4th quarter of the Rose Bowl answers all questions about how JJ responds to pressure and adversity. He was a maestro on the drive that tied the game back up.
I agree somewhat. His ability to throw on the run is already in the elite category. Being able to hit your receiver in stride is literally game changing in the NFL and the Vikings have *great* receivers. But his special skill is yet to be known. I really think after we have some nfl tape on JJ that he’s going to be incredible.
As a Patriots fan I was so happy that people viewed him as a second round pick cuz I was hoping to get Marvin Harrison Jr and then McCarthy at 34, but now it looks like they either have to take him at 3:00 or maybe move down to six with the Giants and let the Giants take May or Daniels, and then take McCarthy at number 6 and maybe use that extra first round draft pick they got for trading back to bring Higgins in from Cincinnati
@@josephcurreri9289 Giants need WR! If the Vikings make a very good trade offer, why not. Next team behind 1-2-3 that needs desperate a QB is Denver on 12. So Pick 11 could work for J.J.
I have as well and I am so tired of trying to point things out to them. Folks get stuck on he only threw the ball xx, Harbaugh didn't trust him. Because Michigan was so good, his pass attempts were so low in the 4th quarter(35 or so).
I honestly think Minnesota is the perfect landing spot for him. Sit behind Darnold for half a season to get acclimated and then take over a great offensive system with elite weapons once he’s up to speed. He won’t have to do much and get focus on what he does best: make few mistakes, convert on 3rd down
I would laugh like crazy for the good if J.J. Helped Vikings win the Super Bowl! Then see what will all these J.J. Haters would have to say! J.J. Is good my favorite Michigan player of all time! He will be coached on where he is weak! He is willing to learn and give his best always! He is 21 still developing! Wait to see what J.J. Has to offer!
imo special skill could be the same ballpark as a burrow. Burrows special skill to me is his intangibles. work ethic, preparation, winning pedigree, clutch
Stop with the intangibles and work ethic every college qb unless they are out of this world good like manziel and Vince young were has to have work ethic. You didn’t have to make rain for drafting Burrow all you had to do was turn on the tape and see that’s a baller that’s s winner. Turn on TCU and you see a very limited mccarthy.
dude's an exceptional athlete, ex hockey player. All I look at is his advanced stats and he's at or near the top of every single category, this is where the rubber meets the road. Good enough for me. Two of these guys will be good NFL QB's and I think Mccarthy will be one of them.
I really don't see the "athletic limitations" in conjunction with his sacks or W/e Josh was talkin about. JJ has a WAY better Pressure/Sack rate than Caleb, Drake and Jayden(by a mile) and even better than Kyler, Lawrence, Hurts, Herbert, and Young. The kid can play the pro-style offense, with-in structure, and avoid sacks better than the top 3 guys you'd consider "better playmakers" than him, and he's a better playmaker than the year 6 polished guys that can play a bit better in structure like Penix/Nix
It’s skin color scouting. He is white and was a “game manger” therefore he must be slow and have a weak arm… Never mind his 99th percentile throw velocity and 99th percentile 3 cone drill.
@@John-cw2dy Like I said, Pro-Style & within the structure of his offense. Through his 1st 2 full seasons as a starter he had more attempts than Jayden, more yards per attempt than Drake, and higher completion % & Pass rate than either in that time too.
I have heard that Tom Brady was working with 2 Quarterbacks in college from one of my friends who follows Tom. 1 was Shedeur Sanders out of Colorado,,,,the other was the Quarterback from his alma mater JJ McCarthy. It really shows too the way that both tend to process the game. McCarthy plays a little faster than Brady IMHO which may work against him actually as Brady's methodical ball control really helped New England maintain it's defense superiority. However, if McCarthy can utilize the run as effective as Brady and learn to control the tempo similarly, you are looking at a pair of Brady Proteges that could further Brady's legacy in the NFL. I do have to laugh at the people that over analyze what is completely oblivious on film. The same mudder fuggers claiming these " Red flags" for McCarthy also claim that Caleb Williams is the best QB in the draft! I am not impressed with Maye or Williams and like Daniels , Nix and McCarthy better than either of those 2. Caleb Williams fans are Bryce Young fans and Drake Maye fans are Carson Wenz fans. Not horrible QBs , but I wouldn't waste a #1 pick on any QB really if I had that many wholes. Caleb Williams is a project QB and Maye just looks like a backup for a few years. Chicago should have just run with Justin Fields and Traded back and tried to land Marvin Harrison Jr, or Malik Nabers and Joe Alt. They could have rebuilt that whole Oline this draft , added a run game , and turned that team around. Now they will rebuild around a similar Quarterback with even less experience. I kinda want to see McCarthy end up with the Patriots. I think I would like that.
He does have good fundamentals, strong work ethic, strong arm, good mobility excellent former QB as HC, who always coaches in the NFL. He’s a ball of clay you may to mold. It will just interesting trying to gain the experience he should have had in college but in the NFL. Anthony Richardson is in this mix as well.!
@@John-cw2dy what’s your point? JJ will have similar trajectory to Ponder? They said the same about Rodgers as well. Ponder stats vs JJ’s stats were much different
@@ref233 my point is that those characteristics don’t make up for a lack of production on tape. It’s hard to project success in the NFL without the tape that demonstrates the ability to carry a team when called on to do so. He demonstrated he could be a good game manager, but that doesn’t compare well with the big play potential of the other Quarterback in our division-not to mention in the league. My hope is that the Vikings can build a team akin to the 49ers and the ceiling for McCarthy is Purdy. Otherwise the Vikings are looking at another half decade of mediocrity.
@@John-cw2dy Purdy is a phenomenal QB, top-10 in the league and not a game manager. Niners win because of him. You’re saying JJ didn’t exhibit the characteristics of leading a team but who in this draft class has? Caleb, Daniels, Nix, Penix, Maye? Historically 50% of 1st round QBs will bust. 6 of them were taken in the 1st round. Who are your 3 busts? Mine are Caleb, Daniels and Penix.
J.J. DOES have standout skill(s). He's very accurate (under pressure) and makes excellent decisions (also under pressure). He doesn't throw as well as Burrow at present, or even Caleb, in terms of ease and velocity on all throws. But he can make all the throws. He'll get a little stronger the way Brady did. He warrants being drafted high. His first year will be ok. His 2nd will be much better. Eventually I think he'll be a top 5 NFL QB at some point.
JJ is evidence of how subjective this process is. Every part of his game you can find scout or draft analyst that will criticize it and one who will praise it. They're talking about arm talent here. I just saw one that was worried he didn't have a strong enough arm to be productive in the NFL. Arm, Accuracy, Vision, athleticism....No only is there no consensus on the player, there's no consensus on any single part of his game or skill set.
Hes only 21 the youngest QB in the top 5. He hasn’t been playing 5-6 years like Daniels, Penix, Nix. Look at where those QBs were when they were 21. He has a ton of upside and room to grow a lot as a QB.
Even crazier than comp than Hayden made, when I watched this QB class, I thought Caleb was like Kyler Murray physically, but with a bit of Johnny Manziel Arsonist Firefighter vibe, where his hype and praise comes from him solving the problems he created from refusing to play on time & in structure. Drake Maye reminds me of a more mobile Sam Darnold, maybe a blend of Darnold and Daniel Jones, and Jayden is RG3, if RG3 needed a 5th year and a transfer to break out. JJ is the only one of the top QBs that reminded me of an elite NFL QB, and my even crazier comp, is Aaron Rodgers, except JJ is better at avoiding Sacks than Rodgers or Burrow and he's Way younger than either coming out.
People keep talking about the Penn State game how Michigan ran ball 32 times Reason why number one JJ had a leg injury and also they were having problems protecting him in the pocket Michigan offense tackles were getting kill by Penn State defense ends. That's why they ran the ball so many times Sherome decided if they were going to win they had to run the ball they beat them in the past by doing that.
