Haskell was not even an idea by 1980, he's talking much before that. To put it into perspective, Miranda was released in '85, and it's Haskell's mom. ML, the grandaddy, was born in the 70s. He's probably talking about some lisp and another lisp, considering how the AI lab at MIT had no shortage of languages based off of it (Planner, Scheme, Shrldu,etc), or about those "compiler compilers" that were so popular at certain point in time.
I also think Lisp (no common Lisp back then!), Haskell doesn't fit, it doesn't allow changing the running program. Maybe some old assembler-style language? Scheme is also way to rigorous to fit the description. It's really sad that we cannot ask him anymore.
For some reason, the more ordinarily obvious our environment is, the mysterious it is, probably because our embodiment is reiterative reintegration of here-now-forever pulse-evolution differentiates. In Principle, existence exists as time-timing sync-duration quantization. The Calculus, integration and differentiation is another aspect of AM-FM Communication of Quantum Computational Logarithmic Temporal Modulation Mechanism Mathematics. It is Time, and human philosophy or culture is organised by prior learning to maintain status quo in response to overwhelming complexities. Professor Minsky's style of expression one I can relate to.
18:58 This seems to imply that general artificial intelligence cannot be achieved with a neural network (at least what we presently call a neural network).
Theoretically speaking, even if you did connect hundreds of thousands or millions of NNs together. What is the outcome most likely going to be? Some underlying cognitive architecture may be required.
"Artificial intelligence" is not the same thing with "consciousness". What I mean is that "inteligence" is not the same with "consciousness". You have created some primitive artificial intelligence without any consciousness at all but you can create artificial intelligence together with artificial, 100%, full consciousness.
Minsky here points out very well the problem: code for AI must be transparent for the programmer and flexible enough to cope with all the possible input combinations without programming all of them. But minsky forgot the most important thing: algorithmically you cannot solve most of the AI problems, but with topology is rather trivial.
I really enjoyed this never thought of things this way, they were things I thought just assumed knowledge, the problem is my assumed knowledge, it gets in the way of further questioning. Feels cheated.. like brought up to care about the wrongs things
I dont agree : newtonian idea, darwin idea and learning associative ideas are indeed relevant for AI: learning is nothing else thst a partial differentiation with time and reinforcement contingencies as variables running within a markovian programm. Neural Networks are very limited on this topic.
Minsky here made a mistake: he did not grasp at all the contingency model of reinforcement: you can have a simpler and more powerful predictable model than a clumsy neural net just by programming a reinforced memory. Several factors simpler than a ANN and more flexible...
As nouns the difference between preface and premise is that preface is the part of the liturgy that precedes the main part of the eucharist while premise is a proposition antecedently supposed or proved; something previously stated or assumed as the basis of further argument; a condition; a supposition. This genius missed out on knowing that simple language, music, art, printing of words is total computers........ what marvin is saying is electronics has speeded up this form of computing exponentially. I still love Marvin. Graduate from Capitol College and NIU.
Poor Marvin...... He doesn't even know Euclide...... he's got total recal like a sevant... same as the guy laughing in the background like a bowl of jelly. Marvin is logical enough to cover his ass in missing common sense, as he said he even taught a student how to get around it. So Marvin taught him how he got around it so taught his students...... he said it I didn't it....... hah hah hah, to the belly in the background. 29:42 into Marvin's diatribe.
I spamed this on social media I'm a hermit but I have 700/ followers hopefully there not incompetent as like I sed I'm a recluse bie choice ...I not the 99% not the 1%. I am of the Top 20% in science thow ..with out even taking any lab back when I finished school 20/years ago irony my brother 3 years older is now a programer who writes his own business software and self markets . and is a top free Lance.coder in the US . I don't use this accolades as if they where my own I use the. As example of how I grew up .... I just can't code lol ...I kill science ...
The more we learn about how the mind works , the less efficient it gets ,Because we can't understand exactly what we know. This is further proof that God exists. Marvin is a Genius
I'm convinced from Marvin the only difference from Ivy league and others is the minds ability to store information. That's all Marvin has. Stored information. That he regurgitates. Stored information can use logic like Marvin. Poor Marvin. Please tell me when he quotes Socrates, Plato, Christ, ets..... you don't hear that from this total recal photographic nice guy. Whose the guy in the back ground laughing like a bowl of jelly?
I Love You Sand. I hope your female. I'd love you even a bit more...... LOL. Poor Marvin...... He doesn't even know Euclide...... he's got total recal like a sevant... same as the guy laughing in the background like a bowl of jelly. Marvin is logical enough to cover his ass in missing common sense, as he said he even taught a student how to get around it. So Marvin taught him how he got around it so taught his students...... he said it I didn't it....... hah hah hah, to the belly in the background. 29:42 into Marvin's diatribe.
This is why the internet is good.
Amazing! Thanks for the upload!
24:14 He loves Functional Programming (he's referring to Lisp and Haskell) 26:30 Why the hell did we stop teaching Euclid's Geometry as a math primer.
Haskell was not even an idea by 1980, he's talking much before that. To put it into perspective, Miranda was released in '85, and it's Haskell's mom. ML, the grandaddy, was born in the 70s.
He's probably talking about some lisp and another lisp, considering how the AI lab at MIT had no shortage of languages based off of it (Planner, Scheme, Shrldu,etc), or about those "compiler compilers" that were so popular at certain point in time.
24:03 What are these two programming languages?
If I remember correctly they would be Fortran and LISP
@@FrankEscandell Thank you for getting back to me. I appreciate it!
What an amazing visionary, thank you for sharing!
Dude you're an idiot. A replicant, like in blade runner movie. Take a new picture. You even look like an idiot. Handsome but have an idiot smile.
2:31, a simulation is a world not just a “program”. After all our world could be a simulation.
