the US has the number 1 military in the world. the US has a police force which is, thanks to the 2ndAmend justifying it, so militarized that it has become in spending the third largest military in the world. I'm glad I'm not there because no clue how I'd prepare for that. I bet the US intelligence already has files on everyone like they did in Puerto Rico with the Las Carpetas. They had the funds to do 100.000 puerto ricans in the 1930s so just imagine how much they can do now... only plus the US citizens have in case of a fascist take over is the sheer size of their nation. Lots of places to hide.
Playing Arma and just creating your own scenarios can teach you a lot of the symbology as well; was actually surprised how many of the symbols I knew from just playing a game!
I was about to comment the same, I also create Arma missions - I like adding symbols to the map just enough to give hints to the teams, yet not enough that any plan they make would last very long - it helps add some spice to playing a game. Its when you see how horrendous that could be in real life, how often that could occur - sure makes you appreciate what the real people do, often without any clue it has happened.
I've watched this 3 times over the last few weeks and still keep picking new information up. You sir, are doing your fellow countrymen a great service.
Great work as usual, but 3 points. The Map under redlight realy showed the importance of differenciating the Symbols for blue red and yellow forces by shape not by colour. Even my LTC who trained me in tactics didnt consider, that under redlight all symbols are black, this is why you need the difference shapes. Yes from an S2 perspective one overlay to track red and blue is enough. But you can prepare Maps way better with multiple overlays. If you are interested, I can show you my maps from Officerschool and Infantry School. The Quote: "No plan survived first contact with the enemy." is from Moltke( the older, trust me I am from the prussian part of westphalia) And yeah for the crayon eater crew you can quote Mike Tyson "Everybody got a pan until he gets punched in the face!"
All this discussion of how to run a TOC or COC, and the elephant in the room is the modern era of drones and guided munitions against large static soft targets like TOC and COC base-X tents. Fantastic job discussing all the seats at the table and little jobs to be thought about! This next decade is going to really put another level of friction against the COC teams in hostile environments doing all of these critical jobs.
I was how this dropped 38 seconds ago and had 109 views -- released to member then shared. No matter just the same excellent thought provoking level of content.
"Back in the day" for me means pre-BFT:) Corkboards, maps, pins, paper or acetate overlays, colored pencils/alcohol markers. This was a big part of running a heavy mortar FDC..of course, we also used similar low-tech methods to compute the firing data.
I send up my mavic to "battle track" my kids around the neighborhood. I've also used it for milsim paintball to be my "eye in the sky". Send up to 400' camera straight down. Shoot, move, communicate.
The problem with that is now most airports and agency in real time can pin point the launch of a drone thus more then likely giving up your position from the start.
@@lanceu9134 I think you are overestimating airport's ability to track aircraft that don't self report. Generic search radar filters out all noise below a certain size and speed in order to ignore birds and static. A radar tuned to see a small drone is also going to see flocks of pigeons and crows.
@@kerbalairforce8802 not overestimating it at all. One thinking they can fly a drone undetected is no different then one driving around on a cb radio not thinking they can be triangulated. All state prisons in my state have drone detection as well as my local airport. Being within the restriction zone of the airport immediately alerts the system. The system is designed to differentiate a drone vs bird etc. ever heard of shotspotter system used within cities for gunshot location? You got to think outside the box some guys come on.
We called them Deck logs in the Navy. I filled that position many times. High speed maneuvers, and actions we used specific abbreviations. These logs were rewritten hours later fully expanding all abbreviations etc. These become permanent records and are sent off. Amazing how much data we took in seconds or minutes.
My personal goals: -research more into SigInt -purchase good starter level gear to be able to perform and learn SigInt such as aircraft detection, radio com monitoring, triangulate signals and basic battle tracking -practice and research on what the heck im doing now that i know a bit -purchase more equipment to make myself comfortable in performing tastes. -upgrade and actually become good with more practice. its been over a year since i started wanting to do this and iv learned that if i dont start now because im busy i wont start later. iv had some cash put aside to finance this for awhile now and im looking forward to buying some very similar or the same stuff that you have ended up showcasing in your videos. over time of course, i wont buy it all at once
I had to chuckle at seeing the badge of the staff weenie during your briefing - discolored fingers from multiple map updates. As an old S1 and S3, my fingers were either multicolored, or dried out from heavy rubbing alcohol use.