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This guy is literally saying he's never seen JJ McCarthy make comeback in the fourth quarter when they need it and they're playing highlights of the semifinal game against Alabama when he came back from 7 points down😂 Ok
Most people who talk QBs don’t appreciate the nuances of the position the importance of making the right decisions .making the right reads . Besides in the case of big time throws sometimes especially in a close game you only need to make one big time throws to change a game . Besides most people who judge big time throws usually a very arbitrary definition . For example maybe a big time is situational based such as it is a minute left and you need to get the first down to seal the game and you hit the wide receiver on a post curl for 10-15 yards to seal the game that’s a big time throw . But that same play in the second Quarter isn’t a big time throw . Or it’s A td pass to the back corner of the end zone over the shoulder . 3rd goal from the 11
Jj can be a mvp candidate. He’ll be one of the most athletic in the league. I don’t see how people don’t think he big enough. Compared to Daniel’s he’s 20 pounds heavier.
my biggest issue with the idea of shannahan disciples wanting someone like jj mccarthy so high is that this tree has proven again and again that you don't need to spend top 5 draft capital to find them in the draft. purdy was mr irrelevant. cousins was a 4th rounder. jimmy g was a 2nd. what is the ROI on spending so much on a qb that seems to be not that hard to find? if we're going with the narrative that these coaches just want someone who can execute their scheme, we're not really looking at a game changer
You want someone who can execute the scheme reliably, but to get that extra level you need someone who can go beyond that. That's what JJ is. He has an extra dimension of playmaking that he can bring out when the play just doesn't work as designed that those other guys don't do. You just don't see it nearly as much as with some others in the class because he only brings it out when the play doesn't work within structure, and he's so good at making the play work within structure. Combine that with the lower volume of dropbacks and you just don't have a lot of times when making one of those kinds of plays was called for.
He will have 10x better receivers with the Vikings than he had in college, I think will be really good. Now we just have to see if he can develop into a Joe Burrow or is he more Kirk 'disappear in big games' Cousins. I really think he is at minimum a better version of Kirk. I think his upside Joe Burrow/Joe Montana
@@makefootballviolentagain5258 Not many ever reach their peak ability. He is likely just going to be a more athletic Kirk, but that would still be an improvement for the Vikings.
Maybe it'll come up later but he didn't throw a ton because they had the best O-line and the best RBs and a coach that loves to run. I can't remember the exact #s but if you take the Buttguys, Penn St, Bama and Washington, they had like 45 3rd and 2 or more and they threw it 37 times with JJ. It wasn't a trust thing. Watch him throwing from the pocket and running to either side and the athletic traits he has. Also TWO QBs have thrown harder than him in the combine Josh Allen and Joe Milton threw 62mph, he threw 61. Harbaugh is smarter than you about QBs. Remember that. HE WILL BE THE BEST QB IN THIS DRAFT!
I don't think he is worth a top 5 pick personally but I'd say that 10-15 range would be better. I know the Vikings are interested in him and they also gained that extra pick but I think they could probably just stay at 11 and take him instead of using that pick to move up higher
@@laflamablanca-kh4xvIf I am the Vikings I let them pay the price to move up and get McCarthy and just take Penix’s or Nix at 11. They can be just as good as him if not even better.
Harbaugh is looking to get a haul for that 5th pick he started all this McCarthy hype. People are talking about the Vikings giving up 3 firsts to move from 11 to 5. That is ridiculous for a QB with that small of a sample size
The two 1st rounders and maybe a 5th or 6th rounder is more than enough for the Chargers to move back 6 spots. Anything more and I would tell Harbaugh to eat it
It all depends where he goes like any of the top six. 21 or 24 doesn't matter as QBs can play to 36 without a stretch. Do they have an Oline do they have a defense. This is for any QB in this class. They can all play. 21 means he can still grow and refine his game. If he gets a year or two to back up, MaCarthy could be the real deal
I just don't understand the JJ hype. Getting 1st rd QBs right is a low hit rate, even lower when you are talking about college production as limited as JJs. I understand the demand for QBs drives up the price but I'd rather wait for Penix and Bo Nix later in the 1st. He just feels like a more athletic AJ McCarron when you look at stats and both coming from stellar teams. At least AJ went in the 5th rd.
AJ McCarron with more athletic ability and a better arm is intriguing tho, that’s why there’s hype. A highly successful game manager with athletic upside and good arm talent, plus the ability to play and excel out of structure. & he’s the youngest QB out of all the top guys, so a lot more room for growth.
The host of this show is explaining it. Did you listen.? Plus, It's the intangibles J.J. was born with, high IQ, leader, winner, confident, willpower, work ethic, unselfish, unflappable, and loves football.
@@glennpelton4887I forgot where intangibles make you a top 5 draft pick. You are only proving my point on this ridiculous hype train. I'm not saying he won't be good in the NFL, but I'm not drafting a guy in the top 10 who doesn't have a prolific college season or has some type of raw athletic abilities. Neither of which JJ has. Josh said it best when he stated nothing 'wows' him. Hayden comparing him to Joe Burrow then saying he won't be elite like Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes...those guys weren't even drafted in the top 10, but JJ should be a top 5 pick based on potential. Please.
i disagree w/the "either in or out" - you can have a 2nd rd grade on a guy and acknowledge the toxic NFL QB situation and that you'd have to take him earlier
Did you guys miss the TCU game in 2022. When after he threw two pick sixes J.J. balled out and brought his team back from a 19-point deficit of 41-22. if not for a controversial call by the refs on the Roman Wison touchdown catch Michigan possibly wins the game. Final score was 51-45. And this was a more raw J.J. before he got a new QB coach who corrected his mechanics before the 2023 season.
Yeah I remember the TCU game he sucked and is the reason they lost. It’s no wonder Hardbaugh didn’t let him do anything the next year. Garbage time, anyone can look good when the other team knows they’re winning it and is playing prevent
@@JJ-zr6fu Wrong! That game showed what he is about. He brought them back from 19 points down. That's a warrior. He didn't go sulk in the corner. He shook that shit off and balled out. You do know that the new QB coach (kirk Campbell) developed his mechanics on the pick six throws and J threw that same pass all year without an int. The plan at Michigan was to win the natty not showcase J.J. Having a dynamic QB who could make plays was all Har needed with the team Michigan had. And that's what happened. It was a masterclass in winning. Here's the recipe: Run the ball to eat clock, keep your defense fresh, wear down the opposing defense, keep the opposing offense off the field, and reduce the risk of injuring your dynamic QB and the starters, which was a concern during the year because they couldn't win it without J.J. They needed him healthy for the big games. He wound up getting injured anyway but toughed it out from PSU to Bama. The run game was so, so due to teams stacking 8 in the box much of the season. That's where your dynamic QB comes in and moves the chains on third and long. Which he did all year (10 yards per comp). You got fooled by the big runs in the big games which was due to the jumbo packages used to free up the backs. Michigan was saving that shit for PSU, OSU, etc. They had it all planned out back in the summer. Brillian! Blake Corum's first of only three 100-yard games was at Penn State, which was game 10. Donovan Edwards only had one (Washington). Being conservative is the Michigan way. Use to drive me crazy, especially when they needed to open it up. Lloyd Carr didn't turn Brady lose until the Orange Bowl against Bama. Brady's last game. Great game by the way. He didn't turn Chad Henne loose until his last game coaching against Urban Meyer and Florida. Great game by the way. J.J. had more pass attempts at Michigan than Harbaugh and Brady. Passing leader Chad Henne had 9,715 passing yards in 4 years. That's an average of 2,428.75 per season. That's always been the Michigan way. You do know Harbaugh is going to do the same thing with Herbert. The LA Chargers are going to build the same team. Jim is run first, second and third. He would have used every QB in the draft the same way and why not when you have a complete team. It would have been stupid to showcase J.J. when you didn't need too. Glad, I was able to school you on Michigan football.
