In Defense of Paper Mario: The Origami King | A Fold Above The Rest
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Paper Mario has made the jump to the Nintendo Switch! Not without some controversy, though. Now that some time has passed, let's take a look at Paper Mario: The Origami King and see what's in store for our 2D heroes! #PaperMario #TheOrigamiKing #NintendoSwitch
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The interview with Tanabe makes me think that Nintendo is just restricting second and third party developers from making original characters to protect the integrity of THE BRAND. Odyssey is a main-line first party title so of course they'd allow the team to be as creative as they like. It's pretty clear that this is not a problem with the devs as it is with the higher ups at Nintendo.
Yep, Tanabe's bosses set the rules, and expect them to be followed. Even if they don't like it.
@@TheRealRidley12 its not the devs its Tanabe cause Miyamoto revealed how he had little to no involvement in Origami King
@@ericwijaya2119 Yeah, I don't know why I said that. Tanabe is the problem, and Paper Mario won't go back to being like the first two unless he's removed, either willingly or involuntarily.
@@ericwijaya2119 actually no? I'm pretty sure he was just ordered to do that
@@Mqstodon an article on Reddit stated that Miyamoto had little to no involvement in the development of modern Paper Mario games.
I cant actually show it tho cause i cant access Reddit.
I loved this game but I honestly feel like Nintendo is being too protective of the Mario universe. Yeah they make their own original characters with mainline games like Odyssey, but then they act like only first party mainline games can do that and second party games like these can't at all. It creates an odd double-standard, and then, as you pointed out, they don't even really stick to it that well. I guess the tree people are an extension of the hills that have been around forever but it's still weird that these rules exist and are also not hyperstrictly followed.
Still a great game though.
Whats even more weird is that games like Luigi’s mansion can have og characters. 3 had a lot.
I can agree with you on Nintendo being overprotective with Mario. To give my own example, I really loved the Mario Golf and Mario Tennis handheld games. Sure, you could say they were "Mario in-name only" but they had there charms.
I was really looking forward to see what would happen to the characters in the hypothetical sequel, "Mario Golf DS" and "Mario Tennis DS"... and I'm still waiting. :(
(this could also apply to the Mario Golf 64 characters as well)
@@tjlnintendo Luigi's mansion 3 even had Tanabe as the producer like the new paper mario games, so we know Tanabe isn't at least fully at fault here.
You can really notice how Alphadream had to struggle with this limitation after Dream Team. First they made the super-underwhelming Paper Jam, then they stuck to remaking their old games cause that apparently circumvents the No-new-characters-rule. It's a shame that that Nintendo's protective rules killed the Mario&Luigi franchise.
I think the rule is actually in reality: no second party studio can create new characters, and if there are characters, they need to be outliers like bosses, protagonists or antagonists, and cannot remain in future releases. Citizen characters (like toads) can’t be created from scratch unless Nintendo does it themselves.
The Mushroom Kingdom going to war against a Spitball Army is an incredibly funny concept on its own!!! And no surprise if it actually happens.
Imagine the battle system being a third person shooter.
@@blockyvids2 YES
With splatoon references
The story being Mario and Luigi having to hold a protest against it only to be overshadowed by the war would be fucking great
AntDude: "This was better than anything we got in the past 10 years!"
Me: (looks up Super Paper Mario release date; 2007) "Okay that'll pass!"
Yeah, don't worry, that was on purpose I believe.
yup
Origami King is frankly better than Super.
Super’s great but people only really care for it’s way 2 deep story.
I much prefer Origami King in every other department.
@@johndelkab2111 music super is a little bit better than ok but than is up to you
characters super
locations defiantly super
bowser & luigi super
peach & mario ok
gameplay ok is a little bit better than super but again its up to you
the closet one to the original games super
locations for me are origami king since it was more open and lively. Charachters super. Artstyle TOK, Bosses TOK, music TOK, gameplay TOK, bowser both were amazing idk tbh, story Super, peach and luigi Super
Ttyd fans: bring back the thousand year door combat system
Modern fans: we need more originality
Me: why can’t we have both and have original characters?
Because ttyd is overrated as hell and it's combat system is just the one from 64 with a different look, and changing it is extremely more interesting
@@Mqstodon so by your logic every sequel that builds on it's predecessor is just the same with a different look.
I think someone might be a tad biased lol
@@Mqstodon Story is only good there
@@Mqstodon the only thing I agree with is that ttyd is overrated
Edit: I finally got around to playing it and it’s now one of my favorite games of all time
You mean ttyd fans don’t want originality?
I love the little detail of Colored Pencils showing up for the first time and the little notification of "Capture taken." in the corner. Like, I can feel you just being "Lol, what the hell?" and taking a screenshot of it in your amused bewilderment.
It was in trailers tho
2 yrs later im giggling like mad at this comment
It's gonna be Paper Mario: Invasion of the Clayliens, calling it.
There's Claygons on the starboard bow.
@@christheleavittman7080 It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim!
@@cheezsteak2229 It's life Jim, but not as we know it.
kirby and the rainbow curse 2 ft. paper mario
Paper Mario: Stamp Champ.