Very important to do shape and color when designating enemy and friendly forces because if you look at a Red symbol under red light you won't know what color it is
An excellent point. I remember the first time I looked at a diagram with a red LED, and was shocked to see the red stuff vanish against the white. I knew this was a thing, but hadn't seen it before.
If you're tracking the battlespace, and say you have an artillery battalion or larger, armor, mech infantry, etc that is at least of that size, always look at the terrain directly in front of their last known direction and to the N, S, E, or W. If there's no-go or slo-go terrain, chances are they won't take either of those routes since doing so could pin them down or worse, make them stack up and be annihilated by air or artillery. Look for the fast go routes around them and check what their speed was at last report. Try to estimate where they'll be and just continue dropping artillery, ANGLICO assets, and CAS into that area. Eventually, they'll either be eliminated, you'll get a virtual bonus for spending a billion dollars worth of ordinance, or you'll just churn some dirt while making the flyboys happy to be droppin shit and making big holes.
Wow, my Wargaming hobby actually has a practical application... well, maybe practical isn't the right word. I tend to remove the base of my stapler so that I basically have a "ladyfinger hammer tacker". It's hard to conceive of not doing all of this solo though. God that would be weird. Thanks again for the fine video production.
probably the shape was intended to be able to print the maps in black and white, and still be able to tell the difference between your units and the enemy ones. I'm sure that printing maps in color was not such an easy feat back then
Yep. In field you sometimes have only pencils. Another method is doubling the rectangle outlines for the enemy (its double for the enemy because mostly you will have less enemy markers on the map)
If you're planning to be a 35F in the army I suggest you take notes on this. The schoolhouse is basically IPB until you graduate, your unit will probably make you do different things though not related to IPB at all.
Yarn, yarn, and more yarn. I usually carried 5 different colors, and at least fifty feet of each to build my terrain models and brief my routes. That stuff goes fast.
How do you affix yarn to the map? Do you glue it somehow? Yarn seems light and easily moved, so im not sure how to make sure it stays in place on the map
S2 Underground, you should come up with a book that shows real world battles and the solutions to different and difficult problems throughout that battle. Even if you have to create a more fictional battle or change some events from an actual battle. This is something that is hard to find especially for a civilian.
I wish you would do a video on organizing groups of people for training purposes. Perhaps that's not your forte, but such a video would be excellent, you have a gift for explaining things.
@@kerbalairforce8802 Only a few people I go to the range with. I wanted to organize a group for serious training which would require a lot more people.
Perhaps your questions are legitimate, but you’ve only been subscribed to YT for one (1) year. This is one of many indicators for attempts at infiltration and entrapment.
@@ProbablyTooLoud No offense but you are r-tarded. This is an alternate account I use since my original one got banned permanently for "wrong think". But you go on being paranoid buddy. Worrying about how everyone is a "glowie" will make surre you never organize to do anything.
The red diamond thing is a new addition I think. Before this it was always Red/Blue rectangles. If for some reason no red ink available, you use double rectangles (rectangle within a rectangle) to denote enemies.
When I was a cool kid doing stuff like this, diamonds were a shape we used. I don't know if its doctrine that's more field specific or what, but I can attest to having used them. We also used orange or yellow, some amber type of shade. That was for unknown, but potentially hostile foes. I had to develop and execute the battle plans that would help identify them either way and verify any system automated changes. But it could have just been our needs, and perhaps other branches or units didn't have need of that much specification? Either way, its kinda cool to discuss it again.
Playing games that use the symbology that will be used in operation is a simple way of memorising the symbols and signs. Games like Supreme Commander, kriegsspiel etc.
I worked at a US combatant command for a bit... bruh we use airplane shapes for airplanes, ship shapes for ships, little soldier icons for infantry, etc etc lol. Colors are roughly the same as this I guess
I once led a Dungeons and Dragons game night where the "mini figures" we had were those buckets of little green army men. Can't go wrong with matchbox cars or shaped magnets.
Good work, this video has the best explanation of military map symbols I've ever seen. Does anyone know if there's a battle map of the Ukraine war? One of my frustrations trying to follow that conflict is the lack of useful map information.
