Galadriel has done a lot of horrific things during the season, but that three second clip of her walking past a burning man and offering no help sums up her entire character.
You know something? Now whenever I watch Fellowship and get to the part where Galadriel almost takes the ring from Frodo, it will no longer be a sobering reminder of the temptation of the ring, that even a pure and noble elf queen could fall under its sway. Now it's her suddenly reverting to type, because this show has convinced me that Galadriel is unironically more evil than Sauron.
@username She does She kidnaps Sauron using emotional manipulation and forces him to conquer "his" nation She tortures people to get information, and that's beyond consistent emotional manipulation of her comrades and allies And she uses the power of being the writer's favorite character to force everyone to do her bidding And to top it off, she takes a man who had been actively undergoing a redemption arc before the series started, stomps on it, and makes him evil again...and that man is Sauron, making her responsible for his evil acts on top of her own The character in the show is not the character from the books. The character in the show is actually evil
@username Galadriel dragged Sauron to the southlands and told everyone he was the new king, before telling Adar she was going to torture orcs and leave him till last so that he knew that she had slaughtered every last one of them. Sauron wanted to stay in Numenor and be a smith but Galadriel manipulated him into fighting because it suited her best
@username That was what she was in the show. IN the show they show us Sauron has given up on morgoths plan. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT INSPIRED HIM TO RETURN TO THE PLAN OF TAKING OVER THE WORLD
About the eruption sparing the named characters: There was a gag in Order Of The Stick (a long-running webcomic) where a couple mortally wounded random soldiers are talking to each other in the aftermath of a big battle. They tell each other their names right as they think they're going to die, after which they both immediately start to feel better and soon get up and walk away, eventually becoming somewhat major characters in the main plot. It's lampshading the narrative trope that a character basically gets a second health bar as soon as the audience knows their name.
So, Galadriel, in her quest for vengeance, created the very evil she swore to destroy. And then, after having this fact revealed to her, did nothing to change it. For fuck's sake.
She wouldn’t shut up trying to convince the other elves to hunt him down before. They declined because she had no prove/ idea where he was. Know she does and she’s quite! You’d think she’d run back to the king and they’d gather a possey to go after him. So I guess her not looking stupid to other elves is more important than catching Saron. 🤦🏼♀️
Jackson had the perfect approach to adapting Tolkien (or any fantasy, IMO) in that he told his crew to look at it as if it was a historical account and that they were lucky enough to have artifacts to replicate and be able to shoot in the locations where these places once were.
He made action movies and changed the characters to make them fitting for his movies. In the movies many characters are reduced to saying one-liners, crying in the camera, and having action scenes.
@@reek4062He adapted the book in a way that worked as three films. There is no way to perfectly adapt LOTR into films or even TV. Not all choices Jackson made were great, and some were really dumb--like Legolas surfing down a Mumakil trunk, but he made many changes that were necessary for the format, unlike this piece of garbage that didn't even try to adapt Tolkien. Don't worry, you still have the book to get all the yellow booted prancing and naked Hobbit running you can handle.
@@Fardawgexactly. His approach was to tell the story of Tolkien as best he can, not what he wanted to tell. Unlike people nowadays in Hollywood who write stories for themselves.
@@Fardawg Jackson didn't even try to adapt Tolkien either: the omission of the Scouring of the Shire, and the butchering of the characters, are enough evidence.
In the film trilogy, Galadriel's defining trait is her piercing insight. While Celeborn greets the fellowship formally, Galadriel communicates privately with Frodo -- she goes immediately to the heart of the matter, namely the ringbearer's burden. She warns Frodo upfront of what he already suspects -- Boromir will succumb and try to take the ring. She later shows him upfront what would happen if he fails, no punches pulled, and even her own temptation by the ring is her essentially saying "let's get this over with" and just going for it -- and coming through having passed the test. Galadriel is ethereal wisdom and beauty, but her character is all about getting straight to the point, to the heart of the matter, with piercing, uncompromising insight. This show... they've got the "uncompromising" part, but seem to have missed the insight and unerring focus on what matters.
@@GhostLink92 If season 1 really was 50 hours and there's more seasons then they could eventually turn Galadriel to the level of a normal human being's morality
@@username45739 I feel a slight sense of kinship with this depiction of sauron because he was denied his dreams of grilling in Numenor, and was mistreated by that abrasive shrew, Galadriel. A mistreatment everyone in the audience got to share in.
They needed someone beautiful to have a chance of pulling off that plot idea. But one drop of a criticism in an ocean of bilge water makes no difference tbh. Not a woman alive would be beautiful enough to pull that off.
"is your duty to your son or to numenor?" If this was really based on Tolkiens work then his response would be something like "Duty to my son is a duty to numenor" ... but no modern day Hollywood writer could handle writing men as important
The pyroclastic flow is a Lovecraftian enigma. Hot enough to set wooden buildings ablaze, powerful enough to level a town and knock everyone to the ground, but when it hits people at full force straight in the face it either leaves them with horrific burns (as expected) or gives them a light shove and an ash dusting.
Reminds me of the gas in Wonder Woman... Sh1t will melt glass, metal and flesh, yet if you cough and/or ya just happen to be the Protag, you might stand amongst the dead, throat itching, eyes twitching, but mostly unaffected by this "deadly compound".
@@amanibob1416 oh yeah I never noticed that. With how potent that stuff is it probably takes a while to air out, and they were in the town right after it was deployed and suffered no effects.
@@calhof991 Naaah, it's dumber than that. Guy went after the Amazonian moron and while she was being triggered by dead folks, walking amongst the corpses... He went looking for her and motha' fucka' was coughing by the time he got the hint that he wasn't exactly "equipped accordingly". Ain't like saltwater in the nose-pipe, making ya suffer for a bit... Made to melt *gas masks and plexiglass/reinforced glass* ... He was coughing... For about a minute. Kek
I can't believe how hard they Jake Skywalkered Galadriel in this show. To make her the cause of Sauron's actions in the third age by shoving him off the path of redemption... Christ.
@@username45739 That's not what the term means. Even if it is Gollum is beyond redemption. He was given the chance but the hold the Ring had over him was absolute. Him partnering with Shelob was the action that shows us he is irredeemable.
@@username45739 Oh no! A character is challenging another character he has reason to distrust. That dubious character has been ruined by falling back in to his old habits in order to get what he wants.
37:31 The best plot-twist is if magic man turned out to be Saruman and his experience with the harfoots is what turned him to evil. It would make his vengeance on the hobbits justified.
@username not really. There's one moment in the third Hobbit film where he sees the Eye of Sauron, and he has a look of being both terrified and spellbound. It's not played as him being corrupted right there, but it was an attempt to explain why he turned.
"I'M GOOD" shouts Gandalf as he disintegrates some witches into ghosts into moth-dust. Oh how I wish we got to see everyone's live reaction to THAT one.
It just clicked for me, it's Finn and stormtroopers all over again. They try to tease orcs are more than faceless cannon fodder for the heros to kill scores of then they forget about it because the good guys need an enemy to slaughter with no moral hang ups
So does Star Wars. Ever notice how light Disney SW is on aliens, clones and droids? All that money and they can’t even be bothered creating a few background aliens to flesh out a scene. It’s always just humans and humans in hoods.
And they’ll do it in the same breath that they use to yell that white people think orcs = black people when the only ones saying such ludicrous things are themselves.
@@tylerskissThe budget is being laundered into politician’s, China’s and Russia’s pockets. It doesn’t actually get spent of the shows. That’s my suspicion.
