Very balanced presentation, what it omissed is that the most common kind of shirk today among Muslims is not calling on other gods, but give scholars legislative power just like Allah clearly warned us against. Another very common form of shirk you see everywhere is loving wealth and earthly power more than Allah, something most political and economic elites clearly do. It is for Allah to judge, but all who have eyes to see can see.
There was a scholar who said that whoever prefers a non prophet over a Prophet has disbelieved, but... Shia say and have proof to show that Hadhrat 'Ali was greater than The Prophets of Allah, check this up, so just because someone says you have disbelieved because you have said so and so does not mean that.
This would be a very interesting topic for another video. What opinions did scholars used to hold a long time ago that are no longer held today or considered very odd? It's the first time I felt like you could go soooo much more into this.
Islam is based on adherence to divine guidance. There's only room for opinions where the the texts don't give directions. Opinions can change but the texts can't. Opinions based on contradicting or discarding the texts are completely worthless.
Takfir is similar to a diagnosis. There's things that will take you out of Islam whether you're diagnosed or not. The person passing the ruling isn't doing "excommunication" they're diagnosing the condition ie passing judgement attempting to remedy it by counceling the person and giving them 3 days to repent if all else fails then the punishment is applied. They are labelled as apostates and treated as such. Faith in Islam is made up of three components: words, actions and belief in the heart. A Muslim judge cannot rule on someone based on what's in their heart. Only their actions and words are to be judged. Unlike the Christian inquisition torture, trickery and forced confessions aren't a part of the process. The judge attempts to remove the misunderstanding/confusion of the person by way of dialogue, gives them 3 days to rethink their position and if they don't repent they're executed as an apostate. Capital punishment for apostasy is a core part of Islam and had been practiced by the prophet Muhammad pbuh and rashidoon RA. It's only recent liberal interpretation of Islam that attempt to muddy the waters to audiences who are ignorant of Islam.
I'm sorry, but that is patently False. . Everything you have identified were contrived by men, using Gods' Revelation as justification for their own selfish ends. The Quran itself disallows Muslims to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. There is no "ruling" or "judging" save for what man has contrived for his own ego and power. BTW: Your use of the word "apostate" is also incorrect. By definition Apostasy is " an abandoning of what one has believed in such as a faith, cause, principles, etc." By definition a person who has established his relationship with God by declaring the Shahadah and seeks to follow Islam to the best of his ability as God gives to him the ability to see right is not an "apostate". He has abandoned nothing....... except maybe compliance with what another person opines that individual should be doing. That seems to be what you are about.
@@BruceWSims You have the most inconsistent ideology ever. You claim that making people comply with Islamic laws is wrong because everyone needs to have their own interpretation of Islam, yet you condemn MY interpretation of Islam as wrong. If there's no right or wrong interpretation of Islam how do you come to the conclusion that my interpretation (Which happens to be the mainstream understanding of apostasy) is wrong. Your irrational and illogical arguments are based on your initial flawed (or non-existent) understanding of Islam.
I sometimes imagine how God - on occasion - puts just a little more love in his work when making a human being. (I hope that image doesn't offend you on some theological level. 🤔 😅) You two come across like the result of that. Thanks for your videos! Best wishes from one of your fellow human beings from Germany 🌻❤️
Why didn’t he explain simple? There is a definition: someone who believes be in one God, prophets and the prophet Muhammed as the last prophet was a Muslim, period.
Do u commit shirk? Are u Shia and pray through or with help of Ali? Do u not believe that the Quran is the literal word of God and has been preserved word for word?
@@Crazy88277 I am not Shia, and yes I believe that about the Quran, I do not commit Shirk. Why do you care so much though? Concern yourself with your own Deen.
@@adamkhan7469 it’s a free country and you posted on a public platform. Don’t be like the prophet and be angry at those who question him. Questioning is good. 👍
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Actually, I am a bit more confused now, than I was Before I watched the video. As a Revert of a few years I had always held in my Heart exactly what Dr. Shabir stated; the we cannot know another persons' Heart and only the Individual is able to put themselves out of Islam. Frankly I had thought that "excommunication" was an abberation rather than a recognized function. Now I am wondering how these two things......non-judgement and excommunication....can co-exist in the same Faith. If anyone has insights, it would be a blessing to me. Thanks in advance..