I was about to mention that. You wanna see how well he can play tempo, there's a great example! He was a gunslinger all game long and even with the loss, a lot of our fans knew right there we were gonna win it all with 144
I think this is one of those recency bias that ends up happening in Football were one expert seemingly switch the narrative on a player so dramatically everyone usually falls in line because in reality the draft is an endless series of variables with no sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think McCarthy is good and has excellent character, but he needed to put superman cape on a lot more to convince me is even a Top-10 guy. Further, the argument of "well it's not there because his team didn't need him to be Superman and look at these 20 isolated plays when the defense sold out on the run" isn't convincing either. Guys, he was a starting QB at major program I expect him to be capable of some nice throws. We can't heap praise on Caleb for being Superman than say a kid on a much better blue chip stocked team didn't need to show it and that he is a Top-5 lock. When we look back at this after reality plays out, like it always does... I mean Bryce Young was year ago guys!? Shit.
Michigan wasn't a better blue chip team though. They had 3 5 star recruits on a national championship team. What really had was a great coaching staff that built the team around both lines and controlling the ball. That removes the need, when properly executed, for Superman.
Bryce plays in Carolina without any real offense, HC fired, etc. if Stroud went to Carolina everyone would have said “oh he’s a bust” but I do agree on McCarthy how tf is he getting praised, for something that any other QB this draft would get hated for
@@user-hg4hz1lx2h I suppose to clarify in terms of the Byrce Young comparison I was referring to pushing a guy who isn't a day one guy into the fire and allowing their confidence to get crushed which is a reason I'm almost happy the Jets traded for Rodgers because they surely would have drafted McCarthy. When you draft Top 5 or even Top 10 those are guys you almost always confident can be day one (or at the very least Year One) needle movers, that isn't McCarthy, and honestly, I don't think it's right to expect him to live up to a pair of first-round picks (if the Vikings are the movers). BTW, if you watched (in case you didn't) the preseason Texan games it's a minor miracle they and Stroud were able to put together because it was an ugly start. Stroud was getting the David Carr treatment in those games.
McCarthy would not have come out if he didn’t have info that he would be a top 10 pick. The NFL guys were very high on him going back to the previous year. All the “experts” were way behind regarding what value he possessed in terms nfl ranking.
My counters this “pro style offense” is that again, there’s nothing NFL style about run, run, 3rd and deep, run, run, TD. I’m not seeing it, the absence of evidence for me. The NFL is gun heavy
Look, idk how to rank players like a pro, but I think he’s gonna be good based on his throwing motion. I thought the same about CJ Stroud last season. We’ll see..
I like McCarthy, he has a lot of great traits that should translate to the next level. That said, he's a really risky prospect. I think bottom of the top 12 is probably where he should go, but needs might well push him up to #7 or #8 in a trade up.
McCarthy’s greatest asset is what his coaches and promoters talk about first-his likability as a person and charisma. They never start with his production. The projections are based largely on the fact that many media members want to see a kid like this succeed. But the fact is there’s not enough tape on him to project success in the NFL. Yet the kid has got to be one of the luckiest Quarterbacks in terms of the teams he plays for-NFL, college and high school? Kid has been unbelievably privileged in that way.
Guy on the right definitely understands JJ better than the other dude. He’s much better than people give him credit for. Whoever gets him will be very happy in a couple years
Bennett, From, Jake Coker, AJ McCaron all had similar seasons as JJ McCarthy. Why were they drafted very late? Either teams are very desperate for QBs or McCarthy being a 5 star recruit from IMG and figuring that pedigree will translate when he gets volume in the NFL.
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Jj is better than drake may 100%. May is not athletic. Jj runs a 4.4 40. He runs a pro style offense. May is an interception machine. Daniel’s will be crippled in a year or two. And Williams throws a playground style of football.
@@joesmith3542Maye is too stupid to lead an NFL team to any kind of sustained success. He was remarkably awful vs UVA, GT, Clemson twice and NC ST. Guy looked helpless any time he played decent teams
Good college QB but how does he get drafted in the first round when he wasn't a volume passer at all in college. If this guy goes top 10 why doesn't stetson bennet go first round
Everyone seems to have flushed this game out of memory but mccarthy has to win a game for Michigan against TCU and he’s the reason they lost. Is it no wonder why they didn’t let him throw the ball last year after TCU.
My Patriots had pretty good success once, being led by a Michigan QB….I say, let’s give it another shot. Would still be tempted to take Jayden Daniels, if still available at number 3, but would want the safer McCarthy, over Drake Maye.
@@ref233 JJ played in pro like system throwing more bubble screens in college don’t make u polished and ain’t like all of Teddy college experience lead him to be a profile pro QB. Will see if I’m wrong and who’s better
On his best reps he looks like Drew Brees and on his worst he looks like Mac Jones. But I'm starting to understand it, even if I wouldn't pay the premium to trade up for him.
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JJ LEAD THE COMEBACK DOWN 7 VS BAMA!!! WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!! if you haven't watched Michigan games just say you're talking out you ass for 22 minutes!
Because you know very little about QB evaluation, it’s really simple though. If Penix or Nix were really good QBs they would not be in this draft class. They would have been drafted years ago.
Half of the highlights shown here, there wasn't a person within 5yds of the WR. Some of the shorter throws were actually kind of bad. This guy is a complete grenade. But most are to be fair.
JJ missed some really bad throws against Washington. I don’t think Washington had a great defense and this was his last collegiate game. Didn’t impress me and he should have returned for another season. I don’t think he’s ready unless he gets excellent coaching and sits for up to and exceeding one season.
The only things scaring people about Penix is the injury history, and how he crumbled under pressure against a pro style defense of the Wolverines. On the flip side, we don't know how McCarthy will fair in a 4th quarter pressure situation as he never really faced that adversity. His one loss, his team got blown out by half time.
Complete different style of qbs and offenses they played in. Both of their success will be very much attributed to scheme fit at the next level. McCarthy needs to go to a Shanahan/McVay style offense while Penix needs to go to an offense with a majority of the throws outside the numbers. Penix might seem like the better qb as well as being better statistically but hard to say McCarthy wouldn’t be on the same level if he had 3 more years of development like Penix.
@@wesleyrimnah man Penix is a baller. I’m a big JJ guy too but penix is a beast too. He had IU ranked in the top 12, that accomplishment alone is HOF worthy
@@whydoihavetodothis44Bo Nix had 26 TD’s and 2 INT throwing beyond 10 yards this season. That’s more TD’s than JJ had all season. Also more INT’s. Nix can throw downfield just fine, way more accurate than JJ, just wasn’t asked to do it that often at Oregon. And threw way more passes.
@@KFBALL247 Nix was also 4 years older throwing in a weak defensive conference. Would not be putting up those stats playing against teams like Alabama.
This is where rates and averages are misleading. I would rather raw numbers sometimes. I could say someone is 100% accurate if they are 1 for 1 passing.
I feel the same way about JJ as I felt about Mac Jones in 2021, and I felt good about Mac going to the Patriots. Mac did have a good rookie year and then everything just fell apart, so I have my reservations about JJ.
Mac Jones is a third round talented quarterback with no tools and Robert Kraft forced Bill belichick to draft him because they were desperate. Mac Jones had a weak arm, JJ has a great arm. Mac Jones was not mobile and could not run, JJ has impeccable footwork and is very good at running and throwing on the run. Mac Jones was a bad leader and couldn't handle adversity, JJ McCarthy may be one of the best leaders in the draft, Mac Jones had a week arm, JJ McCarthy has one of the strongest arms in the draft. Mac Jones had a stud filled offense in Alabama which made him look better than he was, JD McCarthy has an average to blow average offense with the exception of Blake, he's going to be drafted to a team that is going to be equally offensive talented as Michigan Mac went from an extremely talented offense in Alabama to a mediocre subpar offense in New England.