(I stole this joke - it is not mine)
My favorite quote from that one livestream is “Unlike the other Paper Mario games, this game doesn’t have a world map.”
16:10 So the Paper Mario equivalent of giving Mario a gun. I'm down.
In the paper mario context, its chewing up pieces your body to spit them at enemies
I am a huge paper Mario fan and paper Mario 64 was one of my very first games to play. I have been craving a good paper Mario forever and after seeing the origami king, I became so happy. Playing it, made very very very engaged with the story and I found myself very much invested. I love it and I feel it’s the sequel of the thousand year door! Very grateful for the game!
Peach: ...Should the mushroom kingdom unfold and be refolded...?
AntDude: Pssh, no.
Peach: ...Will you crease yourself and be reborn like me...?
AntDude: Let me see, NO!
Peach: What about those... toads? Shouldn’t they be silenced for all eternity...?
AntDude: You drive a hard bargain.
Toads aren't actually that annoying. The public just overdid their voices and ended up making it annoying.
A really hard bargain.
@@rodrigomorales563 nah they used to not be annoying but the voices they gave the toads changed and got more and more annoying over time
Since ttyd is getting a remake, i might as well get it out of the way
Origami king would have been much more appreciated if it was outside of the paper mario franchise
Antdude, you misunderstand the interview answers. They are not allowed to modify PRE EXISTING SPECIES. They can put hats on if they wanted to and they did dress up a few in Oragami King. The body shape, standard features of the species cannot be modified. They are allowed to create New charatcers, like the talking trees, because they are a NEW SPECIES. Odyssey also adhered to these rules. All the different creatures in Odyssey were original species, there is not a single pre existing species on Odyssey that breaks this rule. I agree that the rule is dumb in the first place but I feel this is important to correct you on.
But bro Tanabe literally said "We aren't allowed to create original characters that touch on the Mario universe" that literally means new species
@@Fooza05 Yes, new species that tie into the Mario universe. All of the unique characters they've created from Sticker Star have been one offs and are not new established species'. It's a paint can, some office supplies and some generic trees.
@@shaankelly1302 Now that's the correct way of putting it but here's the thing. You're telling me the NPCs from Odyssey don't scream Mario? Same with the Origami Siblings too. Idk maybe I'm misinterpreting things here. Doesn't help that like, most of the TTYD NPCs too don't even remotely look like people from the Mario universe. I swear this statement gave me more questions than answers haha
Does the Tropical Wiggler count, or is that a new species?
@@Fooza05 I do consider the NPCs from Odyssey to be Mario. I think Tanabe is just misunderstanding the rule and could've put more original characters in if he wanted too.
I see the Paper Mario universe in 2 ways
The first 3 games take place in the real world and it's mario telling us a story of an adventure he went on
The latest 3 games is a whole new universe made of arts and crafts
While paper jam is both universes colliding
Also we must protect the following characters
Bleck
Bobby
Huey
Vivian
The ending made me cry
I can't be the only one
It was very heartwarming and the soundtrack is amazing
I bawled.
i would die for olivia. her cracking up at mario in the oversized goomba helmet was one of the cutest things in my recent video game history
I gotta say , its nice to know Oragami King was getting much more of a positive reception than the other recent entries.
origami king is somehow worse than color splash
Garett Drake get out
@@garretdrake2347 get out
@@garretdrake2347 OUT! just get out of here
Curious, but why do you like that's it's getting a more positive reception, if you don't have a stake on it?
13:36 Please... don’t remind me, it still hurts...
IT'S. NOT. DEAD! :D
Good news!
Imagine your first paper Mario game being sticker star
This post was made by me my first paper Mario game was sticker star
Same
Mine was Color Splash it makes me annoyed when people hate it
@@snakeisofthemenu2666 color splash was good I just think the combat wasn't good but the humor was perfect
About the whole character creation.
Its subcompanies that are barred from making original chars based on already existing species. Not the main companies. (And paper mario is done by another sub department with own copyright). Nintendo IP department is being stupid, so original toads/koopas etc are not allowed. However, original species that does not change lore or origin of already existing ones, are allowed. So no new color bob-ombs. But new species with new hats and designs are ok.
Its basically Nintendo saying people can't be creative or "potentially disturb" their established world and species rules.
Paper Mario: Fortune Teller Fiasco
Paper Mario: Sheet Storm (Rhythm based combat with the emphasis on timing and the beat)
Paper Mario/Scibblenauts/Drawn To Life Crossover
As someone who never manage to beat a paper mario game till "The Origami King" (mostly with it due to me being very young and not smart enough to understand how action adventure games work), This game wad a overall *joy* to play from beginning to end! Sure there were some cons to it, but those surely get outweigh by the pros! The combat, I really like it, sure there were some certain frustrating segments, but again, the jou overweighs the sorrows. So yeah, I overall had a good time.
P.S. I've only ever played 2 other Paper Marios in the series, and as I said earlier, i never managed to beat them, mainsotry wise, either way those 2 are:
● Super Paper Mario (I was only able to see the rest of the game because I watched my brothers play it every chance I got)
● Paper Mario Sticker Star (I was young so I didn't know game reviews back then to know that game that I couldn't get past the 1st half of was actually trash)
I think you know which is worth more my time if I do plan of fianlly beating it. Main-story-wise.