I think it co exists in the way that islam allows a wide range if beliefs and opinions, as long as it operates within a spectrum. Anything beyond this is not tolerated e.g. belief in 2 gods. So if someones believes in 2 gods or jesus being god then he is (in theory) excommunicated.
@@BruceWSims it can be a judgement made by others as people cannot expect muslims to recognise those whos beliefs reside out of the fold of islam as Muslim. This isnt a matter of "judgement" as there can of course be complete respect for the other party in this, but a matter of classification of being in or out of the ummah. The only problem of course would be scholars coming to a consensus, because on one hand a certain group of wahhabis are quick to excommunicate anyone who doesnt prescribe to their exact brand of islam, even within the sunnism (such as the barelvis, deobandis, sufi orders, etc), let alone others in the ummah like Ibadis and Shia sects. On the other hand you have people who more than anything wish for unity that they do not properly abide by the Qur'an, such that they admit Alawites and Ahmadis despite how their beliefs take them well outside the fold of islam.
@ZainKhancanada Thank you, Brother. I think you cleared that up pretty well. I don't usually trouble myself too much about all of the groups that are graded as "in" or "out" of Islam. My own focus is to understand my Faith as best I can rather than being "told" what I believe.This whole idea of having "scholars" and authorities for a belief system that is not suppose to have any seems to be an on-going struggle for me. Thanks again.
Islam is the belief system based on the parallelism of heart and mind. Some uncompromising doctrine of Islam are oneness of God, belief on all previous prophets (pbuh) and last prophet Muhammad (pbuh), life after death and judgement day for the conduct we did in this dunya that include bit of act done to harm or benefit fellow beings. No one is accountable to none except God and He knows the best. Yet the role of community is very important in Islam as a brotherhood of ummah., Since no Caliphate is present, scholars consensus is important that too in the light of Qur'an.
It is so sad that now a days Muslim are calling other sects of Islam who prays 5 times a day declaring that “ there is no god but Allah & and prophet Muhammad is the last messenger” as Kafir. And proudly don’t hesitate to lie and defame them 😔😔
Scolars rejecting hadith too. Fake hadith. But identifying fake hadith can be done by many methods. And the best method in my view, is to use Quran as Al Furqan, the criterion.
*"Surely Allah does not forgive associating ˹others˺ with Him ˹in worship˺,1 but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. Indeed, whoever associates ˹others˺ with Allah has clearly gone far astray."* 4:116 *"They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."* 5:72
If associating others w him is some unforgivable sin then that means christians, jws and Hindus could never convert, yet at the same time ur god and profit says to kll us if we don’t. This is the logic of Islam
@@QueenQaffir first the unforgivenss refers to those who died on the state of associating partners with God, because anyone who repent sincerely, God is always forgiving. *"But those who commit evil, then repent and become ˹true˺ believers, your Lord will certainly be All-Forgiving, Most-Merciful."* 7:153 I'm not sure where you get the idea that Muslims are supposed to kill non believers? The oldest churches are still intact in places that once were the centers of strong Islamic empires. *"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair."* 60:8
@@criticalthinker1123 anyone who sincerely repents is forgiven? But the verse says anyone who repents AND becomes true believers. The “and” means there is a second step. One just can’t sincerely repent and be done. So what is a true believer? According to todays Muslims, one who believes in allh AND MOHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER. The “and” literally associates Mohammed WITH allh. Furthermore, don’t u Muslims also believe u must earn ur salvation? How do u not understand that makes allh’s forgiveness redundant and unnecessary, yet conditional? As for 60:8, if that were true is lam wouldn’t be universally notorious for violence and persecution, but shall I quote all the verses that say to fight and kll in the name and cause of allh? What does “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah…” mean to u? What does “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” mean to u? What does “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords” mean? I could go on for days.
