Not sure if you are still doing anything with this now, but I read an interesting study that suggested using used cooking oil in place of water in a packed bed wet scrubber system with wood chips. The advantage being improved scrubbing efficiency and the fact that the filter material can then be used in the gassifier as a producer source, completely recycling the scrubber medium.
Definitely interesting. I can see that would work pretty good. I’m guessing it would come down to cost. I liked what I used with antifreeze especially in the winter. I’m also thinken with oil will be a little more viscosity when cold and should need more of a suction for the gas to be vacuumed. Interesting to do some experimenting. When I did my test I know that these machines are very finicky with air fluid flow through the system. Thanks for sharing
I don't totally believe you , I have to try it myself. Your set up looks like you know what your doing , so I kinda believe you . Thanks for your hard work,you made mine easier. ❤️
Would love to have a list of all materials used, and of course measurements, that is a great system you have there, I am planning on building a scrubber just like yours, but instead of cleaning gas, I will use it to clean nitric acid fumes, so any help you could get me as far as sort of a blueprint would be greatly appreciated.
Luis Ochoa Hey bud I basically used the same design of that of flash001usa he has a site that should help you out for now. Unfortunately I don't have this unit anymore but some day I will make another one more compact. I wish you all the best
Thank you for your reply, I will be looking for his design online, and I am just actually interested in the filtering part, that was a great idea you had there!!
Luis Ochoa sorry bud failed to mention flash uses filter media for his stuff. All I did was use antifreeze coolant when the gass flows through the pipe, on the top I have it spraying down on the middle of the sink drain. Most important part is when the coolant and gas flow together they have to be forced together by the holes in the sink drain via suction this cleans the gas by Venturi effect I will sent you another link which shows this buddy
Luis Ochoa ruclips.net/video/epq4-0VVCME/видео.html here is the link you will get the idea from this, as you will see the sink drain works kinda the same way hope that helps bud
Hello, nice idea, but how to know when water becomes dirty and how to remove dirt from it? Have you tried cyclone separator? It would be great to compare two. Greetings
For the return line of the antifreeze / water I used clear vinyl tubing to see the appearance of the liquid. If it’s dirty I just drain it. Cyclone separator could be plausible but I never tried it. 😉
Hey nice work on a scrubber have you tried a sprinkler nozzle might capture more tar out of the gas, most industrial scrubbers use sprinkler nozzles. I work in the potash world and our scrubbers work great. Just a thought let me know what you think I’m in the works of building a gasifier right now and live the idea. The duke
Josefppaz How long have you tested your wet scrubber for how long of periods? I figure as long as the suction fan is not strong enough and Is not taking the moisture along with it, it should work. Thanks for the quick response, I am building a down draft style. The Duke
Canadian Duke testing was not too long maybe a hour or so but this is a link ruclips.net/video/epq4-0VVCME/видео.html when I first saw a wet scrubber venturi effect. I love the fact that it forces the gas to be cleaned. Never really liked the saw dust or rain on were I feel it doesn’t force clean. And this is so much easier to clean and replace water or in cold climates antifreeze
i like this man, have you thought of turning the scrubber sideways with a tank under it that all the particulate could drop down into ?drill holes across the side of your PVC and seal it to a small tank or maybe another length of PVC with capped ends
No my friend I haven’t thought of that usually when the smoke goes through the Venturi with the antifreeze does a great job. I did not get to many particles but the antifreeze would have to be changed from time to time
Fantástico trabajo es una gran reto usar la bio.masa pero reducir al máximo la contaminación pero el proceso Scrubber es muy util en esta tarea a mi se me ocurre que puedo instalar un equipo asi en mi camioneta buen tema saludos desde Iztapalapa Ciudad de México.
Should scrub it,then feed it back through,heat it up to dry it and then cool it,water in the cooler may come out much cleaner. Not sure about it but would it be easier to vaporize the water,catch the smoke in it and then cool it? Already have a system built you can experiment with. I'd think it would be easier to cool water vapor and collect it then try to filter out smoke. I'm going to try spraying heated water into a cyclone(using heat already being produced to make steam will do away with a water pump)plus it can be trapped and recycled easier than filter medium.
