As a Welshman, I can't claim neutrality, but by half time, it didn't matter who France were playing; it was just a joy to watch great players expressing themselves. Dare I say it, but Ireland and South Africa are as effective - perhaps more so - but watching them can often feel like watching someone being run over by a steamroller - it's awesomely effective but no fun. This French performance was a real celebration of rugby, combining skill and power, discipline and creativity.
You know, I remember myself, as a french, 4 years ago, in France, we were loosing 44-8 to England. What a long way we have come! Today, like our coach, I wasn't far away from tears. What emotion for a French supporter!
As an Irish Fan , every Nation goes through this , we have been there 🤨I remember being in Twickenham in the 80"s when we would lose often ( but still had a great time with the English Fans !!! ) really enjoy your 🏉content 👍👏👏
La France peut sortir un tel match. Maintenant pour la coupe du monde il faudra le répéter jusqu'en finale. Et ça c'est plus dur. Les irlandais sont sur notre route. Dur dur les irish coffee.😉
Firstly, we’ll played France! Magnifique! A lot of harsh comments about individual players…I’m not sure we can blame anyone. The fly half argument seems to me to be a red herring. Ford, Farrell, Smith…they all have something to offer, but they can’t do much when the pack gets monstered in the loose. Brutal shock to see our back row completely annihilated. Sadly Dombrandt may not be a test player; I’m a Quins supporter, but even I can see that he is not able to physically make his mark at this level - perhaps he needs a totally dominant pack to then run his wide, angled lines. Probably sounds like perfect hindsight but I did imagine this type of scoreline this morning! Didn’t want to believe it of course. However, I’ve had deep concerns about the gap between premiership and international standard required these days. Honestly, Mako, Colely and George really do look past it…great past servants, but honestly! Slade has always lacked pace as has Farrell and frankly the amount of times we have kicked the ball in the red zone! Crazy! Where is the confidence, pace and ability to see space and use it? As JW said in commentary, hopefully this is a chance for a big review of the premiership and the pathway to international quality performance. If Ireland and France can do it, then we can. C’mon England! Well done Les Bleus, stunning victory!
Total respect to you for your honest and frank reaction. France were utterly magnificent...but a great performance was due after not quite motoring so far.
As much as I’m happy for France to win this game 🎉🥂 I’m feeling very sad for England rugby team as the level was poor and not really promising for now except very few players. We’ve been going through the same phase not so long ago when our rugby was rather pathetic and it took France 4 years to be back at its best. Be patient with the team as it’s not easy to be back to a very high level especially with the intensity and requirements of the game now. I’m anyway going to celebrate tonight as it’s the first time since 18 years that we won at Twickenham ! 🎉 Hopefully we will not need to wait another 18 years for another victorious game, hopefully this time with a much better England team 👍🏻
French Rugby went the same way down to a low level before climbing back to a good play level I haven't forgotten a freindly game in Paris against South Africa lost 52-10 and the world cup against All Blacks crushed 62-10 (for all Blacks)...So new players must replace those whom are now too old and slow for this type of game play
Thanks for the coverage Tim. This is my go to RUclips channel now for rugby commentary. Have been listening to the Eggchasers since 2014. I had an email read out on one lf the shows when I frustratingly praised JB's accurate predictions on the 2015 WC team. #absolutebanterflyingaround - remember that from Hask ? Keep doing what you are doing. It's really appreciated.
(French dude here) I watched the U20 on Friday and thought "I hope once again the result will be the same*, but for sure it won't be by such margin". Mind you. *: this year, France's U20 have had very similar results to those of the "big" team so it's kind of a joke that they're a "prediction" of the big game.
@@sirmurf They did. I believe it's a new record in the category. Ireland seems in good position to win a double slam (I don't know how their women stand). That being said Scotland's U20 were not as impressive as their senior counterparts lately - I'd bet on an Irish victory but still be surprised if there's a 40+ margin.
Well done you for staying on , must have been a hard one to take. Dupont was amazing! I honestly thought the French had so many on the park I thought they must have come over in small boats. Just shows how well Scotland played in Paris and obviously Ireland. Considering the weather France under the high ball just seemed to have so much time and were not under pressure even when England pressed. Mauling!! with a visit to Dublin for England to come . If France play like that against Wales that could be another roasting.
@@powerbite92 english people sometimes don't realise how parochial they can come across. I'm Dutch and the vibe I sometimes get from touring English sides is that they're doing development work in a place where they've never seen a rugby ball before, not touring a country that has been playing rugby for a century and has a slightly less glorious history in the sport. So good game.
For a French team to win there, it does not happen very often, what a trumendous performance !..historical win !! very happy and glad the boys made it with the manner, nothing else to add..period !
In the older days, you'd never know what French team was going to turn up. Always unpredictable. England, thought they had a chance to beat France after their not so impressive performance against the other teams. Yet again France is showing that same unpredictability. Never take them for granted 💚💛🇿🇦
@@EggchasersRugby That was actually 36 points. Ye it's a record loss for England at home is what I meant. 2019 don't matter anymore lads anyway. Borthwick ain't got a time machine.
The change in pace was so obvious, but to be honest I saw a lot I didn't like in Mitchell's performance. I would like another look at Quirke. Curry looked a class above everyone else in the England pack
Vive la France and thank you to this commentator for his honest and genuine love for rugby ... Thank you for being nice ti us French as-well as when prise is effective and call for, you seem to say it for what it is. Love you channel xox
The whole of France and Eddy Jones are celebrating tonight. I think England did very well, they was most accommodating. Its not the winning but the taking part that matters. Isn't that right Steve.
I don't think there is any evidence Eddie Jones would have avoided the same. The England team he left was the worst in the Autumn Nations in almost every metric. I doubt he would have beaten Italy or Wales. Don't get me wrong Eddie was, and still is, an amazing coach. He will go down as one of the best and most innovative. But, the England team under him since 2019 only got worse. It happens to even the best coaches. But he wouldn't have somehow been able to turn around a team that his tactics and style were making worse.
