The PolyBrute 12 is the only device I would love to own after seeing SB2024 gear videos. But then again, it would take up too much room. Soundwise though it is an instant winner on the G.A.S. list. Thank you for the video, I hope Arturia will send you the 12 to make more content.
That would be pretty awesome, but I'm probably too small a channel. Loopop has over 100 times my subscriber base which is why they get all the cool toys. I do like my original Polybrute though and the new distortion effects from the latest firmware sound fantastic. It's a really deep synth and the sound is top notch if you ever decide to bite the bullet and purchase one.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 I would not lust for gear sent to you, it comes with lots of responsibilities. You go on being you and make those high quality videos I have come to love.
This looks amazing. Along the lines of "just being fun", I have a modest collection of synths and recently got a Microfreak ... it is the most fun of all of them. Arturia really are setting the standard lately.
Though it was only monophonic second touch (even on 8 voice poly patches), the CE-20 from Yamaha which used 4 op FM before the DX line, had an AT performance that looks very similar to the Polybrute 12. It's second touch can be routed to brightness and/or vibrato and it's extremely expressive. You can feel the second touch on the CE-20 physically more so than the Hydrasynth. I've not played the 12, but from the description and the videos showing the key action, it appears very similar. After nearly 40 years, it's nice to see that second touch implemented on a traditional key bed. Though I still say the side to side of the Osmose is the ultimate in mimicking an acoustic performance on an electronic synth.
FANTASTIC video. Having owned all of Arturia's flagships, you perfectly summarized my issues with their keybeds - I can't stand them. They feel light, springy, and cheap, which substantially subtracts from otherwise top-notch instruments. I have high hopes for the PB12, but unfortunately you can easily see some of these same issues remain across multiple videos: uneven key heights, spacing, etc. Hopefully the keys have more weight and resistance, but it still shakes my head that Arturia doesn't seem to mind these aesthetic issues on high end synths! The PB range does sound great overall though, but my other concern is that when you bypass those beautiful FX, the raw sound of the oscillators just doesn't hold up to other analog polys like my Prophets, Oberheims, Moogs, and Rolands. They have a sound very much all their own, which is fine, but just make sure you're OK with it when really digging.
Thanks Jim. Yeah, there is no perfect synth unfortunately. If we could mash an Oberheim or Moog with all the controls and FX on the Polybrute and add a top end Fatar keybed, then it would probably be close to perfect.
@@JimDaneker thx for confirming what I had spied on Loop's demo, I never wanted to mention it, but an uneven key @ that asking $ is only acceptable at the Behringer camp with their budget range. Someone got upset, an owner of the PB12 when I pointed out that it wasn't doing any low registers like the Teo-5 was displaying. I think it comes down to gain staging and how you have to for more voices, have a lower gain so you don't clip, so 12 voices vs 5, ofc the 5 will have more bass, now given when you lower gain staging you also have an affect through the Fletcher Munson curve, lower amplitudes will always affect your frequency range. I am not over fond of the sound when you strip the fx of the PB or PB12. Just doesn't drive it home for me, but the Teo 5 has something that I like. Fwiw, that owner is under NDA from Arturia so ofc he is going to defend the synth, I was just loling that he could be defensive over an opinion? If you're going to release a keybed that looks like a 60's British teenage with their teeth (wildly exaggerating here lol) and call it a flagship synth, I think you better get some braces on that keybed. The Osmose keybed is far superior, has lateral movement and you don't need to replace a bunch of keys, you can replace 1 as they're independent. I do like the Osmose, but I like how the Teo 5 sounds and they're priced very close to each other, I just don't have room for both. Thanks for being honest, I mean when people are going nuts over something new, that really hasn't done more than anything else that exists other than the keybed, and the keybed is wonky, I think I would give it a pass.
I’m waiting for mine to ship. Just an aside though, Native Instruments newer controllers have poly aftertouch (certainly not the full range zed mode). The keybed is ok but the poly AT opens up a ton of possibilities considering the range of software instruments that join it w Komplete. The Iridium was disappointing and it feels like a toy. I’m getting rid of it after only three months. I’m guessing when I have the PB12 for a few months the Moog One will be the next to go. It is difficult to make it sound warm and it’s channel aftertouch. Many thanks for the vid!
From what I'm hearing in this video (and others), the full aftertouch feature is the same as having the velocity linked to a different parameter (as well as the volume). Is that correct?