@@josephcurreri9289 It’s easy to shit on Mac now with everything Patriots falling apart from the coaches down to the players, yet he threw for 3800 yards and 92.5 rating which was better than everybody else in his draft class by a country mile, and he didn’t have a good offensive roster around him either. If JJ put up those numbers on the Vikings with Jefferson, Addison, and Hockenson, everybody would call that a major success. Again it’s easy to shit on Mac now but I bet you weren’t calling him out especially his leadership after his rookie season.
He's elderly, has glass knees, no mobility, hasn't run a pro-style offense, had the best OL in college football and 3 WR's that will end up first round picks..
@@makefootballviolentagain5258Polk and mcmillian are not first round picks. He’s a perfectly reasonable age QBs play until they are 40 now, he ran a 4.55 40 time which is good for QBs, and his deep ball is money. I don’t get the Penix hate after the masterful offense he lead this year at Washington
I would say they are just different. But I’m with you in thinking that Penix could be even better than McCarthy in the NFL. Differences are this: McCarthy 1.) good at play action and taking his eyes off defense and then back on (not a Penix thing) 2.) Good at throwing on the move (Penix more of a pocket passer). 3.) Good at avoiding pressure and making off-schedule plays (throwing and running). 4.) Stays pretty good with his feet and can drive the ball well 5.) Makes big time throws when under pressure and in big time situations. Penix- 1.) Great in the pocket. Slides pretty well to avoid pressure and make throws. 2.). Uncanny accuracy and anticipation on his throws. 3.). Has great touch (McCarthy not so much) and is ridiculous throwing downfield. 4.). Was the absolute go to guy on his team to make plays for his offense. 5.)Can run pretty well, but doesn’t do it very often and doesn’t throw on the run. Here is the tale of the tape. Penix hasn’t shown that he is very adept at throwing on the run or off-schedule plays. McCarthy has. McCarthy was never asked to be the focus of his offense, and throw the ball 40 times a game. Penix has. Penix did not do very much play-action, under center drops, or turning his head away from defense and back. McCarthy has. McCarthy has not shown consistent accuracy or touch, especially when throwing outside the numbers. Penix has. Penix has shown to not be consistent with his feet when throwing and avoiding pressure (though he still seems accurate when his feet are off), McCarthy is better with his feet and squaring up on his throws. Though McCarthy has displayed some great throws downfield, his anticipation and ability to “throw his receivers open” is nothing in comparison to Penix (McCarthy’s guys were much more open thanks to their running threat). Penix has had more significant injuries, perhaps because he doesn’t avoid pressure quite as well as McCarthy (or perhaps because he was playing for Indiana; much less problems with injury when at Washington). Both of them could be better at taking the short throws at times and not trying to push the ball down the field all the time (even though I like that about both of them), and thus might throw even less interceptions (like Bo Nix). And for anyone who thinks Penix was a product of having great WRs at Washington, just go and watch him at Indiana. His Michigan game is a good one to watch. Also go and check those Washington WRs stats prior to Penix’s arrival. He was just as good at Indiana as Washington. He is very good. But him and McCarthy are very different.
Taking him in the top 5 would be nuts. So many limitations. Not a good processor at all. Very few throws are on target. Efficiency drops off a cliff throwing to the left. “On throws of 10 or more air yards and outside the numbers over his career, comparing his throws to the right and left are pretty drastic: McCarthy's completion percentage drops from 56.2% to 42.6%, his quarterback efficiency goes from a 205.4 to 144.2, his dropback success rate from a 56.2% to a pedestrian 42.6%, and his first downs per attempt from 53.4% to 39.7%.” Good luck to whoever drafts him. I think it’s going to be a train wreck.
4th quarter of the Rose Bowl answers all questions about how JJ responds to pressure and adversity. He was a maestro on the drive that tied the game back up.
I get the idea here, his 3rd down #s are sick. Vikings will put him in much worse spots and I'm interested in seeing how he responds
@@joesmith3542 J.J. being ultra-competitive is all in for the challenge.
I would say JJ's special skill is his ability to throw on the run.
He is good throwing on the run-but that’s not what the talking heads talk about first.
I agree somewhat. His ability to throw on the run is already in the elite category. Being able to hit your receiver in stride is literally game changing in the NFL and the Vikings have *great* receivers. But his special skill is yet to be known. I really think after we have some nfl tape on JJ that he’s going to be incredible.
Dude on the left obviously didn't see his 360 jump pass 😂😂😂😂
@@NickyTesla you must not of seen his 140 passing yard game average in the championship
So he’s somewhere between Johnny Manzel & Patrick Mahones?
Y'all forgot hes a young kid yet he has time to master everything!! JJ is going to be one of the greatest watch and see!
Dude was way overhyped. The least talented of any of the QB's drafted in the first.
Nothing wrong with hope-even if it’s false hope?
Young Tom Brady! We’re hyped in Minny!
They didn't forget that.
That would be wonderful. Doesn’t hurt to hope.
Burrow was an older college player coming out too, it's nice Mccarthy is only 20 or 21, has a lot of time to grow
Hope he becomes a Viking.
Your hope came true bro! SKOL GANG!
i was on the JJ train, long befor the combine. i think he will be a very good NFL QB.
Met him lastnight.. he’s a stud.. and he’s in the right mind.. I wish him the best
As a Patriots fan I was so happy that people viewed him as a second round pick cuz I was hoping to get Marvin Harrison Jr and then McCarthy at 34, but now it looks like they either have to take him at 3:00 or maybe move down to six with the Giants and let the Giants take May or Daniels, and then take McCarthy at number 6 and maybe use that extra first round draft pick they got for trading back to bring Higgins in from Cincinnati
@@josephcurreri9289 Giants need WR! If the Vikings make a very good trade offer, why not. Next team behind 1-2-3 that needs desperate a QB is Denver on 12. So Pick 11 could work for J.J.
I have as well and I am so tired of trying to point things out to them. Folks get stuck on he only threw the ball xx, Harbaugh didn't trust him. Because Michigan was so good, his pass attempts were so low in the 4th quarter(35 or so).
@@DennisLivezey i dont think Harbaugh didnt trust him, the team and the run game were so good, that he didnt had to throw much. but he can!
I honestly think Minnesota is the perfect landing spot for him. Sit behind Darnold for half a season to get acclimated and then take over a great offensive system with elite weapons once he’s up to speed. He won’t have to do much and get focus on what he does best: make few mistakes, convert on 3rd down
I agree.
JJ 〽️cNatty is the real deal...
With advanced scouting.
If a pretty smile is what matters most to you.
@@John-cw2dy
He’s the most cerebral QB. He has the best decision making skills. He’s money in crunch time.
I hope he wins a Super Bowl. I want him to be one of the consensus top QBs in the league.
I would laugh like crazy for the good if J.J. Helped Vikings win the Super Bowl! Then see what will all these J.J. Haters would have to say! J.J. Is good my favorite Michigan player of all time! He will be coached on where he is weak! He is willing to learn and give his best always! He is 21 still developing! Wait to see what J.J. Has to offer!
Best qb in draft
You must’ve a Bears fan.
McCarthy Moments > McCarthy Time
imo special skill could be the same ballpark as a burrow. Burrows special skill to me is his intangibles. work ethic, preparation, winning pedigree, clutch
He's more athletic than Burrow too.
Stop with the intangibles and work ethic every college qb unless they are out of this world good like manziel and Vince young were has to have work ethic. You didn’t have to make rain for drafting Burrow all you had to do was turn on the tape and see that’s a baller that’s s winner. Turn on TCU and you see a very limited mccarthy.
dude's an exceptional athlete, ex hockey player. All I look at is his advanced stats and he's at or near the top of every single category, this is where the rubber meets the road. Good enough for me. Two of these guys will be good NFL QB's and I think Mccarthy will be one of them.
