Thought that too, Clubmate is maybe more popular in Berlin, but I've never seen anyone drink it with Döner anywhere else unlike Uludag, which you can get in every Döner place
Yeah, I think it was just an excuse by andong to have Alex try a Club mate lmao Uludağ, Ayran and Fanta Exotic (for some reason I cannot comprehend) is the holy trinity of drinks to get with a classic Berlin Döner.
Andong summarized the german experience with döner so well haha "that sauce is for when you have a date after" and the fact that it should be the sauce combo. Liebs! Grüße!
8:55 Chicken is very popular in Turkey for döner. You have the generic chicken döner as well as a more regional one (Hatay style) that got pretty popular as well. Hatay style has its own tomato sauce and is almost always served inside lavash bread. Over the years chicken even got more popular than the traditional döner, because meat got very expensive in Turkey. So meat döner is something one would get to get a well made döner and is ready to spend some more money on it, while chicken döner is cheap and is like a street food in that sense. Its a quick and cheap food that is very popular to get especially after drinking, partying etc.
it is interesting to see someone say chicken(tavuk) döner is not a thing in turkey while eating it on a probably turkish restaurant called Rüyam which means my dream in turkish.
One thing to mention though. While chicken döner started as "cheap variation of döner" it evolved to its own thing. So there's also gourmet chicken döners too. And lots of people (including me) would prefer a gourmet chicken döner to your regular gourmet meat döner. While we mentioned chicken döner, although it is not a döner, tantuni is also a must try and actually kinda in the same food category as döner.
Nowadays in Turkey chicken döner is consumed even more than the regular one but its mostly due to the economic situation since chicken is cheaper. Back in the day though it was a dish more commonly found in the Antakya(Antioch) region due to the mixture of the Turkish and Levantine cuisine there.
@@xwaltranx Every time I visit a Greek/Armenian/Bosnian restaurant, I chuckle after seeing the menu - yup, that's what "rebarnding" looks like.... Greek coffee ffs 🤣🤣🤣
Trust me, with each time you Drink Mate, it gets better and better. The experience is similar to coffee. But in sommer this is the ultimate refresher and cooler
ironically here in South America (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, South of Brazil) where we drink mate all the time, there's not a single soft drink based in yerba mate like Club Mate. In 2003, Coca-Cola launched a drink called Nativa and I liked it a lot, but it only lasted for three months. I still miss it :(
hell no, mate is disgusting af. y'all brainwashed yourself into liking something that you found repulsive at first, it doesn't mean you developed a taste, you just conditioned yourself to not be yourself and drink some crap because it's hip. it's not like coffee. if you want to get into coffee, you try varieties and roasts until you like something. you don't drink the same shitty coffee until you like it. "hey just drink that stuff you find vile until you like it" sounds like the worst advise ever. i know a lot of people operate like this with alcohol as well and it makes zero sense to me.
@brainrottedindividual remember when you were a kid, tried beer for the first time, it was bitter and didn't like it? Or vinegar? It's the same with mate, it's for grown ups.
i swear to god this is the best collab to ever exist. You two have so much fun and the energy i get through the screen is contagious... i had the biggest grin on my face during the whole video :D
As a fan of both channels for years I never expected this suprise collab. Both guys a diving deep into food and present it to us so well. Thank you for showing. Also imo even though you ate 2 Döner Kebaps, Andong should have presented a third one. There are many traditional Döner style shops and some are very much exaptional. If you come to visit again, let Andong take you around some more. Much love
Alex, mon frère, middle Eastern style kebab or shawarma (especially Syrian or Lebanese) are delicious and their style is unique, the sauces, the condiments and the marinate or the meat is different from all other kebabs, and believe me they are so worth mentioning in your kebab series!!
Chicken döner came to Turkey in the same time the Gemüse Kebab is invented in Germany, at the height of Mad Cow Disease in the 90s. The first type of chicken döner, which so many people are now feeling nostalgic for, is a simple döner sandwich with French fries, onions, tomatoes, lettuce, and ketchup and mayo if you want. The second type of döner, which came from the Levant as the Syrian migration boomed in the early 2010s was originated from Hatay and surrounding areas. It's a dürüm/wrap with a heavy, garlicky tomato sauce with the same sauce spread on the lavash bread and toasted on a flat top grill. I don't think every place can pull this particular style off, it heavily depends on the sauce being good or bad. So, when you come to Turkey for another time, try these two döner dishes: A real Hatay style dürüm in Hatay, and an İskender kebab in Bursa, which is the döner you ate in İstanbul, served on top of dried up pide croutons, topped with tomato sauce and drizzled with delicious brown butter, preferably yogurt served on the side.
Great explanation and I agree with the suggestions. I would maybe add trying cağ kebab in addition to those, though it's a different game. Although chicken döner is quite popular in Turkey as well these days, some people still associate chicken döner with lower quality. My dad for instance never even would try chicken döner. I took him to Rüyam when he visited me in Berlin, and he said we ended up in Burgermeister next door.
@CagdasAlt I'm from Erzurum and I think Cağ Kebab is something very, very different from döner. The original style of marination and the choice of the cuts of lamb makes cağ a completely different type of kebab. But yes, I should have suggested that as well. And your dad isn't alone with his thought of chicken döner being the low quality option, many people in Turkey, including me, think like that as well. In my opinion, chicken döner is more akin to fast food, while the original döner is something you enjoy, it's for celebration.
@matti_ngb not really, I've tried actual shawarma in Syrian and Lebanese restaurants in Istanbul and the Hatay dürüm I walk about is a completely different thing. The sauce I mentioned is different than toum or any other garlic sauce that goes in shawarmas
In turkey they season it so different though.. prefer the taste over there (in istanbul).. also havnt seen many with french fries or mayo.. ketchup is normal over there.. but the meat taste so much better u dont miss the 10 sauces and all the extra veggies u can get in berlin.
The dutch döner variation you should try is kapsalon, it originated in Rotterdam, for some time you could only get it there. But it has spread and now its all over in the Netherlands and even belgium, nepal and indonesia. Its french fries, covered with döner meat,, dutch cheese melted over in the oven, sause and then covered with a salad. Origin story is a barber ordered/came up with it and it became a regular thing, barbershop is kapsalon in dutch.