Not that long ago The "XV de France" could hardly win any game. We had players we thought were good (they weren't That bad individually although probably not as great as the current extended squad, and most really tried their best). But it just never seemed to work. Those were harsh years for supporters like me and the tunnel seemed endless at times. England seems to be in a pretty similar spot right now. It sometimes doesn't take much to turn the table and I hope you'll find some keys to change that (not all, preferably :D. I'm still a supporter of Les Bleus) because a tournament or even a world cup with this sad version of England doesn't feel exactly the same. A positive note is that it was a "no card" game - and although one could consider that the Englishmen should have put a bit more effort even if risking a yellow or two, that's always a good thing according to me. No big injury, no real foul play, fifteen on fifteen. But I'm sure it's of little comfort to the English fans. As for me - after the aforementioned harsh years, and after years of being on alternative current (able to beat the Blacks then fall again Italy or Romania), I can't deny the pleasure to see a French squad playing this consistently good for so long. They're not invincible (Ireland showed it the previous game) but they're good most of the time, very good regularly and awesome on occasion. Good luck against Ireland (that would be a very good time for your boys to start their resurrection :D) and see you in the World Cup.
This is still too raw but my biggest take from this game is the sheer gulf in class between the world No.1 and 2 and the other nations. The accuracy, decisiveness and clinical nature of Ireland and France is what makes them the best. England were abject and embarrassingly woeful in the basics (discipline, handling and rucking etc.). Next week's challenge is rather simple - survive as long as possible in Dublin.
if what you're saying is true, then Ireland will thrash the living daylights out of Scotland tomorrow. destroy them. whilst that is entirely possible.. I dont see France or Ireland thrashing Australia or Argentina any time soon. very English-centric point of view.
I'm with you on the rawness of the result but I don't agree that France and Ireland are way clear of SA and NZ as I think you will find when they meet in the world cup but there is a big gap to the rest that's for sure.
@@neilcarpenter2669 Oh for sure, I should have specified that I was referring to mainly the home nations, yet Ireland are coming off the back of a first ever series win in NZ and France have olny lost once in the last 19 months...There will certainly be some colossal matches come the WC
Ouais, des fois, la frustration et la deception , nous empêche d'apprécier à sa juste valeur ,une performance exceptionnelle ! ça semble le cas pour vous ce soir ! ....tout reviendra dans quelques temps après la gueule de bois ! pour ma part je veux redescendre de mon nuage ,pour espérer voir cette belle équipe de FRANCE, soulever le Graal, en France cet automne ! mais pour l'instant je ne dirai qu'une chose "Good game boys "
To be fair, England had a lot of possessions but make too many basic errors. France plaid fine tho I don’t like much these sequences of systematic long kicks forward going nowhere but offering the ball to the opponent, thanks God they didn’t know what to do with them. Great france defense as expected. France knows how to carry the ball between the posts even from their baseline, it didn’t quite happen today. Ramos had a great match.
Ah man your face at the start just says it all, don't even need to watch the video 😂. Your channel's content is so good and fair it almost makes me root for England, if that's any consolation ;)
Congrats from Ireland to France fans, what a win. See you guys in the latter stages of the world cup hopefully. Commiserations to England fans. I'm sure it's no consolation to you at the moment, but I personally think the reality is Engand aren't as bad as the enevitable hyperbolic media/fan reaction to this result will suggest. For me they just caught a better team on one of those days where they just played out of their skin and every bounce went their way. There's still a lot of quality players in England. I'm not sure if Borthwick's dogmatic sticking to his plan A of essentially just using Steward to win a kicking battle and seeing what happens is the best use of them though.. Arundell for instance looks a huge talent, but I fear he doesn't fit into that particular plan and will be a peripheral figure during the Borthwick reign because it doesn't appear he has a plan b. The right coach will get more out of the players available, I just don't think Borthwick is the guy unfortunately.
England were poor but France were incredible absolutely incredible. This is why they are clear favourites for the World Cup at home this year. And closely followed by Ireland then South Africa I honestly had England in the mix but after this game I’m not sure.
You can’t play on the back foot which admittedly was down to France but we just couldn’t break the game line or clear out at the breakdown which is where it fell apart as our forwards were pedestrian weak tired and got knocked back every time then just giving penalties away.We we’re never in this because France are better and wanted it more.I think we’ve hit the lowest point which I think means England rugby really needs revamping at all levels.Well played France
Am French…yes, there was a huge gap between these 2 teams yesterday; however we also had our bad times…England rugby will go through times of turbulence for sure, but they ll bounce back…France changed their style with Galthie, England also needs to change their style as their game s kinda if stereotyped…but great teams never die….
Well.... at least we'll be spared the 'just 5 per cent off' cobblers now. Wilko was right - it needed to happen. There's no point fans and pundits quibbling about swapping out a couple of players - it is a systemic problem. A pressing question for me is why, with all England's resources, do we produce so little in the way of world class players? This team is arguably the best we have available. It was men against boys. France were magnificent. Ireland next week looks like a bit of a hump in the road too!!
I agree. I dont think England played badly they were just up against a team at another level. Most complete game of rugby by any team that i have ever seen. France were better than Ireland. Ireland could not handle that and Ireland are bloody good. it would be unfair to down grade the French performance because my team were bad.
Maybe the greatest game and play of france that i ve seen in 40 years...! PERFECT IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME and at twickenham the home of rugby..and OUI i m french and so proud, and thank you eggchasers for your sportmanship, BEAUTIFUL ! chapeau ! 🎩
The thing is .France probably didn't play at full pelt.. just a training run out.. We are so bloody bereft of ideas and skill.. hopeless times.. world cup will be a short one.. probabl won't bother with the torture of it..
It was a gamble, why should we be surprised trying to bet against the odds. The French are a great team and have been for a couple of years this is the first outing for this group in this set up. Let’s take a scientific view on this experiments never fail they just give you information take it and move on . No knee jerk reaction of this is the last time we try so and so etc Take the lose, learn from it, move on
Vous pouvez être triste aujourd’hui mais vous vous relèverez je vous fait confiance pour ça les anglais ont toujours eu un tempérament de guerriers « La roue tourne » comme on dit en France 😊
Very interesting, honest, intelligent! Go to pub, i will pay the bill just to hear you speaking about rugby like that. The wheel spins... always. Maybe very soon! Do not forget to focus on Romain N'Tamack! He deserves...
