook your nonsensical take on starship trooper, but won't overlook my duty with the democracy officer.