Which Is Faster? Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio vs Porsche Macan Turbo
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Are you going to do a video of a drag race between the 2018 Camry XSE V-6 and the 2018 Accord 2.0T (w/ 10-speed auto)? A lot of people want to know which is quicker. I know they aren't exactly sports cars, but there has always been a rivalry between the two and now that they are so different in terms of engine choices, it would be interesting to watch a drag race comparison.
Matt Speer Those are for poor people LOL.
The Fast Lane Car This is not an average car or SUV. How about something for regular folk that cant afford or want a Porsche SUV?
Nobody should want an overpriced glorified VW masquerading as a Porsche....EMBARRASSING....
@Ethan Pae COME UP WITH SOMETHING ORIGINAL DOUCHEY DOUCHERSON INSTEAD OF STEALING MY LINES !!!!
My first car was a 1995 Alfa Romeo 155 and ever since I did not drive another car that was that enjoyable. I miss it.
N M probably. But that was not a real alfa! The last real alfa was the 75. After that car fiat build alfa. So the 155 was not a real alfa anymore.
Dg G I did not catch up with the older Alfas. True that it is based on a Fiat platform and a front wheel drive, but it had the legacy, the looks, sporty feel, Alfa's twin spark engine, and it was a dtm champion at the time!
On a positive note, Fiat made the Alfas more reliable than what they used to be.
My first car was also a 1995 2.0 16v 155. Loved it and mis it to.
Onno Alblas mine was a 2.0L too :)
150 horsepower was something special
DTM MONSTER 155
Alfa is faster, sounds better, handles better, looks better, is cheaper, is more unique and overall this is more car for the money. Definitely Alfa! Bravo, bravo and one more time bravo gentleman for creating such a nice piece of engineering! Best SUV in the today's world and deserve the title "the best car of the year"!
yes alfa romeo has better handles cause i used to be a racer and i drove all the cars out there and alfa is the best!
it does all that but it's not as beautiful as Macan
subjective, for me it is :)
Is cheaper because it's a cheap piece of junk and will fall apart within a year whereas the Porsche will last a lifetime.
djsomeguy very true
I drove 20 Stelvios at my job yesterday at the port fresh arrived off the ship I fell in love with them was very impressed great job Alfa.
I choose the Stelvio
"Every time I see an Alfa Romeo pass by , I lift my hat."
Henry Ford
I see those all the time in my town lol
That Ferrari engine in the Alfa is a master piece. Also is the same great chassis of the Guilia and is cheaper. Porshe go home. In performance, style and value the Italian won easy.
Alfa Romeo ist die Mutter von Ferrari.
I fully agree with you jonathan! The Engine is one of the best V6 out there, totally insane amount of power, bi-turbo charged, 100% durable, tough and sturdy, a perfect combination with a german ZF 8 speed gearbox and and and... the Giulia and Stelvio Quadrifoglios are still one of the best performance cars in their price range and if you are searching for a wolf in a sheepskin.
i would go for the Giulia instead of the Stelvio, but each it's own! :-)
@Ethan Pae then buy your overpriced lifted vw beetle and leave us guys with a good taste in cars alone...btw Alfa is the mother of all sportscars, look at the old giulia gta(m)
Nice video ...of course the Stelvio is the best choice
Fadi Jiha except didn’t it break down in real world testing in LA? I’ll stick with Porsche
dont worry it doesnt break down because it have a ferrari engine and they made it in excellent materials
Fadi Jiha if you like hideous vehicles
No...you're thinking about the 911 with the IMS Bearing...or perhaps the M 5 with the SMG Clutch and Rod Bearing problem...or maybe the E 46 M 3 with the SUBFRAME CRACKS ....should I keep on going....All you GERMAN FANBOYS need to wake up and stop drinking the GERMAN KOOL AID...Is there anything more unreliable than a German car out of warranty....
This is a Ferrari engineered Cross over...Unlike your Porsche which, sadly, is a GLORIFIED VW that is FWD bias...It's not even in the same league....Enjoy your Kool Aid...
And you're putting GERMAN cars and reliability in the same sentence ? EMBARRASSING....