With any aftertouch, you can link almost anything to that pressure, depending on the synth of course. So you could have the aftertouch change the frequency of a low pass filter for instance. With mono aftertouch, that will change the low pass filter for all sounds. With poly aftertouch, it links a different low pass filter to every key. I don't believe that you can link different parameters to different keys though. At least I haven't seen that yet. Both the Polybrute 12 and the Osmose also have a much deeper aftertouch where the key travel is pretty significant, compared to most other keyboards where it's a very small amount of travel. Some people don't like traditional aftertouch and like having the deeper travel on the Polybrute because it's a bit easier to play. Hope that info helps.
Behringer UBXa is the Analog, bitimbral, 16 voice with PAT, game changer to be honest. And for a lot less. Arturia PB12 has the wonderful matrix, etc. But voice count, PAT, if you care, and bitimbrality goes to Behringer. And, to be honest, dont care for the sound of either.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 the UBXa is their first with Poly After Touch. All their polys will have it. Also the voice count is 16 on the UBXa but will be the same amount of 16 for their other poly clones. For the amount of modulation and what not, you are mighty well served with the PB12. Much more versatile and fun.
Only partially, I made a strings patch on my explorer where I routed velocity to lower the attack and release when I pressed the keys harder, so I could dynamically switch between a borderline pad swell and staccato. The hydrasynth doesn't seem to have quite the same kind of release function though.
Since I made this video, Expressive E sent me an Osmose to try. For true analog and several other things like the ribbon controller and a ton of dedicated knobs, the Poly wins. But the Osmose wins for the expressivity and the keys with the side to side and deep aftertouch are really fantastic. They both have their pros and cons IMO.
Isn't the morph pad now redundant due to poly after touch and "Full Touch"?...Remove the pad and add an octave for a 73 key version. What store was that at 1:17? I dangerously assume Chuck Levin's or Sweetwater. I've never seen a retail showroom with that many pro keyboards even (former) Sam Ash in Manhattan.
I would put controls on the PAT first, but the Morphee could still be useful and for sure I would remove it for an extra octave or more. Yes, it's Sweetwater. If you ever get the chance to go, you should definitely take a road trip. Their piano/synth room is freakishly huge. That video snippet covers maybe 1/4 of the room, and if you call them up ahead of time, they will even pull out stuff from their catalog for you to try if it's not already out on the floor.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 I’ve been fortunate enough to own several classic synths over 45 years. I wish I held onto some of the “sold/traded” that are now worth $$$ but is was always about the next thing… Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2 | Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg (software): Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20 | Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2
Key feel and even the style of the knobs put me off the Polybrute, similarly I decided to skip the Wavestate and now have the Wavestate rack on order (and will probably replace all the knobs on it) - better to use my existing full size keyboards than compromise. At least the knobs on the PB12 can be replaced, so hopefully they've improved the quality of the keybed and not just added the new features. If you are going to buy hardware these days, the quality/feel of the interface is of utmost importance IMO - otherwise soft synths are pretty much caught up in terms of sound quality and a high quality MIDI only controller keyboard + plugins can be a better option at least for studio usage. Looking forward to more MPE/Polytouch and position sensing MIDI/MIDI 2.0 only controller options in future.
MIDI 2.0 sure is taking a long time to get implemented. I don't see too many products boasting about it. My very first keyboard was an EMU PK6 because I couldn't afford the Triton that I really wanted. When I finally had enough money to get a used 61 key Triton, the keybed difference was very apparent. Now it's hard to go back. It's one of the reasons I don't pick up a lot of hardware. Seems like you have to shell out 2-3K to get a high end keybed these days.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 i have the keylab 88 since May 1st.....at first you will hate the keyboard as it feels musshy and velocity is low....tweaking with the computer does not help.......funnily (if this word exists)...after 2 months...i have gotten used to the keybed as it forces me to hit the keys correctly as they are heavy...and its beginning to sound nicer too.... jus for comparison, i also have the Montage 88, Nord piano5, Nord stage 4, Hydrasynth deluxe, Korg wavestate and Opsix, Akai MPC Key 61, Korg Pa5x, Casio Pxs5000 and 7000, and just got the Summit as well as Yamaha ps500... so i just play whatever the keyboard feels like.....
Should ask for a 73-key (C-C) synth, not 72. Hydrasynth Deluxe is 73 key. Also, IMHO, the Osmose was the game changer and Arturia just removed the pitch control options (x-dimension motion of keys and pressure-weighted portamento).
It's way longer that poly aftertouch came out than 30 years, i remember the original ensoniq Eps had it and that was in 1988 , probably some kurzweils had it before that maybe even back to 1984.
