It’s kinda crazy how junko’s boyfriend stands up for hachi and understands her more than junko herself. the girl who’s been friends with hachi since highschool doesn’t understand her more than her own boyfriend does-
Personally, I didn’t like Junko at all. I truly believe she only continued to be “friends” with Hachi to feel superior to someone. There’s a difference between being honest/straight to the point, and just being insensitive and she was insensitive. It was also extremely frustrating how prior to the breakup, Hachi was being shamed for not having any independence and it being “too much” for Shoji (despite it being like a few days that she had even gotten to Tokyo so she hadn’t even settled in yet), but once she secured a job, got a new circle of friends, and an apartment, her newfound independence was used against her and was the supposed reason as to why Shoji cheated.
to be honest, Kyosuke was also in the wrong. He saw Shoji cheating with sachiko FIRST and he didn't scold him, instead he said "hey Sa-chan :)" to Sachiko and later told Junko that she was cute too. Yeah, he did not scold Nana like Junko did, but he was not a good friend either, both Kyosuke and Junko took Shoji's side because they thought Nana did not treat Shoji right, even though she just moved in for him to Tokyo, got an apartment and a job all by herself and was adjusting to everything... They were good friends to her in some situations, but not people who TRULY cared about her wellbeing at all, compared to NanaO. They saw her as a burden and excused their actions towards her because they believed all along that Nana was the problem. Which she was, but along with Shoji too. So yeah, not a big fan of Junko OR Kyosuke.
I wouldn’t say she tried to defend it because sis did tell Shoji to tell Nana straight up he’s seeing another girl. I feel she didn’t want to be biased towards the situation because Nana and shoji are both her friends and nobody likes being stuck in the middle of a situation like that
@SBZmike. My thing is: if Junko really was trying to see both sides, why would she pin the blame on Hachi for Shoji cheating on her. I mean it's one thing to understand that Shoji felt neglected in his relationship, but it's another to pin the blame for his cheating on Hachi and downplay the betrayal she felt.
Imagine knowing a person like Nana, being the "best friend", at the beginning normal but after years exhausting to watch a "toxic" person damaging herself who never listened to you, considering that they weren't "soulmates" like Nana, Shin or Shoin
@@josef.ramoss.8457She still a bad friend. When Shoji cheated, June should've told Hachi the truth instead of using the possibility of a broken heart as an excuse. A real friend tells the truth regardless of one's feelings, and helps them heal by navigating right from wrong. Same goes for her friendship with Hachi. If June was more clear about how exhausting it was having to deal with the mess Hachi creates, I can guarantee you Hachi would've made a change like we see her do later in the show. Now because June always wants to be the bigger person she'll stick with Hachi just to tell her off. Even her own boyfriend sides with Hachi most of the time. The fact that she couldn't believe it when Hachi scored with Nana and Takumi, like it's impossible or something, shows that she has some sort of animosity towards her. Although not admitting it, she gets her ego bruised when Hachi seems to be figuring out her questionable choices - and claims to be proud of her, while continuing to gossip with Shoji and Kyosuke. That for me is the embodiment of a fake friend.
@@misspiggysdimples Junk was more friend of Sochi than Nana, considering she never respected her as a decent person and her own cold personality. I won't deny she still feel better for having someone "worse than her".
I HATE how Junko blames Hachi for getting cheated on with the excuse of "you're not making as much time for Shoji." But she literally MOVED to Tokyo to be with him!! And then she only moved out and became roommates with Nana cause she didn't want to be a burden to Shoji and Junko herself has always told Hachi she isn't responsible or mature enough. So Hachi matured and got her own apartment and job in Tokyo and became more independent. Like I really feel like Junko only stayed friends with Hachi, despite being annoyed with her at times, because it made her feel better about her own intelligence when being around someone whom she deemed as less intelligent and less mature than her. Their friendship reminds me of those between two girls where one is insecure while the other girl feeds off her insecurities to feel more confident in herself.
Hachi had her feelings constantly neglected throughout the whole show, always someone blaming her for wanting to be loved, telling her she's selfish even though she put others first and was right when doubting someone's intentions etc. That's why she made wrong choices later on. And this Junko witch... Ugh!
I always thought it was weird how she defended Shoji actions and made Hachi feel worse about the cheating. Which enabled her to start spiraling of how she viewed herself. Granted Hachi already was already that way, that situation and how Junko made her feel didnt help at all. Especially how she looked down on her and the remarks she made about her before. **Also! Your video kinda inspires me to make a quick video like this talking about Nana Anime while finishing up this painting of my favorite characters of Nana**
All these years, rewatching this series for the eleven hundredth time, I still never understood why Junko fake *ss never just cut ties with Nana K. from the jump if she couldn't stand her that much. I mean, it was always obvious she was annoyed and exhausted by her, so why not just leave? Was it that she didn't wanna feel guilty? Was it her superiority complex? I mean, you went off to go play wifey for a year with a man who's entire style you jacked and now you an expert on life and love? Girl, you're empty inside and you were just waiting on an opportunity let your grievances out on somebody who you looked down on, just because they were living their best most passionate life and starting to win without your help or influence. Not. That. Girl.
Even though they didn’t know each other that long, Nana O. tried handling the discovery of Shoji and Sachiko as best she could, urging Hachiko to fight and not lose a person she loved, while Junko blamed Hachiko more than Shoji…bich move imo…
Ugh yes she’s such a toxic horrible friend. I don’t care how much Haichi may have took Shoji for granted, victim blaming her for his cheating was soooo gross!! And she liked Takumi. L!
Maybe Junko should have been with Takumi instead of Kyosuke, since she liked him that much. Hachi deserved to be with Nobu. He was the best choice for Hachi.
What bugs me is that they consider telling Hachi, only to be all “we can’t help her grieve” And it’s like, wouldn’t it help her if a friend was there to tell her Shoji was stupid for that? Like even if they want to stay friends with shoji, they could rightfully shit on him for it and leave it at that. You know, the same way Junko does with anything Hachi does? Hachi just needed to drop her old friend group, cause they weren’t good to her
Yes!! Thank you!! I’ve been saying this for ages, she literally blamed Nana for her boyfriend cheating on her when all she ever did was try to make him happy and justifies all his other toxic behaviour. She sucks so much I hate her
Ikr? Like she makes her look like she is a villain, while she was the real perpetrator and villain herself. This is called internalised misogyny. Men may hate on women, but they also treat each other horribly.
I just started Nana and I passed the cheating episode. When I tell you I wanted to jump through the screen and beat Junko and Shoji’s ass I was readyyyy!! Poor Nana no matter what she did she was damned if she did damned if she don’t. “Omg you need to be independent-“ goes and finds an apartment and a job in the same day. “You’re irresponsible with your money-“ after losing her first job finds a new one right away and despite it not being the ideal work environment, sucks it up because she prioritizes getting her bills paid and having a roof over her head than her pride. The list goes on lol and when Junko showed up to the house (I would’ve cut her off after this) she admits that she only came because Shoji asked her to. Not because her friend is heartbroken and rightfully upset or because she cares about her no, your shitty ex asked me to. Then gonna flip it and literally insinuate that Shoji was justified in cheating because it’s all about Shoji and his punk ass feelings! I can’t wait to finish this series I’m gonna buy the manga too!!!
Junko is not a girls girl. That’s just straight facts. Because if I was Nana’s bff, I’m fighting her ex and his side piece because how tf dare they? Like just because Nana was doing what she has to to keep her head afloat, became responsible, and living her life, she’s distant? And I hate how Junko blames Nana HERSELF for her and Shoji’s relationship ending. I would have dropped her and Kyosuke because they covering up Shoji’s mess and defending him. They should have PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN and told Shoji straight up to not do this. But nah. They are lazy about it and Junko even lied to Nana/Hatchī herself. Nana 2 and her friends have been more real and truthful than the people Nana considers the ones she loved ever have. If I was Nana, I would be OUTSIDE in Miami. Like fuck those three she used to call her friends and boyfriend. Like who are they? Nana deserves better. And Sachiko is a pick me bitch and a hypocrite because she still went after someone’s man. And if I was Nana, again, I would have kept Shoji right by my side, because people like Sachiko is the type you need to keep your eye on.
This is the exact same thing I said Junko is a terrible friend how do you put another guy before your closest friends since high school I don’t give a damn if you know him since art school you have known me before him you are not a real friend you will never hide something like that for me you should never hide your best friend getting cheated on like who does that make any sense like what is kyosuke was cheating on Junko And Nana would have said anything to her
@@thegrimadventuresofwednesd4311 I’m honestly glad nana distanced herself even junko said on episode “ don’t be a stranger “ stating she hasn’t been around in a while I read a Reddit on junko being a bad friend & it was just a lot of ppl trying excuse junko for being a terrible friend 😒
@@WhimsicalNessa I know someone else corrected me but even still she’s a women and knows hachis been badly hurt before so why not tell ur friend why let her find out the way she did it’s terrible imo
@@thegrimadventuresofwednesd4311 Luckily she did. Nana and the band truly love her and when Nana 🌹 saw things. She stepped back when she needed to. She's aware that she treats her like a puppy alot, but it's very different than Junko
i was rubbed the wrong way by that girl. she always seems so dang annoyed by hachi. she always puts her last even tho ik she might want to have hachi learn on her own, but at the same time, junko just did it in a very “just get away from me” way.
Fr fr frr😭😭😭 it's been years since the manga went into haitus and we fans are just finding ways to go the end of Nana's journey like Ai-saannnn!!! Please finish the story 😭😭😭
aren't ai san currently having health problems? the reason she can't finish it is because she have some health problems and currently seeking the medication. I'm not sure though
Junko is that toxic friend from your teen years who you thought was the best person but looking back on it, it’s hard to say why you even kept them around
junko was only worried for her bc she think that hachi would k*ll herself and when hachi said that she wouldnt she attack her saying that shet .. she's not a good friend fr
junko is not a good friend. well, not even a "friend" to even start with. no one would blame their friend getting cheated on, a "friend" should understand each other. what happen if hachi lose her parents? is it her fault too? when shoji cheated on hachi, it's obviously are shoji's fault. shoji should be clear about how he felt and tell hachi the first moment after that. but when junko were taking his side, i knew right away that junko is just a friend by a name. she didn't even bother to help hachi when she are going through hard times, as "friends" should help each other, not left them abandoned, feeling helpless and clueless. so yeah, i really hate shoji for this, and also her
Agree and I even watched the entire series. I sensed something was wrong with her. She definitely looks an indifferent, can't stand her issues person. But to be honest compared to Junko, I find Nana better, because even though she acts crazy or naive, she doesn't act in a shady, sick way to bring others down. I don't know if she is empty or lonely, but from her actions, she definitely IS the one that has god complex issues.