Man, a few episodes back, a comment mentioned your style of videography. Since then I can’t unsee your amazing talent regarding recording your adventures. The camera angles, the cuts, the recorded scenes. It all comes together so smoothly!
According to consumer protection sources, you're not even allowed to call the "mystery meat" spits "Döner" in Germany. That's why those places call them "Fleischspieß" - meat spit. "Döner Kebab" has to contain actual spices of meat (and tastes much better than mystery meat)
The German law is very strict. You can't cheat anymore. As soon as you call your dish döner, your döner meat must conform to the regulations. According to those, the maximum percentage of minced meat is 60%.
Thank you for the Collab with Andong! Both of you are one of my favorite food RUclipsrs ❤. And about Club-Mate. It takes a couple of bottles until you are able to differentiate the Ash tray taste. It's quite a fascinating drink.
What a great video, it felt like you two just had a good time together. The vibes were fantastic, and that is just joyful to watch :) And Rüyam ofc, one of the best in Berlin. He even took you to the OG one in Schöneberg hehe
Thank you to Turkey and its wonderful people for gifting the world the döner, a delicious enduring symbol of culinary ingenuity that has brought joy and flavor to countless hearts around the globe 🇹🇷
I want to correct a few things (yes, I’m Turkish:) So, döner made with chicken is very popular in Turkey because it’s cheaper and there are a few types of chicken döner and what makes them differ from each other their sauce. And it is quite common to drink coke with döner and it makes a great companion as it compliments the saltiness of döner with its sweetness. But of course, ayran is our champion, especially if it is made out of sour yoghurt. Also, you might want to try şalgam, which is fermented turnip juice. It is something you either fall in love with or hate (unfortunately it might not be for our European friends but who knows, you might like it). And finally, on a personal note, this is a great series as always. Also, it is great to see you getting better Alex, as you have been looking very tired on earlier episodes. Take care. P.S. I love the German döner but it is not a match for the Turkish OG döner.
9:00 In fact chicken Döner has been a quintessential part of the Döner scene in Turkey for a long time now (at least 20-ish years would be my guess). It started out as a more affordable, street-food style option particularly for students since the meat quality for the classic döner made it a bit too expensive for a student budget. Over the years however, with the struggling economy, chicken has (arguably) become more popular than the veal-lamb döner, since it's mega affordable in comparison. As of now, I feel like chicken is the go-to for most Turks. The chicken döner has become a quick, on-the-go, street-food type of döner much like in Germany whereas the veal-lamb has become more of a sit-down and enjoy your meal kind of occasion. Another important thing is the "Hatay Style" chicken Döner that has become EXTREMELY popular in the past 3/4-ish years. Before that, chicken döner was eaten "Büfe" style (Büfes are small food stalls on the street or small corner shops who serve Turkish fast food like chicken döner, turkish style hot dogs, wet hamburgers, köfte, etc. and on-the-go items like cigarettes, lighters and snacks, exactly like a New York Bodega) which is just the chicken in bread with some veggies like lettuce and tomatoes. However in recent years, a style of chicken döner from the Hatay region has dominated the chicken döner scene, which is made with a special tomato-based sauce and homemade garlic mayonnaise, served almost exclusively in a wrap with fries, pickled gurkins and pickled peppers. Nowadays for many students, lower and middle class families, chicken döner is the go-to.
I have also mentioned the chicken döner comment on the first video of the series however he didn't care about it maybe he didn't see it but in Turkey at least in Anatolia chicken döner is more popular than the meat one.
@Alex I wanna give some context because the claim of germany inventing Döner is misrepresented a bit: When the "german döner kebab" come into existence, previously it was a style of food you ate like you (Alex) ate it in Istanbul. On a plate, while sitting. The guy who invented the version you ate with Andong just moved the contents off the plate into the bread. Döner Kebab is a term that means a lot of different things and yet refers to the same product. In germany when we say Döner we mean the mean + veggy in a pide, when turkisch people say Döner they mean what you ate in Instanbul. So the claim "germany invented the döner" just means "germany invented the food as you see it in this video". Not the base product itself. This was the work of the Ottoman Empire.
Exactly, this is not an invention but a derivation in which many toppings gather along with döner to make a good sandwich. While I tasted and still prefer turkisch one, I must say that the berliner part is so good to have it as a course.
It also was a Turkish migrant who invented this variant of Döner. He just adapted it to the German market. So as a German I definitely wouldn’t claim it as a German invention. But I definitely appreciate it ❤ 🥙🇹🇷
guys i am from bursa türkiye this is our dignity döner i am also so happy to see it became of german eating traditon by different ways I respect all of the ideas
Actually Bursa's famous dish is iskender kebap, not döner. Since Bursa kebab is made out of ground beef, döner cannot be considered the markable dish of Bursa. Maybe Ankara, Artvin etc.
Döner Kebab ist eine Berliner Erfindung. Es geschah in Berlin: Der Legende nach steckte Kadir Nurman 1972 als Erster das Fleisch in einen Fladen- und hatte die in Deutschland so beliebte Variante des Döners erfunden.
@@eren3390 The Döner Kebab is from Turkey yes, but the style served here in Berlin is not from Turkey, they served it on plates and not in a bread with sauces and vegetables
Salut Alex and Andong! This is the collaboration I have waiting for in this series. Andong, I still use your homemade recipe (even if I have modified it slightly to my own preferred taste) but it's always delicious! 🙂😋❤
The problem about the Kebaps in Berlin and generally in Europe, they are mostly made of minced meat. Not in the the way of putting leafs of meats onto each other. That mostly kills the taste of the traditional one and makes it more simple tasted we could say. I think that is why it is better as a sandwich, with all the stuff inside. The meat doesn't taste as good, you have to cover it with something. I don't say European döner doesn't taste good, it is a variation. However, it can't be more than a fast food I think. Traditional döner is on another level.
In Germany, it can't be advertised as döner if it has more than 60% mincemeat. The rest has to be stacked sheets of meat, usually veal, while in the UK and some other countries, it's almost always lamb from 100% mincemeat.