Can see why you couldn't beat sticker star
Sticker star is honestly obtuse as heck, seriously how is sticker star meant to be beaten without a guide
After playing through The Origami King, if I could describe it in one word it would be "reluctant".
The game is *chef's kiss* but throughout this grand adventure I felt that there were lots of elements that make this "action adventure game" just scream RPG. It constantly felt like the devs are reluctant to just embrace Paper Mario's past and held back on truly letting the series shine, but for old fans' sake they gave us a little something, but not enough. Like I said: Reluctant.
Paper Mario: The Origami King was, as an old Paper Mario fan, the game that made me respect the new ideas, you know? The paper aesthetic, wacky mechanics and just overall different feeling from the original games, but it is also the game that made me realize that, aside from meaning that we will not get another TTYD, the paper mario series can accommodate for both new and old fans. It can become something even greater than TTYD if the devs weren't so reluctant and embraced what Paper Mario was as an RPG and what it is today as an "action adventure game".
This game feels, plays and screams RPG, but the devs don't let it shine. You could truly do some wonderful stuff with the ring system if you mixed it with the partners and engaging combat of TTYD, for example. And how about you stop making freaking Toads the only Mario species and start making your own or even paper forms of the ones that don't have one? Starbunnies, Lumas, Bees from Galaxy, the tree guys from Galaxy 2, gearbots, Tostarenans, Nokis, Shiverians, Volbonans, Bubblanians, Lochladies, Bonneters, Tropical Wigglers, Piantas, Moe-eyes, Jaxis, Steam Gardeners and many more because that alone would make the world a million times more interesting than what it is right now.
The ideas are there, they just need to put in the effort to do something even greater. I know they are able to do something more fantastic, something that is truly mindblowing and mindboggling, something that deserves the rating of an 11/10. Let them do their crazy and skeptical-at-first-glance ideas, that's great, but I think it's possible to embrace Old Paper Mario and New Paper Mario at the same time to create Godlike Paper Mario.
"He can definitely make an *impact*"
Those how played the game get's it.
“Look at what game has, not what it doesn’t”
That is a great line, because that’s exactly what people don’t do with Sticker Star. Yes, I’m sorry that I’m a Sticker Star supporter. Sticker Star definitely had flaws, like confusing puzzles, but everything else I thought was pretty good. I don’t really care for partners, as you constantly had stickers that could add some extra flair to things, like a Frog Suit, or a Koopa Troopa Sticker. And I think that it was fine that we had one time uses for the stickers as well, because not only were you finding new stickers like every minute, but also it gave some strategy for the stickers that you were using. Do you want to waste your rare sticker on an enemy? Or do you save it for later? I personally really like that. I also think that the unoriginal areas and characters are totally fine, because with it coming right after Super, that definitely changed the gameplay, it’s like they were mixing two ideas together. A 3D platformer, like 3D Land or the NSMB series, but also having that RPG type element to it with a little spice to change it up. And, yes I’ve played both PM 64 and TTYD, and I thought they were really good, so it’s not like I don’t understand what makes a good Paper Mario game. I just think that they were trying to spice things up, and break a battle system because of SPM. And not to hate on SPM, since that game looks awesome, it just tried something different the series hadn’t done before.
I’m probably going to make a lot of people mad, but sorry, that’s my opinion
Main thing I wish to know, is how to make the models in the game. I’d assume not but, I can dream.
15:46 I don’t like how this jumped to blaming the developers and not any possible higher ups.
Origami King's ending got me so emotional
“Funny haha moments”
That’s the most Alpharad’s sentence I have heard outside his channel.
Was it just me or did anyone else almost cry when the bom-omb exploded
11:10 yeah he Really should be protected
0:47 If there's one opinion we *MUST* share, it's that one! As AntDude once said, "No video covering Paper Mario without knocking that game (Sticker Star) at least once."
I liked sticker star
I really enjoyed this game when it came out and will probably re-visit it in the coming year or so. The world was SO much fun to explore, and while I wasn’t as big of a fan of the combat system, it was still engaging enough to keep me going the whole time.
I’ve only really had a gripe with the bosses. Despite never playing this, I found the bosses unique and thematic, yet boring. The only bosses I like are rubber band, who has hella personality, and the vellumentals.
Your thoughts on Paper Mario: The Origami King are the most spot-on I’ve seen! It truly is an amazing game that deserves to at the very least be given a chance by those who are cynical.
played it, its meh. Doesn't hold a candle to the first 3.
You are right! We need more original battle system super easy storyline and spectacular battle by any mean.
@@jaretco6423 Still isn't saying much though, it's still horrible.
@@DynoMikeGaming god im tired of stupid comments like this one
@@juanmanikings the truth hurts, Nintendo half asses their paper mario series now-a-days. Played through the game once and never will again.
I actually cried when Bobby died
You should have put an spoiler alert
Imagine the battle system, but your left stick is always drifting. I had to deal with this up until the final boss. It effects the entire game.