The OG Polybrute is awesome as a controller. The morphee, touch ribbon and duo aftertouch are fantastic. All the knobs mean that you can control a lot of stuff too. I only wish they had a 73 or 76 key version.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018I’d really like to see a video in depth about using this as a midi controller. That’s half the reason I want one. I love the analog sound of the Polybrute but I work in the box a lot. Seems like a nice workflow to have per knob midi controller instead of having to remember what knob you programmed to do what on a generic midi controller.
Noticed some comments about PAT on the Behringer but regular PAT isn't anything like this PAT Full Touch with different modes and controls using envelopes. It's way beyond just ordinary PAT.
You might want to look at the Expressive E Osmose. That’s got 49 keys and similar poly after touch plus side to side action. It does lack the knobs and mod matrix of the brute though.
The keys are meant to wobble and make a tremolo effect. This is useful.
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🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *🎮 Introducción al concepto de "cambio de juego" con Polybrute 12.* - Se presenta el Polybrute 12 como un sintetizador innovador. 02:06 *🎹 Características y comparaciones del Polybrute 12.* - Limitaciones del teclado y mejora a 12 voces. - Calidad de la construcción y respuesta táctil del teclado. 04:11 *🛠️ Mejoras significativas y competitividad en el mercado.* - Incorporación del poli aftertouch y modos únicos para una mayor expresividad. - Comparación de precios y ventajas frente a otros sintetizadores. 07:42 *🚀 Arturia y la innovación en la expresividad del teclado.* - La importancia del poli aftertouch para la expresividad y cómo Arturia lidera el mercado con sus innovaciones. - Reflexión sobre la evolución del instrumento y la respuesta del mercado. 09:18 *🌟 Conclusión y llamado a la industria.* - Llamado a otros fabricantes para adoptar innovaciones similares. - Agradecimiento a Arturia por impulsar el avance en instrumentos musicales y solicitud de una versión de 72 teclas. Made with HARPA AI
I fully understand your keybed obsession. This is why I still have a Virus TI2. It has the Fatar TP/8S and I was shocked by the poor keybed feel of many modern synths when I walked to a music store to check out other gear. Also the 6-voice-49-keys trend is annoying. Regarding 88 keys, I fell in love with Numa X Piano GT immediately. Unfortunately my space is currently very limited, so I have to go with 61 keys. Poly AT should be a standard now in every price range, after Hydrasynth and UB-Xa have this. I‘d love to buy Polybrute 12, but it is far too ‚fat‘ to fit into my desk tray.
I've heard good things about the Numa X. Yeah, there are a number of older synths with great keybeds. Heck, the Triton is over 25 years old and if I go to Guitar Center, there are very few synths there with keybeds that are its equal.
Arturia are promoting this as a flagship keybed with a Behringer attitude, wonky keys are ok because people will accept it. Well when your tech is based on the keybed design, and your previous synths suffer from the same thing, it doesn't matter how good a synth sounds, if the keybed is a squishy uneven mess ( not 100% accurate with the PB12), then I suspect people at Arturia know there is an issue, but just don't care. Osmose might have less keys, but full MPE support and real X/Y/Z movement, gives you an understanding that Expressive E know how to make a quality keybed and products.
I annoy the heck out of people online with my obsession with polyaftertouch. Yes, a 76 key version would be great (currently using a GEM S3 as a polyAT controller for this very reason), but I had always wanted a modern Andromeda and this synth comes the closest. Hoping for a "Noir" version in the nearish future...
The full travel Z mod plus split "modes" at the AT sensor is indeed swanky, but will other polyAT keyboards be able to add that via firmware? Time will tell. Besides that it is still a Polybrute in every way other than double the voices meaning all the limitations in design choices that come with that. No doubt plenty of tickets will sell for this hype train, just not to me.
I'm wondering if Arturia has patented that in particular. If so, they will have the corner on that market for awhile. Just like Korg had with SST technology.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Not sure what there is to patent. On AT keybeds velocity is simply how long it takes from top sensor to however far the key is pressed. Half way to AT sensor at same speed as all the way SOMETIMES equals different velocity depending on algorithm and curve setting. Arturia is dropping that time to travel calculation and using absolute position from the top as an alternate to velocity for a mod source. Plus some options starting at the AT sensors. Using velocity sensors in that way is a great idea, but generally ideas cannot be patented. To me the invention was the keybed itself that sends that information to be processed as the synth builder sees fit, but who knows these days...
