@@joseontiveros8859 The guys that I would work with as a NAVY SEAL would be 3rd Battalion/75th Ranger Regiment And the C Squadron, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1st SFOD-D) and I would kill some bad guys with them and go on Missions with them too and so I would work with these guys as a NAVY SEAL and just go on missions with these guys and really kill some bad guys with them and I want to work with these guys as a Navy Seal I wanna be a NAVY SEAL because I want to fight for the fallen brothers and sisters that are dead from the bombing blast on August 26th 2021 in Kabul Afghanistan like these guys But I would also die for these guys and I wouldn’t care if I get put on a cross by the bad guys but as a Navy Seal I would work with these guys the C squadron Special Forces Operational Delta Detachment (1st SFOD-D) and the 3rd Battalion/75th Ranger Regiment and go on Missions with these guys but as a NAVY SEAL I would want to work with these guys Marine Corp : SGT Johnny Rosario Pichardo Marine Corp : Sgt Nicole Gee Marine Corp : Staff Sgt Darian T Hoover Marine Corp : Lance Cpl David L Espinoza Marine Corp : Lance Cpl Hunter Lopez Marine Corp : Lance Cpl Rylee J McCollum Marine Corp : Lance Cpl Dylan R Merola Marine Corp : Lance Cpl Kareem M Nikoui Marine Corp : Lance Cpl Jared M SchmitzEver Marine Corp : Cpl Humberto A Sánchez Marine Corp : Cpl Daegan W Page Navy Hospital : Corpsman Maxton W Soviak Army : Staff Sgt Ryan C Knauss And I would kill some bad guys with these guys and so I would love to kill some bad guys with these guys and and I wouldn’t care if a women or male with that got Ak-47 and so I would love to kill some bad guys with these guys but I would work with these guys as a Navy Seal
Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment. Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier, who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger, my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other soldier. Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight, and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it may be, one hundred percent and then some. Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow. Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country. Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor. RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
Not only that but they asked 3 times to go in knowing it was certain death. It wasn't till the 3rd request that they got the green light. Shughart and Gordon went way back and went through the Q-course together. Gordon died and shughart decided to go out with his brother.
I was a sophomore in high school when this happened. I remember seeing the aftermath dead American being dragged through the streets on the news. I read the book before the movie came out. The movie is about 80% accurate. Some people were switched around from where they were in real life, a couple of people are fictional, and timing between some events was condensed. One piece of interesting trivia. In the movie when the helicopter ( Star 41) lands at the first crash and evacs the 2 Delta operators, the pilot in the movie is the actual pilot who did it in real life.
In one of the behind the scene video, a helicopter flies right over a camera crew, just a few feet above them, as the scene was in active filming, 2+ camera crews shooting at the same time, with explosions near by lol
My dad was in Mogadishu in the months leading up to this event. He actually knew Matt Eversman and slept in the same tent as him once, he remembered he chewed the grossest tobacco lol but one thing he says the movie gets wrong is that Eversman never went back out after he got back to base after the first time. Doesn't blame Eversman but the movie got it wrong
When I went to Benning for basic, our company First Sergeant was the Ranger who dropped his SAW when fastroping out of a Blackhawk. People had since made a lot of jokes about how it killed ten or so Somalis on the way down, before he picked it up in fully working condition.
I was a member of the 75th Ranger Regiment in the mid and late 1990s, and I knew some of the guys who were there that day in Mogadishu, so I can say with full certainty that Elvis Wolcott was absolutely right, a word doesn’t have to be in the dictionary to count in Scrabble, "limo" and other terms in common usage are completely valid.
What I really admire about Cliff Wolcott was that he had the presence of mind to pitch the nose of Super 6-1 down before the crash, ensuring that the crew in the back had a fighting chance to live.
Combat veteran here. Saving Private Ryan is considered the best WW2 movie in terms of realism (apart from like Schindler's List). I would say this is the best depiction of modern warfare. The chaos. The complete incompetence of comms and orders coming down that make no sense, like "Head north from there." "Um, north would take us into a ravine, sir." "Hang on. Let me figure this out." (gunfire hitting the Humvee) The troop movement is realistic. The sounds of bullets whizzing by is realistic. The enemy firing thousands of rounds but not hitting anything. The weird mix of full-on combat and regular civilians who don't seem to notice all the combat. This movie gives me PTSD twitches. We had different alerts that a person would shout to get everyone out to the vehicles. REDCON1 was the usual, where you moved with a purpose, but not a full-on sprint. But if you heard the dreaded Blackhawk Down (we used it for any type of chopper crash), it doesn't matter if you're in flip flops and shorts, you move your ass. Every second counts in beating the insurgents to the bird.
My father was 10th Mountain Division during this (a part of the response force sent in to help) and thought they did a great job on the film. The more he has opened up about his experience during Somalia, the more impactful this movie feels for my family.
This movie deserves all the credit for depicting the absolute chaos of these civilians running around causing mass confusion. Literally hundreds of people whom you have no idea who they are or what they're planning or why they're just milling around a gunfight like it's not even happening.
MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart, the two Delta Force snipers are heros. Nobody can say any different. They knew the odds of making it out alive and they went anyways. They'll forever be remembered as such. Same goes for the others who fought and died in the Battle of Mogadishu.
I think they knew it was a lost cause but they couldn't watch a brother in arms go out like that. They chose to be with Durant and protect him as long as they could. Heroes.
I love that you're not afraid to cry on camera. I feel like a lot of people are afraid to show emotions, so they hide it by telling annoying jokes. Watching you tear up majority of the movie made me tear up.
Gordon and Shughart. Both absolute legends! Went down fighting like lions protecting their fallen comrades. They were truly warriors and died taking many down with them as they could.
Its actually amazing to me how many actors that were in this film are like household names today or that everyone has seen in some big movie or tv show at least.
@@anthonyejike5594 who? The actors? I mean you have Orlando Bloom, Tom Hardy, Ewan McGregor just to name a few but look up the movie cast and youll see many more.
A lot of the things that we do today as Soldiers stemmed from this mission. Ensuring everyone has their night vision, checking all plates, and checking water. Because of this mistakes made on the precombat checks on this mission it changed our tactics forever.
@9:46... The soldier defending the black hawk was Staff Sergeant Daniel Busch. He was shot four times while protecting the wounded men inside and waiting for reinforcements to show up. Which was a little over an hour. He succumbed to his wounds a short time after being rescued.
Former combat medic here. They showed us this movie a lot during medic school, to prepare us for the sheer horror of what we would face in the field. it didn't prepare us enough.
What makes Jamie's death more tragic (and is something I missed completely even after watching this movie dozens of times) is that early on in the movie, he said what would end up being his last words to brush off any worry of the upcoming mission: "It's nothing."
I remember when I joined the military back in 2000 I had a Sergeant that was there. He was at the gate at the stadium where all the soldiers came running in at the end of the movie. When he told me that story it was powerful and that was before this movie ever came out. Every time I watch this movie it hits home.
What he means by they just lost the initiative is before the Black Hawk crash they could choose when to fight and where to fight. Being mobile gave the rangers a huge advantage. With the Black Hawk Down it gives the militia a target that has to be defended but can't move.
Durant even said that it wasn’t a rifle butt that clocked him, it was an arm that was torn from one of his dead crew members. They changed it to a rifle butt in the movie because they thought it was too much for such to be filmed.
@@hollywoodghostbusters9869 He mentioned that he had always told the family it was a rifle because he didn't want them to know that detail as it was already bad enough. But he wanted to keep the accuracy of what really happened.
I was in Okinawa a month after this went down. We were always on standby to go "mop-up" but the Army didn't want the Marines back in there. We ended up going in a year later to help move all the UN's construction equipment and vehicles. Different landscape at that point. Speaking of landscape...one thing this movie didn't capture was the "red moon dust" quality of the sand there. Somalia sucks. As for this movie, when it came out I was "walking the fence" on getting out or staying in the Marine Corps because we were tip-toe retaliating in Afghanistan and OIF was barely in the planning stages because the UN weapons inspectors kept giving extensions and resolutions. They had found WMD parts, components, motors, delivery vehicles but were short on the chemicals. BESIDES that fact, they were being stonewalled and not let into certain areas. It didn't seem like the US was going to form a coalition and do forced inspections. I was ready to go try civilian life. THIS MOVIE, however, reminded me why I stayed in the first two times...the guys next to me. Glad I stayed in, because I got to see first-hand all the BS that went on in Iraq. I didn't make it to Afghanistan until 2012, but I got to go to Iraq three times. The first time, it was like Jarhead and our unit was a mirror for 1st Recon from Generation Kill. The second time, after the infrastructure has been returned to the people, I wouldn't have been surprised to see big red barns and grain silos. The last time...back to square one with disinformation and foreign actors running a malicious insurgency. Then we did ourselves no favors and lost the backing of the people. We did what the Army did here...we jacked it up enough and caused enough damage that it was time to cut our loses and leave it to the ING to keep the peace. Then ISIS came in a tore them up in no time. So...lessons learned...let the third-world countries take care of themselves, let the rest of the countries associated with the UN pay their fair share, and never, ever, EVER do any work with civilian contractors. FU Blackwater. FU Triple Canopy. FU Prince Harry, you little bi7ch.