Timestamps 0:00 Reupload Exclusive Content 2:10 We Played It 2:45 Kick On 4:53 Walk Through The Fire 19:47 Celeborn 21:54 Darkness 23:49 Hardfoots, Space & Distances 29:43 I’ll Never Tell 32:09 Dead Trees 35:20 The Prometheus School Of Running Away From Things 37:40 Elvis & The Dwarfs 47:57 Characters In The Show 54:57 Let Elvis Die 1:07:04 The Mitral & The Goo 1:11:27 Galadriel, Theo & The Orcs 1:25:10 The Blind Queen 1:28:57 Gary is in 1:30:29 Hardwoods 1:33:28 Death, Dance & Twins (It’s so dark that I can’t see anything) 1:35:48 The Sword 1:38:35 Where do we go from here? 1:40:23 EFAP Micro: Basic Storytelling 1:50:40 Elrond & The Mitral 1:58:25 A Pointless Show 2:04:38 Durin & Dwarfs 2:08:04 Hardfoods 2:09:47 The Evil Pyros 2:15:32 The Camp 2:30:25 Season 2 (1) 2:34:59 Hardguilts 2:41:40 Norry Allen & The Hardleague 2:45:10 Finding People 2:49:01 All Bran All Along 2:52:35 Old Dwarfs 2:54:19 The Baufraud 2:58:57 MoRdoR 3:04:39 The Rags 2.0 Plush 3:11:28 The Final Episode 3:11:59 Notgandalf 3:18:15 A Bad Green Screen 3:20:12 Elvis, Euro & Kellog Bin Born 3:25:59 It’s A Small World 3:27:55 Suspicious Minds 3:32:11 6 Days After 3:38:47 All Bran Meets Kellog 3:48:59 A Dying King 3:52:59 How To Save The World 3:55:36 Weird Stuff 4:00:49 Gary is out 4:01:59 Building A Crown 4:03:16 Detective Galadriel 4:05:13 Notgandalf & The Witches 4:09:56 The Hardleague vs The Witches 4:14:42 Fight Scene 4:26:29 Motivational Speech 4:30:04 Second Round 4:35:25 Defeat 4:29:21 Rest In Peace 4:41:20 On A Ship 4:46:59 Explosion 4:20:16 Who Are You / Had Enough 4:56:05 Under Your Spell 4:59:55 I’ve Got A Theory 5:03:04 Season 2 (2) 5:08:29 A Funny Conversation 5:10:09 A Cheap Shot 5:11:39 Join Me And Together We Car Rule The Galaxy 5:16:34 Sauron: What Do We Know? 5:18:37 Knowledge and Causality 5:24:02 The Three Ringos 5:29:21 Notfemfrodo, Notgandalf & Nothobbits 5:39:42 Going Through The Motions 5:43:46 Smelling 5:45:42 Melting 5:53:21 The Ringos Powar 5:55:17 The Eye, The Man & The Mountain 5:57:23 EFAP 2032 5:57:59 Final Opinions 6:01:16 Favorite Characters 6:02:09 Worst Character 6:05:46 Plans & Closing
"He's got lots of powers in the Lore, he can shapeshift, he can turn into Werwolves and Vampires, i don't think he's got some sort or mind-" Rags:"How many Werwolves?"
Concerning Harfoots, by Bilbus Bungelton: "Harfoots have been living and "farming" other Harfoots across Middle Earth for many hundreds of years, quite content to ignore and be ignored by the world of the Big Folk. Middle Earth being, after all, full of strange creatures beyond count. Harfoots must seem of little importance, being neither renowned as great humanitarians, nor counted amongst the very wise. "In fact, it has been remarked by some that Harfoots only real passion is for food. A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the crunching of bones and the stealing of wheels. But where our hearts truly lie is in pain, misery, and good tilled earth fertilized by the remains of our forebears. For all Harfoots share a love of all things that you can boil, mash and stick in a stew. And yes, no doubt to others, our ways seem quaint but today of all days, it is brought home to me it is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life." (The author of this account was later found half eaten by Sadcock Burrows, the village elder)
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil." -Gandalf "I'm good!" -(not)Gandalf
I was about 10 when I first read the books, and was chronically ill with some mystery illness that thankfully wasn't cancer and that line really landed in a way that took me years to really unpack. But what the fuck am I supposed to do with "I'm good"?!
Despite all the 'suttle' clues they gave away to imply Halbrand to be Sauron it wouldn't have been a surprise if the showrunners gave him also a line like 'I AM THE SPY!!!'
20:55 I think Mauler is confusing Celeborn and Círdan. Círdan, Gil Galad and Galadriel are the original Eldair Ringbearers. Círdan was gifted the red ring (fire) by Gil Galad but recognises Gandalf as a force for good and loans him the ring of fire whose power is to inspire resistance to tyranny. Meanwhile he waits for him at the Grey Havens. Gil Galad is slain at Baradur and Elrond takes his blue ring (air) before he dies. Of the three original ringbearers, only Galadriel remains with her white ring (water) that conceals things from evil that she used to protect and sustain Loth Lórien.
They forgot to mention that Galadriel told the scribe to say nothing to anyone about researching Halbrand. Then the same scribe walks into the room with both Galadriel and Halbrand and announces that he found something. 🤣
So, why did Halbrand take the king sigil anyway? Considering he didn't actually seem to want to be named king of the Southlands, why have the sigil of a long dead line of kings on you so that you can A)be found out because the line died 1000 years ago or B) be mistakenly identified as the long list king, when all you wanted to do was settle down and blacksmith?
Rags- At least orcs will stab you in the front. He has a nack for making that definitive line of the podcast. He had it in the rise of Skywalker video "If you can do all this as a force ghost. What's the point of being alive"
Fun facts about alloy: The original word does refer to mixing a noble metal with a baser metal, hence to debase or reduce a noble metal. That was the meaning when it was used in alchemical texts. The meaning of mixing any two metals is the modern definition that arrives with modern chemistry in the 1800s.
My roommate has actually never seen the movies but was watching the show and enjoying it. He decided to watch the films because he liked the show so much. I walked in on him sleeping through the Battle of Helms Deep. While I'm disappointed in this show, know it's idiotic and heretical, and will always love and cherish the films, I now understand this show, like most properties that were a part of ""nerd culture,"" is meant for people who know nothing about them and have no desire to understand the worlds they inhabit. People who watched the LotR trilogy maybe once when it came out and think it was alright are the people this is for. Bang bang flashy splosions! Wow! Pretty lights! Show good!
Oneof my friends is like this he watched Shane Black's Predators abomination and it was his "favorite" predator movie ever... Some people just enjoy flashing lights and pretty colors while they sit and drool because they're brain isn't on.
@@brandonvallier4214 if they're self-aware, it's fine. I prefer Discovery to most (not all) of Star Trek. It has more action and it feels like things with consequence happen. I still recognise calling Discovery anything related to Star Trek is a great offense because the show could at best be described as "vaguely inspired by Star Trek". They're two completely different things and should've always been that way.
@@Wyzai I agree if they are self aware then it comes down to preference and I don't have an issue with that. I even enjoy some bad movies and games but I acknowledge they aren't the best.
I can actually hear that in her voice. “How may I help you miss?” “There is a tempest In me! It swept me to this store for a reason, and it will not be quelled by you, manager!” “I understand, miss. You can find Pepto-Bismol in aisle 15, at the back of the store. The restrooms are back there as well if it’s an emergency.”
26:59 Rags is onto something. I always heard that Tolkein created the languages first in his passion as a linguist and then created the world of middle earth and it’s races to fit his languages.
Tolkien wished to build lore and tongues to use as foundation for future tales, cuz he thought his country lacked that kind of stuff. Point is, it wasn't "done this, so might as well use it", but rather sort of the classic: Step 1, then step 2... Put this on paper for whenever we get to step 17. Now back to step 2.9..." Far as I've read, that's how it goes.
@@michaeljeffreyjordan4966 He didn't. It was an experimental process. There are three distinct versions of Beren and Lúthien and two versions of Túrin. Everything had multiple drafts. It was only the languages that had forethought.
@@thorscape3879 I agree with you on the languages but Tolkiens direct quote is “I wisely started with a map and made the story fit”. Not to say his map was completely 100% correct and I realize he has another quote calling the languages the foundation, but still think his mapping was a forethought since he says as much.
It still blows my mind... according to the writers... Elendil and Isildur are alive... BEFORE Galadriel's daughter is... The rings are meant to be made 2k years before either of them are alive! Galadriel should already be around 3-4 THOUSAND YEARS OLD. Galadriel's daughter should be nearing 2k years old at this point, THE HELL IS THIS TIMELINE?! ... god I'm angry.
And Galadriel's daughter is to be Elrond's wife, so now both father and daughter will have wed a spouse 2500+ years their junior. Must run in the family.
Dont forget that celebrimbor is as smart as a layman and sauron in the show did help forge the 3 elven rings that he shoulndt have helped made and they were supposed to be made after the other rings!!!!
These idiots where given the unicorn of all IP’s. And what did they do. They thought they could make it better and modernize it. They cut off it's horn and painted it brown. Making it like any regular horse. And then let the horse role around in manure unsupervised. The fact that this beloved story was given to people who lack basic writing skills is incredibly infuriating. 🤦🏼♀️
The thing that bugs me most about the ring forging is the writers don't understand the basic symbolism and importance of WHY they are rings in the first place. Their justification is that they only had a little bit of magic metal. But no understanding of what a ring represents or is. I repeat: the professional writers of rings of power don't know why the lord of the rings HAS MAGIC RINGS.
There's also no magic in the magical rings. They literally just made regular rings. I guess we are supposed to just accept that the rings are magical because.... reasons.
Getting in the comments early to say PLEASE get The Little Platoon in on your concluding She-Hulk EFAP! He's been great and I'm hoping they'll keep him coming back now that RoP is done. Also, I only just noticed the Gollum "juicy sweet" reference in the subtitles at 2:09:31. ughh.
Nah. That spot will probably have Nutsa show up, they've brought her on before for she hulk stuff. I'm keen for the variation, it's the appeal of the guests on the show. Littleplatoon will surely return again, potentially where we don't expect....
You know what makes the volcano even funnier? Tolkien's Galadriel specializes in warding magic. Magic that protects. That hides. That repels evil. So there is actually an answer in the lore as to why they would survive the volcanic eruption. Galadriel casts her most powerful magic and wards off the flow, she struggles, might fail partially, but she out of all Elves might actually be able to do it. And they didn't do that. Cause Guyladriel is a warrior and not a mage. Mages are pussies!