Tough one to have to react to. Massive hammering by France. Hopefully England pull it back together for next weekend and give us a good match in Dublin.
There's no way that's happening. It's broken and will stay broken whilst anyone pretends it will somehow turn around. Ireland will trash England and hopefully it will start a process of examining all the factors of failure.
@@ecaeas4439 from an Irish Guy look if we trash England that's cool but at the same time if you offered me a 1 point win with 0 injuries i would take it right now because realistically there's nothing to gain by hammering a team from the Irish Perspective we want to secure our First Grandslam on Home Turf in 74 years
As a complete outsider (Irish fan), two things were noticeable about England. Firstly the tactics are limited at best, they belong to the south African team of 2007. Secondly, English back row, nine and centres are below international standard. I don't know the English league that well so are there better options in these positions? Also if England think there issue is at 10 then they have no chance of making the necessary improvements
I know a lot of chat will be around Smith but for me I thought this was the game that Slade can finally come out of his shell and highlight his talent and yet again for myself he wasn't there, I don't know why but for Exeter Slade looks fantastic but as of late looks completely invisible for England
I know it must be a difficult to an english fan tonight... But as a French fan try to understand this moment.... and you will quickly admit "yes it was coming" Forget the stats, 15 years of invincibility in Twickenham vs France.... Dupont and cie could have win it easily in 2021 or nations league with more Luck. France is slowly but surely testing their whole strategy and gameplan for the World Cup. It exploded tonight. England will be back through basics... When france wants to peak in september. What a great sport show it was in Twickenham.
Agreed. England forwards need to focus on how they attack the gainline (maybe be less directly confrontational, focus more on support, offloads, space and ball presentation (France and Ireland are so good at that) and resourcing rucks. The good thing is that the scrums and lineouts were not as dominant. So we can see that there were some areas where we weren't smashed. What little attack we had was pretty good when we got fast ball. The getting of it is the issue
Le réservoir de joueurs anglais est grand et beaucoup d'Anglais ont le rugby dans le sang comme de nombreux Français, je ne m'inquiète pas pour le rugby anglais qui doit restructurer ses clubs professionnels.
All France did was punish errors. We were next to Damian Lewis and he left with tens minutes to go. Borthwicks honeymoon period is over before it started. I turned up today thinking there was a chance England would win. Luckily I was wearing a beret.
Irish supporter here. Felt genuinely bad for England today watching that. From an English perspective, I thought the most disappointing thing was how much they were outworked. Fellas were getting to rucks an age before the French. And that's one of those things that doesn't require skill. France were of course very good but were made to look better because of that
I would have liked to see Smith (albeit heavily hampered by the conditions) given more time and responsibility to try and spark a Harlequin-esque second-half comeback instead of resorting to Farrell to helm what was ultimately a sinking ship. Mitchell showed instantly that his injection of pace and vision at the ruck could have provided the foundations for such a comeback, but by pushing Marcus one man out (again), simply rendered us hopeless of taking advantage of this opportunity. Ultimately, I don't see the benefit of this particulate substitution as I struggle to understand what exactly they will learn or gain from this? For me, it is an indication of a lack of confidence and trust in the players and their ability.
Ever consider that they respond and still get hammered? That’s it’s out of their power because no matter how up for it they are, they’re not good enough?
Lots of chat about smith and Farrell but I think it’s clear now that’s a bit of a sideshow. Our pack was humbled. Saw some stuff on England socials of the guys getting beasted by a brutal leg day in camp. Maybe they were beasted too much? Didn’t look sharp. I’d rather think they weren’t 100% fit than the only other logical alternative which is our pack is simply poor quality
Genge Sinkler and Itoje will never be dropped. Never. if they play world class or play like drains, they will always keep their place. England STILL cannot settle on a balanced backrow. how long has that been now?
hahaha yea when i heard what MOTD is doing I'm like are we supposed to be upset by that? because some of those pundits are fucking shocking unironically Tim i could see this backfiring it going so well people will demand it remain like that
@@adamgibbons210 I love his weird ability to focus on something not that relevant and crowbar it into all his talking points. Few weeks ago, it was that there should be no subs.
Le résumé des actions à gauche fait peur mdrr. Pour le coup bien que Ramos a marqué une bonne partie de nos points, j'aurais mis Flament pour le match absolument stratosphérique qu'il a fait. Couronné par 2 essais.
I don't think I've seen a guy so depressed after a game. Well, it's rugby, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. What I notice is that this match was exemplary not a single yellow or red card. Dignified and rule-abiding opponents. (I hope the commentator took a whiskey to console himself).
yea real brutal beat down in Twickenham I'm gonna be very blunt and honest here and ask was there any English fans who actually believed they stood a chance going into this match ? like from an Irish guy we can tell you first hand how fucking Tough France are as a team we really had our work cut out for us and had to fight to get those 4 trys defensively they are incredible anyway on to the next game
England are in a tricky place. They are not that bad at any aspect of the game, but they are not that good at any of them either. They get out powered by the power teams and out finessed by the finesse teams whilst not having the power to throttle the likes of Scotland the finesse to dance with the likes of France. The real worry must be that Ireland have both, next week may be ugly ...
i mean from an Irish guy like yea this was on their home Turf and now they have to travel to the Aviva stadium where most likely they will be going into a game against an Irish team looking for their first grand slam on Home turf in 74 years
@@DoddyIshamel yea that is true i mean if your a betting man even with home field Scotland are massive underdogs i know on any Sunday anything can happen but i think realistically Ireland will get the Win because we don't even have to win by 43 points all we need to do is win by a single point and if the French defense leaked 4 tries to us that's not a good Omen for Scotland anyway see how tomorrow goes
France a team approaching it's pinnacle of performance. England team starting their journey, or even worse, still on their way down. Outclassed and outmuscled. Willis, Dombrandt, JVP so so poor. They looked twice as fast as us.