Decentralized command I feel is essential. You want subordinates competent and ready to lead. Any leader that is a one-man show is going to be a problem and will eventually get fired. Hopefully you have competent leaders in your squad/platoon/squadron/battalion, etc. who can work as you would for the overall best result (In training and not actually in a SHTF or combat situation)
Map pencils! At _least_ red, blue and graphite, a sharpener, and an eraser - it may be old school, but very useful. Additionally, spend the time to learn how to draw the symbols neatly and clearly.
1:04:00 I met a Nigerian prince once. He was broken down on the bike path and needed a bike pump. I didn't have one. He worked for IBM. Anyhow moral of the story is that these guys don't just exist on the internet but also in real life. I mean he might have worked for IBM. Will never know cause I got on my way.
Knowing how to use a compass and read a map is still very important today ! Kinda like back in the day when the US Air Force thought guns would no longer be necessary on modern fighter jets and quickly found out nothing could be further from the truth. What happens when you run out of missiles ?
The same thing that happens when you run out of gun rounds. You Winchester and return to base. Contrary to pop history accounts the Air Force's F4E Phantom's performance after receiving the M61 Vulcan actually declined compared to the Navy's F-4Ds that didn't get the Vulcan. Probably due to the added weight to the aircraft's nose wrecking its handling characteristics.
Awesome material. Love the practical example. As for civvies - do not nerd out too much. It's easy to get into map stuff just for the sake off nerding out map stuff. Do you know how to draw a riot mob symbol on a map and combine it with flamethrower symbol for molotovs? Cool if you do but what advantage does it give you over just putting infantry icon with "molotov" written next to it. It's not like when we battle track a riot in the city and somebody uses a ENY inf symbol that whe expect platoon of regular infantry to be there :-D As for nerding out - i like to staple the one overlay to the map additionaly to the usual practice of linking the grids in the corner. It make it stay in place.
idk if it may be helpful or not, just got the idea - mark blue on one sheet of plastic, red on 2nd, terrain key neutral etc 3rd. you can quickly change the needed combination overlay for that one commander who wants blue only.
I work in utilities GIS. Enjoy cartography and never broached this subject before. GIS is basically tying the symbology to an underlying database. Want to research if this symbology is used in GIS. It must be.
I feel this. I have a gun snob buddy (refuses to own a rifle under $2-3k) that wants us all to get $200 hand radios, but never does any practice with our $20 handhelds. I told him I'd upgrade *after* we do some skills training with our cheap handhelds.
Is there a MOAG of Russian Forces map symbology? This can help read their maps. I know that there is TB-30-430, but it was put out in 1946. Great video, pratical and very educational.
So if you find a battle map secured from the enemy in the wild you can quickly figure out a lot of information but important to remember they’ll probably use a different color and symbol code.
You also have to be skeptical as this can be done as a trap, and has been done as a trap. Kind of like booby-trapping a weapon or body, suspecting everything. Rolled a dead instructor over once to check for intel and he had a knife. Better to learn that way.
Any helpful tips when trying to research for and through telegram or social media channels? Where do you usually find these? Very interesting video, thanks for the knowledge.
Can confirm what @garrysekelli6776 says S2 has been all over the world. He told my mom he was being stationed to another far away base but he would send money to take care of me. That’s the last time any of us heard from him. I have a feeling there are many half brothers and sisters of mine I’ve never met.
Quick question: what would the symbol be for an irregular “mostly peaceful” mob? I’d assume infantry wouldn’t really be applicable due to the lack of consistent armament, but is there a modifier for irregular units?
Probly best to put it up as neutral unknown until they show which side they're on. The unkown doesn't always mean you don't know who's there or how many. You may know exactly which group it is and how many are there. It may just mean you don't know who their allied with or what their objectives are in that area at the time. Just like he had Al-Qaeda on his as unknown. We know they're hostile to the US, but not sure which side they're on in that conflict.