With a friend like Junko, who needs enemies? She's always complaining about how she has to bail out Hachi all the time. Bitch, where?? Only people I see helping Hachi are Nana, Hachi's mom, and Yasu. Yasu is 1000x the friend to Nana than Junko is for Hachi. He helps Nana because he loves her and doesn't put her down and complain constantly. Ugh I'm rewatching for the first time in over a decade and I'm noticing shit I never noticed before. Thank goodness the Nanas found each other because her old friends are trash.
She seemed to have the mentality of a 40-50 year old woman. Like, she just wanted to be settled down and be left alone. Remember when she went with hachi to Nana's concert??? She couldn't wait to leave, bitching about how loud it was. By the end of the show, when hachi is with takumi, and she tells junko that she's fine. Junko says it's good she finally got both feet on the ground... But Hachis eyes, they lost the spark by then, the happiness she had in her eyes in the beginning of the show, was beginning to fade by then. By the time it was a time skip, hachiko honestly looked dead inside. As for junko, she might have secretly gotten off on nipping at hachiko. She was NOT her mother, she was supposed to be her friend. As for her siding with Shoji, honestly I think she might be a tade bit misogynistic. Yes she warned hachiko about takumi, but fucking hell, she didn't want to hear or see her cry at all... I think, behind closed doors, hachiko cried a lot more than people realized. She seems like naruto, where she tries to put on a brave face, and cry alone. Most of the characters were 20, still figuring out life. Junko seemed to have everything together.. She might be fine to hang out with once in a blue moon, but obviously she's like Shoji, she doesn't want to hear about other people's problems.
It's very very difficult to be friends with people who complaon about life being hard when they keep making the same poor mistakes. Nana wasn't all rainbows either, she was selfish, she would often get entangled (with married men as well), and then wonder why she couldn't have the life she wanted. I agree Junko handled the Shoki situation very very poorly. I would have told Hachi even if she was going to cry. But Nana also wasn't the best of friends, she was also selfish and would leave Junko when she got a new boy. The whole point of the show and life is that we all have some good and bad amd some people mesh or not together. Life has nuance and just choosing what to pick from others when convenient doesn't help
@@Kaybye555 please stop bringing up the whole married men argument. hachi was groomed. she was like 15 while asano was wayyy older. it’s disgusting whenever someone tries to bring that up because it’s not valid.
I heard people defend Junko saying they wouldn’t put up with Hachi’s bs, but Junko stayed “friends” with Hatchi despite growing to hate her. That’s disgusting. Hatchi is a LOT but Junko should have just found less.
i absolutely despise Junko, it's kind of crazy how Nana stood up for Hachi and Junko who was her friend before Nana did nothing about it, and said how it's "technically" hachis fault, like...
Junko is a bitch. Defending Shoji for his cheating? Or Takumi for raping Hachi and making her pregnant? Just because she couldn't stand Hachi living a successfull and happy life away without her? Please. She is not even a friend at that point, she's just a stranger who calls herself a friend to her.
junko is a TERRIBLE friend. There has to be a reason why junko keeps coming to hachi why she keeps coming back to her when she barely tolerates her friend.
Junko was friends with Shoji before Nana met him, so we're not sure she was Nana's friend first. Doesn't change her trash handling of him cheating on Nana. But it does make more sense on why Shoji is still friends with her. She also seems to think that if Nana really loves a man, she should beg for him to stay despite cheating on her...
In my opinion, after watching and re- watching the show, Junko is not a terrible friend, but she's isn't a good one either. But Junko, I can tell, had to grow up much earlier than everyone else. And isn't the type to sugarcode or baby you, especially in certain situations. I think Junko tries to mean well but comes off passive-aggressive. I agree Junko should've either gone her separate ways from Nana after high school or set up boundaries. I think she should've had her boyfriend and herself to talk to Nana to balance the conversation equally. I would've most definitely cut off Shoji if I were Junko.
The thought process seen here were women are expected to some how be a trad-wife type girl friend and an independent career woman at the same time, even overlooking infidelity, are or at least were part of Japanese culture. It along with the expectation that men essentially marry their work and rarely come home to enjoy their married and family life might be why many have given up on serious relationships now. Too many impossible expectations.
100% i cannot believe we are supposed to like junko at all, she KNEW he was cheating and kept it from her!! I don’t give a fuck if you think Hachi is annoying. She does not deserve to get blatantly disrespected by her apparent “bestfriend” if you’re a real friend, you would tell your friend if your boyfriend cheating on you. period.
Junko is the friend a lot of us need but don’t deserve. She is straight forward, cares yes but lets you fuck around and find out. Call her a much needed ride wake up call. Hatchi could’ve avoided a lot of her stupid problems if she just listened a bit to Junko
@@loserassgf let’s not forget that hatchi dated a married man twice her age. Then cried stupidly so when that man stayed with his married wife. Junko was there speaking common sense. Hatchi is that girl who hasn’t yet reached common sense maturity. She becomes just a tad bit more mature at the end of Nana just a tad bit
@@sintia12clet’s not forget a married man slept/dated a high schooler, and a whole ah grown woman did the same. I’m sick and tired of y’all letting the predators in the show get away with this. (I do not care if you little islands age of consent is 13, they are not at the age of adult hood.)
@tsarinastevens9447 "The young girl dated-" No! It's the adult that groomed her. Like, can you simply say no to a child?? Ugh I hate toxic culture and medieval mentality
Im like 100% convinced Junko does NOT like Nana, like she literally doesn’t tell Nana he’s cheating, and then when Nana finds out, she blames it on her?? Saying like, she’s being distant? Likeeeee that’s NOT IT 😬 Junko is a terrible friend, she talks shit, and wasn’t there for her friend, and literally her BOYFRIEND is a better friend like 😭
I feel like June was definitely way too hard on Nana but in her own way she did care about her. It’s still fuck her because as Nana’s bestie it was her job to tell Nana about Shoji and Sachiko the minute she found out. Yea she was a snide bitch to Shoji afterwards but it gave she was more on his side than Nanas because the way she just brushed off Nana’s feelings was insane I feel like a lot of closed minded ppl are like this Nana didn’t need a lecture a day after she got her heart broken she needed her friend to be there for her. But June wasn’t all bad she gave Nana tough love when she definitely needed it too like when she got pregnant but it was just too excessive and I think it was lame how she kept trying to justify what Shoji did and she helped him move in with Sachiko. A real bestie would never.
I'm so glad you finally said it! Like it's funny how some in the fandom idolise Junko (remember that dumb meme that said "she carried the show" with a pic of Junko💀💀💀) when she's clearly not worth it. This woman, instead of standing up for Hachi and being supportive, constantly berated her and let's not forget, literally encouraged Hachi to be with Takumi's r@pist @ss along with her so called "chill" bf. Junko is basically the epitome of the annoying mom friend everyone must avoid at all cost. Sure I can understand her trying to be more practical and realistic, but she wasn't even that. She just lectured Hachi like an annoying auntie and lemme remind u, is complicit in encouraging Hachi's toxic relationship with 🤮Takumi🤮. Sure being independent and taking care of a kid all by yourself is not an easy thing, but its a much better option than staying with a narcissist like Takumi. Junko is one of the major issues I have with the show, along with many more like the creepy relationship between Shin and Reira and just women in this ya manga are treated in general. Also is this woman (Junko) even black? Like what is she doing wearing a fro and cornrows?
@@pettyfleur7489 not sure if it’s been confirmed but it says “bi racial” on her wiki page but I can’t find any official confirmation on that, if she’s not black though then I agree giving her those hairstyles is a bit strange 🤨
Hachi deserved to be with Nobu. Out of all the men Hachi had to deal with (Shoji, Takumi), along with Junko he was the only one who truly showed concern and care about her. Don't get me wrong Nana was also a good friend, but I am talking about the ideal boyfriend Hachi deserved to have.
I love Junko! She loves Nana, and acts more like a mother to her. She can see Nana's toxic cycles and just wants Nana to be happy and stop self sabotaging. I think she runs out of patience but otherwise her heart is in the right place. Nana tends to victimize herself by staying in the same toxic cycles, I see Junko's actions as attempts to wake Nana up to reality then actual blame Nana or defend Shoji.
Whenever I watch when Junko blamed Hachi when Shoji cheated on him. It breaks my heart. As a person who experienced your bf cheating on you first hand. I always ask myself why is it it's my fault? It hurts tbh to tell that your own bestfriend blaming you why they chose to cheat. It will never be Hachi's fault. Whatever the onset why Shoji did it. Shoji choose to cheat.
When Shoji cheated, June should've told Hachi the truth instead of using the possibility of a broken heart as an excuse. A real friend tells the truth regardless of one's feelings, and helps them heal by navigating right from wrong. Same goes for her friendship with Hachi. If June was more clear about how exhausting it was having to deal with the mess Hachi creates, I can guarantee you Hachi would've made a change like we see her do later in the show. Now because June always wants to be the bigger person she'll stick with Hachi just to tell her off. Even her own boyfriend sides with Hachi most of the time. The fact that she couldn't believe it when Hachi scored with Nana and Takumi, like it's impossible or something, shows that she has some sort of animosity towards her. Although not admitting it, she gets her ego bruised when Hachi seems to be figuring out her questionable choices - and claims to be proud of her, while continuing to gossip with Shoji and Kyosuke. That for me is the embodiment of a fake friend.
@@misspiggysdimples You know, Hachi is literally like Sakura from Naruto. She has a crush on Sasuke, the same way Hachi does with Takumi. But Naruto was a better option for Sakura, the same way Nobu was for Hachi. Sakura's rival was Hinata, because she saw Sakura's friendship with Naruto, got jealous and attempted to attack her. Hachi's rival was Junko, because she didn't help her get with Shoji. Nor with Takumi. She deserved to be with Nobu though. Both of them were tragic characters.
Junko thought she was giving Hachi a reality check when it was actually babying-a-man pick-me behaviour. A man cheats and it should be "Well, watch out for the same red flags next time you get serious with a guy" instead of "WeLL wHaT DiD YoU dO To CaUse HiM To ChEaT????"
@@TK_Danes If you defend Junko, let me tell you that as a friend SHE SUCKS. Compared to her, Nana may have abandonment issues, but she was WAY more supportive for others than this Junko, you like so much. I saw the entire series and I saw Nana improving a lot for by doing things for others, but idk about her.
@miss nobody I totally agree. I watched others commentary on it and I see she stayed on the fence often. I do see the challenge of two friends dating. However the boy was wrong too
Its crazy to me how she said that nana and shoji are good friends to her so she feels like shes stuck in the middle after shoji cheated on nana but if one if my friends cheated on my supposed best friend id ghost their ass immediately, ITS AN EASY CHOICE. I hate the “they didn’t do anything to me” friends, they’re only alleged friends in the end. Hachi deserved better friends
The way Junko and Shoji eventually snapped at Nana in the early episodes shattered my heart. She was constantly treated like a nuisance that couldn't take a hint. Junko probably felt bad for setting Nana up with Shoji. Shoji was already a hypersexual jerk that was itching to jump Nana.