It's hard to say. Apple patented a bunch of stuff that shouldn't have been patentable in the 2000's and 2010's. Not sure how much of it stuck after years of lawsuits, but sometimes overstating your position is enough to keep the competition at bay. I think the Arturia website says that the 'keybed' is patented, so maybe not the 'modes' used by the keybed. I'll be happy if others can and do adopt this with their products.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 we will see, but given Osmose has had full range Z per key as a mod source (plus X wiggle) for a while now it is hard to see how Arturia could claim the idea as theirs.
Bro the keyboard is not a normal keyboard. I have a matrixbrute and the keys are also smaller than a normal keyboard, I still love it tho. When arturia decides to go with a regular fatar Key bed like everyone else, they won’t be able to can them on the shelves. I don’t understand why people won’t talk about this. I feel It’s a deal breaker for a real keyboard player… maybe…I can handle it. This may also be the reason guitar center doesn’t stock many keyboards currently on the market today. Its almost like they thoughtfully decided to keep everything online so folks can’t get a feel for the actual product do a inspection, a test drive if you will. and moreover, make money off of return shipping, restocking and general customer dissatisfaction.😅
Guitar Center has disappointed me lately. I've been to 3 or 4 different ones in the last few years and most of them aren't even carrying any decent brands. It's all lower cost stuff and very few higher end boards. Sweetwater on the other hand is totally worth visiting. They probably had over 100 different keyboards and digital pianos there to try out.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 yea I’m in LA so I gotta go visit Texas or Nashville. I usually will just go to perfect circuit, they got cool gear there to try out.
So basically, they cross-bred a DeepMind 12 and a Hydrasynth and added 2K euros for no apparent reason.. oh, and those retro IKEA legs.. hahaha.. Filthy rich fanboys will love it.
Have bought mucho gear based on featuresets over the decades, but it's the idiosyncratic and obtuse personalities that have remained and become partners in crime. One thing nobody addresses with the Brute is just how digital it's character is, and if left me so cold on my demo...but if it's the brilliant keys you're after...well let's just say you might want to wait a little while as somebody let something slip ;)
I'm more concerned that it's not multiimbral! Actually I would buy a 49-key version of PolyBrute-12 if it could play at least 6 independent patches. I don't have so much space in my room unfortunatelly.
Else the guys who are interested by the synth and can buy it, and use it in their music by which they live. It is a professional tool, an high end product.
Arctic... I sense decades of video editing finesse or something in this video... This was wonderful.
Thanks for the kind words. I wish I had decades of experience. Been only doing this seriously for a couple of years now.
The way Arturia implemented the aftertouch with the “new” envelopes is really genius.
agree! this is also why its awesome there is so much competition now, it makes it all better :)
ArcticFox is the pepper to Loopop’s salt.
LOL, I feel like a spice girl now.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 This comment and the response is just EPIC!
The PolyBrute 12 is the only device I would love to own after seeing SB2024 gear videos. But then again, it would take up too much room. Soundwise though it is an instant winner on the G.A.S. list. Thank you for the video, I hope Arturia will send you the 12 to make more content.
That would be pretty awesome, but I'm probably too small a channel. Loopop has over 100 times my subscriber base which is why they get all the cool toys. I do like my original Polybrute though and the new distortion effects from the latest firmware sound fantastic. It's a really deep synth and the sound is top notch if you ever decide to bite the bullet and purchase one.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 I would not lust for gear sent to you, it comes with lots of responsibilities. You go on being you and make those high quality videos I have come to love.
This looks amazing. Along the lines of "just being fun", I have a modest collection of synths and recently got a Microfreak ... it is the most fun of all of them. Arturia really are setting the standard lately.
Having one knob per function is nice too.
I too like larger keyboards. 76 keys. That's my absolute favorite format
UDO Super Gemini and UDO Super 8 also have PAT and Super Gemini has a ribbon controller too. The on/off switch and the multiple modes are great!
I'd love to try out anything that UDO has. I've yet to see one in person.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Me to. I went to Chuck Levin's WMC here in DC and they are a keyboard heaven - they have almost everything but not the UDOs
But they‘re DCOs. Of course you get some interesting wavetable sounds, but you lack the analog warmth.
this video is incredible thank you!! i really want the poly brute 12 lol wish i had the funds for that
Me too. Glad you liked the video.
That’s an outrageous price! Behringer makes synths affordable and exciting.