Back when I was an Army Intelligence Analyst, an old MSG in OPS came up with the idea of printing commonly used generic units directly onto sheets of transparent media. It was neat, because you could place the symbol directly centered on its grid location, while seeing the map terrain directly through the symbol. Using our fine tip magic markers (or artist pens, 1.0 mm gel pens, etc.), we could then add the details: unit modifiers, actual unit, DTG, etc. And realistically (yes, I still have all my stencils, local maps, etc.), as some of us focus more on societal collapse, people should focus on SASO (Support & Stability Operations) symbology. It's really neat stuff: Official US/NATO symbology for graffiti, drive-by shootings, arson, burglaries, extortion, etc. Also, there's nothing wrong with using single sheets of transparent printer media for overlays. Just put your registration marks on the corner of each sheet (BTW, where's the registration marks on your Battleboard piece of Plexiglas?. At least use the lat/long lines in one corner of the map, so that you or someone else doesn't have to spend a half hour trying to re-align the overlay!). Also, couldn't you have picked a better example than Niger? The U.S. created that entire mess. Doesn't five coups within two years by U.S. trained military personnel sound suspicious? Oh, and it was that ogre Victoria Nuland (who we can thank for Ukraine) who visited each of those countries recently, who were "thinking about invading."
As always, thank you for helping us to go from civilians to 5th Gen resistants
10% of us
Resistants to what?
We're just civilians brother!
@@ruicoutinho6005 to women, reject and resist females, embrace big weineeeeeeer and larp moar
the US has the number 1 military in the world.
the US has a police force which is, thanks to the 2ndAmend justifying it, so militarized that it has become in spending the third largest military in the world.
I'm glad I'm not there because no clue how I'd prepare for that. I bet the US intelligence already has files on everyone like they did in Puerto Rico with the Las Carpetas. They had the funds to do 100.000 puerto ricans in the 1930s so just imagine how much they can do now...
only plus the US citizens have in case of a fascist take over is the sheer size of their nation. Lots of places to hide.
I'm a Retired Marine GySgt and you guys do a good job explaining things in layman's terms for folks. Semper Fidelis
By layman's terms you mean Crayola, right?
@@vipercoilz now Marines do eat crayons but we would never cheat at card's. LoL
@@TennGrizzwhat wood chesty do
@@TennGrizz welcome home sir. You're appreciated.
This is the manliest arts and craft project I've ever witnessed.
Playing Arma and just creating your own scenarios can teach you a lot of the symbology as well; was actually surprised how many of the symbols I knew from just playing a game!
If you play "realistic" shooter games with a half dozen people, your communication skills can directly translate.
Thats a bit much, but there are games out there that can teach you some valuable skills....
Like being able to read a map in the firstplace
when I sucked balls at doing battle drills in the field, I'd practice in Arma during my downtime. 90% translated.
Arma is the reason I got comfortable on comms irl and was made the RTO for a year in my platoon@@siamihari8717
I was about to comment the same, I also create Arma missions - I like adding symbols to the map just enough to give hints to the teams, yet not enough that any plan they make would last very long - it helps add some spice to playing a game. Its when you see how horrendous that could be in real life, how often that could occur - sure makes you appreciate what the real people do, often without any clue it has happened.
I've watched this 3 times over the last few weeks and still keep picking new information up. You sir, are doing your fellow countrymen a great service.
I am not a prepper or military, but this is really fascinating to me.
You explain things so clearly and simply.
I did this for a full year in Iraq to complete my staff time… it was awesome and definitely put me ahead of my peers, sharpened the edge…
Great work as usual, but 3 points.
The Map under redlight realy showed the importance of differenciating the Symbols for blue red and yellow forces by shape not by colour.
Even my LTC who trained me in tactics didnt consider, that under redlight all symbols are black, this is why you need the difference shapes.
Yes from an S2 perspective one overlay to track red and blue is enough. But you can prepare Maps way better with multiple overlays. If you are interested, I can show you my maps from Officerschool and Infantry School.
The Quote: "No plan survived first contact with the enemy." is from Moltke( the older, trust me I am from the prussian part of westphalia) And yeah for the crayon eater crew you can quote Mike Tyson "Everybody got a pan until he gets punched in the face!"
The old Motke was a man of expedients. Nice reference
Preussen voran!
That's the best battle tracking lecture I've ever heard. Thanks
As a colorblind person, I highly respect the choice to use both color and shape
Ive always had this fantasy of battle tracking with the little green toy soldiers from the kids play room. Something about that just feels fun.