@@QueenQaffir you said verse 60 8 doesn't make sense, but history shows us that Muslims helped the Jews from the Christians prosecution at least twice. A true believer is one who believe in One God, not trinity, and believes in all the messengers of God including Adam Noah Abraham Moses Jesus, Muhammad and many others
@@QueenQaffirYou're confusing yourself mixing different issues with each other regarding the fact that Allah SWT doesn't forgive kufr. you're mixing between worldy judgement and the hereafter. Critical thinker explained it perfectly. If you die in a state of disbelief in Allah SWT you will never be forgiven regardless how much good you've done. However, the Non-Muslims who repent (Like almost all of the Companions of the prophet pbuh), become believers and do good deeds will be forgiven and granted eternal abode in paradise. Muslims are commanded to fight the non-believers yes, but there's no compulsion in religion. Nonbelievers cannot be forced to become Muslim. They can live as protected dhimmis on their faith. If you knew anything about the history of Islam you'd know that is the reason why many Non-Muslim communities continuously existed under Islamic rule for over a thousand years. You make a silly assertion that belief in Prophet Muhammad pbuh is making him a partner to Allah SWT. It's laughable that your pagan beliefs affect how you view the Shahada. Prophet Muhammad pbuh is a Messenger and servent of Allah SWT. He's in no way a partner to the almighty in fact believing that takes one into kufr. He's a Messenger in the same way all of the Messengers prior to him were. You then go on to moan about Muslims fighting for their religion. You mention the apostasy law which is part of Islam. Which if you're a Christian who believes in the Bible you shouldn't object to since violence is endorsed there.
Different scholars (even within sunnism, let alone other sects) have different views on what hadith qualifies as sahih or not. Rejection of all sahih hadith however i would agree as the quran says to obey the prophet and allah swt knows best.
@@ZainKhancanada There is your problem. Much of the Quran is not intelligible without the sunnah. If you have doubts about the sunnah, you can't be guided correctly.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 of course, that's why there is difference in opinion, as people strive to be guided as correctly as possible. While I cannot personally guarantee the authenticity of this I recall sheikh assim al hakeem saying something among the lines of 'if you follow an opinion on hadith by an authentic scholar, and it turns out to be a (minor) misinterpretation, you shall still be rewarded once for your sincere effort, if it is a correct interpretation then you shall be rewarded twice'
I mean if you reject all of them it's kind of questionable because you don't understand Quran and you don't even know how Quran even came to be. But in my opinion if you reject some sahih hadiths because you have reason for it or you are doubtful of them then no. I personally don't take hadiths as 100% reliable but I still take them as reliable enough to be followed unless they contradict Quran or doesn't make sense outright. And before you say it, NO i don't believe that is impossible for sahih Hadith to contradict Quran and if I think that it's because of the limitation and insufficiency of intellect.
Shirk the worst. The compassionate The merciful. Islam is becoming a corporation! Being a muslim & one book. Inspired? Jesus said the righteous are just that! Jesus came for the sick
The quran is co eternal according the mainstream just like Jesus and the holy spirit to christians. Even from the quran it was a spirit of god appeared and put jesus in mary while Jesus had all of the same abilities as god. Unless you go the mu'tazilite route this whole religion is logically inconsistent on the matter. Same with the position on the other scriptures relative to islam.
Very balanced presentation, what it omissed is that the most common kind of shirk today among Muslims is not calling on other gods, but give scholars legislative power just like Allah clearly warned us against. Another very common form of shirk you see everywhere is loving wealth and earthly power more than Allah, something most political and economic elites clearly do. It is for Allah to judge, but all who have eyes to see can see.
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Very nice clarification
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There was a scholar who said that whoever prefers a non prophet over a Prophet has disbelieved, but... Shia say and have proof to show that Hadhrat 'Ali was greater than The Prophets of Allah, check this up, so just because someone says you have disbelieved because you have said so and so does not mean that.