I loved The Origami King so, so much. It's just such a pleasure to PLAY! Its fun.
0:47 Correction: Sticker Star is mediocre.
Correction: it's 100% subjective so he's still correct
The legion of stationary are all objects used to make origami, so from that standpoint, the main bosses do make sense
I actually still consider this franchise a RPG. It just has action adventure elements.
You...like the battle system?
I saw so many people the love this game yet most of them agree the battles suck, and those who dont like it usually use the battle system as their biggest complaint. I genuenly thought i was the only one who liked it. I actually think yhe game would be better without turn based combat and with expanded real time battles instead to go along with the action platforming amd exploration of the oit of batlle stuff, but i genuenly liked the way they did it and am happy you did so too!
It honestly reminds me a bit of Yoshi's Cookie, which I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned much, if at all.
I liked the turn based part, the puzzles were fun to solve
I dont dislike the combat half... its just simple and boring. Theres very few boot and hammer types
Yes theres the items, but outside pow blocks they still use jump and Hammer attack areas
Nah, I liked it a lot too. I remember making a reddit post defending it hoping a few more people would give it a chance as well. I still don't fully comprehend the negativity surrounding it. It seems making the core combat a literal puzzle grinds a lot of peoples gears.
@@OriginalGameteer Yeah, my biggest complaint with the combat system is that there wasn't another combat type outside of hammer and boots. I think that would have made the attack phase of the combat a tad more enjoyable
My problem with it is that it doesn't really add anything to make it more interesting, they all feel the same
Colored Pencils: **appeared**
AntDude: **Picture Taken**
Paper Mario
Wowie! Someone actually gives this paper Mario a chance without bringing up the thousand year door like every 2 seconds that’s insane
Yea but funny jokes aside this game is actually really good. Honestly I’m happy we got this
thats not a joke!
Anhilo I wish it was :’(
Wish it was like ttyd or something new and not this garbage
Timestamps:
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0:00 Intro.
1:36 Slight Overveiw of what is to come.
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1:43 Getting into the actual game.
2:53 FINNALY! A ACTUAL OTHER VILLIAN THAT JUST BOWSER EVERY TIME!!!
3:31 Funny(joke) bit #1
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4:28 Huh! Neat battle gimmick/idea:
5:17 RING PRACTICE!!!
6:56 Boss time!!!!!
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8:08 I play TOK fully through, beginning to the end. And yet, I have yet to understand if that statment is true. Someone help please?
8:25 Mini-Boss appreciation.
8:38 Funny(joke)bit #2.
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9:08 Shogun Studios/other places shenanigans.
9:51 Other things you can do if the adventure gets boring.
10:36 YAY! I GET SOME FRIENDS!!!!
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11:41 Plot stuff and other bulls**t.
12:45 "Local gaming community pissed off about a interview. Police involved."
13:47 Little details Antdude missed during gameplay.
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15:08 *PLAY THE DAMN GAME ALREADY!!*
15:50 What other game ideas have they not used? We still want this game series ya'know!
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16:14 and... OUTRO!!
You are welcome btw!
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Antdude: 1:13 I really enjoyed Color Splash
The entire Paper Mario fan base: YOU *WHAT?*
64: Fine
TTYD: Never played. Looks fun.
SPM: Good
SS: No
CS: Good
TOK: Fine
Never played: 1
No: 1
Fine: 2
Good: 2
Amazing: 0
You have bad taste
0:55
Chuggaaconroy would be proud
What? Sticker star was fine! Sure it wasnt as big or explorative as thousand year door or the original 64 game for that matter... But you have to remember this is a 3ds game. It make sense that the first portable paper mario isnt as expansive as tbe console counterparts... But sticker star all in all is a decent game. Also speed running sticker star is actuallly REALLY interesting. Sure you cant exploit glitches like the other games... But you can have some interesting speedrun strats for sticker star. You can try to grind for good stickers early to make the later game faster, you can choose to make it to the last level of each world then instead of fighting the boss you can then take the needed stickers to do the next worlds and then do all the bosses right before the final world and youll blow through all the bosses early and in one fellow swoop with stickers from the later worlds. Say what you will about collecting stickers being stupid, or simple but it works for a 3ds game. I cant believe people hate on it and compare it to the console released but its obviously not going to be the same due to system hardware differences so dont overly compare sticker star to other games since fundamentally its going to be different. Also sticker star has the best soundtrack of any paper mario game (Fight me TTYD loyalists!)
I won’t fight you cause i dont have time for idiots
@@jumpyman9754 Well thats not very nice
@@jumpyman9754 Maybe you should not respond meanly if you disagree with my opinion you are entitled to yours and I am entitled to mine. No need to personally attack me because of it. Chill ok?
@@quint866 chill ok
@@jumpyman9754 Alright sorry
3:18 - I see what you did there. 🙃
...how dare you. 😐
I love how he referenced Caddicarus with "The world is made of bricks."
Now I wanna hear Anthony's thoughts on Bug Fables...
Lets just face it, we will never get another Paper Mario game like the first three.