Thank you S2U we appreciate your dedication dude.
Always ready to learn from the S2 team. Thanks!
All this discussion of how to run a TOC or COC, and the elephant in the room is the modern era of drones and guided munitions against large static soft targets like TOC and COC base-X tents. Fantastic job discussing all the seats at the table and little jobs to be thought about! This next decade is going to really put another level of friction against the COC teams in hostile environments doing all of these critical jobs.
Bro this is awesome even for travel, hiking and reporting. Very nice.
I was how this dropped 38 seconds ago and had 109 views -- released to member then shared. No matter just the same excellent thought provoking level of content.
Patreon homies get it 24hrs ahead of time
unfortunately not in my meager budget at this time. but thank you for the tidbit.@@podiumforge6477
"Back in the day" for me means pre-BFT:) Corkboards, maps, pins, paper or acetate overlays, colored pencils/alcohol markers. This was a big part of running a heavy mortar FDC..of course, we also used similar low-tech methods to compute the firing data.
That's exactly what I use now too much reliance on technology is a Achilles heel. Whiz Wheels work every single time
Ahhhhhh, the memories of acetate overlays and grease pencils…. 🫡
My Sunday night just got a whole lot better! Thanks man! Can you do a guerilla tactics/sabotage episode?
I send up my mavic to "battle track" my kids around the neighborhood. I've also used it for milsim paintball to be my "eye in the sky". Send up to 400' camera straight down. Shoot, move, communicate.
The problem with that is now most airports and agency in real time can pin point the launch of a drone thus more then likely giving up your position from the start.
@@lanceu9134 the $40 HF specials can't. There is also "dumb" versions of drone controls.
@@lanceu9134 I think you are overestimating airport's ability to track aircraft that don't self report. Generic search radar filters out all noise below a certain size and speed in order to ignore birds and static. A radar tuned to see a small drone is also going to see flocks of pigeons and crows.
@@kerbalairforce8802 not overestimating it at all. One thinking they can fly a drone undetected is no different then one driving around on a cb radio not thinking they can be triangulated. All state prisons in my state have drone detection as well as my local airport. Being within the restriction zone of the airport immediately alerts the system. The system is designed to differentiate a drone vs bird etc. ever heard of shotspotter system used within cities for gunshot location?
You got to think outside the box some guys come on.
@@lanceu9134 flying tree tops in a designated bird watching area full of hawks, eagles, and vultures is pretty hard to detect.
We called them Deck logs in the Navy. I filled that position many times. High speed maneuvers, and actions we used specific abbreviations. These logs were rewritten hours later fully expanding all abbreviations etc. These become permanent records and are sent off. Amazing how much data we took in seconds or minutes.
My personal goals:
-research more into SigInt
-purchase good starter level gear to be able to perform and learn SigInt such as aircraft detection, radio com monitoring, triangulate signals and basic battle tracking
-practice and research on what the heck im doing now that i know a bit
-purchase more equipment to make myself comfortable in performing tastes.
-upgrade and actually become good with more practice.
its been over a year since i started wanting to do this and iv learned that if i dont start now because im busy i wont start later. iv had some cash put aside to finance this for awhile now and im looking forward to buying some very similar or the same stuff that you have ended up showcasing in your videos. over time of course, i wont buy it all at once
This was your best video yet, I think. Concentrated, valuable information and tips.
That map makes things so much clearer.
I had to chuckle at seeing the badge of the staff weenie during your briefing - discolored fingers from multiple map updates. As an old S1 and S3, my fingers were either multicolored, or dried out from heavy rubbing alcohol use.
Now that was pretty awesome lecture for my specialty- forward observer, it was very useful and interesting too. Thank You.
Well, that intro was certainly a blast from the past.
As an officer who served in command posts from battalion command post two division command post I think this is good video.
Thank you so much for all that you do for us.
Very important to do shape and color when designating enemy and friendly forces because if you look at a Red symbol under red light you won't know what color it is
An excellent point. I remember the first time I looked at a diagram with a red LED, and was shocked to see the red stuff vanish against the white. I knew this was a thing, but hadn't seen it before.
