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She isn’t his girlfriend. She was his therapist. He was seeing her and nobody knew. She told him about the other client to build trust between the two so he would open up. He has issues with women because his mother cheated on his father.
Psychologist here. A subpoena from an attorney to testify at a deposition can be ignored. It is simply a request and carries no legal sanctions if not acted on. However a subpoena from the court is an entirely different manner and you MUST respond to it or be in contempt of court.
To wit: Methinks her "butt hurts." I'd have at least "hit it" one more (BIGLY) time, (maybe more; lol) before she exits/joins the "departed." Surprised Harvey didn't calculate/plan this (better).
Which is the definition of humiliating. Pointed out the flaw and put pressure on it, exposing. When you are on the moral ground pointing faults, that when you humiliate someone.
@@bionmccool I don't think there is any better way to phrase this. If someone struggles to understand what they read, it's mostly because of their lack of understanding of what they read, and not how things are phrased. In this case, it's as clear as a bell. BTW, grammatically, it's incorrect to say "this things". It's either "these things" or "this thing". If the noun is plural, you need to use a plural pronoun too. 👍
English prolly isn’t his 1st language and chances are was writing from accent. But you are accurate. Maybe, except for the last part. A high ground of moral, does exist. Its just that, there was no character present in the video that could stand on it.
Harvey is entirely in the right here. She's a therapist, and she completely and utterly betrayed her clients trust. There is absolutely no way she didn't know about the legal agreement the guy had to sign, so for her to despite that go through with therapy as normal, and then pull this on him is an absolute betrayal. On top of that she was given an out to be a good person, refused to take it, and then is angry when harvey does everything he can to save an innocent man
The guy himself knew what he signed as well. He could have taken another therapist. She lying would open her up to so much more problems down the road. And Harvey asking her to lie is pretty bad in itself.
i only ever watch clips of this show... how exactly were they able to force her to waive patient-psychotherapist privilege? This show is supposedly set in the US and that privilege is absolutely sacrosanct under the law here and not even a judge can order a therapist to waive it.
@@sihfbns Med student here. Psychiatry is the one field where it doesn't matter if that patient is no longer under your care....you are NEVER allowed to enter a romantic relationship with them if they have ever been treated by you. In reality, she would lose her license if that ever got out.
A lawyer that told someone to destroy evidence and commit perjury. Can you say "disbarment proceedings"? Because the girlfriend can now get him disbarred in an instant. He set himself up to be blackmailed by her for the rest of his life.
Lol Harvey has a point. The guy trusted her and she still rolled on him to protect herself because she didn’t want to take the risk of being exposed for lying under oath.
@@KC-pw5gg No, but she shouldn't be hypocritical and say Harvey did something wrong and betrayed her trust, when she did the same thing. Harvey didn't want to out her secret any more than she wanted to testify against Sam, but just as she was forced to do it Harvey was forced to do what he did to keep his client out of prison.
Or maybe.. just maybe? She was just following the law because the guy that trusted her signed a dumb waiver and now sees consequences for his actions. That does not mean she has to lie under oath. Why should she commit a crime because he made large mistakes..
@@unholyquail4560 she signed that waiver too genius. She couldn't be pressured to give away information from her clients for something her client signed.
She tried to twist Harvey’s motives to make herself look like the victim and then she calls Harvey a narcissist. Can she have her license revoked for trying to psychologically bully her patients?
That's all women... Twist word's and corroborate with each other to lie away an actual event that happens to get one of them out trouble in losing their job because she threatened another employee but they lie to protect the person who did the action because they can be katty and dramatic with each other at work.... Happen to me I recorded it and haven't revealed that I have it on record... as Men.. we have to prove our case but females word of mouth is good enough in an office or casual meet up... men should do the same ... Back each other up....LOL
This is all on the therapist. She phrased her answer to imply he felt guilty for doing some thing illegal, which she doesn’t know and he never told her. She effectively lied in her response.
The hand wave by Harvey at 6:13 and the 5 seconds that follow really capture the internal conflict Harvey had about the lengths he was willing to go to.
The hand wave and by the look in his face, he was to show confidence and to tell his opponent that he is going to annihilate him, as he did. If hadn't decided already to do what he did, he wouldn't have done the gesture. The pause, and the look in his face again, showed that he was sorry about what he was going to do to her. Whatever conflict he had, he overpassed it when they had the argument the night before.
it's actually real, basically, company therapists work for the company, and they have an obligation to tell the company if they deem necessary/asked for it. moral of the story: never talk to a company therapist
best summerised by mike ross ...harvey has the ability to forget that the person in the stand is human and humiliate him ...but thats the quality that makes him such a good lawyer
I’m no lawyer, but to me they are hitting the wrong points here. It doesn’t matter if he feels guilty about the way the trade went. It doesn’t matter how much money he lost his client, it doesn’t matter if he took risks and lost. The issue at hand is whether or not the client was aware of what he was doing. That’s the issue I would have pressed the therapist for which would have allowed her to maintain her integrity and dignity. Ask her, did he ever admit to you of withholding information from the other party? If she says no, then problem solved. Because he can feel guilty all he wants about maybe making the wrong move, but as long as he had the approval of the client when he made those moves he can’t be charged.
He didn't need approval from the client he needed approval from the company(higher ups). Many investment firms are hired expressly to act independently in what they believe is their clients best financial interest. The debate in this episode is that the company apparently liked to "verbally" approve such deals so that they could protect themselves from liability. Which...I'm not in such a position but I would probably walk away from working at such a company for this exact reason.
@@m.r5039 Except this would be an exception as her job is literally about what someone tells her and hearsay rarely applies to conversations between the one on trial talk and the witness.
In addition to the unprofessionalism of her accusation, it was also wildly inaccurate. Paula should have known better than most that Harvey is many things, but he is not a narcissist. His whole reason for needing therapy to begin with was how badly he was attached to Donna and feared her rejecting/abandoning him, which is antithetical to a narcissist's defining traits. I truly don't understand people who think Harvey should have stuck with Paula: their relationship was based on transference, and Harvey treated her like a hiding place from the rest of his life. A life Paula absolutely didn't like or understand every time she came in contact with it.