3.94 is very impressive 👍🏻
grtelli
Motortrend ran 3.3, this guy can’t drive
@@electriceyeslide5959 nonsense. You don't know how much grip was on this road. Also motortrend does a 1ft roll out so it's 0-60 times are always ridiculous compared to the manufacturers claim. Always faster.
D
Not true.
I’ve driven the car myself and I used to own a Cayenne Turbo and 911 Turbo. I’ve driven these cars. The guy can’t drive.
3.7 is even more impressive
@Ethan Pae if alfa had......
400 HP and 406 lb ft of TORQUE and 7 speed PDK leading to 4.62 0-60 vs
505 HP and 443 lb ft of TORQUE and 8 speed Auto leading to 3.94 0-60....
and it's $10 K Cheaper and it's Ferrari engineered Vs VW (EMBARRASSING) and it has a RWD bias vs a FWD bias....OK...FORZA ALFA....GOT IT....MIC DROP !!!!!!
Dino Pappous hai riassunto il mio pensiero! Grane Dino e forza Alfa 😎🍀🇮🇹
Michelangelo.....LOVE.....LOVE ....LOVE !!!!! AMORE ~!!!!!
What is so wrong with vw? "Ferrari engineered", you realize vw makes and owns bugatti right? is the Veyron or Chiron a pos?
motherofmusic 2 i would prefer to buy a Ferrari a thousand times rather than a bugatti
There is no history between VW and Bugatti....it is only mergers and acquisitions....Lies and deceit so as to create a super conglomerate and rule the world...Typical German mentality....Where is VW's Fangio, Nuvolari, Ascari, Chiti, Jano.....??? The answer is they do not exist...Ferrari and Alfa have legendary racing history and pedigree that cannot be bought....It must be born !!! FORZA ALFA BABY
I like the way The Fast Lane Car is going. The new videos have some filters and color grading that make them look awesome
As italian i'm a fan of the Stelvio, but these are both great cars
Alfa Romeo 🤗
Stelvio Q.V. is better the the Macan in everyway. It sound great and love love love those shift paddles
'In Every Way?" Are you serious? You just know you would have all kinds quality issues with the Alfa in the long-run. The Alfa is quicker but also has 100 more HP. If the Macan had 500+ HP, it wouldn't even be close!
Brian D. If the Porsche had built a version with 500hp they would charge another $20,000 on top of the $95,000 for the 400hp version. Porsche prices have gone insane the last 10 years.
there's no Q.V. Only Q
Did he have launch control. Also you can cobb tune and not sure it's faster and Alfa will drop like a rock in price used. and reliability????????????
macan is higher quality, has more tech, better comfort. Not true
Wow, the squat and launch of the Alpha looked great!
Alfa all day everyday!
7birchlane Yep all day every day fixing problems!
Dg G....FORZA ALFA BABY....PORSCHE = VW !!!!!
muto!
Non puoi tacere la verità
Ethan Pae Porsche + Audi =VW Garbage 👎🏼
Alfa Romeo for ever
Dj gamerTM Ha Ha Ha Ha Yep problems for ever. And since the alfa 75 it’s just another fiat product! So maybe fiat forever??? 😂😂😂
Dg G perché ti rode il culo così? Questo giro la macan deve stare mutaaaa
Porsche diesel engine with Fiat Commonrail. You never get the Power in a diesel without Fiat commonrail
But Alfa Romeo more Ferrari or Maserati as Fiat.
Porsche 360 Modena my 2017 Ducato 2.3jtd already had a crack in the block and the Egr is already replaced. 10.000 km Now. It’s realy crap!! But diesels Are finished anyway.
Julia m3 beater
Stelvio Porsche beater
Enough said
Alfa Romeo is really on top of their game
*giulia
Except it probably broke down the next day.
YOU ARE MISTAKEN BMW FANBOY >>>> GIULIA SPANKS M 3 and M 4 ALL DAY LONG...
BMW = Big Money Waste
I keep trying to teach you but I guess you're just plain STUPID
PORSCHE + AUDI = VW
Alfa = FERRARI.......MIC DROP ON LATVIETIS !!!!
I choose Alfa Romeo 🍀
@Ethan Pae Douschy Douscherson
@Joseph Pae ... EVERYBODY CHOOSES ALFA ROMEO... EXCEPT FOR CLUELESS GERMAN FANBOYS
@@dinopappous6639 lol
@@Buttersthecavapoo ...