Task Force Ranger was comprised of the 75th Ranger Regiment (the premier light infantry special operations unit), Delta Force (the military's most secretive and elite unit), and the 160th SOAR (Night Stalkers).
My father was there. Once the first BH went down it was all hands on deck. I served years later and deployed in a different environment however this movie is pretty spot on with what happens. Its all chaos, incompetent leadership. The way we train is the way we fight, its all instinct, minimum time to think. This is brfore we learned urban tactics. My seniors who were in fallujah are the ones we learned from for CQB tactics. Appreciate your genuine reactions o7
One of the biggest things for me with this film is that a good number of the helicopter pilots used in the film were actually there on October 3/4, including Chief Warrant Officer Keith Jones, pilot of Star 4-1, recreated his rescue of Delta Sergeant Daniel Busch at the Super 6-1 crash site. Even some of the video footage playing on the monitors is from the actual event. Obviously there are a lot of differences between the book and the film, but the book gives so much more information. It's a riveting read. The Ranger Creed states "I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy." That's why McKnight went back out into the fight and Cliff Wolcott was cut out of the wreckage of Super 6-1. When CNN aired footage of the dead bodies of the 6-4 crew and Shugart and Gordon were aired on live TV, Delta Operators were already back in the city looking for them and Mike Durant. Task Force Ranger stayed in Somalia until EVERYONE was recovered and brought home.
My Mother and I saw this movie in the cinema and we both walked out in a daze to say the least. A great film, one of the best. you picked up a lot of nuances really quickly, mad respect
You know what I miss - the discussions afterwards between Arianna and Chad. Two smart, charming people with lots of knowledge and context discussing some of the best films ever... was really a highlight for me :)
Worked in VA on a security team and we had a few guys (Rangers) that were portrayed in this movie from chalk #4 and the EOD unit that removed the RPG RD and another from the Night Stalkers. They said the movie was very close to how it was but didn't show how low the little birds really were and the amount of body parts / hamburg and pink the walls were after they did gun runs down the alley ways. and by the end how anyone with a weapon including women/child were shot, no one was giving warnings
That's the reality of war. Yes we have rules of engagement but as soon as bullets start flying anyone that isn't in the same uniform as the guys left and right of me is going to get shot no warnings if they have a weapon. It's like Hoot said, it's about the people next to you in this scenario. Keep everyone on your side safe
Anyone with an index finger and a weapon is a threat. It sucks, makes one question morality, but reality always wins. As an aside, Shughart & Gordon were beasts.
Publicly, I have heard that enemy and "civilian" deaths were officially stated at 700-1,500. I suspect, from reading the book that it was, possibly, WELL over 2,000. After the battle had been going on for a while, the little bird pilots were given permission to fire on any large groups of people in the vicinity whether they saw weapons or not. If they weren't fleeing the area then they were considered hostile and they couldn't risk the enemy being able to amass a large enough group, armed or unarmed, to completely overwhelm the guys on the ground by sheer numbers. The incident with the strobe in the movie was actually opposite of what was portrayed. The guys used the strobes to mark their own positions and the little birds absolutely lit up anything around the marked areas all night long. Then, when the rescue column entered the city, they went in with guns blazing, lobbing grenades in open windows and firing around every corner. They didn't stop shooting until they reached the strobes.
The real life soldier that he was playing PFC Blackburn really didn't even manage to participate the mission or eventual battle, he didn't even fire a shot. He actually missed the rope and fell off the Black Hawk during insertion, severely injuring himself. The 3 Humvees that were dispatched to MEDEVAC him back to base were also accurate (including Sgt Pilla's death).
LOTR had already finished filming by the time BHD had started to film (aside from small pick-up shots). It's likely that he just still wasn't that well-known of an actor
Disgusting fact: in the scene where the pilot Michael Durant gets hit in the head with an AK while being captured, in his book he later revealed that’s not exactly what happened. The militia ripped the arm off of one of the deltas bodies and used that to hit him in the head.
After ten years as a Blackhawk guy. I ran out of more paper towels than you can know. I appreciate your open mind and true emotion to what we do. Want to know what war is like. It is every emotion you have turned on to full blast everyday and you will discover emotions you don't know. Never ever would I leave a fallen brother. In the army we don't care where you are from, race, creed, religion. We do not fight so much what is in front of us. But, for those next to us and behind us. Nothing is more nobel than laying down your life for a Brother or Sister. I carried 9 of the 49 we lost and it is in my head everyday. Because I placed them all on my shoulders to live a good and respectful life like they would want to live. If they were still here. No more 22. That is the average of service members commiting suicide. It has to end. We can help each other like we did when all shit hit the fan. Thank you again for a very logical take on something that was really botched.
The movie doesn't really explain the tension between the Ranger leadership and the Deltas. The Rangers were for better or worse, "Regular Army", populated with mainly 20ish year old soldiers. The Deltas were basically "SAS Plus", the baddest guys in the US Army. The young Rangers emulated the Deltas, without having the experience to pull off the stuff the Deltas did. Hence Captain Steele's issue with trigger safeties
It is insane to think Josh Hartnet did two war movies back-to-back and had them come out in the same year, one of them being a massive disappointment and the other (this) being one of the best war movies in long time. Another amazing war movie, overshadowed by another is The Thin Red Line (overshadowed by Saving Private Ryan), and while it isnt on the same level as Spielberg's masterpiece, it is a movie that will make you feel something as well. Also, I strongly recommend The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx, Jennifer Garner, Jason Bateman and Chris Cooper. And amazing post 9/11 Middle Eastern war film. Let's just mention the stacked cast of amazing actors prior to many big breaks, and character actors who have memorable roles: Tom Hardy Ewan Bremmer Kim Coates Sam Sheppard Ty Burrell Orlando Bloom Tom Sizemore
The movie is based on the book. The book is basically accurate including the femoral artery scene, Blackburn missing the rope, Delta, the Mogadishu mile at the end.
I love and appreciate people that react with horror to the hell of war. Myself, I grew up on so many action movies that I get desensitized to the real stuff sometimes. Awesome reaction, Arianna. Thanks.
What kills me a out the blackhawk down incident. Is that it so angered the American public and was such a PR disaster that we completely pulled out. . . But it was one of those rare times where we were truely on the right side and were the "good guys" the international community could have made a stand agianst corruption, and we backed down. . . . It sucks
tf do you mean on the right side? Right before this mission US bombed a clan elders meeting that was trying to pressure Aidiid to stop the fighting, They thought Aidiid was there, 200 DIED! THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE CITY WENT MAD. Good guys my ass lmao
A great time watching this with you! It's one of the best war movies in my opinion. It truly honored the operation and the context it took place in. Alas, things can always go wrong, even if the best units are taking action.
Tears of the Sun really is another hard hitting movie that shows that, despite what we would wish, not all human beings are the same. The West forged itself in oceans of blood and brutality and we came out the other side ... but we think others are the same and they are not. They still have their own red oceans to make and swim across and we can't help them or stop them. In trying we have doomed ourselves.
"Its about the men next to you. Thats it, thats all it is" this is why men, young men especially crave these bonds and trials. Its why i craved it ultimately. Brotherhood
There are three scenes from war movies that I literally can't re-watch. The surgery scene at the end of this movie, Wade's death in Saving Private Ryan, and a certain tree-related shootout scene with Ben Foster in Lone Survivor (don't think they've watched that one yet). Just horrific.
I saw an interview with Mark Wahlberg where they talked about the making of Lone Survivor. He brought up the stunt men. He said, when it came to the scenes where the soldiers threw themselves down the mountain, the stuntmen were determined to show exactly what the soldiers went through. So they literally threw themselves down the mountain with no pads or nets. Several ended up in the hospital because they wanted everyone to see just what those soldiers did.
I was a Junior in college when this all went down. I, myself, could have been in the military at this time. I had an Army Recruiter pushing me pretty hard to join while I was still in HS. The one thing that finally got him off my back was that I wanted to go to college to learn to restrict the advancement of AI to prevent a SkyNet situation. This was 32+ years ago. Little did i know, SkyNet would start in 2023 with ChatBot GTP. But getting back to this film and actual event, the one thing that this film doesn't really touch on is what made the Somalis so fanatic in their fighting. And that's a narcotic leaf that they'd chew on that would give them this high that would make them fight in a psychotic fashion. The warlords would provide this drug to them for free practically just to get them to fight for them without questioning their own actions. There's a Director's Cut version available on 4K Blu ray and standard DVD, but not regular 2K Blu ray. Why? Idk, but it's stupid that the Blu ray included with the 4K set doesn't include the DC. I had the DVD version and it includes some extra scenes of the raid into the warlord's villa and pre-raid stuff back at the base, among other things.