We did it.
I really don't see the "athletic limitations" in conjunction with his sacks or W/e Josh was talkin about. JJ has a WAY better Pressure/Sack rate than Caleb, Drake and Jayden(by a mile) and even better than Kyler, Lawrence, Hurts, Herbert, and Young.
The kid can play the pro-style offense, with-in structure, and avoid sacks better than the top 3 guys you'd consider "better playmakers" than him, and he's a better playmaker than the year 6 polished guys that can play a bit better in structure like Penix/Nix
It’s skin color scouting. He is white and was a “game manger” therefore he must be slow and have a weak arm…
Never mind his 99th percentile throw velocity and 99th percentile 3 cone drill.
It’s kind of hard sacking a QB when all he does is hand the ball off.
@@John-cw2dy Like I said, Pro-Style & within the structure of his offense. Through his 1st 2 full seasons as a starter he had more attempts than Jayden, more yards per attempt than Drake, and higher completion % & Pass rate than either in that time too.
"Lack of athleticism", He was like 6th overall in 3 cone and that is every position group. These guys are not dialed in.
I have heard that Tom Brady was working with 2 Quarterbacks in college from one of my friends who follows Tom. 1 was Shedeur Sanders out of Colorado,,,,the other was the Quarterback from his alma mater JJ McCarthy. It really shows too the way that both tend to process the game. McCarthy plays a little faster than Brady IMHO which may work against him actually as Brady's methodical ball control really helped New England maintain it's defense superiority. However, if McCarthy can utilize the run as effective as Brady and learn to control the tempo similarly, you are looking at a pair of Brady
Proteges that could further Brady's legacy in the NFL.
I do have to laugh at the people that over analyze what is completely oblivious on film. The same mudder fuggers claiming these " Red flags" for McCarthy also claim that Caleb Williams is the best QB in the draft! I am not impressed with Maye or Williams and like Daniels , Nix and McCarthy better than either of those 2. Caleb Williams fans are Bryce Young fans and Drake Maye fans are Carson Wenz fans. Not horrible QBs , but I wouldn't waste a #1 pick on any QB really if I had that many wholes. Caleb Williams is a project QB and Maye just looks like a backup for a few years. Chicago should have just run with Justin Fields and Traded back and tried to land Marvin Harrison Jr, or Malik Nabers and Joe Alt. They could have rebuilt that whole Oline this draft , added a run game , and turned that team around. Now they will rebuild around a similar Quarterback with even less experience.
I kinda want to see McCarthy end up with the Patriots. I think I would like that.
ive been waiting for this one
The Roman Wilson disrespect
He does have good fundamentals, strong work ethic, strong arm, good mobility excellent former QB as HC, who always coaches in the NFL. He’s a ball of clay you may to mold. It will just interesting trying to gain the experience he should have had in college but in the NFL. Anthony Richardson is in this mix as well.!
That’s exactly what they said about Ponder.
@@John-cw2dy what’s your point?
JJ will have similar trajectory to Ponder?
They said the same about Rodgers as well.
Ponder stats vs JJ’s stats were much different
@@ref233 my point is that those characteristics don’t make up for a lack of production on tape. It’s hard to project success in the NFL without the tape that demonstrates the ability to carry a team when called on to do so. He demonstrated he could be a good game manager, but that doesn’t compare well with the big play potential of the other Quarterback in our division-not to mention in the league. My hope is that the Vikings can build a team akin to the 49ers and the ceiling for McCarthy is Purdy. Otherwise the Vikings are looking at another half decade of mediocrity.
@@John-cw2dy Purdy is a phenomenal QB, top-10 in the league and not a game manager. Niners win because of him. You’re saying JJ didn’t exhibit the characteristics of leading a team but who in this draft class has?
Caleb, Daniels, Nix, Penix, Maye?
Historically 50% of 1st round QBs will bust.
6 of them were taken in the 1st round.
Who are your 3 busts?
Mine are Caleb, Daniels and Penix.
@@ref233 Kirk was arguably a top ten QB. See what that got us without the 49er-like team?
J.J. DOES have standout skill(s). He's very accurate (under pressure) and makes excellent decisions (also under pressure). He doesn't throw as well as Burrow at present, or even Caleb, in terms of ease and velocity on all throws. But he can make all the throws.
He'll get a little stronger the way Brady did. He warrants being drafted high. His first year will be ok. His 2nd will be much better. Eventually I think he'll be a top 5 NFL QB at some point.
JJ is evidence of how subjective this process is. Every part of his game you can find scout or draft analyst that will criticize it and one who will praise it. They're talking about arm talent here. I just saw one that was worried he didn't have a strong enough arm to be productive in the NFL. Arm, Accuracy, Vision, athleticism....No only is there no consensus on the player, there's no consensus on any single part of his game or skill set.
I think he has to go to a team like the vikings, like most of these qb's do lol, to learn and grow and have surrounding pieces!
I agree!
He’s only 21 and his mind is right. It’s a good pick
Best QB available.
JJ is a winner. Him winning the championship just shows he can be a big game winner when his time comes with the Vikings
Harbough’s a winner JJ was just riding the gravy train just like he’s going to do with the Vikings.
@@John-cw2dyI see you’re an intelligent person, way too intelligent for me I’d say. Whoever taught you what you know must’ve been Carl Sagan.
@@redt7452 yeah he was my dad.
This aged very well
I'm cautiously optimistic, great results but not big stats, even here in the highlights at 2:05 misses the open receiver for a TD.
Hes only 21 the youngest QB in the top 5. He hasn’t been playing 5-6 years like Daniels, Penix, Nix. Look at where those QBs were when they were 21. He has a ton of upside and room to grow a lot as a QB.
Even crazier than comp than Hayden made, when I watched this QB class, I thought Caleb was like Kyler Murray physically, but with a bit of Johnny Manziel Arsonist Firefighter vibe, where his hype and praise comes from him solving the problems he created from refusing to play on time & in structure. Drake Maye reminds me of a more mobile Sam Darnold, maybe a blend of Darnold and Daniel Jones, and Jayden is RG3, if RG3 needed a 5th year and a transfer to break out. JJ is the only one of the top QBs that reminded me of an elite NFL QB, and my even crazier comp, is Aaron Rodgers, except JJ is better at avoiding Sacks than Rodgers or Burrow and he's Way younger than either coming out.
As a Viking fan, I hope you are right. I'm hopeful.
People keep talking about the Penn State game how Michigan ran ball 32 times Reason why number one JJ had a leg injury and also they were having problems protecting him in the pocket Michigan offense tackles were getting kill by Penn State defense ends. That's why they ran the ball so many times Sherome decided if they were going to win they had to run the ball they beat them in the past by doing that.
side note, i've been watching you two since you've started and i gotta say you both have leveled up your game. great chemistry, strong transitions and bouncing off of one another. keep up the good work and maybe i'll subscribe
Saying maybe you will Subscribe like it’s not free or something
@@wcbjavan2940 real ones know
They should kiss
LOL you are not a real person
JJ is growing on me... Not done with the all22 but he might be my QB 2 when all is said and done
This guy is literally saying he's never seen JJ McCarthy make comeback in the fourth quarter when they need it and they're playing highlights of the semifinal game against Alabama when he came back from 7 points down😂 Ok
Most people who talk QBs don’t appreciate the nuances of the position the importance of making the right decisions .making the right reads . Besides in the case of big time throws sometimes especially in a close game you only need to make one big time throws to change a game . Besides most people who judge big time throws usually a very arbitrary definition . For example maybe a big time is situational based such as it is a minute left and you need to get the first down to seal the game and you hit the wide receiver on a post curl for 10-15 yards to seal the game that’s a big time throw . But that same play in the second Quarter isn’t a big time throw . Or it’s A td pass to the back corner of the end zone over the shoulder . 3rd goal from the 11
Jj can be a mvp candidate. He’ll be one of the most athletic in the league. I don’t see how people don’t think he big enough. Compared to Daniel’s he’s 20 pounds heavier.
my biggest issue with the idea of shannahan disciples wanting someone like jj mccarthy so high is that this tree has proven again and again that you don't need to spend top 5 draft capital to find them in the draft. purdy was mr irrelevant. cousins was a 4th rounder. jimmy g was a 2nd. what is the ROI on spending so much on a qb that seems to be not that hard to find? if we're going with the narrative that these coaches just want someone who can execute their scheme, we're not really looking at a game changer
You want someone who can execute the scheme reliably, but to get that extra level you need someone who can go beyond that. That's what JJ is. He has an extra dimension of playmaking that he can bring out when the play just doesn't work as designed that those other guys don't do. You just don't see it nearly as much as with some others in the class because he only brings it out when the play doesn't work within structure, and he's so good at making the play work within structure. Combine that with the lower volume of dropbacks and you just don't have a lot of times when making one of those kinds of plays was called for.