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid tool
@@dinopappous6639 hey it’s me ethan pae
OMG, the Stelvio sounds amazing!!! Its another explendid car from Alfa!
105 hp is a huge difference,I'd still take the proven reliability and pedigree of a Porsche over an Alfa any day.
Thanks Marchionne for bringing back the real Alfa Romeo as it used to be before FIAT bought it!!!
Amazing! Great news for Alfa Romeo...finally, a world class vehicle.
The Alfa is definitely faster and more powerful however, I like the interior and build quality of the Porche better and with the prices they're both asking (not cheap) that becomes an important consideration for me as well. Good review.
Gregory Trane I love Porsches as well but there's something clean and simple about the alpha's interior. Very basic, driver's car. Both great cars.
Gregory....too many buttons on that Porsche center console....Alfa has much cleaner, more elegant execution of interior....
Dino Pappous. "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," have a good day.
Seeing that I am the "Beholder" , I am the true judge of Beauty!!!.....The Porsche is a GLORIFIED VW !!! based on a FWD Chassis with GOBS OF UNDERSTEER !! TOO MUCH WEIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FRONT AXLE IN TYPICAL VW FASHION.....Alfa = Ferrari....Porsche = VW !!! FORZA ALFA BABY....Gregory....HAVE A GREAT LIFE !!!!
Come on Gregory....waiting for your reply regarding your overpriced glorified VW....FORZA ALFA BABY...
FORZA ITALIA!!!!
Alfa is the best!
@Ethan Pae then get one. the new alfa is nothing like the old one were. the car was engineerd by ferrari engineers and its reliabilty is just as good, if not even better, than any german car
@Ethan Pae new alfa are very reliable
I give the Alfa the nod in looks, sound, and bang for the buck
Alfa's first effort and they embarrass both BMW and Porsche with their Quadrifoglio versions.
Welcome back Alfa!
Actually, in the carwow drag race, macan beat the stelvio
Great review. Very impressive 0-60 times for backroad testing. Does the Porsche have launch control or is that part of the “Performance Pack” as well? Porsche has made pricey add-ons an art form. When all is said and done, the Alfa is a much better value plus the Italian design is just so sexy. My head says Porsche. My heart says Alfa. (Alfa would never provide a vehicle it couldn’t out perform.)
Paul Sparrow I believe thats comes in performance package.
I drive the Porsche macan GTS. It's easily the best and most comfortable car we've ever owned. 0-62 in 5s when you need it. Super comfy and calm when you don't! And the build and reliability is better than Alfa.. there's a reason top gear mock them so much!
I bought the Alfa,and I am so happy.
Hi Andre, thank you for the comparison. It's nice to see that Alfa is on the right track with the Stelvio.
not a proper comparison, Stelvio is slightly bigger than the Macan and has more power. should go against the Cayenne Turbo.
BECAUSE I PREACH THE TRUTH....I'm NOT A SHEEP LIKE ALL THE GERMAN FANBOYS...
The history cannot be denied..
"Ferdinand Porsche[3] (3 September 1875 - 30 January 1951) was an automotive engineer and founder of the Porsche car company. He is best known for creating the Volkswagen Beetle"
"December 1945, French authorities arrested Porsche, Anton Piëch, and Ferry Porsche as war criminals."
"Anton Piëch was an Austrian lawyer and the son-in-law of Ferdinand Porsche. He headed Volkswagenwerk GmbH between 1941 and 1945, which produced the Volkswagen vehicles (KdF-Wagen) at the factory in Wolfsburg, Germany."
"Ferdinand Karl Piëch (born 17 April 1937) is an Austrian business magnate, engineer and executive who was the chairman of the supervisory board (Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender) of Volkswagen Group."
SHOULD I GO ON ?
CLEARLY PORSCHE = VW !!!
"Vittorio Jano was an Italian automobile designer of Hungarian descent from the 1920s through 1960s. At Alfa Romeo his first design was the 8-cylinder in-line mounted P2 Grand Prix car, which won Alfa Romeo the inaugural world championship for Grand Prix cars in 1925. In 1932, he produced the sensational P3 model which later was raced with great success by Enzo Ferrari when he began Scuderia Ferrari in 1933."