At first, I thought she had a ridiculously emotional reaction, and then I remembered that I'd seen this movie 100 times, and she is actually in fact the one with the appropriate reaction, not I.
Excellent film with excellent performances all around. Too bad Josh Hartnett and Eric Bana walked away from major Hollywood films not long after this they're both great in their roles here.
My high school football served in Somalia, he watched a super 6-4 spin above him, he told us when he got home the one thing he remembered hearing was super 6-4's mayday call and the helicopter slamming into the ground.
My mother was very good friends with a few of the Blackhawk pilots depicted in this movie, she was wasn't able to deploy with them but listened in to all the radio traffic with a few other friends on base. To this day she refuses to watch this movie stating "I knew these men as they were in life, I don't need a Hollywood actor to remember them."
@@ComradeZamora got you the didnt get to deploy with part had me confused , ofcouse idk why a stateside airwoman is listening to comms half the world away on a raid that was supposed to be secret
@tylerfreal6472 From my knowledge, other branches of the military work with other branches. I never pressed her for more exact details of her involvement, but I'm sure she had played some part that allowed access to certain comms.
This is my first time watching your reaction videos. I can appreciate your genuine reaction for the trauma that veterans sustained. With that said, I’d love to see you watch Lone Survivor. I still cry every time I just watch the closing scene where they show all the photos of the real soldiers in operation.
Great movie and showing of modern warfare. A little fun-fact: the actor who plays Grimes is Ewan McGregor, who played Obi-Wan in the Prequels and TV series. This was filmed in between Ep. 1 and Ep 2. A not-so-fun fact: "Grimes" was not actually the real name of that soldier. The filmmakers changed it because the real soldier had been convicted of r*ping his daughter and the Pentagon requested an alternate, fictional name in order to not put a black mark on the Pentagon's public image.
Fun fact for those who don't know, "I hear bells ringing!" is good. If you have a loud noise go off and after you hear ringing, that means you can hear. Doesn't mean its back fully though.
Great Reaction on a side note we lost a GREAT ONE few months ago Tom Sizemore [ McKnight ] I met him during the filming of this . He was a true friend we stayed in contact .
I was a kid when I saw this never really understood til I got older and it still breaks me to tears of what the hell went on there. Some war films I feel like civil war, ww1, ww2, Vietnam, black hawk, etc I can't imagine what kind of hell solders go through
Sad part is the people of Mogadishu were lied to by the warlords that we were there to invade them. No one had to die on any side. The ONLY criticism I'd give this film is, is they don't highlight the other UN forces that were helping there. They fought hard to defend the crash site until the bodies could be extracted, and lost several men as well. For a film with much younger Sam Shepard, "The Right Stuff" is really good. He's in ThunderHeart and Pelican Brief and a lot more stuff.
One of my cousins was a Ranger on the ground with then-Captain Steele in Mogadishu that day; he said pretty much the same thing about him. That was a nightmare situation they were in.
I remember when that was happening. The local warlords were stealing everything the UN brought in and then redistributing it themselves to keep control Clinton was being criticised for not doing anything because he was more concerned with attacking Serbia So he finally acted and sent in a weak force It was fascial As the forces came ashore there were cameras everywhere to film them coming in.
In OSUT I was the 240 gunner (machine gun for people who don’t know) and we were doing training exercises with blank rounds and ear pro. That shit was still loud. I can’t imagine how live rounds must sound like when fired that close to you.
One thing left out of the movie, that I really wished they had included, was just HOW they "negotiated" the release of the choppper pilot... Durant. In an interview, the American negotiator said it was the easiest one he ever did. Sometime after the battle he met with Adid's spokesoerson. After listening to their list of demands. He simple said that he would see what he could do, but if Durant wasnt released soon, then there was no way anyone could stop what America eas about to reign down. By this point, the US had brought in heavy armor and an Aircraft Carrier task force. He said that basically they would level the city. .... Durant was soon released without a single enemy demand being met. Although the US did eventually pull out of the area and it was several years and many changes in tactics efore we would put boots on the ground again.
You can never judge people on their reactions to this kind of stuff. Some become catatonic, some freeze, and some, thankfully, become MORE focused and pragmatic and thus useful in these hellish scenarios. It’s important to remember, if you’re not familiar with the U.S. military hierarchy, the Delta Force is the elite of elite army forces, while the Rangers are just a tad below in repution and notoriety. God bless the U.S army and those who have died, not just for the American people , but those who have died for these noble humanitarian missions .
I remember seeing the video of the locals pulling the bodies of the soldiers out of the Blackhawks, that seen was still powerfully but tastefully done, what I watched in reality was much, much more graphic and disturbing.
I remember in Basic Training they showed the Scene from @20:00. Part of the first aid portion training we received was that a life threatening injury like that could have been prevented with a Tourniquet higher up on the thigh, but that knowledge was a result of incidents like his. It’s sad to see moments like this, but understand that sad moments like this can be the birth to new knowledge that can save lives
One of my drill sgt's back in 03 was in the Mog, he was a certified bad ass. I look back and realize he was so hard on us cause he'd seen the brutality of war and was only trying to prepare us to survive it cause he knew where we were headed to war too. I loved and hated him at the time, now its only love. Now I realize his intensity with us came from a place of love. He wanted us to have the best chance to survive what was coming.
its crazy how every generation of infantry at benning has a DS who was in some shit show, i was in benning in 2010, i had a DS who was in the korengal valley. they replaced the guys who lost the medic "restrepo".
We learned a lot from Somalia. We learned how savage and barbaric those people are. We learned that the jungle warfare training held over from Vietnam was not going to cut it. But most importantly. The combat medical practices we now do and train because of how unprepared we were for Mogadishu.
Before our son enlisted as a 68W, a combat medic, I made my wife watch Black Hawk Down, Hacksaw Ridge, Saving Private Ryan, and Band of Brothers. I told her to pay attention to what happens when, during a firefight, someone yells "Doc!" or "Medic!" That is the career our son chose, and I couldn't be more proud. After Operation Gothic Serpent, the Army completely overhauled Tactical Combat Casualty Care, building on the lessons learned from the Battle of Mogadishu.
the Somalia conflict was not the 1st gulf war. it was a conflict all on its own. another thing about this is since the warlord was seizing food shipments he was telling the population that he would give them food if they fought the Americans. So he used hunger to get people to do what they probably would never have done in the first place.
As bad as this operation was there was alot learned from it. One of the Delta Operators stayed in for 20 years after this incident (Tom Satterly check him out on the Shawn Ryan Show its the last time he will ever publicly speak about this incident) when he got back and started training new guys in the unit he was a real hard ass and one time someone tried to call him out on it he told them "I make a big deal about little stuff like this because those were the things that got our guys killed in Somalia, I act like this because I'm trying to keep you alive"
THE WORST PART IS THAT BLACK HAWKS WENT DOWN EARLIER THAT YEAR AND SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE BUT THEY WEREN’T FOLLOWED THROUGH. This was completely avoidable.
Immediately clicked on this I cannot believe ya'll hadn't seen this yet Next to Band of Brothers, easily the best depiction of actual war Top 10 film for me
I joined the army shortly after this happened, met one of the Rangers that was there, from My home state, eventually joined the Maine State Troopers, when he left the army. that last mile they ran the guys called it the Mogadishu mile. thank you for your reactions, very few people understand the brother hood, or why we do it.
