Lead Free Bullets For Hunting - Bulls, Bullets and Ballistics with NOSLER
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2023
- Randy and Mike discuss the non-lead offerings and why hunters should select non-lead ammo.
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Norma has a new non-lead bullet made of tin, they are lighter and faster than lead and they have rapid expansion/ fragmentation like a ballistic tip. It’s called Evostrike. My daughter shoots a .308 which in her shorter barreled gun has quite a drop at 300 yards. This new bullet is 139 grains and goes almost 3000 fps at the muzzle. Sighted in dead on at 200 it drops 8 inches at 300 keeping it the kill zone of a deer or Pronghorn, especially if you hold a few inches high. She smoked a Pronghorn with it last week and you could have put a baseball in the exit wound, it worked great!
I still use an Accubond in my 300 WM, but I have switched to copper projectiles for all of my other rifles. The terminal performance is great.
My 7Rum shoots 1/2 moa with 160 Accubonds. I can't switch now.
Great video! Great bullets if used properly and not so good if they are not used properly! Love them for elk and larger game!
Another consideration. Was the barrel cleaned of all copper fouling? Different brands of bullets may have various copper jacketing alloys. Clean ALL of the copper fouling, shoot some fouling shots with the new make of bullet, THEN begin testing to see how your barrel likes/dislikes that bullet.
I'm in the midwest. Always inside 100 yards. Lead often fragments. Copper makes a big hole right through. I'm all in.
Thanks for the video. Great info
I’ve shot nothing but copper for over a decade with exceptional performance and accuracy in both .270 and 30 nosler… terminal performance has been excellent. This being said all my animals are killed within 300 yards most around 180. Both Barnes TTSX in 270 and nosler E tips in 30 nosler. I’ve also seeing the x-rays of two dozen deer shot with a variety of lead ammunition and the wide diaspora of lead fragments with vital shots was rather disturbing.
I like the E-tip in my .300 RUM. Only issue is I can't find them on the shelves.
That seems to be the theme with a lot of Nosler bullets unfortunately.
I've only shot Etips in a 270 Win. Best I could get was a 1" three shot group from a full custom build with a Krieger barrel, proven to shoot BVLDs in the .2s. I sold that 270 recently. I still had the ammo. Took it out last weekend and fired it from a pre-owned Tikka factory rifle 270 I bought about 6 weeks ago. Shot the same - 1" three shot group. It will work for where I hunt but I get ABs and Btips much smaller groups
I’ve shot multiple sub 0.5in groups in a cheap savage axis II in 308 with Barnes 130gr TTSX and 137gr Hammer Hunter both over Varget with just guessing on a seating depth. I can’t speak to the E-tip, but I’ve had better success with copper bullets than I’ve had with lead, with the caveat that I’ve spent more time on load development with copper.
@@Snailz5 I put quite a few deer down last season with a Factory Tikka T3x LH in 308 with the 130 TTSX over a full case of TAC. If I recall correctly, velocity around 3100 to 3200. I'd have to check my notes. I wasn't overly impressed with that rifle with several handloads and a few factory loads, wasn't meeting the MOA guarantee by Tikka. Now it has a Brux barrel and an AG Composite stock, still in 308.
@@derekmcmurry well good thing about tikka if they make a good platform for customization. The 130 TTSX for me shot 0.4-0.7 in at 100 with 48.5gr of Varget and COL of 2.845-2.850. I’ve only had TAC outperform Varget in 110gr and 125gr bullets. 130 and up, my gun prefers Varget. For some reason I keep trying CFE 223 only to be disappointed over and over. The speed is enticing, but my gun just doesn’t shoot any load consistently with the stuff.
Yea, I was looking at that CFE223 also purely for velocity. Then I reflected on the old saying, don't make a cartridge something it is not. I have 8 pounds of Varget on hand for a good reason, along with 8 pounds of TAC and another 8 pounds of IMR4064, and finally about 5 pounds of Re15 - all for 308 Win. Oh, and some 4895 also@@Snailz5
re heavy or light for caliber: lead bullets generally shed a lot of weight as soon as they impact/penetrate. all-copper bullets generally only shed as much weight as they are designed to (so 95-99% retention), so almost immediately after impact, the lead core bullet doesn't weight any more than the light-for-caliber copper bullet.
Have used E tips in my 300 WM and they were good... right now I would be happy to find any Nosler bullets or large rifle primers.
I can’t speak to the E-tip, but I’ve had several cooper bullets be quite accurate out of a cheap 308 without extensive load development. I haven’t spent as much time developing lead loads, but I haven’t shot a single group that would crack the top 5 of either of the two copper bullets my gun likes best so far.
In my experience monolithic bullets are great but velocity and target dependent. In my 308 I shot a big boar hog and it was phenomenal. Same gun, same stand, same distance, only difference being a southern white tail buck. Absolutely no blood and no recovery. I’ve found that it needs speed, especially if it’s a lightweight target like our smaller bodied deer.