Exactly right at 5:04:00, the showrunners saying “season 2 will be more faithful” is purely tactical. They lost a huge amount of interest, this is how they hope to regain lost ground.
They keep talking about how season 2 will be more canonical...I don't even know how or where they would start since they bastardized the source material so badly.
Look, Galadriel just wanted to ignore a village on fire and kidnap a child, lead him away from the loved ones he's wondering/worrying about, lead him right into orcs, and then groom him into a future warmonger. It's a real Elf Kween Slay moment.
9:30 Wine is more dangerous than lava in this universe. 21:30 Gandalf received his ring from Círdan the Shipwright. 1:03:00 Gil-galad is a smart boy: he knows Elrond can't keep a secret to save his life. 1:38:00 The sword-drawing shing sound effect is annoying, but at least in other films it doesn't affect the story.
When travelling with little people avoid getting an injury otherwise you’ll be left behind to die. Don’t help people during a crisis or you could end up blinded. Alloys can be good for smithing.
"The visuals were stunning!" *soy face* "Look at the reflections in the water!!!!1! Omg new favorite ship????!!!" "I liked it when Galadriel *names unhinged thing that makes no sense in the plot*"
I somehow have friends who thought it was a 'fun show' and they enjoyed the characters and story..When I pointed out to them that nothing in this is actually Tolkien save for names of characters and places..They merely responded with, 'well it's an adaptation, they have to change some things for the show'..In other words, they are blinding themselves to the truth because people just want to be in Middle Earth again even if it means sacrificing all the lore..
So I see that there aren't any, which isn't surprising because I don't know what could possibly be objectively defended about it; maybe that it looks quite nice but then again, sometimes it looks so cheap it hurts.
About Galadriel's weird tear unbalance (around 5:00:00), I actually have her same "problem." It's actually more common for me to cry out of one eye at a time (like they alternate "tear duty") unless I'm REALLY upset. If I'm watching a movie and there's a scene that hits me *right there* then the tears come down from one eye. If I'm mourning a the passing of a precious family member, it's waterworks from both faucets. Just thought I'd try to point out that crying from one eye isn't 100% unheard of. ...In ROP's case I suspect Mauler's theory that some staffer ran over between cuts with a squirt bottle is correct.
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4:04:57 Celebrimbor: Gal seems to be glaring at Halbrand as if she wants to kill him. Is there something she knows that we don’t? Elrond: No she literally does that to everyone. Celebrimbor turns to see Gal staring at him.
I think Galadriel ignoring the injured after the eruption reflects the writer's experience with the homeless in LA. The writer's job is to produce dialog and parables that move a plot which will appeal to modern audiences. There are other people to deal with the wretch having a seizure (right?).
I read an interview with the showrunners where the "is Celeborn dead" thing came up and how it would affect the canon, which we know they care nothing about and so we can completely disregard the show and lore. One of them replied very vaguely that C might be alive - a sort of "who knows". Also: I am wizard, hear me roar. Man, I can't wait for the triumphant harfoot reunion in season 5. It's gonna harken back to Star Wars: Return of the Jedi except there'll be, like, *one* tall person.
“Who do you think you’re talking to Galadriel? When you’re dull-witted Allies are on my doorstep and you think I’m in danger?!” “I AM THE DANGER YOU FOOL, I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!” -Sauron the White
I had the exact same reaction as Fringy when "SOUTHLANDS" burned away into "MORDOR" at the end of the episode: I lost it. Cracked up in maniacal laughter. Cus I thought the same thing Mauler expected... Adar is gonna lock eyes with the camera and declare "it's Mordor"... and then was impressed they didn't. There episodes of those 80s cartoons made just to sell the toys that are better written than Rings of Power. Glow-Worms. Go-Bots. Biker Mice From Mars. RoP got nothing on them.
Wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if the whole situation with deeznutz telling her husband he should be the dwarven king was the writers scalping off Macbeth
Here’s something no one mentions, the Elves make Bilbo/Frodo’s Mithril shirt, since this is the 1st discovery of Mithril according to ROP and according to ROP it only exists in this one place, the Elves are going to have to get their hands on a crap ton more Mithril, that they feel comfortable enough making it into shirts that they give away to Hobbits. How does a bunch more of it get mined and given to the Elves, since they’ve already showed the audience the Balrog? Did we just do this whole “how important Mithril is to the Elves” just to completely undo it next season, where the Dwarves are just giving it to the Elves to make shirts with? Or did the writers forget about the logic behind Frodo’s shirt and are going to create a huge plot contradiction with their Mithril back story? These are the kinds of unforeseen damages to the lore you create when you don’t give a crap about the lore and are allowed to change whatever you want to.
Isn't the stuff the hobbits use either a: used by them differently than originally intended (daggers would be used as swords) or b: originally intended for young elves? I seem to half remember the mithril shirt being made for an elvish prince? Not sure tho
@@daswasich1147 either they’re going to completely break all the established Mithril usage, or in future seasons completely go back on this whole conflict of the Dwarves giving the Elves Mithril? Are they not going to have the Balrog just not bother the Dwarves mining the Mithril for awhile, even though they already showed the Balrog to us?
It's been a long time since I read The Hobbit but I thought the mythril shirt was part of Bilbo's share of Smaug's treasure, so it would have been made by the dwarves.
Watching Rings of Power is just sad, nothing else; when you start to think and imagine how great this show could be and how much glory it could bring to the works of Tolkien... It's just depressing. Just think about that, Lord of The Rings but veeeeery long, with unlimited potential and endless stories to tell, there could be so much greatness... But we have nothing. Why can't we have good things anymore?
ESG scores created an economic incentive for something other than the goodness of the final product. Also: a lot of people are very stupid and will clap for basically anything.
All this book lore discussion in connection with this atrocity of a show finally pushed me to look into ordering the books. So I guess there's some good to Rangs of Powah?
Found this comment under a Rings of Power reaction video: "Cultures and communities contradict themselves all the time. I thought the contrast between the speech and what we see them doing was great. The Harfoots create elaborate social rituals as a veneer to make the cruel pragmatism of their actions bearable. I don't particularly like this show but I'm pretty sure this was intentional. I find that it adds interesting depth to how harfoots are portrayed." It doesn't matter how piss-poor and contradictory your writing is, someone will find a way to justify it.
I wonder what you people think nomadic people were like. Who did have to make the choice of leaving people behind if they couldn't pull their own weight anymore. Do you think they were like orcs, without joy or laughter or humanity in their lives, just constantly hateful and fearful?
@@Arphemius well we certainly know for tens of thousands of years humans have helped other humans heal when they're injured. People are important to the functioning of a tribe, so unless they're super old or mentally ill it's usually worth playing doctor.
@@doomsdaybooty1072 That depends on the situation you're in. It's not like people don't get "left behind" in our own society - if you're not worth the resources that are expended on you, especially in poorer civilizations, people will leave you to your fate. In this case, they obviously didn't have the medical know-how to deal with the injury and they couldn't afford to get slowed down on the move. It's ridiculous to consider people evil for doing what's necessary to survive.
@@Arphemius All they had to do was put him on a wagon. Done. Please don't pretend like the writers created a situation in which the harfoots had no other choice but to leave Nori's family behind. They didn't just leave them behind, they even considered purposefully sabotaging them to make sure they die. Nomadic people have to make tough decisions sometimes BUT THIS WASN'T A TOUGH DECISION. Nori's father had a broken ankle, that's it. We can say with absolute certainty that nomadic cultures don't leave a healthy member of their group behind just because he can't walk properly for a while. These absolute assholes even could've waited a few weeks longer since they still had plenty of supplies left. The writers didn't even establish why the harfoots had to leave in the first place. The area they stayed in still looked lush and full of resources. But let's say they had no other choice but to move on. Just use a few more people to pull the wagon. It's never explained why the caravan would have to move slower. They have to pull a whole bunch of heavy wagons anyway. So yes, the harfoots are evil bastards. They didn't need medical know-how to understand that his ankle will heal eventually and putting him on a card wouldn't slow them down at all. And you most certainly don't sabotage the family you just left behind to make sure they die a horrible death.
@@Arphemius I don't really care that much, but they did have wagons and many people walking carrying little. So it really looked like they could've managed to carry their injured. But ya in general I agree, being a hunter gatherer is not as idyllic as people like to imagine. But also, your tribe is far more useful to you alive, and only as a last resort would you abandon someone. I mean, that's why we evolved to 'love' our friends and family
Tolkien: "I would rather drown in a river than go back on my promise from 6 months ago that I wouldn't leave you. A promise is a promise." These guys: "Well, we won the war, the mountain's on fire, half the civilians are dead, and everyone's panicking. . . So if I _leave now_ no one will notice." I believe in death of the author but I also believe in a writer's work telling you a lot about their character.