Junko wasn’t a good friend but nana was and idiot like Constantly… it made me mad because it’s like nana never had any real character development (I haven’t finished the show yet, I’m only on the episode where she engaged and pregnant by takomi). Anyways I don’t hate nana I really do love the fact that she was a girls girl but I couldn’t stand how immature she is and every else around her isn’t like that even though they all have their problems. I hope they do more of a backstory of her upbringing
Agree junko was a horrible friend to nana the only thing that was wrong was junko and shoji were friends in middle school before she met nana in high school. Which i take in consideration that she was stuck in the middle of a horrible situation because she was good friends with both of them. TBH if i was nana i would've cut ties with junko and her boyfriend after that because at that point they picked their side after covering and hiding it from nana
THANK YOU FOR THIS OMG I REALLY WANTED TO LIKE JUNKO BUT SHES A TERRIBLE FRIEND AND SHE EVEN CONTINUED TO HANG OUT WITH SHOJI OFTWN AFTER HE CHEATED (i forgot if you mentioned that or not)
LITERALLY!! i always found it crazy that junko hated like a man would towards nana.. it’s insane that even junko’s boyfriend who didn’t even know nana like that really was so much more compassionate towards her. it makes me so upset bc i like junkos design a lot and she always had cute fits but she just suckss
That is literally what I also think. While yes she did tell Shoji "Don't cheat on Nana, tell her you like some other girl!" Her way of handling the situation was just not succesfull at all. It clearly showed that she was more into Shoji's side, than she has ever been on Nana's.
Junko sucks for sure. But i like her character that way, honestly they all are shitty and human, and some people just lsck the decency to defend the people who deserve it. Obviously junkos comment came from her own isnecurity. However, not justifying it as a 'right' thing to do. I think ai yazawa made her that way to demonstrate hachi's worldview q bit more. Junko doesnt fully empathise with her, which is what hachi needs, so she just has one more reason to keep repeating the same traumas because of self blame and criticism etc etc. the story is nanas to tell. Perhaps junko was even worse than portrayed, we wld never know because by the looks of the anime it seems to be like a past tense account so things could have been forgotten, clearly hachi just remembers her for being unsupportive
I love how we all agree about junko and how she decided to stay w shoji after the cheating and everything, but it’s also so interesting for the story itself and refreshing that we or i don’t have to like every character and we have to really Empathise with Nana to disagree with junko
And yall keep sayin Junko blamed her more than Shoji when she didnt she pointed out the relationship was already going bad. she also said Shoji shouldnt have cheated and he shoulda of just broke things off but at the same time you was being perfect so it just got messy at the end but it was gonna end anyways was the point. Reading the comments shows me so many of yall dont know how to be a actual real friend because Hachi needs someone in her life thats gonna make her grow up and be intendent. Yall wanted her to boo whooo and there there baby her when she has enough ppl doing that.
so she needs to be independent and grow up, but the. that's exactly why shoji cheated on her and it's ok? junko wanted her to grow up and be more mature. so she did. and then she says "well you left him out of the equation". like everyone wasn't telling her the same thing -_- so yeah, it does sound like she was blaming her. and if she's such a good friend, then she should have waited a bit to lecture her. not one day after nana got cheated on, tell her off. good friends have tact. she doesn't. tired of people glazing the blunt straightforward friend as if they don't lack the emotional intelligence to know when to not bring something up.
I actually really liked Junko’s character and she wasn’t wrong about Nana. However, in some ways, I also related to Nana. I’ve been on both sides of the fence: the annoying friend and the annoyed friend 😂 🤷♀️
So true. I just see a lot of comments agree with everything Nana does. Although Nana got together with a married man, and she was selfish. She only wanted her friends when she needed them they cover this in the story how she needed others approval and only wanted "hype men" when she complained after making bad decision after another. It's very very hard to be friends with a person like that
@@Kaybye555 FYI, Hachi didn't know that she was having an affair with a married man, she only had a speculation after a couple of meetups with that man, and she never really confirmed it not after they met in Tokyo. And also if you're truly a good friend you would not justify a cheater's actions, like damn. And besides, if Hachi was such a pain in the *ss for her, she should've cut ties with her. Clearly, you didn't saw how Nana cared for her friends and valued them, like, listening to their opinions and advices especially Junko's, supports them no matter what, like BLAST's first concert in Tokyo and contract signing. And in the first place, I don't think Junko really treated Nana as her friend, more like an acquaintance out of convenience.
@@iffatbushrasuhi2860Nana was a kid and he was a grown @ss man, it was his responsibility to keep it in his pants, if a high schooler is what makes you cheat you are the fault, he groomed her. Sachiko is also not at fault, she kinda parallels Nana, i honestly believe she was 17 at the start of the show as we see her first birthday which is in kids day, she seems very child coded to me.
Yall are insane lol. Not only is Junko a flawless character but she is written to be that way. A mother figure who always knows what to say and/or has Nana’s best interest. Many people who watch the show share the perspective of Nana K. so they may think they want a friend that always takes their side despite the terrible or naive decisions they may make but the show gives you perspective. She needed Junko even when they grew apart she was always there for her and most people in real life don’t wanna be told that they’re wrong they want justification for their actions even if the outcome straight up lets them know they are wrong. Junko was very honest and Stern but also very caring. She was literally one of, if not the only people that visited her in her home while she was pregnant in the anime. Stop changing the narrative lol get you a Junko.
Junko didn't blame Hachi for Shoji cheating on her, she just pointed out that Hachi contributed to the failure of her relationship with Shoji. Junko also didn't take any sides, and you have to understand that she is a mutual friend of both Hachi and Shoji and she was in the middle of a rock and a hard place. Junko didn't want to get in the middle of Hachi and Shoji's problems and she wanted them to solve their own issues and figure things out. I know a lot of fans hate Junko, but I have to say that she does make sense sometimes. When Junko visited Hachi the day after she broke up with Shoji, Junko told her that there were problems between her and Shoji before Sachiko came into the picture and she is 100% correct on that and even Hachi agreed with her. There were a lot of miscommunication between Hachi and Shoji and both parties kept on denying each other to spend time with each other. Whenever Shoji offered to spend time with Hachi, she will always turn him down and she would rather spend time with Nana and the other bandmates of BLAST. Even Hachi forgot about Shoji. Hachi was emotionally unavailable to Shoji, she found her independence and she became cold and distant towards him as well. I personally didn't think that Shoji wanted Hachi to be independent and he didn't have an issue with her being independent, I just think he wanted her to stop being childish and overbearing. Sachiko on the other hand, was emotionally available to Shoji at the time and that's why they both hit it off well. Shoji liked the fact that Hachi needed him and he also liked the fact that she relied on him, and when Hachi came to Tokyo, she didn't need him anymore and that hurt him big time. Even Kyosuke said that Hachi stopped fitting into Shoji's ideal type and he didn't like that. Junko is a real good friend because Hachi is immature and she needed to grow up and stop acting like a baby. Hachi always went to Junko to seek advice because she appreciated her tough love and harshness and this is what she needs, Hachi needs someone to tell her the truth about herself so that she can become a better person and evolve. I also want to say that Hachi did in fact become a better person and she became more mature later on in the story. Shoji is definitely to blame for cheating, but both Hachi and Shoji contributed to the failure of their relationship and this is what Junko is talking about.
You’ve gotta admit Junko was more of friend to Shoji in this situation tho. I mean, I get she’s got this whole tough love thing but she rlly lacks some kind of emotion/ compassion in this situation for someone who’s supposed to be her best friend. Hatchi is supposed to be her best friend and she chose the route of berating her for “taking him for granted” when she knew he was cheating and didn’t say a word to hatchi about it. You can want to be neutral all u want between friends but it was clear who she valued as a friend and it ain’t Hatchi. Junko seems like a good friend but every scene of her was the same pattern and their dynamic is so incompatible that you’d think she didn’t even like Hatchi and just tolerated her (there’s no excuse for that, if she’s mature enough to dish out life lessons, she could’ve ended that friendship the moment she felt Hatchi was too much for her) I mean they were all in there early 20s trying to figure out life and she berated this girl for every choice she made like she’s supposed to be the most mature adult at 20. Then when she gets pregnant, she tells her not to cry and basically not even come to her for comfort when she ends up with Takumi (someone I’d want my friend to tell me about considering the abuse she was enduring) I think part of the reason Hatchi endured that abuse and didn’t “complain” was because Junko told she no longer could cuz she “chose this”. I’m not saying she’s the worst friend in history but seriously don’t think she was the best at all. She’s just a pretty face with a superiority complex… I’d go as far as to say she got off from Hatchi “failing” and needing her and that’s why she kept her around despite finding her annoying. She’s a well written character but just like almost every other 20 something in the show.. she’s just as flawed if not more.
@@Heymynameismeech Finally someone who thinks this situation in the same way I do. How can people defend Junko? She sucks. And even if she tried to handle the situationship between Shoji and Nana, she didn't succeed in doing so. Because it was obvious whose side she was on more and it was with a cheater's (Shoji). She never cared much about Nana as a person and it showed. Which is sad, because Nana really valued her opinions. However the reality of their relationship was this. This can't be denied.
I never liked her that much either,esspecially when she blamed hachi for being cheated on(lolwhat) all I can understand is that is an old ass manga, first volume was in the 2000’s? So peoples beliefs were massively different than the current ones.
You know Junko reminds me of my older sister sadly.💀 Instead of being supportive with me, she would blame me for being annoying or dumb on my desicions. I could only thank my mother for putting her in her place, when our father wasn't around to help me. Junko is the worst "friend" to ever exist. Especially when she justifies Shoji's cheating on Hachi. Disgusting!
How do ppl not understand Nana is the one who fumbled Shoji Yes Shoji is a piece of shit but Nana is the type to be attracted to every person She was in love with 3 ppl at a time. Junko was right here this world is not a fairytale where you can get out of any mess after keep doing wrong.
Yes Junko was right, but the reason why it was because she was a more loyal friend to Shoji. She didn't care about Nana much as a friend, since she didn't tell her that he sees some other girl.
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I also kinda think it was off but if you consider it again she had it heard from shojis perspective mostly so I just often see her how she saw shoji struggles so I think we can’t rly blame her bcs from her side she mostly saw him struggle while Hachi was not caring for his feelings. That could also be the reason she was pissed off. But if she would know a bit of hachis side she would definitely change her view on him too.