Alex, after seeing this episode I feel that it might be important to you to visit Canada to see what happened in Halifax, NS. Immigrants to Canada introduced the donair to the locals and quickly realized they would have to make changes in order for it to sell well. What we have today is the product of culinary fusion not unlike what you showcased in this video, but instead the solution took a radically different turn. I would love to see your reaction to this polarizing dish as it would show the continued impact that the kebab has on world cusine.
Oh totally!! I've never been to Halifax but here in Quebec there's this english brew pub I've been going for a long time. One of the students at the university next to it was from Halifax and he worked the kitchen at the pub. There was no way he would last a semester at Bishop's U without eating donairs, so he started making them proper and it became a menu item the while he was around! Good times they were!!!
Turk who has visited Halifax NS and tried the Donair. Wow, I've never been disgusted more by a sauce! I think it's basically similar to mayonnaise but with a ton of sugar added? VERY VERY strange. Tried it at multiple donair shops, (I'm purposefully calling it donair because it really doesn't taste like döner), although there were slight differences, it fell quite flat in all of them. Shouting out an Albanian shop that was selling it and upon hearing I was Turkish, served it to me in a more traditional way, which made it much better.
@@alptuzel534 Hey, if you are used to turkish kebabs then I'm inclined to agree with you in that you are not going to prefer it - this is a dish that has evolved from that to something very different, based on the availability of foods and the general preferences of the local population. The point though is that the kebab has had a big impact on world cusine and this is another expression of that - one that is celebrated in that part of the world.
This.. was.. AMAZING! I´m from Germany and my top german cooking RUclipsr would be Andong and my top International and overall would be you by a LONG SHOT! You got me into cooking when the first lockdown happend, i learned so much in your Ramen-Series and adapted so much from it, now i´m a decent Homecook for my Wife! Best Collab 2024, i´m good for Cristmas now, thx Alex!
9:26 €6,00 is not a bargain, it's a nightmare! Before the pandemic, a (decent) Döner was between €3,50 and €4,50. Now you pay €6,00 to €8,00 with Ayran it's €10 or more. For street food in Berlin, this is not cheap anymore. 😕
ja kollege, und vor 30 jahren hat n laib brot 20 pfennig gekostet. kosten sind hochgegangen, plus inflation oben drauf, sollte dich nicht wundern, dass n guter döner keine 3,50 mehr kosten kann. vielleicht sollte man eher mal beim chef fragen, warum der lohn mit der inflation nicht mitgegangen ist (besonders bei firmen die jahr auf jahr erneut rekordprofite schieben).
@goonswarm007 there are still a lot of places without mystery meat. You can recognise them by the different layers of meat at the grill that doesn't look like a homogenic block.
Aha, what should it cost? Do me a favor and write down a calculation. But also the truth is - a) most stores cheating our taxes! And b) germans are the stingiest Nation also
Roasting meat on a vertical spit wasn't invented in Berlin. What was invented in Berlin was putting that kind of meat into a sandwich and stuffing it with some vegetables and salads. Also, the kind of sauce that was put on there, is a typical Berlin invention. Iskender kebab, for example, existed long before Berlin döner ever came to the scene. It's the Berlin-style döner that then found its way around Europe, although with slight alterations in almost every country. In the Netherlands, for example, the way of serving döner is very similar, to the Berlin style, only the sauces are different. In the Flemish part of Belgium, it's normal to have many of the fry-shack sauces on offer, so you can have "Samurai sauce" on your döner. In the Walloon part, the döner looks more like it does in large parts of France, where they have a tendency to put fries on it. The "Berlin-style-döner" became so popular, that it eventually found its way back to Turkey, where it's now far more common to serve döner meat in a pide or wrap. It's less common to be offered the same style sauces as in Berlin though. Iskender style Döner Kebab is probably still one of the most popular ways of eating kebab in Turkey. It's not served as a sandwich, but on a plate, topped off with molten butter. So, döner kebab can be quite different depending on where you eat it. I personally think, the Berlin Style, with the Berlin sauces are still the best. That's also a concept that actually gets exported around the globe. German Döner Kebab or Berlin Döner Kebab has become a thing of its own. Last time I was in France, I was offered tomato ketchup on my Döner Kebab... yuck?! France may be a culinary melting pot, but in regards to Döner Kebab, you still have a way to go. ;)
The Berlin version didn't find its way to the UK until about 2015, when a chain called "GDK" (German Döner Kebab) opened. They now have 146 branches but there are 17000 normal doner kebab shops in the UK. These kinds of doner kebab shops existed in London before Berlin had their first Dönerbude. There are now 3 non-chain Berlin style döner places I can think of in London and I think there are a few others up north somewhere so I hope it catches on more. It's very different to the typical doner kebab in the UK, which is made from 100% minced lamb doner and served in a polystyrene container, not a crispy Turkish pide flatbread.
Nothing beats a 3AM wrap kebab, samurai sauce with fries and a coke 😂 99% of people in nothern france/belgium will choose wrap/durum/galette kebab when paired with fries. If you take bread kebab with fries you get too "stuffed".
Doesn't even need to be Halifax as long as you get the sweet sauce (even though I know they originate from there). I'm in Edmonton and can see 3 Donair places just from my balcony. I think most of Canada has been taken over.
When you are in Berlin again, there is a great place called Vöner and they sell vegan döner kebaps, basically using a replacement for the meat which doesn't taste like meat, but is also delicious and they serve you sauces that are more uncommon in usual Berlin Döner.
If you are trying different Kebab styles in europe then you should come to Sweden and try "Kebabpizza". It is a very very popular fusion pizza here in Sweden with many regional variants. One of the most popular variants is in the Jönköping/Nässjö region, known for having the best Kebabsauce in the country.
Proud of Mr. Andong for representing the Berlin Döner Scene!! :) Also very glad you picked Ugur, pretty much the only true quality spot that makes minced meat döner
Salut Alex, When you came back in Paris you need to try Mehmet Kebab near Sacré-Coeur. In my opinion, best Dönner in town ! Beautiful meat, amazing side dish and a solid selection of natural wines. Yes, Kebab and Wine... what a treat ! Love from Alsace.