Better than the oligarchy synths costing more than this
Though it was only monophonic second touch (even on 8 voice poly patches), the CE-20 from Yamaha which used 4 op FM before the DX line, had an AT performance that looks very similar to the Polybrute 12. It's second touch can be routed to brightness and/or vibrato and it's extremely expressive. You can feel the second touch on the CE-20 physically more so than the Hydrasynth. I've not played the 12, but from the description and the videos showing the key action, it appears very similar. After nearly 40 years, it's nice to see that second touch implemented on a traditional key bed. Though I still say the side to side of the Osmose is the ultimate in mimicking an acoustic performance on an electronic synth.
The Osmose is the next step.
FANTASTIC video. Having owned all of Arturia's flagships, you perfectly summarized my issues with their keybeds - I can't stand them. They feel light, springy, and cheap, which substantially subtracts from otherwise top-notch instruments.
I have high hopes for the PB12, but unfortunately you can easily see some of these same issues remain across multiple videos: uneven key heights, spacing, etc.
Hopefully the keys have more weight and resistance, but it still shakes my head that Arturia doesn't seem to mind these aesthetic issues on high end synths!
The PB range does sound great overall though, but my other concern is that when you bypass those beautiful FX, the raw sound of the oscillators just doesn't hold up to other analog polys like my Prophets, Oberheims, Moogs, and Rolands. They have a sound very much all their own, which is fine, but just make sure you're OK with it when really digging.
Thanks Jim. Yeah, there is no perfect synth unfortunately. If we could mash an Oberheim or Moog with all the controls and FX on the Polybrute and add a top end Fatar keybed, then it would probably be close to perfect.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Yes indeed! I have heard from several friends who've played the PB12 and tell me it does feel fantastic, so here's hoping!
@@JimDaneker thx for confirming what I had spied on Loop's demo, I never wanted to mention it, but an uneven key @ that asking $ is only acceptable at the Behringer camp with their budget range.
Someone got upset, an owner of the PB12 when I pointed out that it wasn't doing any low registers like the Teo-5 was displaying.
I think it comes down to gain staging and how you have to for more voices, have a lower gain so you don't clip, so 12 voices vs 5, ofc the 5 will have more bass, now given when you lower gain staging you also have an affect through the Fletcher Munson curve, lower amplitudes will always affect your frequency range.
I am not over fond of the sound when you strip the fx of the PB or PB12. Just doesn't drive it home for me, but the Teo 5 has something that I like.
Fwiw, that owner is under NDA from Arturia so ofc he is going to defend the synth, I was just loling that he could be defensive over an opinion?
If you're going to release a keybed that looks like a 60's British teenage with their teeth (wildly exaggerating here lol) and call it a flagship synth, I think you better get some braces on that keybed.
The Osmose keybed is far superior, has lateral movement and you don't need to replace a bunch of keys, you can replace 1 as they're independent.
I do like the Osmose, but I like how the Teo 5 sounds and they're priced very close to each other, I just don't have room for both.
Thanks for being honest, I mean when people are going nuts over something new, that really hasn't done more than anything else that exists other than the keybed, and the keybed is wonky, I think I would give it a pass.
@6.47 that is incorrect, the Ubxa has polyphonic aftertouch and it's analog.
Seems like its at a pretty decent price point too.
I’m waiting for mine to ship. Just an aside though, Native Instruments newer controllers have poly aftertouch (certainly not the full range zed mode). The keybed is ok but the poly AT opens up a ton of possibilities considering the range of software instruments that join it w Komplete. The Iridium was disappointing and it feels like a toy. I’m getting rid of it after only three months. I’m guessing when I have the PB12 for a few months the Moog One will be the next to go. It is difficult to make it sound warm and it’s channel aftertouch.
Many thanks for the vid!
Very cool on the PB12. I've heard mixed things on the Iridium. It sure looks nice, but pricey for what you get.
From what I'm hearing in this video (and others), the full aftertouch feature is the same as having the velocity linked to a different parameter (as well as the volume). Is that correct?
With any aftertouch, you can link almost anything to that pressure, depending on the synth of course. So you could have the aftertouch change the frequency of a low pass filter for instance. With mono aftertouch, that will change the low pass filter for all sounds. With poly aftertouch, it links a different low pass filter to every key. I don't believe that you can link different parameters to different keys though. At least I haven't seen that yet.
Both the Polybrute 12 and the Osmose also have a much deeper aftertouch where the key travel is pretty significant, compared to most other keyboards where it's a very small amount of travel. Some people don't like traditional aftertouch and like having the deeper travel on the Polybrute because it's a bit easier to play. Hope that info helps.
Behringer UBXa is the Analog, bitimbral, 16 voice with PAT, game changer to be honest. And for a lot less.