I think what Nori was trying to tell Gandalf was, “Only you can prevent Forest Fires”. ~Smokey the Bear Or in the UK it’s a frog? Or did Mitch Hedberg lie to me?
Thanks for covering this show. I haven't watched a minute of it, at the most I got a pop-up trailer for it on the Amazon program on my phone, but I've managed to get a lot of enjoyment from the harfoot (?) jokes. and hi rags
Galadriel: "Enemy Lance, six days ago." Halbrand: "Who, what, when? I was perfectly fine for the post-battle celebration. Remember? When you and that Queen told everybody I was their long lost king? Without consulting me about said announcement? *I* got stabbed by a volcano."
The feeling of passage of time is also very reliant on your lifestyle. When I've been unemployed for a long time and had nothing productive to do, weeks could go by much quicker than I realized.
3:40:28 God. That's such a bad argument. Why do people make it unironically? "Oh it's just a [insert genre]. Why do you care?" It's like they are admitting they actually don't give a shit about the plot or the characters or even the world and they're just watching the movie/show to see moving colors and hear noises. Normal people care because it's shit. Plain and simple. People want to become invested in stories and the best way to do that is immersion. Immersion requires "realism". Just not by our world's definition. It requires realism inside the setting itself. If the logical chain of "if X is true, then Y is true" is unbroken, we can understand the characters, the world and the events forming the plot and therefore we can form an emotional bond to those things. EDIT: I wonder if it's because these people are under the false impression that feelings and logic are two polar opposites...? As if a lot of emotions couldn't be broken down to that logical chain: because we think the teddy bear looks cute, we like it. Because we like the teddy bear, we don't want it to get damaged. If the teddy bear is damaged, we may feel sad and seek to repair it at a cost to ourselves.
All the terrible geography and lack of travel time is a rotten staple of Bad Reboot writing. They did the same thing in Star Trek Into Darkness, where the Enterprise can somehow warp from Kronos to Earth in a couple minutes, and then in the next scene go from being in orbit around the Moon to falling into Earth's gravity well.
4:35:25 The "ghost form" is supposed to be their unseen form. Elves and other extremely magical and powerful beings have seen forms in the visible realm and unseen forms in the hidden realm. The hidden realm is the realm the One Ring allows you to see in to when worn. IDK what these creatures are as they were created by the show but that is what is being presented even though the writers don't know that's what it is.
The Harfoots are good example of what a society created by sheltered college children looks like. It reminds me of that joke in Rick and Morty where the "enlightened" female society of Gazorpians set up such a brutal, simple and somehow at the same time unnecessarily complicated execution device. It's one born of a great misunderstanding and a severe lack of perspective of just what sort of tribulations go into society crafting and one that could only exist inside a bubble.
Amazon certainly got us talking about their show. According to Parrot Analytics it should have made more profit than any other show. I guess the people behind Parrot Analytics are going to need a new scam...
I can’t believe I’m actually siding more with Sauron than with Galadriel, but this show really managed to pull it off. And it’s not even the fact that Sauron makes a good point; all his flowery words to explain his ambitions are just window-dressing for his desire to take control of everything Morgoth might have because, y’know, that’s what a real villain would do. No, what makes me side with Sauron is the fact that his goals are at least understandable and consistent with his character. And that’s something that just isn’t true with Galadriel. Sauron feels freed from the whims of his tyrannical master and wants to change the world into his ideal vision of perfection at the expense of the freedom of all Middle-Earth. Whereas Galadriel’s motivations are little more than “I am woman hear me roar, dead brother want vengeance REEEEEE.”
Him ruling doesn't mean it would be a horrible thing in this show. He did give up his majority of evil ways. Since we have outside knowledge we know he should be evil. In that world, he hasn't done a evil thing in years and years.
So one set of baddies in this show are three wise from the East who follow a strange star to the humble birthplace of their lord? Should I read more into that?
“Evil cannot create, only soft-reboot.” - J. R. R. Tolkien
To be fair, Professor Tolkien never said that he didn’t say that.
"Spicy words Mr. Tolkien, makes my panties quiver"
-Bilbo Baggins
“Chaos creates life” - Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg - The Fifth Element
@@darkside5452 I'm here to kill chaos
- Jack Garland
@@nodot17 who is Jack Garland? I searched for him and got nothing.
Galadriel has done a lot of horrific things during the season, but that three second clip of her walking past a burning man and offering no help sums up her entire character.
@Purple Emerald "You cannot hide. I see you. There is no life in the void. Only death."
Sauron would have at least put him down if for no other reason Than to shut him up.
Who is she kidding? She would've made a great queen with Sauron.
@Purple Emerald
Sauron watches Galadriel walk past and channels John Snow:
"She is muh queen."
Its what a man would do as we all know
You know something? Now whenever I watch Fellowship and get to the part where Galadriel almost takes the ring from Frodo, it will no longer be a sobering reminder of the temptation of the ring, that even a pure and noble elf queen could fall under its sway. Now it's her suddenly reverting to type, because this show has convinced me that Galadriel is unironically more evil than Sauron.
What show? who is this Guyladriel you speak of? Seems like someone have had a terrible dream.
@username cough cough
@username She does
She kidnaps Sauron using emotional manipulation and forces him to conquer "his" nation
She tortures people to get information, and that's beyond consistent emotional manipulation of her comrades and allies
And she uses the power of being the writer's favorite character to force everyone to do her bidding
And to top it off, she takes a man who had been actively undergoing a redemption arc before the series started, stomps on it, and makes him evil again...and that man is Sauron, making her responsible for his evil acts on top of her own
The character in the show is not the character from the books. The character in the show is actually evil
@username Galadriel dragged Sauron to the southlands and told everyone he was the new king, before telling Adar she was going to torture orcs and leave him till last so that he knew that she had slaughtered every last one of them. Sauron wanted to stay in Numenor and be a smith but Galadriel manipulated him into fighting because it suited her best
@username That was what she was in the show. IN the show they show us Sauron has given up on morgoths plan. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT INSPIRED HIM TO RETURN TO THE PLAN OF TAKING OVER THE WORLD
About the eruption sparing the named characters: There was a gag in Order Of The Stick (a long-running webcomic) where a couple mortally wounded random soldiers are talking to each other in the aftermath of a big battle. They tell each other their names right as they think they're going to die, after which they both immediately start to feel better and soon get up and walk away, eventually becoming somewhat major characters in the main plot. It's lampshading the narrative trope that a character basically gets a second health bar as soon as the audience knows their name.
One of them even keeps their surname hidden as an "ace in the hole" for later.
Wow, haven't read that name in a long time. Is OotS still going? Maybe I'll check it out again
They even marry and use Kazumi Kato's surname as the family name, instead of Daigo's, because he's still saving it for later.
@@wakerobin9215 It is, but updates are slow.
So, Galadriel, in her quest for vengeance, created the very evil she swore to destroy. And then, after having this fact revealed to her, did nothing to change it.
For fuck's sake.
And lied to Elrond about it. Morals? What morals?
I felt sorry for Sauron. Never ever expected to say that, but Guyladriel is just plain evil.
Yeah but it's VISUALLY STUNNING smh
Galadriel cucked Sauron away from redemption.
She wouldn’t shut up trying to convince the other elves to hunt him down before. They declined because she had no prove/ idea where he was. Know she does and she’s quite! You’d think she’d run back to the king and they’d gather a possey to go after him. So I guess her not looking stupid to other elves is more important than catching Saron. 🤦🏼♀️
Jackson had the perfect approach to adapting Tolkien (or any fantasy, IMO) in that he told his crew to look at it as if it was a historical account and that they were lucky enough to have artifacts to replicate and be able to shoot in the locations where these places once were.
He made action movies and changed the characters to make them fitting for his movies. In the movies many characters are reduced to saying one-liners, crying in the camera, and having action scenes.
@@reek4062He adapted the book in a way that worked as three films. There is no way to perfectly adapt LOTR into films or even TV. Not all choices Jackson made were great, and some were really dumb--like Legolas surfing down a Mumakil trunk, but he made many changes that were necessary for the format, unlike this piece of garbage that didn't even try to adapt Tolkien. Don't worry, you still have the book to get all the yellow booted prancing and naked Hobbit running you can handle.
@@Fardawgexactly. His approach was to tell the story of Tolkien as best he can, not what he wanted to tell. Unlike people nowadays in Hollywood who write stories for themselves.
@@reek4062book purists like you are cringe
@@Fardawg Jackson didn't even try to adapt Tolkien either: the omission of the Scouring of the Shire, and the butchering of the characters, are enough evidence.
In the film trilogy, Galadriel's defining trait is her piercing insight. While Celeborn greets the fellowship formally, Galadriel communicates privately with Frodo -- she goes immediately to the heart of the matter, namely the ringbearer's burden. She warns Frodo upfront of what he already suspects -- Boromir will succumb and try to take the ring. She later shows him upfront what would happen if he fails, no punches pulled, and even her own temptation by the ring is her essentially saying "let's get this over with" and just going for it -- and coming through having passed the test. Galadriel is ethereal wisdom and beauty, but her character is all about getting straight to the point, to the heart of the matter, with piercing, uncompromising insight. This show... they've got the "uncompromising" part, but seem to have missed the insight and unerring focus on what matters.