You should read the book that the movie is based on. It's a great read. I read it when it was first published in 1999, 5 years after I left the Marine Corps. I didn't know the whole story of how Somalia transpired and all the political and military dynamics of the time. All I knew about the Battle of Mogidishu at the time was while I was sitting in Hong Kong probably getting drunk with my buddies. I was with 1st Bn, 9thMar; the "Walking Dead" and 10 days after this happened, I was sitting off the coast of Somalia on a Navy ship. We saw all the intel videos of the helicopters and some of the city fighting while we were sailing from Hong Kong to Somalia. I was a young 24 yr old infantryman in a helicopter assualt company and talk about the stress level of flying around Somalia once we got there was just buzzing around in my head. I remember that horrid humid heat of 110 degrees or more and even the nights were also very hot. Our first flight was at like 2 in the morning and it was pitch black as we flew in the darkness. The helicopters are very loud on the inside so you usually need to wear ear plugs and not much talking happens. I remember looking out of the window and the entire night sky looked like the 4th of July fireworks with tracer rounds going every where. It took me a few minutes of asking myself what they were shooting at until I realized that they hear us flying over but they can't see us. Those were crazy times and we had a few close calls in the helicopters and a Navy helicopter crashed on take off, killing everyone on board. I had never smelled so much death in all my life and it was worse under the extreme heat. We left Somalia in Feb. 1994 and in April 94 I was discharged after 4yrs & 2mo of service (my enlistment was extended so I could complete the deployment). The whole thing felt surreal becase it felt like in an instant that I went from sweating gallons of water doing patrols and sleeping on the ground to sitting on the couch feeling clean. I'm glad to see this movie be reviewed and reacted to. Lots of people forget about the hardships and sacrifice tyring to protect those people. We lost 1 Marine who was only 19 or 20 and he had a 1yr old son. I met his now 30yr old son last year at a reunion. He was able to speak to a few of the Marines that were friends with his dad. So many young died there and all Bill Clinton did was pull the US out of there. That move made America look weak and the warlords celebrated by telling all the world that "If you make America bleed then they will tuck tail and run". I feel that is when terrorist became emboldened to escalate harm against the western world. I now have a Master's degree and have had a successful 27 year IT career but being in the Marine Corps was the best job I ever had. There was nothing better than to listen to Disposable Hero's by Metallica while we got battle ready and boarded our helicopters with my buddies.
I know nowadays, most, if not all units, going out like this go fully loaded with gear. I don’t know if this event was the cause, but I know it’s better to be prepared. As they say, it’s better to have and not need it than not have it and need it
This incident started ALOT of tactics these units use to this day, such as the supply bags in hot zones dropped from helicopters. That wasn't invented yet and Tom Sutton (or Saterly his last name escapes me but he was a Delta member and there during this battle) was in the middle of the street picking up rounds because the improvised method of dropping them ammo at the time resulted in everything splashed out everywhere. Edit: He did a podcast interview with either Team House or Combat Story here on youtube.
They also changed other things. An operation like that would not go down today without Apache gunships and A10 warthogs providing heavy air support. And probably even a B52 loitering overhead with JDAM precision bombs hitting every building nearby. Also..all Humvees would probably be up-armored to handle small arms better and have Bradley fighting vehicles alongside with their Bushmaster cannons. Basically, the rule now is to go in hard and heavy and absolutely overwhelm the enemy.
There were a lot of Air Force Special Forces guys imvolved in this fight. They are called Combact Comptrollers. The guy calling in the air strikes that lost his thumb was a Comptroller. Just easier to call everyone a Seal ot Ranger than having to explain a new apecial forces unti that no pne has heard of.
The Air Force guys were primarily a mix of Combat Controllers and Pararescue (PJs) from what was then the 1724th Special Tactics Squadron, out of Pope Air Force Base. The 1724th job was to support Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) Special Mission Units (SMUs), like "Delta" and "SEAL Team Six". There were also AF Special Operations Tactical Air Controllers and Combat Weathermen attached to the 75th Ranger Regiment.
The guy that lost a thumb in the movie was Scott Galentine, who was a Ranger. There was a crew chief from the 160th SOAR who got his finger tips shot off while the PJs were providing medical aid on him. Air Force PJ Scott Fales was shot up at the first crash site but there's no record in the book of a combat controller losing a thumb. Jeff Bray was with the Deltas and Dan Schilling was in the convoy with McKnight.
I remember as kid seeing the video on the news of them dragging Shughart and Gordon’s bodies through the streets. Gosh it was shitty situation. Also, read the book. It tells the perspective from the Delta’s, Ranger’s, rear command and the Somali’s
I just found your channel a few days ago Arianna and I absolutely love your “First Time Watching” series. I am binge watching them all 🤣🤣 I’m not sure if you take any requests but I’d love to see your reaction to a few movies I don’t think you’ve done yet. But you may have seen them already. Lone Survivor 12 Monkeys Scent of a Woman The book of Eli Just throwing out some ideas. God bless and keep up the great work!! 🙏❤️
This is why you gotta love our troops. Most all of them, especially the infantry and combat arms dudes, are all willing to throw it all on the line and its an everyday thing for them. Thanks for reviewing the movie. You should review Lone Survivor.
This is based on true events but there's also actual aerial footage footage of this whole incident that looks just like the movie can be found on RUclips
The movie is amazing but the true story is even more insane. They had four helicopters hit - two were able to either get to a green zone or to the airstrip. The humvees that got shredded had just gotten armored doors that very morning as they had been doing missions with no doors at all. Washington denied the deployment of tanks and specter gunships because Clinton was too worried about appearing too aggressive. And the helicopter gun runs went nonstop all through the night holding the city back as the rangers positions were marked with reflective panels they had on them. The helicopters were also dropping water and ammo to the friendly positions. But the rangers also didn’t kit up correctly as some of them took the heavy backplate out of their vests, didn’t pack their NVGs and didn’t pack much in the way of supplies as they had assumed they’d be back in thirty minutes. It didn’t help that the UN peace keepers were dragging their feet and there was even parts of that element that were signaling the militias during previous missions. It’s no small miracle that they didn’t lose more than they did because everything was stacked against them and it was their camaraderie and the pilots refusing to stop that saved the day.
Colonel McKnight (convoy leader and highest ranking soldier on the field) said that the portrayal of events in the book were about 90% accurate and the movie itself about 75%. At least one of the Delta Force operatives was still in active duty when the book was written. If I remember correctly, "Hoot's" full name Norman Hooten, was left out of the original publishing. Also, the guy that had the RPG in him still had some signs of life when they got back to base, he did not survive, but I believe he was still showing signs of brain activity. It's been many years since I read the book in high school, so my memory might not be totally accurate.
Hoot in the movie is a mix of three characters, one of them being Norman Hooten. He is now a Pharmacist in Georgia I believe, though it's been a while since I read up on him.
I shed a few tears along with you Arianna, your empathy is bitter sweet to watch. It's a shame your government uses one's empathy to turn them against thier neighbor.
I remember seeing a dead, naked special forces being dragged in the street on the news. it aired once. but i never forgot that image. it terrified me as a child. now understanding as a man.
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@@joseontiveros8859 The guys that I would work with as a NAVY SEAL would be 3rd Battalion/75th Ranger Regiment
And the C Squadron, 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1st SFOD-D) and I would kill some bad guys with them and go on Missions with them too and so I would work with these guys as a NAVY SEAL and just go on missions with these guys and really kill some bad guys with them and I want to work with these guys as a Navy Seal I wanna be a NAVY SEAL because I want to fight for the fallen brothers and sisters that are dead from the bombing blast on August 26th 2021 in Kabul Afghanistan like these guys
But I would also die for these guys and I wouldn’t care if I get put on a cross by the bad guys but as a Navy Seal I would work with these guys the
C squadron Special Forces Operational Delta Detachment (1st SFOD-D) and the 3rd Battalion/75th Ranger Regiment and go on Missions with these guys but as a NAVY SEAL I would want to work with these guys
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Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.
Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier, who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger, my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other soldier.
Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight, and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it may be, one hundred percent and then some.
Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.
Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
Gordon and Shughart, they were the first medal of honor recipients since Vietnam. They died protecting their brothers.
Fair winds and following seas
That scene is called medel of honor
Every American should know the names Shughart and Gordon.
@@brendanridge9917 I do. But it's so hard to remember so many.
Not only that but they asked 3 times to go in knowing it was certain death. It wasn't till the 3rd request that they got the green light. Shughart and Gordon went way back and went through the Q-course together. Gordon died and shughart decided to go out with his brother.
I was a sophomore in high school when this happened. I remember seeing the aftermath dead American being dragged through the streets on the news. I read the book before the movie came out. The movie is about 80% accurate. Some people were switched around from where they were in real life, a couple of people are fictional, and timing between some events was condensed. One piece of interesting trivia. In the movie when the helicopter ( Star 41) lands at the first crash and evacs the 2 Delta operators, the pilot in the movie is the actual pilot who did it in real life.
In one of the behind the scene video, a helicopter flies right over a camera crew, just a few feet above them, as the scene was in active filming, 2+ camera crews shooting at the same time, with explosions near by lol
My dad was in Mogadishu in the months leading up to this event. He actually knew Matt Eversman and slept in the same tent as him once, he remembered he chewed the grossest tobacco lol but one thing he says the movie gets wrong is that Eversman never went back out after he got back to base after the first time. Doesn't blame Eversman but the movie got it wrong
What? That is what I call true realism
@@clayleroy5884 According to the book, Everman wasn't even at the first crash site, he was on the convoy.
When I went to Benning for basic, our company First Sergeant was the Ranger who dropped his SAW when fastroping out of a Blackhawk. People had since made a lot of jokes about how it killed ten or so Somalis on the way down, before he picked it up in fully working condition.
