I would love to see a direct performance comparison to the Win 3, if you could make that happen. Your vids have helped me get the most out of all my Win devices so far, thanks for all your in-depth content Phawx!
I'm glad you called out how most hand-held computers are native portrait. When I loaded Arch Linix on the GPD mini, the default layout is portrait. Fortunately, you can change it to landscape so things appear right-side-up.
Ah yes, the one review I been absolutely looking forward to. The GPD WIN 4 is hands down the smallest 6800U handheld with complete PC Functionality. And it’s by far the best handheld for anyone looking to do any high end portable emulation but find the steam deck to be too big.
Just wanted to drop in again and say that your video are always fantastic. Thank you very much for the guide here on using Cyphbat to control the AMD 6800U. I have been using the Win Max 2 for a few months now and was using a different app to control TDP. After setting my Max 2 using your settings specified here, not only have my FPS improved, but I can clearly see the system is using power much more efficiently. Thank you!
This was a great and thorough preview of the device. I had placed an order through their indigogo campaign and cant wait to get it. I hope in your follow up video you talk about how loud that fan gets in order to manage the heat at those high tdps.
The prices are really good to especially with the power is packing especially the 16GB/512GB version that is priced affordably at $799 to compete with the Steam Deck but the best part is that all of the prices for the different versions they offered are final price and not special or early bird special prices.
It is really irritating navigating the prices for a lot of these handhelds, what with early bird prices being so prevalent. So I agree, it's nice seeing reasonable pricing from the off.
@@willford7717 And soon GPD Might not be the only ones selling a devise at a competitive price as in 2023 Ayn will be selling their Loki line of handhelds with their Loki Max selling for $775 and it will be using the same 6800U CPU processor like the GPD Win 4 and all of the other hire price PC handheld that have already come out this year.
how do you know it's the final pricing? on the indiegogo page it explicitly says the 800 USD version is 160 USD cheaper than the retail price. And the more expensive versions are 130 USD cheaper than retail price.
@@ricky865 That's almost "too little too late", the RDNA 3 handhelds will be out this year (2023) and those will clap all existing devices. Just another instance of a marked down piece of old tech to make way for new tech, it would be nice if they undercut the deck instead of just inching towards their top model.
Great review and the optimisation tips will really come in handy when I get the device. Your videos are always so informative. The moment I saw that design I knew I had to get the Win 4, and I'm glad that the previews for it are good. I'm curious what kind of power and performance use there is after the optimisation. The 15W vs. 25W figures are interesting, but if I play with optimisations, they're not that relevant. In theory it would also have been nice to see intermediate TDPs like 18W, but I figure that again, optimised settings performance is what matters.
That's such a bummer about the joysticks though. I was excited about the Hall effect sticks already being installed. I don't think I would want to open up such an expensive device just to install them myself.
@@iemsforbreakfast the thing is I already have a Win3 and I would like to see a head to head in order to see if it would he worth it to buy the Win4 as well
Have you seen the Win 3, it looks fantastic! However, it is (still) just a prototype, I'm excited to see their retail version that doesn't require a crowdfunding campaign for a more robust and comprehensive warranty and customer support network. Apparently, the Win 4 isn't that.
There is, of course, a way to get back to Win 2 keyboard quality and beyond: Clamshell design; bring it back, GPD. I still hold Win 2 as my favourite handhel ever.
You gotta hand it to GPD. They strive for the most compact, apealing, and portable form factor. $800 is definitley reasonable. You have similar laptops with lackluster specs that cost more; not to mention this thing is a very capable gaming machine. The icing on the cake is that while docked, it's a very capable desktop PC.
@Zeus Pantherha Not really. I baby my devices but the Win 2's keyboard failed not even 4 months in and the Win 3 just stopped turning on altogether since I didn't turn it on for four months, how dare I. I'm probably not going to buy another GPD device but it's interesting to see what they come out with.
Wow, I’m a first time viewer and had to sub after watching it. Great job of describing the GPD without gushing over it. That said, this is easily the most “desirable” handheld I’ve seen this year, if not of all time? The GPD’s design is simply impeccable. Each time I see a new handheld out of China, there are always some weaknesses. Some are too large in places, some overheat and others are a bit underpowered. It’s easy to articulate the shortcomings of other devices. My gripes for the GPD are absolutely minuscule. Sure, I’d love to see Hall effect sticks and a slightly thinner body, but my complaints would amount to less than 1 out of a 100, it looks *that* good. I have a GPD Pocket from years ago and it still works like a charm. The production quality of my Pocket is insanely high. The shell is made of CNC’ed aluminum and the fit of the parts rivals Apple products I own, so I’m reasonably certain that GPD will ship some outstanding handhelds that buyers will be very pleased with. I have no affiliation with GPD, I simply own on of their products and even though it’s a few years old it still impressed those who’ve never seen such a tiny notebook PC. Nice work on a great video! 👍 Videos like this should remind everyone that despite all the political nonsense that’s defined the 2020’s, we still live in amazing times when they can fit a true gaming PC into a handheld only slightly larger than a PS Vita!
Thanks for this review. I love your in depth graphs and settings. It speaks my language because I love to tinker. I already have a Win Max 2 so I know what the 6800u is a capable of. I will be putting my order in.
The benefit of more ram is that it can be used for disk cache, prolonging the lifetime of the SSD and slightly improving the performance (reducing dips)
Reads don't hurt flash. Writes do. Write caching on a battery powered portable device like this would be a recipe for data corruption. Could help with read caching on large game files though. As long as you don't let the battery get low and have to shut down.