RUclips puts ads on the video (or you pay for Premium), Alex puts ads in the video (for his cookware), Sponsor spots in the video (at the start and partway through). It’s getting bloody ridiculous, triple dipping ads. Congrats Alex, you just got me to install SponsorBlock. Good job.
Nah I dont want to know, Canada and US are for once not involved. No need for any Chinese like rip off for something made in Turkey. I dislike this episode, should have stayed with the real real Döner where it is made
Sorry guys but chicken döner is all over Turkey..It was invented here.. Sebzeli tavuk ( chicken and veg ) döner is a thing here..And Andong I really like you but most of these Turkish shops might get their ideas from shops here in Türkiye.. And just by adding red cabbage, cheese and sauce does not make döner Berliner!
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When he mentioned there's a second drink to drink with Döner my first thougt was Uludağ
Thought that too, Clubmate is maybe more popular in Berlin, but I've never seen anyone drink it with Döner anywhere else unlike Uludag, which you can get in every Döner place
Yeah, I think it was just an excuse by andong to have Alex try a Club mate lmao
Uludağ, Ayran and Fanta Exotic (for some reason I cannot comprehend) is the holy trinity of drinks to get with a classic Berlin Döner.
Would have guessed Fritz had they not suggested that it's definitely not cola lol.
why not beer ???
@@pritvijheengut definitely also very popular, but there's also many Shops that don't sell any alcohol due to being muslim.
Andong summarized the german experience with döner so well haha "that sauce is for when you have a date after" and the fact that it should be the sauce combo. Liebs! Grüße!
Never eat that remoulade sauce its just gross, just go for original+ hot on the side dont be a p...
@@MGMachete234 dont be a douchebag
Collab that everyone hoped for
.... for $200 Alex
For years I've hoped!
Oooh yeah I saw the start of this series and this was where my mind went to instantly too.
Yooo the Andong collab 😍 that's great I've been subscribed to them for over 5/6 years
Ha, i just wanted to write that too, and than it's the first comment i read.
Hungry minds think alike, it seems :D
Alex, I just want to say it is SO GOOD to have you back in my RUclips feed regularly. Missed your energy and passion!
I absolutely love how casual you two are together. Alex this is the most relaxed we've ever seen you. I hope this was a fun addition to the series
As a Berliner, I say this is the crossover this important topic deserves! Andong is a local hero.
@@solokom 🇹🇷🇹🇷🤷🏻♂️
8:55 Chicken is very popular in Turkey for döner. You have the generic chicken döner as well as a more regional one (Hatay style) that got pretty popular as well. Hatay style has its own tomato sauce and is almost always served inside lavash bread.
Over the years chicken even got more popular than the traditional döner, because meat got very expensive in Turkey. So meat döner is something one would get to get a well made döner and is ready to spend some more money on it, while chicken döner is cheap and is like a street food in that sense. Its a quick and cheap food that is very popular to get especially after drinking, partying etc.
ngl I'd prefer Zurna over meat every day
makes sense, Alex went to a more fancy and "old-school" döner place in turkey
When I was in Istanbul, I used to go eat the chicken döner at this chain restaurant close to my hotel called Anas Chicken. It was SO GOOD.
it is interesting to see someone say chicken(tavuk) döner is not a thing in turkey while eating it on a probably turkish restaurant called Rüyam which means my dream in turkish.
One thing to mention though. While chicken döner started as "cheap variation of döner" it evolved to its own thing. So there's also gourmet chicken döners too. And lots of people (including me) would prefer a gourmet chicken döner to your regular gourmet meat döner.
While we mentioned chicken döner, although it is not a döner, tantuni is also a must try and actually kinda in the same food category as döner.
Nowadays in Turkey chicken döner is consumed even more than the regular one but its mostly due to the economic situation since chicken is cheaper. Back in the day though it was a dish more commonly found in the Antakya(Antioch) region due to the mixture of the Turkish and Levantine cuisine there.
Hatay döner is nice
But chicken Döner originally get a thing 'cause of the BSE back then.. during this time it become established.
I'm a Berliner and i love watching a French guy talking in English about the Berliner Döner!❤
dfq is berliner döner ?
Andong is talking about ayran like alex never went to turkey lol
ayran => Persian
@paulthomas8262 it's Turkish mate 😂 ffs. What next? Now you will say yoğurt is Greek? 😂
@@xwaltranx Every time I visit a Greek/Armenian/Bosnian restaurant, I chuckle after seeing the menu - yup, that's what "rebarnding" looks like.... Greek coffee ffs 🤣🤣🤣
@@xwaltranx Persians call it "Durgh" anyway/
@@xwaltranx yoğurt comes from Mesopotamia
Trust me, with each time you Drink Mate, it gets better and better. The experience is similar to coffee. But in sommer this is the ultimate refresher and cooler
ironically here in South America (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, South of Brazil) where we drink mate all the time, there's not a single soft drink based in yerba mate like Club Mate. In 2003, Coca-Cola launched a drink called Nativa and I liked it a lot, but it only lasted for three months. I still miss it :(
hell no, mate is disgusting af. y'all brainwashed yourself into liking something that you found repulsive at first, it doesn't mean you developed a taste, you just conditioned yourself to not be yourself and drink some crap because it's hip. it's not like coffee. if you want to get into coffee, you try varieties and roasts until you like something. you don't drink the same shitty coffee until you like it. "hey just drink that stuff you find vile until you like it" sounds like the worst advise ever. i know a lot of people operate like this with alcohol as well and it makes zero sense to me.
@brainrottedindividual remember when you were a kid, tried beer for the first time, it was bitter and didn't like it? Or vinegar? It's the same with mate, it's for grown ups.
I thought you have to be South American to like that stuff.