If you're tracking the battlespace, and say you have an artillery battalion or larger, armor, mech infantry, etc that is at least of that size, always look at the terrain directly in front of their last known direction and to the N, S, E, or W. If there's no-go or slo-go terrain, chances are they won't take either of those routes since doing so could pin them down or worse, make them stack up and be annihilated by air or artillery. Look for the fast go routes around them and check what their speed was at last report. Try to estimate where they'll be and just continue dropping artillery, ANGLICO assets, and CAS into that area. Eventually, they'll either be eliminated, you'll get a virtual bonus for spending a billion dollars worth of ordinance, or you'll just churn some dirt while making the flyboys happy to be droppin shit and making big holes.
Good timing, keep up the good work.
Wow, my Wargaming hobby actually has a practical application... well, maybe practical isn't the right word.
I tend to remove the base of my stapler so that I basically have a "ladyfinger hammer tacker".
It's hard to conceive of not doing all of this solo though. God that would be weird.
Thanks again for the fine video production.
Man as a topo guy this brought back so many memories
I love this type of information content with historical det
Keep it up, bro.
Your needed more than ever.
probably the shape was intended to be able to print the maps in black and white, and still be able to tell the difference between your units and the enemy ones. I'm sure that printing maps in color was not such an easy feat back then
Yeah. When deployed you can't always count on having colored ink so the shapes are a good way of differentiating affiliation
Yep. In field you sometimes have only pencils.
Another method is doubling the rectangle outlines for the enemy (its double for the enemy because mostly you will have less enemy markers on the map)
If you're planning to be a 35F in the army I suggest you take notes on this. The schoolhouse is basically IPB until you graduate, your unit will probably make you do different things though not related to IPB at all.
Extremely well last words I this video, thank you.
Enemy Pack Animal. I had to go look that one up. Talk about obscure. Great Job.
Excellent content as always. Especially well timed on weekly meal preping night.
Thank you. Excellent video
Nice job explaining! It's tied together better now. 👍
Thank you Arma 3 for putting me on early !
enjoyed the longer format. thanks for the presentation
This is an excellent video.
Please keep up the good work.
Thank you sir for video. I am afraid, new pressure is coming soon.
Yarn, yarn, and more yarn. I usually carried 5 different colors, and at least fifty feet of each to build my terrain models and brief my routes. That stuff goes fast.
How do you affix yarn to the map? Do you glue it somehow? Yarn seems light and easily moved, so im not sure how to make sure it stays in place on the map
@@TrueHolarctic Pushpins...
I'd love to see a vid about how to deal with the firehose of raw data. How do you organize it all?
Bad ass as always. Keep em coming
Excellent presentation!!!
Thank you
Brings back memories working on C2 systems in Korea.
S2 Underground, you should come up with a book that shows real world battles and the solutions to different and difficult problems throughout that battle. Even if you have to create a more fictional battle or change some events from an actual battle. This is something that is hard to find especially for a civilian.
Grozny always fascinated me.
Hell, even both Chechen campaigns have so many lessons to learn
Well explained. Thank you.
I wish you would do a video on organizing groups of people for training purposes. Perhaps that's not your forte, but such a video would be excellent, you have a gift for explaining things.
That could be a great video. 🤔
Do you have a gun range group? Camping group? HAM radio enthusiasts?
@@kerbalairforce8802 Only a few people I go to the range with. I wanted to organize a group for serious training which would require a lot more people.
Perhaps your questions are legitimate, but you’ve only been subscribed to YT for one (1) year. This is one of many indicators for attempts at infiltration and entrapment.
@@ProbablyTooLoud No offense but you are r-tarded. This is an alternate account I use since my original one got banned permanently for "wrong think". But you go on being paranoid buddy. Worrying about how everyone is a "glowie" will make surre you never organize to do anything.
Class is in session everyone !! PAY ATTENTION!!
The red diamond thing is a new addition I think. Before this it was always Red/Blue rectangles. If for some reason no red ink available, you use double rectangles (rectangle within a rectangle) to denote enemies.
When I was a cool kid doing stuff like this, diamonds were a shape we used. I don't know if its doctrine that's more field specific or what, but I can attest to having used them. We also used orange or yellow, some amber type of shade. That was for unknown, but potentially hostile foes. I had to develop and execute the battle plans that would help identify them either way and verify any system automated changes.