This would be a very interesting topic for another video. What opinions did scholars used to hold a long time ago that are no longer held today or considered very odd? It's the first time I felt like you could go soooo much more into this.
Islam is based on adherence to divine guidance. There's only room for opinions where the the texts don't give directions.
Opinions can change but the texts can't. Opinions based on contradicting or discarding the texts are completely worthless.
Takfir is similar to a diagnosis. There's things that will take you out of Islam whether you're diagnosed or not. The person passing the ruling isn't doing "excommunication" they're diagnosing the condition ie passing judgement attempting to remedy it by counceling the person and giving them 3 days to repent if all else fails then the punishment is applied. They are labelled as apostates and treated as such.
Faith in Islam is made up of three components: words, actions and belief in the heart. A Muslim judge cannot rule on someone based on what's in their heart. Only their actions and words are to be judged. Unlike the Christian inquisition torture, trickery and forced confessions aren't a part of the process. The judge attempts to remove the misunderstanding/confusion of the person by way of dialogue, gives them 3 days to rethink their position and if they don't repent they're executed as an apostate.
Capital punishment for apostasy is a core part of Islam and had been practiced by the prophet Muhammad pbuh and rashidoon RA. It's only recent liberal interpretation of Islam that attempt to muddy the waters to audiences who are ignorant of Islam.
I'm sorry, but that is patently False. . Everything you have identified were contrived by men, using Gods' Revelation as justification for their own selfish ends. The Quran itself disallows Muslims to judge who is a Muslim and who is not. There is no "ruling" or "judging" save for what man has contrived for his own ego and power. BTW: Your use of the word "apostate" is also incorrect. By definition Apostasy is " an abandoning of what one has believed in such as a faith, cause, principles, etc." By definition a person who has established his relationship with God by declaring the Shahadah and seeks to follow Islam to the best of his ability as God gives to him the ability to see right is not an "apostate". He has abandoned nothing....... except maybe compliance with what another person opines that individual should be doing. That seems to be what you are about.
@@BruceWSims You have the most inconsistent ideology ever. You claim that making people comply with Islamic laws is wrong because everyone needs to have their own interpretation of Islam, yet you condemn MY interpretation of Islam as wrong. If there's no right or wrong interpretation of Islam how do you come to the conclusion that my interpretation (Which happens to be the mainstream understanding of apostasy) is wrong.
Your irrational and illogical arguments are based on your initial flawed (or non-existent) understanding of Islam.
I sometimes imagine how God - on occasion - puts just a little more love in his work when making a human being. (I hope that image doesn't offend you on some theological level. 🤔 😅)
You two come across like the result of that. Thanks for your videos! Best wishes from one of your fellow human beings from Germany 🌻❤️
My favourite duo!
Why didn’t he explain simple? There is a definition: someone who believes be in one God, prophets and the prophet Muhammed as the last prophet was a Muslim, period.
Because excommunicating someone from the fold of Islam is a complicated matter. There is no simple answer.
Thank you. May The God bless you.
If you declare you are Muslim, who am I to decide if you are or not.
Do u commit shirk? Are u Shia and pray through or with help of Ali? Do u not believe that the Quran is the literal word of God and has been preserved word for word?
@@Crazy88277ALL Muslims commit shirk.
@@Crazy88277 I am not Shia, and yes I believe that about the Quran, I do not commit Shirk. Why do you care so much though? Concern yourself with your own Deen.
@@adamkhan7469 it’s a free country and you posted on a public platform. Don’t be like the prophet and be angry at those who question him. Questioning is good. 👍
k@@Crazy88277
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Actually, I am a bit more confused now, than I was Before I watched the video. As a Revert of a few years I had always held in my Heart exactly what Dr. Shabir stated; the we cannot know another persons' Heart and only the Individual is able to put themselves out of Islam. Frankly I had thought that "excommunication" was an abberation rather than a recognized function. Now I am wondering how these two things......non-judgement and excommunication....can co-exist in the same Faith. If anyone has insights, it would be a blessing to me.
Thanks in advance..