@Nikioko coffee is Ethiopian, tea is Chinese, chocolate is Mexican, yet they're popular all around the world. Maybe it's mate's turn now.
i swear to god this is the best collab to ever exist. You two have so much fun and the energy i get through the screen is contagious... i had the biggest grin on my face during the whole video :D
As a fan of both channels for years I never expected this suprise collab. Both guys a diving deep into food and present it to us so well. Thank you for showing. Also imo even though you ate 2 Döner Kebaps, Andong should have presented a third one. There are many traditional Döner style shops and some are very much exaptional. If you come to visit again, let Andong take you around some more. Much love
Yes! A collaboration between two of my favourite foodie RUclipsrs! So happy to be watching this.
I love the evident passion Andong has for this topic it's so lovely to see someone so passionate
Alex, mon frère, middle Eastern style kebab or shawarma (especially Syrian or Lebanese) are delicious and their style is unique, the sauces, the condiments and the marinate or the meat is different from all other kebabs, and believe me they are so worth mentioning in your kebab series!!
Hell yeah, also you can’t have Shawrma without Tahini in the Middle East, (from Palestine)
The series is not over, I'm sure he'll try it too
My favorite shawarma combo is hummus, fries, pickles and pomegranate molasses 🤤
Except this is not a kebab series but a döner series. A kebab series would take a very long time and multiple trips to multiple countries lol
@@TurquazCannabiz Except shawarma is also döner (rotary meat). In fact Alex mentioned it in the first episode. The video is probably coming
This video brought me back after a couple years if u slipping out of my recommendations... Great video!
Chicken döner came to Turkey in the same time the Gemüse Kebab is invented in Germany, at the height of Mad Cow Disease in the 90s. The first type of chicken döner, which so many people are now feeling nostalgic for, is a simple döner sandwich with French fries, onions, tomatoes, lettuce, and ketchup and mayo if you want.
The second type of döner, which came from the Levant as the Syrian migration boomed in the early 2010s was originated from Hatay and surrounding areas. It's a dürüm/wrap with a heavy, garlicky tomato sauce with the same sauce spread on the lavash bread and toasted on a flat top grill. I don't think every place can pull this particular style off, it heavily depends on the sauce being good or bad.
So, when you come to Turkey for another time, try these two döner dishes: A real Hatay style dürüm in Hatay, and an İskender kebab in Bursa, which is the döner you ate in İstanbul, served on top of dried up pide croutons, topped with tomato sauce and drizzled with delicious brown butter, preferably yogurt served on the side.
Great explanation and I agree with the suggestions. I would maybe add trying cağ kebab in addition to those, though it's a different game.
Although chicken döner is quite popular in Turkey as well these days, some people still associate chicken döner with lower quality. My dad for instance never even would try chicken döner. I took him to Rüyam when he visited me in Berlin, and he said we ended up in Burgermeister next door.
@CagdasAlt I'm from Erzurum and I think Cağ Kebab is something very, very different from döner. The original style of marination and the choice of the cuts of lamb makes cağ a completely different type of kebab. But yes, I should have suggested that as well. And your dad isn't alone with his thought of chicken döner being the low quality option, many people in Turkey, including me, think like that as well. In my opinion, chicken döner is more akin to fast food, while the original döner is something you enjoy, it's for celebration.
The second one being shawarma right?
@matti_ngb not really, I've tried actual shawarma in Syrian and Lebanese restaurants in Istanbul and the Hatay dürüm I walk about is a completely different thing. The sauce I mentioned is different than toum or any other garlic sauce that goes in shawarmas
In turkey they season it so different though.. prefer the taste over there (in istanbul).. also havnt seen many with french fries or mayo.. ketchup is normal over there.. but the meat taste so much better u dont miss the 10 sauces and all the extra veggies u can get in berlin.
alex you are a very sympathic person, never heard of your channel before but definitely left my sub here!!
The dutch döner variation you should try is kapsalon, it originated in Rotterdam, for some time you could only get it there. But it has spread and now its all over in the Netherlands and even belgium, nepal and indonesia. Its french fries, covered with döner meat,, dutch cheese melted over in the oven, sause and then covered with a salad. Origin story is a barber ordered/came up with it and it became a regular thing, barbershop is kapsalon in dutch.
As a Turkish living in Netherlands I agree but leaves you with even more guilt after eating it lol
kapsalon is life :D
I tried kapsalon on a recent visit to Flevoland - can confirm, delicious, basterderised in the best way, and demands a 5k run to sidestep the guilt
kapsalom is a cheap german Döner plate.........
@ stop the cap… 🧢 kingmyass
Ahhh yeahhhhh Alex and Andong! Two of my favs!! Love Andong’s gemüse kebab episode
I just moved to berlin and am verry glad to have seen this video, thanks! I love how passionate your buddy is aout the differences and nuances
Having visited Berlin once; the late night doner kebab experience is a fond memory!
Man, a few episodes back, a comment mentioned your style of videography. Since then I can’t unsee your amazing talent regarding recording your adventures. The camera angles, the cuts, the recorded scenes. It all comes together so smoothly!
According to consumer protection sources, you're not even allowed to call the "mystery meat" spits "Döner" in Germany. That's why those places call them "Fleischspieß" - meat spit. "Döner Kebab" has to contain actual spices of meat (and tastes much better than mystery meat)
The German law is very strict. You can't cheat anymore. As soon as you call your dish döner, your döner meat must conform to the regulations. According to those, the maximum percentage of minced meat is 60%.
love this serie and all the collabs in it, merci Alex
Omg, thank you for showing my comment (at 1:41), I'm honoured.
thanks for what exactly?
For showing his comment
@@G.Giorgio how is that a “thank you” situation?
@@Reyfiiit’s called appreciation, something you don’t seem to know 😂
@ yes but for what
seeing two favorite cooking channels in the same video...
Really disappointed that the second drink was Mate instead of Uludag.
Me too!
Same. I have never seen a Döner outside of Berlin that even offers Mate.
ŞALGAM
I WAS *SHOCKED* IT WASNT ULUDAG
Is Uludag actually a thing in Berlin?
Thank you for the Collab with Andong! Both of you are one of my favorite food RUclipsrs ❤. And about Club-Mate. It takes a couple of bottles until you are able to differentiate the Ash tray taste. It's quite a fascinating drink.