I personally think you've missed a lot, Junko and Shouji were friends since middle school, nana and Junko met in high school. I agree that cheating is disgusting but outright cutting off a close friend of many years because of something that doesn't affect you is ridiculous, Junko not telling nana that Shouji was cheating was also the better decision i know me personally I would prefer my significant other to come to me and tell me something like that, and not my close friends who happened to find out. Lets also not act like Shouji and Nana's relationship was pristine every time they'd meet up it would end up in and argument over something so small, they barely saw each other or made time for each other and Shouji didn't like the fact that she was being independent and more time than not just wanted a bootycall. Nana is also incredibly immature and depends on people too much she is spoiled by everyone and you can see that throughout the show, so I believe Junko is an important figure in Nana's life and even Nana herself acknowledges that going as far as referring to her as a second mother. Junko may be harsh and blunt about the things she says but it helps put things in perspective for Nana and her advice more times than not helps her. I feel as if people have become too soft and want to be coddled and told that they never did anything wrong, to always have people agree and side with you no matter the circumstance. As I already said Junko was in a tough position and she was just mature enough and made all the right decisions its not the best idea to get heavily involved in other peoples conflict.
Ummm let's stop the cap. She gave hachi tough love. Yall love being coddled and that's why shit fucked up now. She's been Hachi friend since hs and she was actually Shouji friend first. She's was the biggest parent figure Hachi had. Yall forget hachi has been boy crazy since they met. Junko was the realest friend because you need someone who gon be honest and make you grow not coddled you and keep you stagnant
I agree and disagree. Yes, she gave Hachi "tough love", but what kind of friend watches their friend get cheated on? what kind of friend victim blames? there is a difference between being honest and being rude, and Junko was rude.
She didnt blame her but she was honest. Hachi even said she was right. Kyouske said she was harsh but right. You cant keep codling someone like Hachi or they wont grow up you have to make them acknowledge their own mistakes. You have to be blunt so they get the picture. She was starting to neglect him. Junko's point was even without the cheating they probably were gonna break anyways @@lijbear
People that say Junko sucks, would've done the same thing if they were in her shoes, having to deal with a friend that lacks a spine that needs to be set straight, if anything she's a very realistic character. And people hate that, they don't like being lectured in honesty. Low key, i'm reminded why it's best to stay off this fan community that obviously is mentally too young to understand literacy and make up conclusions. 😂😂😂💀💀💀
Ur right hachi was immature throughout high school. But when she went to tokyo she got her shit TOGETHER. And its funny bc junko is blaming hachi for not spending time with her boyfriend as much when hachi had her OWN APARTMENT, BILLS TO PAY, AND A JOB. Not ONLY THAT if she STAYED with shoji she would’ve spent more time with him BUT NO. SHOJI WANTED HER TO MOVE OUT and even JUNKO thought it was a good idea for her to be independent. It doesnt matter of what Hachi did throughout highschool. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT GOT CHEATED ON. WHY THE HELL IS JUNKO LECTURING HER LIKE SHES THE ONE TO BLAME???? Junko is a fake friend Period
If i had a nickels for fictional characters in anime/anime games (ok Nana and Hachu doesnt have a game-) named Junko that were bad people.- It's have two nickels which isnt much but it's strabge that it happened twice.
nah what junko did was the right thing. remember tht both shoji and hachi are her closest friends. she kind of always on the neutral to both shoji and hachi. when she with shoji she talked shit(in a way of what close friend did with each other) about what shoji did and when she with hachi she talked shit about what hachi did which is fair to me. she did not let hachi know shoji cheated on her because she thought shoji was not gonna go that far and forget about it eventually. she also did not let shoji know when hachi kind of have a feeling with the guy where hachi first work at cause she know hachi was gonna forget about it as well. also i believe junko would eventually let hachi know that shoji cheated on her if shoji planning on keeping it a secret.
@Too Beautiful To Handle the truth about her friends keeping her boyfriend cheating a secret. Yeah awful fucking friends if you ask me. Hell I've seen neighbors tell their other neighbors their wife or husband is cheating on them. Why can't your friend? And when she does find out its all Hachi's fault bc a grown ass man can't go one night without fucking another person so he goes crying with his dick in hands to the next girl. Yeah, why the hell are you defending Junko so hard?
A real friend would cut ties with a cheater and choose the good friend. If you choose to stay neutral instead of doing the just thing, you are literally a pos in denial
Also remember that one episode she said “im on the side of justice.” Well if she was on the side of justice and was a REAL FRIEND she wouldve told nana the truth So nana wouldnt have her hopes up on the guy. She also gaslighted nana that it was her fault for not spending time with shoji When nana had to work and bills to pay??? Also if shoji wasnt getting enough attention he shouldve talked it out with nana or broke up with her before getting someone else. There is NOOO reason why she should be lecturing nana when she’s still BAWLING her eyes out bc she was cheated on THE NIGHT BEFORE
i never read manga but i watch anime and im just as pissed as junko to hachi like you are the reason why your life is a mess you literally falling in love with anyone no matter what the age of the guy whether they 40 or 16 hey boyfriend is kind yes she siding with hachi cause he's kind and just don't want her to get more hurt but on junko side she don't care if you are her friend she's gonna be honest with you and tell you what's the problem with your personality which is right cause that's how friend should be a person that will be honest with you and shove you with reality and of who you really are and let's not talk about junko being so done with her then why just not leave her that's why i like junko she stays being friend of hachi even tho she's so done with her dumb head and about the married man hachi literally said it's her choice to be f by that guy just to feel love and even tho she knows he's married hahaha and just want to feel love? she literally the center of attention 🙄 it's just funny how everyone side with hachi and not point about her mistakes let's admit it hachi is the same type of girls to this days she don't want a good man that will take care of her or will work hard for her and about shoji yeah junko said a wrong thing at first but after clarifying things hachi just the same falling in love with anyone even tho you still in a relationship simply being a hoe around nana and not giving enough time to shoji like come on that's exactly the same
Finally..someone who understands Junko in my pov, Ppl out here making Junko the antagonist, but why is she held for Haachi's every immaturity? Junko is extremely straight forward, even more than the punk nana, and emotionally mature, yes she talked to haachi after her breakup in shoji's side, but from junko's pov, she grew up with Hachi being sleeping around with older men, and finding anyone attractive, so without being in the spot where she was dumped, she obviously was gonna assume that some part were her fault! And was she wrong about telling nana about being irresponsible with money?
@imthedemonatnight females rather be with other people that can't be straightforward to them so they think what they're doing is right they can't stand straight forward people that's why they hated junko,junko and her husband is a good match cause when junko say too much her husband steps in and for me junko is right to do that to hachi no matter if they just broke up or what and i can't even hate shoji for that cause hachi literally walking around and still being a hoe
@@imthedemonatnight well she's a selfish person also she wanted to stop nana but then not able to cause she get obsessed with ren again and when she start missing hachi and wanted to separate them its already too late that's why i feel bad for ren too
Everyone is mad at shoji (of course what he did was wrong), but Nana was with a married man, got with Junko's friend (Shoji, knowing the dynamic would be ruined), She technically cheate on Nobu, y'all are delusional, she wanted Takumo more than anyone, she pushed Nana away, she only called Junko when she wanted to cry for a man, she almost got with the furniture man (if he had said yes, we all know ahe would have). We get all these situations to understand that nobody is right or wrong, they are all people with different personalities messing up or figuring it out. Everyone here is way too invested in the cutesy only
Nana is so annoying and dumb that there was nothing anyone could've done for her. I made a lot of excuses for her, but at some point - when she gets back with the dude with long hair - you start thinking she deserves everything that happens to her. I'm sorry for Nobu.
@@jamjam0409 And you just agree? Can't you see that Nana in the series wanted a person, instead of using them? I saw the whole series and I don't see her in a "witchy way" like the other commenter said.
@@missstranger7697 I don't remember responding to that 😅. It's not that she didn't love them but more like she was chasing validation from men. Her source of self-worth was external. With Nobu she was more sincere and that might be because he approached her with vulnerability so they were equals in a way. She has an anxious attachment style.
@@jamjam0409 Well have you seen the family she was raised in? Her mother in one episode had a similar reaction to Junko. Knowing she has no support, it is the next thing that she will end up having issues like the rest of the people outside. You can dislike Hachi, but don't overdo it with your hatred towards her.
It’s kinda crazy how junko’s boyfriend stands up for hachi and understands her more than junko herself. the girl who’s been friends with hachi since highschool doesn’t understand her more than her own boyfriend does-
That's what I'm saying!
Personally, I didn’t like Junko at all. I truly believe she only continued to be “friends” with Hachi to feel superior to someone. There’s a difference between being honest/straight to the point, and just being insensitive and she was insensitive. It was also extremely frustrating how prior to the breakup, Hachi was being shamed for not having any independence and it being “too much” for Shoji (despite it being like a few days that she had even gotten to Tokyo so she hadn’t even settled in yet), but once she secured a job, got a new circle of friends, and an apartment, her newfound independence was used against her and was the supposed reason as to why Shoji cheated.
to be honest, Kyosuke was also in the wrong. He saw Shoji cheating with sachiko FIRST and he didn't scold him, instead he said "hey Sa-chan :)" to Sachiko and later told Junko that she was cute too. Yeah, he did not scold Nana like Junko did, but he was not a good friend either, both Kyosuke and Junko took Shoji's side because they thought Nana did not treat Shoji right, even though she just moved in for him to Tokyo, got an apartment and a job all by herself and was adjusting to everything... They were good friends to her in some situations, but not people who TRULY cared about her wellbeing at all, compared to NanaO. They saw her as a burden and excused their actions towards her because they believed all along that Nana was the problem. Which she was, but along with Shoji too. So yeah, not a big fan of Junko OR Kyosuke.
@@higashiwhy YEEEEES! Finally someone is talking about that.
“Hey Sa-Chan :)” 😂
The way she defended shoji literally cheating always rubbed me the wrong way, like if you think nana is annoying why not just drop her as a friend 😭
I wouldn’t say she tried to defend it because sis did tell Shoji to tell Nana straight up he’s seeing another girl. I feel she didn’t want to be biased towards the situation because Nana and shoji are both her friends and nobody likes being stuck in the middle of a situation like that
@@SBZmike.I agree with you. She also did tell Nana that “You had problems in your relationship with Shoji.” She tried to see both sides.
@@lethallines5898 Exactly.
@@SBZmike.this is right but people have a hate boner for junko when she's right lmao.
@SBZmike. My thing is: if Junko really was trying to see both sides, why would she pin the blame on Hachi for Shoji cheating on her. I mean it's one thing to understand that Shoji felt neglected in his relationship, but it's another to pin the blame for his cheating on Hachi and downplay the betrayal she felt.
I‘m fully convinced Junko never liked Nana 💀
Imagine knowing a person like Nana, being the "best friend", at the beginning normal but after years exhausting to watch a "toxic" person damaging herself who never listened to you, considering that they weren't "soulmates" like Nana, Shin or Shoin
AND SHES NOT BLACK.