I was a member of the 75th Ranger Regiment in the mid and late 1990s, and I knew some of the guys who were there that day in Mogadishu, so I can say with full certainty that Elvis Wolcott was absolutely right, a word doesn’t have to be in the dictionary to count in Scrabble, "limo" and other terms in common usage are completely valid.
What I really admire about Cliff Wolcott was that he had the presence of mind to pitch the nose of Super 6-1 down before the crash, ensuring that the crew in the back had a fighting chance to live.
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Noice one mate
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Combat veteran here. Saving Private Ryan is considered the best WW2 movie in terms of realism (apart from like Schindler's List). I would say this is the best depiction of modern warfare. The chaos. The complete incompetence of comms and orders coming down that make no sense, like "Head north from there." "Um, north would take us into a ravine, sir." "Hang on. Let me figure this out." (gunfire hitting the Humvee) The troop movement is realistic. The sounds of bullets whizzing by is realistic. The enemy firing thousands of rounds but not hitting anything. The weird mix of full-on combat and regular civilians who don't seem to notice all the combat. This movie gives me PTSD twitches.
We had different alerts that a person would shout to get everyone out to the vehicles. REDCON1 was the usual, where you moved with a purpose, but not a full-on sprint. But if you heard the dreaded Blackhawk Down (we used it for any type of chopper crash), it doesn't matter if you're in flip flops and shorts, you move your ass. Every second counts in beating the insurgents to the bird.
Thank you for your service
My father was 10th Mountain Division during this (a part of the response force sent in to help) and thought they did a great job on the film. The more he has opened up about his experience during Somalia, the more impactful this movie feels for my family.
This movie deserves all the credit for depicting the absolute chaos of these civilians running around causing mass confusion. Literally hundreds of people whom you have no idea who they are or what they're planning or why they're just milling around a gunfight like it's not even happening.
Hamburger Hill is probably the most realistic depiction of the effects of war on the soldiers.
My enduring impression of "the Mog", ... cavemen savages with guns, lacking only the live missionary cooking in the big pot over a fire.
MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart, the two Delta Force snipers are heros. Nobody can say any different. They knew the odds of making it out alive and they went anyways. They'll forever be remembered as such. Same goes for the others who fought and died in the Battle of Mogadishu.
I can say diffirent. They got what they deserved. You americans always put your noses where they dont belong.
I think they knew it was a lost cause but they couldn't watch a brother in arms go out like that. They chose to be with Durant and protect him as long as they could. Heroes.
I love that you're not afraid to cry on camera. I feel like a lot of people are afraid to show emotions, so they hide it by telling annoying jokes. Watching you tear up majority of the movie made me tear up.
Yeah, I don't get that. Why you have a reaction channel if you don't react?
Aye.
How can you tell if they're trying to hide their emotions, or if they're simply just not very emotional?
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Tom Sizemore was an amazing actor. May he rest in peace. Thanks for watching this. Thanks for the entertainment.
Would see him in every war movie lol, first saw him in saving private Ryan then band of brothers and then this
Sorry. He was in SPR and Blackhawk Down. Where was he in BoB? Did I miss him?@@GeneralRaam-0
Gordon and Shughart. Both absolute legends! Went down fighting like lions protecting their fallen comrades. They were truly warriors and died taking many down with them as they could.
One of the men who died during the rescue was from my hometown. We have a memorial for him.
What was his name?
Its actually amazing to me how many actors that were in this film are like household names today or that everyone has seen in some big movie or tv show at least.
Could you name a few of them? I haven’t watched the full movie yet.
@@anthonyejike5594 who? The actors? I mean you have Orlando Bloom, Tom Hardy, Ewan McGregor just to name a few but look up the movie cast and youll see many more.
@@TheOffkilterTom hardy was the only "fresh face". This was his first major role
At 11:40 if you pay close attention, the pilot of the chopper is also shooting while waiting, badass!!
Just like they did that day, they had the real pilots come in to fly the choppers that the dept of defense loaned them
A lot of the things that we do today as Soldiers stemmed from this mission. Ensuring everyone has their night vision, checking all plates, and checking water. Because of this mistakes made on the precombat checks on this mission it changed our tactics forever.
@9:46... The soldier defending the black hawk was Staff Sergeant Daniel Busch. He was shot four times while protecting the wounded men inside and waiting for reinforcements to show up. Which was a little over an hour. He succumbed to his wounds a short time after being rescued.
Former combat medic here. They showed us this movie a lot during medic school, to prepare us for the sheer horror of what we would face in the field. it didn't prepare us enough.
I appreciate it when everyone watches this movies. The memories of this moment and these men should never be forgotten.
What makes Jamie's death more tragic (and is something I missed completely even after watching this movie dozens of times) is that early on in the movie, he said what would end up being his last words to brush off any worry of the upcoming mission: "It's nothing."
I remember when I joined the military back in 2000 I had a Sergeant that was there. He was at the gate at the stadium where all the soldiers came running in at the end of the movie. When he told me that story it was powerful and that was before this movie ever came out. Every time I watch this movie it hits home.
What he means by they just lost the initiative is before the Black Hawk crash they could choose when to fight and where to fight. Being mobile gave the rangers a huge advantage. With the Black Hawk Down it gives the militia a target that has to be defended but can't move.
True Very True...The hunter became the hunted.
In reality the crew of the second helicopter survived the crash, the pilot was just the only one that didnt get killed by the mob.
Durant even said that it wasn’t a rifle butt that clocked him, it was an arm that was torn from one of his dead crew members. They changed it to a rifle butt in the movie because they thought it was too much for such to be filmed.
@@dastemplar9681 from what I recall, Durant had always said it was a rifle butt until his memoir came out, so Mark Bowden's book had it as a rifle.
@@hollywoodghostbusters9869 He mentioned that he had always told the family it was a rifle because he didn't want them to know that detail as it was already bad enough. But he wanted to keep the accuracy of what really happened.
@@thesneakyapguy7172 yeah that's a detail I wouldn't want my family to know either if I were him
I was in Okinawa a month after this went down. We were always on standby to go "mop-up" but the Army didn't want the Marines back in there.
We ended up going in a year later to help move all the UN's construction equipment and vehicles. Different landscape at that point.
Speaking of landscape...one thing this movie didn't capture was the "red moon dust" quality of the sand there. Somalia sucks.
As for this movie, when it came out I was "walking the fence" on getting out or staying in the Marine Corps because we were tip-toe retaliating in Afghanistan and OIF was barely in the planning stages because the UN weapons inspectors kept giving extensions and resolutions. They had found WMD parts, components, motors, delivery vehicles but were short on the chemicals. BESIDES that fact, they were being stonewalled and not let into certain areas. It didn't seem like the US was going to form a coalition and do forced inspections. I was ready to go try civilian life.
THIS MOVIE, however, reminded me why I stayed in the first two times...the guys next to me. Glad I stayed in, because I got to see first-hand all the BS that went on in Iraq. I didn't make it to Afghanistan until 2012, but I got to go to Iraq three times. The first time, it was like Jarhead and our unit was a mirror for 1st Recon from Generation Kill. The second time, after the infrastructure has been returned to the people, I wouldn't have been surprised to see big red barns and grain silos. The last time...back to square one with disinformation and foreign actors running a malicious insurgency. Then we did ourselves no favors and lost the backing of the people. We did what the Army did here...we jacked it up enough and caused enough damage that it was time to cut our loses and leave it to the ING to keep the peace. Then ISIS came in a tore them up in no time.
So...lessons learned...let the third-world countries take care of themselves, let the rest of the countries associated with the UN pay their fair share, and never, ever, EVER do any work with civilian contractors. FU Blackwater. FU Triple Canopy. FU Prince Harry, you little bi7ch.
Task Force Ranger was comprised of the 75th Ranger Regiment (the premier light infantry special operations unit), Delta Force (the military's most secretive and elite unit), and the 160th SOAR (Night Stalkers).
My father was there. Once the first BH went down it was all hands on deck. I served years later and deployed in a different environment however this movie is pretty spot on with what happens. Its all chaos, incompetent leadership. The way we train is the way we fight, its all instinct, minimum time to think. This is brfore we learned urban tactics. My seniors who were in fallujah are the ones we learned from for CQB tactics. Appreciate your genuine reactions o7
One of the biggest things for me with this film is that a good number of the helicopter pilots used in the film were actually there on October 3/4, including Chief Warrant Officer Keith Jones, pilot of Star 4-1, recreated his rescue of Delta Sergeant Daniel Busch at the Super 6-1 crash site. Even some of the video footage playing on the monitors is from the actual event. Obviously there are a lot of differences between the book and the film, but the book gives so much more information. It's a riveting read.
The Ranger Creed states "I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy." That's why McKnight went back out into the fight and Cliff Wolcott was cut out of the wreckage of Super 6-1. When CNN aired footage of the dead bodies of the 6-4 crew and Shugart and Gordon were aired on live TV, Delta Operators were already back in the city looking for them and Mike Durant. Task Force Ranger stayed in Somalia until EVERYONE was recovered and brought home.