You can't have a series on Kebab without speaking to Andong 👍 the man knows his Kebabs 👍
I am really looking forward to seeing more collabs with Andong. The two best food-RUclipsrs out there ❤
As a Döner lover, I absolutely love this series!
What a great video, it felt like you two just had a good time together. The vibes were fantastic, and that is just joyful to watch :) And Rüyam ofc, one of the best in Berlin. He even took you to the OG one in Schöneberg hehe
Love Andong's vids on kebab and doner, nice to see more collabs.
I love how Alex is traveling around the world, putting together a team of Kebab Avengers.
Thank you to Turkey and its wonderful people for gifting the world the döner, a delicious enduring symbol of culinary ingenuity that has brought joy and flavor to countless hearts around the globe 🇹🇷
@@selimheisenberg8609 gifting? it’s still turkish. hell, you’re even turkish yourself 💀🤦🏻♂️
@ Kardeşim bu mesajım döner bir alman yemeği diyenler içindi, sen yanlış anlamışsın benim oradaki mesajımı.
@@selimheisenberg8609 „gift“ hediye demek - bis kimseye hediye etmedik.
I was waiting for this one
I want to correct a few things (yes, I’m Turkish:)
So, döner made with chicken is very popular in Turkey because it’s cheaper and there are a few types of chicken döner and what makes them differ from each other their sauce.
And it is quite common to drink coke with döner and it makes a great companion as it compliments the saltiness of döner with its sweetness. But of course, ayran is our champion, especially if it is made out of sour yoghurt. Also, you might want to try şalgam, which is fermented turnip juice. It is something you either fall in love with or hate (unfortunately it might not be for our European friends but who knows, you might like it).
And finally, on a personal note, this is a great series as always. Also, it is great to see you getting better Alex, as you have been looking very tired on earlier episodes. Take care.
P.S. I love the German döner but it is not a match for the Turkish OG döner.
I literally brought back Salgam bottles in my luggage 😂
@@FrenchGuyCooking I'm glad that you liked it😀
I think everyone hates salgam at first but after a while you get addicted to it
@@FrenchGuyCookingThat's why we like you
I’ve been away for a while and I’m so happy you’re back
That collab. Merci Alex
Two of my favorite youtube chefs in one single video wooaaah, Christmas is early this year
8:50 nah we have chicken döner too but its a whole different thing.
My two favourite food RUclipsrs togehter in one Video. Thank you, Alex and Andong!
9:00 In fact chicken Döner has been a quintessential part of the Döner scene in Turkey for a long time now (at least 20-ish years would be my guess). It started out as a more affordable, street-food style option particularly for students since the meat quality for the classic döner made it a bit too expensive for a student budget. Over the years however, with the struggling economy, chicken has (arguably) become more popular than the veal-lamb döner, since it's mega affordable in comparison. As of now, I feel like chicken is the go-to for most Turks. The chicken döner has become a quick, on-the-go, street-food type of döner much like in Germany whereas the veal-lamb has become more of a sit-down and enjoy your meal kind of occasion.
Another important thing is the "Hatay Style" chicken Döner that has become EXTREMELY popular in the past 3/4-ish years. Before that, chicken döner was eaten "Büfe" style (Büfes are small food stalls on the street or small corner shops who serve Turkish fast food like chicken döner, turkish style hot dogs, wet hamburgers, köfte, etc. and on-the-go items like cigarettes, lighters and snacks, exactly like a New York Bodega) which is just the chicken in bread with some veggies like lettuce and tomatoes. However in recent years, a style of chicken döner from the Hatay region has dominated the chicken döner scene, which is made with a special tomato-based sauce and homemade garlic mayonnaise, served almost exclusively in a wrap with fries, pickled gurkins and pickled peppers. Nowadays for many students, lower and middle class families, chicken döner is the go-to.
Alex does not care about facts.
I have also mentioned the chicken döner comment on the first video of the series however he didn't care about it maybe he didn't see it but in Turkey at least in Anatolia chicken döner is more popular than the meat one.
ohmygawd!!! my two fav youtubers' collab!!!! thank you so much!
@Alex
I wanna give some context because the claim of germany inventing Döner is misrepresented a bit:
When the "german döner kebab" come into existence, previously it was a style of food you ate like you (Alex) ate it in Istanbul. On a plate, while sitting. The guy who invented the version you ate with Andong just moved the contents off the plate into the bread.
Döner Kebab is a term that means a lot of different things and yet refers to the same product. In germany when we say Döner we mean the mean + veggy in a pide, when turkisch people say Döner they mean what you ate in Instanbul. So the claim "germany invented the döner" just means "germany invented the food as you see it in this video". Not the base product itself. This was the work of the Ottoman Empire.
Exactly, this is not an invention but a derivation in which many toppings gather along with döner to make a good sandwich. While I tasted and still prefer turkisch one, I must say that the berliner part is so good to have it as a course.
@@ege-sucu1 Just like the Greeks and the Gyros, all of them come from the Turkish Doner Kebab
you are in exactly the same situation as America with hamburgers and hot dogs. Leave the kebab to the Turks, it is convenient for you
It also was a Turkish migrant who invented this variant of Döner. He just adapted it to the German market. So as a German I definitely wouldn’t claim it as a German invention. But I definitely appreciate it ❤ 🥙🇹🇷
The Berlin Doner is to Turkish Kebab what the New York Slice is to Italian Pizza. A beautiful thing.
Yes!! My two fav RUclips food geeks, united at last!
guys i am from bursa türkiye this is our dignity döner i am also so happy to see it became of german eating traditon by different ways I respect all of the ideas
Actually Bursa's famous dish is iskender kebap, not döner. Since Bursa kebab is made out of ground beef, döner cannot be considered the markable dish of Bursa. Maybe Ankara, Artvin etc.
Döner Kebab ist eine Berliner Erfindung. Es geschah in Berlin: Der Legende nach steckte Kadir Nurman 1972 als Erster das Fleisch in einen Fladen- und hatte die in Deutschland so beliebte Variante des Döners erfunden.
@@GardenArcher7625 typical german propaganda 🤣 it was invented in turkey. stop claiming everything you european.