@@tin2001 Yeah, no, unless you're going with knock-off brands from China, SSDs don't just go caput. I still have my SSD from... 2015 256gb with the OEM windows install that I keep putting into different machines.
The price for the cheapest model is really great. It's good to see that GPD does not sell their products at a reasonable price now and not too much overpriced. Handheld prices have went up too much
As someone who mostly uses these portable devices on the bus, the smaller size is greatly appreciated! But the price is, unfortunately, too steep for me right now😢. Steam Deck it is until I find a similarly priced device in a smaller size. P.S. Valve please release a Steam Deck Mini!
Valve should do it and make it pocketable. They can keep the same specs to not give original SD owners FOMO, and they’d get to double dip like Nintendo with a different sized model.
Would you be able to make a video on replacing the SSD for GPD Win 4 and installing fresh Windows? Pros and Cons of installing GPD's Windows package with baked in firmware vs fresh Windows plus driver installation? Thank you for the informative videos!
Hi I have done the replacement ssd. It was easy no complications, but it wouldn't boot the flash drive for Windows. Trial and error what worked for me is I created a bootable flash drive with rufus then followed the rest from the gpd site and it worked
Which handheld should i choose? Ayaneo 2 or GPD Win 4. Have the Steam Deck but i want to sell it. Mostly the Screen on the Deck makes me wanna change. The touch and the colors are very bad.
Gotta agree, nothing but praise for the Win 4, especially the keyboard and having the screen in a proper landscape resolution. Besides games not working properly having the display switch to portrait mode on these small devices is the most infuriating experience one shouldn't have to endure, and it does happen more often than one would like.
What's the point of a 1080p screen on a gaming-focused handheld device that will have to rely on battery for handheld usage? Then it doesn't run quite some modern games at 1080p well to justify the higher battery to drive more pixels compared to a 720p or a 900p screen. Feels like those other devices are going for higher resolutions screens for bragging rights alone at the expense of battery life, you said the Win 4 has a larger capacity battery compared to the Deck, but from your assessment on battery life it seems it is not enough to offset the 6800U that works best at higher wattage compared to the Deck's APU plus the display also being a bigger drain on the battery than the Deck's 800p
Chinese products are all about bragging rights, they more capitalists and consumerists than even the Americans. Mao and Lenin are rolling in their graves.
Definitely looking forward to seeing inside of the unit. Curious what's upgradable etc. If ram can be upgraded it may be easy to say yes to their base model.
I love your video! I wondered, GPD WIN4 and AYANEO 2,which one will you recommend？I already have ayaneo 2 ，but i really don`t like the cooling performance。
First: I am in love with the very convenient lanyard/wrist strap attachment point. I know they're not fashionable, but I don't want to drop my (Very Expensive!!) tech because I'm jostled on the train or whatever. This is the first handheld PC that I really want despite being super happy with my base model Steam Deck. I still maintain that they're not genuinely comparable devices - the price points alone put them in two completely different categories, but this is one I'd want to save up for. Honestly I'd probably get the 32 GB, 1 TB model - RAM looks like it's soldered on and I definitely don't have the skills to mess with that, so getting the cheapest 32 GB model would be the most future proofed option (an absolute necessity since it's a Very Expensive device for me, it's not the kind of money I generally have to spend and certainly won't be able to spend every couple of years to upgrade to a new device). But yeah, man, I am TEMPTED. It's so expensive though, and even more so because I'll have to pay 25% VAT for the non-EU import (the custom's office online calculator claims there's no import duties, at least, but I'd have to confirm that with someone before trusting it tbh)
I wish price point put them in different categories in Australia - the minimum spec Deck costs only 5-15% less than the minimum spec GPD Win 4 here (depending on vendor, the 64GB model goes for between $850 and $1150 (AUD))... for an EMMC device... I assume that just means even our tech companies are scalping us. Luckily, IndieGoGo doesnt have such a price hike. I'd love to have one of the Valve devices, but not at an artificially $400 (AUD) higher price than it's worth.
@@lumeronswift @Lumeron Swift the Deck isn't officially sold in Australia yet - if you're buying it there, you're buying from a reseller/scalper who's inflating the price to take advantage of people who want a Deck and don't want to wait for the official launch. It'll definitely be significantly cheaper to buy it from Valve - the Asia prices are just a smidge higher than the European price, despite going through Komodo as a "middle man", so I'm pretty sure the price will remain more or less the same when it launches in Australia. So yeah, at those inflated prices I'd definitely discourage people from buying a Deck - you're absolutely being ripped off, and there's a lot of competition in or just slightly above that price that will be a better deal. (Also: idk how Valve handles warranty and repair for "unofficially" sold Decks, that could be a real issue) For me, I'd love a GPD Win 4 but it's way out of my budget even before adding VAT. If I had that kind of cash though, I wouldn't spend it on a scalper Deck. Either get something that's actually sold for that much money, or wait. No need to pay that difference to a scalper imo 🤷♀️
I'm tempted to sell my steamdeck and gaming pc and picking one of these up. I'm getting to the point were I just want a pocket able handheld device for everything
I don’t have a portable gaming PC but I want one and I see a lot of different reviews on different type of gaming PCs and I think people are sleeping on this one. This one might be really good
26:00 I can find something to complain: No FN Numpad. Max 2 has an FN Numpad, no reason why then Win 4 couldn't have it. 27:25 I agree that it;s great to have customisation, but I disagree about the default layout being "not great". It is by far, the best layout out of all the handhelds. Things like page up, page down, etc, help with browser and text box navigation. They can also still be bound in games without controller support.