I've shot copper bullets from multiple manufacturers and they all shot very well,but they have all given me terrible performance. California mandates we shoot non lead bullets and losing game has become the norm. I shoot animals in the head now because it's the only shot I am confident will be immediately fatal.
Copper bullets have great penetration...too good in my opinion as they punch a hole through but waste a ton of energy that would be better served in the animal.
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I find that they perform best on tougher critters and/or shoulder shots. They _need_ that resistance and added force to help dump energy and help open up.
@@soonerfrac4611 would definitely agree with that.... If you need to bust through bone and heavy hide they are awesome.
Velocity most certainly matters with copper bullets and terminal performance. I do struggle a bit with factory ammo accuracy in copper compared to lead core bullets, but that usually means 1.5 moa vs. moa or better. Doesn’t matter much for me as my farthest shots are 300 yards.
Agreed, they do their best at the top end of the velocity spectrum. For them to have a 30cal work at 308win velocity and 300 Weatherby it’s probably not going to work at the bottom end. Just like cup and core bullets rarely work well at the top end of the spectrum. I’ll probably never use them in my 308 again for deer. But I’d use them in a fast 6.5 or smaller, or a magnum when used for deer. Did fine on a large hog, I’m sure it’d do fine in an elk or something with a dense bone structure.
Interesting that you say you wouldn’t use them in 308 for deer. I haven’t done it yet but I’ve been thinking a 130 or 150 copper in 308 should be fine out to 300 yards? I’ve been using the 127LRX in 6.5 creedmoor on pronghorn and have been pleased.
I had a bad experience with an all copper projectile on deer, was a heavier 168gr from a 16” AR10. Did fine on a very large hog, about 275-300lbs. So it gave me confidence that it would work. However, during deer season I shot 2 southern Oklahoma deer (read that as significantly smaller than that hog) at the same time from the same stand at the same distance. Neither one dropped a bit of blood or was even found. Buck jumped and acted like a heart shot but absolutely nothing was found. Shots were all around 45-55yds.
Same gun, same size deer, and using cup and core bullets from 150-178 has dropped deer like crazy from 33yds all the way to 400.
If I ever start reloading and decide or am required to use non-lead ammunition it will be with a 130gr copper/gilding metal as in my experience these projectiles do best when driven as fast as possible, or when shot through tougher materials like a shoulder blade or denser critters. The 127 in your 6.5 is a speedy boy compared to that 168 from a stubby 30hate.
I appreciate you sharing your experiences, and I agree with the points you made. The 6.5 is a 20” barrel running about 2600 mv, so definitely not a speed demon ;) I’ve heard stories like yours about no blood and pencil holes, but I can’t say I have ever had that experience. I’ve used GMXs, TSXs, TTSXs, and LRXs in 223, 6.5cm, 270win, 270wsm, and 30-06 for 12 years now on big game, including wt deer, mule deer, pronghorn, and elk. I’ve also taken a javelina with 300 blk and barnes tactx. My preference for shot placement is behind the shoulder, but I do not hesitate on traditionally less ideal shoulder angles; as you mentioned, hitting structure is a place these bullets excel.
I don't want to be legislated into a forced change but I do use them whenever I can. The availability has always been a problem for me but the performance has always been good.
I have been using mono metal bullets for many years, slowly switching each of my rifles as my traditional bullets stocks have ran out.
Only complaint is that they are lighter.
Performance has always been great.
Barnes says to go down a weight class when switching to mono metal, i.e. if you use traditional lead core 180 grain bullets in a .30 caliber rifle to drop down to 165 grain lead free bullet. I'm not sure why that is though lol
@@kren1101 primary reason is lead is lighter, so those bullets are the same length and will perform similarly on target. If you try to put a 180 grain copper in most 30 cal rifles it won’t be stable do to how much longer it is then a 180 grain lead core.
@@kren1101Copper/solids generally need a minimum velocity to expand properly for terminal performance, which translates to a certain range depending on caliber and load info. It’s a fair trade to go lighter with a copper bullet since it retains all (99%+) of its weight, whereas a lead based bullet loses a significant amount of mass. A lighter copper bullet will penetrate deeper than a heavier lead bullet (within reason).
@@ryanlorenz561 does that translate into wasted energy on a grain for grain equivalent of all copper vs lead? But yes, I understand the minimum velocity thing. In my 6.5CM, I shoot the 127 Barnes LRX, and a meager 2550 fps. If I did my math right, it drops below minimum expansion velocity at about 400 yards. I generally want my shots to be sub-300 though
@@kren1101 Thats a good question. My understanding is with equal weight copper and lead bullets and the same velocity, copper would retain more energy since it retains its mass and the bullet isn’t being upset part way through the animal to the degree a lead core will. I never shoot beyond 300 yards either so the minimum velocity isn’t a factor for me. I prefer copper knowing there aren’t bits and pieces in the meat I’m eating.