France was just levels above! No matter who was selected! My only take is, as I’ve said before, seeing the best coach ( who’s English!!) stand with France, (and when Wales were super) ! Shaun Edwards!! Why the hell hasn’t the best coach in the world, who’s English, coached for his home country! Madness!!
@@powerbite92 First,he's not the head coach,just defense coach. Second,maybe you guys didn't respect him that much when he was working for you. Third ,he probably liked to train good players. Cause the real problem with the english is that you always blame the coach,but the reality is that france have world class players and you just don't. First step to solve a problem is to recognize there is one.
We dont. We have 61% of players in the premiership on the field who are not eligible to play for England. Our club game is way off international form as was proved today. We have teams going under with more to follow.
France were ruthlessly excellent in the dark parts of the game. Dominated England physically and technically at the breakdown. But England were as bad as it gets at points - no more than 3-5 phases in them then. Structure breaks and they kick, not particularly well. The bad overkick from Smith for the easy mark being symptomatic.
that was total demolishion. shocked myself . french were in a league of their own. steve borthwick has his work cut out . i,m from wales mate and french and irish are streets ahead off the rest of the six nations teams .
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As a Welshman, I can't claim neutrality, but by half time, it didn't matter who France were playing; it was just a joy to watch great players expressing themselves. Dare I say it, but Ireland and South Africa are as effective - perhaps more so - but watching them can often feel like watching someone being run over by a steamroller - it's awesomely effective but no fun. This French performance was a real celebration of rugby, combining skill and power, discipline and creativity.
Ireland would not stand à single chance in RWC...against France
Cheers mate, a french disciple
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@@fomora12 pass a quarter-final , which you had never done in 9 world cups
@@DrugsBunny973 : Well that remains to be seen.
Excellent to see lots of generous praise and appreciation of France's performance on this channel. Proper rugby followers.
England is a good team... sometimes... an accident.
England vs France 2019 => 44 : 08.
and sorry for my bad english ^^
You know, I remember myself, as a french, 4 years ago, in France, we were loosing 44-8 to England.
What a long way we have come! Today, like our coach, I wasn't far away from tears. What emotion for a French supporter!
When was the last time a frog won the tour de France?
Oui l'ère PSA etc. semble loin... bravo!
@@JohnSmith-vy4lh less time ago than England's football team last title
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@@JohnSmith-vy4lh play nice
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Fair play to England showing solidarity with Gary lineker by not turning up, France are awesome
As an Irish Fan , every Nation goes through this , we have been there 🤨I remember being in Twickenham in the 80"s when we would lose often ( but still had a great time with the English Fans !!! ) really enjoy your 🏉content 👍👏👏
Correlating England today to 1980s Irish rugby might be the sickest burn!
@@theidiot1297 😒Genuinely did not mean it to come out like that !! 🤣🤣
The 90s were shxt too ..
@@64jkn those Ireland teams were good. 1994 Elwood and Geogehan winning it at Twickenham.
La France peut sortir un tel match. Maintenant pour la coupe du monde il faudra le répéter jusqu'en finale. Et ça c'est plus dur. Les irlandais sont sur notre route. Dur dur les irish coffee.😉
Firstly, we’ll played France! Magnifique! A lot of harsh comments about individual players…I’m not sure we can blame anyone. The fly half argument seems to me to be a red herring. Ford, Farrell, Smith…they all have something to offer, but they can’t do much when the pack gets monstered in the loose. Brutal shock to see our back row completely annihilated. Sadly Dombrandt may not be a test player; I’m a Quins supporter, but even I can see that he is not able to physically make his mark at this level - perhaps he needs a totally dominant pack to then run his wide, angled lines. Probably sounds like perfect hindsight but I did imagine this type of scoreline this morning! Didn’t want to believe it of course. However, I’ve had deep concerns about the gap between premiership and international standard required these days. Honestly, Mako, Colely and George really do look past it…great past servants, but honestly! Slade has always lacked pace as has Farrell and frankly the amount of times we have kicked the ball in the red zone! Crazy! Where is the confidence, pace and ability to see space and use it? As JW said in commentary, hopefully this is a chance for a big review of the premiership and the pathway to international quality performance. If Ireland and France can do it, then we can. C’mon England! Well done Les Bleus, stunning victory!
Total respect to you for your honest and frank reaction. France were utterly magnificent...but a great performance was due after not quite motoring so far.
When France play like that they're the best in the world. England absolutely humiliated
At least we got to see Dupont with a great platform. It was amazing, one of the best players to play rugby
As much as I’m happy for France to win this game 🎉🥂 I’m feeling very sad for England rugby team as the level was poor and not really promising for now except very few players.
We’ve been going through the same phase not so long ago when our rugby was rather pathetic and it took France 4 years to be back at its best.
Be patient with the team as it’s not easy to be back to a very high level especially with the intensity and requirements of the game now.
I’m anyway going to celebrate tonight as it’s the first time since 18 years that we won at Twickenham ! 🎉 Hopefully we will not need to wait another 18 years for another victorious game, hopefully this time with a much better England team 👍🏻
Thanks David,it’s a sad day indeed but hopefully we can only get better
Well played France!
French Rugby went the same way down to a low level before climbing back to a good play level I haven't forgotten a freindly game in Paris against South Africa lost 52-10 and the world cup against All Blacks crushed 62-10 (for all Blacks)...So new players must replace those whom are now too old and slow for this type of game play
Thanks for the coverage Tim. This is my go to RUclips channel now for rugby commentary. Have been listening to the Eggchasers since 2014. I had an email read out on one lf the shows when I frustratingly praised JB's accurate predictions on the 2015 WC team.
#absolutebanterflyingaround - remember that from Hask ?
Keep doing what you are doing. It's really appreciated.