You could argue that's her arc, but I think that's giving the show way too much credit.
@@GhostLink92 If season 1 really was 50 hours and there's more seasons then they could eventually turn Galadriel to the level of a normal human being's morality
I dont know, where does screaming the word "eye" in frodo's mind fit into that? The exact line is something like "ringbearer who has seen THE EYE"
And the awesome but gentle mysticism; this Galadriel will just beat and humiliate someone until they agree to do what she wants.
Actually, Galadriel spoke into the minds of everyone there, addressing their biggest fears to them
Sauron being a bitter man denied his dreams, and scorned by Galadriel, makes me Feel Seen and properly represented.
I don't understand the grammar of this highly upvoted comment.
However I agree that it never began for Sauroncel
@@username45739 I feel a slight sense of kinship with this depiction of sauron because he was denied his dreams of grilling in Numenor, and was mistreated by that abrasive shrew, Galadriel. A mistreatment everyone in the audience got to share in.
@@Party_Almsivi Ah, "seen", ok lol
They needed someone beautiful to have a chance of pulling off that plot idea. But one drop of a criticism in an ocean of bilge water makes no difference tbh. Not a woman alive would be beautiful enough to pull that off.
"is your duty to your son or to numenor?"
If this was really based on Tolkiens work then his response would be something like
"Duty to my son is a duty to numenor"
... but no modern day Hollywood writer could handle writing men as important
The pyroclastic flow is a Lovecraftian enigma. Hot enough to set wooden buildings ablaze, powerful enough to level a town and knock everyone to the ground, but when it hits people at full force straight in the face it either leaves them with horrific burns (as expected) or gives them a light shove and an ash dusting.
Reminds me of the gas in Wonder Woman...
Sh1t will melt glass, metal and flesh, yet if you cough and/or ya just happen to be the Protag, you might stand amongst the dead, throat itching, eyes twitching, but mostly unaffected by this "deadly compound".
@@amanibob1416 oh yeah I never noticed that. With how potent that stuff is it probably takes a while to air out, and they were in the town right after it was deployed and suffered no effects.
@@calhof991
Naaah, it's dumber than that.
Guy went after the Amazonian moron and while she was being triggered by dead folks, walking amongst the corpses... He went looking for her and motha' fucka' was coughing by the time he got the hint that he wasn't exactly "equipped accordingly".
Ain't like saltwater in the nose-pipe, making ya suffer for a bit...
Made to melt *gas masks and plexiglass/reinforced glass* ...
He was coughing... For about a minute.
Kek
I'll grudgingly give wonder woman the defense she's the daughter of a god. I can-again grudgingly -accept many rules for humans don't apply to her.
@@JohnDoe-vm5rb it’s not about her, but the dozens of normal human soldiers who were standing right next to her in that town.
I can't believe how hard they Jake Skywalkered Galadriel in this show. To make her the cause of Sauron's actions in the third age by shoving him off the path of redemption... Christ.
TBF everything has been Jake Skywalkered. Arda itself has been Jake Skywalkered. Nothing walked away from this episode unfucked.
Tolkien himself Jake Skywalker'd Sam by making him push Gollum off his path to redemption.
Or, in other words, Sam rianed Gollum's ReDeMpTiOnArC
@@username45739 That's not what the term means.
Even if it is Gollum is beyond redemption. He was given the chance but the hold the Ring had over him was absolute. Him partnering with Shelob was the action that shows us he is irredeemable.
@@thorscape3879 He was starting to doubt and repent and then Sam snapped at him and Gollum thought ck it
@@username45739 Oh no! A character is challenging another character he has reason to distrust. That dubious character has been ruined by falling back in to his old habits in order to get what he wants.
37:31 The best plot-twist is if magic man turned out to be Saruman and his experience with the harfoots is what turned him to evil. It would make his vengeance on the hobbits justified.
😂
@username not really. There's one moment in the third Hobbit film where he sees the Eye of Sauron, and he has a look of being both terrified and spellbound. It's not played as him being corrupted right there, but it was an attempt to explain why he turned.
"I'M GOOD" shouts Gandalf as he disintegrates some witches into ghosts into moth-dust.
Oh how I wish we got to see everyone's live reaction to THAT one.
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"If elrond told me the sky was blue, I would fucking check!" 🤣😂 there's some real gems in this one!
It just clicked for me, it's Finn and stormtroopers all over again. They try to tease orcs are more than faceless cannon fodder for the heros to kill scores of then they forget about it because the good guys need an enemy to slaughter with no moral hang ups
Ikr, so many writers today try to include grey morality but never follow through on it. The illusion of depth.
Lord of the rings needs clones and droids.
Wait til season 3
So does Star Wars. Ever notice how light Disney SW is on aliens, clones and droids? All that money and they can’t even be bothered creating a few background aliens to flesh out a scene. It’s always just humans and humans in hoods.
And they’ll do it in the same breath that they use to yell that white people think orcs = black people when the only ones saying such ludicrous things are themselves.
@@tylerskissThe budget is being laundered into politician’s, China’s and Russia’s pockets. It doesn’t actually get spent of the shows.
That’s my suspicion.
Timestamps
0:00 Reupload Exclusive Content
2:10 We Played It
2:45 Kick On
4:53 Walk Through The Fire
19:47 Celeborn
21:54 Darkness
23:49 Hardfoots, Space & Distances
29:43 I’ll Never Tell
32:09 Dead Trees
35:20 The Prometheus School Of Running Away From Things
37:40 Elvis & The Dwarfs
47:57 Characters In The Show
54:57 Let Elvis Die
1:07:04 The Mitral & The Goo
1:11:27 Galadriel, Theo & The Orcs
1:25:10 The Blind Queen
1:28:57 Gary is in
1:30:29 Hardwoods
1:33:28 Death, Dance & Twins (It’s so dark that I can’t see anything)
1:35:48 The Sword
1:38:35 Where do we go from here?
1:40:23 EFAP Micro: Basic Storytelling
1:50:40 Elrond & The Mitral
1:58:25 A Pointless Show
2:04:38 Durin & Dwarfs
2:08:04 Hardfoods
2:09:47 The Evil Pyros
2:15:32 The Camp
2:30:25 Season 2 (1)
2:34:59 Hardguilts
2:41:40 Norry Allen & The Hardleague
2:45:10 Finding People
2:49:01 All Bran All Along
2:52:35 Old Dwarfs
2:54:19 The Baufraud
2:58:57 MoRdoR
3:04:39 The Rags 2.0 Plush
3:11:28 The Final Episode
3:11:59 Notgandalf
3:18:15 A Bad Green Screen
3:20:12 Elvis, Euro & Kellog Bin Born
3:25:59 It’s A Small World
3:27:55 Suspicious Minds
3:32:11 6 Days After
3:38:47 All Bran Meets Kellog
3:48:59 A Dying King
3:52:59 How To Save The World
3:55:36 Weird Stuff
4:00:49 Gary is out
4:01:59 Building A Crown
4:03:16 Detective Galadriel
4:05:13 Notgandalf & The Witches
4:09:56 The Hardleague vs The Witches
4:14:42 Fight Scene
4:26:29 Motivational Speech
4:30:04 Second Round
4:35:25 Defeat
4:29:21 Rest In Peace
4:41:20 On A Ship
4:46:59 Explosion
4:20:16 Who Are You / Had Enough
4:56:05 Under Your Spell
4:59:55 I’ve Got A Theory
5:03:04 Season 2 (2)
5:08:29 A Funny Conversation
5:10:09 A Cheap Shot
5:11:39 Join Me And Together We Car Rule The Galaxy
5:16:34 Sauron: What Do We Know?
5:18:37 Knowledge and Causality
5:24:02 The Three Ringos
5:29:21 Notfemfrodo, Notgandalf & Nothobbits
5:39:42 Going Through The Motions
5:43:46 Smelling
5:45:42 Melting
5:53:21 The Ringos Powar
5:55:17 The Eye, The Man & The Mountain
5:57:23 EFAP 2032
5:57:59 Final Opinions
6:01:16 Favorite Characters
6:02:09 Worst Character
6:05:46 Plans & Closing
Legend.
thank you so much!
Thanks 👍
5:57:25 CORRECTION: EFAP 2032
🙏Big ups!
"He's got lots of powers in the Lore, he can shapeshift, he can turn into Werwolves and Vampires, i don't think he's got some sort or mind-" Rags:"How many Werwolves?"
Concerning Harfoots, by Bilbus Bungelton:
"Harfoots have been living and "farming" other Harfoots across Middle Earth for many hundreds of years, quite content to ignore and be ignored by the world of the Big Folk. Middle Earth being, after all, full of strange creatures beyond count. Harfoots must seem of little importance, being neither renowned as great humanitarians, nor counted amongst the very wise.