My Mother and I saw this movie in the cinema and we both walked out in a daze to say the least. A great film, one of the best.
you picked up a lot of nuances really quickly, mad respect
You know what I miss - the discussions afterwards between Arianna and Chad. Two smart, charming people with lots of knowledge and context discussing some of the best films ever... was really a highlight for me :)
Worked in VA on a security team and we had a few guys (Rangers) that were portrayed in this movie from chalk #4 and the EOD unit that removed the RPG RD and another from the Night Stalkers. They said the movie was very close to how it was but didn't show how low the little birds really were and the amount of body parts / hamburg and pink the walls were after they did gun runs down the alley ways. and by the end how anyone with a weapon including women/child were shot, no one was giving warnings
That's the reality of war. Yes we have rules of engagement but as soon as bullets start flying anyone that isn't in the same uniform as the guys left and right of me is going to get shot no warnings if they have a weapon. It's like Hoot said, it's about the people next to you in this scenario. Keep everyone on your side safe
Anyone with an index finger and a weapon is a threat. It sucks, makes one question morality, but reality always wins. As an aside, Shughart & Gordon were beasts.
Yep and the birds landed with inches between the rotors and walls, and the movie didn't depict the bloody mess the 40 mm gunners made..
Sad. That's why they call it War.
Publicly, I have heard that enemy and "civilian" deaths were officially stated at 700-1,500. I suspect, from reading the book that it was, possibly, WELL over 2,000.
After the battle had been going on for a while, the little bird pilots were given permission to fire on any large groups of people in the vicinity whether they saw weapons or not. If they weren't fleeing the area then they were considered hostile and they couldn't risk the enemy being able to amass a large enough group, armed or unarmed, to completely overwhelm the guys on the ground by sheer numbers.
The incident with the strobe in the movie was actually opposite of what was portrayed. The guys used the strobes to mark their own positions and the little birds absolutely lit up anything around the marked areas all night long.
Then, when the rescue column entered the city, they went in with guns blazing, lobbing grenades in open windows and firing around every corner. They didn't stop shooting until they reached the strobes.
I remember always wondering why orlando Bloom had such a short part, but it was because he was filming lord of the rings at the time
also most of these actors were basically unknown at this point
The real life soldier that he was playing PFC Blackburn really didn't even manage to participate the mission or eventual battle, he didn't even fire a shot. He actually missed the rope and fell off the Black Hawk during insertion, severely injuring himself. The 3 Humvees that were dispatched to MEDEVAC him back to base were also accurate (including Sgt Pilla's death).
LOTR had already finished filming by the time BHD had started to film (aside from small pick-up shots). It's likely that he just still wasn't that well-known of an actor
@@deek60819 including our lord and savior obi wan kenobi.
Disgusting fact: in the scene where the pilot Michael Durant gets hit in the head with an AK while being captured, in his book he later revealed that’s not exactly what happened. The militia ripped the arm off of one of the deltas bodies and used that to hit him in the head.
And in the coming days after the battle. The Somalis would leave trash bags with human body parts at the gate. Horrible!
@@gabrielstone9293 fucking savages
BTW, that's a very young Tom Hardy as Twombley alongside Ewen Bremmer as Nelson.
After ten years as a Blackhawk guy. I ran out of more paper towels than you can know.
I appreciate your open mind and true emotion to what we do.
Want to know what war is like. It is every emotion you have turned on to full blast everyday and you will discover emotions you don't know.
Never ever would I leave a fallen brother.
In the army we don't care where you are from, race, creed, religion. We do not fight so much what is in front of us. But, for those next to us and behind us. Nothing is more nobel than laying down your life for a Brother or Sister.
I carried 9 of the 49 we lost and it is in my head everyday. Because I placed them all on my shoulders to live a good and respectful life like they would want to live. If they were still here.
No more 22. That is the average of service members commiting suicide. It has to end. We can help each other like we did when all shit hit the fan.
Thank you again for a very logical take on something that was really botched.
The movie doesn't really explain the tension between the Ranger leadership and the Deltas.
The Rangers were for better or worse, "Regular Army", populated with mainly 20ish year old soldiers.
The Deltas were basically "SAS Plus", the baddest guys in the US Army. The young Rangers emulated the Deltas, without having the experience to pull off the stuff the Deltas did.
Hence Captain Steele's issue with trigger safeties
This movie and 13 Hours are nuts. In terms of how long soldiers are in a single gun fight.
Quality choice, many thanks for this. Alongside A Bridge too Far and True Romance, I feel this has one of the best ensemble casts ever put together
Loved True Romance! Grew up an hour away from Knoxville, TN where Tarantino was born.
It is insane to think Josh Hartnet did two war movies back-to-back and had them come out in the same year, one of them being a massive disappointment and the other (this) being one of the best war movies in long time.
Another amazing war movie, overshadowed by another is The Thin Red Line (overshadowed by Saving Private Ryan), and while it isnt on the same level as Spielberg's masterpiece, it is a movie that will make you feel something as well.
Also, I strongly recommend The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx, Jennifer Garner, Jason Bateman and Chris Cooper. And amazing post 9/11 Middle Eastern war film.
Let's just mention the stacked cast of amazing actors prior to many big breaks, and character actors who have memorable roles:
Tom Hardy
Ewan Bremmer
Kim Coates
Sam Sheppard
Ty Burrell
Orlando Bloom
Tom Sizemore
What's the other Josh Hartnett film, the one that got overshadowed by this ?
@Sarah McDowell no no... this one was overshadowed by Pearl Harbor for all the wrong reasons 🤣🤣
Your missing Ewan McGregor.
The movie is based on the book. The book is basically accurate including the femoral artery scene, Blackburn missing the rope, Delta, the Mogadishu mile at the end.
I love and appreciate people that react with horror to the hell of war. Myself, I grew up on so many action movies that I get desensitized to the real stuff sometimes. Awesome reaction, Arianna. Thanks.
I loved this movie when it came out. After iraq I still can't watch it.
What kills me a out the blackhawk down incident. Is that it so angered the American public and was such a PR disaster that we completely pulled out. . . But it was one of those rare times where we were truely on the right side and were the "good guys" the international community could have made a stand agianst corruption, and we backed down. . . . It sucks
tf do you mean on the right side? Right before this mission US bombed a clan elders meeting that was trying to pressure Aidiid to stop the fighting, They thought Aidiid was there, 200 DIED! THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE CITY WENT MAD. Good guys my ass lmao
@@flashforty1308 america has never been on the right side of any conflict and war. It starts most of them and funds both sides.
@@flashforty1308 Exactly. This whole situation was America's making. And this movie omits a lot of key details.
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@@justlooking4202 they never ask why is the whole city fighting them?
A great time watching this with you!
It's one of the best war movies in my opinion. It truly honored the operation and the context it took place in.
Alas, things can always go wrong, even if the best units are taking action.
That scene near the end where they were running back to the base was known as the Mogadishu Mile. A close friend of mine ran that.
Absolutley love this movie, it hits so hard. You should also watch the movie ''Tears Of the Sun'' also a really good war movie!
Tears of the Sun really is another hard hitting movie that shows that, despite what we would wish, not all human beings are the same. The West forged itself in oceans of blood and brutality and we came out the other side ... but we think others are the same and they are not. They still have their own red oceans to make and swim across and we can't help them or stop them. In trying we have doomed ourselves.
Omg she would cry at the village scene
"Its about the men next to you. Thats it, thats all it is" this is why men, young men especially crave these bonds and trials. Its why i craved it ultimately. Brotherhood
There are three scenes from war movies that I literally can't re-watch. The surgery scene at the end of this movie, Wade's death in Saving Private Ryan, and a certain tree-related shootout scene with Ben Foster in Lone Survivor (don't think they've watched that one yet). Just horrific.
I saw an interview with Mark Wahlberg where they talked about the making of Lone Survivor. He brought up the stunt men.
He said, when it came to the scenes where the soldiers threw themselves down the mountain, the stuntmen were determined to show exactly what the soldiers went through. So they literally threw themselves down the mountain with no pads or nets. Several ended up in the hospital because they wanted everyone to see just what those soldiers did.
I was a Junior in college when this all went down. I, myself, could have been in the military at this time. I had an Army Recruiter pushing me pretty hard to join while I was still in HS. The one thing that finally got him off my back was that I wanted to go to college to learn to restrict the advancement of AI to prevent a SkyNet situation. This was 32+ years ago. Little did i know, SkyNet would start in 2023 with ChatBot GTP.
But getting back to this film and actual event, the one thing that this film doesn't really touch on is what made the Somalis so fanatic in their fighting. And that's a narcotic leaf that they'd chew on that would give them this high that would make them fight in a psychotic fashion. The warlords would provide this drug to them for free practically just to get them to fight for them without questioning their own actions.