ALLEZ LES BLEUS ! Magnifique équipe de FRANCE et très bonne réaction de cet anglais :) FANS WHO LEAVE A STADIUM ARE UNWORTHY OF THE RUGBY SPIRIT!
concernant ta dernière phrase je souscris... on ne lâche pas les siens
Few teams if any, in the world would hold France the way they played today. Looking forward to the World Cup, from a Saffer
An absolute shellacking! And the U20s also got pumped 42-7 by FRA U20 last night!
That sums it up perfectly
Jesus, didn't know that
(French dude here)
I watched the U20 on Friday and thought "I hope once again the result will be the same*, but for sure it won't be by such margin".
Mind you.
*: this year, France's U20 have had very similar results to those of the "big" team so it's kind of a joke that they're a "prediction" of the big game.
Irish U20s beat the Scots lads 82-7…
@@sirmurf They did. I believe it's a new record in the category. Ireland seems in good position to win a double slam (I don't know how their women stand). That being said Scotland's U20 were not as impressive as their senior counterparts lately - I'd bet on an Irish victory but still be surprised if there's a 40+ margin.
Well done you for staying on , must have been a hard one to take. Dupont was amazing! I honestly thought the French had so many on the park I thought they must have come over in small boats.
Just shows how well Scotland played in Paris and obviously Ireland.
Considering the weather France under the high ball just seemed to have so much time and were not under pressure even when England pressed.
Mauling!! with a visit to Dublin for England to come .
If France play like that against Wales that could be another roasting.
Yep. It puts some of the other results by other nations into perspective.
As a French, I would say ", Sorry, good game, thank you"
you boys are still so bitter. Good game is just a nice thing to say. not England's fault that all those French teams used to lose their cool.
Up yours pal!!!
Well done you deserve it. I thought the French team where very respectful after the game.
@@ianbetts4435 some fans just can't stop hating. France's players were really sober with this win but we can't stop fans like that...
@@powerbite92 english people sometimes don't realise how parochial they can come across. I'm Dutch and the vibe I sometimes get from touring English sides is that they're doing development work in a place where they've never seen a rugby ball before, not touring a country that has been playing rugby for a century and has a slightly less glorious history in the sport. So good game.
For a French team to win there, it does not happen very often, what a trumendous performance !..historical win !! very happy and glad the boys made it with the manner, nothing else to add..period !
In the older days, you'd never know what French team was going to turn up. Always unpredictable. England, thought they had a chance to beat France after their not so impressive performance against the other teams. Yet again France is showing that same unpredictability. Never take them for granted 💚💛🇿🇦
Galthié Saïd : we feel for England rugby, with tears in his eyes. This guy… we will follow him to the doom of times
Who is Galthié Saïd ?
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@@alexp2327😂😅
The same words I used after the final whistle. ie none! France were immense.
What a hammering. Record defeat in Twickenham.
4 years ago we stuffed France by 40 points
@@EggchasersRugby yea and 4 years ago you lost a World Cup Final
@@EggchasersRugby That was actually 36 points. Ye it's a record loss for England at home is what I meant. 2019 don't matter anymore lads anyway. Borthwick ain't got a time machine.
I see you watched the game.
@@dulls8475 Salty aren't we?
The only positive I saw from England was when Mitchell came on the attack looked decent for about 10 minutes before England fell apart
Correct
And Curry
yeh, right on!
Yes
The change in pace was so obvious, but to be honest I saw a lot I didn't like in Mitchell's performance. I would like another look at Quirke.
Curry looked a class above everyone else in the England pack
Vive la France and thank you to this commentator for his honest and genuine love for rugby ... Thank you for being nice ti us French as-well as when prise is effective and call for, you seem to say it for what it is. Love you channel xox
My word. England were absolutely abysmal. Farrell v Smith isn't a debate when the structures around them are so bad.
The whole of France and Eddy Jones are celebrating tonight.
I think England did very well, they was most accommodating. Its not the winning but the taking part that matters. Isn't that right Steve.
History was made today.
Just make it stop! That is what i thinking.
I don't think there is any evidence Eddie Jones would have avoided the same. The England team he left was the worst in the Autumn Nations in almost every metric. I doubt he would have beaten Italy or Wales. Don't get me wrong Eddie was, and still is, an amazing coach. He will go down as one of the best and most innovative. But, the England team under him since 2019 only got worse. It happens to even the best coaches. But he wouldn't have somehow been able to turn around a team that his tactics and style were making worse.
Pretty sure this is the hole Eddie dug
Not that long ago The "XV de France" could hardly win any game.
We had players we thought were good (they weren't That bad individually although probably not as great as the current extended squad, and most really tried their best). But it just never seemed to work.
Those were harsh years for supporters like me and the tunnel seemed endless at times.
England seems to be in a pretty similar spot right now. It sometimes doesn't take much to turn the table and I hope you'll find some keys to change that (not all, preferably :D. I'm still a supporter of Les Bleus) because a tournament or even a world cup with this sad version of England doesn't feel exactly the same.
A positive note is that it was a "no card" game - and although one could consider that the Englishmen should have put a bit more effort even if risking a yellow or two, that's always a good thing according to me. No big injury, no real foul play, fifteen on fifteen. But I'm sure it's of little comfort to the English fans.
As for me - after the aforementioned harsh years, and after years of being on alternative current (able to beat the Blacks then fall again Italy or Romania), I can't deny the pleasure to see a French squad playing this consistently good for so long. They're not invincible (Ireland showed it the previous game) but they're good most of the time, very good regularly and awesome on occasion.
Good luck against Ireland (that would be a very good time for your boys to start their resurrection :D) and see you in the World Cup.
This is still too raw but my biggest take from this game is the sheer gulf in class between the world No.1 and 2 and the other nations. The accuracy, decisiveness and clinical nature of Ireland and France is what makes them the best. England were abject and embarrassingly woeful in the basics (discipline, handling and rucking etc.). Next week's challenge is rather simple - survive as long as possible in Dublin.
if what you're saying is true, then Ireland will thrash the living daylights out of Scotland tomorrow. destroy them. whilst that is entirely possible.. I dont see France or Ireland thrashing Australia or Argentina any time soon. very English-centric point of view.