@@SophisticateHouseOfFashion She was attracted to powerful, important clients, as she says of that client whose child died, "he was an important client and I couldn't turn him down." Harvey, a strong lawyer, full of success, money and handsome was to her liking. Unfortunately for Sam Tull, he wasn't important, so Paula didn't care that he could go innocent in prison. She cared more about her wounded pride.
I mean, he outright told her to commit perjury too and the whole shows premise was him covering for someone who was illegally practising the law under him. Not to mention assault, blackmail. Plenty of the main cast should be disbarred and have criminal records
@@BellaSharif14 She betrayed her patients. The ethics code of the profession makes it clear our duty is to the patient, not the person paying the bill. At best, you can give a report that has been made anonymous. By this I mean, make a monthly or yearly report of the issues faced by the patients. For example something like this: "this month I have received 12 people from the company (you don't give their names), and the main issues they talked about are conflicts with their manager, impossible to achieve objectives and overtime not being properly compensated".
@@BellaSharif14 Then he didn't betray her, because she wasn't his client. That's a twisted way to fill better when betraying someone. He opened up to her, from that moment disclosure of that information is a betrayal. If you don't want to betray your patients - do not work with corporate clients. It's still therapist's fault.
What kind of therapist signs a waiver saying they'll turn over their session notes to a corporation just because they're paying the bill? Would any of the employees of that company talk to you if they knew that? Would any clients anywhere ever trust you if they knew that?
They needed a plot point and they needed a way to incorporate the therapist lady because this problem between her and harvey is central to harvey's character arc in this season.
No psychologist would ever waive privilege when it comes to a client. Since I've got a bunch of some would's about psychologists not waiving privilege. I'll say, psychologists with integrity and an ethical backbone would not.
@@butercumdribbleiii8033 I don't make judgements pertaining to real people like I would in a TV show. Why would you! Most politicians are garbage. Many CEOS are garbage. The thing is. I made a comment on a fictional character. You likened it to real life. In real life they have a legal mandate not to divulge conversations between them and a client. Same as a priest or attorney. Not sure of your thought process on this one. Also I never said anything about a politician.
@@mlblja I wasn’t pertaining to the tv show at all ☺️. If you trust ppl and give them personal information u are allowing them to have an edge over you. Just cause you let a nice guy have an edge against ur throat doesn’t mean he’ll kill you on purpose. Tiny little mistake ends ur life. If you think every therapist is good then that’s on you I’m not gunna protect an idiot. But I will tell him he’s an idiot
@@butercumdribbleiii8033 You made an assumption that I thought every therapist was good. I don't know every therapist so I wouldn't know. Of the ones I do know there's one I trusted. As for politicians The ones really trying to make our lives better should be in leadership. The ones not doing that should never hold office again.
The real villain is a company who requires a waiver for a company-sponsored therapist. Either you care about your employees and let them talk freely and without fear of consequences to the therapist or you just don't provide one. This "talk about everything that burdens you (but only if you agree that we can hear all of it)" BS is a level of evil that is outlawed in many, many countries for very good reasons.
Dand it, Suits is one of the best TV series I've ever seen. I'm now in S3 E11 and I've been addicted to continue seeing it. I just can't stop myself because it's too damn good. It's only 9 seasons and I have no idea why it's stopped at 9 on 2019. What a pity.
If she, as a corporate therapist, couldn’t understand the full consequences of signing such a waiver, then she had no reason being in that spot in the first place. Harvey went easy on her
@@MikeKollin If she really wanted the moral high ground she'd stop working for companies that put their bottom line over the well being of her patients.
The cast is solid but the writing ? Nah. Just guilty pleasure drama. The legal part of this is not realistic at all, and some of the characters are not consistent or believable.
Dime a dozen therapist who reads into everything and believes this makes them an empath, when in fact it just makes them believe they have the moral high ground and are above reproach, regardless of their actions.
Sadly there are only few individuals who can booth truly understand and feel a clients case while maintaining a professional distance and academical stance. Who genurnly care for their clients and are cut out for the profession. Most go in the field thinking they have empathy and will change the world. Or just because its a well paid profession.
I work for a law firm and I used to work for a Judge. Subpoenas from the attorneys are not the same as those from the Court. You can object to being subpoenaed and take it before the Judge. It's only mandatory if the Judge says it is.
@@UMninja Depends. If someone is trying to get out of it just to be difficult, then you're correct, it's a waste of time and money. If there's a legally legitimate reason against being subpoenaed, then it's not a waste. I've only ever witnessed 2 people, both experts, get a judge to exclude them from having to appear to an attorney's subpoena and they were both due to bad faith by the attorneys.
Thing is she put herself in a lose lose situation. She goes with what Harvey wants, her employer would fire her for not cooperating and possibly get her blackballed. If she follows the company line she gets discredited, which likely also gets her fired and again blackballed. Moral of the story: don't put yourself into working against Harvey. The only time you might be able to trust him is either you work for him, work with him, or he works for you.😅😅😅
No, she just showed she's not competent to be a therapist. No therapist would ever agree to provide therapy to someone without it being protected by patient therapist confidentiality. And that's ignoring the fact she's boning one of her patients.
Harvey is right, and her calling him all the things she did are just outward manifestations of why the as a person is angry at the end of it. She herself is the person who she describes when she insults him.
I don't feel sorry for her in the least. She should have made it clear in session that his guilty feelings were not a result of actually being guilty. If she worked for the company then she knew what she was doing the whole time.
I feel like there's a better way to go about this which would be that often people have feelings of guilt about things that doesn't imply actual guilt hence the reason for seeing a therapist. But of course that wouldn't have been nearly as interesting of a storyline...
No therapist in their right mind would have given the testimony that she did. She didn't even use the LANGUAGE of therapy in her testimony, which shows an obvious gap in the skills of the people who wrote the show. Any competent therapist would have been talking about the feeling and emotions of their client, not their words, because the words themselves are not important. In response to the pivotal question about how the client described his feelings about the massive loss, any decent therapist would have responded along the lines of "It's not my job to tell my client -- or you -- how my client felt at that moment in terms of specific emotional states. Trying to do so is foolish, and you're asking the entirely wrong question. My client came to speak with me to work through the difficult situation that he found himself in and how he could cope with the stress it placed on him so that he could get back to being fully functional in both his personal and private life."
