I came here b/c I finally give every care in the world I have to count fast moves but now since the update from the beginning of the Max Out season, I highly urge you or another content creator to go over move counts again since we had a major flip on the meta. 🙏🏻
A tip for counting 1 turn fast moves is to count your own fast move instead. If you're throwing mud shots against a Regi, you know that 1 mud shot = 2 lock ons. (Stolen from Battle Bill) Also, you touched on this briefly, but I absolutely use my own charge moves to tell when my opponent is at a move, especially in limited cups. For example, in the electric cup, I know that an enemy lanturn with water gun gets to a surf right as my Dedenne gets to a play rough. This is somewhat less effective in open metas, but in these niche cups, it really helps me.
Maybe you could consider poki daxi. I didn’t have high hopes for him hitting expert and legend for the first time this current season but his hard work and dedication paid off. He could offer a fresh take considering this was his first legend
I recently got into pvp and counting and i found a good way to count moves (of the same turn, like mudshot vs counter) is through your own fast moves. Like if you know you have to do 8 counter for psychic you also know where your opponent is on energy. This might not be ideal for late game but it works fine for me so far. Also the 1 turn moves you can count through your fast moves as well, where 1 counter (2turn) = 2 dragon breaths (1turn) so if you go to 6 counters you know the db user is at 12.
From a bad or average at best PvP player, with a little experience, I "count" helping with my own pokemons. After a few tries, I see for instance in a Medicham vs a Swampert (or any other relevant pokemon) when they'll throw according do how energy I have. Is it when I reach half, almost my Ice Punch, etc. And I learn by experience then. Since I don't PvP often, I tend to forget, but that's another question. That tends to explain maybe the "feeling" that you have said to have. I think, that my next step would be to actually count the moves and move optimization (2T vs 3T etc.), but I don't want to invest too much energy/time in that. Maybe a video later on each step of a PvP player to help know what's the next step that could improve their play, ie from "noob to pro" guide: - Random Teams - Baits - Balanced teams & attacks - Starting having the feeling on counts for energy - Optimize when to charge move (2T vs 3T) etc... Find your own level, and check what's your next improvement goal, with the idea of having a good team and keep it to help the user know its team (how it works, as you said in a previous video) is a good advice.
Some players over charge so you don't know which charge move is coming. Also, some switch out with energy so they can come back and fire a charge move right away. Already, that's a lot to keep track of for beginners, and were barely scratching the surface. Types, weaknesses, safe swaps, that's why I struggle even getting to level 20.
So I mostly run mons with 2T fast moves and how I count is against my moves. So if I'm leading a Mantine and facing a Typhlosion knowing that reaches Thunder punch after 2 incinerates which is 10 turns, i just convert that in terms of my fast move count. So I know he reaches Thunder punch when I'm reaching my first Aerial ace. I have the higher chance to lose CMP, so I switch after 4 fast moves as it gives up only 2 turns of free energy. Or sometimes I stay, use a shield and go for water pulse and then switch.
That whyyy, i used to just open 3 windows of pvpoke on my computer and a sheet i write with the typing of my mons and its charge moves to know what its superffective, whats resisted , etc,( just restarted playing for 4 months now), and see the more efficient moves the pokemon usually haves, the turns to get to it and i used to get so mad because i was sure i was counting and they got to a second or third move sooner than they should, thanks a lot, now i will get this graphic on the screen too c:
I was planing to stop pokemon go and imagine today i met you in a fight i made a battle with my best youtuber ever you was playing with swampert cresselia and nidoqueen, my team was pidgeot cresselia swampert i`m so happy i can leave in peace now
Yo dan I have a question hopefully you can help or someone. So lets say you and your opponent get to a charged move at the same time and it come down to tie. They throw their move and I selected to throw mines. After they are finished with their charged move its my turn and the game go directly into my charged move without a choice while going into mines my opponent swapped Pokemon and the move is thrown on their switch. Why does that happen? Doesn’t seem logical to me why your able to throw a move and switch even though you had a tie on charged move.
The other way to learn moves is when you think Azu is 6,6,6 to play rough and you lose a game because you thought you had one more turn to through your return. Won't happen again.
Thanks for this video! Could you please make one on how to recognize the opponents fast moves by animations? I mean there are some obvious ones like Incinerate or Lock on, but I use to struggle recognizing them at first sight. My method is to watch the damage it makes on my Pokémon but I know that's not the best solution.