I only played one other Paper Mario game before I played Origami King (being Super Paper Mario, which I thoroughly enjoyed), so I didn't have as strong an opinion on this game as some did when it was announced. I saw the trailer, I thought it looked pretty cool, and that was that. Then, my little brother got the game for his birthday, and he let me play it. I instantly fell in love with the game, and even beat the entire thing in a few days! The battle mechanic is ingenious, and the music is stunning, not to mention the characters are interesting and I was really invested in a lot of them! Needless to say, I was blown away with how amazing this game is! My opinion and personal views on this game are probably very different from others' since I don't share the same history with the series as most people do, but that doesn't matter to me. This game isn't about 'staying true' to the original games, it's about being unique, trying something different, and I personally think Nintendo nailed that aspect. People should put their opinions aside and really take a good look at the game itself, not just compared to the rest of the series, because then they would see the masterpiece that is Paper Mario: The Origami King.
Tenabe's game philosophy [although paraphrased] is "I do not and will not care what the fans say, I'll just make what I think the people would like."
Overall, PM:TOK makes sense in regards to the Paper aesthetic. PM64 laid out the groundwork, PM:TYD improved upon the graphics, mechanics, and plot development, SPM focused primarily on the aspect of dimensions (2-D vs. 3-D, Parallel dimensions vs. Perpendicular dimensions, etc.), PM:SS focused on the aspect of how stickers work (enough said), PM:CS focused on how the use of color can impact paper, and PM:TOK focused on how folding paper can change it into something new and unique! As for the game itself, there are some hits and misses in regards to the dialog, and there is at least one Game Destroying Glitch to watch out for, but the music, the story, and graphics are beyond impressive! Definitely give this game a try if you haven't already.
also, praise sticker star music
Color, splash socks I normally can. I never get my hands on it just looking at it looks bad.
So glad to see such a raving review. This game is incredible! Love how expansive the world felt with such creative and rich new locations to explore. Goes to show that we can still reach the heights of the first 3 entries in the series 🤌🏽
I feel like Thousand Year Door is a safe word for any counter arguments regarding of the Paper Mario series at this point.
12:46 the kamek theme in sticker star is now tanabe's theme change my mind
AntDude: "What can we possibly milk out of paper GOT IT!"
Me: What are you spit-balling here?
AntDude:
Sticker star is not bad
Monsieur ploof : next paper mario will get origamis
Nintendo : yes
Antdude : sPiTBaLls
If there's spitballs in the next paper mario I'm gonna find you... Anthony Duderson.
Paper Mario 64 & TTYD are my favorite RPGs too but man, these fans have got to let go of the past. Origami King is good, even if it doesn’t feature partners with hats it’s still an amazing game. Great review, Dude!
I’m sure it’s great. I just wish that having it didn’t mean the one I really like is cancelled forever.
13:47 Notices the one Peach is from 64... doesn't acknowledge the other pictures are from TTYD, Super, SS and CS as well.
The world is made of bricks
I see that you watch cadicarus
Your a man a culture
This game is easily one of my most loved Paper Mario games of all times. No, one of my most loved Mario spinoff games of all time. I started like everyone, already mourning the bad direction the developers seemingly did. And for the first few days, sure, it felt like another color splash.
The batte system looked boring (and still is, the puzzle system is fun in the ring battle but going through a story and having to rearrange the circles over and over just for a few coins is tedious. If something I would have loved having this system alongside badges) and the lack of characters was bothering me (toads, toads everywhere!)
But as soon as I encountered the first boss (actually the second one, the crayon legion) it started becoming very funny and interesting and I started wanting to see more. And the game became more and more amazing as it went by. After finishing the shogun studios I've basically became hooked to the game.
Now I've finished the game 100% and am very content with it. It has one of the best storylines (after Super) and probably the best overworld. Having everything revolving around paper is a genius idea, I would love having more of that in further games. The paper people do not die anymore; instead they are cut/folded/scribbled/burnt etc. This is the epitome of paper Mario!
Frankly one of the best games of 2020. Still waiting for a true rpg but this one is rad.
I just neat the game a few days ago and finally 100% it. I agree, this is a solid paper Mario. I laughed, I cried. This was a game i was able to get invested into. (Even if at first i didn't enjoy those singing trees haha). The world, the music, the gameplay, it's all so fun to go through. I'll still be sour over Sticker Star. Though this makes up for its existence lol.
This came out while I beat dark samus in Metroid prime 2
Nice
Bro that’s poggers
Everyone: I hate Paper Mario Color Splash!
Also everyone: *Use’s Paper Mario Color Splash music*
Currently playing thru Origami King...
Never played any of the Paper Mario games, and Origami King is my first time with the series.
I could be totally wrong on this, but my interpretation of the interview is that design wise, they are no longer allowed to make actually new variants of existing Mario characters or species. So they are allowed to dress them up in original outfits like the Sombrero Shy Guy or Ninja outfits on Toads, but their underlining design must still resemble their official design, meaning they can no longer do something like Goombella with her pink body, one fang and hair, or Bobbery with his unique fuse, beard and ship wheel wind-up key. This might also explained why a lot of enemies like Boos and Dry Bones got redesigns in Sticker Star onward to more closely resemble traditional designs.