There's a Director's Cut version available on 4K Blu ray and standard DVD, but not regular 2K Blu ray. Why? Idk, but it's stupid that the Blu ray included with the 4K set doesn't include the DC. I had the DVD version and it includes some extra scenes of the raid into the warlord's villa and pre-raid stuff back at the base, among other things.
At first, I thought she had a ridiculously emotional reaction, and then I remembered that I'd seen this movie 100 times, and she is actually in fact the one with the appropriate reaction, not I.
This is one of the few very realistic war/confict films of recent years,I seriously can't remember this incident,very heart felt reaction.
Excellent film with excellent performances all around. Too bad Josh Hartnett and Eric Bana walked away from major Hollywood films not long after this they're both great in their roles here.
I just love the choice of music and track for this move. Hans Zimmer - legend.
Hans Zimmer really is the best composer to ever walk this earth.
I’m glad someone mentioned the score!!! It’s brilliant… ZIMMER is brilliant!
the VA to nelson, "your hearing loss is not service related"
My high school football served in Somalia, he watched a super 6-4 spin above him, he told us when he got home the one thing he remembered hearing was super 6-4's mayday call and the helicopter slamming into the ground.
My mother was very good friends with a few of the Blackhawk pilots depicted in this movie, she was wasn't able to deploy with them but listened in to all the radio traffic with a few other friends on base. To this day she refuses to watch this movie stating "I knew these men as they were in life, I don't need a Hollywood actor to remember them."
a female SOAR in 92/93?
@@tylerfreal6472 I didn't say she was a part of SOAR, just friends with the pilots.
@@ComradeZamora got you the didnt get to deploy with part had me confused , ofcouse idk why a stateside airwoman is listening to comms half the world away on a raid that was supposed to be secret
@tylerfreal6472 From my knowledge, other branches of the military work with other branches. I never pressed her for more exact details of her involvement, but I'm sure she had played some part that allowed access to certain comms.
This is my first time watching your reaction videos. I can appreciate your genuine reaction for the trauma that veterans sustained. With that said, I’d love to see you watch Lone Survivor. I still cry every time I just watch the closing scene where they show all the photos of the real soldiers in operation.
Great movie and showing of modern warfare. A little fun-fact: the actor who plays Grimes is Ewan McGregor, who played Obi-Wan in the Prequels and TV series. This was filmed in between Ep. 1 and Ep 2. A not-so-fun fact: "Grimes" was not actually the real name of that soldier. The filmmakers changed it because the real soldier had been convicted of r*ping his daughter and the Pentagon requested an alternate, fictional name in order to not put a black mark on the Pentagon's public image.
Fun fact for those who don't know, "I hear bells ringing!" is good. If you have a loud noise go off and after you hear ringing, that means you can hear. Doesn't mean its back fully though.
Great Reaction on a side note we lost a GREAT ONE few months ago Tom Sizemore [ McKnight ] I met him during the filming of this . He was a true friend we stayed in contact .
I was a kid when I saw this never really understood til I got older and it still breaks me to tears of what the hell went on there. Some war films I feel like civil war, ww1, ww2, Vietnam, black hawk, etc I can't imagine what kind of hell solders go through
Sad part is the people of Mogadishu were lied to by the warlords that we were there to invade them. No one had to die on any side.
The ONLY criticism I'd give this film is, is they don't highlight the other UN forces that were helping there. They fought hard to defend the crash site until the bodies could be extracted, and lost several men as well. For a film with much younger Sam Shepard, "The Right Stuff" is really good. He's in ThunderHeart and Pelican Brief and a lot more stuff.
I served with Colonel Steele in Iraq, I can assure you the real Colonel Steele is even more of a hardass than he was portrayed in the movie.
One of my cousins was a Ranger on the ground with then-Captain Steele in Mogadishu that day; he said pretty much the same thing about him. That was a nightmare situation they were in.
Mike Durant was actually hit with a severed leg instead of a rifle, but the director thought showing that would be too graphic.
I remember when that was happening. The local warlords were stealing everything the UN brought in and then redistributing it themselves to keep control
Clinton was being criticised for not doing anything because he was more concerned with attacking Serbia
So he finally acted and sent in a weak force
It was fascial As the forces came ashore there were cameras everywhere to film them coming in.
In OSUT I was the 240 gunner (machine gun for people who don’t know) and we were doing training exercises with blank rounds and ear pro. That shit was still loud. I can’t imagine how live rounds must sound like when fired that close to you.
The quote "It's all about the person next to you". Having experianced that takes this movie on another level.
I do love some Arianna reactions, that was outstanding!
One thing left out of the movie, that I really wished they had included, was just HOW they "negotiated" the release of the choppper pilot... Durant. In an interview, the American negotiator said it was the easiest one he ever did.
Sometime after the battle he met with Adid's spokesoerson. After listening to their list of demands. He simple said that he would see what he could do, but if Durant wasnt released soon, then there was no way anyone could stop what America eas about to reign down.
By this point, the US had brought in heavy armor and an Aircraft Carrier task force. He said that basically they would level the city.
.... Durant was soon released without a single enemy demand being met. Although the US did eventually pull out of the area and it was several years and many changes in tactics efore we would put boots on the ground again.
You can never judge people on their reactions to this kind of stuff. Some become catatonic, some freeze, and some, thankfully, become MORE focused and pragmatic and thus useful in these hellish scenarios. It’s important to remember, if you’re not familiar with the U.S. military hierarchy, the Delta Force is the elite of elite army forces, while the Rangers are just a tad below in repution and notoriety. God bless the U.S army and those who have died, not just for the American people , but those who have died for these noble humanitarian missions .
I remember seeing the video of the locals pulling the bodies of the soldiers out of the Blackhawks, that seen was still powerfully but tastefully done, what I watched in reality was much, much more graphic and disturbing.
At Ft Benning where they train infantry, there is a range named for Shugart. About a mile down the road is the one named after Gordon
I remember in Basic Training they showed the Scene from @20:00. Part of the first aid portion training we received was that a life threatening injury like that could have been prevented with a Tourniquet higher up on the thigh, but that knowledge was a result of incidents like his. It’s sad to see moments like this, but understand that sad moments like this can be the birth to new knowledge that can save lives
One of my drill sgt's back in 03 was in the Mog, he was a certified bad ass. I look back and realize he was so hard on us cause he'd seen the brutality of war and was only trying to prepare us to survive it cause he knew where we were headed to war too. I loved and hated him at the time, now its only love. Now I realize his intensity with us came from a place of love. He wanted us to have the best chance to survive what was coming.
its crazy how every generation of infantry at benning has a DS who was in some shit show, i was in benning in 2010, i had a DS who was in the korengal valley. they replaced the guys who lost the medic "restrepo".
@@k_heartz2200Well… it’s Moore now. I’m still calling it Benning lol. Just graduated basic and I’m on pass. Feels good.
@@jesuspernia8031 wtf no way, its called ft moore??
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Yup. There was a whole ceremony and we had to wake up at 3am to go to it.
We learned a lot from Somalia. We learned how savage and barbaric those people are. We learned that the jungle warfare training held over from Vietnam was not going to cut it. But most importantly. The combat medical practices we now do and train because of how unprepared we were for Mogadishu.
24:08 and 25:40 actually, they would mark their own position, not the target, with the strobe.
Arianna, thank you for helping us vets review these war movies, with your heartfelt, intelligent perspective.
Before our son enlisted as a 68W, a combat medic, I made my wife watch Black Hawk Down, Hacksaw Ridge, Saving Private Ryan, and Band of Brothers. I told her to pay attention to what happens when, during a firefight, someone yells "Doc!" or "Medic!" That is the career our son chose, and I couldn't be more proud.
After Operation Gothic Serpent, the Army completely overhauled Tactical Combat Casualty Care, building on the lessons learned from the Battle of Mogadishu.
When I went through Ft Sam for my Basic Medic training the MOS was 91B. I know, a long time ago.
@markmcintosh2737 I remember those days, brother. 😀 Getting old is a bitch, but it beats the hell out of the alternative.
the Somalia conflict was not the 1st gulf war. it was a conflict all on its own.
another thing about this is since the warlord was seizing food shipments he was telling the population that he would give them food if they fought the Americans. So he used hunger to get people to do what they probably would never have done in the first place.
As bad as this operation was there was alot learned from it. One of the Delta Operators stayed in for 20 years after this incident (Tom Satterly check him out on the Shawn Ryan Show its the last time he will ever publicly speak about this incident) when he got back and started training new guys in the unit he was a real hard ass and one time someone tried to call him out on it he told them "I make a big deal about little stuff like this because those were the things that got our guys killed in Somalia, I act like this because I'm trying to keep you alive"
The number of huge stars in this movie says it all. There was no shitty acting or bad lines.