@@watchmejumpstart69 I have the GPD WIN 2, and one of the reasons I opted for the Ayaneo 2 was because people said they have pretty good customer service. I definitely get the quality control concerns here. These videos always tempt me though 😅
@@watchmejumpstart69 it sucks about the GPD stuff. I really want to like them. That being said, it makes me more confident in my switch to Aya. This will be my first product from them and I'm pretty pumped 😁!
Is it true? Gpd have higher faulty units than other companies? I mean deck too have % of faulty ones.
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@@Groboman my GPd win 3 came doa in may 2021 (indiegogo backer), It wouldnt turn on. Opened the device to see what problem and It was the on/off ribbon cable. Talked with them for months , wanted me to send It with no date of returning It to me. I obviously said no, i could just install the ribbon cable they should send me. Then came the excuses for the piece, they did not have It for months. Finally, after sending kendyzhu daily mails, and tweeting my problem on their ads for GPd win pocket (and getting blocked by them on Twitter), they send me on november 2021 the piece. It arrived on January of this year. Installed It and could use my win 3. On top of It all, i receives the wrong wi fi chip (they advertised wifi 6, mine came with the old Intel wifi chip). And now my battery Life is at 25% after a year and a half of arriving in may 21.
@ wow that's pretty bad news indeed.Its understandable,that reviewers getting super polished devices...but other customers seems need hope, that their units,gonna be good.Yeah that's really sucks. Can you get a new battery for your device?
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@@Groboman i Will use It until It dies for good. I dont think i Will be buying a new battery. I dont trust GPd anymore and dont want to spend more money in any of their products.
@ really sad when something like this happens, especially with such expensive devices. I mean my vita and 3ds are about 10years old,but still working great,how long those pc-portables gonna work...that's a question too. Hope you won't gonna have any more issues with your device.
Very impressive design. The performance and battery life are still in the early days for handheld PC gaming. I hope they keep updating it with better APUs. AMD just announced new APUs at CES 2023, but did not announce any U parts for their Phoenix APUs. The Phoenix APU Zen 4 CPU, RDNA 3 GPU and XDNA A.I microarchitectures on TSMC 4nm could bring substantial performance efficiency improvements. The future of the GPD WIN4 is really exciting. I think they can make the keys on the keyboard to be sunken to help with muscle memory and accuracy instead of raised (dome) like you mentioned with blackberry or flat as is. They could also split the keyboard and move the keys closer to the side for two hands typing, that way you don’t have to stretch your fingers to reach the middle. Having a landscape screen is just a win for the GPD Win4. God bless early adopters.
In the future if a game can't be run due to needing 32GB is probably not gonna run anyway due to the graphic abilities of the 6800U. So i think you are fine with 16GB.
I am very torn. I just put money down for the Onexplayer 2 Indiegogo and then this pops up. Complete opposite sides of the spectrum as far as being different sizes. But I have a lot of fond memories of my psp and I just really want my to relive those days. What to do. . .what to do. . .
Its keyboard needs to be redesigned to fit "thumb-typing." For instance, put number keys and function keys in the middle and make bigger letter keys on the two sides.
Would love to see battery tests for indie titles and less intensive games. This looks like a beast of an emulation station, and it's just absolutely crazy to see this playing cyberpunk..
You can't tell me that Slapping the Sliding Keyboard from a 2002 SideKick on to the body of 2005 PSP is honestly better or more ergonomic than anything developed in the almost 20 years since?? Also, what's with all of the Bots Commenting?
It is undoubtedly the best thing out there compared to the rest right now. Still expensive though. The one aspect that I would change is to put an 8" screen on it to maximise it's potential. Because this could be used as a general PC, 32Gb may well be of use.
I think they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Aya Has a better screen, full sized hall sticks with first party a software and better rumble. The Win 4 has a smaller screen better speakers a keyboard and a trackpad. The OXP 2 just has a bigger screen. Not really a fan of OXP but some people prefer bigger screens. It all comes down to user preference.
good look with the heat output and power consumptionon on 8" the gpd win 4 is perfect as it is good thermals and all the needed watts going to the cores
I was hyped for this but with the introduction of devices coming to market with the 7840U, I am willing to hold out and see if GPD jumps onto this new apu in the same form factor as the Win 4.
Not a huge fan of how small the screen is, or how little groove there is in the rear for comfort grips. The steam deck is pretty comfortable compared to any of these other handhelds.
@@Jorr_G440 I have the win 3, onexplayer, and aya neo. The onexplayer is the only one with a griplike feature. The win 3 rubber grip case doesnt improve comfort much. The onexplayer is perfect to play on a table because of how high up the buttons are and the kickstand on the rear. You would likely agree if you owned any of them.
The main reason I skipped the GPD Win line is because Nintendo was on top of the hybrid market with the Switch. But considering this can emulate Switch, and there's no successor in sight. This might be the time to finally jump in.
Personally I wouldn't mind one without a keyboard and a bigger battery or thinner. I barely used the one screen keyboard as it is on my Steam Deck and the windows 10/11 on screen keyboard is way more intuitive.