I don't know what to make of her testimony, but the writers have been giving us all the clues about Paula's character since Harvey's therapy session. She is unethical, selfish, hypocritical and not very intelligent. These attributes are put behind a beautiful face with a bright smile and a calm voice. Unfortunately, most do not see beyond her external appearance and appreciate her only for her physical qualities
Precisely . The writers decided , as the succesful in entertainment so often do , that the fact they were presenting absolute bs didn't MATTER . It matters.
So by undermining her he protected her client that she felt bad she was being forced to work against, thereby saving the guy she wanted to save, which saved her without forcing her to lie and violate ethics but in doing so it undercut her ego. So really her ego and pride meant more than the right thing or the guy going to prison.
How easily she could have destroyed Harvey by saying under oath: Hey! Remember last night when you came into my office to push me to lie about your client in order to win?
I love how everyone is angry at the therapist for betraying her client's trust meanwhile there is a clause in the company contract requiring that information be accessible.
"hey there therapist who is supposed to care about people and be someone they can trust, come work for us, we will have you spy, tattle on, and abuse the trust of everyone that comes to you for help" if you actually wanted to help people, that job pitch would be abhorrent to you
A lot didn't make sense in this episode. Him feeling guilty has nothing to do with the trade being approved. It really doesn't seem like Harvey had some side thing going in his head about his mother when he went after her, that's literally what he does in every episode.
Thats the beauty of the writing. The things you just highlighted aren't inconsistencies, they're completely deliberate to showcase the fluctuating nature of the characters
What i was thinking was: why would they reveal a new testimony until they're counterexaminating the guy? Shouldn't they disclose it before depositions take place?
At the point when he found out his girlfriend was the counselor, it became conflict of interest. He should have resigned. A bar would take him apart for that. Even though he acted in his clients best interest, that should not have been allowed.
@@BellaSharif14 and every bone in my body is protesting the absolute nonsense scenario of WILLINGLY BEING YOUR EX-PARTNERS THERAPIST, that's a factor no one seems to be mentioning? She should never have seen him in an office setting, ever. She should have immediately but politely redirected him to another mental health professional. Rule One, doctors aren't friends. You can be a doctor, or you can be their friend, but you can't ethically be both. If they started dating after he was her patient that's possibly WORSE and changes nothing as far as I'm concerned. This doc ought to be outta work, and not for the waiver release nonsense.
I know no one talks like this in real life, this is just TV drama, but you gotta love how high everyone is riding on their horses as they try to mow people down
Harvey gave an absolute savage reply to other lawyer by mimickinghis quote with a funny expression" Dr agard, you are under oath and if will not answer, I will have a judge comply you to answer".
She says at 7:55 that Harvey “walked out of our session,” meaning this relationship started as therapist/patient. If they are in a romantic relationship, she is committing serious ethics violations and will lose her license. Even if she revealed the info Harvey used in the deposition, that’s a breach of ethics AND HIPAA. Second thought: how does she still have a license if she’s telling a current/former client about OTHER former clients in downtime?
Hot take. Having a therapist to open up to and help with mental issues and them being, by law, required to keep the conversations a secret, but then being able to just openly talk about it makes the therapist a liability that you shouldn´t rely on.
That was his warning to her, because even though she would not protect her client, he will. Harvey is compelled by law to do anything to protect his client. The fact that she as a therapist would agree to share a clients personal life with an employer shows she is a sell out. She cant get enough business while maintaining confidentiality I guess
@@raulbetancourt5795 thats not true at all. She is paid by the company but not employed by them. She never had to sign that waiver that allowed the clients therapy sessions to be admissible on court. She did it because the company pressured her just like Harvey said
really? what about the ethical violation she committed when she got a patient released from rehab at the demands of another client who was paying the bill and then the person she stopped treating died from an overdose? Is that really less of an ethical problem than intentionally putting someone in harms way?
@@bmf1515 But the company paid her, with the waiver probably being in the contract. The person who was stupid was the patient, because he signed that waiver. He could well have searched for his own therapist, which is not provided by the company. If he signed the waiver, he should have read it beforehand.
She is crazy. What does his mother have to do with their professional relationship? The problems with his mother affected his emotional not professional relationships. In her mind had she already started to fantasize with him?
Wich shows you she is unfit for her profession. Not mentioning the fact her phrasing gave the company this option in the first place. If she would have prooerly written out how he may FEEL guilty but apparantly has done nlthing or at least not admitted to have done anything worthy of guilt. But thats how dramas are written, you want as much drama and tension as possible.
The title of this video is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Harvey and Paula started seeing each other long after this happened. Here, Harvey is simply her PATIENT, NOT GIRLFRIEND.
Paula will no longer reveal information to the clients from her private life in therapy sessions She will surely find more professional ways to make his handsome clients talk.
"I opened up to you so that we could built trust, not so that you could humiliate me." "And Sam opened up to you to build trust, not so that you could humiliate him, testify against him, destroy his career, and help send him to jail. So, what's more important to Sam -- you trusting me or him trusting me?" She was 100% in the wrong. She didn't have to testify. Ask for a judge and then take the 5th.
I think it’s pretty important to note that Harvey and the therapist was not dating at this point, but simply client/therapist. They only start their relationship after Harvey resolves his issues.
That's exactly what it is. When they begin their relationship, Harvey's problems are not solved. She knows this and yet she does nothing to help him. She only pursues her own interest
When you saw the waiver you could read through the first page to see the rest of the form and it's a continuation of the waiver form, not some random piece of fluff because 'nobody's going to see it anyway'. They took care to get the detail right. Saw the entire series, loved every bit of it.
Ruin a man's life or slightly offend someone. Tough choice for some. Easy for others. Specter chose to save a man. Agard would have chosen to not be offended.