@@josef.ramoss.8457She still a bad friend. When Shoji cheated, June should've told Hachi the truth instead of using the possibility of a broken heart as an excuse. A real friend tells the truth regardless of one's feelings, and helps them heal by navigating right from wrong. Same goes for her friendship with Hachi. If June was more clear about how exhausting it was having to deal with the mess Hachi creates, I can guarantee you Hachi would've made a change like we see her do later in the show. Now because June always wants to be the bigger person she'll stick with Hachi just to tell her off. Even her own boyfriend sides with Hachi most of the time. The fact that she couldn't believe it when Hachi scored with Nana and Takumi, like it's impossible or something, shows that she has some sort of animosity towards her. Although not admitting it, she gets her ego bruised when Hachi seems to be figuring out her questionable choices - and claims to be proud of her, while continuing to gossip with Shoji and Kyosuke. That for me is the embodiment of a fake friend.
@@misspiggysdimples Junk was more friend of Sochi than Nana, considering she never respected her as a decent person and her own cold personality. I won't deny she still feel better for having someone "worse than her".
Junko probably just keeps Nana around so she can have someone to put down anytime she wants to feel superior.
I HATE how Junko blames Hachi for getting cheated on with the excuse of "you're not making as much time for Shoji." But she literally MOVED to Tokyo to be with him!! And then she only moved out and became roommates with Nana cause she didn't want to be a burden to Shoji and Junko herself has always told Hachi she isn't responsible or mature enough. So Hachi matured and got her own apartment and job in Tokyo and became more independent. Like I really feel like Junko only stayed friends with Hachi, despite being annoyed with her at times, because it made her feel better about her own intelligence when being around someone whom she deemed as less intelligent and less mature than her. Their friendship reminds me of those between two girls where one is insecure while the other girl feeds off her insecurities to feel more confident in herself.
Hachi had her feelings constantly neglected throughout the whole show, always someone blaming her for wanting to be loved, telling her she's selfish even though she put others first and was right when doubting someone's intentions etc. That's why she made wrong choices later on. And this Junko witch... Ugh!
This hits home
I always thought it was weird how she defended Shoji actions and made Hachi feel worse about the cheating. Which enabled her to start spiraling of how she viewed herself. Granted Hachi already was already that way, that situation and how Junko made her feel didnt help at all. Especially how she looked down on her and the remarks she made about her before.
**Also! Your video kinda inspires me to make a quick video like this talking about Nana Anime while finishing up this painting of my favorite characters of Nana**
Ooh yes, definitely make a video!
At that point, Junko was nothing more than just a stranger to Nana, because she wasn't even a friend if she was just pretending to be one for her.
All these years, rewatching this series for the eleven hundredth time, I still never understood why Junko fake *ss never just cut ties with Nana K. from the jump if she couldn't stand her that much. I mean, it was always obvious she was annoyed and exhausted by her, so why not just leave? Was it that she didn't wanna feel guilty? Was it her superiority complex? I mean, you went off to go play wifey for a year with a man who's entire style you jacked and now you an expert on life and love? Girl, you're empty inside and you were just waiting on an opportunity let your grievances out on somebody who you looked down on, just because they were living their best most passionate life and starting to win without your help or influence. Not. That. Girl.
Period
agreed
I actually like Junko, but i agree she should have left Nana if she found her annoying.
True
I didn’t mind jun until she decided to side with shoji’s lying ass
Even though they didn’t know each other that long, Nana O. tried handling the discovery of Shoji and Sachiko as best she could, urging Hachiko to fight and not lose a person she loved, while Junko blamed Hachiko more than Shoji…bich move imo…
AND she hid it from her!
@@chrysrubio1024 Junko is literally also to be blamed for what she did towards Nana.
my last straw with junko was when she convinced nana to marry takumi. that was so annoying
I mean at least it was the smart thing to do so he can financially support Hachi and their baby but I get you.
Ugh yes she’s such a toxic horrible friend. I don’t care how much Haichi may have took Shoji for granted, victim blaming her for his cheating was soooo gross!! And she liked Takumi. L!
Maybe Junko should have been with Takumi instead of Kyosuke, since she liked him that much.
Hachi deserved to be with Nobu.
He was the best choice for Hachi.
What bugs me is that they consider telling Hachi, only to be all “we can’t help her grieve”
And it’s like, wouldn’t it help her if a friend was there to tell her Shoji was stupid for that? Like even if they want to stay friends with shoji, they could rightfully shit on him for it and leave it at that. You know, the same way Junko does with anything Hachi does? Hachi just needed to drop her old friend group, cause they weren’t good to her
Hachi also had to leave Junko, since she just made her feel worse about herself... She was surrounded with despicable people.
Yes!! Thank you!! I’ve been saying this for ages, she literally blamed Nana for her boyfriend cheating on her when all she ever did was try to make him happy and justifies all his other toxic behaviour. She sucks so much I hate her
Ikr? Like she makes her look like she is a villain, while she was the real perpetrator and villain herself.
This is called internalised misogyny. Men may hate on women, but they also treat each other horribly.
I just started Nana and I passed the cheating episode. When I tell you I wanted to jump through the screen and beat Junko and Shoji’s ass I was readyyyy!! Poor Nana no matter what she did she was damned if she did damned if she don’t. “Omg you need to be independent-“ goes and finds an apartment and a job in the same day. “You’re irresponsible with your money-“ after losing her first job finds a new one right away and despite it not being the ideal work environment, sucks it up because she prioritizes getting her bills paid and having a roof over her head than her pride. The list goes on lol and when Junko showed up to the house (I would’ve cut her off after this) she admits that she only came because Shoji asked her to. Not because her friend is heartbroken and rightfully upset or because she cares about her no, your shitty ex asked me to. Then gonna flip it and literally insinuate that Shoji was justified in cheating because it’s all about Shoji and his punk ass feelings! I can’t wait to finish this series I’m gonna buy the manga too!!!
Junko is not a girls girl. That’s just straight facts. Because if I was Nana’s bff, I’m fighting her ex and his side piece because how tf dare they? Like just because Nana was doing what she has to to keep her head afloat, became responsible, and living her life, she’s distant? And I hate how Junko blames Nana HERSELF for her and Shoji’s relationship ending. I would have dropped her and Kyosuke because they covering up Shoji’s mess and defending him. They should have PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN and told Shoji straight up to not do this. But nah. They are lazy about it and Junko even lied to Nana/Hatchī herself. Nana 2 and her friends have been more real and truthful than the people Nana considers the ones she loved ever have. If I was Nana, I would be OUTSIDE in Miami. Like fuck those three she used to call her friends and boyfriend. Like who are they? Nana deserves better. And Sachiko is a pick me bitch and a hypocrite because she still went after someone’s man. And if I was Nana, again, I would have kept Shoji right by my side, because people like Sachiko is the type you need to keep your eye on.
This is the exact same thing I said Junko is a terrible friend how do you put another guy before your closest friends since high school I don’t give a damn if you know him since art school you have known me before him you are not a real friend you will never hide something like that for me you should never hide your best friend getting cheated on like who does that make any sense like what is kyosuke was cheating on Junko And Nana would have said anything to her
Exactly, she dislikes Nana to her face and I wished the girl had gotten better friends.
@@thegrimadventuresofwednesd4311 I’m honestly glad nana distanced herself even junko said on episode “ don’t be a stranger “ stating she hasn’t been around in a while I read a Reddit on junko being a bad friend & it was just a lot of ppl trying excuse junko for being a terrible friend 😒
Actually, Junko knew Shoji since middle school, but other than that, I agree. There’s a reason why Hachi gravitated towards the other Nana more.
@@WhimsicalNessa I know someone else corrected me but even still she’s a women and knows hachis been badly hurt before so why not tell ur friend why let her find out the way she did it’s terrible imo
@@thegrimadventuresofwednesd4311 Luckily she did. Nana and the band truly love her and when Nana 🌹 saw things. She stepped back when she needed to. She's aware that she treats her like a puppy alot, but it's very different than Junko
i was rubbed the wrong way by that girl. she always seems so dang annoyed by hachi. she always puts her last even tho ik she might want to have hachi learn on her own, but at the same time, junko just did it in a very “just get away from me” way.
Yes y’all keep talking about nana so ai yazawa can be inspired to finish the manga 😂
Fr fr frr😭😭😭 it's been years since the manga went into haitus and we fans are just finding ways to go the end of Nana's journey like Ai-saannnn!!! Please finish the story 😭😭😭
Lol yeess😂😂
aren't ai san currently having health problems? the reason she can't finish it is because she have some health problems and currently seeking the medication. I'm not sure though
@@kazunieee5674 she got sick in 2009 but since then her health got better. She even said she has plans on finishing it soon
Junko is that toxic friend from your teen years who you thought was the best person but looking back on it, it’s hard to say why you even kept them around
Finally someone said it. Somehow I always find only postive comments about her, while in reality she's like you said in the video.
junko was only worried for her bc she think that hachi would k*ll herself and when hachi said that she wouldnt she attack her saying that shet .. she's not a good friend fr
I think that Junko wouldn't mind if Hachi died, because that's not caring.😢
junko is not a good friend. well, not even a "friend" to even start with. no one would blame their friend getting cheated on, a "friend" should understand each other. what happen if hachi lose her parents? is it her fault too? when shoji cheated on hachi, it's obviously are shoji's fault. shoji should be clear about how he felt and tell hachi the first moment after that. but when junko were taking his side, i knew right away that junko is just a friend by a name. she didn't even bother to help hachi when she are going through hard times, as "friends" should help each other, not left them abandoned, feeling helpless and clueless. so yeah, i really hate shoji for this, and also her
Agree and I even watched the entire series. I sensed something was wrong with her.
She definitely looks an indifferent, can't stand her issues person.
But to be honest compared to Junko, I find Nana better, because even though she acts crazy or naive, she doesn't act in a shady, sick way to bring others down. I don't know if she is empty or lonely, but from her actions, she definitely IS the one that has god complex issues.
Junko was a terrible friend. They were more loyal to shoji
With a friend like Junko, who needs enemies?
She's always complaining about how she has to bail out Hachi all the time. Bitch, where?? Only people I see helping Hachi are Nana, Hachi's mom, and Yasu. Yasu is 1000x the friend to Nana than Junko is for Hachi. He helps Nana because he loves her and doesn't put her down and complain constantly.
Ugh I'm rewatching for the first time in over a decade and I'm noticing shit I never noticed before. Thank goodness the Nanas found each other because her old friends are trash.
She seemed to have the mentality of a 40-50 year old woman. Like, she just wanted to be settled down and be left alone. Remember when she went with hachi to Nana's concert??? She couldn't wait to leave, bitching about how loud it was.