Agreed. Perfectly said sir
Looks like my Vikings will pick him so hoping he can turn out
He will have 10x better receivers with the Vikings than he had in college, I think will be really good. Now we just have to see if he can develop into a Joe Burrow or is he more Kirk 'disappear in big games' Cousins. I really think he is at minimum a better version of Kirk. I think his upside Joe Burrow/Joe Montana
Anybody that picks JJ in the top 5 will be fired. Vikings will be irrelevant if they pick JJ
@@O-D-X His upside is a top 5 QB of all time..? I like JJ, but man, that's some kool-aid..
@@makefootballviolentagain5258 Not many ever reach their peak ability. He is likely just going to be a more athletic Kirk, but that would still be an improvement for the Vikings.
@@O-D-X if Kirk was more athletic he’d be a top 5 qb
Maybe it'll come up later but he didn't throw a ton because they had the best O-line and the best RBs and a coach that loves to run. I can't remember the exact #s but if you take the Buttguys, Penn St, Bama and Washington, they had like 45 3rd and 2 or more and they threw it 37 times with JJ. It wasn't a trust thing. Watch him throwing from the pocket and running to either side and the athletic traits he has. Also TWO QBs have thrown harder than him in the combine Josh Allen and Joe Milton threw 62mph, he threw 61. Harbaugh is smarter than you about QBs. Remember that. HE WILL BE THE BEST QB IN THIS DRAFT!
Now that harbaugh is Herbert’s coach they’re gonna be a run first team
All he does is win...best scrambling accuracy too..71%
as much as I thnk JJM would make more sense as a 1st rd pick next year, him being in the 1st rd isn't as weird as Penix being there
I don't think he is worth a top 5 pick personally but I'd say that 10-15 range would be better. I know the Vikings are interested in him and they also gained that extra pick but I think they could probably just stay at 11 and take him instead of using that pick to move up higher
Ideally they would but the issue is they may have to move up to get him, at least one of the raiders/broncos will probably try to jump them
@@laflamablanca-kh4xvIf I am the Vikings I let them pay the price to move up and get McCarthy and just take Penix’s or Nix at 11. They can be just as good as him if not even better.
Harbaugh is looking to get a haul for that 5th pick he started all this McCarthy hype. People are talking about the Vikings giving up 3 firsts to move from 11 to 5. That is ridiculous for a QB with that small of a sample size
The two 1st rounders and maybe a 5th or 6th rounder is more than enough for the Chargers to move back 6 spots. Anything more and I would tell Harbaugh to eat it
It all depends where he goes like any of the top six. 21 or 24 doesn't matter as QBs can play to 36 without a stretch. Do they have an Oline do they have a defense. This is for any QB in this class. They can all play. 21 means he can still grow and refine his game. If he gets a year or two to back up, MaCarthy could be the real deal
Trey Lance was put in one of the best situations possible it’s not always about location.
@@JJ-zr6fuTrey lance got injured and never got another chance
I just don't understand the JJ hype. Getting 1st rd QBs right is a low hit rate, even lower when you are talking about college production as limited as JJs. I understand the demand for QBs drives up the price but I'd rather wait for Penix and Bo Nix later in the 1st. He just feels like a more athletic AJ McCarron when you look at stats and both coming from stellar teams. At least AJ went in the 5th rd.
AJ McCarron with more athletic ability and a better arm is intriguing tho, that’s why there’s hype. A highly successful game manager with athletic upside and good arm talent, plus the ability to play and excel out of structure. & he’s the youngest QB out of all the top guys, so a lot more room for growth.
The host of this show is explaining it. Did you listen.? Plus, It's the intangibles J.J. was born with, high IQ, leader, winner, confident, willpower, work ethic, unselfish, unflappable, and loves football.
@@glennpelton4887I forgot where intangibles make you a top 5 draft pick. You are only proving my point on this ridiculous hype train. I'm not saying he won't be good in the NFL, but I'm not drafting a guy in the top 10 who doesn't have a prolific college season or has some type of raw athletic abilities. Neither of which JJ has. Josh said it best when he stated nothing 'wows' him. Hayden comparing him to Joe Burrow then saying he won't be elite like Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes...those guys weren't even drafted in the top 10, but JJ should be a top 5 pick based on potential. Please.
Comparing him to Joe Burrow is comparing him to a top 5 NFL QB.
You’ll see. Promise. You will
The best QB in this class.
Amazing on 3rd down is all I need to sell me.
Well hes with the vikings now. With jefferson, hockensen, and addison as receivers he should do well.
i disagree w/the "either in or out" - you can have a 2nd rd grade on a guy and acknowledge the toxic NFL QB situation and that you'd have to take him earlier
Did you guys miss the TCU game in 2022. When after he threw two pick sixes J.J. balled out and brought his team back from a 19-point deficit of 41-22. if not for a controversial call by the refs on the Roman Wison touchdown catch Michigan possibly wins the game. Final score was 51-45. And this was a more raw J.J. before he got a new QB coach who corrected his mechanics before the 2023 season.
I remember the Georgia playoff game even though the game was already over he came in and looked better than Cade McNamara his freshman year.
@@jasonlejuan975 Yeah, I though they should have started him as a freshman to shorten the learning curve.
Yeah I remember the TCU game he sucked and is the reason they lost. It’s no wonder Hardbaugh didn’t let him do anything the next year. Garbage time, anyone can look good when the other team knows they’re winning it and is playing prevent
@@JJ-zr6fu Wrong! That game showed what he is about. He brought them back from 19 points down. That's a warrior. He didn't go sulk in the corner. He shook that shit off and balled out. You do know that the new QB coach (kirk Campbell) developed his mechanics on the pick six throws and J threw that same pass all year without an int. The plan at Michigan was to win the natty not showcase J.J. Having a dynamic QB who could make plays was all Har needed with the team Michigan had. And that's what happened. It was a masterclass in winning. Here's the recipe: Run the ball to eat clock, keep your defense fresh, wear down the opposing defense, keep the opposing offense off the field, and reduce the risk of injuring your dynamic QB and the starters, which was a concern during the year because they couldn't win it without J.J. They needed him healthy for the big games. He wound up getting injured anyway but toughed it out from PSU to Bama. The run game was so, so due to teams stacking 8 in the box much of the season. That's where your dynamic QB comes in and moves the chains on third and long. Which he did all year (10 yards per comp). You got fooled by the big runs in the big games which was due to the jumbo packages used to free up the backs. Michigan was saving that shit for PSU, OSU, etc. They had it all planned out back in the summer. Brillian! Blake Corum's first of only three 100-yard games was at Penn State, which was game 10. Donovan Edwards only had one (Washington). Being conservative is the Michigan way. Use to drive me crazy, especially when they needed to open it up. Lloyd Carr didn't turn Brady lose until the Orange Bowl against Bama. Brady's last game. Great game by the way. He didn't turn Chad Henne loose until his last game coaching against Urban Meyer and Florida. Great game by the way. J.J. had more pass attempts at Michigan than Harbaugh and Brady. Passing leader Chad Henne had 9,715 passing yards in 4 years. That's an average of 2,428.75 per season. That's always been the Michigan way. You do know Harbaugh is going to do the same thing with Herbert. The LA Chargers are going to build the same team. Jim is run first, second and third. He would have used every QB in the draft the same way and why not when you have a complete team. It would have been stupid to showcase J.J. when you didn't need too. Glad, I was able to school you on Michigan football.