7:37 is where she brings all of her therapist knowledge and experience into gaslighting him. Despicable but absolutely realistic. I live in SoCal, and I know so many women who know all the self-help pop-psych language, but they use it solely as weapons never to examine their own character. They're 100x worse when they have training and experience.
Hey, you leave Doctor Girlfriend alone! It's bad enough The Monarch is so wrapped up in Arching for Dr. Venture and those brats, that he doesn't have time to appreciate all the hard work she does running the Cocoon, she certainly doesn't need your jibber-jabber!
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She isn’t his girlfriend. She was his therapist. He was seeing her and nobody knew. She told him about the other client to build trust between the two so he would open up.
He has issues with women because his mother cheated on his father.
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I just want to see more about the influencer girl :')
"I will have a judge compel you to answer"... Harvey's expression is priceless 🙂
Psychologist here. A subpoena from an attorney to testify at a deposition can be ignored. It is simply a request and carries no legal sanctions if not acted on. However a subpoena from the court is an entirely different manner and you MUST respond to it or be in contempt of court.
@Lashiv b work related retaliation.
@@williamalexander6130 right then she paid
@@watching789 what’re you saying exactly?
Hence why the lawyers both said that they could ask a court to compel her.
@@nelauren but they didn’t. She could have just said okay, do that. I don’t that it would have been worth the lawyers time
"you may be crying about it but he may be going to jail"
and that right there is the correct choice.
hurt feelings are worth nothing.
Exactly. There's someone else's life at risk
To wit:
Methinks her "butt hurts." I'd have at least "hit it" one more (BIGLY) time, (maybe more; lol) before she exits/joins the "departed." Surprised Harvey didn't calculate/plan this (better).
As men this is an easy choice for us to make, it's logical and straightforward but women are all about feelings.
Great scene. Women should learn about this. Fk ur dumb feelings if somebody else thats innocent is going to jail because of u.
@@judah9906 Nope, not all buddy. You need to get out more 🙄
He didn't humiliate her. He just showed her that this high ground of morality that she was standing on and looking down on him, doesn't exist.
Which is the definition of humiliating. Pointed out the flaw and put pressure on it, exposing. When you are on the moral ground pointing faults, that when you humiliate someone.
@@Calibrex_Gaming I don't think you understood my comment.
@@badseednut I think that while I may see your point, you gotta phrase this things better man.
@@bionmccool I don't think there is any better way to phrase this. If someone struggles to understand what they read, it's mostly because of their lack of understanding of what they read, and not how things are phrased. In this case, it's as clear as a bell. BTW, grammatically, it's incorrect to say "this things". It's either "these things" or "this thing". If the noun is plural, you need to use a plural pronoun too. 👍
English prolly isn’t his 1st language and chances are was writing from accent. But you are accurate. Maybe, except for the last part. A high ground of moral, does exist. Its just that, there was no character present in the video that could stand on it.
Harvey is entirely in the right here. She's a therapist, and she completely and utterly betrayed her clients trust. There is absolutely no way she didn't know about the legal agreement the guy had to sign, so for her to despite that go through with therapy as normal, and then pull this on him is an absolute betrayal. On top of that she was given an out to be a good person, refused to take it, and then is angry when harvey does everything he can to save an innocent man
The guy himself knew what he signed as well. He could have taken another therapist. She lying would open her up to so much more problems down the road. And Harvey asking her to lie is pretty bad in itself.
Didn't he also sign the weaver.
Harvey can't be mad at her for doing her job.... but for her to then be mad that he did his better is pathetic.
i only ever watch clips of this show... how exactly were they able to force her to waive patient-psychotherapist privilege? This show is supposedly set in the US and that privilege is absolutely sacrosanct under the law here and not even a judge can order a therapist to waive it.
@@hamsta11 Yet it gets violated every damn day. Explain that.
A therapist who dated her client has no room to talk about anyone else’s ethics.
Nope. She was a very sweet loving lady. She dated him after he wanted it, after he officially stopped being her patient
@@sihfbnsThat is still not something a good therapist would ever do.
Former client, not client. As long as they follow the rules, they shouldn’t be judged.
@@umikazetube you are incorrect. She could lose her credentials.
@@sihfbns Med student here. Psychiatry is the one field where it doesn't matter if that patient is no longer under your care....you are NEVER allowed to enter a romantic relationship with them if they have ever been treated by you. In reality, she would lose her license if that ever got out.
Harvey knows how hard it was to publicly humiliate his GF but this man goes to length to save his client , that's what a world class lawyer looks like
but at this point she wasnt his girlfriend, Harvey was also her patient at this same moment
A lawyer that told someone to destroy evidence and commit perjury.
Can you say "disbarment proceedings"? Because the girlfriend can now get him disbarred in an instant. He set himself up to be blackmailed by her for the rest of his life.
@@chrisrautmann8936 how would she prove it?
@@WingZeroCustom001 Say no, then later on, ask him what he wants her to do, and get details on how to do it.
its important to know that they're not dating here. She is his therapist....so this title is just wrong.
6:53, lmao, I love this part. I love the little head/eye roll making fun of the other attorney whilst using his own language.
All of us 😂
And it was amazing.
Dr. Agard.. You are under oath and if you don't answer, I'll have a judge compel you to answer.... 😂😂
Yup, I noticed that too!
He’s brilliant 😍
Lol Harvey has a point. The guy trusted her and she still rolled on him to protect herself because she didn’t want to take the risk of being exposed for lying under oath.
So she should then go to jail?
@@KC-pw5gg No, but she shouldn't be hypocritical and say Harvey did something wrong and betrayed her trust, when she did the same thing.
Harvey didn't want to out her secret any more than she wanted to testify against Sam, but just as she was forced to do it Harvey was forced to do what he did to keep his client out of prison.
Or maybe.. just maybe? She was just following the law because the guy that trusted her signed a dumb waiver and now sees consequences for his actions. That does not mean she has to lie under oath. Why should she commit a crime because he made large mistakes..
@@unholyquail4560 she signed that waiver too genius. She couldn't be pressured to give away information from her clients for something her client signed.