Patriotic American it’s always fun to experiment try it out see what happens but absolutely I like the water cleaner then dry filter media I find it needs more vacuum to get the gas out and it can clog the system more then the water cleaner
mazdalorean sorry man not sure if I answered this one yet. I have run my 5 1/2 hp engine just fine works like a dream. I have made a servo acting carb for my mazda 3. I have tried this already but didn't work to well. Big reason why too little woodgas from the gasifier lol I know the engine needs a lot. I just thought I had to try it to see if it would at least at idle, lol. I took the fuse out of the fuse box for the fuel injectors made a switch with it including the fuse, for a shut off to see if it would run on the wood gas. But I know guys are running newer cars on this I just don't know how they bypass the computers so well. Maybe I should make another video on what I did with the car. This would be the ultimate goal. its so easy to have a generator run on wood. But to run the car seems a little more complicated with the newer cars, but I will figure it out soon lol
***** check out the vids by wkweasel. He is using a newer truck than most (2000 dakota with the 4.7 V8) , and is dealing with a lot of the same issues.
I guess he is putting it in storage or selling it. He said coil pack 4.7 motor in the Dodge is the worst one I could have picked to gasifiy timing issues. So he is going to use chevy 5.3 looks like he has a awesome set up.
Kaui Trainer absolutely you can use that idea as a heat exchanger but I would not do this inside the gasifire it’s self only when the gas has exited the gasified for cooling. The main purpose to use the antifreeze is for when the machine is not used the water would not freeze in winter operations hope this helps and great idea :)
I'm interested in the cooling effect of the water scrubber. Have you taken any temp readings at the inlet and outlet? Could you minimize the size of a pre cooler (radiator) with this? Kudos on tour set up from Texas, USA.
Hi Larry sadly I didn't get any temp readings the whole system was for cooling but I know that the water or the antifreeze coolant did amazing and I am sure it would do an amazing job for you too man, I used antifreeze only because I live in a cold climate so the water would only be used in the summer months. To minimize it I think would be fine its all about experimenting my friend
Thanks for the quick reply. I am in the planning stages right now and am looking to do a system which will maximize gas output but take up as little space as possible. I like the idea of a fogger system for particulate filtering but my thinking is that it will also do wonders to cool the gas. I'll let you know hoe it turns out. Thanks for the great idea.
Douglas McLeod hi Douglas absolutely I thought of the bubble design. I find that with my design the water and gas has to come together to Merge more tightly and creating more of a friction for cleaning the bubbler would work too but I find it would not be as effective and depending on bubbler size you may need a lot more suction for the gas to go through the system. :)
A long water column of water and coolant would be more effective with 3 lays of sink strainer spaced threw out forcing the bubbles to seperate...would cause more scrubbing and mor cleaning action with out pumps... simple and nothing to break min maintenance.. no addition power required also
@@Josefppaz abuubler would scrub the gass better as you have more water surface scrubbing as the bubbles float up...also having strainers or grates would breathe bubbles up
henri I found I needed more suction with the bubble design although it’s great but i find with this Venturi effect has less water less suction needed. I know some guys use a rain method aswell but it doesn’t force gas’s and water together as much the a Venturi method. These are just my thoughts experimenting with all ideas I found this way takes the cake.
@@Josefppaz I think the the trick to you suction problem is to let the gass enter from the bottom of the bubbler...let gravity do the work as bubbles rise to the top. Water column does not need to tall 6" but several in series.
Great filter man! For some reason I haven't been getting these new videos. I'll get these videos linked to the website as soon as I get a chance to.
+flash001USA Thanks Flash, I know I think google plus , youtube may have some bugs I get the same with messages. Great to hear from you man.
Josef - wonderful! Just wonderful! Thank you for the post!
Not sure if you are still doing anything with this now, but I read an interesting study that suggested using used cooking oil in place of water in a packed bed wet scrubber system with wood chips. The advantage being improved scrubbing efficiency and the fact that the filter material can then be used in the gassifier as a producer source, completely recycling the scrubber medium.