I'm still amazed that no one is mentiionning the fact that there's no capacitive joystick on those device, all sensor is cool but... Capacitive is way better in term of gameplay. I know trackpads aren't popular, but capacitive joystick combine with gyro is such a nice feature. I can't imagine going back now, and there's not a single one of those review that mention it. Feels like you guys don't play that much with those (which i could totally understand) and miss that point. But for me now, more power and form factor is nice to have but won't be enough, i need my gyro to be as easy as it can be (i'm also using the steam deck track pads for old games, playing for example Pharao or old Baldur's gate...). To resume, inputs now are as important if not more important to me that raw power and form factor.
Can't wait to use this connected to my RTX 3070 eGPU while on the toilet, on the subway and on the bus. Taking mass transit lux style is on another level bro.
Thanks Phawx. BTW Ciphray's Bat link just goes to "Welcome to gpd_devices"........ Very frustrating after goofing around with LAYERS of MFA from Discord to not land where it was supposedly going.. Did it get moved?
Now if only their mapping software for the back extra "triggers" let you *map a HOLD button instead of just 1 button repeating.* OR If they made the triggers show up in literally any remapping program such as reWASD or XPadder...
Hey, thanks for the review! When you do your teardown, can you compare the bumper (r1/l1) buttons with the Vita's? I'm wondering if it'd be possible to swap out those buttons for smaller ones.
@@Zeptrio The bigger screen with no bezels on the Neo 2 is so nice. Probably don't need the physical keyboard since the virtual keyboard works fine in Windows tablet mode.
Yes it's difficult choice between aya or win4. If the money it's no problem for you aya it's maybe better choise: screen is really impressive and 10% powerful at the same tdp. After gpd have trackpad and keyboard and better design. For me I prefer win4 because I like play in bed. For sofa aya it's best 😁
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I remember watching the The Phawx, back when his channel was all about the GPD Win 1, we've come so far!
I was 7 years old wow
I remember The Phawx from the gp2x days, back in 2005!
@@studioviper3016 i miss my gp2x, gpd makes me thing about gp lol
He was always a shill who got paid to promote the gpgarbage and always will be
@Danny D pressing x for doubt. I have the gpd win 3 and it's been great for me
I would love to see a direct performance comparison to the Win 3, if you could make that happen. Your vids have helped me get the most out of all my Win devices so far, thanks for all your in-depth content Phawx!
I'm glad you called out how most hand-held computers are native portrait. When I loaded Arch Linix on the GPD mini, the default layout is portrait. Fortunately, you can change it to landscape so things appear right-side-up.
Ah yes, the one review I been absolutely looking forward to. The GPD WIN 4 is hands down the smallest 6800U handheld with complete PC Functionality. And it’s by far the best handheld for anyone looking to do any high end portable emulation but find the steam deck to be too big.
Nah
@@dannyd4339why?
@@dannyd4339 Clown
@@ZackSNetwork yes you are
@@megamanx1291 because it's not?
In my opinion of all the 6800u devices the GPD win 4 and ayaneo 2 are by far the best devices. I'd love to see a video comparing the 2 devices.
win4 should vs Ayaneo slide, not ayaneo 2
Você acha bom o (aok zoe A1) ??
Qual melhor portátil na sua opinião hoje ??
i have 2 6800U aokzoe a1 and gpd win 4 the win 4 is a bit faster will get the 7840U gpd win 4 soon
Just wanted to drop in again and say that your video are always fantastic. Thank you very much for the guide here on using Cyphbat to control the AMD 6800U. I have been using the Win Max 2 for a few months now and was using a different app to control TDP. After setting my Max 2 using your settings specified here, not only have my FPS improved, but I can clearly see the system is using power much more efficiently. Thank you!
Man, I feel like this handheld is MADE for me. Thank you for the fantastic review Phawx!
You gonna do a review of it? I watched your older reviews and it would be cool to see your thoughts on it
@@Chesemiser I can't afford it sorry.. 😔
@@hmr0 Don't worry neither can I so I get it so oh well
@@hmr0 you have a great channel by the way. GPD should send you a review unit!
@@hmr0 99% of us handheld enjoyers can't afford this either lol. We're all in the same boat
This was a great and thorough preview of the device. I had placed an order through their indigogo campaign and cant wait to get it. I hope in your follow up video you talk about how loud that fan gets in order to manage the heat at those high tdps.
Hey bro, I'm here from ETA Prime's channel. Subscribed and liked!
I never thought I'd see the day of a PSP with equivalent power to a PS4. That blows my mind
Probably considerably more power especially in the CPU department
Well its actually ps5 not ps4 if you look at the raw computing power.
The prices are really good to especially with the power is packing especially the 16GB/512GB version that is priced affordably at $799 to compete with the Steam Deck but the best part is that all of the prices for the different versions they offered are final price and not special or early bird special prices.
It is really irritating navigating the prices for a lot of these handhelds, what with early bird prices being so prevalent. So I agree, it's nice seeing reasonable pricing from the off.
@@willford7717
And soon GPD Might not be the only ones selling a devise at a competitive price as in 2023 Ayn will be selling their Loki line of handhelds with their Loki Max selling for $775 and it will be using the same 6800U CPU processor like the GPD Win 4 and all of the other hire price PC handheld that have already come out this year.
how do you know it's the final pricing? on the indiegogo page it explicitly says the 800 USD version is 160 USD cheaper than the retail price. And the more expensive versions are 130 USD cheaper than retail price.