Likewise, it seems like they CAN make new characters, but if they don't follow the above restrictions, then they must be something completely unique from the existing designs. So stuff like a sentient sticker crown, or a living paint bucket, or talking/singing trees. And likewise, for whatever reason, it seems like they aren't allowed to use their old original designs for some arbitrary reason? Admittedly some of them like the Piders were a bit redundant, but I don't see the need to remove so many more distinct designs like the Clefts or Bristles.
I do think even with these limitations, assuming that these are the actual limits, they can do a lot of really neat and creative stuff, but they definitely need to put more effort into mixing things up more. Having Mario enemies as NPCs is a great first step, but if Nintendo insists on these limitations, I'd like to see more characters from stuff like Sunshine or Galaxy or Odyssey make an appearance to help stave off the constant Toad fatigue everyone has.
I'm pretty sure new characters are only allowed if they're so far-removed from the "normal" characters to render them completely alien. Hence why the new bosses are realistically-rendered objects and the new villain and vellumentals are made of Origami. I feel like the trees in the Whispering Woods were probably a bit of a gray area, but maybe execs thought THAT battle was simply too petty to fight. The exception to this rule seem to be including a single new assistant character in every game, so Mario has a way of communicating with NPCs in the story.
I still don't get wh they limit character to classic mario games tho. Like, characters from Sunshine until Odyssey are not valid either? NPC Piantas or races from Galaxy or Odyssey , even by themselves without changes, would do so much for variaty in the design of characters.
@@jowysw I think by classic they mean the 2d platformers (for npcs), though Galaxy makes since given yknow they're aliens with no reason to suddenly be in the mushroom kingdom (after all Octoombas reappeared in a space level)
Enemeis dont appear to be the case to a degree given we got Stingbees
As for the trees... given there arent talking trees in any main mario game they could probably get away with it
I mean if there is an area where they can make separate and unique characters without breaking these "rules" then we can only hope later Nintendo will stop these restrictions all together when the designers figure out fully how to get around this.
@@OriginalGameteer to be fair for Galaxy the end of Galaxy 1 showed that all of the races Mario met were in the mushroom kingdom after Rosalina did some stuff so I guess they could use that excuse. Although the Mario series is not one that cares about story much.
And apperanly that ban on characters is more noticiable with NPCs than enemies too? Weird...
For the trees I guess they used the excuse that in Mario World was quite normal for the background to have eyes on mountains and trees so it could be justified that way?
"When the world is currently made of bricks" nice Caddy reference
The thing he turned into
BlockMan From Megaman 11: Did anyone call me?
No please he’s awful
RIP Caddy's marriage with Bricks
@@Evan.280 no you THINK he is awful. Other people like him so don't say he IS awful
Nintendo is a cruel mistress...
Fans: “Can we get a better *turn based* battle system?”
Nintendo: *hits blunt* “Lmao watch this”
Well, I'd say TOK's battle system is more unique and a bit better in the sense of it than just being plain.
TheTopHatBox Oh for sure! I would take TOK’s unique battle system over sticker star or Color Splash any day.
I just find it hilarious that Nintendo would make a pun out of genre. Kind of like having a FPS game be about a scientist who measures Feet per Second
Nintendo: ... Say no more
@MultiTarded it has a progression system alright, they get progressively more difficult until you hit a brick wall with figuring them out on your own.
I wish the regular battles were as clever as the boss battles.
There were like 2 enemies with mix-ups/gimmicks.
Every boss battle had a gimmick/mix-up.
Gotta tell you, I had no idea the game was divisive until I finished playing it and went online. I literally watched the trailer, thought “that looks fun”, bought it, played it and found it thoroughly enjoyable.
Goes to show the benefits gained by turning off the internet and just experiencing something on your own terms
Nooo, you did it wrong! By forming your own opinion, you didn't let other people invent an opinion for you, and as a result you didn't join the war as a piddling slave against our nemesis, opinions-that-aren't-ours! Everyone conforming and being part of the same group without using their own brains is literally all that matters!!!
My uncle got it for me cause I seen the trailer and liked it
First game I played of the series, and I enjoy it for what it is, witty, fun, and cute. That’s all it really needs. Though I did find the puzzles boring at first…
I applaud this. I mean it's one of those things right like Wind Waker I didn't know I was supposed to hate it I just played it as a kid back in the day and loved it. I didn't have the access we have now to have someone's fully formed opinion typed in a limited amount of characters to a funny bird app telling me "Nope it's not OOT so bad" of course now Wind Waker stands on its own and holds up well so I'm interested to hear how this game does in 5 years time.
I agree I was hesitant at first then I just end up really liking the game it was more enjoyable than a Thousand Year old Door to be honest.
The Paper Mario franchise has literally been treated like paper, being folded into all sorts of different ideas, even if it didn't pan out too well.
That's the best way I can describe the way this series has unfolded.