Thought the same. Fascinated to see France/Ireland come up against NZ and SA. They're the only teams vaguely in a similar class at this point.
I'm with you on the rawness of the result but I don't agree that France and Ireland are way clear of SA and NZ as I think you will find when they meet in the world cup but there is a big gap to the rest that's for sure.
@@neilcarpenter2669 Oh for sure, I should have specified that I was referring to mainly the home nations, yet Ireland are coming off the back of a first ever series win in NZ and France have olny lost once in the last 19 months...There will certainly be some colossal matches come the WC
Ouais, des fois, la frustration et la deception , nous empêche d'apprécier à sa juste valeur ,une performance exceptionnelle ! ça semble le cas pour vous ce soir ! ....tout reviendra dans quelques temps après la gueule de bois ! pour ma part je veux redescendre de mon nuage ,pour espérer voir cette belle équipe de FRANCE, soulever le Graal, en France cet automne ! mais pour l'instant je ne dirai qu'une chose "Good game boys "
To be fair, England had a lot of possessions but make too many basic errors. France plaid fine tho I don’t like much these sequences of systematic long kicks forward going nowhere but offering the ball to the opponent, thanks God they didn’t know what to do with them.
Great france defense as expected.
France knows how to carry the ball between the posts even from their baseline, it didn’t quite happen today.
Ramos had a great match.
Ah man your face at the start just says it all, don't even need to watch the video 😂. Your channel's content is so good and fair it almost makes me root for England, if that's any consolation ;)
Thanks 😅
Congrats from Ireland to France fans, what a win. See you guys in the latter stages of the world cup hopefully. Commiserations to England fans. I'm sure it's no consolation to you at the moment, but I personally think the reality is Engand aren't as bad as the enevitable hyperbolic media/fan reaction to this result will suggest. For me they just caught a better team on one of those days where they just played out of their skin and every bounce went their way. There's still a lot of quality players in England. I'm not sure if Borthwick's dogmatic sticking to his plan A of essentially just using Steward to win a kicking battle and seeing what happens is the best use of them though.. Arundell for instance looks a huge talent, but I fear he doesn't fit into that particular plan and will be a peripheral figure during the Borthwick reign because it doesn't appear he has a plan b. The right coach will get more out of the players available, I just don't think Borthwick is the guy unfortunately.
Well considered message. Thanks
You need to adapt your styles of play against different teams. France do not kick to them.
time will tell.
England were poor but France were incredible absolutely incredible. This is why they are clear favourites for the World Cup at home this year. And closely followed by Ireland then South Africa I honestly had England in the mix but after this game I’m not sure.
I'm french and I believe that ireland is favoritz in thos world cup because there are very solid but with this french team evrythi'g can happen
Not surprising when our schools are teaching children there are no losers. Everyone’s a winner 😅
Sad for our English friends but they will know how to bounce back, rugby will always need a nice team from England,
Thanks but we have problems in our club game to sort out so it might take some time.
Is Flament their number 4 he was outstanding, couldn’t believe he wasn’t man of the match.
You can’t play on the back foot which admittedly was down to France but we just couldn’t break the game line or clear out at the breakdown which is where it fell apart as our forwards were pedestrian weak tired and got knocked back every time then just giving penalties away.We we’re never in this because France are better and wanted it more.I think we’ve hit the lowest point which I think means England rugby really needs revamping at all levels.Well played France
Am French…yes, there was a huge gap between these 2 teams yesterday; however we also had our bad times…England rugby will go through times of turbulence for sure, but they ll bounce back…France changed their style with Galthie, England also needs to change their style as their game s kinda if stereotyped…but great teams never die….
Well.... at least we'll be spared the 'just 5 per cent off' cobblers now. Wilko was right - it needed to happen. There's no point fans and pundits quibbling about swapping out a couple of players - it is a systemic problem. A pressing question for me is why, with all England's resources, do we produce so little in the way of world class players? This team is arguably the best we have available. It was men against boys. France were magnificent. Ireland next week looks like a bit of a hump in the road too!!
I just want to cry, Tim.
Hold me, mate.
🤣
We will be back but not for a few years....
France were brilliant
I agree. I dont think England played badly they were just up against a team at another level. Most complete game of rugby by any team that i have ever seen. France were better than Ireland. Ireland could not handle that and Ireland are bloody good. it would be unfair to down grade the French performance because my team were bad.
Maybe the greatest game and play of france that i ve seen in 40 years...! PERFECT IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME and at twickenham the home of rugby..and OUI
i m french and so proud, and thank you eggchasers for your sportmanship, BEAUTIFUL ! chapeau ! 🎩
So, that means you never saw the semifinal AB-France world cup 1999.
The thing is .France probably didn't play at full pelt.. just a training run out.. We are so bloody bereft of ideas and skill.. hopeless times.. world cup will be a short one.. probabl won't bother with the torture of it..
It was a gamble, why should we be surprised trying to bet against the odds. The French are a great team and have been for a couple of years this is the first outing for this group in this set up.
Let’s take a scientific view on this experiments never fail they just give you information take it and move on . No knee jerk reaction of this is the last time we try so and so etc
Take the lose, learn from it, move on
I can't believe what I witnessed today. I was over the moon!
France were incredible.
Vous pouvez être triste aujourd’hui mais vous vous relèverez je vous fait confiance pour ça les anglais ont toujours eu un tempérament de guerriers
« La roue tourne » comme on dit en France 😊
Very interesting, honest, intelligent!
Go to pub, i will pay the bill just to hear you speaking about rugby like that.
The wheel spins... always. Maybe very soon!
Do not forget to focus on Romain N'Tamack! He deserves...
Brave of you to do this. Honestly I would be in hiding.
Maco and Dan Cole coming on 😂😂😂🤦♂️
Tough one to have to react to. Massive hammering by France.
Hopefully England pull it back together for next weekend and give us a good match in Dublin.
I hope we can at least make it interesting for you!
There's no way that's happening. It's broken and will stay broken whilst anyone pretends it will somehow turn around. Ireland will trash England and hopefully it will start a process of examining all the factors of failure.