@@ricky865 That's almost "too little too late", the RDNA 3 handhelds will be out this year (2023) and those will clap all existing devices. Just another instance of a marked down piece of old tech to make way for new tech, it would be nice if they undercut the deck instead of just inching towards their top model.
Where can i get it for 799???
Great review and the optimisation tips will really come in handy when I get the device. Your videos are always so informative. The moment I saw that design I knew I had to get the Win 4, and I'm glad that the previews for it are good. I'm curious what kind of power and performance use there is after the optimisation. The 15W vs. 25W figures are interesting, but if I play with optimisations, they're not that relevant. In theory it would also have been nice to see intermediate TDPs like 18W, but I figure that again, optimised settings performance is what matters.
I really love the size form factor of this and the power of his insane of all the 6800u handhelds this is most likely the one that I'm going to buy
Really tempted to grab this
Wait for next gen. It's going to be a bigger jump
@@Dracossaint yea that's what's making me from pulling the trigger
@@Dracossaint The rate at which handhelds are getting good is crazy
The next one is definitely going to be insane
@@Dracossaint there’s always a next one to wait on. when that one comes out people will tell you to wait for the next and so on.
Sony fans: we want a new Playstation portable console
Sony: No
GPD: Fine, I'll do it myself
That's such a bummer about the joysticks though. I was excited about the Hall effect sticks already being installed. I don't think I would want to open up such an expensive device just to install them myself.
If is that what youre afraid of you dont have to. I recently opened my steamdeck and it was no more issue than following a few websites or videos
It's super easy
I think a direct head to head with the Win 3 would be very interesting to see, any chance you can do that Phawx?
@@iemsforbreakfast the thing is I already have a Win3 and I would like to see a head to head in order to see if it would he worth it to buy the Win4 as well
This is the best review of the GPD WIN 4 by far. You convinced me to grab one... now hopefully I cansel l my Steam Deck at a reasonable price...
This device is amazing, and it's apparently just a prototype judging from the IndieGogo page. I can't wait to see the final product! Very tempting :P
Have you seen the Win 3, it looks fantastic! However, it is (still) just a prototype, I'm excited to see their retail version that doesn't require a crowdfunding campaign for a more robust and comprehensive warranty and customer support network. Apparently, the Win 4 isn't that.
This is the final product. They said the same thing with Win 3
I have the win 3. I didn’t care about this until I saw some of “minor” improvements….I want one now 😢
There is, of course, a way to get back to Win 2 keyboard
quality and beyond: Clamshell design; bring it back, GPD.
I still hold Win 2 as my favourite handhel ever.
Nope don't want that at all
You gotta hand it to GPD. They strive for the most compact, apealing, and portable form factor. $800 is definitley reasonable. You have similar laptops with lackluster specs that cost more; not to mention this thing is a very capable gaming machine. The icing on the cake is that while docked, it's a very capable desktop PC.
ever owned a gpd device? not built to be used
Do you have a bad experience with your GPD device?
@Zeus Pantherha Not really. I baby my devices but the Win 2's keyboard failed not even 4 months in and the Win 3 just stopped turning on altogether since I didn't turn it on for four months, how dare I. I'm probably not going to buy another GPD device but it's interesting to see what they come out with.
@@Bidwellz9 I've owned gpd devices, but none have failed on me fortunately
@@huge_balls with the GPD win 2, I was afraid of the hinge cracking
I had all the GPD WIN devices, from the 1 to the 3 and today I contributed for the 4.. I just love them form factor of these handhelds!
Wow, I’m a first time viewer and had to sub after watching it. Great job of describing the GPD without gushing over it.
That said, this is easily the most “desirable” handheld I’ve seen this year, if not of all time? The GPD’s design is simply impeccable. Each time I see a new handheld out of China, there are always some weaknesses. Some are too large in places, some overheat and others are a bit underpowered. It’s easy to articulate the shortcomings of other devices.
My gripes for the GPD are absolutely minuscule. Sure, I’d love to see Hall effect sticks and a slightly thinner body, but my complaints would amount to less than 1 out of a 100, it looks *that* good.
I have a GPD Pocket from years ago and it still works like a charm. The production quality of my Pocket is insanely high. The shell is made of CNC’ed aluminum and the fit of the parts rivals Apple products I own, so I’m reasonably certain that GPD will ship some outstanding handhelds that buyers will be very pleased with. I have no affiliation with GPD, I simply own on of their products and even though it’s a few years old it still impressed those who’ve never seen such a tiny notebook PC.
Nice work on a great video! 👍
Videos like this should remind everyone that despite all the political nonsense that’s defined the 2020’s, we still live in amazing times when they can fit a true gaming PC into a handheld only slightly larger than a PS Vita!
Thanks for this review. I love your in depth graphs and settings. It speaks my language because I love to tinker. I already have a Win Max 2 so I know what the 6800u is a capable of. I will be putting my order in.
Can't wait for the win 5 to come out next month and Phawx calling this bad
Just came out
Now that I have the retail device, this review was misleading. It can only go up to 32W TDP stock and 75Hz will result in serious frame skipping.
As always, great analysis and review! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Imagine this with a OLED and hall effect sticks, literal perfection
Too expensive
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I want one w out the slide up screen/keyboard
The benefit of more ram is that it can be used for disk cache, prolonging the lifetime of the SSD and slightly improving the performance (reducing dips)
Never had an ssd die on me
Reads don't hurt flash. Writes do.
Write caching on a battery powered portable device like this would be a recipe for data corruption.
Could help with read caching on large game files though. As long as you don't let the battery get low and have to shut down.