By the end of the show, when hachi is with takumi, and she tells junko that she's fine. Junko says it's good she finally got both feet on the ground... But Hachis eyes, they lost the spark by then, the happiness she had in her eyes in the beginning of the show, was beginning to fade by then. By the time it was a time skip, hachiko honestly looked dead inside.
As for junko, she might have secretly gotten off on nipping at hachiko. She was NOT her mother, she was supposed to be her friend.
As for her siding with Shoji, honestly I think she might be a tade bit misogynistic. Yes she warned hachiko about takumi, but fucking hell, she didn't want to hear or see her cry at all...
I think, behind closed doors, hachiko cried a lot more than people realized. She seems like naruto, where she tries to put on a brave face, and cry alone.
Most of the characters were 20, still figuring out life. Junko seemed to have everything together.. She might be fine to hang out with once in a blue moon, but obviously she's like Shoji, she doesn't want to hear about other people's problems.
It's very very difficult to be friends with people who complaon about life being hard when they keep making the same poor mistakes. Nana wasn't all rainbows either, she was selfish, she would often get entangled (with married men as well), and then wonder why she couldn't have the life she wanted. I agree Junko handled the Shoki situation very very poorly. I would have told Hachi even if she was going to cry. But Nana also wasn't the best of friends, she was also selfish and would leave Junko when she got a new boy. The whole point of the show and life is that we all have some good and bad amd some people mesh or not together. Life has nuance and just choosing what to pick from others when convenient doesn't help
@@Kaybye555agreed. At the beginning she’d hang with Nana more that Shoji. Hachi and Shoji were wrong for each other.
@@Kaybye555 please stop bringing up the whole married men argument. hachi was groomed. she was like 15 while asano was wayyy older. it’s disgusting whenever someone tries to bring that up because it’s not valid.
I agree HEAVILY.
I heard people defend Junko saying they wouldn’t put up with Hachi’s bs, but Junko stayed “friends” with Hatchi despite growing to hate her. That’s disgusting. Hatchi is a LOT but Junko should have just found less.
Exactly that. She couldn't stand her?
She could have stepped her ass up and say NO to get rid of Hachi.
Nana was Junko's biggest opp fr 💀
Fr like if you hate her so much n think she’s sooo irritating then don’t be her friend gurl💀
Finally someone said it!!
i absolutely despise Junko, it's kind of crazy how Nana stood up for Hachi and Junko who was her friend before Nana did nothing about it, and said how it's "technically" hachis fault, like...
Junko is a bitch.
Defending Shoji for his cheating? Or Takumi for raping Hachi and making her pregnant? Just because she couldn't stand Hachi living a successfull and happy life away without her?
Please. She is not even a friend at that point, she's just a stranger who calls herself a friend to her.
junko is a TERRIBLE friend. There has to be a reason why junko keeps coming to hachi why she keeps coming back to her when she barely tolerates her friend.
No cuz imagine getting cheating and while your common friend blames you the girl you became roomies with a month ago throws hands w him
Junko was friends with Shoji before Nana met him, so we're not sure she was Nana's friend first. Doesn't change her trash handling of him cheating on Nana. But it does make more sense on why Shoji is still friends with her. She also seems to think that if Nana really loves a man, she should beg for him to stay despite cheating on her...
In my opinion, after watching and re- watching the show, Junko is not a terrible friend, but she's isn't a good one either. But Junko, I can tell, had to grow up much earlier than everyone else. And isn't the type to sugarcode or baby you, especially in certain situations. I think Junko tries to mean well but comes off passive-aggressive. I agree Junko should've either gone her separate ways from Nana after high school or set up boundaries. I think she should've had her boyfriend and herself to talk to Nana to balance the conversation equally. I would've most definitely cut off Shoji if I were Junko.
The thought process seen here were women are expected to some how be a trad-wife type girl friend and an independent career woman at the same time, even overlooking infidelity, are or at least were part of Japanese culture. It along with the expectation that men essentially marry their work and rarely come home to enjoy their married and family life might be why many have given up on serious relationships now. Too many impossible expectations.
100% i cannot believe we are supposed to like junko at all, she KNEW he was cheating and kept it from her!! I don’t give a fuck if you think Hachi is annoying. She does not deserve to get blatantly disrespected by her apparent “bestfriend” if you’re a real friend, you would tell your friend if your boyfriend cheating on you. period.
Junko is the friend a lot of us need but don’t deserve. She is straight forward, cares yes but lets you fuck around and find out. Call her a much needed ride wake up call. Hatchi could’ve avoided a lot of her stupid problems if she just listened a bit to Junko
junko is a terrible friend and shitted on everything hachi did no matter what hope this helps 👍
@@loserassgf let’s not forget that hatchi dated a married man twice her age. Then cried stupidly so when that man stayed with his married wife. Junko was there speaking common sense. Hatchi is that girl who hasn’t yet reached common sense maturity. She becomes just a tad bit more mature at the end of Nana just a tad bit
@@sintia12clet’s not forget a married man slept/dated a high schooler, and a whole ah grown woman did the same. I’m sick and tired of y’all letting the predators in the show get away with this. (I do not care if you little islands age of consent is 13, they are not at the age of adult hood.)
@tsarinastevens9447 "The young girl dated-" No! It's the adult that groomed her. Like, can you simply say no to a child?? Ugh I hate toxic culture and medieval mentality
@@sintia12cshe was a teenager who was manipulated by a grown man in his 20s thinking that he actually loved her. what in earth on you talking about
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
Im like 100% convinced Junko does NOT like Nana, like she literally doesn’t tell Nana he’s cheating, and then when Nana finds out, she blames it on her?? Saying like, she’s being distant? Likeeeee that’s NOT IT 😬 Junko is a terrible friend, she talks shit, and wasn’t there for her friend, and literally her BOYFRIEND is a better friend like 😭
I feel like June was definitely way too hard on Nana but in her own way she did care about her. It’s still fuck her because as Nana’s bestie it was her job to tell Nana about Shoji and Sachiko the minute she found out. Yea she was a snide bitch to Shoji afterwards but it gave she was more on his side than Nanas because the way she just brushed off Nana’s feelings was insane I feel like a lot of closed minded ppl are like this Nana didn’t need a lecture a day after she got her heart broken she needed her friend to be there for her. But June wasn’t all bad she gave Nana tough love when she definitely needed it too like when she got pregnant but it was just too excessive and I think it was lame how she kept trying to justify what Shoji did and she helped him move in with Sachiko. A real bestie would never.
I'm so glad you finally said it! Like it's funny how some in the fandom idolise Junko (remember that dumb meme that said "she carried the show" with a pic of Junko💀💀💀) when she's clearly not worth it. This woman, instead of standing up for Hachi and being supportive, constantly berated her and let's not forget, literally encouraged Hachi to be with Takumi's r@pist @ss along with her so called "chill" bf. Junko is basically the epitome of the annoying mom friend everyone must avoid at all cost. Sure I can understand her trying to be more practical and realistic, but she wasn't even that. She just lectured Hachi like an annoying auntie and lemme remind u, is complicit in encouraging Hachi's toxic relationship with 🤮Takumi🤮. Sure being independent and taking care of a kid all by yourself is not an easy thing, but its a much better option than staying with a narcissist like Takumi. Junko is one of the major issues I have with the show, along with many more like the creepy relationship between Shin and Reira and just women in this ya manga are treated in general. Also is this woman (Junko) even black? Like what is she doing wearing a fro and cornrows?
I think she’s supposed to be mixed 😭
@@r00dbuster22 is she? Has this been confirmed? If it hasn't then that's even more sketch
@@pettyfleur7489 not sure if it’s been confirmed but it says “bi racial” on her wiki page but I can’t find any official confirmation on that, if she’s not black though then I agree giving her those hairstyles is a bit strange 🤨
Hachi deserved to be with Nobu.
Out of all the men Hachi had to deal with (Shoji, Takumi), along with Junko he was the only one who truly showed concern and care about her.
Don't get me wrong Nana was also a good friend, but I am talking about the ideal boyfriend Hachi deserved to have.
I love Junko! She loves Nana, and acts more like a mother to her. She can see Nana's toxic cycles and just wants Nana to be happy and stop self sabotaging. I think she runs out of patience but otherwise her heart is in the right place. Nana tends to victimize herself by staying in the same toxic cycles, I see Junko's actions as attempts to wake Nana up to reality then actual blame Nana or defend Shoji.
Whenever I watch when Junko blamed Hachi when Shoji cheated on him. It breaks my heart. As a person who experienced your bf cheating on you first hand. I always ask myself why is it it's my fault? It hurts tbh to tell that your own bestfriend blaming you why they chose to cheat.
It will never be Hachi's fault. Whatever the onset why Shoji did it. Shoji choose to cheat.
When Shoji cheated, June should've told Hachi the truth instead of using the possibility of a broken heart as an excuse. A real friend tells the truth regardless of one's feelings, and helps them heal by navigating right from wrong. Same goes for her friendship with Hachi. If June was more clear about how exhausting it was having to deal with the mess Hachi creates, I can guarantee you Hachi would've made a change like we see her do later in the show. Now because June always wants to be the bigger person she'll stick with Hachi just to tell her off. Even her own boyfriend sides with Hachi most of the time. The fact that she couldn't believe it when Hachi scored with Nana and Takumi, like it's impossible or something, shows that she has some sort of animosity towards her. Although not admitting it, she gets her ego bruised when Hachi seems to be figuring out her questionable choices - and claims to be proud of her, while continuing to gossip with Shoji and Kyosuke. That for me is the embodiment of a fake friend.
@@misspiggysdimples You know, Hachi is literally like Sakura from Naruto.
She has a crush on Sasuke, the same way Hachi does with Takumi. But Naruto was a better option for Sakura, the same way Nobu was for Hachi.
Sakura's rival was Hinata, because she saw Sakura's friendship with Naruto, got jealous and attempted to attack her.
Hachi's rival was Junko, because she didn't help her get with Shoji. Nor with Takumi. She deserved to be with Nobu though.
Both of them were tragic characters.
Junko thought she was giving Hachi a reality check when it was actually babying-a-man pick-me behaviour.
A man cheats and it should be "Well, watch out for the same red flags next time you get serious with a guy" instead of "WeLL wHaT DiD YoU dO To CaUse HiM To ChEaT????"
Perfectly said my feelings on Junko
Junko = junk + unko
Im glad that hachiko met nana 😭😭😭😭 so she can ditch this fake ass b
Been watching nana the anime and junko isn’t helpful to hachi at all
Junko was human and needed to have boundaries. But I also agree that she wasn't as supportive knowing Nana has abandonment issues
@@TK_Danes If you defend Junko, let me tell you that as a friend SHE SUCKS. Compared to her, Nana may have abandonment issues, but she was WAY more supportive for others than this Junko, you like so much.
