Why Do Kid Appeal Transformers Get Bad Toys?
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7:38 Dodge VIPER. The copy, my friend had, was missing the back piece for the vehicle mode, BUT WAS STILL EASY TO TRANSFORM--WITHOUT INSTRUCTIONS......
Someone I met recently, first transformer was sideburn, no as a kid he never could transform it back into a car
Armada Hot Shot had bad shoulders that couldn't use swords worth a damn and they really said "fuck it, shoulders are hard" for a bunch of other kid appeal characters.
For RID15 I felt like Fixit, Sideswipe or Grimlock was the Kid Appealed character, with Bumblebee in the Commander role
I felt sideswipe has always been a wasted potential as a kid appeal character
I definitely lean towards Sideswipe, he's the "anti-authority rebel that's soooo coooool" of the main cast after all.
Fixit was definitely that kind of character.
I hated sideswipe
@@chriscarpenter3370 why?! I liked him. Ninja like
Honestly,a good Nightscream toy would be my white whale for Transformers. I actually liked a lot of things about the character in the show, from his vampire/Nosferatu aesthetic to even having a decent reason to be a "rebel teen" archetype (he didnt know who Primal was or why he should listen to him). Of course this could be because I just bought into the kid-appeal nature. Either way though it always irked me that the McDonalds toy of him was leagues more accurate than the giant 'just in time for Christmas' version
I recently got legacy Scourge,Soundwave, along with Studio series Rumble!
I would really like to see a kid appeal Decepticon.
A Decepticon who just hates the Autobots but doesn't want their war to spread on Earth could be a very compelling character arc. Coming to terms that although they might have had good reasons to be a Decepticon, that in the long run the war just needs to end before there's even worse consequences.
Sky-byte?
@@Undrave nah man.............
He's a god not a kid appeal character!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have no idea how much I want a kid-appeal Decepticon to actually be a thing. Heck, let’s go a step further and do an entire Decepticon “family” adopting some troubled kids. Not only would this finally give the Cons human allies, but it’d allow for interesting character dynamics between them and the Autobots.
The Con “family” would probably be Barricade (cranky dad), Swift (doting mom), Slicer (edgy older brother) and Flamewar (goofy older sister).
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho agreed
if I could add a couple honorable mentions for kid appeal characters
G1 Wheelie
also all of the Mini-Cons could probably apply especially with how the Street Action Team in Armada and Recon Team in Cybertron hung out with the human characters frequently. Though given the toys are deliberately small I guess any downsides they have aren't necessarily bad
The bayverse and idw don't have kid appeal characters( except that blue robot in the last knight I guess)
@@justinarzola4584 talking about Sqweeks? I think that's his name.
@@bumbleprime7713 yeah, that's what I was talking about.
Simple answer? Most kids dont care about articulation or paint apps, they just want to pretend play with their favourite characters.
Studio Series Bumblebee was a pain to convert
@@skybite ok. Am glad I don’t own him
@@skybite Nah, he was easy as hell.
why bumblebee gets the short stick is a combination of factors like;
-wave one toy
-the car he turns in to limits what they can do to make him stand out
-i think the teams are burned with him
Sideburn was a dodge viper
I feel like you skipped a few characters.
G1 had other Kid appeal characters besides just Bumblebee. Tracks was actually a kid appeal character being the main focus of all the Raoul episodes. The movie weirdly seemed to set up Hot Rod as a kid appeal character since he was just hanging out with Daniel the first time we ever see him. They attempted and failed to set up Wheelie as a kid appeal character. Arcee for some reason got stuck baby sitting Daniel for most of season 3 and even giving up her head to save his life and being bonded to him as a Headmaster in the abandoned season 4. Those last two I don't think were successful as kid appeal characters but I do think Tracks and Hot Rod were actually pretty good, Hot Rod especially for how little screen time he actually had with Daniel before becoming Rodimus Prime.