@@tin2001 Yeah, no, unless you're going with knock-off brands from China, SSDs don't just go caput. I still have my SSD from... 2015 256gb with the OEM windows install that I keep putting into different machines.
Serious high praise in that intro! Great review.
The price for the cheapest model is really great.
It's good to see that GPD does not sell their products at a reasonable price now and not too much overpriced.
Handheld prices have went up too much
How much are you talking about? IGG only sells them for 900 now..:(
you really do the best reviews on internet
As someone who mostly uses these portable devices on the bus, the smaller size is greatly appreciated! But the price is, unfortunately, too steep for me right now😢. Steam Deck it is until I find a similarly priced device in a smaller size.
P.S. Valve please release a Steam Deck Mini!
Valve should do it and make it pocketable. They can keep the same specs to not give original SD owners FOMO, and they’d get to double dip like Nintendo with a different sized model.
It is super nice looking. Just kinda wish it was not as expensive
Quality costs.
Would you be able to make a video on replacing the SSD for GPD Win 4 and installing fresh Windows? Pros and Cons of installing GPD's Windows package with baked in firmware vs fresh Windows plus driver installation? Thank you for the informative videos!
I'd love to know this also
Hi I have done the replacement ssd. It was easy no complications, but it wouldn't boot the flash drive for Windows. Trial and error what worked for me is I created a bootable flash drive with rufus then followed the rest from the gpd site and it worked
Which handheld should i choose? Ayaneo 2 or GPD Win 4. Have the Steam Deck but i want to sell it. Mostly the Screen on the Deck makes me wanna change. The touch and the colors are very bad.
I really want that optical finger navigation module on a split keyboard
Gotta agree, nothing but praise for the Win 4, especially the keyboard and having the screen in a proper landscape resolution.
Besides games not working properly having the display switch to portrait mode on these small devices is the most infuriating experience one shouldn't have to endure, and it does happen more often than one would like.
What's the point of a 1080p screen on a gaming-focused handheld device that will have to rely on battery for handheld usage? Then it doesn't run quite some modern games at 1080p well to justify the higher battery to drive more pixels compared to a 720p or a 900p screen. Feels like those other devices are going for higher resolutions screens for bragging rights alone at the expense of battery life, you said the Win 4 has a larger capacity battery compared to the Deck, but from your assessment on battery life it seems it is not enough to offset the 6800U that works best at higher wattage compared to the Deck's APU plus the display also being a bigger drain on the battery than the Deck's 800p
Chinese products are all about bragging rights, they more capitalists and consumerists than even the Americans. Mao and Lenin are rolling in their graves.
GPD is NOT doing Hall joystick anymore :( 30:42
Now I like this review give some great insight B4 buying!!
How can this device manage 45w easily but all the other gpd handhelds can‘t (including all the other massive 6800u handhelds on the market)
It's truly remarkable. It's also insane on total power, it's like 25~ mins of battery life
Definitely looking forward to seeing inside of the unit. Curious what's upgradable etc. If ram can be upgraded it may be easy to say yes to their base model.
I love your video! I wondered, GPD WIN4 and AYANEO 2,which one will you recommend？I already have ayaneo 2 ，but i really don`t like the cooling performance。
Damn. I love my Max 2, but you're making me want one of these too!
thanks for pointing out portrait connected panels on a landscape screen
First: I am in love with the very convenient lanyard/wrist strap attachment point. I know they're not fashionable, but I don't want to drop my (Very Expensive!!) tech because I'm jostled on the train or whatever.
This is the first handheld PC that I really want despite being super happy with my base model Steam Deck. I still maintain that they're not genuinely comparable devices - the price points alone put them in two completely different categories, but this is one I'd want to save up for.
Honestly I'd probably get the 32 GB, 1 TB model - RAM looks like it's soldered on and I definitely don't have the skills to mess with that, so getting the cheapest 32 GB model would be the most future proofed option (an absolute necessity since it's a Very Expensive device for me, it's not the kind of money I generally have to spend and certainly won't be able to spend every couple of years to upgrade to a new device).
But yeah, man, I am TEMPTED. It's so expensive though, and even more so because I'll have to pay 25% VAT for the non-EU import (the custom's office online calculator claims there's no import duties, at least, but I'd have to confirm that with someone before trusting it tbh)
I wish price point put them in different categories in Australia - the minimum spec Deck costs only 5-15% less than the minimum spec GPD Win 4 here (depending on vendor, the 64GB model goes for between $850 and $1150 (AUD))... for an EMMC device... I assume that just means even our tech companies are scalping us. Luckily, IndieGoGo doesnt have such a price hike. I'd love to have one of the Valve devices, but not at an artificially $400 (AUD) higher price than it's worth.
@@lumeronswift @Lumeron Swift the Deck isn't officially sold in Australia yet - if you're buying it there, you're buying from a reseller/scalper who's inflating the price to take advantage of people who want a Deck and don't want to wait for the official launch. It'll definitely be significantly cheaper to buy it from Valve - the Asia prices are just a smidge higher than the European price, despite going through Komodo as a "middle man", so I'm pretty sure the price will remain more or less the same when it launches in Australia.