It seems hunting in the last few years focuses more and more on long range to very long range shots, I think its time to put stalking skills back into the hunt, and copper will work just fine.
Great for bigger game like moose and elk but in my opinion to heavy duty for deer and smaller.
I bet the deer won’t be able to tell the difference
Ive shot deer with barnes tsx and muzzleloader x bullets and they are hammers. I havw allegiance to barnes but i would trust a nosler too.
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Nosler is to expensive and hard to find. I went with another copper bullet that was affordable and performs exceptionally well
This is the e tip bullet not the ballistic tip. They both have green tips. Dont make the mistake I did.
Hammer bullets says it’s absolutely true, and it’s due to obturation. You can oversize lead core bullets so they get a good fit on a wider range of barrels as they are more malleable, monolithic bullets don’t have that benefit so they need to be sized differently. Fine for higher end rifles or the newer cartridges with match grade tolerances like the creedmore and prc lines, not so great for older rifles that have larger variance from rifle to rifle.
Good news is if the standard size doesn’t work in your old rifle hammer bullets does offer over and under sized projectiles so you can get that desired performance out of grandpas old rifle.
I like you and you channel with Muzzle Loader we need weight .ML don't have the speed
Depends on the regs in your area, you can get plenty of speed if you are allowed to shoot sabots
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I'll keep my lead bullets thank you very much
Hey Randy you slip a few in your pocket ? lol
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My 300 win doesnt eat copper. It would not zero tighter than a paper plate At a hundred yards. It shoots the nozzler acubond 180 grain LR like poison. Another thing we are also competing against the electric auto industry. For the copper, who do you think they're gonna give the copper to first? That's why there isn't any on the shelves.
I have yet see factory ammunition with copper bullet shoot worth a darn. Well over 1 moa and this includes 6.5CM, 28Nosler, .243, all 1:8 twist and a .30-06 with a 1:12 twist.
Until they start selling rifles in 1:7 twist, copper is going to suck.
I have tested several bullets and at this time, they are just not worth using. If they were so great, you would see top world class shooters using them and they aren't!!! That excludes solids with big caliber (375 on up) competitions (cause there is not much choice. BCs are not listed at this time with most all copper bullet manufacturers. Because the weight must be much lighter for most standard cartridges, their long range ability is very limited. I guess if you shoot animals where a thrown rock would have worked, they work pretty good.😂
If you get close enough it wont matter
Copper bullets are accurate and have great penetration...too good in my opinion as they punch a hole through but waste a ton of energy that would be better served in the animal.
That’s not how terminal performance works, energy doesn’t kill hemorrhaging does and velocity creates better hemorrhaging. It’s not like this is new data, between bullet manufacturers and governments testing on live animals at slaughter houses there is a ton of data on the topic for those who wish to dig into it. Adequate energy to successfully penetrate is essential, but maintaining velocity that causes the tissue to expand past its elasticity causing hemorrhaging far outside the permanent cavity will bleed the animal out faster.
@@jaydunbar7538 so all things being equal....velocity and bullet weight, wouldn't the one that dissipates all of its energy in the animal have better killing power than the one that punches a whole clean through?
@@Randy_Savage_ohyeah Animals don't die by energy. The only way an animal dies by energy is if it is electrocuted. Animals die by tissue damage and subsequent blood loss. If an animal has a bullet proof vest on and the bullet struck the vest - so hard so that the animal staggered back. Did he or didn't he just feel all the bullets so called "energy"? Yes. Why is it still fine and alive then? No tissue damage and loss of blood. You ALWAYS want an exit with a bullet. That way you know you've done as much tissue damage in that one bullet's flight path that you can ask of that one bullet. For a bullet to go in and stop half way, you've only done 50% of the tissue damage that bullet could have done because of only coming contact with 50% the animal's tissue in the past of that bullet that could have been damaged.
accuracy issues with lead-free bullets: before lamenting the "waste of money" on a box of copper, clean the lead and gilding metal fouling from prior ammo out of the barrel and try again. (e.g., ruclips.net/video/ULVKvt1MCpg/видео.html&pp=ygULYmFja2ZpcmUgdHY%3D)
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They are crap and have seen more wounded animals. Many don’t expand. We have to use them in CA and it’s a big mistake.
Pretty much shots gotta be perfect or they run off and die. Has happened to way too many people
Lead-free, yes. Solid copper, no.
I would love to use solid bullets but whenever I find them in a caliber and weight I want they are much more expensive than none solid bullets. I'm not a rich man so you can guess my choice.
I’ve shot nothing but copper for over a decade with exceptional performance and accuracy in both .270 and 30 nosler… terminal performance has been excellent. This being said all my animals are killed within 300 yards most around 180. Both Barnes TTSX in 270 and nosler E tips in 30 nosler. I’ve also seeing the x-rays of two dozen deer shot with a variety of lead ammunition and the wide diaspora of lead fragments with vital shots was rather disturbing.