Cheetor and Side Burn also kind of back up the idea that Tracks and Hot Rod were suppose to be kid appeal characters. Cheetor's TM form has the same flight mode gimmick as Track, Side Burn's original character scheme is very similar to Tracks. Cheetor also has a similar but updated take on Hot Rod's helmet design while also sharing the fact that he would eventually take over as leader. Side Burn's Powerlinx colors are also Hot Rod's colors. Cheetor is basically Bumblebee, Tracks, and Hot Rod all rolled into one and Side Burn is literally just Tracks mixed with Hot Rod.
Hot Shot also kind of became a combination of Bumblebee and Hot Rod. His Powerlinx colors are Hot Rod and he got to be leader for a while.
I don't really see how Landmine was a Kid appeal character at all... I barely even remember him in that series. Pretty sure it was just Hot Shot again especially when they reset his maturity back to how he was in Armada.
I feel like you skipped over Prime where they actually set up 3 kid appeal characters at the same time. Because all 3 kids were paired with a different Autobot. So Arcee and Bulkhead were also kid appeal characters. And I feel like Arcee and Bulkhead were actually better kid appeal characters because of the way Bumblebee was portrayed in Prime even in his own dedicated episode that had his name in the title he wasn't the main focus of the episode, Ratchet was, because Bumblebee can't talk and Raf is the only one who can translate for him he wasn't used very much at all in that series. They also brought in Smokescreen later and paired him with Jack even though he was already partnered with Arcee and I freaking hated Smokescreen.
RID2015 I feel like the kid appeal character was either Sideswipe, because Bumblebee was actually the leader in that series, or Fix-It since he was human sized and often left in the junk yard with the human characters.
There's also Rescue Bots where... kind of the entire main cast are intended to be kid appeal characters, again they're paired with human partners. Heatwave, Blades, Boulder, and Chase, though Blades for whatever reason kind of ended up being a fan favorite more than the others.
Academy seemed to set up Hot Shot again as the main kid appeal character above the rest of the cast though for me personally Whirl is my favorite.
And of course there's Twitch and Thrash in the new series who I feel are the kid appeal characters more than Bumblebee is because again he's more of a mature character in that show. And I actually really like Twitch the most in that series. Thrash took some time to warm up to I just found him really boring at first. But both in design and personality Twitch shares a lot of the same traits I liked about Whirl in Rescue Bots.
Oh boy. That was a long text
Its also worth noting that in the original Japanese version of Armada (Micron Legend) Hot Shot was literally called "Hot Rod"
I was kid during G1 and no kids loved G1 bumblebee sideswipe, jazz and later dinobots was what kids loved. But decepticon seekers and constructions was also attractive to kids.
@@firesonic1010 It's also worth noting that Sparkplug, Optimus Prime's Mini-con was suppose to be Bumblebee not Hot Shot. The Mini-con is intentionally designed to homage Bumblebee and his now unfortunately named retool/repaint is meant to be Goldbug.
@@Gripen1974 There's an important distinction to make here between what ACTUALLY became popular with kids and what Hasbro THOUGHT would be popular. You seem to be getting those two confused.
The TF Authentics line really evidenced this with the Autobots!
pretty sure even *kids* would get tired of bumblebee after a while.
I think it's mostly because the kid appeal, or mostly bumblebee, gets the most figures out of everyone, so there will wind up being more bad ones than good.
My first experience with Cheetor was that Universe 2.0 toy, and i loved that damn thing. Automorph ninja stars from out of the legs? As an Animated kid that never got a Prowl, sign me up!
I would argue the minicons were the kid appeal characters in Cybertron, they're the ones who spent the most times with the kids. Also I think the PRID Bumblebee mold worked really well once you get to Night Shadow Bumblebee.