So yeah, at those inflated prices I'd definitely discourage people from buying a Deck - you're absolutely being ripped off, and there's a lot of competition in or just slightly above that price that will be a better deal. (Also: idk how Valve handles warranty and repair for "unofficially" sold Decks, that could be a real issue)
For me, I'd love a GPD Win 4 but it's way out of my budget even before adding VAT. If I had that kind of cash though, I wouldn't spend it on a scalper Deck. Either get something that's actually sold for that much money, or wait. No need to pay that difference to a scalper imo 🤷♀️
I'm tempted to sell my steamdeck and gaming pc and picking one of these up. I'm getting to the point were I just want a pocket able handheld device for everything
Did you do it?
Great review as always
I don’t have a portable gaming PC but I want one and I see a lot of different reviews on different type of gaming PCs and I think people are sleeping on this one. This one might be really good
I picked up a an i7 Win 3 with a 2tb SSD a couple days ago and it is ridiculous, I'm potentially wanting to buy the top spec win 4 now
26:00 I can find something to complain: No FN Numpad. Max 2 has an FN Numpad, no reason why then Win 4 couldn't have it.
27:25 I agree that it;s great to have customisation, but I disagree about the default layout being "not great". It is by far, the best layout out of all the handhelds. Things like page up, page down, etc, help with browser and text box navigation. They can also still be bound in games without controller support.
I really wish they had come out with these review units earlier. It maybe could have given the Ayaneo 2 some competition for my wallet.
@@watchmejumpstart69 I have the GPD WIN 2, and one of the reasons I opted for the Ayaneo 2 was because people said they have pretty good customer service. I definitely get the quality control concerns here. These videos always tempt me though 😅
@@watchmejumpstart69 it sucks about the GPD stuff. I really want to like them. That being said, it makes me more confident in my switch to Aya. This will be my first product from them and I'm pretty pumped 😁!
Aya neo 2 it's fantastic. But to expensive for me. I prefer upgrade my win 3 for win 4. And after save money for aya neo " phoenix point " 3 😍
Now this is what I've been wanting!!
Cant wait to see what new problems GPd Will ship their units with. Something that no youtuber with lot of fans talked about
Is it true? Gpd have higher faulty units than other companies? I mean deck too have % of faulty ones.
@@Groboman my GPd win 3 came doa in may 2021 (indiegogo backer), It wouldnt turn on. Opened the device to see what problem and It was the on/off ribbon cable. Talked with them for months , wanted me to send It with no date of returning It to me.
I obviously said no, i could just install the ribbon cable they should send me. Then came the excuses for the piece, they did not have It for months.
Finally, after sending kendyzhu daily mails, and tweeting my problem on their ads for GPd win pocket (and getting blocked by them on Twitter), they send me on november 2021 the piece. It arrived on January of this year. Installed It and could use my win 3.
On top of It all, i receives the wrong wi fi chip (they advertised wifi 6, mine came with the old Intel wifi chip). And now my battery Life is at 25% after a year and a half of arriving in may 21.
@ wow that's pretty bad news indeed.Its understandable,that reviewers getting super polished devices...but other customers seems need hope, that their units,gonna be good.Yeah that's really sucks.
Can you get a new battery for your device?
@@Groboman i Will use It until It dies for good. I dont think i Will be buying a new battery. I dont trust GPd anymore and dont want to spend more money in any of their products.
@ really sad when something like this happens, especially with such expensive devices.
I mean my vita and 3ds are about 10years old,but still working great,how long those pc-portables gonna work...that's a question too.
Hope you won't gonna have any more issues with your device.
So good to see, love how small they managed to make it. I can't wait until we get an x86 handheld not much bigger than the RP3+
Very impressive design. The performance and battery life are still in the early days for handheld PC gaming.
I hope they keep updating it with better APUs. AMD just announced new APUs at CES 2023, but did not announce any U parts for their Phoenix APUs.
The Phoenix APU Zen 4 CPU, RDNA 3 GPU and XDNA A.I microarchitectures on TSMC 4nm could bring substantial performance efficiency improvements.
The future of the GPD WIN4 is really exciting.
I think they can make the keys on the keyboard to be sunken to help with muscle memory and accuracy instead of raised (dome) like you mentioned with blackberry or flat as is. They could also split the keyboard and move the keys closer to the side for two hands typing, that way you don’t have to stretch your fingers to reach the middle.
Having a landscape screen is just a win for the GPD Win4.
God bless early adopters.
I love the size!
Very cool device. Would love this
The Vita walked so the GPD 4 could run
In the future if a game can't be run due to needing 32GB is probably not gonna run anyway due to the graphic abilities of the 6800U. So i think you are fine with 16GB.
I am very torn. I just put money down for the Onexplayer 2 Indiegogo and then this pops up. Complete opposite sides of the spectrum as far as being different sizes. But I have a lot of fond memories of my psp and I just really want my to relive those days. What to do. . .what to do. . .
Buy an AyaNeo 2
Its keyboard needs to be redesigned to fit "thumb-typing." For instance, put number keys and function keys in the middle and make bigger letter keys on the two sides.
Just use windows on screen floating keyboard type
Would love to see battery tests for indie titles and less intensive games. This looks like a beast of an emulation station, and it's just absolutely crazy to see this playing cyberpunk..
Videos like these is why I Phawx with this channel
The reason that the d-pad is so good because it's using the same d-pad from the Vita
I got wm2 so I wasn't really interested in a win 4, but now that phawx puts it like this... i kind of want one now
I was waiting for the phawx to make my decision. He did not disappoint I'm about to be a gpd win 4 owner
After I get my new desktop built, I'm going to save up for this.