"In fact, it has been remarked by some that Harfoots only real passion is for food. A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the crunching of bones and the stealing of wheels. But where our hearts truly lie is in pain, misery, and good tilled earth fertilized by the remains of our forebears. For all Harfoots share a love of all things that you can boil, mash and stick in a stew. And yes, no doubt to others, our ways seem quaint but today of all days, it is brought home to me it is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life."
(The author of this account was later found half eaten by Sadcock Burrows, the village elder)
"Excellent read, well done good Sir."
-Bilbo Baggins
This comment needs to be preserved in a museum somewhere
Sadcock Burrows 😂😂😂
@@daralenoach I loved that too 🤣
This sounds more like Tolkien than the entire show.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil." -Gandalf
"I'm good!" -(not)Gandalf
You deserve an ash apple 🍎.
I was about 10 when I first read the books, and was chronically ill with some mystery illness that thankfully wasn't cancer and that line really landed in a way that took me years to really unpack.
But what the fuck am I supposed to do with "I'm good"?!
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher clap and wait for next mindless product to consume?
Despite all the 'suttle' clues they gave away to imply Halbrand to be Sauron it wouldn't have been a surprise if the showrunners gave him also a line like 'I AM THE SPY!!!'
*subtle
@username Hiddel Suttlebees
Halbrand shoots an elf with an arrow, turns to the Harfoots and says, "I'M THE SAURON."
The most mind-boggling thing about this is it's gonna last 10 years...
This series?! Oh no. No. Nough.
This is gonna make me want to off myself, I can already feel it.
I can't think that far ahead. I'm scared
They hope to god the fans will get worn out and just consoom the cultural marxism. Fvck Amazog.
Please. Make the pain stop.
20:55 I think Mauler is confusing Celeborn and Círdan.
Círdan, Gil Galad and Galadriel are the original Eldair Ringbearers.
Círdan was gifted the red ring (fire) by Gil Galad but recognises Gandalf as a force for good and loans him the ring of fire whose power is to inspire resistance to tyranny. Meanwhile he waits for him at the Grey Havens.
Gil Galad is slain at Baradur and Elrond takes his blue ring (air) before he dies.
Of the three original ringbearers, only Galadriel remains with her white ring (water) that conceals things from evil that she used to protect and sustain Loth Lórien.
*Eldar
@Yul Brynner What did Galadriel's ring do?
Nenya business.
Cirdan's ring was not lent to Gandalf, it was gifted to him.
They forgot to mention that Galadriel told the scribe to say nothing to anyone about researching Halbrand. Then the same scribe walks into the room with both Galadriel and Halbrand and announces that he found something. 🤣
So, why did Halbrand take the king sigil anyway? Considering he didn't actually seem to want to be named king of the Southlands, why have the sigil of a long dead line of kings on you so that you can A)be found out because the line died 1000 years ago or B) be mistakenly identified as the long list king, when all you wanted to do was settle down and blacksmith?
"Nice name."
-Bilbo Baggins
Because he read the script and knew the sigil was only way Galdriel could find out he's Sauron
To quote Critical Drinker: “Why did Saron even take the sigil? Don’t know.”
Rags- At least orcs will stab you in the front.
He has a nack for making that definitive line of the podcast. He had it in the rise of Skywalker video "If you can do all this as a force ghost. What's the point of being alive"
Fun facts about alloy: The original word does refer to mixing a noble metal with a baser metal, hence to debase or reduce a noble metal. That was the meaning when it was used in alchemical texts. The meaning of mixing any two metals is the modern definition that arrives with modern chemistry in the 1800s.
They should have said, "One person wearing one ring might be too dangerous better to split the power between three rings and three people"
"Evil cannot create, only flush millions of dollars down the drain."
-J.R.R. Tolkien
"I feel like butter... Mashed with too many potatoes."
-Bilbo Baggins
My roommate has actually never seen the movies but was watching the show and enjoying it. He decided to watch the films because he liked the show so much. I walked in on him sleeping through the Battle of Helms Deep. While I'm disappointed in this show, know it's idiotic and heretical, and will always love and cherish the films, I now understand this show, like most properties that were a part of ""nerd culture,"" is meant for people who know nothing about them and have no desire to understand the worlds they inhabit. People who watched the LotR trilogy maybe once when it came out and think it was alright are the people this is for. Bang bang flashy splosions! Wow! Pretty lights! Show good!
Sounds like someone in your house needs to lose a few wheels.
Oneof my friends is like this he watched Shane Black's Predators abomination and it was his "favorite" predator movie ever...
Some people just enjoy flashing lights and pretty colors while they sit and drool because they're brain isn't on.
@@brandonvallier4214 if they're self-aware, it's fine. I prefer Discovery to most (not all) of Star Trek. It has more action and it feels like things with consequence happen.
I still recognise calling Discovery anything related to Star Trek is a great offense because the show could at best be described as "vaguely inspired by Star Trek". They're two completely different things and should've always been that way.
@@Wyzai I agree if they are self aware then it comes down to preference and I don't have an issue with that. I even enjoy some bad movies and games but I acknowledge they aren't the best.
Tragic waste
Gandalf didn't destroy the witches with the power of light, the sheer cringe of him shouting "I'M GOOD" just blasted them to pieces.
Damn he must be really good, then
“Tell me, where is the manager, for I much desire to speak with them.”
I can actually hear that in her voice.
“How may I help you miss?”
“There is a tempest In me! It swept me to this store for a reason, and it will not be quelled by you, manager!”
“I understand, miss. You can find Pepto-Bismol in aisle 15, at the back of the store. The restrooms are back there as well if it’s an emergency.”
26:59 Rags is onto something. I always heard that Tolkein created the languages first in his passion as a linguist and then created the world of middle earth and it’s races to fit his languages.
I still can’t believe that he mapped out everything before writing it.
Tolkien wished to build lore and tongues to use as foundation for future tales, cuz he thought his country lacked that kind of stuff.
Point is, it wasn't "done this, so might as well use it", but rather sort of the classic:
Step 1, then step 2... Put this on paper for whenever we get to step 17. Now back to step 2.9..."
Far as I've read, that's how it goes.
@@michaeljeffreyjordan4966 He didn't. It was an experimental process. There are three distinct versions of Beren and Lúthien and two versions of Túrin.
Everything had multiple drafts. It was only the languages that had forethought.
@@thorscape3879 I agree with you on the languages but Tolkiens direct quote is “I wisely started with a map and made the story fit”. Not to say his map was completely 100% correct and I realize he has another quote calling the languages the foundation, but still think his mapping was a forethought since he says as much.
@@michaeljeffreyjordan4966 I didn't realise you were using "mapped everything out first" literally.
Rings of Power is the show that proves that, no mater how much money you get to make the show you still need a good script to back it up!
It still blows my mind... according to the writers... Elendil and Isildur are alive... BEFORE Galadriel's daughter is...
The rings are meant to be made 2k years before either of them are alive! Galadriel should already be around 3-4 THOUSAND YEARS OLD.
Galadriel's daughter should be nearing 2k years old at this point, THE HELL IS THIS TIMELINE?!
... god I'm angry.
And Galadriel's daughter is to be Elrond's wife, so now both father and daughter will have wed a spouse 2500+ years their junior. Must run in the family.
Dont forget that celebrimbor is as smart as a layman and sauron in the show did help forge the 3 elven rings that he shoulndt have helped made and they were supposed to be made after the other rings!!!!
Because time to these writers isn't a line it's just constant loops...
These idiots where given the unicorn of all IP’s. And what did they do. They thought they could make it better and modernize it. They cut off it's horn and painted it brown. Making it like any regular horse. And then let the horse role around in manure unsupervised.
The fact that this beloved story was given to people who lack basic writing skills is incredibly infuriating. 🤦🏼♀️
The thing that bugs me most about the ring forging is the writers don't understand the basic symbolism and importance of WHY they are rings in the first place. Their justification is that they only had a little bit of magic metal. But no understanding of what a ring represents or is.
I repeat: the professional writers of rings of power don't know why the lord of the rings HAS MAGIC RINGS.
There's also no magic in the magical rings. They literally just made regular rings. I guess we are supposed to just accept that the rings are magical because.... reasons.
Getting in the comments early to say PLEASE get The Little Platoon in on your concluding She-Hulk EFAP! He's been great and I'm hoping they'll keep him coming back now that RoP is done.
Also, I only just noticed the Gollum "juicy sweet" reference in the subtitles at 2:09:31. ughh.
I second this motion
LittleBigPlatoon
If you truly love something. You need to know when it's time to let it go.
Nah. That spot will probably have Nutsa show up, they've brought her on before for she hulk stuff.
I'm keen for the variation, it's the appeal of the guests on the show.
Littleplatoon will surely return again, potentially where we don't expect....
@@NoPantsBaby if you love something you also know 4 (I think) appearances is far from over the line!