Arturia PB12 has the wonderful matrix, etc. But voice count, PAT, if you care, and bitimbrality goes to Behringer. And, to be honest, dont care for the sound of either.
Someone else commented on the UBXa also. I did not know that had a PAT keybed.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 the UBXa is their first with Poly After Touch. All their polys will have it. Also the voice count is 16 on the UBXa but will be the same amount of 16 for their other poly clones. For the amount of modulation and what not, you are mighty well served with the PB12. Much more versatile and fun.
The ubxa has wobbly knobs, screen in the wrong place, and sounds very little like the obxa.
1:42 61 keys is the pipe organ and harpsichord standard!
That is true.
I wonder if you could replicate the envelope poly aftertouch mode in Hydrasynth's mod matrix.
Only partially, I made a strings patch on my explorer where I routed velocity to lower the attack and release when I pressed the keys harder, so I could dynamically switch between a borderline pad swell and staccato. The hydrasynth doesn't seem to have quite the same kind of release function though.
If this is a game changer, the Expressive-E Osmose aborts the whole championship. But you say it’s “too different”? What does that mean?
Since I made this video, Expressive E sent me an Osmose to try. For true analog and several other things like the ribbon controller and a ton of dedicated knobs, the Poly wins. But the Osmose wins for the expressivity and the keys with the side to side and deep aftertouch are really fantastic. They both have their pros and cons IMO.
Isn't the morph pad now redundant due to poly after touch and "Full Touch"?...Remove the pad and add an octave for a 73 key version.
What store was that at 1:17?
I dangerously assume Chuck Levin's or Sweetwater. I've never seen a retail showroom with that many pro keyboards even (former) Sam Ash in Manhattan.
I would put controls on the PAT first, but the Morphee could still be useful and for sure I would remove it for an extra octave or more.
Yes, it's Sweetwater. If you ever get the chance to go, you should definitely take a road trip. Their piano/synth room is freakishly huge. That video snippet covers maybe 1/4 of the room, and if you call them up ahead of time, they will even pull out stuff from their catalog for you to try if it's not already out on the floor.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Thanks for the reply/info. I have the Montage M8x and love the PAT and GEX keybed.
That's a nice board!
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 I’ve been fortunate to own several classics over 45+ years, including several I wish I had kept.
Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2 | Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg (software): Triton, MS-20
Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe | Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 I’ve been fortunate enough to own several classic synths over 45 years. I wish I held onto some of the “sold/traded” that are now worth $$$ but is was always about the next thing…
Using:
Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2 | Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg (software): Triton, MS-20
Sold/Traded:
Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20 | Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2
nice to see Manon from GCN!
Key feel and even the style of the knobs put me off the Polybrute, similarly I decided to skip the Wavestate and now have the Wavestate rack on order (and will probably replace all the knobs on it) - better to use my existing full size keyboards than compromise. At least the knobs on the PB12 can be replaced, so hopefully they've improved the quality of the keybed and not just added the new features. If you are going to buy hardware these days, the quality/feel of the interface is of utmost importance IMO - otherwise soft synths are pretty much caught up in terms of sound quality and a high quality MIDI only controller keyboard + plugins can be a better option at least for studio usage. Looking forward to more MPE/Polytouch and position sensing MIDI/MIDI 2.0 only controller options in future.
MIDI 2.0 sure is taking a long time to get implemented. I don't see too many products boasting about it.
My very first keyboard was an EMU PK6 because I couldn't afford the Triton that I really wanted. When I finally had enough money to get a used 61 key Triton, the keybed difference was very apparent. Now it's hard to go back. It's one of the reasons I don't pick up a lot of hardware. Seems like you have to shell out 2-3K to get a high end keybed these days.
I wonder whether Arturia will be sticking the Poly After/Full Touch capabilities in a midi keyboard. Keylab 88 MK3?
Doesn't their 88 key fully weighted Keylab88 have poly aftertouch capabilities?
Says regular aftertouch, but it's a Fatar keybed. I've never played one though.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 oh, my mistake. And I heard Fatar keyboards are really good and a bit higher end. Hence the price tag for a Midi controller.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 i have the keylab 88 since May 1st.....at first you will hate the keyboard as it feels musshy and velocity is low....tweaking with the computer does not help.......funnily (if this word exists)...after 2 months...i have gotten used to the keybed as it forces me to hit the keys correctly as they are heavy...and its beginning to sound nicer too.... jus for comparison, i also have the Montage 88, Nord piano5, Nord stage 4, Hydrasynth deluxe, Korg wavestate and Opsix, Akai MPC Key 61, Korg Pa5x, Casio Pxs5000 and 7000, and just got the Summit as well as Yamaha ps500... so i just play whatever the keyboard feels like.....