You can't tell me that Slapping the Sliding Keyboard from a 2002 SideKick on to the body of 2005 PSP is honestly better or more ergonomic than anything developed in the almost 20 years since??
Also, what's with all of the Bots Commenting?
Yep, bots, valve bots everywhere. 😐
I'd like this to be my main PC to have fun plus to connect to a monitor and keyboard
It is undoubtedly the best thing out there compared to the rest right now. Still expensive though. The one aspect that I would change is to put an 8" screen on it to maximise it's potential. Because this could be used as a general PC, 32Gb may well be of use.
Screen is tiny lol😂😂😂. If it was 8inch man it would be insane device. I have aokzoe and 8inch is super cool and good looking
I think they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Aya Has a better screen, full sized hall sticks with first party a software and better rumble. The Win 4 has a smaller screen better speakers a keyboard and a trackpad. The OXP 2 just has a bigger screen. Not really a fan of OXP but some people prefer bigger screens. It all comes down to user preference.
@@marvyrvygarvy408 true.
good look with the heat output and power consumptionon on 8" the gpd win 4 is perfect as it is good thermals and all the needed watts going to the cores
I'm expecting one more varient of win4 without qwerty keyboard.. which will make it less thicker than light weight and also little more affordable
You will be expecting for a long time.
Hopefully
I was hyped for this but with the introduction of devices coming to market with the 7840U, I am willing to hold out and see if GPD jumps onto this new apu in the same form factor as the Win 4.
Not a huge fan of how small the screen is, or how little groove there is in the rear for comfort grips. The steam deck is pretty comfortable compared to any of these other handhelds.
@@Jorr_G440 I have the win 3, onexplayer, and aya neo. The onexplayer is the only one with a griplike feature. The win 3 rubber grip case doesnt improve comfort much. The onexplayer is perfect to play on a table because of how high up the buttons are and the kickstand on the rear. You would likely agree if you owned any of them.
What kills this for me is the analog stick layout, having the right stick lower with my big hands would be painful over time.
This thing looks absolutely amazing. I would buy it if it wasn't so pricy and I wasn't currently jobless lol
Great review! I just wish there was an option for Windows 10 Pro.
Thank you! What battery pack would you recommend to recharge on the go?
The main reason I skipped the GPD Win line is because Nintendo was on top of the hybrid market with the Switch.
But considering this can emulate Switch, and there's no successor in sight. This might be the time to finally jump in.
Personally I wouldn't mind one without a keyboard and a bigger battery or thinner. I barely used the one screen keyboard as it is on my Steam Deck and the windows 10/11 on screen keyboard is way more intuitive.
I’m lost for words, good job is all
I'm still amazed that no one is mentiionning the fact that there's no capacitive joystick on those device, all sensor is cool but... Capacitive is way better in term of gameplay. I know trackpads aren't popular, but capacitive joystick combine with gyro is such a nice feature.
I can't imagine going back now, and there's not a single one of those review that mention it. Feels like you guys don't play that much with those (which i could totally understand) and miss that point. But for me now, more power and form factor is nice to have but won't be enough, i need my gyro to be as easy as it can be (i'm also using the steam deck track pads for old games, playing for example Pharao or old Baldur's gate...).
To resume, inputs now are as important if not more important to me that raw power and form factor.
I assume the optimization guide you did here can be used on the Win Max 2, right? It's the same hardware.
Can't wait to use this connected to my RTX 3070 eGPU while on the toilet, on the subway and on the bus.
Taking mass transit lux style is on another level bro.
To those looking for some HOT hints for the discord link:
- There are 3 encrypted characters total in this video
I love my GPD win 4 better than my Steam deck it’s so beautiful in person
Thanks Phawx. BTW Ciphray's Bat link just goes to "Welcome to gpd_devices"........ Very frustrating after goofing around with LAYERS of MFA from Discord to not land where it was supposedly going.. Did it get moved?
i'm actually very impressed. looks to be the best gpd yet
The only device by far that use landscape display. Amazing for retro PC games.
Now if only their mapping software for the back extra "triggers" let you *map a HOLD button instead of just 1 button repeating.* OR If they made the triggers show up in literally any remapping program such as reWASD or XPadder...
I have a GPD win 3 and would love if you could do a comparison to see if its worth the upgrade.
GPD, PLEASE MAKE a slim version without the keyboard!! (: 3 (: 3
and perhaps move dpad to top? not sure
This may sound weird, but please can you try and see how usable the trackpad is for FPS games, compared to Steam Deck's large trackpads?
I like the onexplayer mini pro. The onexplayer 2 will be a nice addition as well.
YES!!! Please show the gutts!!!
Hey, thanks for the review! When you do your teardown, can you compare the bumper (r1/l1) buttons with the Vita's? I'm wondering if it'd be possible to swap out those buttons for smaller ones.
So amazing 😵💫
This or the Aya Neo 2? I'm leaning toward the Aya, but is it the right decision 😓
I'd personnally prefer the win4 over the aya neo 2 but i guess it all depends on what you want from it.
@@Zeptrio The bigger screen with no bezels on the Neo 2 is so nice. Probably don't need the physical keyboard since the virtual keyboard works fine in Windows tablet mode.
Yes it's difficult choice between aya or win4. If the money it's no problem for you aya it's maybe better choise: screen is really impressive and 10% powerful at the same tdp. After gpd have trackpad and keyboard and better design. For me I prefer win4 because I like play in bed. For sofa aya it's best 😁
@@tomaspavka2014 You might be right! 😁