When I was a kid most kids I knew liked blue or black never knew anyone who liked yellow best. It's also my least favorite color and never liked bumblebee but I liked the earthrise bumblebee especially if u get the upgrade kit that keeps the backpack attached. I also think all the yous geared to kids don't have to be great because they will want them anyways only adult collectors gonna decide not to buy it
Yes agreed
Yellow is mid asf
I've always wondered why the "kid appeal character" always got toys focusing on quantity rather than quality.
| Me: Oh...oh _no..._
Man, I _love_ my Cybertron Hotshot and Animated Bumblebee! I still own a copy of the Deluxe-class "Sports Car" Hot Shot (pre-mutilation via Megatron/Galvatron) from the initial release, and I own the Black-and-Gold repaint of Animated Bumblebee! Both are _awesome_ figures, and a great part of my childhood that I'll likely hold on to for a long, long time! They're both such quality figures, and both could be described as "kid appeal characters"! So it boggles my mind when they take the "kid appeal characters" of modern lines and make sub-par or straight-up utter garbage! You'd think they'd want to put their best foot forward on the character they're gonna market the most! Even if it's mostly "for the dumb kids that don't know better"!
1:16
That could explain Oni Sister in Avataro Sentai DonBrothers
It began with her as the first character to be introduced, and most plots revolves around how she deals with the rest of the team ( also, I also love her character as well, just an amazing Yellow in all the Super Sentai franchise )
Hasbro know where the majority of the Transformers sales money will come from.
Those who were actually around in the 80's and grew up with the original figures, cartoon and comic, and now have the disposable income to be able to afford everything they never had, but always wanted. All those remodelled and reimagined G1 figures are like catnip to a collector.
Never underestimate the power of nostalgia!
I didn't have much money growing up so I had the mentality of one per series (except RID I was working and went a little nuts).
Cheetor: Only got his TM2 version along with TM2 Dinobot, Silverbolt and TM Tarantulas, never got any from Beast Machines.
RID: I went for the Supercharged Trio, because I wanted all three and I like those decos better for Prowl and X-Brawn.
Armada / Energon / Cybertron - Was not working so I had to pull back only got one per series (Blurr / Starscream / Override - would have got Thunderblast if I could find her).
Prime / RID2 - Again, not that much money so Arcee and Airacnid (now have their superior APC versions). Second series Strongarm and Starscream.
Movie Bumblebee - The jeep was one of the better ones, maybe the Cybertron version (I have Cliffjumper), wanted the Beetle version but the QC sucked so much I sought out the MPM version (my first one, then got Jazz).
Siege/Netflix - Not even going to get into what was wrong with that one (f***ing Hasblow), may get Goldbug if I can't get Flamewar and no other good Shattered Glass one comes out.
Cyberverse / Earthspark: Now this is my stand in for Bumblebee (used molding plastic to fill the arm and leg gaps), and Earthspark may be my stand in for Goldbug, Because I want the BAF from both of them.
Not a fan of the legs of the Legacy Hot Shot, but Armada Starscream needs his sparring buddy, may also get the ROTB Bumblebee.
Edit: Should have mentioned thanks to 'the thing that must not be mentioned' event that occurred, I was able to get out of debt and so can buy more frequently.
Sideburn was a Dodge Viper. Not a corvette. Hasbro had a very good working relationship with Dodge at the time. Hence, the viper branding and the use of Chrysler owned properties in the alternators line. Vipers, rams, and jeep wranglers.
Wow, I never knew about Yellow = beloved-by-children kid-appeal-character. Especially since bright yellow is my least favorite color. More often than not, Bumblebee doesn't appeal to me, and I typically cling to a random background character with little screentime. Apparently, this says something about my psychology.
the bayverse syndrome.
