NAM @ 2:47 PMaster @ 3:21 Noise to signal ratio makes the difference, if you use a decent noise gate and Adjust the eq before you upload it inside the pocket then it will match. Don't ask too much for a $60-$70 IR and capture loader, if you really want something better and will give you confidence live. Get a NDSP nano or something.
@@kel5944 pocket master is stereo, ping pong delays, stereo Chorus, and what really impressed me is the stereo tremolo. Incredible. You can also move effects in the signal chain, which is why I chose the pocket master.
It sounds amazing! It has now replaced my Tone X One. I have a second one on order so I can run all amp captures and can the IR block and wet FX on the second unit. MIDI is also in the works so you can control it with the Chocolate
hey, thanks for the video. I've been 'survailing' this one for a while now. But i'll wait for the MIDI implementation. I hope you make another video when they do that update. Are you able to tell me what are the different meters for the drum/metronome? I am looking for odd stuff... like 5/8 , 7/8 .. 11/8 . thanks again
Reading elitist comments is hilarious. I appreciate engineering for the forrest, not the trees. That nam sounded crap, but overall this is going to be awesome for my synths and drum machines. And definitely usable as a space saving multieffects.
Valeton GP-5 runs NAM captures too! So HoTone will probably have it soon too! I wish sonicake would uodate their older hardware like original matribox to run NAMs too
I wonder what the internal sample rate is on the GP-5. If its 48khz it will automatically sound more correct than this device due to the math error in the sample rate difference (48khz NAM mode VS 44.1khz sample rate in this device).
@ How did you do the comparison. Are they both using the same audio interface or both direct to DAW? This isnt a very good comparison. Because I know this thing sounds as good as Tone X. I also get this is live rig verses a PC Plug. People have to realize this is not even close to a fair comparison
@ To do this right you need to send both signals to a speaker dial them in to match then bring the signal back to an audio device that both run that get equal processing treatment. All you did here was show that the audio interface isnt the same. But also this is a MFX unit so its adding things. I bet you can dial this in better to sound the same.
When you set it up as an interface did you make audio adjustments inside the Pocket Master. As there is a menu specific for this. Im wonding if your were clipping?
DAC will absolutely not explain the tonal difference. As someone has pointed out, the device seems to run at 44.1Khz, but most captures are for 48Khz. The "darker" tone is a result of running the model at a lower samplerate.
This is true! And of course I didn't tweak EQ. So it would be possible to try to match better the EQ Curve, but even tho, there is still differences in the compression level! Cheers mate!
@@RiffsRigs It's going to have bigger problems than just EQ difference. More aliasing, and generally the model just won't behave as expected. If you're using full-rig models with cab included, the peaks and valleys int he cabinet response will be at the wrong frequencies. You can't fix that with an EQ. The question is; does the processor in the unit still have enough CPU cycles left over to perform the samplerate conversion necessary to correct this? :)
I noticed an issue with the EQ profile between your A/B test. It looks like the Pocket Master is not accounting for the 48khz vs 44.1khz difference between the NAM profile and the devices internal sample rate. Hopefully the developer can account for that and fix the math. I have pictures of my findings in the original Neural Amp Modeler facebook group in your post about this vide. Very excited to see NAM working in such a small and inexpensive device! I hope they can solve the tonal differences issue.
@ Oh, this wasnt a user error thing. This is a math issue with the programming. There is a difference in sample rate and its affecting the way the NAM model gets interpreted. This happened to the earlier version of Steve Atkinsons NAM plugin, as well. When you lower the sample rate, it lowers the EQ profile so a NAM capture made at 48khz sounds "darker" when played through a 44.1khz system that doesnt correct for the sample rate difference. Im hoping the developer is able to adjust for this.