@@THEN4ASTY Well the company is employing and paying her she kinda has to "take their side" on this, but that doesnt mean she needs to lie.
She tried to twist Harvey’s motives to make herself look like the victim and then she calls Harvey a narcissist. Can she have her license revoked for trying to psychologically bully her patients?
He's not a patient in this situation. She didn't read the room well
It kinda makes you cringe when a "Therapist" is written to call a man who clearly puts innocent clients well being as his main priority narcisist.
She could be reported and have her licence yanked for quite a lot here.
That's all women... Twist word's and corroborate with each other to lie away an actual event that happens to get one of them out trouble in losing their job because she threatened another employee but they lie to protect the person who did the action because they can be katty and dramatic with each other at work.... Happen to me I recorded it and haven't revealed that I have it on record... as Men.. we have to prove our case but females word of mouth is good enough in an office or casual meet up... men should do the same ... Back each other up....LOL
Hey buddy hate to break it to you but it’s not real life just a show
This is all on the therapist. She phrased her answer to imply he felt guilty for doing some thing illegal, which she doesn’t know and he never told her. She effectively lied in her response.
The hand wave by Harvey at 6:13 and the 5 seconds that follow really capture the internal conflict Harvey had about the lengths he was willing to go to.
The hand wave and by the look in his face, he was to show confidence and to tell his opponent that he is going to annihilate him, as he did. If hadn't decided already to do what he did, he wouldn't have done the gesture. The pause, and the look in his face again, showed that he was sorry about what he was going to do to her. Whatever conflict he had, he overpassed it when they had the argument the night before.
No therapist in there right mind would ever do this to a client. It’s career suicide.
Exactly. Even
With a signed document
@@NaesGalaxyI agree. However, doing something bad is definitely worse than not doing the bad thing for selfish reasons
Bro HIPAA
@@NaesGalaxy that is incorrect. You are still civilised, even if the motivation is to avoid consequences.
@NaesGalaxy I agree on the not a moral person but how's it not civilised
How could any therapist agree to a waver that would compromise the sanctity of therapy?
it's actually real, basically, company therapists work for the company, and they have an obligation to tell the company if they deem necessary/asked for it. moral of the story: never talk to a company therapist
@@mineconertalha and I just know about this now...
@@mineconertalha Wouldnt that violate HIPPA to discuss what was said during a therapy session, company therapist or not?
HIPAA
As usual women are hypocrites!
best summerised by mike ross ...harvey has the ability to forget that the person in the stand is human and humiliate him ...but thats the quality that makes him such a good lawyer
the ability to not let emotions lead...but logics..and the law.
Hard, but that What a lawyer have to do.
Amazing. She would have preferred the man go to jail than have her feelings “hurt”.
Unbelievable.
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Women ☕
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yeah, Emotions vs Logic
Not amazing if you have ever met a woman before
I’m no lawyer, but to me they are hitting the wrong points here. It doesn’t matter if he feels guilty about the way the trade went. It doesn’t matter how much money he lost his client, it doesn’t matter if he took risks and lost. The issue at hand is whether or not the client was aware of what he was doing.
That’s the issue I would have pressed the therapist for which would have allowed her to maintain her integrity and dignity. Ask her, did he ever admit to you of withholding information from the other party? If she says no, then problem solved. Because he can feel guilty all he wants about maybe making the wrong move, but as long as he had the approval of the client when he made those moves he can’t be charged.
Great way to ruin a drama. Use logic.
He didn't need approval from the client he needed approval from the company(higher ups). Many investment firms are hired expressly to act independently in what they believe is their clients best financial interest. The debate in this episode is that the company apparently liked to "verbally" approve such deals so that they could protect themselves from liability. Which...I'm not in such a position but I would probably walk away from working at such a company for this exact reason.
@@davidbeppler3032 Unfortunately lawyers cringe at these dramas
You are right because if she said: he said that he felt… in front of the judge you can’t take that into consideration because it’s hearsay.
@@m.r5039 Except this would be an exception as her job is literally about what someone tells her and hearsay rarely applies to conversations between the one on trial talk and the witness.
Harvey: "He's going to jail!"
Therapist: "Yeah, but you hurt my feelings, and that's worse!"
😂😂😂😂
Women 😅
@@JoshMercado-bs1xv Not all women
@@KharisB.A Ah the "All men are the same" brigade is here defending.
"Self-serving narcissist" is not something a therapist would say. A lousy therapist, maybe.
in the end we saw that she was not smart at all.
In addition to the unprofessionalism of her accusation, it was also wildly inaccurate.
Paula should have known better than most that Harvey is many things, but he is not a narcissist. His whole reason for needing therapy to begin with was how badly he was attached to Donna and feared her rejecting/abandoning him, which is antithetical to a narcissist's defining traits.
I truly don't understand people who think Harvey should have stuck with Paula: their relationship was based on transference, and Harvey treated her like a hiding place from the rest of his life. A life Paula absolutely didn't like or understand every time she came in contact with it.
@@tabithaprovan957 What I meant was that it's a tautology.
@@terenzo50 yeah that too. Phew, Paula was something else wasn't she?
She was betraying one of her clients, I think how lousy she is has already been established.
This is why I like watching law programs. Truth and law intersecting on all levels. Very good writing!
If you think this comes close to law as it is for real, you should visit court more often 😉
This show is only good for entertainment. The writing is poor and wildly unrealistic.
first few episodes are all about what not to do as a lawyer. pretty much all of that would end the law firm
This is about as far from both truth and law as you can get m8. This is about as realistic as "Lord of the Rings."
08:26 the Moment Harevy became truthful mirror to her she played the victim card really well
I admire Harvey's Professionalism
"Harvey ,this isn t about us. no one can ever make me do that to you"
Does her tone say she already has fantasies with the client?
Pure intimacy implied here by her. Why should Harvey be different to any other client?
That's why Harvey pursued her, he knew she wanted him.
@@SophisticateHouseOfFashion
She was attracted to powerful, important clients, as she says of that client whose child died, "he was an important client and I couldn't turn him down." Harvey, a strong lawyer, full of success, money and handsome was to her liking.