CLEARLY ALFA = FERRARI....
I CANNOT CONTINUE TRYING TO EDUCATE IDIOTS !!!! MIC DROP ON ALL THE GERMAN FAN BOYS
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Alfa is way better !!!! Can’t beat that
Ethan Pae in family we got 2 alfas and we used to have another one.we never experienced any serious issue with them, only the power steering wheel in one of them, replaced under warranty and that’s it. We got Diesel engines and those are bullit prove. In fact the Alfa 156 back in 97 was the first car to have common rail technology. Today fiat’s Diesel still ones of the best of the market. Than yeah, probably might experience electronic issues in the future, or the interiors won’t be in perfect shape but... they are definitely worth it
I'm in love with the quadrifoglio cars 😍
Stelvio sounds better. And it is faster.
Take it easy Porsche.. greetings from Alfa Romeo Cassino Plant.
FORZA ALFA BABY !!!
THE KING IS BACK !!!
@Ethan Pae SUCK IT DAWG
@Ethan Pae oh...so, finally, Porsche discovered carbon ceramic?? Welcome to 2020 and here you are a Cup for be the shortest brake stop... when he told you "superior power" the video just ended.
alfa romeo great car great handles!
I would buy the Stelvio just for the engine itself and all tha carbon fiber driveshaft, let alone the looks, the steering, the diving experience, tech and others traditional Alfa quorks.
I liked the format and editing of this video a lot better than most of the other videos on this channel.
Two very nice cars. Alfa all new, good styling, excellent exhaust notes. Alfa for me too.
For that price, I'd buy a Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk. Both suvs are excellent though.
still a jeep lmao
Same
I'd take the Porsche any day of the week. I love understated looks, love the interior and the badge
Poser
BYE BYE PORSCHE...
@Ethan Pae You don't want to really enter into that discussion do you ?
IMS bearing anybody ??
GLORIFIED VW FANBOYS UNITE....You've been EMBARRASSED !!!!
FORZA ALFA BABY !!! THE KING IS BACK !!!!
@Ethan Pae BRILLIANT...YOU HAVE DEFEATED THE INTERNET ASSHOLE....!!!
@Ethan Pae Time for math class....
Porsche + Audi = GLORIFIED VW
ALFA = Ferrari .....
NEXT !!!!
@Ethan Pae HAHAHAHAHAHA....definitely under your skin there Nazi boy !!!
Which races to 50% depreciation faster..... I think the Alfa will win this one also.
u dont buy a car to sell it
mikeythebold tv i would like to buy another car after 4 years. So i got the better build macan.
But now the porsche SILENT!!!!!
mikeythebold tv Well, not solely to sell, but that is something considered by most buyers.
MACAN = FWD GLORIFIED VW....DRINK THE KOOL AID FANBOY
I take the Alfa Romeo
4:22 Did you see that wheelspin? Wow!!!!
Growing up in the 80's thinking my dream car was a 5.0 mustang. They were what? 8 sec cars? The new muscle car era is awesome. Now I need some more money! lol
Andre dont let Nathan see you having all that fun in the Stelvio !! Good stuff Thanks
Great video Andrej, just the way they should be, short, informative and fun to watch.
finaly i see on youtube a driver that knows how to quick launch an automatic gearbox ....wow... thumbs up man
The Ferrari engine is very tough! why all these buttons in the Porsche, is a German custom?
That Stelvio is a beast!!
Do you need to be fastest to get to the supermarket? What is far more important is how well your money is spent. Porsche ranks near top for reliability. Alfa is so low it almost isn’t on the scale. There’s a reason Italian cars disappeared from the USA market for a long time - and those reasons still exist. As sexy as it may seem, I wouldn’t want the Alfa even if it was gifted to me.
Porsche is beautiful... but Alfa Romeo is art...
Stelvio of course
Cute Vid! Now Take the top of the line Porsche to race with top of line Alfa! The Turbo S would destroy the ALfa thats why. Then test them on the track and the Alfa would look even worse!