24:07 what languages is he talking about?
LISP and maybe Smalltalk
Lisp and Haskell 👦
@@DeependraTube rather common lisp and scheme
I also think Lisp (no common Lisp back then!), Haskell doesn't fit, it doesn't allow changing the running program.
Maybe some old assembler-style language? Scheme is also way to rigorous to fit the description.
It's really sad that we cannot ask him anymore.
Not Smalltalk since that was in the 70's.
It appears that he had a good sense of humour. NICE!!!!
26:50 The beggining of Computational Thinking. That's exactly what kids REQUIRE nowadays.
"Artificial Intelligence' will have the same limitations that you do. You cannot know anything you don't already know. It will know what we teach it.
For some reason, the more ordinarily obvious our environment is, the mysterious it is, probably because our embodiment is reiterative reintegration of here-now-forever pulse-evolution differentiates. In Principle, existence exists as time-timing sync-duration quantization. The Calculus, integration and differentiation is another aspect of AM-FM Communication of Quantum Computational Logarithmic Temporal Modulation Mechanism Mathematics. It is Time, and human philosophy or culture is organised by prior learning to maintain status quo in response to overwhelming complexities.
Professor Minsky's style of expression one I can relate to.
18:58 This seems to imply that general artificial intelligence cannot be achieved with a neural network (at least what we presently call a neural network).
Theoretically speaking, even if you did connect hundreds of thousands or millions of NNs together. What is the outcome most likely going to be? Some underlying cognitive architecture may be required.
20:25 - Screwdriver credit assignment
"Artificial intelligence" is not the same thing with "consciousness".
What I mean is that "inteligence" is not the same with "consciousness".
You have created some primitive artificial intelligence without any consciousness at all but you can create artificial intelligence together with artificial, 100%, full consciousness.
Minsky here points out very well the problem: code for AI must be transparent for the programmer and flexible enough to cope with all the possible input combinations without programming all of them. But minsky forgot the most important thing: algorithmically you cannot solve most of the AI problems, but with topology is rather trivial.
Nobody cares.
LOL
I really enjoyed this never thought of things this way, they were things I thought just assumed knowledge, the problem is my assumed knowledge, it gets in the way of further questioning. Feels cheated..
like brought up to care about the wrongs things
11:11 Jean PIaget
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Piaget
I hear Seth Lloyd giggling in the background
Uh, is this guy kidding mankind? Did he ever read the old and new testiment? This is MIT's best? OMG!!!!!!!
👍 this country will not survive without AI commonsense in the future.
I couldn't help think, why does his forehead melt on to the top of his glasses
I dont agree : newtonian idea, darwin idea and learning associative ideas are indeed relevant for AI: learning is nothing else thst a partial differentiation with time and reinforcement contingencies as variables running within a markovian programm. Neural Networks are very limited on this topic.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
@@sandvillage1242 lmfaoooo
Minsky here made a mistake: he did not grasp at all the contingency model of reinforcement: you can have a simpler and more powerful predictable model than a clumsy neural net just by programming a reinforced memory. Several factors simpler than a ANN and more flexible...
Nobody cares.
As nouns the difference between preface and premise is that preface is the part of the liturgy that precedes the main part of the eucharist while premise is a proposition antecedently supposed or proved; something previously stated or assumed as the basis of further argument; a condition; a supposition.
This genius missed out on knowing that simple language, music, art, printing of words is total computers........ what marvin is saying is electronics has speeded up this form of computing exponentially. I still love Marvin. Graduate from Capitol College and NIU.
Define "silly." Anyone.
Poor Marvin...... He doesn't even know Euclide...... he's got total recal like a sevant... same as the guy laughing in the background like a bowl of jelly. Marvin is logical enough to cover his ass in missing common sense, as he said he even taught a student how to get around it. So Marvin taught him how he got around it so taught his students...... he said it I didn't it....... hah hah hah, to the belly in the background. 29:42 into Marvin's diatribe.
There's a reason only 43 comments exist. So maybe I'm not stupid. Hah hahaha
I spamed this on social media I'm a hermit but I have 700/ followers hopefully there not incompetent as like I sed I'm a recluse bie choice ...I not the 99% not the 1%. I am of the Top 20% in science thow ..with out even taking any lab back when I finished school 20/years ago irony my brother 3 years older is now a programer who writes his own business software and self markets . and is a top free Lance.coder in the US . I don't use this accolades as if they where my own I use the. As example of how I grew up .... I just can't code lol ...I kill science ...
Marvin is replaced by Blade Runner in 1985!!!!! He's basically explaining why he's a Replicant and is anti social.
The more we learn about how the mind works , the less efficient it gets ,Because we can't understand exactly what we know. This is further proof that God exists. Marvin is a Genius
Thank God Marvin explained all Ivy league colleages can be replaced by a computer..... hah hah hah to the psycho path in the back ground laughing,..
I'm convinced from Marvin the only difference from Ivy league and others is the minds ability to store information. That's all Marvin has. Stored information. That he regurgitates. Stored information can use logic like Marvin. Poor Marvin. Please tell me when he quotes Socrates, Plato, Christ, ets..... you don't hear that from this total recal photographic nice guy. Whose the guy in the back ground laughing like a bowl of jelly?
I love this man greatly but...blah blah... God created the universe. It's not that hard to understand.
I Love You Sand. I hope your female. I'd love you even a bit more...... LOL. Poor Marvin...... He doesn't even know Euclide...... he's got total recal like a sevant... same as the guy laughing in the background like a bowl of jelly. Marvin is logical enough to cover his ass in missing common sense, as he said he even taught a student how to get around it. So Marvin taught him how he got around it so taught his students...... he said it I didn't it....... hah hah hah, to the belly in the background. 29:42 into Marvin's diatribe.