Unfortunately for Sam Tull, he wasn't important, so Paula didn't care that he could go
innocent in prison.
She cared more about her wounded pride.
"Dr Agar you're under oath , and if you will not answer , i'll have a judge compel you to anwer " that line from Harvey was Epic 😂😂
I find it hilarious she calls Harvey out for betrayal when she flat out betrays her clients. How is she not in jail for the things she's done?
Because the law forced her too
In this case she wasn’t betraying her client, her client was the company who was footing the bill. 😂
I mean, he outright told her to commit perjury too and the whole shows premise was him covering for someone who was illegally practising the law under him. Not to mention assault, blackmail. Plenty of the main cast should be disbarred and have criminal records
@@BellaSharif14 She betrayed her patients. The ethics code of the profession makes it clear our duty is to the patient, not the person paying the bill.
At best, you can give a report that has been made anonymous. By this I mean, make a monthly or yearly report of the issues faced by the patients. For example something like this: "this month I have received 12 people from the company (you don't give their names), and the main issues they talked about are conflicts with their manager, impossible to achieve objectives and overtime not being properly compensated".
@@BellaSharif14 Then he didn't betray her, because she wasn't his client. That's a twisted way to fill better when betraying someone. He opened up to her, from that moment disclosure of that information is a betrayal. If you don't want to betray your patients - do not work with corporate clients. It's still therapist's fault.
What kind of therapist signs a waiver saying they'll turn over their session notes to a corporation just because they're paying the bill? Would any of the employees of that company talk to you if they knew that? Would any clients anywhere ever trust you if they knew that?
The therapist didn't sign the waiver, the patient did.
@@marybell2897 they cannot compel the therapist if only the patient signed,
They needed a plot point and they needed a way to incorporate the therapist lady because this problem between her and harvey is central to harvey's character arc in this season.
@@marybell2897 jnnnn
No psychologist would ever waive privilege when it comes to a client.
Since I've got a bunch of some would's about psychologists not waiving privilege. I'll say, psychologists with integrity and an ethical backbone would not.
If you think every therapist is a good person like every politician is a good person then ur a fool.
@@butercumdribbleiii8033 I don't make judgements pertaining to real people like I would in a TV show. Why would you! Most politicians are garbage. Many CEOS are garbage. The thing is. I made a comment on a fictional character. You likened it to real life. In real life they have a legal mandate not to divulge conversations between them and a client. Same as a priest or attorney. Not sure of your thought process on this one. Also I never said anything about a politician.
@@mlblja I wasn’t pertaining to the tv show at all ☺️. If you trust ppl and give them personal information u are allowing them to have an edge over you. Just cause you let a nice guy have an edge against ur throat doesn’t mean he’ll kill you on purpose. Tiny little mistake ends ur life. If you think every therapist is good then that’s on you I’m not gunna protect an idiot. But I will tell him he’s an idiot
@@butercumdribbleiii8033 You made an assumption that I thought every therapist was good. I don't know every therapist so I wouldn't know. Of the ones I do know there's one I trusted. As for politicians The ones really trying to make our lives better should be in leadership. The ones not doing that should never hold office again.
Right, because psychologists aren't human.
Harvey was 100% on point, she is the villain here
The real villain is a company who requires a waiver for a company-sponsored therapist. Either you care about your employees and let them talk freely and without fear of consequences to the therapist or you just don't provide one. This "talk about everything that burdens you (but only if you agree that we can hear all of it)" BS is a level of evil that is outlawed in many, many countries for very good reasons.
@@QemeHagreed. Still, this dude was making tens of millions of dollars. He could afford his own therapist.
@@aw98000 Maybe he could have. But why would he if the company provided one? It's still evil to waive HIPPA for a therapist.
@@QemeH I guess to avoid anything like this? It's a the show and they needed drama, I guess
@@QemeHcant accept when a woman being the villain isnt it?
The confidence Harvey has is incredible 😢
I have passed this show multiple times on Netflix, this excerpt has me about to binge it.....
watch first 4 or 5 seasons they were worth the time
Worth it
Dand it, Suits is one of the best TV series I've ever seen. I'm now in S3 E11 and I've been addicted to continue seeing it. I just can't stop myself because it's too damn good. It's only 9 seasons and I have no idea why it's stopped at 9 on 2019. What a pity.
Meghan Markle got married to a prince.
"Dating a therapist"
- there's your problem Harvey
"Take me for a walk down bullshit lane" 🤣🤣🤣 nice one
Best show ever 😂
If she, as a corporate therapist, couldn’t understand the full consequences of signing such a waiver, then she had no reason being in that spot in the first place. Harvey went easy on her
“I’ll know!”
Ok, so you’re going to lose sleep because you were going to prevent a guy from going to prison? She’s obnoxiously self righteous.
Yep... and she's doing the very same thing she's accusing Harvey of doing! 🤣
She's the Narcissist. It's okay for her to do it but not him!
@@MikeKollin If she really wanted the moral high ground she'd stop working for companies that put their bottom line over the well being of her patients.
@@gurglequeen433 yes.
In this example she is being simply righteous
Idk if having moral principles that you don't easily sell out makes you "obnoxiously self-righteous"...just me tho
That show was exceptionally good.
Top tier actors and phenomenal writing.
The cast is solid but the writing ? Nah. Just guilty pleasure drama. The legal part of this is not realistic at all, and some of the characters are not consistent or believable.
@@jenniferbyers1375 says who? A random non top lawfirm lawyer?
He’s ruthless. He’ll still be this ruthless if his family is on the stand. Maybe except Donna lol.
Thats actually what happened, he had Louis do it
@@triplemoyagames4195 and Luis tear her apart! 😂
Dime a dozen therapist who reads into everything and believes this makes them an empath, when in fact it just makes them believe they have the moral high ground and are above reproach, regardless of their actions.
Sadly there are only few individuals who can booth truly understand and feel a clients case while maintaining a professional distance and academical stance.
Who genurnly care for their clients and are cut out for the profession.
Most go in the field thinking they have empathy and will change the world. Or just because its a well paid profession.