@@ecaeas4439 from an Irish Guy look if we trash England that's cool but at the same time if you offered me a 1 point win with 0 injuries i would take it right now because realistically there's nothing to gain by hammering a team from the Irish Perspective we want to secure our First Grandslam on Home Turf in 74 years
Grand slam eh ? You know there’s a game tomorrow, right ?
No chance... Put your reserves out mate.. give em a run out. 40 pointer.
As a complete outsider (Irish fan), two things were noticeable about England.
Firstly the tactics are limited at best, they belong to the south African team of 2007. Secondly, English back row, nine and centres are below international standard. I don't know the English league that well so are there better options in these positions? Also if England think there issue is at 10 then they have no chance of making the necessary improvements
Nailed it. We put all our attention on the areas that dont matter and ignore those that do
I know a lot of chat will be around Smith but for me I thought this was the game that Slade can finally come out of his shell and highlight his talent and yet again for myself he wasn't there, I don't know why but for Exeter Slade looks fantastic but as of late looks completely invisible for England
I read your comment and I had to Google to see if he was playing. He was invisible.
I know it must be a difficult to an english fan tonight... But as a French fan try to understand this moment.... and you will quickly admit "yes it was coming"
Forget the stats, 15 years of invincibility in Twickenham vs France.... Dupont and cie could have win it easily in 2021 or nations league with more Luck. France is slowly but surely testing their whole strategy and gameplan for the World Cup. It exploded tonight. England will be back through basics... When france wants to peak in september. What a great sport show it was in Twickenham.
Game was lost upfront, when the backs had a platform, led by Mitchell we saw what eng could do.
Agreed. England forwards need to focus on how they attack the gainline (maybe be less directly confrontational, focus more on support, offloads, space and ball presentation (France and Ireland are so good at that) and resourcing rucks. The good thing is that the scrums and lineouts were not as dominant. So we can see that there were some areas where we weren't smashed. What little attack we had was pretty good when we got fast ball. The getting of it is the issue
This should be a turning point. Either not good enough or past it. English premiership just not the standard they think it is.
my god... crushed, rolled on all sides, what an humiliation.
Maggie Thatcher your boys took one hell of a beating...!!!! 😂😂
Quel pied ! 😁🐓👍
very sad to see the English team today, hope for the best next week but ...
Le réservoir de joueurs anglais est grand et beaucoup d'Anglais ont le rugby dans le sang comme de nombreux Français, je ne m'inquiète pas pour le rugby anglais qui doit restructurer ses clubs professionnels.
All France did was punish errors. We were next to Damian Lewis and he left with tens minutes to go.
Borthwicks honeymoon period is over before it started.
I turned up today thinking there was a chance England would win. Luckily I was wearing a beret.
Bring back, Eddie Jones on improved contract.
Premiership doesn’t create international players. We need a massive overhaul of the English system. We can’t compete at the break down.
Irish supporter here. Felt genuinely bad for England today watching that. From an English perspective, I thought the most disappointing thing was how much they were outworked. Fellas were getting to rucks an age before the French. And that's one of those things that doesn't require skill. France were of course very good but were made to look better because of that
Don’t. They wouldn’t feel bad for anyone else.
@@Dreyno ah c'mon buddy....take your issues elsewhere
@@seanfitz76 What issues? If England thump ireland next week, they will love it. Not an ounce of sympathy. Mark my worlds.
@@Dreyno You know all English fans do you?
@@dulls8475 I’ve met enough. Bad losers and worse winners.
I would have liked to see Smith (albeit heavily hampered by the conditions) given more time and responsibility to try and spark a Harlequin-esque second-half comeback instead of resorting to Farrell to helm what was ultimately a sinking ship. Mitchell showed instantly that his injection of pace and vision at the ruck could have provided the foundations for such a comeback, but by pushing Marcus one man out (again), simply rendered us hopeless of taking advantage of this opportunity. Ultimately, I don't see the benefit of this particulate substitution as I struggle to understand what exactly they will learn or gain from this? For me, it is an indication of a lack of confidence and trust in the players and their ability.
Haha, you're as deluded as Borthwick.
agreed.
@@maxwellfan55 Please elaborate....
This is international test level rugby, no expectation of pinning of a premiership comeback
Eggchasers along with Squidge rugby best rugby content on youtube at the moment.
England Rugby fans...can always rely on them to stream back to Ant & Dec on time...when the going gets rough.
So do England get a bounce and a reaction for next week? Or do they cop another result like this again? I’m thinking they respond
Another 50 point defeat mate.
Ever consider that they respond and still get hammered? That’s it’s out of their power because no matter how up for it they are, they’re not good enough?
I think our effort is not the problem Our overall talent is.
Does Englands last 2 6N final positions put into question the quality of the English Premiership?
Hard day in the office for English fans ..
big gap in class ..
no game plan from England.
Roll on next week to Dublin .
🙈 having nightmares in advance
Puts Ireland’s bonus point win over France into some context.
true!
Lots of chat about smith and Farrell but I think it’s clear now that’s a bit of a sideshow. Our pack was humbled. Saw some stuff on England socials of the guys getting beasted by a brutal leg day in camp. Maybe they were beasted too much? Didn’t look sharp. I’d rather think they weren’t 100% fit than the only other logical alternative which is our pack is simply poor quality
Genge Sinkler and Itoje will never be dropped. Never. if they play world class or play like drains, they will always keep their place. England STILL cannot settle on a balanced backrow. how long has that been now?
Sinckler is just poor and is constantly being smashed in the breakdowns.Time to try players breaking through
Highlights the state of English media bullshit vs reality. Absolute privilege to watch these players. Well played Sean Edwards 😂😂
We were hosed by the end of the first half. The French were a joy to watch!
Some of the media, generalisations dont do you any good. Read more.
Borthwick and his appointers have succeeded in rinsing any remaining credibility in modern English rugby.
Needing a cup of tea after a defeat is so a english things to do.
Hahaha. Glad to keep the stereotype alive
Commiserations my dude. Eggchasers is great. We’ve all had these days.