It is like comparing a bike with a motorbike. Let's not joke, the Stelvio is nice but there is not a single feature that the Macan needs from the Alfa
The Stelvio is actually lighter
Alfa Romeo
pure class
I really think my mom should get this car because it could fit our whole family and me and my brother looooovvvveee sports cars... ITS PERFECT!!!!!!
Alfa is faster, sounds better, handles better, looks better, is cheaper, is more unique and overall this is more car for the money. Definitely Alfa!
The ALFA is a LOT of performance for the dollar. No denying that both cars are great, but I would have go with the Alfa. Oh wait, I DID! ;-) Got a Base Stelvio sitting in my garage right now. Ti Sport. We were going to buy the base Macan, but the same sort of reality became very clear. As a guy who appreciates a driver oriented car, after driving both, as well as an X3, an X5, and a Q7, the Stelvio came home with me, and I saved 14.5 grand over the cost of the Macan we were about to buy!
I work for The Alfa / Jeep brand in South Africa... I must say that the Stelvio, Giulia and Fiat fullback will be game changers
Do they make/manufacture the Alfa there, in South Africa?
Wow - so the Dodge Challenger is a bargain!
Macan is faster, sounds better, higher quality and better looking. No competition.
So let's see....we have a FWD bias glorified VW vs a RWD bias Ferrari inspired and engineered opponent....I mean, do I really need to watch this ?
but vw is also lamborghini and bentley so dont shit. Alfa is better and the end of love story
Do you even car bro?
Now I know why you hide behind a moniker like "Master Card"....can't even construct a sentence !!!! WTF does this mean ? "Do you even car bro?" ???
FORSA ALFA MASTER CARD BABY !!!!
Wrong....Lambo and Bentley have no history with VW....it is only mergers and acquisitions and corporate greed.....Takeovers executed by lies and greed...
Then why comment if you're gonna be biased and not impartial?
I would choose the Alpha but would worry a little about reliability.
Once Andre said Alfa provided the Porsche for comparison purposes, I knew the Stelvio would win. I'd like to see a Mercedes AMG, Audi RS, or Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT equivalent comparison.
My parents are Italian so you would think I'd pick the Stelvio. Well, yes and no. Why, because I'm not sold on Stelvio's looks, which is a shame. The Germans really do understated styling with panache! Ciao regazzi :)
Well , I can’t afford a Stelvio ☹️...but I have a GTV6 in the garage😁
Skip the two and get a JGC Trackhawk for similar money. Plus the Trackhawk is faster.
There is a compact luxury performance cat for everyone in the market. Alfa is fastest, Porsche Macan is most luxurious especially with new interior coming, GLC 45amg is best looking, BMW is has the best key fob but ugliest and Audi SQ5 has the best technology and value.
I own a Stelvio... much better than any other SUV
The Alfa kicks the Porsche’s ass with launch control
thanks for the video. Love Alfa.
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the Alfa was the lightest of all if not most in its class? Also, official acceleration times have been clocked at 3.8sec but some testers have seen 3.6. Eitherway, great review!! :)
I ride sport bikes and love the exhaust sound on the Alpha.
thank you for real-world testing results! Stelvio will be huge seller bye bye overpriced Macan
ruclips.net/video/Y8uJq1KXBik/видео.html BYE BYE FIAT 500X
That stelvio is just a different beast 😅
Ferrari V6 Turbo sounds: Damnn good
Ferrari V8 Turbo sounds: mehhh
If I had to choose one of these It would be the Alfa and not just because it's faster 0-60 It's also much nicer esp. the exterior. Better sound, better handling
quality and techonlogy la better i macan.
the macan is the suv n1 so behind alfa you will find a ferrari ingeniring
that used a macan as confront.
and macan is older,alfa is new.
they have different engins.alfa used ferrari techonlogy only performance,macan is all' around.
Well the Stelvio looks better, sounds better...but still nothing like the porsche driving experience.
Hey TYLER SAVILLE...straight from a Porsche Forum...