I was about to mention that. You wanna see how well he can play tempo, there's a great example! He was a gunslinger all game long and even with the loss, a lot of our fans knew right there we were gonna win it all with 144
I think this is one of those recency bias that ends up happening in Football were one expert seemingly switch the narrative on a player so dramatically everyone usually falls in line because in reality the draft is an endless series of variables with no sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think McCarthy is good and has excellent character, but he needed to put superman cape on a lot more to convince me is even a Top-10 guy. Further, the argument of "well it's not there because his team didn't need him to be Superman and look at these 20 isolated plays when the defense sold out on the run" isn't convincing either. Guys, he was a starting QB at major program I expect him to be capable of some nice throws. We can't heap praise on Caleb for being Superman than say a kid on a much better blue chip stocked team didn't need to show it and that he is a Top-5 lock.
When we look back at this after reality plays out, like it always does... I mean Bryce Young was year ago guys!? Shit.
Michigan wasn't a better blue chip team though. They had 3 5 star recruits on a national championship team. What really had was a great coaching staff that built the team around both lines and controlling the ball. That removes the need, when properly executed, for Superman.
@@lincolnward85 yeah, that will work in college.
Bryce plays in Carolina without any real offense, HC fired, etc. if Stroud went to Carolina everyone would have said “oh he’s a bust” but I do agree on McCarthy how tf is he getting praised, for something that any other QB this draft would get hated for
@@user-hg4hz1lx2h I suppose to clarify in terms of the Byrce Young comparison I was referring to pushing a guy who isn't a day one guy into the fire and allowing their confidence to get crushed which is a reason I'm almost happy the Jets traded for Rodgers because they surely would have drafted McCarthy. When you draft Top 5 or even Top 10 those are guys you almost always confident can be day one (or at the very least Year One) needle movers, that isn't McCarthy, and honestly, I don't think it's right to expect him to live up to a pair of first-round picks (if the Vikings are the movers).
BTW, if you watched (in case you didn't) the preseason Texan games it's a minor miracle they and Stroud were able to put together because it was an ugly start. Stroud was getting the David Carr treatment in those games.
McCarthy would not have come out if he didn’t have info that he would be a top 10 pick. The NFL guys were very high on him going back to the previous year. All the “experts” were way behind regarding what value he possessed in terms nfl ranking.
I think this guy might be short term good like Russle Wilson style but won’t last too long
crazy prediction 🥳🥳
My counters this “pro style offense” is that again, there’s nothing NFL style about run, run, 3rd and deep, run, run, TD. I’m not seeing it, the absence of evidence for me. The NFL is gun heavy
you were fortunate to not sit through the Mike Zimmer Vikings of three years ago
This is going to be chargers football for the foreseeable future
@socks7773 with Kirk Cousins slinging the ball to Justin Jefferson yeah right
@@dark8prince201 the Vikings ran the ball on 2nd down 164 times in Zim’s last year, around 46% of the time. This was like 6th most in the NFL.
Yo so weird I was just checking to see if you guys had dropped this yet and got the notification 🤯
Hold up, JJ played for IMG against bishop sycamore??? Nfw 😂
Look, idk how to rank players like a pro, but I think he’s gonna be good based on his throwing motion. I thought the same about CJ Stroud last season. We’ll see..
Josh Rosen had the prettiest throwing motion.
@@JJ-zr6fuRosen also got drafted to a shitty cardinals team
Tough to see an elite qb here. Serviceable Shanahan style qb.
I like McCarthy, he has a lot of great traits that should translate to the next level. That said, he's a really risky prospect. I think bottom of the top 12 is probably where he should go, but needs might well push him up to #7 or #8 in a trade up.
McCarthy’s greatest asset is what his coaches and promoters talk about first-his likability as a person and charisma. They never start with his production. The projections are based largely on the fact that many media members want to see a kid like this succeed. But the fact is there’s not enough tape on him to project success in the NFL. Yet the kid has got to be one of the luckiest Quarterbacks in terms of the teams he plays for-NFL, college and high school? Kid has been unbelievably privileged in that way.
@@RednGone I agree. Replacing Kirk’s mediocrity will suffice as far as the Wilf’s are concerned.
Guy on the right definitely understands JJ better than the other dude. He’s much better than people give him credit for. Whoever gets him will be very happy in a couple years
Athleticism reminds me of Dak, can make plays on the run and scramble as needed but not a dual threat QB.
I hope he is good
Bennett, From, Jake Coker, AJ McCaron all had similar seasons as JJ McCarthy. Why were they drafted very late? Either teams are very desperate for QBs or McCarthy being a 5 star recruit from IMG and figuring that pedigree will translate when he gets volume in the NFL.
I can't believe the Vikings want to trade up for this guy and deny my team of Marvin Harrison Jr
You don't have to make the trade 😂
@@billsfever yea u right, cause I'm the GM and I can choose to not make the trade
If JJ can put up numbers like brock purdy sign me tf up
I see a Jeff Garcia comp with maybe a higher ceiling
The all important QB deep dives to figure out their real-life viability (also isn't it super weird that MIN hasn't moved up yet nor smoke about a move up? and HOU leak that they initiated the trade with MIN not the other way around...do they stand pat and not pay up??)
There has been a lot of talk about them moving up. No one wants to move down though
@@joeysmith5767 LAC, NYG, CHI all easy trade down candidates for myriad of reasons
They don't trade up imo cost to high for top 5.
Taking him top 5 is insanity, what are we doing?
Jj is better than drake may 100%. May is not athletic. Jj runs a 4.4 40. He runs a pro style offense. May is an interception machine. Daniel’s will be crippled in a year or two. And Williams throws a playground style of football.
Terrible take
Vikings fan here but if you think JJ is a better prospect than Drake you are a legit Kool aid drinker
@@joesmith3542Maye is too stupid to lead an NFL team to any kind of sustained success. He was remarkably awful vs UVA, GT, Clemson twice and NC ST. Guy looked helpless any time he played decent teams
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Good college QB but how does he get drafted in the first round when he wasn't a volume passer at all in college. If this guy goes top 10 why doesn't stetson bennet go first round
Everyone seems to have flushed this game out of memory but mccarthy has to win a game for Michigan against TCU and he’s the reason they lost. Is it no wonder why they didn’t let him throw the ball last year after TCU.
And he had to tie up bama game your point is stupid his stats in tcu game was great beside 2 pick 6s
My Patriots had pretty good success once, being led by a Michigan QB….I say, let’s give it another shot.
Would still be tempted to take Jayden Daniels, if still available at number 3, but would want the safer McCarthy, over Drake Maye.
Cornelius Johnson is going to prove you wrong 😉
Reminds me a willing to run Teddy Bridgewater
Terrible take lol
@@nicktomei7642 Yeah, he has more arm than Bridgewater ever had and way more athletic ability.
Teddy was much more polished as a passer with much more experience
@@ref233 JJ played in pro like system throwing more bubble screens in college don’t make u polished and ain’t like all of Teddy college experience lead him to be a profile pro QB. Will see if I’m wrong and who’s better
The next joe burrow
Or
The knew Mac jones
yup that’s it.l.
Can we nickname him McLovin' please?
All the stuff y’all are saying jj is good at bo nix is better.