Evidence pointing to Cybertron Hot Shot being the 'kid appeal' character can be found with his Cybertron Defense figure, while in no way a bad toy it can immediately be noticed that while Scattershot goes from Scout to voyager class and Red Alert goes from deluxe to Ultra Class (remember when there was another size class between Voyager and Leader?) Hot Shot remained a deluxe, a clear effort on Hasbro's part to keep the Kid appeal character in the more affordable (if memory serves Deluxe were about £10 back then) price point, despite the fact that he was meant to be more powerful and the simple fact that a Chrysler ME Four Twelve (what TF Wiki cites as Hot Shot's originaj Cybertron toy's alt mode) is far smaller than a M1117 Armored Security Vehicle (CTD)
I had cyberverse Bumblebee with the spin sting gimmick
I didn’t like it. So I gave it to a friend
pretty sure Sideswipe was the kid-appel character in RID 2015 since he was young and rebellious and he was first to meet and befriend Kid of the series
I think kids want authoritarians like Batman
I’m a sucker for flyers, so I naturally bought Nightscream when it came out. I thought the bat mode was pretty cool and the disc launcher was fun, but yeah, it’s sad when your toy gets overshadowed by its Happy Meal counterpart.
Also, Sideburn is a Dodge Viper.
Nightscream REALLY deserves a rework…maybe TJ could think of something more interesting.
7:37 No, he's a Dodge Viper.
I've noticed that with Legion Class figures, they will once in a while shift the budget to give some of them above-average articulation. Cyberverse Cliffjumper for instance. For as many Legion Bumblebees as there are I've always thought it was odd that they didn't give any of them that better treatment. There isn't a single Legion Bumblebee, across Animated to Prime to Movie to Generations to RID2015 that has elbow joints, and most lack knee joints- which are usually something Legion Class can handle.
The DotM one had some kind of knee articulation. Due to transformation, though.
I think in a lot of cases, it's simple; it's because a lot of these were probably among the first toys designed in their style.
Nightscream doesn't really have that excuse, though.
I actually really like Energon Hot Shot and both Prime and RiD Bumblebee. But I’ll definitely give you the others.
Strange that you skipped over Cheetor's Transmetal 2 toy, that figure was such a disappointment when I was a kid. And he was my first Cheetor too, after missing out on the first two versions.
Oh, and Sideburn turned into a Dodge Viper, not a Corvette.
That Animated Bumblebee, dunno if it’s just me but I always hated him. Weakest figure in the line aside from maybe Leader Bulkhead and definitely Swindle due to the clear plastic. As a seven year old I hated the fact the feet were upside down and both copies I’ve handled had serious issues. The first’s torso flip joint got jammed and likely shredded immediately and the second one’s shoulder socket shattered. Also, for being so big in scale the dead eyes don’t help and he scales poorly.
I think animated toyline was great since they were developed after the show,it's a shame animated was cancelled because the toys didn't sell as well as the movie toys which led to primes toys featuring the movie articulation people liked
I noticed 1 error and 1 omission. The error os the type of car Sideburn was, but I don't blame him because TJ doesn't seem like a car guy. Sideburns was a Viper, which was the hot car at the time of the show.
The omission is to the criteria list. One other thing all these characters tend to have in common is mentality. Each character is one of the younger, brasher, more hot headed characters, with few exceptions/tweeks. The characters appealed to the kids because they acted more like kids.
The reason why they suck is because they're for the kids and if the toys are characters that the kids love the toy designers will make them more sturdy and make them last longer and they may not have as much possibility so they survive longer is the main reason
I think Jolt is the main kid appeal character in Cybertron, though maybe Minicons don't really fit in that category because of the lower price point.
You could do a entire tier list off movie bumblebee I'd bet
16:38 - Have you talked about why the TF Prime - First Edition toys were eventually replaced with the RID line?
Very enjoyable video
TJ, where'd you get that Side-Burn photo? it's so mistransformed! i'm surprised that one didn't make the stock photo video.
Movies 1-3 Bumblebee were all really good figures.(except for shoulder cannon Bumblebee in rotf. Especially how many times they repainted that one. Awful) 4's high octane was really good but the newer version wasn't great.