True. Majority of therapists just like that
Any other lawyer wouldn't had called Paula about her testimony, they would had destroyed her right there without crap.
I work for a law firm and I used to work for a Judge. Subpoenas from the attorneys are not the same as those from the Court. You can object to being subpoenaed and take it before the Judge. It's only mandatory if the Judge says it is.
A good choice if you feel like wasting time and money delaying the inevitable
@@UMninja Depends. If someone is trying to get out of it just to be difficult, then you're correct, it's a waste of time and money. If there's a legally legitimate reason against being subpoenaed, then it's not a waste. I've only ever witnessed 2 people, both experts, get a judge to exclude them from having to appear to an attorney's subpoena and they were both due to bad faith by the attorneys.
How anyone thinks she is in the right here or somehow won that conversation is beyond me.
People think insulting, gaslighting and guilt-tripping are "good arguments". 😂
Thing is she put herself in a lose lose situation. She goes with what Harvey wants, her employer would fire her for not cooperating and possibly get her blackballed. If she follows the company line she gets discredited, which likely also gets her fired and again blackballed.
Moral of the story: don't put yourself into working against Harvey. The only time you might be able to trust him is either you work for him, work with him, or he works for you.😅😅😅
No, she just showed she's not competent to be a therapist. No therapist would ever agree to provide therapy to someone without it being protected by patient therapist confidentiality. And that's ignoring the fact she's boning one of her patients.
Harvey is right, and her calling him all the things she did are just outward manifestations of why the as a person is angry at the end of it. She herself is the person who she describes when she insults him.
Who can ever forget the brilliant delivery of Meghan's one line in this scene.
everyone
Just love the act of Harvey , what an actor!
I don't feel sorry for her in the least. She should have made it clear in session that his guilty feelings were not a result of actually being guilty. If she worked for the company then she knew what she was doing the whole time.
I feel like there's a better way to go about this which would be that often people have feelings of guilt about things that doesn't imply actual guilt hence the reason for seeing a therapist. But of course that wouldn't have been nearly as interesting of a storyline...
No therapist in their right mind would have given the testimony that she did. She didn't even use the LANGUAGE of therapy in her testimony, which shows an obvious gap in the skills of the people who wrote the show.
Any competent therapist would have been talking about the feeling and emotions of their client, not their words, because the words themselves are not important. In response to the pivotal question about how the client described his feelings about the massive loss, any decent therapist would have responded along the lines of "It's not my job to tell my client -- or you -- how my client felt at that moment in terms of specific emotional states. Trying to do so is foolish, and you're asking the entirely wrong question. My client came to speak with me to work through the difficult situation that he found himself in and how he could cope with the stress it placed on him so that he could get back to being fully functional in both his personal and private life."
I don't know what to make of her testimony, but the writers have been giving us all the clues about Paula's character since Harvey's therapy session. She is unethical, selfish, hypocritical and not very intelligent.
These attributes are put behind a beautiful face with a bright smile and a calm voice.
Unfortunately, most do not see beyond her external appearance and appreciate her only for her physical qualities
Precisely . The writers decided , as the succesful
in entertainment so often do , that the fact they were presenting absolute bs didn't MATTER . It matters.
So by undermining her he protected her client that she felt bad she was being forced to work against, thereby saving the guy she wanted to save, which saved her without forcing her to lie and violate ethics but in doing so it undercut her ego. So really her ego and pride meant more than the right thing or the guy going to prison.
How easily she could have destroyed Harvey by saying under oath: Hey! Remember last night when you came into my office to push me to lie about your client in order to win?
She cant, she is bound by confidentiality, and clearly her top priority is her career
@@jakemax9350 That wasn't a session, he just stormed in her office to talk about his client and push her to lie.
There’s no proof of that though right
@@jonnguyen3732 It’s still a very damning accusation that can risk his license
NO, that convo wouldnt be admissible because its circumstancial.
I love how everyone is angry at the therapist for betraying her client's trust meanwhile there is a clause in the company contract requiring that information be accessible.
the point is that it is a clause any good therapist would not agree to.
"hey there therapist who is supposed to care about people and be someone they can trust, come work for us, we will have you spy, tattle on, and abuse the trust of everyone that comes to you for help"
if you actually wanted to help people, that job pitch would be abhorrent to you
A lot didn't make sense in this episode. Him feeling guilty has nothing to do with the trade being approved. It really doesn't seem like Harvey had some side thing going in his head about his mother when he went after her, that's literally what he does in every episode.
Thats the beauty of the writing. The things you just highlighted aren't inconsistencies, they're completely deliberate to showcase the fluctuating nature of the characters
I thought confidentialty is priority between patient and therapist as well as patient and doctor.
Not if you sign a waiver and the company pays for your therapist
America has a lot of Great rules to protect its citizens . Until money gets involved. Then you see the country's true face.
What i was thinking was: why would they reveal a new testimony until they're counterexaminating the guy? Shouldn't they disclose it before depositions take place?
she wasn't her girlfriend then, get your facts straight :(
U mean his*, get your english straight
@@raunaksharma3456 *straight*
At the point when he found out his girlfriend was the counselor, it became conflict of interest. He should have resigned. A bar would take him apart for that. Even though he acted in his clients best interest, that should not have been allowed.
She was NOT his girlfriend at the time, she was his therapist.
@@BellaSharif14 and every bone in my body is protesting the absolute nonsense scenario of WILLINGLY BEING YOUR EX-PARTNERS THERAPIST, that's a factor no one seems to be mentioning? She should never have seen him in an office setting, ever. She should have immediately but politely redirected him to another mental health professional. Rule One, doctors aren't friends. You can be a doctor, or you can be their friend, but you can't ethically be both. If they started dating after he was her patient that's possibly WORSE and changes nothing as far as I'm concerned. This doc ought to be outta work, and not for the waiver release nonsense.
The man puts his relationship at risk to save an innocent man, and gets called a 'self serving narcissist ' for doing that 😅
I know no one talks like this in real life, this is just TV drama, but you gotta love how high everyone is riding on their horses as they try to mow people down
Harvey gave an absolute savage reply to other lawyer by mimickinghis quote with a funny expression" Dr agard, you are under oath and if will not answer, I will have a judge comply you to answer".