The Brock Purdy Slander Must Stop
If my Giants draft McCarthy at 6 or even trade up to grab him at 4, I'll go to bed happy on draft night
On his best reps he looks like Drew Brees and on his worst he looks like Mac Jones. But I'm starting to understand it, even if I wouldn't pay the premium to trade up for him.
You guys talk very well...not sure if you actually know very much...haven't watched JJ very much.
so he is Brock Purdy(lite)😂
Was with them until they started thrash talking Brock Purdy. Like wtf more does the guy have to do.
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JJ LEAD THE COMEBACK DOWN 7 VS BAMA!!! WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!!
if you haven't watched Michigan games just say you're talking out you ass for 22 minutes!
Start him immediately
Alabama had to come back and Indiana 2nd half they let JJ rip.
I don't see a first round QB on film or on the stat sheet. I do see that with Penix and Nix.
Because you know very little about QB evaluation, it’s really simple though. If Penix or Nix were really good QBs they would not be in this draft class. They would have been drafted years ago.
Half of the highlights shown here, there wasn't a person within 5yds of the WR. Some of the shorter throws were actually kind of bad. This guy is a complete grenade. But most are to be fair.
JJ missed some really bad throws against Washington. I don’t think Washington had a great defense and this was his last collegiate game. Didn’t impress me and he should have returned for another season. I don’t think he’s ready unless he gets excellent coaching and sits for up to and exceeding one season.
Penix > McCarthy
The fact you guys couldn't see that is hilarious.
The only things scaring people about Penix is the injury history, and how he crumbled under pressure against a pro style defense of the Wolverines. On the flip side, we don't know how McCarthy will fair in a 4th quarter pressure situation as he never really faced that adversity. His one loss, his team got blown out by half time.
Complete different style of qbs and offenses they played in. Both of their success will be very much attributed to scheme fit at the next level. McCarthy needs to go to a Shanahan/McVay style offense while Penix needs to go to an offense with a majority of the throws outside the numbers. Penix might seem like the better qb as well as being better statistically but hard to say McCarthy wouldn’t be on the same level if he had 3 more years of development like Penix.
Injury plagued 24 year old inflating stats against horrible PAC12 defenses. Folded when he finally played a top 10 defense.
@@wesleyrimnah man Penix is a baller. I’m a big JJ guy too but penix is a beast too. He had IU ranked in the top 12, that accomplishment alone is HOF worthy
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t his adot pretty bad
9.4 yards in 2023. 10.7 yards in 2022.
pretty sure you are thinking of Bo Nix
@@whydoihavetodothis44Bo Nix had 26 TD’s and 2 INT throwing beyond 10 yards this season. That’s more TD’s than JJ had all season. Also more INT’s. Nix can throw downfield just fine, way more accurate than JJ, just wasn’t asked to do it that often at Oregon. And threw way more passes.
@@KFBALL247 Nix was also 4 years older throwing in a weak defensive conference. Would not be putting up those stats playing against teams like Alabama.
JJ is more athletic than Drake Maye
Don’t fall for the hype he is not a top 5 pick in this draft
This is where rates and averages are misleading. I would rather raw numbers sometimes. I could say someone is 100% accurate if they are 1 for 1 passing.
I feel the same way about JJ as I felt about Mac Jones in 2021, and I felt good about Mac going to the Patriots. Mac did have a good rookie year and then everything just fell apart, so I have my reservations about JJ.
Mac Jones is a third round talented quarterback with no tools and Robert Kraft forced Bill belichick to draft him because they were desperate.
Mac Jones had a weak arm, JJ has a great arm. Mac Jones was not mobile and could not run, JJ has impeccable footwork and is very good at running and throwing on the run. Mac Jones was a bad leader and couldn't handle adversity, JJ McCarthy may be one of the best leaders in the draft, Mac Jones had a week arm, JJ McCarthy has one of the strongest arms in the draft. Mac Jones had a stud filled offense in Alabama which made him look better than he was, JD McCarthy has an average to blow average offense with the exception of Blake, he's going to be drafted to a team that is going to be equally offensive talented as Michigan Mac went from an extremely talented offense in Alabama to a mediocre subpar offense in New England.
@@josephcurreri9289 It’s easy to shit on Mac now with everything Patriots falling apart from the coaches down to the players, yet he threw for 3800 yards and 92.5 rating which was better than everybody else in his draft class by a country mile, and he didn’t have a good offensive roster around him either. If JJ put up those numbers on the Vikings with Jefferson, Addison, and Hockenson, everybody would call that a major success. Again it’s easy to shit on Mac now but I bet you weren’t calling him out especially his leadership after his rookie season.
How do you watch jj and penix and think Penix is worse
He's elderly, has glass knees, no mobility, hasn't run a pro-style offense, had the best OL in college football and 3 WR's that will end up first round picks..
@@makefootballviolentagain5258Polk and mcmillian are not first round picks. He’s a perfectly reasonable age QBs play until they are 40 now, he ran a 4.55 40 time which is good for QBs, and his deep ball is money. I don’t get the Penix hate after the masterful offense he lead this year at Washington
I would say they are just different. But I’m with you in thinking that Penix could be even better than McCarthy in the NFL.
Differences are this: McCarthy 1.) good at play action and taking his eyes off defense and then back on (not a Penix thing)
2.) Good at throwing on the move (Penix more of a pocket passer). 3.) Good at avoiding pressure and making off-schedule plays (throwing and running). 4.) Stays pretty good with his feet and can drive the ball well 5.) Makes big time throws when under pressure and in big time situations.
Penix- 1.) Great in the pocket. Slides pretty well to avoid pressure and make throws. 2.). Uncanny accuracy and anticipation on his throws. 3.). Has great touch (McCarthy not so much) and is ridiculous throwing downfield. 4.). Was the absolute go to guy on his team to make plays for his offense. 5.)Can run pretty well, but doesn’t do it very often and doesn’t throw on the run.
Here is the tale of the tape. Penix hasn’t shown that he is very adept at throwing on the run or off-schedule plays. McCarthy has.
McCarthy was never asked to be the focus of his offense, and throw the ball 40 times a game. Penix has.
Penix did not do very much play-action, under center drops, or turning his head away from defense and back. McCarthy has.
McCarthy has not shown consistent accuracy or touch, especially when throwing outside the numbers. Penix has.
Penix has shown to not be consistent with his feet when throwing and avoiding pressure (though he still seems accurate when his feet are off), McCarthy is better with his feet and squaring up on his throws.
Though McCarthy has displayed some great throws downfield, his anticipation and ability to “throw his receivers open” is nothing in comparison to Penix (McCarthy’s guys were much more open thanks to their running threat).
Penix has had more significant injuries, perhaps because he doesn’t avoid pressure quite as well as McCarthy (or perhaps because he was playing for Indiana; much less problems with injury when at Washington).
Both of them could be better at taking the short throws at times and not trying to push the ball down the field all the time (even though I like that about both of them), and thus might throw even less interceptions (like Bo Nix).
And for anyone who thinks Penix was a product of having great WRs at Washington, just go and watch him at Indiana. His Michigan game is a good one to watch. Also go and check those Washington WRs stats prior to Penix’s arrival. He was just as good at Indiana as Washington. He is very good. But him and McCarthy are very different.
Taking him in the top 5 would be nuts. So many limitations. Not a good processor at all. Very few throws are on target. Efficiency drops off a cliff throwing to the left.
“On throws of 10 or more air yards and outside the numbers over his career, comparing his throws to the right and left are pretty drastic: McCarthy's completion percentage drops from 56.2% to 42.6%, his quarterback efficiency goes from a 205.4 to 144.2, his dropback success rate from a 56.2% to a pedestrian 42.6%, and his first downs per attempt from 53.4% to 39.7%.”
Good luck to whoever drafts him. I think it’s going to be a train wreck.
What’s is meant by “outside the numbers”?