At least you didn’t have to suffer the TV commentators. Rugby should follow MOTD and go pundit free😂
hahaha
hahaha yea when i heard what MOTD is doing I'm like are we supposed to be upset by that? because some of those pundits are fucking shocking unironically Tim i could see this backfiring it going so well people will demand it remain like that
Where else will we hear cutting analysis like Sir Clive's "England kick off too long"
@@kingstonbro5323 couldn't believe THAT was the thing he picked up on over anything else..
@@adamgibbons210 I love his weird ability to focus on something not that relevant and crowbar it into all his talking points. Few weeks ago, it was that there should be no subs.
How good would France be if Dupont got injured? Still pretty damn good I'd say, but he is without question their driver.
I see Danty in the lineup,I put money on France,never lose
VIVE LA FRANCE and good game 😉😉
Felicitations!
To properly understand what happened I’d need to rewatch the game. But I can’t bring myself to watch that again. Depressing.
Le résumé des actions à gauche fait peur mdrr.
Pour le coup bien que Ramos a marqué une bonne partie de nos points, j'aurais mis Flament pour le match absolument stratosphérique qu'il a fait. Couronné par 2 essais.
Sorry for your loss.
Men against boys - your best comment. Ireland and France are unbelievable
What was the fans reaction at the end ,be grateful for any input,heart broken at the moment feel crushed,usually get a bounce from new manager
I don't think I've seen a guy so depressed after a game.
Well, it's rugby, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
What I notice is that this match was exemplary not a single yellow or red card.
Dignified and rule-abiding opponents.
(I hope the commentator took a whiskey to console himself).
yea real brutal beat down in Twickenham I'm gonna be very blunt and honest here and ask was there any English fans who actually believed they stood a chance going into this match ? like from an Irish guy we can tell you first hand how fucking Tough France are as a team we really had our work cut out for us and had to fight to get those 4 trys defensively they are incredible anyway on to the next game
France have gone up a level today. Be happy you're playing England next week, and not France
France weren't that great against Scotland.
Nope always knew we’d lose but not hammered but sometimes you need this kick in the guts to come back better
No I didn't, not really. But France were way, way better today than in Dublin mate.
@@rob.1 ahahaha some fighting talk we'll see how that goes in France later this year
England are in a tricky place. They are not that bad at any aspect of the game, but they are not that good at any of them either. They get out powered by the power teams and out finessed by the finesse teams whilst not having the power to throttle the likes of Scotland the finesse to dance with the likes of France.
The real worry must be that Ireland have both, next week may be ugly ...
i mean from an Irish guy like yea this was on their home Turf and now they have to travel to the Aviva stadium where most likely they will be going into a game against an Irish team looking for their first grand slam on Home turf in 74 years
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 Gotta get past us tomorrow yet 😉
@@DoddyIshamel reckon tomorrow's already in the bag. all 3 home teams thrashed this weekend.
@@DoddyIshamel yea that is true i mean if your a betting man even with home field Scotland are massive underdogs i know on any Sunday anything can happen but i think realistically Ireland will get the Win because we don't even have to win by 43 points all we need to do is win by a single point and if the French defense leaked 4 tries to us that's not a good Omen for Scotland anyway see how tomorrow goes
@powerbite92 Probably, I bet we have a better go than Italy or England though.
France a team approaching it's pinnacle of performance. England team starting their journey, or even worse, still on their way down.
Outclassed and outmuscled. Willis, Dombrandt, JVP so so poor. They looked twice as fast as us.
I don't think you can single out 3 players. The whole forward pack was outplayed convincingly. Massive gulf between their ability.
France was just levels above! No matter who was selected! My only take is, as I’ve said before, seeing the best coach ( who’s English!!) stand with France, (and when Wales were super) ! Shaun Edwards!! Why the hell hasn’t the best coach in the world, who’s English, coached for his home country! Madness!!
cos he's a loony tune who will Never Ever head up a coaching ticket. Ever.
RFU mate so badly ran they can’t see what’s right in front of them
@@powerbite92 First,he's not the head coach,just defense coach. Second,maybe you guys didn't respect him that much when he was working for you. Third ,he probably liked to train good players. Cause the real problem with the english is that you always blame the coach,but the reality is that france have world class players and you just don't. First step to solve a problem is to recognize there is one.
Is the Prem in the mud a bit? Feels like URC and Top 14 players have something different recently.
How long before the players realise Borthwick is no good compared to what EJ was and they begin to lose interest. Has it already begun?
Hahahaha rosbif. Thank you for making life funny in such terrible times.
Tsjonge, jonge, jonge!
I love that English coaches are calling the shots in France and Ireland who we didn’t recruit when we could have……
So hard for you dont give up hope you must have great players in England with the player pool you must have.
We dont. We have 61% of players in the premiership on the field who are not eligible to play for England. Our club game is way off international form as was proved today. We have teams going under with more to follow.
Humiliation is the only word to use.
Despite the defeat, England can still take positives from the game and build on this for the 2027 world cup
Can anyone name the song playing the background at the start of this video?
It's a Sam Fender track, I know that much.
@@EggchasersRugby Cheers
France were ruthlessly excellent in the dark parts of the game. Dominated England physically and technically at the breakdown.
But England were as bad as it gets at points - no more than 3-5 phases in them then. Structure breaks and they kick, not particularly well. The bad overkick from Smith for the easy mark being symptomatic.
that was total demolishion. shocked myself . french were in a league of their own. steve borthwick has his work cut out . i,m from wales mate and french and irish are streets ahead off the rest of the six nations teams .
Scotland don't stand a chance tomorrow 😢
🤣Boot is on the other foot, this was reserved for Wales and the wooden spoon, 👍at least Wales had an excuse, contract upheaval, RIP English rugby..
Bad times.
As an Irish Fan , thats a bit harsh
@@64jkn 😂you want be saying that when you cart off the grand slam, and England are left floundering. 🤣
Stupid comment
@@spud7823 no excuses for England or wales, we are both shit. We don't pick the right players and wales simply don't have the players.
England have a club coach and it's showing now.