I think it co exists in the way that islam allows a wide range if beliefs and opinions, as long as it operates within a spectrum. Anything beyond this is not tolerated e.g. belief in 2 gods. So if someones believes in 2 gods or jesus being god then he is (in theory) excommunicated.
@truemono7684 OK....but their "excommunication" would be self-performed, right? It would not be a judgement made by others, right?
@@BruceWSims it can be a judgement made by others as people cannot expect muslims to recognise those whos beliefs reside out of the fold of islam as Muslim. This isnt a matter of "judgement" as there can of course be complete respect for the other party in this, but a matter of classification of being in or out of the ummah. The only problem of course would be scholars coming to a consensus, because on one hand a certain group of wahhabis are quick to excommunicate anyone who doesnt prescribe to their exact brand of islam, even within the sunnism (such as the barelvis, deobandis, sufi orders, etc), let alone others in the ummah like Ibadis and Shia sects. On the other hand you have people who more than anything wish for unity that they do not properly abide by the Qur'an, such that they admit Alawites and Ahmadis despite how their beliefs take them well outside the fold of islam.
@ZainKhancanada Thank you, Brother. I think you cleared that up pretty well. I don't usually trouble myself too much about all of the groups that are graded as "in" or "out" of Islam. My own focus is to understand my Faith as best I can rather than being "told" what I believe.This whole idea of having "scholars" and authorities for a belief system that is not suppose to have any seems to be an on-going struggle for me. Thanks again.
Islam is the belief system based on the parallelism of heart and mind. Some uncompromising doctrine of Islam are oneness of God, belief on all previous prophets (pbuh) and last prophet Muhammad (pbuh), life after death and judgement day for the conduct we did in this dunya that include bit of act done to harm or benefit fellow beings. No one is accountable to none except God and He knows the best. Yet the role of community is very important in Islam as a brotherhood of ummah., Since no Caliphate is present, scholars consensus is important that too in the light of Qur'an.
I think the better question is are u aware of bukhari 9 84 57
“Whoever leaves his religion, kll him”.
Can you review the Robert Spencer vs Muslims debate
It is so sad that now a days Muslim are calling other sects of Islam who prays 5 times a day declaring that “ there is no god but Allah & and prophet Muhammad is the last messenger” as Kafir. And proudly don’t hesitate to lie and defame them 😔😔
What do you do with the Quran only movement who reject some Quran verses or don’t pray the same way as the majority
Yet they calling us kaafira for rejecting hadeeth
*rejecting Hadiths outright is a big problem*
Scolars rejecting hadith too. Fake hadith. But identifying fake hadith can be done by many methods. And the best method in my view, is to use Quran as Al Furqan, the criterion.
*"Surely Allah does not forgive associating ˹others˺ with Him ˹in worship˺,1 but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. Indeed, whoever associates ˹others˺ with Allah has clearly gone far astray."* 4:116
*"They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."* 5:72
If associating others w him is some unforgivable sin then that means christians, jws and Hindus could never convert, yet at the same time ur god and profit says to kll us if we don’t. This is the logic of Islam
@@QueenQaffir first the unforgivenss refers to those who died on the state of associating partners with God, because anyone who repent sincerely, God is always forgiving.
*"But those who commit evil, then repent and become ˹true˺ believers, your Lord will certainly be All-Forgiving, Most-Merciful."* 7:153
I'm not sure where you get the idea that Muslims are supposed to kill non believers? The oldest churches are still intact in places that once were the centers of strong Islamic empires.
*"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair."* 60:8
@@criticalthinker1123 anyone who sincerely repents is forgiven? But the verse says anyone who repents AND becomes true believers. The “and” means there is a second step. One just can’t sincerely repent and be done. So what is a true believer? According to todays Muslims, one who believes in allh AND MOHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER. The “and” literally associates Mohammed WITH allh. Furthermore, don’t u Muslims also believe u must earn ur salvation? How do u not understand that makes allh’s forgiveness redundant and unnecessary, yet conditional? As for 60:8, if that were true is lam wouldn’t be universally notorious for violence and persecution, but shall I quote all the verses that say to fight and kll in the name and cause of allh? What does “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah…” mean to u? What does “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” mean to u? What does “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords” mean? I could go on for days.