I am waiting for Tank Pro (Blackbox with Looper and capabilities to store more profiles)or MK300 depending on price. I’m Looking at 2 different options now. The Valeton GP 5 (anyone remember coral amp trash?) and the Harley Benton GNA git core or and Ge150 variant. I feel I already have this for free with GE labs but the 80 sec looper has Me 😮. Please help Me! I need more rigs! ANN AMX profiles please! Tell Me how!
Hell it sounds better than the PC player LOL. There are otherthings going on adding more flavors with the FX chain. Plus you can EQ it to match the PC app
NAM @ 2:47
PMaster @ 3:21
Noise to signal ratio makes the difference, if you use a decent noise gate and Adjust the eq before you upload it inside the pocket then it will match. Don't ask too much for a $60-$70 IR and capture loader, if you really want something better and will give you confidence live. Get a NDSP nano or something.
He never EQ it or calibrated the unit to the NAM plug in.
I caught that Blackest Eyes riff, my dude. Good stuff.
Now they need to add this feature to the larger units like the Matribox!
I believe the MB2Pro should be the next!!
Great news!! Thank you. I bought it before 1 week 🙂
looks fun and something to just keep out all the time on the desk
Totally
blackest eyes - a man of culture, I see...
When will the matribox 2 pro will have an update???
The m-vave black box still seems better to me, but I welcome the competition in this price range.
blackbox has no stereo effects, so...
What do you find the m-vave blackbox better?
@@kel5944 pocket master is stereo, ping pong delays, stereo
Chorus, and what really impressed me is the stereo tremolo. Incredible. You can also move effects in the signal chain, which is why I chose the pocket master.
Nahhh. BB doesnt have drive blocks like this litttle thing. That alone makes the PM better than BB
@@ImpostorModanica It’s ease of Use, and authentic sounds. 48$ shipped. AMX ANN Profiles are Grrreat! And unbreakable.
COME ON! It sounds pretty decent for 80 bucks!! Ordering NOW!
It sounds amazing! It has now replaced my Tone X One. I have a second one on order so I can run all amp captures and can the IR block and wet FX on the second unit. MIDI is also in the works so you can control it with the Chocolate
Get an Mvave Blackbox
@@exltd001 Get both!!
@@ultimatescalerc7151To connect the m valve Chocolate directly to the pocket Master ?!
Mines supposed to be delivered tomorrow 🎉
what do you think of it?
hey, thanks for the video.
I've been 'survailing' this one for a while now. But i'll wait for the MIDI implementation.
I hope you make another video when they do that update.
Are you able to tell me what are the different meters for the drum/metronome?
I am looking for odd stuff... like 5/8 , 7/8 .. 11/8 .
thanks again
Thanks for test, toy for beginners
Reading elitist comments is hilarious. I appreciate engineering for the forrest, not the trees. That nam sounded crap, but overall this is going to be awesome for my synths and drum machines. And definitely usable as a space saving multieffects.
Do you have to run captures that are a specific sample rate?
what does NAM mean? .......something amp model?
Neural Amp Modeler
Valeton GP-5 runs NAM captures too! So HoTone will probably have it soon too! I wish sonicake would uodate their older hardware like original matribox to run NAMs too
Exactly! It is the same technology on a better form factor, looking more like a Tonex One! Let's see what comes next!
I wonder what the internal sample rate is on the GP-5. If its 48khz it will automatically sound more correct than this device due to the math error in the sample rate difference (48khz NAM mode VS 44.1khz sample rate in this device).
@@jasonzdora specs on Anderton site say 44.1k for USB recording. Valeton and Sonicake are same company really so expect it's the same issue.
@@jasonzdora I think andertons website says 44.1 unfortunately. I had this problem on Nam in logic 44.1 projects in the early days.
I'm going to get one of these! What a great little unit! Thanks for your useful and informative videos, and well done Sonicake! 🏆
Get two! I have one and it lives up to the hype. My TX1 is now obsolete!
Thanks for your feedback Deric!!