Can someone explain to me why swampert i just faught had hydro cannon like seven times in a short game and never had much screen time and my game crashed as soon as the match ended when i lost ? Am i crazy or is this a cheater? I have faught swampert alot and never got that messed up? Every mon i had got hit once or twice with it and the last sec without charging he had another hydro cannon. Does anyone know if people are disguising strong mons behind they're cheat programs? My app literally disappeared when he won and had to be reloaded?? Does this happen to anyone else? It doesn't do that often maybe 7 times in 3 months but thtas gotta be a cheat to crash your game after cheating you? Im serious i need info on the subject because i need help identifying cheaters so i can report them appropriately
You have a family. No better reason or explanation for not counting. Plus, there are problems in Go Battle League when you count "Vun, vun fast attack, two, two fast attacks, Bwah, hah, hah"
I do what i call "The Rule of 10" Ive noticed most meta Pokemon can reach a charge move within 10 turns. So if youre trying to count, and aren't quite sure of when to catch. 10 turns us usually a safe bet.
And this is a big part of the problem with GBL: you have to know the most common move sets of 100 mon and the counts for 200 moves. This is why ELO must be eliminated in favor of win based rankings.
I can't even remember what my opponents first Pokémon was most of the time. I gotta remember how much energy it has too?!
Same lol
Same with me, but I know that if I want to be a better battler, I should learn to remember the opposing pokemon and its energy as well.
Yeah, and the battles seem so much faster too. I can’t think much less count when I’m under that much pressure
Good im not onlyone 🤣
I struggle to remember the first pokemon sometimes. But sometimes I can remember.
Is there a way to level up myself so my brain can remember easier?
I came here b/c I finally give every care in the world I have to count fast moves but now since the update from the beginning of the Max Out season, I highly urge you or another content creator to go over move counts again since we had a major flip on the meta. 🙏🏻
A tip for counting 1 turn fast moves is to count your own fast move instead.
If you're throwing mud shots against a Regi, you know that 1 mud shot = 2 lock ons.
(Stolen from Battle Bill)
Also, you touched on this briefly, but I absolutely use my own charge moves to tell when my opponent is at a move, especially in limited cups.
For example, in the electric cup, I know that an enemy lanturn with water gun gets to a surf right as my Dedenne gets to a play rough. This is somewhat less effective in open metas, but in these niche cups, it really helps me.
I concur. This is a great teaching channel Dan.
Maybe you could consider poki daxi. I didn’t have high hopes for him hitting expert and legend for the first time this current season but his hard work and dedication paid off. He could offer a fresh take considering this was his first legend
Yeah he would definitely be one of the people I consider
I recently got into pvp and counting and i found a good way to count moves (of the same turn, like mudshot vs counter) is through your own fast moves. Like if you know you have to do 8 counter for psychic you also know where your opponent is on energy. This might not be ideal for late game but it works fine for me so far. Also the 1 turn moves you can count through your fast moves as well, where 1 counter (2turn) = 2 dragon breaths (1turn) so if you go to 6 counters you know the db user is at 12.
Where is the link to the graphics?
From a bad or average at best PvP player, with a little experience, I "count" helping with my own pokemons. After a few tries, I see for instance in a Medicham vs a Swampert (or any other relevant pokemon) when they'll throw according do how energy I have. Is it when I reach half, almost my Ice Punch, etc. And I learn by experience then. Since I don't PvP often, I tend to forget, but that's another question. That tends to explain maybe the "feeling" that you have said to have.
I think, that my next step would be to actually count the moves and move optimization (2T vs 3T etc.), but I don't want to invest too much energy/time in that.
Maybe a video later on each step of a PvP player to help know what's the next step that could improve their play, ie from "noob to pro" guide:
- Random Teams
- Baits
- Balanced teams & attacks
- Starting having the feeling on counts for energy
- Optimize when to charge move (2T vs 3T)
etc...
Find your own level, and check what's your next improvement goal, with the idea of having a good team and keep it to help the user know its team (how it works, as you said in a previous video) is a good advice.
Some players over charge so you don't know which charge move is coming. Also, some switch out with energy so they can come back and fire a charge move right away. Already, that's a lot to keep track of for beginners, and were barely scratching the surface. Types, weaknesses, safe swaps, that's why I struggle even getting to level 20.
Fantastic explanations Dan thanks so much! Currently close to 2200 trying to push to 2500! Love your videos!
So I mostly run mons with 2T fast moves and how I count is against my moves. So if I'm leading a Mantine and facing a Typhlosion knowing that reaches Thunder punch after 2 incinerates which is 10 turns, i just convert that in terms of my fast move count. So I know he reaches Thunder punch when I'm reaching my first Aerial ace. I have the higher chance to lose CMP, so I switch after 4 fast moves as it gives up only 2 turns of free energy. Or sometimes I stay, use a shield and go for water pulse and then switch.