@@sahtesarisinmuzaffer lan olm, iskender döner zaten!!
@@eren3390 The Döner Kebab is from Turkey yes, but the style served here in Berlin is not from Turkey, they served it on plates and not in a bread with sauces and vegetables
Salut Alex and Andong! This is the collaboration I have waiting for in this series.
Andong, I still use your homemade recipe (even if I have modified it slightly to my own preferred taste) but it's always delicious! 🙂😋❤
I had my first Berlin döner kebab underneath a DildoKing sign
That’s how you do it. Cheers
I was wondering why I haven’t seen your videos on my recommendations. Missed ya man, welcome back!
For me the Döner drink of choise is Uludag and I can see here 10:55 that I'm not alone because those cans at the bottom are unmistakeably it :D
Where is the good old Çai tea
this collaboration is what the establishment fears most
The problem about the Kebaps in Berlin and generally in Europe, they are mostly made of minced meat. Not in the the way of putting leafs of meats onto each other. That mostly kills the taste of the traditional one and makes it more simple tasted we could say. I think that is why it is better as a sandwich, with all the stuff inside. The meat doesn't taste as good, you have to cover it with something. I don't say European döner doesn't taste good, it is a variation. However, it can't be more than a fast food I think. Traditional döner is on another level.
In Germany, it can't be advertised as döner if it has more than 60% mincemeat. The rest has to be stacked sheets of meat, usually veal, while in the UK and some other countries, it's almost always lamb from 100% mincemeat.
Andong my Bratan, i didnt knew he would become this famous. Alex and Andong, what a time to be alive. great.
11:40 Adamsın Alex!
I would love an Alex and Andong travel show! This was such a delight.
I want a kebab now, and i didnt even watch the vid yet
The duo that we needed ❤
Ohh he did it he actually did it
I expected your Döner-journey to make a detour to berlin, I was not disappointed.
Great to see you working with Andong again ;)
Alex, after seeing this episode I feel that it might be important to you to visit Canada to see what happened in Halifax, NS. Immigrants to Canada introduced the donair to the locals and quickly realized they would have to make changes in order for it to sell well. What we have today is the product of culinary fusion not unlike what you showcased in this video, but instead the solution took a radically different turn. I would love to see your reaction to this polarizing dish as it would show the continued impact that the kebab has on world cusine.
there is no chance for smth called "donair" to be actually good ahahahaha
Oh totally!! I've never been to Halifax but here in Quebec there's this english brew pub I've been going for a long time. One of the students at the university next to it was from Halifax and he worked the kitchen at the pub. There was no way he would last a semester at Bishop's U without eating donairs, so he started making them proper and it became a menu item the while he was around! Good times they were!!!
Turk who has visited Halifax NS and tried the Donair. Wow, I've never been disgusted more by a sauce! I think it's basically similar to mayonnaise but with a ton of sugar added? VERY VERY strange. Tried it at multiple donair shops, (I'm purposefully calling it donair because it really doesn't taste like döner), although there were slight differences, it fell quite flat in all of them. Shouting out an Albanian shop that was selling it and upon hearing I was Turkish, served it to me in a more traditional way, which made it much better.
@@alptuzel534 Hey, if you are used to turkish kebabs then I'm inclined to agree with you in that you are not going to prefer it - this is a dish that has evolved from that to something very different, based on the availability of foods and the general preferences of the local population. The point though is that the kebab has had a big impact on world cusine and this is another expression of that - one that is celebrated in that part of the world.
it's so special that doner kebab has all this amazing history, but it's also a living dish that is still made often and evolving over time
You haven't had the full German Döner experience until you've eaten a Pommes Döner Box at 3am while drunk
Extra points if you suspect there might be some horse meat in there.
Its always great when you see two of your favourite RUclipsrs collab! I really want food now!
No way you’re not going to Greece for some Gyros and or pita in this series 😍 absolute must
This.. was.. AMAZING!
I´m from Germany and my top german cooking RUclipsr would be Andong and my top International and overall would be you by a LONG SHOT! You got me into cooking when the first lockdown happend, i learned so much in your Ramen-Series and adapted so much from it, now i´m a decent Homecook for my Wife! Best Collab 2024, i´m good for Cristmas now, thx Alex!
@@LetsGetAmazingTV 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
10:50 I was fully expecting it to be Fanta Exotic, that's the true second option next to Ayran
Or uludag
@@johnys2417 Efes or a tea if you sit down.
This is the collab I’ve been wishing for! Please repeat it ❤
9:26 €6,00 is not a bargain, it's a nightmare! Before the pandemic, a (decent) Döner was between €3,50 and €4,50. Now you pay €6,00 to €8,00 with Ayran it's €10 or more. For street food in Berlin, this is not cheap anymore. 😕
ja kollege, und vor 30 jahren hat n laib brot 20 pfennig gekostet. kosten sind hochgegangen, plus inflation oben drauf, sollte dich nicht wundern, dass n guter döner keine 3,50 mehr kosten kann. vielleicht sollte man eher mal beim chef fragen, warum der lohn mit der inflation nicht mitgegangen ist (besonders bei firmen die jahr auf jahr erneut rekordprofite schieben).
If the meat would be better, then it’s ok… but the quality doesn’t changed.
@goonswarm007 there are still a lot of places without mystery meat. You can recognise them by the different layers of meat at the grill that doesn't look like a homogenic block.
Aha, what should it cost? Do me a favor and write down a calculation. But also the truth is - a) most stores cheating our taxes! And b) germans are the stingiest Nation also
@m.berlin770 I have no clue what you are getting at. But you are somewhat aggressive in your tone. Chill.
Happy Holidays Alex!
Roasting meat on a vertical spit wasn't invented in Berlin. What was invented in Berlin was putting that kind of meat into a sandwich and stuffing it with some vegetables and salads. Also, the kind of sauce that was put on there, is a typical Berlin invention. Iskender kebab, for example, existed long before Berlin döner ever came to the scene.