But just like real paper
Once the paper is unfolded you can still see the old fold-marks
(though the game is good, we still remember how bad the past 2 paper mario games were, and this game has its own ups and downs. Not as good as the original or ttyd, but a good improvement from the other two)
(and the fact that they are no longer making unique characters is also sad)
@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 My only experience with Paper Mario goes only as far as the demo of Thousand Year Door, and the first chapter of Super Paper Mario.
But hopefully, that will change soon.
Ok how much thought did you put into this comment cause damn!
@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 "But just like real paper
Once the paper is unfolded you can still see the old fold-marks
(though the game is good, we still remember how bad the past 2 paper mario games were, and this game has its own ups and downs. Not as good as the original or ttyd, but a good improvement from the other two)"
That's a great way to think about it.
@@NatetendoOfficial The original commenter isn't saying that it has, but merely comparing it to unfolding real-life origami.
I’ve been playing through this game recently and I’ve been having an absolute blast. The original Paper Mario is my favorite game of all time and Origami King is bringing me the same feelings of joy that the original did. (‘:
No depressing backstories.... NO DEPRESSING BACKSTORIES!? did you not play the game? I'm sorry but theres a literal SUI**** in this game...
"Now, I really enjoyed color splash."
TTYD fans: *Impossible*
I actually like sticker star.
That's the Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself of paper Mario.
@@Xetheon I thought sticker star was ok
@@Xetheon Why did you like it?
@@Melkac it's decent, not good, decent.
@@Xetheon I mean, you do know opinions exist right?
There is nothing in this multiverse that can explain the adrenaline rush you receive from beating scissors as paper.
Their gonna make a book about it, and then probably a movie everyone will hate.
I got one. Beating the shadow queen
i remember using DK's wind-up punch to beat Master Hand during his slap; pretty sweet adrenaline rush ;)
I might know one: Soul Melter EX from Kirby Star Allies.
Either that or playing Config Mode from the OG Kirby with one hit point and one life.
In a world where everything on the internet seems to be so negative and deconstructive, it's really nice to have this channel as a consistent source of positive vibes and criticism. Thanks for all you do, and keep up the good work.
“The world is currently made of bricks”
Caddicarus said that... WAIT
The Bricks left Caddy to be with their true love...
...an ant guy.
Yeah I said that to myself when he said it, but hey they're like friends and we constantly see them collaberate
@@gustavomonne2860 I honestly thought bricks left Caddy for his EVIL TWIN BADDY
I actually thought about making this comment
When you realize two of your favorite shows are in the same universe
“You got Bobby the Bob-Omb, who is great, and should be protected at all costs.”
ha
ha ha
ha ha ha
*sobbing*
I think I actually had a mental breakdown when I heard that
He ded
Thanks for the fuse, best bud...
Our poor Bobby🙁
and it was at this moment when peace stopped being an option
Antdude: the world is made of bricks
PLOT TWIST!!! The bricks cheated on caddy with antdude
@Bini Lover ok, it's fine if you don't like caddy, but can you quit spamming and stop being annoying about it?
@Bini Lover WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! He's not a pedophile!
@Bini Lover And what does that have to do with caddicarus?!
@@rodrigomorales563 From what I could tell, Alax got accuse of rape, and the accuser doesn't have any concrete evidence, Innocence until proven guilty. I'm not getting more involved with the situation so you go and research that yourself.
@@legiaanh4828 No, I know about THAT. And I'm sure these accusations are false. But marx over here is talking about pedophilia, which isn't what happened at all.
10:49 "and once they fulfill that purpose, they go away." Yeah... Bobby goes away... *sure lets go with that*
The aftermath when you have to have mario the therapist make olivia feel better is just Heartbreaking
@@Danny-rg1ux sounds like a job for Dr. Mario
This game is what caused me to stop paying attention to gaming media entirely. Whining and blowing shit waaaaaaay out of proportion has got to stop. These are video games. They are for fun, and guess what, they are not required to live. I know, shocker.
That said, this game was way more charming than anticipated. I enjoyed it. I don't feel like I need to play it all the way through a second time, and that is fine. I do feel like it was a tad too long, and that is fine too
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks the same thing as well!
"Finally! We get a villain who isn't Bowser in this game!"
{Count Bleck and Dimentio sit in a corner, sobbing}
I don't think the neither the general pubic or even nintendo themselves really understand the potential bowser has to be a legitimately great villain.
@@rodrigomorales563 Bowser was pretty intimidating in 64 -- IMO maybe have him team up like what they did with Antasma in Dream Team but at least make it more interesting.
AAAAAND THE SHADOW QUEEN
@@zjzr08 I’d say Dream Team had something going by having him betray Antasma, and in Paper Jam, he’s a lot more destructive than the average Mario game.
Next game; Bowser gets a personal assistant/life coach, and becomes more successful and efficient, making him dangerous by default.
I'm gonna say it right now, I think there's one thing literally EVERYONE can agree with for this game
This game has a PHENOMENAL soundtrack, Event Battle, Origami Castle, and Autumn Mountain's Battle Theme slap
Don't forget the tranquil pipes teahouse theme, maple tree way is a bop
You, How do I find you so fast
might as well subscribe
Don't you guys dare forget the scissors theme
What about the fanged fastener?