This means when ROP series finale airs on EFAP 1,000 Wolf returns
You know what makes the volcano even funnier? Tolkien's Galadriel specializes in warding magic. Magic that protects. That hides. That repels evil. So there is actually an answer in the lore as to why they would survive the volcanic eruption. Galadriel casts her most powerful magic and wards off the flow, she struggles, might fail partially, but she out of all Elves might actually be able to do it.
And they didn't do that. Cause Guyladriel is a warrior and not a mage. Mages are pussies!
Im pretty certain her protective magic comes from the power of her ring, rather than an innate skill she wields
@@josephjackson9679 aren't the rings of power supposed strengthen your own particular attributes anyway?
Exactly right at 5:04:00, the showrunners saying “season 2 will be more faithful” is purely tactical. They lost a huge amount of interest, this is how they hope to regain lost ground.
They keep talking about how season 2 will be more canonical...I don't even know how or where they would start since they bastardized the source material so badly.
Thanks!
I like how the CC on the Vid transcribes "Isildur" to "A Seal Door"
"Come on down to Isildur's Sealed Doors, where we know you'll give our door seals your seal of approval!" [Wink at camera]
Who needs a HODOR when you got Isildur 😅
I love Orc Supply. Saw them play live in Gondor and Rohan. Couldn't make it to their Moria Reunion show, though.
If only the people from Pompeii were as resilient to being turned into statues as Galadriel and the rest of the villagers
"Always follow your nose."
-Toucan Sam
"Always follow your toes."
-Discount hobbits
"Always steal your neighbor's wheels."
--Lenny the Harfoot of Color
Look, Galadriel just wanted to ignore a village on fire and kidnap a child, lead him away from the loved ones he's wondering/worrying about, lead him right into orcs, and then groom him into a future warmonger. It's a real Elf Kween Slay moment.
9:30 Wine is more dangerous than lava in this universe.
21:30 Gandalf received his ring from Círdan the Shipwright.
1:03:00 Gil-galad is a smart boy: he knows Elrond can't keep a secret to save his life.
1:38:00 The sword-drawing shing sound effect is annoying, but at least in other films it doesn't affect the story.
"A Mauler is never late, doggo. He streams precisely when he means to!" - Grandalfo the Ghey
So if the original author intended his story to be a commentary on the effects of war.....what the hell was I supposed to get out of RoP?
Rings of Power is a show that has no theme or central idea and because of that, it has absolutely no reason to exist.
When travelling with little people avoid getting an injury otherwise you’ll be left behind to die.
Don’t help people during a crisis or you could end up blinded.
Alloys can be good for smithing.
@@ritenac6770 also, horse cranes.
@@soulsearcher9620 I didn't understand the horse cranes. Wouldn't you just walk your horse on planks on to the ship? Isn't that what ports are for?
RoP teaches us that violence and threats always solve everything and being an asshole is a desirable trait.
Fringy laughing at the Southlands Mordor text transition sounds like the predator laugh
"Yo this shit was whack."- Hagrid
"I want to fucking kill myself."
-Harry Potter
RIP Hagrid
"I'm not patently evil" - Bilboman Goodbaggins
"Being evil is subjective."
-Bilbo Baggins
Pompeii-ites - "ouch, that's warm"
Guyladriel - "you guys should have a tempest inside you, you would've been fiiiiine"
Has there been any defense of this show that couldn't be boiled down to "I really liked it."? Because I haven't seen any.
Either that or "I really enjoyed being in middle earth again" are the two main defences I've seen.
"The visuals were stunning!"
*soy face* "Look at the reflections in the water!!!!1! Omg new favorite ship????!!!"
"I liked it when Galadriel *names unhinged thing that makes no sense in the plot*"
I somehow have friends who thought it was a 'fun show' and they enjoyed the characters and story..When I pointed out to them that nothing in this is actually Tolkien save for names of characters and places..They merely responded with, 'well it's an adaptation, they have to change some things for the show'..In other words, they are blinding themselves to the truth because people just want to be in Middle Earth again even if it means sacrificing all the lore..
So I see that there aren't any, which isn't surprising because I don't know what could possibly be objectively defended about it; maybe that it looks quite nice but then again, sometimes it looks so cheap it hurts.
Lol nope. I mean, I did enjoy some things about the show like Adar but even then it's nothing amazing.
About Galadriel's weird tear unbalance (around 5:00:00), I actually have her same "problem." It's actually more common for me to cry out of one eye at a time (like they alternate "tear duty") unless I'm REALLY upset.
If I'm watching a movie and there's a scene that hits me *right there* then the tears come down from one eye.
If I'm mourning a the passing of a precious family member, it's waterworks from both faucets.
Just thought I'd try to point out that crying from one eye isn't 100% unheard of.
...In ROP's case I suspect Mauler's theory that some staffer ran over between cuts with a squirt bottle is correct.
Every Frame a Psycho? For Rings of Power?
“How utterly proper.”
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You forgot that Durin's Bane was Durin VI and happened almost two thousand years into the third age. Of course why would they let that stop them?
4:04:57
Celebrimbor: Gal seems to be glaring at Halbrand as if she wants to kill him. Is there something she knows that we don’t?
Elrond: No she literally does that to everyone.
Celebrimbor turns to see Gal staring at him.
"Like too much shit, spread over too much ass." -Bilobongus Baegedditous.
🤣🤣🤣
Welp. That scene from Fellowship is ruined for me. Thanks 😅
The moment galadriel cant resist saurons mind probe..
but pippin could.
Good man pippin !
I think Galadriel ignoring the injured after the eruption reflects the writer's experience with the homeless in LA. The writer's job is to produce dialog and parables that move a plot which will appeal to modern audiences. There are other people to deal with the wretch having a seizure (right?).
I read an interview with the showrunners where the "is Celeborn dead" thing came up and how it would affect the canon, which we know they care nothing about and so we can completely disregard the show and lore. One of them replied very vaguely that C might be alive - a sort of "who knows".
Also: I am wizard, hear me roar.
Man, I can't wait for the triumphant harfoot reunion in season 5. It's gonna harken back to Star Wars: Return of the Jedi except there'll be, like, *one* tall person.
“Who do you think you’re talking to Galadriel? When you’re dull-witted Allies are on my doorstep and you think I’m in danger?!”
“I AM THE DANGER YOU FOOL, I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!” -Sauron the White
Say my name
“Halbrand”
You’re god dam right
You look up to me like I’m an eye on a tower
We need to start smelting
This is not fire
The "Eye of Sauron" isn't actually an eye,it's just a pizza he threw onto the roof of his tower,and it got stuck up there.
So did Gandalf turn those things into moths just because it was a reference to the scene in Fellowship where he spoke to a moth on top of Orthanc?
Yes. Which is confusing because I thought this show was supposed to be completely disconnected from the Peter Jackson movies.
I had the exact same reaction as Fringy when "SOUTHLANDS" burned away into "MORDOR" at the end of the episode:
I lost it. Cracked up in maniacal laughter.
Cus I thought the same thing Mauler expected... Adar is gonna lock eyes with the camera and declare "it's Mordor"... and then was impressed they didn't.
There episodes of those 80s cartoons made just to sell the toys that are better written than Rings of Power.
Glow-Worms. Go-Bots. Biker Mice From Mars.
RoP got nothing on them.
Wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if the whole situation with deeznutz telling her husband he should be the dwarven king was the writers scalping off Macbeth
That's what I got out of it.
Durin: "We demand a shrubbery!"
"When your friends and family members are dying... Get ready for a BBQ."
- Harfoot probably
Here’s something no one mentions, the Elves make Bilbo/Frodo’s Mithril shirt, since this is the 1st discovery of Mithril according to ROP and according to ROP it only exists in this one place, the Elves are going to have to get their hands on a crap ton more Mithril, that they feel comfortable enough making it into shirts that they give away to Hobbits.
How does a bunch more of it get mined and given to the Elves, since they’ve already showed the audience the Balrog?
Did we just do this whole “how important Mithril is to the Elves” just to completely undo it next season, where the Dwarves are just giving it to the Elves to make shirts with?
Or did the writers forget about the logic behind Frodo’s shirt and are going to create a huge plot contradiction with their Mithril back story?
These are the kinds of unforeseen damages to the lore you create when you don’t give a crap about the lore and are allowed to change whatever you want to.
Isn't the stuff the hobbits use either a: used by them differently than originally intended (daggers would be used as swords) or b: originally intended for young elves?
I seem to half remember the mithril shirt being made for an elvish prince? Not sure tho
@@daswasich1147 either they’re going to completely break all the established Mithril usage, or in future seasons completely go back on this whole conflict of the Dwarves giving the Elves Mithril?
Are they not going to have the Balrog just not bother the Dwarves mining the Mithril for awhile, even though they already showed the Balrog to us?
It's been a long time since I read The Hobbit but I thought the mythril shirt was part of Bilbo's share of Smaug's treasure, so it would have been made by the dwarves.