It's the Berlin-style döner that then found its way around Europe, although with slight alterations in almost every country. In the Netherlands, for example, the way of serving döner is very similar, to the Berlin style, only the sauces are different. In the Flemish part of Belgium, it's normal to have many of the fry-shack sauces on offer, so you can have "Samurai sauce" on your döner. In the Walloon part, the döner looks more like it does in large parts of France, where they have a tendency to put fries on it.
The "Berlin-style-döner" became so popular, that it eventually found its way back to Turkey, where it's now far more common to serve döner meat in a pide or wrap. It's less common to be offered the same style sauces as in Berlin though. Iskender style Döner Kebab is probably still one of the most popular ways of eating kebab in Turkey. It's not served as a sandwich, but on a plate, topped off with molten butter.
So, döner kebab can be quite different depending on where you eat it. I personally think, the Berlin Style, with the Berlin sauces are still the best. That's also a concept that actually gets exported around the globe. German Döner Kebab or Berlin Döner Kebab has become a thing of its own. Last time I was in France, I was offered tomato ketchup on my Döner Kebab... yuck?! France may be a culinary melting pot, but in regards to Döner Kebab, you still have a way to go. ;)
The vertical spit context was established in one of the previous videos in this series.
The Berlin version didn't find its way to the UK until about 2015, when a chain called "GDK" (German Döner Kebab) opened. They now have 146 branches but there are 17000 normal doner kebab shops in the UK. These kinds of doner kebab shops existed in London before Berlin had their first Dönerbude. There are now 3 non-chain Berlin style döner places I can think of in London and I think there are a few others up north somewhere so I hope it catches on more. It's very different to the typical doner kebab in the UK, which is made from 100% minced lamb doner and served in a polystyrene container, not a crispy Turkish pide flatbread.
Turks have been putting doner meat on bread or in a durum wrap wayyy before it came to Europe my guy
plat bread has been a thing for thousands of years i highly doubt germany invented putting doner meat between two slices of bread.
Nothing beats a 3AM wrap kebab, samurai sauce with fries and a coke 😂 99% of people in nothern france/belgium will choose wrap/durum/galette kebab when paired with fries. If you take bread kebab with fries you get too "stuffed".
One of the first two RUclips cooking channels, that I subscribed to, collaborate? Finally! ❤
Now Alex needs to hook up with Matty Matheson and get a Halifax Donair.
Congrats you chose the best and most likable food RUclipsr in Germany 🎉
Too bad you can't visit St.Petersburg for an ultimate shawerma kebab with another absolute kebab guru Yury Khovansky.
I wonder what happened, what can't?
@vOdessit 0:19 - apparently Alex travels only direct flights😜
A shawarma by someone called „Yury“? Sounds kinda wrong if you ask me.
@@12beat21 I'm sorry you prefer Yаоi
perfection, two of my favorite youtuber eat the best food ever :)
Have you considered coming to Canada? Specifically Halifax for their unique take on Kebab - the Donair?
Doesn't even need to be Halifax as long as you get the sweet sauce (even though I know they originate from there). I'm in Edmonton and can see 3 Donair places just from my balcony. I think most of Canada has been taken over.
When you are in Berlin again, there is a great place called Vöner and they sell vegan döner kebaps, basically using a replacement for the meat which doesn't taste like meat, but is also delicious and they serve you sauces that are more uncommon in usual Berlin Döner.
Are you going to do a video on Halifax Doner too? Another regional variation that people from there think is the original.
The Halifax Donair is the original Canadian variation. but I've never heard anyone say it's the original Doner Kebab.
Andong and Alex just straight up win !❤
If you are trying different Kebab styles in europe then you should come to Sweden and try "Kebabpizza". It is a very very popular fusion pizza here in Sweden with many regional variants. One of the most popular variants is in the Jönköping/Nässjö region, known for having the best Kebabsauce in the country.
A mix made in heaven and 100% a Swedish one for sure!
@@MrCubeKing 🇹🇷🇮🇹
Proud of Mr. Andong for representing the Berlin Döner Scene!! :) Also very glad you picked Ugur, pretty much the only true quality spot that makes minced meat döner
Had döner in SW Germany around 2008. Still think about it.
Alex needs to make a Leberkäs series next. I want him in Linz, Austria! 😀 Great work as always!
Salut Alex,
When you came back in Paris you need to try Mehmet Kebab near Sacré-Coeur.
In my opinion, best Dönner in town ! Beautiful meat, amazing side dish and a solid selection of natural wines.
Yes, Kebab and Wine... what a treat !
Love from Alsace.
Best series EVER!
RUclips puts ads on the video (or you pay for Premium), Alex puts ads in the video (for his cookware), Sponsor spots in the video (at the start and partway through). It’s getting bloody ridiculous, triple dipping ads. Congrats Alex, you just got me to install SponsorBlock. Good job.
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Here in the Czech Republic we have the German style Döner Kebab, that's what I grew up with. Thanks for the series and making me want Kebab. 😀
Wait until he realizes what a Halifax Donair is.
I knew someone else would comment this. The Halifax Donair is its own cultural phenomenon.
Or Ottawa Shawarma.
@PatGilliland I live here in Ottawa and I've never had one while sober lol
@@nickverbree That being the whole point ;)
Nah I dont want to know, Canada and US are for once not involved. No need for any Chinese like rip off for something made in Turkey. I dislike this episode, should have stayed with the real real Döner where it is made
Hyped. Been waiting for this since you said filming in berlin
Sorry guys but chicken döner is all over Turkey..It was invented here.. Sebzeli tavuk ( chicken and veg ) döner is a thing here..And Andong I really like you but most of these Turkish shops might get their ideas from shops here in Türkiye.. And just by adding red cabbage, cheese and sauce does not make döner Berliner!
I live in Berlin since 25 years and from all the different Döner locations throughout the city Rüyam is still my favourite. 😋
Went to Ruyam in berlin and this is worth the wait. Incredible Döner, absolutely perfect
Dürüm is criminally underrepresented in these videos, thats my go to for 20 years.
La meilleure chaîne RUclips du monde !
Listening to his community proves that he s just the perfect RUclipsr! ❤
Super proud of our European food variety and I like learning about the various Kebab options!
Andong! The real expert on this subject