But it could have just been our needs, and perhaps other branches or units didn't have need of that much specification? Either way, its kinda cool to discuss it again.
Playing games that use the symbology that will be used in operation is a simple way of memorising the symbols and signs. Games like Supreme Commander, kriegsspiel etc.
Fuckin-a, another drop from S2. Lol
It’s always nice while I’m behind enemy lines. 😂
Thank you!
This is some real Ben Raines/Rebel Army quality info.
The mention of a civil w*r is quite interesting. Curious to see how this plays out
I worked at a US combatant command for a bit... bruh we use airplane shapes for airplanes, ship shapes for ships, little soldier icons for infantry, etc etc lol. Colors are roughly the same as this I guess
KISS principles work every time. 🤷🏻♂️
I once led a Dungeons and Dragons game night where the "mini figures" we had were those buckets of little green army men. Can't go wrong with matchbox cars or shaped magnets.
Good work, this video has the best explanation of military map symbols I've ever seen.
Does anyone know if there's a battle map of the Ukraine war? One of my frustrations trying to follow that conflict is the lack of useful map information.
Decentralized command I feel is essential. You want subordinates competent and ready to lead. Any leader that is a one-man show is going to be a problem and will eventually get fired. Hopefully you have competent leaders in your squad/platoon/squadron/battalion, etc. who can work as you would for the overall best result (In training and not actually in a SHTF or combat situation)
Map pencils! At _least_ red, blue and graphite, a sharpener, and an eraser - it may be old school, but very useful. Additionally, spend the time to learn how to draw the symbols neatly and clearly.
Cool video thanks.
New S2 upload. Lets go
Thank you. Great information.
Add French in-theatre staging for the win. Tribal overlay, too.
Very, very interesting indeed🫵
Great job
1:04:00 I met a Nigerian prince once. He was broken down on the bike path and needed a bike pump. I didn't have one. He worked for IBM. Anyhow moral of the story is that these guys don't just exist on the internet but also in real life. I mean he might have worked for IBM. Will never know cause I got on my way.
Knowing how to use a compass and read a map is still very important today ! Kinda like back in the day when the US Air Force thought guns would no longer be necessary on modern fighter jets and quickly found out nothing could be further from the truth. What happens when you run out of missiles ?
The same thing that happens when you run out of gun rounds. You Winchester and return to base. Contrary to pop history accounts the Air Force's F4E Phantom's performance after receiving the M61 Vulcan actually declined compared to the Navy's F-4Ds that didn't get the Vulcan. Probably due to the added weight to the aircraft's nose wrecking its handling characteristics.
Awesome material. Love the practical example.
As for civvies - do not nerd out too much. It's easy to get into map stuff just for the sake off nerding out map stuff. Do you know how to draw a riot mob symbol on a map and combine it with flamethrower symbol for molotovs? Cool if you do but what advantage does it give you over just putting infantry icon with "molotov" written next to it. It's not like when we battle track a riot in the city and somebody uses a ENY inf symbol that whe expect platoon of regular infantry to be there :-D
As for nerding out - i like to staple the one overlay to the map additionaly to the usual practice of linking the grids in the corner. It make it stay in place.
Analog is always the best option.
Fantastic, thank you so much🙌
Good review I did all this like 15+ years ago in Iraq
idk if it may be helpful or not, just got the idea - mark blue on one sheet of plastic, red on 2nd, terrain key neutral etc 3rd. you can quickly change the needed combination overlay for that one commander who wants blue only.
another banger video. 🔥🔥
Thank you kindly. Polish osint team graphic/mapper ^^
"Wake up babe, S2 Underground just dropped a new video"
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I work in utilities GIS. Enjoy cartography and never broached this subject before. GIS is basically tying the symbology to an underlying database. Want to research if this symbology is used in GIS. It must be.
And now we have ATAK!
I have a radio and it is like pulling teeth to get people interested in radio communications
When their lives depend on it, some people are going to become very interested, very quickly.