Definitely interesting. I can see that would work pretty good. I’m guessing it would come down to cost. I liked what I used with antifreeze especially in the winter. I’m also thinken with oil will be a little more viscosity when cold and should need more of a suction for the gas to be vacuumed. Interesting to do some experimenting. When I did my test I know that these machines are very finicky with air fluid flow through the system. Thanks for sharing
I don't totally believe you , I have to try it myself. Your set up looks like you know what your doing , so I kinda believe you . Thanks for your hard work,you made mine easier. ❤️
Maitland Moore that’s what i love about RUclips it’s all about sharing thoughts hope it works out for ya man it did for me.
Thank you for posting this. Great idea, and we will be doing the same as you.
Glad it helped you out cheers
Excellent.. almost exactly what i have been thinking about... glad you cautioned on anti-freeze animal dangers! cheers!
Im happy this helped you out buddy cheers
@@Josefppaz It was something I knew would work.. but nice to have tested and confirmed ahead of you on a build. cheers!
Very smart, and so wonderfully simple too :) .
It is amazing what you can do with standard household items, when your imagination is engaged :) .
Big thanks
Would love to have a list of all materials used, and of course measurements, that is a great system you have there, I am planning on building a scrubber just like yours, but instead of cleaning gas, I will use it to clean nitric acid fumes, so any help you could get me as far as sort of a blueprint would be greatly appreciated.
Luis Ochoa
Hey bud I basically used the same design of that of flash001usa he has a site that should help you out for now. Unfortunately I don't have this unit anymore but some day I will make another one more compact. I wish you all the best
Thank you for your reply, I will be looking for his design online, and I am just actually interested in the filtering part, that was a great idea you had there!!
Luis Ochoa sorry bud failed to mention flash uses filter media for his stuff. All I did was use antifreeze coolant when the gass flows through the pipe, on the top I have it spraying down on the middle of the sink drain. Most important part is when the coolant and gas flow together they have to be forced together by the holes in the sink drain via suction this cleans the gas by Venturi effect I will sent you another link which shows this buddy
Luis Ochoa ruclips.net/video/epq4-0VVCME/видео.html here is the link you will get the idea from this, as you will see the sink drain works kinda the same way hope that helps bud
This Is wonderful... Thank you!
Thank you glad you enjoyed
Nicely done
Thanks bud
Hello, nice idea, but how to know when water becomes dirty and how to remove dirt from it?
Have you tried cyclone separator? It would be great to compare two.
Greetings
For the return line of the antifreeze / water I used clear vinyl tubing to see the appearance of the liquid. If it’s dirty I just drain it. Cyclone separator could be plausible but I never tried it. 😉
@@Josefppaz Thanks, keep it up, very important topic for the times we live in
Hey nice work on a scrubber have you tried a sprinkler nozzle might capture more tar out of the gas, most industrial scrubbers use sprinkler nozzles. I work in the potash world and our scrubbers work great. Just a thought let me know what you think I’m in the works of building a gasifier right now and live the idea.
The duke
Canadian Duke thanks Duke
Josefppaz How long have you tested your wet scrubber for how long of periods? I figure as long as the suction fan is not strong enough and Is not taking the moisture along with it, it should work. Thanks for the quick response, I am building a down draft style.
The Duke
Canadian Duke testing was not too long maybe a hour or so but this is a link ruclips.net/video/epq4-0VVCME/видео.html when I first saw a wet scrubber venturi effect. I love the fact that it forces the gas to be cleaned. Never really liked the saw dust or rain on were I feel it doesn’t force clean. And this is so much easier to clean and replace water or in cold climates antifreeze
Just spectacular.
i like this man, have you thought of turning the scrubber sideways with a tank under it that all the particulate could drop down into ?drill holes across the side of your PVC and seal it to a small tank or maybe another length of PVC with capped ends
No my friend I haven’t thought of that usually when the smoke goes through the Venturi with the antifreeze does a great job. I did not get to many particles but the antifreeze would have to be changed from time to time
Fantástico trabajo es una gran reto usar la bio.masa pero reducir al máximo la contaminación pero el proceso Scrubber es muy util en esta tarea a mi se me ocurre que puedo instalar un equipo asi en mi camioneta buen tema saludos desde Iztapalapa Ciudad de México.
antonio osorio Muchas gracias amigo
Should scrub it,then feed it back through,heat it up to dry it and then cool it,water in the cooler may come out much cleaner.
Not sure about it but would it be easier to vaporize the water,catch the smoke in it and then cool it?