She says at 7:55 that Harvey “walked out of our session,” meaning this relationship started as therapist/patient. If they are in a romantic relationship, she is committing serious ethics violations and will lose her license.
Even if she revealed the info Harvey used in the deposition, that’s a breach of ethics AND HIPAA.
Second thought: how does she still have a license if she’s telling a current/former client about OTHER former clients in downtime?
Hot take. Having a therapist to open up to and help with mental issues and them being, by law, required to keep the conversations a secret, but then being able to just openly talk about it makes the therapist a liability that you shouldn´t rely on.
Telling the therapist to lie on the stand was a bigger ethical violation than any the therapist contemplated.
That was his warning to her, because even though she would not protect her client, he will.
Harvey is compelled by law to do anything to protect his client.
The fact that she as a therapist would agree to share a clients personal life with an employer shows she is a sell out.
She cant get enough business while maintaining confidentiality I guess
The problem here is that she is payed by the company so legally she is bound to say if It bad for the company, which she did.
@@raulbetancourt5795 thats not true at all. She is paid by the company but not employed by them. She never had to sign that waiver that allowed the clients therapy sessions to be admissible on court. She did it because the company pressured her just like Harvey said
really? what about the ethical violation she committed when she got a patient released from rehab at the demands of another client who was paying the bill and then the person she stopped treating died from an overdose? Is that really less of an ethical problem than intentionally putting someone in harms way?
@@bmf1515 But the company paid her, with the waiver probably being in the contract. The person who was stupid was the patient, because he signed that waiver. He could well have searched for his own therapist, which is not provided by the company. If he signed the waiver, he should have read it beforehand.
1:30 Specter, Harvey Specter...That was cool! 😎
0:22 "We want privacy! we want privacy"
South park 😅
Can we just take a minute to appreciate how well they acted?
She is crazy. What does his mother have to do with their professional relationship?
The problems with his mother affected his emotional not professional relationships.
In her mind had she already started to fantasize with him?
Because people like to categorize people into boxes to suite there needs or attempt to manipulate others, despite moving forward from there past.
Wich shows you she is unfit for her profession.
Not mentioning the fact her phrasing gave the company this option in the first place. If she would have prooerly written out how he may FEEL guilty but apparantly has done nlthing or at least not admitted to have done anything worthy of guilt.
But thats how dramas are written, you want as much drama and tension as possible.
"Don't tell me you're here to take me up on that offer to step outside" is the best line in the tv show suits
Little did the therapist know there was nothing going on and Harvey is just an absolute G
Dr Agard was absolutely nuts here. Took Harvey's actions way out of proportion. It's like she can't admit that he actually did this for his client
Never seen the show before, but now I want to.
The title of this video is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Harvey and Paula started seeing each other long after this happened. Here, Harvey is simply her PATIENT, NOT GIRLFRIEND.
Paula will no longer reveal information to the clients from her private life in therapy sessions
She will surely find more professional ways to make his handsome clients talk.
Unless the client is a behemoth of a lawyer who can actually make you look the patient. 😂
"I opened up to you so that we could built trust, not so that you could humiliate me."
"And Sam opened up to you to build trust, not so that you could humiliate him, testify against him, destroy his career, and help send him to jail. So, what's more important to Sam -- you trusting me or him trusting me?"
She was 100% in the wrong. She didn't have to testify. Ask for a judge and then take the 5th.
I loved this show. We need a spinoff
There was one - "Pearson" and sadly only lasted one season.
@@alanfung8521 wow! Who acted?
"And how are you going to do that Mr...." "Specter. Harvey Specter" Got alittle excited by Harvey right there 😁😁😁
Why do these guys talk like Comic book characters?! I freaking love it!!!
some POW POW is missing
I think it’s pretty important to note that Harvey and the therapist was not dating at this point, but simply client/therapist. They only start their relationship after Harvey resolves his issues.
That's exactly what it is. When they begin their relationship, Harvey's problems are not solved.
She knows this and yet she does nothing to help him. She only pursues her own interest
Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body.
Proverbs 16:24 ESV
When you saw the waiver you could read through the first page to see the rest of the form and it's a continuation of the waiver form, not some random piece of fluff because 'nobody's going to see it anyway'. They took care to get the detail right. Saw the entire series, loved every bit of it.
Harvey is Stone Cold! No hesitation at all!
Ruin a man's life or slightly offend someone. Tough choice for some. Easy for others.
Specter chose to save a man.
Agard would have chosen to not be offended.
"....It isn't going to be me"
Harvey: OH NO anyway
Both did their jobs.
Is it just me because im on harvey's side
The very first discussion with any professional is who is paying, what are my risks, what can happen?
Record every word! ALWAYS!
Torch your relationship to win a case!! True professional!! lol
Harvey straight up went "Client before hoes" with no hint of remorse.
i hope that he asked her "and at what point did you realize that they were different people?"
Rachel is a beauty
7:37 is where she brings all of her therapist knowledge and experience into gaslighting him. Despicable but absolutely realistic. I live in SoCal, and I know so many women who know all the self-help pop-psych language, but they use it solely as weapons never to examine their own character. They're 100x worse when they have training and experience.
Harvey is a king
The therapist is beautiful
Harvey did what was necessary for the good of the client, even though it was gut wrenching to do.
I love her voice
Hey, you leave Doctor Girlfriend alone! It's bad enough The Monarch is so wrapped up in Arching for Dr. Venture and those brats, that he doesn't have time to appreciate all the hard work she does running the Cocoon, she certainly doesn't need your jibber-jabber!
I never watched 'Suits' before, what have I been missing?
4:35 is like..... YOOOOOOOOO
Why didnt she tell: he said he felt guitly, not that he was.. and there is a huge difference.
Harvey gives them an out, then destroys them when they don't take it.
LOL what a petty revenge at the end.
"im so idespensable and only i can save you"
dude is like Benedict Cumberbatch's 4th cousin or something.