The Gulf War was in the Middle East. In 1991. Bless.
Iraq war veteran here. Gordon and Shughart are in the Army basic training manual. Textbook examples of the army values. They were among our best.
THE WORST PART IS THAT BLACK HAWKS WENT DOWN EARLIER THAT YEAR AND SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE BUT THEY WEREN’T FOLLOWED THROUGH.
This was completely avoidable.
One of the most intense and chaotic movies ever made
Immediately clicked on this I cannot believe ya'll hadn't seen this yet
Next to Band of Brothers, easily the best depiction of actual war
Top 10 film for me
I joined the army shortly after this happened, met one of the Rangers that was there, from My home state, eventually joined the Maine State Troopers, when he left the army. that last mile they ran the guys called it the Mogadishu mile. thank you for your reactions, very few people understand the brother hood, or why we do it.
Was more like 3 miles lol
You should read the book that the movie is based on. It's a great read. I read it when it was first published in 1999, 5 years after I left the Marine Corps. I didn't know the whole story of how Somalia transpired and all the political and military dynamics of the time. All I knew about the Battle of Mogidishu at the time was while I was sitting in Hong Kong probably getting drunk with my buddies. I was with 1st Bn, 9thMar; the "Walking Dead" and 10 days after this happened, I was sitting off the coast of Somalia on a Navy ship. We saw all the intel videos of the helicopters and some of the city fighting while we were sailing from Hong Kong to Somalia. I was a young 24 yr old infantryman in a helicopter assualt company and talk about the stress level of flying around Somalia once we got there was just buzzing around in my head. I remember that horrid humid heat of 110 degrees or more and even the nights were also very hot. Our first flight was at like 2 in the morning and it was pitch black as we flew in the darkness. The helicopters are very loud on the inside so you usually need to wear ear plugs and not much talking happens. I remember looking out of the window and the entire night sky looked like the 4th of July fireworks with tracer rounds going every where. It took me a few minutes of asking myself what they were shooting at until I realized that they hear us flying over but they can't see us. Those were crazy times and we had a few close calls in the helicopters and a Navy helicopter crashed on take off, killing everyone on board. I had never smelled so much death in all my life and it was worse under the extreme heat. We left Somalia in Feb. 1994 and in April 94 I was discharged after 4yrs & 2mo of service (my enlistment was extended so I could complete the deployment). The whole thing felt surreal becase it felt like in an instant that I went from sweating gallons of water doing patrols and sleeping on the ground to sitting on the couch feeling clean.
I'm glad to see this movie be reviewed and reacted to. Lots of people forget about the hardships and sacrifice tyring to protect those people. We lost 1 Marine who was only 19 or 20 and he had a 1yr old son. I met his now 30yr old son last year at a reunion. He was able to speak to a few of the Marines that were friends with his dad. So many young died there and all Bill Clinton did was pull the US out of there. That move made America look weak and the warlords celebrated by telling all the world that "If you make America bleed then they will tuck tail and run". I feel that is when terrorist became emboldened to escalate harm against the western world.
I now have a Master's degree and have had a successful 27 year IT career but being in the Marine Corps was the best job I ever had. There was nothing better than to listen to Disposable Hero's by Metallica while we got battle ready and boarded our helicopters with my buddies.
I know nowadays, most, if not all units, going out like this go fully loaded with gear. I don’t know if this event was the cause, but I know it’s better to be prepared. As they say, it’s better to have and not need it than not have it and need it
This incident started ALOT of tactics these units use to this day, such as the supply bags in hot zones dropped from helicopters. That wasn't invented yet and Tom Sutton (or Saterly his last name escapes me but he was a Delta member and there during this battle) was in the middle of the street picking up rounds because the improvised method of dropping them ammo at the time resulted in everything splashed out everywhere.
Edit: He did a podcast interview with either Team House or Combat Story here on youtube.
They also changed other things. An operation like that would not go down today without Apache gunships and A10 warthogs providing heavy air support. And probably even a B52 loitering overhead with JDAM precision bombs hitting every building nearby.
Also..all Humvees would probably be up-armored to handle small arms better and have Bradley fighting vehicles alongside with their Bushmaster cannons.
Basically, the rule now is to go in hard and heavy and absolutely overwhelm the enemy.
There were a lot of Air Force Special Forces guys imvolved in this fight. They are called Combact Comptrollers. The guy calling in the air strikes that lost his thumb was a Comptroller. Just easier to call everyone a Seal ot Ranger than having to explain a new apecial forces unti that no pne has heard of.
The Air Force guys were primarily a mix of Combat Controllers and Pararescue (PJs) from what was then the 1724th Special Tactics Squadron, out of Pope Air Force Base. The 1724th job was to support Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) Special Mission Units (SMUs), like "Delta" and "SEAL Team Six". There were also AF Special Operations Tactical Air Controllers and Combat Weathermen attached to the 75th Ranger Regiment.
The guy that lost a thumb in the movie was Scott Galentine, who was a Ranger. There was a crew chief from the 160th SOAR who got his finger tips shot off while the PJs were providing medical aid on him. Air Force PJ Scott Fales was shot up at the first crash site but there's no record in the book of a combat controller losing a thumb. Jeff Bray was with the Deltas and Dan Schilling was in the convoy with McKnight.
Controllers not "Comptrollers". Comptrollers control the finances of an organization. No such thing as a combat accountant.....
Fun fact, my dad is in this movie. You even included one of his few lines
What character was your dad?
I remember as kid seeing the video on the news of them dragging Shughart and Gordon’s bodies through the streets. Gosh it was shitty situation. Also, read the book. It tells the perspective from the Delta’s, Ranger’s, rear command and the Somali’s
Randy and Gordy was duoing half the city. Damn skinnies just got lucky. Rest In Peace legends.
I just found your channel a few days ago Arianna and I absolutely love your “First Time Watching” series. I am binge watching them all 🤣🤣 I’m not sure if you take any requests but I’d love to see your reaction to a few movies I don’t think you’ve done yet. But you may have seen them already.
Lone Survivor
12 Monkeys
Scent of a Woman
The book of Eli
Just throwing out some ideas. God bless and keep up the great work!! 🙏❤️
This is why you gotta love our troops. Most all of them, especially the infantry and combat arms dudes, are all willing to throw it all on the line and its an everyday thing for them. Thanks for reviewing the movie. You should review Lone Survivor.
We Were Soldiers is another historical military movie based on a true story. Highly recommend it.
This is based on true events but there's also actual aerial footage footage of this whole incident that looks just like the movie can be found on RUclips
My friend's Husband is a Kiowa Scout pilot (it's a heli ) his brother was the pilot left on the ground in the Black Hawk.
The movie is amazing but the true story is even more insane. They had four helicopters hit - two were able to either get to a green zone or to the airstrip. The humvees that got shredded had just gotten armored doors that very morning as they had been doing missions with no doors at all. Washington denied the deployment of tanks and specter gunships because Clinton was too worried about appearing too aggressive. And the helicopter gun runs went nonstop all through the night holding the city back as the rangers positions were marked with reflective panels they had on them. The helicopters were also dropping water and ammo to the friendly positions. But the rangers also didn’t kit up correctly as some of them took the heavy backplate out of their vests, didn’t pack their NVGs and didn’t pack much in the way of supplies as they had assumed they’d be back in thirty minutes. It didn’t help that the UN peace keepers were dragging their feet and there was even parts of that element that were signaling the militias during previous missions.
It’s no small miracle that they didn’t lose more than they did because everything was stacked against them and it was their camaraderie and the pilots refusing to stop that saved the day.
Those early Hum-Vees we're death traps. Barely armored, no explosion vents, no firing ports and forget AC!
My uncle was in Mogadishu, he was wounded by shrapnel from an rpg, worst time in the army according to him
Colonel McKnight (convoy leader and highest ranking soldier on the field) said that the portrayal of events in the book were about 90% accurate and the movie itself about 75%.
At least one of the Delta Force operatives was still in active duty when the book was written. If I remember correctly, "Hoot's" full name Norman Hooten, was left out of the original publishing.
Also, the guy that had the RPG in him still had some signs of life when they got back to base, he did not survive, but I believe he was still showing signs of brain activity. It's been many years since I read the book in high school, so my memory might not be totally accurate.
Hoot in the movie is a mix of three characters, one of them being Norman Hooten. He is now a Pharmacist in Georgia I believe, though it's been a while since I read up on him.
You should read the book, it explains a lot about what led up to this point.
I shed a few tears along with you Arianna, your empathy is bitter sweet to watch. It's a shame your government uses one's empathy to turn them against thier neighbor.
I remember seeing a dead, naked special forces being dragged in the street on the news. it aired once. but i never forgot that image. it terrified me as a child. now understanding as a man.