I saw the entire series and I saw Nana improving a lot for by doing things for others, but idk about her.
@miss nobody I totally agree. I watched others commentary on it and I see she stayed on the fence often.
I do see the challenge of two friends dating. However the boy was wrong too
Junko is that toxic friend that someone like Hachiko needs for a wake up call.
But well, it didn't work.
Its crazy to me how she said that nana and shoji are good friends to her so she feels like shes stuck in the middle after shoji cheated on nana but if one if my friends cheated on my supposed best friend id ghost their ass immediately, ITS AN EASY CHOICE. I hate the “they didn’t do anything to me” friends, they’re only alleged friends in the end. Hachi deserved better friends
The way Junko and Shoji eventually snapped at Nana in the early episodes shattered my heart. She was constantly treated like a nuisance that couldn't take a hint.
Junko probably felt bad for setting Nana up with Shoji.
Shoji was already a hypersexual jerk that was itching to jump Nana.
One of the dead weight that Hachi needs to drop
Thats Right. I've always thought why she told Nana those things. Thats hurts. She supposed to be best friend.
I hate that girl, worst kind of fake friend I try to avoid irl
Junko wasn’t a good friend but nana was and idiot like Constantly… it made me mad because it’s like nana never had any real character development (I haven’t finished the show yet, I’m only on the episode where she engaged and pregnant by takomi). Anyways I don’t hate nana I really do love the fact that she was a girls girl but I couldn’t stand how immature she is and every else around her isn’t like that even though they all have their problems. I hope they do more of a backstory of her upbringing
Tbh i've found very interesting what junko's said to hachi after her getting cheated by shoji. It was a whole new perspective
Junko really sucked omg
Agree junko was a horrible friend to nana the only thing that was wrong was junko and shoji were friends in middle school before she met nana in high school. Which i take in consideration that she was stuck in the middle of a horrible situation because she was good friends with both of them. TBH if i was nana i would've cut ties with junko and her boyfriend after that because at that point they picked their side after covering and hiding it from nana
Junko never had Hachi's back and only thought about herself. Constantly judging Hachi instead of teaching her to be better!
I agree to 100%, like why was junko always so against hachi..
Junko was not a good friend.
OMG THANK YOU
we are junko slanders 🙏💯💯
THANK YOU FOR THIS OMG I REALLY WANTED TO LIKE JUNKO BUT SHES A TERRIBLE FRIEND AND SHE EVEN CONTINUED TO HANG OUT WITH SHOJI OFTWN AFTER HE CHEATED (i forgot if you mentioned that or not)
I could only understand a bit of where she was coming from, but cmon the victim blaming was off the charts
LITERALLY!! i always found it crazy that junko hated like a man would towards nana.. it’s insane that even junko’s boyfriend who didn’t even know nana like that really was so much more compassionate towards her. it makes me so upset bc i like junkos design a lot and she always had cute fits but she just suckss
That is literally what I also think.
While yes she did tell Shoji "Don't cheat on Nana, tell her you like some other girl!"
Her way of handling the situation was just not succesfull at all. It clearly showed that she was more into Shoji's side, than she has ever been on Nana's.
Junko sucks for sure. But i like her character that way, honestly they all are shitty and human, and some people just lsck the decency to defend the people who deserve it. Obviously junkos comment came from her own isnecurity. However, not justifying it as a 'right' thing to do. I think ai yazawa made her that way to demonstrate hachi's worldview q bit more. Junko doesnt fully empathise with her, which is what hachi needs, so she just has one more reason to keep repeating the same traumas because of self blame and criticism etc etc. the story is nanas to tell. Perhaps junko was even worse than portrayed, we wld never know because by the looks of the anime it seems to be like a past tense account so things could have been forgotten, clearly hachi just remembers her for being unsupportive
little correction, Junko was friends with Shoji first (doesn’t change anything I hate them)
Yupppp I never liked Junko, condescending as hell
I love how we all agree about junko and how she decided to stay w shoji after the cheating and everything, but it’s also so interesting for the story itself and refreshing that we or i don’t have to like every character and we have to really Empathise with Nana to disagree with junko
And yall keep sayin Junko blamed her more than Shoji when she didnt she pointed out the relationship was already going bad. she also said Shoji shouldnt have cheated and he shoulda of just broke things off but at the same time you was being perfect so it just got messy at the end but it was gonna end anyways was the point. Reading the comments shows me so many of yall dont know how to be a actual real friend because Hachi needs someone in her life thats gonna make her grow up and be intendent. Yall wanted her to boo whooo and there there baby her when she has enough ppl doing that.
so she needs to be independent and grow up, but the. that's exactly why shoji cheated on her and it's ok? junko wanted her to grow up and be more mature. so she did. and then she says "well you left him out of the equation". like everyone wasn't telling her the same thing -_- so yeah, it does sound like she was blaming her. and if she's such a good friend, then she should have waited a bit to lecture her. not one day after nana got cheated on, tell her off. good friends have tact. she doesn't. tired of people glazing the blunt straightforward friend as if they don't lack the emotional intelligence to know when to not bring something up.
I actually really liked Junko’s character and she wasn’t wrong about Nana. However, in some ways, I also related to Nana. I’ve been on both sides of the fence: the annoying friend and the annoyed friend 😂 🤷♀️
Same here....😂
So true. I just see a lot of comments agree with everything Nana does. Although Nana got together with a married man, and she was selfish. She only wanted her friends when she needed them they cover this in the story how she needed others approval and only wanted "hype men" when she complained after making bad decision after another. It's very very hard to be friends with a person like that
@@Kaybye555 FYI, Hachi didn't know that she was having an affair with a married man, she only had a speculation after a couple of meetups with that man, and she never really confirmed it not after they met in Tokyo.
And also if you're truly a good friend you would not justify a cheater's actions, like damn.
And besides, if Hachi was such a pain in the *ss for her, she should've cut ties with her.
Clearly, you didn't saw how Nana cared for her friends and valued them, like, listening to their opinions and advices especially Junko's, supports them no matter what, like BLAST's first concert in Tokyo and contract signing.
And in the first place, I don't think Junko really treated Nana as her friend, more like an acquaintance out of convenience.
@@milkacabaluna424 Hachi knew she was having an affair with a married man. She noticed his wedding ring the day she first met the guy.
@@iffatbushrasuhi2860Nana was a kid and he was a grown @ss man, it was his responsibility to keep it in his pants, if a high schooler is what makes you cheat you are the fault, he groomed her. Sachiko is also not at fault, she kinda parallels Nana, i honestly believe she was 17 at the start of the show as we see her first birthday which is in kids day, she seems very child coded to me.
Still I love her 😭❤️❤️
Yall are insane lol. Not only is Junko a flawless character but she is written to be that way. A mother figure who always knows what to say and/or has Nana’s best interest. Many people who watch the show share the perspective of Nana K. so they may think they want a friend that always takes their side despite the terrible or naive decisions they may make but the show gives you perspective. She needed Junko even when they grew apart she was always there for her and most people in real life don’t wanna be told that they’re wrong they want justification for their actions even if the outcome straight up lets them know they are wrong. Junko was very honest and Stern but also very caring. She was literally one of, if not the only people that visited her in her home while she was pregnant in the anime. Stop changing the narrative lol get you a Junko.
Girl bye
@@HumbleQueenn anyways. Watch nana. Be accountable. Byeeee 🫶🏾.
Junko didn't blame Hachi for Shoji cheating on her, she just pointed out that Hachi contributed to the failure of her relationship with Shoji. Junko also didn't take any sides, and you have to understand that she is a mutual friend of both Hachi and Shoji and she was in the middle of a rock and a hard place. Junko didn't want to get in the middle of Hachi and Shoji's problems and she wanted them to solve their own issues and figure things out. I know a lot of fans hate Junko, but I have to say that she does make sense sometimes. When Junko visited Hachi the day after she broke up with Shoji, Junko told her that there were problems between her and Shoji before Sachiko came into the picture and she is 100% correct on that and even Hachi agreed with her. There were a lot of miscommunication between Hachi and Shoji and both parties kept on denying each other to spend time with each other. Whenever Shoji offered to spend time with Hachi, she will always turn him down and she would rather spend time with Nana and the other bandmates of BLAST. Even Hachi forgot about Shoji. Hachi was emotionally unavailable to Shoji, she found her independence and she became cold and distant towards him as well. I personally didn't think that Shoji wanted Hachi to be independent and he didn't have an issue with her being independent, I just think he wanted her to stop being childish and overbearing. Sachiko on the other hand, was emotionally available to Shoji at the time and that's why they both hit it off well. Shoji liked the fact that Hachi needed him and he also liked the fact that she relied on him, and when Hachi came to Tokyo, she didn't need him anymore and that hurt him big time. Even Kyosuke said that Hachi stopped fitting into Shoji's ideal type and he didn't like that. Junko is a real good friend because Hachi is immature and she needed to grow up and stop acting like a baby. Hachi always went to Junko to seek advice because she appreciated her tough love and harshness and this is what she needs, Hachi needs someone to tell her the truth about herself so that she can become a better person and evolve. I also want to say that Hachi did in fact become a better person and she became more mature later on in the story. Shoji is definitely to blame for cheating, but both Hachi and Shoji contributed to the failure of their relationship and this is what Junko is talking about.
yes THIS. some of yall need to understand that hachi was a problem too and stop defending her for every god damn thing
You’ve gotta admit Junko was more of friend to Shoji in this situation tho. I mean, I get she’s got this whole tough love thing but she rlly lacks some kind of emotion/ compassion in this situation for someone who’s supposed to be her best friend. Hatchi is supposed to be her best friend and she chose the route of berating her for “taking him for granted” when she knew he was cheating and didn’t say a word to hatchi about it. You can want to be neutral all u want between friends but it was clear who she valued as a friend and it ain’t Hatchi. Junko seems like a good friend but every scene of her was the same pattern and their dynamic is so incompatible that you’d think she didn’t even like Hatchi and just tolerated her (there’s no excuse for that, if she’s mature enough to dish out life lessons, she could’ve ended that friendship the moment she felt Hatchi was too much for her) I mean they were all in there early 20s trying to figure out life and she berated this girl for every choice she made like she’s supposed to be the most mature adult at 20. Then when she gets pregnant, she tells her not to cry and basically not even come to her for comfort when she ends up with Takumi (someone I’d want my friend to tell me about considering the abuse she was enduring) I think part of the reason Hatchi endured that abuse and didn’t “complain” was because Junko told she no longer could cuz she “chose this”. I’m not saying she’s the worst friend in history but seriously don’t think she was the best at all. She’s just a pretty face with a superiority complex… I’d go as far as to say she got off from Hatchi “failing” and needing her and that’s why she kept her around despite finding her annoying. She’s a well written character but just like almost every other 20 something in the show.. she’s just as flawed if not more.