Just wanted to reach out and see if anyone has had similar problems with their Macans. I recently (2 months ago) purchased a 2016 Macan S (new). I have owned several porsches from a 944, to 996 GT3, Gen 1 Cayenne Turbo, 2011 Cayenne S, 964 RSA, and soon to be a Cayman GTB1 car so I am a huge huge Porsche fanatic (family has owned several others). I was pretty excited to trade my Cayenne S in for the new Macan as it was a perfect daily driver for me. Fast forward about 3 weeks and 1800 miles into ownership (I drive a lot) and my first check engine light issue started. I was sitting in traffic and I got a check engine light that said "Engine control unit failure" "Reduce Power" and an "Ok to drive". I drove it to the shop thinking it was some silly ECU issue that they would just reflash. They thought the same thing, flashed the ECU and I went on my way. Five minutes later the same issue popped up and back I went to the dealer (who btw has been great to deal with throughout the process).
This time the car sat at the shop for roughly three weeks. They tried several repairs that never fixed the problem. I received a call early last week that said they had narrowed the problem to a slit in the pipe leading to the wastegate that was not allowing the car to hold boost. Simple enough I figured so I got the car back last Tuesday and only drove it a few miles without issue. On Wednesday morning, I get on the highway and while accelerating the same problem happened. Same check engine light, same reduce power issue and back to the shop it went. Still no idea what is causing the problem and as of today the car has been in the shop more than I have driven it. My dealer has been nothing but good to me throughout, and its naturally not their fault, but I am pretty bummed about the whole Macan experience thus far. It is an amazing car, handles great, looks great, quick enough and I love everything about it, but figured id see if anyone else on the forum has had similar issues.
If the car stays in the shop much longer ill be working with the dealer on trading me out of it and into a Macan GTS (it was released right after I bought mine). Hoping the GTS gives me less problems.
Here's another MACAN Driver's concerns...
" I do have some problems. Main beam didn't work from new and I had to return it to the garage. SatNav is very poor VW parts bin model. I've been used to TomTom and will use this instead. Phone system doesn't have voice instruction; surely a 21st century need. Sunvisors are really small and I'm going to see if there is an aftermarket replacement. I suppose the driving technology is what's important but disappointing that Porsche don't seem to have access to the best IT."
UBER QUALITY MY ASS....FORZA ALFA BABY.....
Love seeing the stylish Italian beating the german! Also love the Massa suv too..
I don't want to see the video... I know in advance that in this case Alfa is better. We can talk about technology, infotainment etc... ok Porsche is better (like Audi, Bmw..) but for the rest the Stelvio is another planet. ALFA ROMEO built cars, not Smartphone with wheels. Anyway Porsche in general is fantastic too. Is the best brand from Germany
Pretty sure that Porsche could squeeze 100+ more HP from their 3.6l V6 turbo. Considering that they can get 520hp from their 'non-turbo' 4.0l flat 6 in the GT3-RS. The Alfa is quick but seems a little lacking in interior materials and quality. It would be fun to blast through some mountain roads on a weekend getaway but would much prefer to 'live-with' the Macan as a daily driver.
3:25 thanks for reving it cold
NEWS FLASH - 500bhp car is faster than 400bhp car!!
You've got to be out of our mind to get Alfa Romeo instead of Porsche. Direct competitor my ass
wow, this alfa is amazing
Biased? Performance package would yield 440 Hp on the Macan and launch control would have been a 4 or 3.9 second zero to 60...this video is biased. Let's see what would I rather own Porsche or a glorified Fiat... I will take the Macan and it's much more reliable too.
Why no Porsche Cayenne turbo S??
I'm a Alfa fanatic but i prefer the sound of the Porsche. I'd still take the Alfa though much better looking car IMO.
porsche is so boooooooooring...
stfu
ruclips.net/video/Y8uJq1KXBik/видео.html BYE BYE ALFA
Go drive one then lol
The Porsche might have some more options, but the Alfa has so much passion in everything that it's a better car!
Suv?? No thanks. Porsche and Alfaromeo are 2 sports trademark, one Suv is without sense. For me this category is the worst. Alfaromeo is 4C and Giulia QV, Porsche is 911 GT3, stop.
E le porsche MUTEEEEEE
Luis Santuzzi ... Muuute e .. impolveraate 😆
Notate i commenti tutti a favore dell'Alfa in questo video e in altri video stranieri, solo noi ci facciamo la guerra in casa e preferiamo i marchi esteri...
0 to 60 times are great if you are racing to the next stop light but are they any good off road or are the just glorified minivans?