That whyyy, i used to just open 3 windows of pvpoke on my computer and a sheet i write with the typing of my mons and its charge moves to know what its superffective, whats resisted , etc,( just restarted playing for 4 months now), and see the more efficient moves the pokemon usually haves, the turns to get to it and i used to get so mad because i was sure i was counting and they got to a second or third move sooner than they should, thanks a lot, now i will get this graphic on the screen too c:
your pvp content are the best among all pvp youtubers
I was planing to stop pokemon go and imagine today i met you in a fight i made a battle with my best youtuber ever you was playing with swampert cresselia and nidoqueen, my team was pidgeot cresselia swampert i`m so happy i can leave in peace now
Ha GG.
Yo dan I have a question hopefully you can help or someone. So lets say you and your opponent get to a charged move at the same time and it come down to tie. They throw their move and I selected to throw mines. After they are finished with their charged move its my turn and the game go directly into my charged move without a choice while going into mines my opponent swapped Pokemon and the move is thrown on their switch. Why does that happen? Doesn’t seem logical to me why your able to throw a move and switch even though you had a tie on charged move.
Solid video, Dan. It's not easy an easy skill to master, but this elevates your game 100%. By the way, how are those hoverboard lessons going? 😅
First time I took GBL seriously and hit legend for the very first time. Never been happier.
congrats
Congrats, putting in the work and getting rewarded
Please link creator of the infographics.
The other way to learn moves is when you think Azu is 6,6,6 to play rough and you lose a game because you thought you had one more turn to through your return.
Won't happen again.
Learning through experience is the best way
Hi Dan what’s the website for the moves guide? Thank you.
I use pvpoke
@@DanOttawaPOGO sorry Dan, I mean the graphic moves guide.
Hello, on my Twitter's account :)
Dan my question is how do you tell what fast move they are running?
There is animation
Can you drop a link to that website with all the charge moves, please
Where did you get those move count graphics??
Wow, I've never seen one of these move count infographics!
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Thanks for this video! Could you please make one on how to recognize the opponents fast moves by animations? I mean there are some obvious ones like Incinerate or Lock on, but I use to struggle recognizing them at first sight. My method is to watch the damage it makes on my Pokémon but I know that's not the best solution.
Comment for the algorithm, but thanks for the lesson Dan
2 turn vs 3 turn moves: 4-3 is [usually] the way to be
Ain't nobody got time for that is the truth 😄
Can someone explain to me why swampert i just faught had hydro cannon like seven times in a short game and never had much screen time and my game crashed as soon as the match ended when i lost ? Am i crazy or is this a cheater? I have faught swampert alot and never got that messed up? Every mon i had got hit once or twice with it and the last sec without charging he had another hydro cannon. Does anyone know if people are disguising strong mons behind they're cheat programs? My app literally disappeared when he won and had to be reloaded?? Does this happen to anyone else? It doesn't do that often maybe 7 times in 3 months but thtas gotta be a cheat to crash your game after cheating you? Im serious i need info on the subject because i need help identifying cheaters so i can report them appropriately
You have a family. No better reason or explanation for not counting.
Plus, there are problems in Go Battle League when you count "Vun, vun fast attack, two, two fast attacks, Bwah, hah, hah"
Great video, thanks for share the infographics 😅
That astonish comment 😅
where / how can i find this graphics myself?
You can search the person's name on twitter
I just go on pvpoke and click "show stats" to see the move counts, for each pokemon
I can't believe I'm so bad at this. Math was my favorite & best subject in school. Just not fast math
Is it easier to count moves or cards in the 6 deck shute?? 🤔 😂
You kind of danced around saying this directly, but one way to learn the counts is to actually use those pokemons
I could use a training partner
Hello sir I want battle with you please 🥺🥺🥺
Woop woop
Can you do a video on how to fool the algorithm? Would be nice to win a lead once in a while...
I should do an algorithm video
@@DanOttawaPOGO Please not one where you pretend it's not real...
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Hey
Stab is 20% in pogo, 50% in the mainline games
I do what i call
"The Rule of 10"
Ive noticed most meta Pokemon can reach a charge move within 10 turns. So if youre trying to count, and aren't quite sure of when to catch. 10 turns us usually a safe bet.
And this is a big part of the problem with GBL: you have to know the most common move sets of 100 mon and the counts for 200 moves. This is why ELO must be eliminated in favor of win based rankings.
This is too theoretical. You need to show this in practice. I don’t even see what a move is on the battlefield.