14:56 Also, the 7 Star Spirits appear in Mario Party 5, not in paper form either. And Bowser’s castle from the first Paper Mario is also seen in a Rainbow Road course, in Mario Kart: Super Circuit. Both games I never played but know thanks to the internet (and a box cover for MP5 which I remembered from one time long ago).
So yeah, the Paper Mario games also influenced some other Mario spinoffs too.
Still waiting for your review of Mario and Luigi: Dream Team. I played the entirety of that game again on hard mode just so I can see that video come out.
You're nuts. I like that
I loved dream team its my favorite the the dream world was way better then running around inside bowser which got boring after a while and the music is great
Wise Jabroni Especially the final boss theme
Dream Team is sorely underrated imo, all because people got bent out of shape by the hand holding in the first couple hours. It's my favorite in the series for sure
I hated Dream Team, and I’m not saying this just to have a different opinion.
The rule about modifying characters and creating OC's really feels weird, because when I played the rest of the game with that in mind, it felt like that was a rule Tanabe was working around instead of deliberately trying to adhere to. I don't know. Go back and read through Bobby's arc, and it feels like it's lampshading that rule. He's a character with a compelling story, but he keeps defying Olivia's attempts at making him stand out and feel unique. She wants to give him a name, and he says no, and he keeps emphasizing the fact that all Bob-ombs are identical and live short lives. She's trying to elevate his character and make him feel unique and valued, and he keeps putting that down and saying that he's just a copypaste enemy.
I feel like there's more going on behind the scenes with that stupid design rule than what was said in that interview. All I know is that a good game got made despite that rule, so there's some clever people on that development team, and I want to see what else they can come up with. I really do hope that they at least bother with some other NPC's besides Toads the next time. Mario has a lot of different characters and monsters. The Snifit and Monty Mole areas were great, and I want to see it go a bit further.
Yeah man, I had a similar impression when it comes to Bobby. It's also referenced again later when all the Bob-Ombs board Bowser's ship and Olivia mistakes another generic Bob-Omb for Bobby.
They managed to make a good game with those restriction. Imagine how great the game could have been without those restrictions. Such a big waste of potential and creativity.
Yeah, it's oretty clear that the team tried designing a game around the rule and pushing the envelope as much as they possible cound under the circumstances. "Look, this isn't an ACTUAL elderly Koopa, he's just cosplaying!" And "This Bob-omb isn't ACTUALLY named Bobby, it's just a mistake on Olivia's part!" The fact that most people refer to the character as "Bobby" rather than "Bob-omb" is pretty telling that Intelligent Systems knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
@@alfasilverblade Honestly thats the reason me and a lot of others are a little salty at the game, Its not Blind love for TTYD and 64 its this fact, they Have it they have the creativity and hit all the notes its just one little thing holding it back from hitting a home run out of the park,
@@donkeykong75m Thats why Bug Fable exist. Its rich with lore and creativity. You can "tattle" every characters in the game and all 3 of your characters have something to say about everyone. No boring silent protagonist and unnamed generic characters in Bug Fables.
"the series has never been cinematic before" Whoop, that'll trigger the Paper Mario purists alright rofl
Truthfully, I honestly feel like this is the best Paper Mario game we've gotten since Super. The story is surprisingly gripping (and even kind of disturbing when you really analyze ... certain things that happen later), the world is just beautiful with how it's rendered and designed, and I'm convinced the staff are fully aware of the hate the last two games get because I also feel this has some of the most passive aggressive dialogue the series has had, and I love it.
(also honestly, "Sticker Star is not a good game" might as well just be "You're not allowed to like Sticker Star")
I think he said that because the cutscenes of Origami King look like a movie scene.
i feel like youre getting a little too salty here
I said the game is good. How is that being salty?
Yeah some of the things that happen in this game are actually pretty disturbing. I’d specify what, but I don’t wanna get in trouble of spoiling some of the things that happen in this game.
Project harder. No one in the known universe is calling classic Paper Mario "cinematic."
“Spitball Showdown” is something Nintendo would probably do.
probably the next release will be paper mache
DCrispy1990 They just did that
No, not really, a couple of enemy’s yes, but not the whole aesthetic
DCrispy1990 But they still did some, it wouldn’t be new if it was a whole new game
@@somerandomguy5097 Just like how they folded enemies in sticker star, and did it again in origami king.
However I still agree they should come up with something entirely new.
"This franchise is not an RPG one anymore"
Then why did it keep using RPG ideas like turn-based battles? If you want to be action-adventure, like a Zelda or Metroid game, don't bother with turn-based battles and attempts at convincing us it's an RPG. Nintendo literally tried to advertise SS as a return to roots after SPM, only for it to be even less of an RPG since SPM at least had EXP.
Okay, but Origami King never advertised itself as an RPG.
Spoilers:
spoilers:
final warning:
i cant believe they killed my precious little cream puff!!!!! she brought a light into this world and is too good for us!
Olivia did not deserve to die.
I honestly loved this game
Some particular moments were especially good, even if one made me sad