I feel this. I have a gun snob buddy (refuses to own a rifle under $2-3k) that wants us all to get $200 hand radios, but never does any practice with our $20 handhelds. I told him I'd upgrade *after* we do some skills training with our cheap handhelds.
Appreciate you family.
Please stop flipping that stencil 🤣 giving me anxiety.
Thank you S2
Is there a MOAG of Russian Forces map symbology? This can help read their maps. I know that there is TB-30-430, but it was put out in 1946. Great video, pratical and very educational.
13:39 run in the front the gun always works best, cheers
poster putty is probably a better unit symbol backing than either pennies or magnets
even if it gets dirty the putty still has weight and volume to make handling the laminated paper easier, and you can always carry extra putty
The putty can stick the icons down a little bit too. Even if it's bumped or a gust of wind comes through
So if you find a battle map secured from the enemy in the wild you can quickly figure out a lot of information but important to remember they’ll probably use a different color and symbol code.
You also have to be skeptical as this can be done as a trap, and has been done as a trap. Kind of like booby-trapping a weapon or body, suspecting everything. Rolled a dead instructor over once to check for intel and he had a knife. Better to learn that way.
@@SgtSkrog
Yeah false intel should be expected 👍
Any helpful tips when trying to research for and through telegram or social media channels? Where do you usually find these?
Very interesting video, thanks for the knowledge.
i miss the lemmino track at the end of the video - the tone was perfect. :(
OBC refresher...but more enjoyable.
S2 Underground is the closest thing to a father I've ever had.
He is my dad. My mom did lots of shady things in her past. I've never confronted her about it, but S2 is my dad.
Same
I hope this isn't serious.
Go outside homie
Can confirm what @garrysekelli6776 says
S2 has been all over the world. He told my mom he was being stationed to another far away base but he would send money to take care of me. That’s the last time any of us heard from him. I have a feeling there are many half brothers and sisters of mine I’ve never met.
Quick question: what would the symbol be for an irregular “mostly peaceful” mob? I’d assume infantry wouldn’t really be applicable due to the lack of consistent armament, but is there a modifier for irregular units?
Potential hostiles and if known, armaments. I would list it if relevant, a primarily peaceful mob can turn sour quick. Listed as unknown.
How about (M) in a circle for "mob"?
(M)ob could be protests, riots, or a stampede of disaster refugees.
Probly best to put it up as neutral unknown until they show which side they're on. The unkown doesn't always mean you don't know who's there or how many. You may know exactly which group it is and how many are there. It may just mean you don't know who their allied with or what their objectives are in that area at the time. Just like he had Al-Qaeda on his as unknown. We know they're hostile to the US, but not sure which side they're on in that conflict.
@kerbalairforce8802 Depending on the scenario, that could be a great option. Nothing wrong with personal symbols in smaller/personal settings.
As a comunist, I should say thank you, this will be very helpful during the guerrilas
Back when I was an Army Intelligence Analyst, an old MSG in OPS came up with the idea of printing commonly used generic units directly onto sheets of transparent media. It was neat, because you could place the symbol directly centered on its grid location, while seeing the map terrain directly through the symbol. Using our fine tip magic markers (or artist pens, 1.0 mm gel pens, etc.), we could then add the details: unit modifiers, actual unit, DTG, etc.
And realistically (yes, I still have all my stencils, local maps, etc.), as some of us focus more on societal collapse, people should focus on SASO (Support & Stability Operations) symbology. It's really neat stuff: Official US/NATO symbology for graffiti, drive-by shootings, arson, burglaries, extortion, etc.
Also, there's nothing wrong with using single sheets of transparent printer media for overlays. Just put your registration marks on the corner of each sheet (BTW, where's the registration marks on your Battleboard piece of Plexiglas?. At least use the lat/long lines in one corner of the map, so that you or someone else doesn't have to spend a half hour trying to re-align the overlay!).
Also, couldn't you have picked a better example than Niger? The U.S. created that entire mess. Doesn't five coups within two years by U.S. trained military personnel sound suspicious? Oh, and it was that ogre Victoria Nuland (who we can thank for Ukraine) who visited each of those countries recently, who were "thinking about invading."
Been currently battle tracking this hurricane. We had an earthquake about 30 minutes ago. I hope you brought your party hats.
Sounds like a direct HAARP attack.