Should ask for a 73-key (C-C) synth, not 72. Hydrasynth Deluxe is 73 key. Also, IMHO, the Osmose was the game changer and Arturia just removed the pitch control options (x-dimension motion of keys and pressure-weighted portamento).
Yeah that was an oops on my part. 73 or 76 key. I should watch some newer videos on the Osmose. I saw some pre-release videos and it looked...ok.
Well if you wany good synths with 88 full weighted keys, get a desktop version of any of these you have on screen and get smt like Doepfer LMK2+88.
It's way longer that poly aftertouch came out than 30 years, i remember the original ensoniq Eps had it and that was in 1988 , probably some kurzweils had it before that maybe even back to 1984.
I believe you are correct. It's probably closer to 40 years.
Analog *and* technically complicated keyboard. I’ll stick to my self repairable Linnstrument.
How does it do as a midi controller? Or does it even?
The OG Polybrute is awesome as a controller. The morphee, touch ribbon and duo aftertouch are fantastic. All the knobs mean that you can control a lot of stuff too. I only wish they had a 73 or 76 key version.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018I’d really like to see a video in depth about using this as a midi controller. That’s half the reason I want one. I love the analog sound of the Polybrute but I work in the box a lot. Seems like a nice workflow to have per knob midi controller instead of having to remember what knob you programmed to do what on a generic midi controller.
Noticed some comments about PAT on the Behringer but regular PAT isn't anything like this PAT Full Touch with different modes and controls using envelopes. It's way beyond just ordinary PAT.
I’d like a 49 key version of this
You might want to look at the Expressive E Osmose. That’s got 49 keys and similar poly after touch plus side to side action. It does lack the knobs and mod matrix of the brute though.
The keys are meant to wobble and make a tremolo effect. This is useful.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 *🎮 Introducción al concepto de "cambio de juego" con Polybrute 12.*
- Se presenta el Polybrute 12 como un sintetizador innovador.
02:06 *🎹 Características y comparaciones del Polybrute 12.*
- Limitaciones del teclado y mejora a 12 voces.
- Calidad de la construcción y respuesta táctil del teclado.
04:11 *🛠️ Mejoras significativas y competitividad en el mercado.*
- Incorporación del poli aftertouch y modos únicos para una mayor expresividad.
- Comparación de precios y ventajas frente a otros sintetizadores.
07:42 *🚀 Arturia y la innovación en la expresividad del teclado.*
- La importancia del poli aftertouch para la expresividad y cómo Arturia lidera el mercado con sus innovaciones.
- Reflexión sobre la evolución del instrumento y la respuesta del mercado.
09:18 *🌟 Conclusión y llamado a la industria.*
- Llamado a otros fabricantes para adoptar innovaciones similares.
- Agradecimiento a Arturia por impulsar el avance en instrumentos musicales y solicitud de una versión de 72 teclas.
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I fully understand your keybed obsession. This is why I still have a Virus TI2. It has the Fatar TP/8S and I was shocked by the poor keybed feel of many modern synths when I walked to a music store to check out other gear. Also the 6-voice-49-keys trend is annoying.
Regarding 88 keys, I fell in love with Numa X Piano GT immediately. Unfortunately my space is currently very limited, so I have to go with 61 keys.
Poly AT should be a standard now in every price range, after Hydrasynth and UB-Xa have this. I‘d love to buy Polybrute 12, but it is far too ‚fat‘ to fit into my desk tray.
I've heard good things about the Numa X. Yeah, there are a number of older synths with great keybeds. Heck, the Triton is over 25 years old and if I go to Guitar Center, there are very few synths there with keybeds that are its equal.
Arturia are promoting this as a flagship keybed with a Behringer attitude, wonky keys are ok because people will accept it.
Well when your tech is based on the keybed design, and your previous synths suffer from the same thing, it doesn't matter how good a synth sounds, if the keybed is a squishy uneven mess ( not 100% accurate with the PB12), then I suspect people at Arturia know there is an issue, but just don't care.
Osmose might have less keys, but full MPE support and real X/Y/Z movement, gives you an understanding that Expressive E know how to make a quality keybed and products.
I annoy the heck out of people online with my obsession with polyaftertouch. Yes, a 76 key version would be great (currently using a GEM S3 as a polyAT controller for this very reason), but I had always wanted a modern Andromeda and this synth comes the closest. Hoping for a "Noir" version in the nearish future...
yeah...this cuppachino color on th pb12 is a real yuks
Incorrect, at the time of the video going out, Super Gemini and UB-Xa both have Poly AT. It’s that kind of ignorance that shows there’s bias.