@ How did you do the comparison. Are they both using the same audio interface or both direct to DAW? This isnt a very good comparison. Because I know this thing sounds as good as Tone X. I also get this is live rig verses a PC Plug. People have to realize this is not even close to a fair comparison
@ To do this right you need to send both signals to a speaker dial them in to match then bring the signal back to an audio device that both run that get equal processing treatment. All you did here was show that the audio interface isnt the same. But also this is a MFX unit so its adding things. I bet you can dial this in better to sound the same.
When you set it up as an interface did you make audio adjustments inside the Pocket Master. As there is a menu specific for this. Im wonding if your were clipping?
Since it limits options when you use nam files, I wonder if it has the processing power to handle adding midi on top of that.
DAC will absolutely not explain the tonal difference. As someone has pointed out, the device seems to run at 44.1Khz, but most captures are for 48Khz. The "darker" tone is a result of running the model at a lower samplerate.
This is true! And of course I didn't tweak EQ. So it would be possible to try to match better the EQ Curve, but even tho, there is still differences in the compression level! Cheers mate!
@@RiffsRigs It's going to have bigger problems than just EQ difference. More aliasing, and generally the model just won't behave as expected. If you're using full-rig models with cab included, the peaks and valleys int he cabinet response will be at the wrong frequencies. You can't fix that with an EQ. The question is; does the processor in the unit still have enough CPU cycles left over to perform the samplerate conversion necessary to correct this? :)
@@GhostNoteAudio They will fix it. 1.1 is still beta
Latency?
around 5ms
I noticed an issue with the EQ profile between your A/B test. It looks like the Pocket Master is not accounting for the 48khz vs 44.1khz difference between the NAM profile and the devices internal sample rate. Hopefully the developer can account for that and fix the math. I have pictures of my findings in the original Neural Amp Modeler facebook group in your post about this vide.
Very excited to see NAM working in such a small and inexpensive device! I hope they can solve the tonal differences issue.
I didn't tweak the EQ both in NAM and in the PM. You can match better the tone! Just wanted to show both "As is" as starting point! Cheers mate!
Yeah that explains the difference!
@ Oh, this wasnt a user error thing. This is a math issue with the programming. There is a difference in sample rate and its affecting the way the NAM model gets interpreted. This happened to the earlier version of Steve Atkinsons NAM plugin, as well. When you lower the sample rate, it lowers the EQ profile so a NAM capture made at 48khz sounds "darker" when played through a 44.1khz system that doesnt correct for the sample rate difference. Im hoping the developer is able to adjust for this.
That’s what I need. More devices dependent on a computer😂😂
You can download the captures also via mobile! 😅
I am waiting for Tank Pro (Blackbox with Looper and capabilities to store more profiles)or MK300 depending on price. I’m Looking at 2 different options now. The Valeton GP 5 (anyone remember coral amp trash?) and the Harley Benton GNA git core or and Ge150 variant. I feel I already have this for free with GE labs but the 80 sec looper has Me 😮. Please help Me! I need more rigs! ANN AMX profiles please! Tell Me how!
Are you Brazillian?
Sim sim!!
@RiffsRigs Eu também! Haha. Parabéns pelo video cara.
Hell it sounds better than the PC player LOL. There are otherthings going on adding more flavors with the FX chain. Plus you can EQ it to match the PC app
The PC app has too much compresion, I thought the SPM actually sounded better.
Please need video for POCKET MASTER vs Boss Pocket Gt
Tu é brazuca?
Sim senhor!! Tem o canal Riffs & Rig Brasil tb! 🤟🏻🔥
Get an MVave Blackbox
Nowhere close to the NAM capture, missing details on highs
sold out :(((((
was earlier, must have been a mad rush....bet they go up in price
aliexpress???
How long is the loop on that?
10 sec
You need to improve your skills in doing ab comparisons. I'm sure the pocket master can sound almost identical to that of NAM
Lacks high end
Not sounding like nam at all…
Bro it just a capture 😂😂😂