@@QueenQaffir you said verse 60 8 doesn't make sense, but history shows us that Muslims helped the Jews from the Christians prosecution at least twice.
A true believer is one who believe in One God, not trinity, and believes in all the messengers of God including Adam Noah Abraham Moses Jesus, Muhammad and many others
@@QueenQaffirYou're confusing yourself mixing different issues with each other regarding the fact that Allah SWT doesn't forgive kufr. you're mixing between worldy judgement and the hereafter. Critical thinker explained it perfectly. If you die in a state of disbelief in Allah SWT you will never be forgiven regardless how much good you've done. However, the Non-Muslims who repent (Like almost all of the Companions of the prophet pbuh), become believers and do good deeds will be forgiven and granted eternal abode in paradise. Muslims are commanded to fight the non-believers yes, but there's no compulsion in religion. Nonbelievers cannot be forced to become Muslim. They can live as protected dhimmis on their faith. If you knew anything about the history of Islam you'd know that is the reason why many Non-Muslim communities continuously existed under Islamic rule for over a thousand years.
You make a silly assertion that belief in Prophet Muhammad pbuh is making him a partner to Allah SWT. It's laughable that your pagan beliefs affect how you view the Shahada. Prophet Muhammad pbuh is a Messenger and servent of Allah SWT. He's in no way a partner to the almighty in fact believing that takes one into kufr. He's a Messenger in the same way all of the Messengers prior to him were.
You then go on to moan about Muslims fighting for their religion. You mention the apostasy law which is part of Islam. Which if you're a Christian who believes in the Bible you shouldn't object to since violence is endorsed there.
Sheikh I was give amulets for me and my husband I learnt this is kufr. I cry night and day! As Allah don’t forgive shirk.
The product that islam is producing is not very godly, to be honest
Where’s Hope without the death and resurrection of Jesus pbuh
Wouldn't questioning the sahih sources take you out of Islam? You are disobeying the instructions of Muhammad as the Quran commands.
Different scholars (even within sunnism, let alone other sects) have different views on what hadith qualifies as sahih or not. Rejection of all sahih hadith however i would agree as the quran says to obey the prophet and allah swt knows best.
@@ZainKhancanada There is your problem. Much of the Quran is not intelligible without the sunnah. If you have doubts about the sunnah, you can't be guided correctly.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 of course, that's why there is difference in opinion, as people strive to be guided as correctly as possible. While I cannot personally guarantee the authenticity of this I recall sheikh assim al hakeem saying something among the lines of 'if you follow an opinion on hadith by an authentic scholar, and it turns out to be a (minor) misinterpretation, you shall still be rewarded once for your sincere effort, if it is a correct interpretation then you shall be rewarded twice'
@@heregoes8839 What does that do to your certainty?
I mean if you reject all of them it's kind of questionable because you don't understand Quran and you don't even know how Quran even came to be. But in my opinion if you reject some sahih hadiths because you have reason for it or you are doubtful of them then no. I personally don't take hadiths as 100% reliable but I still take them as reliable enough to be followed unless they contradict Quran or doesn't make sense outright. And before you say it, NO i don't believe that is impossible for sahih Hadith to contradict Quran and if I think that it's because of the limitation and insufficiency of intellect.
Shirk the worst.
The compassionate The merciful.
Islam is becoming a corporation!
Being a muslim & one book.
Inspired?
Jesus said the righteous are just that!
Jesus came for the sick
The quran is co eternal according the mainstream just like Jesus and the holy spirit to christians. Even from the quran it was a spirit of god appeared and put jesus in mary while Jesus had all of the same abilities as god. Unless you go the mu'tazilite route this whole religion is logically inconsistent on the matter. Same with the position on the other scriptures relative to islam.
It's not comparable. Allah didn't send the Qur'an to Earth to die for the sins of mankind.
Love you Dr., And I love the Quran