Behringer is now making poly at keybeds for their new synths :) But it's not that "full touch" technology.
It's good to see a number of options available, especially in different price brackets.
The full travel Z mod plus split "modes" at the AT sensor is indeed swanky, but will other polyAT keyboards be able to add that via firmware? Time will tell. Besides that it is still a Polybrute in every way other than double the voices meaning all the limitations in design choices that come with that. No doubt plenty of tickets will sell for this hype train, just not to me.
I'm wondering if Arturia has patented that in particular. If so, they will have the corner on that market for awhile. Just like Korg had with SST technology.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Not sure what there is to patent. On AT keybeds velocity is simply how long it takes from top sensor to however far the key is pressed. Half way to AT sensor at same speed as all the way SOMETIMES equals different velocity depending on algorithm and curve setting. Arturia is dropping that time to travel calculation and using absolute position from the top as an alternate to velocity for a mod source. Plus some options starting at the AT sensors. Using velocity sensors in that way is a great idea, but generally ideas cannot be patented. To me the invention was the keybed itself that sends that information to be processed as the synth builder sees fit, but who knows these days...
It's hard to say. Apple patented a bunch of stuff that shouldn't have been patentable in the 2000's and 2010's. Not sure how much of it stuck after years of lawsuits, but sometimes overstating your position is enough to keep the competition at bay. I think the Arturia website says that the 'keybed' is patented, so maybe not the 'modes' used by the keybed. I'll be happy if others can and do adopt this with their products.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 we will see, but given Osmose has had full range Z per key as a mod source (plus X wiggle) for a while now it is hard to see how Arturia could claim the idea as theirs.
Bro the keyboard is not a normal keyboard. I have a matrixbrute and the keys are also smaller than a normal keyboard, I still love it tho. When arturia decides to go with a regular fatar Key bed like everyone else, they won’t be able to can them on the shelves. I don’t understand why people won’t talk about this. I feel It’s a deal breaker for a real keyboard player… maybe…I can handle it. This may also be the reason guitar center doesn’t stock many keyboards currently on the market today. Its almost like they thoughtfully decided to keep everything online so folks can’t get a feel for the actual product do a inspection, a test drive if you will. and moreover, make money off of return shipping, restocking and general customer dissatisfaction.😅
Guitar Center has disappointed me lately. I've been to 3 or 4 different ones in the last few years and most of them aren't even carrying any decent brands. It's all lower cost stuff and very few higher end boards. Sweetwater on the other hand is totally worth visiting. They probably had over 100 different keyboards and digital pianos there to try out.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 yea I’m in LA so I gotta go visit Texas or Nashville. I usually will just go to perfect circuit, they got cool gear there to try out.
Still would take the Moog
I've played a Sub 37 and it is a fantastic piece of kit. It would probably be my #1 or #2 pick for a bass and lead machine.
So basically, they cross-bred a DeepMind 12 and a Hydrasynth and added 2K euros for no apparent reason.. oh, and those retro IKEA legs.. hahaha.. Filthy rich fanboys will love it.
Surely you mean 76 keys? I've never seen a 72 key one :-D
Ha, yeah. I didn’t catch that. 73 would be ok too. Definitely need one more octave.
Have bought mucho gear based on featuresets over the decades, but it's the idiosyncratic and obtuse personalities that have remained and become partners in crime. One thing nobody addresses with the Brute is just how digital it's character is, and if left me so cold on my demo...but if it's the brilliant keys you're after...well let's just say you might want to wait a little while as somebody let something slip ;)
I'm more concerned that it's not multiimbral! Actually I would buy a 49-key version of PolyBrute-12 if it could play at least 6 independent patches. I don't have so much space in my room unfortunatelly.
@4000 euros no one really cares
Very few people have 4k going spare to spend on a synth. Not without ruining their marriage!
That's one reason I have a band. It essentially funds my VST and keyboard buying habit.
@@Dudderlyful
this is for the professionals who lives from their music.
Else the guys who are interested by the synth and can buy it, and use it in their music by which they live.
It is a professional tool, an high end product.
@@jean-louispech4921no, they usually use workstations like montage or fantom
the Beige 90s PC vibe case and horrific footprint are two NOPEs for me, I'll wait for a smaller MPE controller
Maybe one day synths will be like guitars and actually be available in a range of colors.
I really really hate these AI voices exclamation point I just can't listen