Already have a system built you can experiment with. I'd think it would be easier to cool water vapor and collect it then try to filter out smoke. I'm going to try spraying heated water into a cyclone(using heat already being produced to make steam will do away with a water pump)plus it can be trapped and recycled easier than filter medium.
Patriotic American it’s always fun to experiment try it out see what happens but absolutely I like the water cleaner then dry filter media I find it needs more vacuum to get the gas out and it can clog the system more then the water cleaner
No concerns pulling methane and hydrogen through a shopvac?
Do you have designs on the filter system that you would share?
No particular design just the video. Should work for anyone. I never made any drawings
@@Josefppaz yeah just hoping to make it faster was all. Thank you for sharing what you did. Have a blessed day
@@cmwatcds1 glad to have helped 🙂
Thanks for the tour. Have you run an engine yet? What do you plan on running?
mazdalorean sorry man not sure if I answered this one yet. I have run my 5 1/2 hp engine just fine works like a dream.
I have made a servo acting carb for my mazda 3. I have tried this already but didn't work to well. Big reason why too little woodgas from the gasifier lol I know the engine needs a lot. I just thought I had to try it to see if it would at least at idle, lol. I took the fuse out of the fuse box for the fuel injectors made a switch with it including the fuse, for a shut off to see if it would run on the wood gas. But I know guys are running newer cars on this I just don't know how they bypass the computers so well. Maybe I should make another video on what I did with the car. This would be the ultimate goal. its so easy to have a generator run on wood. But to run the car seems a little more complicated with the newer cars, but I will figure it out soon lol
***** check out the vids by wkweasel. He is using a newer truck than most (2000 dakota with the 4.7 V8) , and is dealing with a lot of the same issues.
I guess he is putting it in storage or selling it. He said coil pack 4.7 motor in the Dodge is the worst one I could have picked to gasifiy timing issues. So he is going to use chevy 5.3
looks like he has a awesome set up.
would the heated air keep the water from freezing, so you wouldnʻt have to use antifreeze?
Kaui Trainer absolutely you can use that idea as a heat exchanger but I would not do this inside the gasifire it’s self only when the gas has exited the gasified for cooling. The main purpose to use the antifreeze is for when the machine is not used the water would not freeze in winter operations hope this helps and great idea :)
I'm interested in the cooling effect of the water scrubber. Have you taken any temp readings at the inlet and outlet? Could you minimize the size of a pre cooler (radiator) with this? Kudos on tour set up from Texas, USA.
Hi Larry sadly I didn't get any temp readings the whole system was for cooling but I know that the water or the antifreeze coolant did amazing and I am sure it would do an amazing job for you too man, I used antifreeze only because I live in a cold climate so the water would only be used in the summer months. To minimize it I think would be fine its all about experimenting my friend
Thanks for the quick reply. I am in the planning stages right now and am looking to do a system which will maximize gas output but take up as little space as possible. I like the idea of a fogger system for particulate filtering but my thinking is that it will also do wonders to cool the gas. I'll let you know hoe it turns out. Thanks for the great idea.
wouldnt it be easier to just bubble the gas thru a water container ?
Douglas McLeod hi Douglas absolutely I thought of the bubble design. I find that with my design the water and gas has to come together to
Merge more tightly and creating more of a friction for cleaning the bubbler would work too but I find it would not be as effective and depending on bubbler size you may need a lot more suction for the gas to go through the system. :)
A long water column of water and coolant would be more effective with 3 lays of sink strainer spaced threw out forcing the bubbles to seperate...would cause more scrubbing and mor cleaning action with out pumps... simple and nothing to break min maintenance.. no addition power required also
@@Josefppaz abuubler would scrub the gass better as you have more water surface scrubbing as the bubbles float up...also having strainers or grates would breathe bubbles up
henri I found I needed more suction with the bubble design although it’s great but i find with this Venturi effect has less water less suction needed. I know some guys use a rain method aswell but it doesn’t force gas’s and water together as much the a Venturi method. These are just my thoughts experimenting with all ideas I found this way takes the cake.
@@Josefppaz
I think the the trick to you suction problem is to let the gass enter from the bottom of the bubbler...let gravity do the work as bubbles rise to the top.
Water column does not need to tall 6" but several in series.
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