I wouldn't call some of these "bad" toys. PRiD Bumblebee is a good toy, but it was just outshone by the First Edition figure. That was around the time they 'canceled' them for a US release, so everybody was hard on it out of anger. The RiD15 toy is pretty good too. I won't call Armada Hot Shot a "good" toy, but I have a lot of nostalgia for it, so I'm willing to admit my bias.
I haven't touched any of the other UT toys or the Cheetor figures you shared, but Kingdom Cheetor is pretty great.
Haven’t watched the video as I’m typing but my guess is that they’re simple because these are the characters kids will buy and play with the most. This, they need to be sturdier. I believe this was a key design aspect for toy lines like Armada where they needed to be big and sturdy without small parts that would break.
Because they are aimed at kids who dont care like adult collectors do
You didn’t include Twitch from Earthspark… 😅
She's the best character, ever, of all time.
15:35 so far I'm LOVING the cyberverse show (never seen it b4) but, the toyline while not.....bad, really did that iteration no favors
I really REALLY hope that Hasbro does a 2.0 version of Studio Series Volkswagen Bumblebee!!!
It has potential, but I can confirm that while I like it, it is not the best Bumblebee toy at all! I got mine on Christmas, and it was nice, but they based it off of early concept art, AND the materials are just too delicate, and the amount of squeezing and pressing, and clear plastic, plus with the small size and complex engineering, it doesn’t make it really fun to transform back and fourth and the joints sometimes are too stiff or too loose! It’s fine for me, but since it was such an early design, and most modern studio series figures, especially from the Bumblebee movie as well as Bumblebee himself, have gone through a lot of refinements and better materials (for the most part), I feel it’s about time that Volkswagen Bumblebee gets a brand new mold, or at least, a heavy retool of the Jeep/Cybertron mold, using the new refined engineering and build quality! A couple things I really like about the recent Studio Series 100 ROTB Bumblebee from reviews I’ve seen is how the doors are actually yellow plastic with the clear windows being separate inserts screwed onto them, and how clean, simple, and effective the legs transform! The back of the car swivels inward forming the inner calves, and I think something like that could be carried over into a Volkswagen Bumblebee mold!
the only bad bumblebee figure on here is that cyberverse one, the rest are great
I just got the Transformers Earthspark deluxe class Bumblebee and it's fantastic I also got twitch which is arguably the kid appeal character of the series the figure is pretty good Megatron on the other hand isn't bad but the head sculpt looks a lot worse in person.
This makes me wonder if the Authentics line counts here, sure, they ARE cheap toys, but for whatever reason, Bumblebee has the absolute WORST toy of the line, in any size, it always ends up being a brick with some detailing that barely even counts as a robot design.
oh man, the authentics line is the definitive explanation of this effect, because yes bumblebee being the most popular between kids gets the worst figure, yet the decepticons, arcee, wheeljack and primal (which his figure got weapons and metal pins) have like the most banger quality of figure of the line, a recently with the new alpha class megatron, he got a bigger quality beyond the first version, and the autobots of bravo class... well they managed to be worse than before
I have the big lots deluxe size knock off nightscream and yea it isn't a bad toy cause it fits the scale
Yeah idk any kid then or now that say yellow there's favorite color
I feel you are wrong on prime by your own set up. Arcee was the one who first interacted with Jack, and had the most interactions and episodes that focused on there partnership.
Energon got me into transformers and I got ironhide and jetfire in a 2 pack back then, tbh I only got it for jetfire but ironhide as a toy was really fun, it’s just his.. maine? I guess, that looked kinda lame
I never watched G1 as a kid. Beast Wars was my first Transformers cartoon. Considering the vast character roster in G1. Was Bumblebee really that popular?
Yep. Bumblebee's made appearances quite often in G1. One of the few characters to get a big old hug from Boss Bot himself.
I think you missed wheelie for season 3-4 of G1
Bumblebee also has the most toys
First! This was a fun topic
I guess you won't do Beast Wars episode reviews anymore.
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