Rags: if he told me the sky is blue I'd fucking check
Mimir: If he tells you snow is white, he's lying!
Snow isn’t White according to Disney.
With the recent news, the horse on fire was just a premonition for shooting season 2
It's all actually make sense ツ
"Nothing can redeem you!"
Yeah that's a message Tolkien would have really agreed with. (>ლ)
Watching Rings of Power is just sad, nothing else; when you start to think and imagine how great this show could be and how much glory it could bring to the works of Tolkien... It's just depressing.
Just think about that, Lord of The Rings but veeeeery long, with unlimited potential and endless stories to tell, there could be so much greatness... But we have nothing.
Why can't we have good things anymore?
ESG scores created an economic incentive for something other than the goodness of the final product.
Also: a lot of people are very stupid and will clap for basically anything.
All this book lore discussion in connection with this atrocity of a show finally pushed me to look into ordering the books. So I guess there's some good to Rangs of Powah?
The thumbnail of this video is a gift from the gods.
Found this comment under a Rings of Power reaction video:
"Cultures and communities contradict themselves all the time. I thought the contrast between the speech and what we see them doing was great. The Harfoots create elaborate social rituals as a veneer to make the cruel pragmatism of their actions bearable. I don't particularly like this show but I'm pretty sure this was intentional. I find that it adds interesting depth to how harfoots are portrayed."
It doesn't matter how piss-poor and contradictory your writing is, someone will find a way to justify it.
I wonder what you people think nomadic people were like. Who did have to make the choice of leaving people behind if they couldn't pull their own weight anymore. Do you think they were like orcs, without joy or laughter or humanity in their lives, just constantly hateful and fearful?
@@Arphemius well we certainly know for tens of thousands of years humans have helped other humans heal when they're injured. People are important to the functioning of a tribe, so unless they're super old or mentally ill it's usually worth playing doctor.
@@doomsdaybooty1072 That depends on the situation you're in. It's not like people don't get "left behind" in our own society - if you're not worth the resources that are expended on you, especially in poorer civilizations, people will leave you to your fate.
In this case, they obviously didn't have the medical know-how to deal with the injury and they couldn't afford to get slowed down on the move. It's ridiculous to consider people evil for doing what's necessary to survive.
@@Arphemius All they had to do was put him on a wagon. Done.
Please don't pretend like the writers created a situation in which the harfoots had no other choice but to leave Nori's family behind. They didn't just leave them behind, they even considered purposefully sabotaging them to make sure they die.
Nomadic people have to make tough decisions sometimes BUT THIS WASN'T A TOUGH DECISION. Nori's father had a broken ankle, that's it. We can say with absolute certainty that nomadic cultures don't leave a healthy member of their group behind just because he can't walk properly for a while. These absolute assholes even could've waited a few weeks longer since they still had plenty of supplies left. The writers didn't even establish why the harfoots had to leave in the first place. The area they stayed in still looked lush and full of resources.
But let's say they had no other choice but to move on. Just use a few more people to pull the wagon. It's never explained why the caravan would have to move slower. They have to pull a whole bunch of heavy wagons anyway.
So yes, the harfoots are evil bastards. They didn't need medical know-how to understand that his ankle will heal eventually and putting him on a card wouldn't slow them down at all. And you most certainly don't sabotage the family you just left behind to make sure they die a horrible death.
@@Arphemius I don't really care that much, but they did have wagons and many people walking carrying little. So it really looked like they could've managed to carry their injured. But ya in general I agree, being a hunter gatherer is not as idyllic as people like to imagine. But also, your tribe is far more useful to you alive, and only as a last resort would you abandon someone. I mean, that's why we evolved to 'love' our friends and family
If this show lasts until 2032 then we definitely live in the darkest timeline.
Tolkien: "I would rather drown in a river than go back on my promise from 6 months ago that I wouldn't leave you. A promise is a promise."
These guys: "Well, we won the war, the mountain's on fire, half the civilians are dead, and everyone's panicking. . . So if I _leave now_ no one will notice."
I believe in death of the author but I also believe in a writer's work telling you a lot about their character.
I think what Nori was trying to tell Gandalf was, “Only you can prevent Forest Fires”.
~Smokey the Bear
Or in the UK it’s a frog?
Or did Mitch Hedberg lie to me?
I COULD NOT believe how they revealed Mordor, that is insane. It's so much worse than I ever could have imagine
Thanks for covering this show. I haven't watched a minute of it, at the most I got a pop-up trailer for it on the Amazon program on my phone, but I've managed to get a lot of enjoyment from the harfoot (?) jokes.
and hi rags
2:52:00 I am a medic, Disparu. Yes, six days (and possibly nights) bouncing on a horse will open wounds badly (or not at all) healed.
5:02:38 "I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do..." - Giladriel
What I’d give for a slow episode of the Harfoots making dried apples, ciders, and preserves as we learn more about them.
Galadriel: "Enemy Lance, six days ago."
Halbrand: "Who, what, when? I was perfectly fine for the post-battle celebration. Remember? When you and that Queen told everybody I was their long lost king? Without consulting me about said announcement? *I* got stabbed by a volcano."
The feeling of passage of time is also very reliant on your lifestyle. When I've been unemployed for a long time and had nothing productive to do, weeks could go by much quicker than I realized.
3:40:28 God. That's such a bad argument. Why do people make it unironically?
"Oh it's just a [insert genre]. Why do you care?" It's like they are admitting they actually don't give a shit about the plot or the characters or even the world and they're just watching the movie/show to see moving colors and hear noises.
Normal people care because it's shit. Plain and simple. People want to become invested in stories and the best way to do that is immersion. Immersion requires "realism". Just not by our world's definition. It requires realism inside the setting itself. If the logical chain of "if X is true, then Y is true" is unbroken, we can understand the characters, the world and the events forming the plot and therefore we can form an emotional bond to those things.
EDIT: I wonder if it's because these people are under the false impression that feelings and logic are two polar opposites...? As if a lot of emotions couldn't be broken down to that logical chain: because we think the teddy bear looks cute, we like it. Because we like the teddy bear, we don't want it to get damaged. If the teddy bear is damaged, we may feel sad and seek to repair it at a cost to ourselves.
All the terrible geography and lack of travel time is a rotten staple of Bad Reboot writing. They did the same thing in Star Trek Into Darkness, where the Enterprise can somehow warp from Kronos to Earth in a couple minutes, and then in the next scene go from being in orbit around the Moon to falling into Earth's gravity well.
4:35:25
The "ghost form" is supposed to be their unseen form. Elves and other extremely magical and powerful beings have seen forms in the visible realm and unseen forms in the hidden realm. The hidden realm is the realm the One Ring allows you to see in to when worn.
IDK what these creatures are as they were created by the show but that is what is being presented even though the writers don't know that's what it is.
One does not simply let the audience infer Mordor. 🤣
The Harfoots are good example of what a society created by sheltered college children looks like. It reminds me of that joke in Rick and Morty where the "enlightened" female society of Gazorpians set up such a brutal, simple and somehow at the same time unnecessarily complicated execution device. It's one born of a great misunderstanding and a severe lack of perspective of just what sort of tribulations go into society crafting and one that could only exist inside a bubble.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the money that's been given to us..."
-Jeff the Bezos
Amazon certainly got us talking about their show. According to Parrot Analytics it should have made more profit than any other show. I guess the people behind Parrot Analytics are going to need a new scam...
3:41:20 _Discussing Celebrimbor_ .....
Gary: "Well I call him Granma"
Rags: _ears perk up_ "Grandma?"
Oh....oh no.
Rags'sss'ss is gonna ruin Celebrimbor now! 😟
Harfoots being like fainting goats is a better idea than anything that actually appeared in the show.
5:46:35 I like the part where Celebrimbor holds his hand inches above a broiling pot of molten metal for a good twelve seconds.
I can’t believe I’m actually siding more with Sauron than with Galadriel, but this show really managed to pull it off. And it’s not even the fact that Sauron makes a good point; all his flowery words to explain his ambitions are just window-dressing for his desire to take control of everything Morgoth might have because, y’know, that’s what a real villain would do. No, what makes me side with Sauron is the fact that his goals are at least understandable and consistent with his character. And that’s something that just isn’t true with Galadriel. Sauron feels freed from the whims of his tyrannical master and wants to change the world into his ideal vision of perfection at the expense of the freedom of all Middle-Earth. Whereas Galadriel’s motivations are little more than “I am woman hear me roar, dead brother want vengeance REEEEEE.”
Him ruling doesn't mean it would be a horrible thing in this show. He did give up his majority of evil ways. Since we have outside knowledge we know he should be evil. In that world, he hasn't done a evil thing in years and years.
So one set of baddies in this show are three wise from the East who follow a strange star to the humble birthplace of their lord?
Should I read more into that?
I don't put it past anyone in Hollywood not to take any opportunity to spit on Christianity
Galadriel has just dry eye from the Cheeto Volcano Dust