@@Heymynameismeech Finally someone who thinks this situation in the same way I do.
How can people defend Junko? She sucks. And even if she tried to handle the situationship between Shoji and Nana, she didn't succeed in doing so. Because it was obvious whose side she was on more and it was with a cheater's (Shoji).
She never cared much about Nana as a person and it showed. Which is sad, because Nana really valued her opinions. However the reality of their relationship was this. This can't be denied.
I never liked her that much either,esspecially when she blamed hachi for being cheated on(lolwhat) all I can understand is that is an old ass manga, first volume was in the 2000’s? So peoples beliefs were massively different than the current ones.
I’ve ALWAYS hated Junko sm for over a decade
FR
Yea she was crazy, anyways I’m still naming my kitten that bc it’s a sick name
You know Junko reminds me of my older sister sadly.💀
Instead of being supportive with me, she would blame me for being annoying or dumb on my desicions. I could only thank my mother for putting her in her place, when our father wasn't around to help me.
Junko is the worst "friend" to ever exist. Especially when she justifies Shoji's cheating on Hachi.
Disgusting!
How do ppl not understand Nana is the one who fumbled Shoji
Yes Shoji is a piece of shit but Nana is the type to be attracted to every person
She was in love with 3 ppl at a time.
Junko was right here this world is not a fairytale where you can get out of any mess after keep doing wrong.
Yes Junko was right, but the reason why it was because she was a more loyal friend to Shoji.
She didn't care about Nana much as a friend, since she didn't tell her that he sees some other girl.
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I also kinda think it was off but if you consider it again she had it heard from shojis perspective mostly so I just often see her how she saw shoji struggles so I think we can’t rly blame her bcs from her side she mostly saw him struggle while Hachi was not caring for his feelings. That could also be the reason she was pissed off. But if she would know a bit of hachis side she would definitely change her view on him too.
I wanna know did Nana married takumi or not
she never gave friend she was just obsessed with nanas life and always judging her she gave fan fr
I want to fight Junko so bad 😭
I personally think you've missed a lot, Junko and Shouji were friends since middle school, nana and Junko met in high school. I agree that cheating is disgusting but outright cutting off a close friend of many years because of something that doesn't affect you is ridiculous, Junko not telling nana that Shouji was cheating was also the better decision i know me personally I would prefer my significant other to come to me and tell me something like that, and not my close friends who happened to find out. Lets also not act like Shouji and Nana's relationship was pristine every time they'd meet up it would end up in and argument over something so small, they barely saw each other or made time for each other and Shouji didn't like the fact that she was being independent and more time than not just wanted a bootycall. Nana is also incredibly immature and depends on people too much she is spoiled by everyone and you can see that throughout the show, so I believe Junko is an important figure in Nana's life and even Nana herself acknowledges that going as far as referring to her as a second mother. Junko may be harsh and blunt about the things she says but it helps put things in perspective for Nana and her advice more times than not helps her. I feel as if people have become too soft and want to be coddled and told that they never did anything wrong, to always have people agree and side with you no matter the circumstance. As I already said Junko was in a tough position and she was just mature enough and made all the right decisions its not the best idea to get heavily involved in other peoples conflict.
Ummm let's stop the cap. She gave hachi tough love. Yall love being coddled and that's why shit fucked up now. She's been Hachi friend since hs and she was actually Shouji friend first. She's was the biggest parent figure Hachi had. Yall forget hachi has been boy crazy since they met. Junko was the realest friend because you need someone who gon be honest and make you grow not coddled you and keep you stagnant
I agree and disagree. Yes, she gave Hachi "tough love", but what kind of friend watches their friend get cheated on? what kind of friend victim blames? there is a difference between being honest and being rude, and Junko was rude.
She didnt blame her but she was honest. Hachi even said she was right. Kyouske said she was harsh but right. You cant keep codling someone like Hachi or they wont grow up you have to make them acknowledge their own mistakes. You have to be blunt so they get the picture. She was starting to neglect him. Junko's point was even without the cheating they probably were gonna break anyways @@lijbear
People that say Junko sucks, would've done the same thing if they were in her shoes, having to deal with a friend that lacks a spine that needs to be set straight, if anything she's a very realistic character. And people hate that, they don't like being lectured in honesty. Low key, i'm reminded why it's best to stay off this fan community that obviously is mentally too young to understand literacy and make up conclusions. 😂😂😂💀💀💀
Ur right hachi was immature throughout high school. But when she went to tokyo she got her shit TOGETHER. And its funny bc junko is blaming hachi for not spending time with her boyfriend as much when hachi had her OWN APARTMENT, BILLS TO PAY, AND A JOB. Not ONLY THAT if she STAYED with shoji she would’ve spent more time with him BUT NO. SHOJI WANTED HER TO MOVE OUT and even JUNKO thought it was a good idea for her to be independent. It doesnt matter of what Hachi did throughout highschool. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT GOT CHEATED ON. WHY THE HELL IS JUNKO LECTURING HER LIKE SHES THE ONE TO BLAME????
Junko is a fake friend
Period
fair
Yea she’s trifling I don’t like her
If i had a nickels for fictional characters in anime/anime games (ok Nana and Hachu doesnt have a game-) named Junko that were bad people.-
It's have two nickels which isnt much but it's strabge that it happened twice.
She is cruel
nah what junko did was the right thing. remember tht both shoji and hachi are her closest friends. she kind of always on the neutral to both shoji and hachi. when she with shoji she talked shit(in a way of what close friend did with each other) about what shoji did and when she with hachi she talked shit about what hachi did which is fair to me. she did not let hachi know shoji cheated on her because she thought shoji was not gonna go that far and forget about it eventually. she also did not let shoji know when hachi kind of have a feeling with the guy where hachi first work at cause she know hachi was gonna forget about it as well. also i believe junko would eventually let hachi know that shoji cheated on her if shoji planning on keeping it a secret.
@Too Beautiful To Handle the truth about her friends keeping her boyfriend cheating a secret. Yeah awful fucking friends if you ask me. Hell I've seen neighbors tell their other neighbors their wife or husband is cheating on them. Why can't your friend? And when she does find out its all Hachi's fault bc a grown ass man can't go one night without fucking another person so he goes crying with his dick in hands to the next girl. Yeah, why the hell are you defending Junko so hard?
A real friend would cut ties with a cheater and choose the good friend. If you choose to stay neutral instead of doing the just thing, you are literally a pos in denial
Also remember that one episode she said “im on the side of justice.”
Well if she was on the side of justice and was a REAL FRIEND she wouldve told nana the truth
So nana wouldnt have her hopes up on the guy.
She also gaslighted nana that it was her fault for not spending time with shoji
When nana had to work and bills to pay???
Also if shoji wasnt getting enough attention he shouldve talked it out with nana or broke up with her before getting someone else.
There is NOOO reason why she should be lecturing nana when she’s still BAWLING her eyes out bc she was cheated on THE NIGHT BEFORE
i never read manga but i watch anime and im just as pissed as junko to hachi like you are the reason why your life is a mess you literally falling in love with anyone no matter what the age of the guy whether they 40 or 16 hey boyfriend is kind yes she siding with hachi cause he's kind and just don't want her to get more hurt but on junko side she don't care if you are her friend she's gonna be honest with you and tell you what's the problem with your personality which is right cause that's how friend should be a person that will be honest with you and shove you with reality and of who you really are
and let's not talk about junko being so done with her then why just not leave her that's why i like junko she stays being friend of hachi even tho she's so done with her dumb head
and about the married man hachi literally said it's her choice to be f by that guy just to feel love and even tho she knows he's married hahaha
and just want to feel love? she literally the center of attention 🙄 it's just funny how everyone side with hachi and not point about her mistakes let's admit it hachi is the same type of girls to this days she don't want a good man that will take care of her or will work hard for her
and about shoji yeah junko said a wrong thing at first but after clarifying things hachi just the same falling in love with anyone even tho you still in a relationship simply being a hoe around nana and not giving enough time to shoji like come on that's exactly the same
Finally..someone who understands Junko in my pov,
Ppl out here making Junko the antagonist, but why is she held for Haachi's every immaturity? Junko is extremely straight forward, even more than the punk nana, and emotionally mature, yes she talked to haachi after her breakup in shoji's side, but from junko's pov, she grew up with Hachi being sleeping around with older men, and finding anyone attractive, so without being in the spot where she was dumped, she obviously was gonna assume that some part were her fault! And was she wrong about telling nana about being irresponsible with money?
I also dont see ppl slandering punk nana for not stopping nana from takumi in the first time
In fact she was convincing nana when she was coming back from her sense that maybe takumi is falling for her
@imthedemonatnight females rather be with other people that can't be straightforward to them so they think what they're doing is right they can't stand straight forward people that's why they hated junko,junko and her husband is a good match cause when junko say too much her husband steps in
and for me junko is right to do that to hachi no matter if they just broke up or what and i can't even hate shoji for that cause hachi literally walking around and still being a hoe
@@imthedemonatnight well she's a selfish person also she wanted to stop nana but then not able to cause she get obsessed with ren again and when she start missing hachi and wanted to separate them its already too late that's why i feel bad for ren too
She's a pick me
Everyone is mad at shoji (of course what he did was wrong), but Nana was with a married man, got with Junko's friend (Shoji, knowing the dynamic would be ruined), She technically cheate on Nobu, y'all are delusional, she wanted Takumo more than anyone, she pushed Nana away, she only called Junko when she wanted to cry for a man, she almost got with the furniture man (if he had said yes, we all know ahe would have). We get all these situations to understand that nobody is right or wrong, they are all people with different personalities messing up or figuring it out. Everyone here is way too invested in the cutesy only
That married man was a pedophile and a groomer 💀
Nana is so annoying and dumb that there was nothing anyone could've done for her. I made a lot of excuses for her, but at some point - when she gets back with the dude with long hair - you start thinking she deserves everything that happens to her. I'm sorry for Nobu.
Nana definitely had her moments and nobu deserved a better relationship, but shoji should have just broken up with her instead of cheating.
@Too Beautiful To Handle true
@@jamjam0409 And you just agree?
Can't you see that Nana in the series wanted a person, instead of using them? I saw the whole series and I don't see her in a "witchy way" like the other commenter said.
@@missstranger7697 I don't remember responding to that 😅. It's not that she didn't love them but more like she was chasing validation from men. Her source of self-worth was external. With Nobu she was more sincere and that might be because he approached her with vulnerability so they were equals in a way. She has an anxious attachment style.
@@jamjam0409 Well have you seen the family she was raised in?
Her mother in one episode had a similar reaction to Junko. Knowing she has no support, it is the next thing that she will end up having issues like the rest of the people outside. You can dislike Hachi, but don't overdo it with your hatred towards her.