Same. I lived in an HOA with my parents when I was still in high school. They made my parents' life hell when we had to leave for a family funeral. 5k for grass, dude. Insane.
I lived in a nice neighborhood in Bethany...my front lawn was controlled by the HOA and it flooded like a swing pool all the timethey came out and shrugged...every year same pool of water...they never did anything...my neighbor who is a an architect painted his house the same exact color without permission and got his house leaned on....NEVER AGIAIN HOA!
Depends on the HOA. Some are pretty cheap and low impact like mine and mainly act against people that diminish quality of life and property values - hoarders, overgrown weedy yards, tarps on leaky roofs, abandoned cars, nuisance behavior, etc. All the things I want an HOA to do to maintain my investment. And I don't care to live next to the kind of people that don't think rules apply to them even after agreeing to it. Immediately outside my HOA are 2 houses that are absolutely trashed and look like hoarder houses in the middle of an otherwise decent neighborhood. Those neighbors have no recourse for help but an understaffed and unconcerned county government that moves at a snails pace and gives endless reprieves.
The HOA rules are given to you when you buy the house. You don't have to buy it. The residents elect the board memebers who hire the HOA and approves their decisions in board meetings.
@CalienteDesign Are you just stupid???? These are rules that were NOT in place when the homes were purchased. You should watch the video before you make yourself look like a serious idiot.
Problem with that great rule is that almost all new houses being built are being built in new neighborhoods that the city governments then force the builders to establish an HOA to run these new neighborhoods, and charge the home owners fees to pay for the maintenance of all the streets, water pipes, sewers and sewage treatment, street signs and lights. And street markings, sidewalks, city owned bushes and trees.....so most people will be forced to live under an HOA's thumb since there are not enough used houses in older neighborhoods without HOAs being sold, to house everybody that realizes how horrible living under an HOA can be, much less the vast numbers of yet unenlightened people who eventually want to be homeowners someday!
They wont be. They offload alot of responsibility from the city. In all of these major cities that have suburbs exploding in size, would require more work from the city. It just won't happen.
Get a lawyer and sued the hell out of them. My HOA did the same thing to me. Took 2 years to get an improper lien off my home then I sold it and left! Never ever again will I ever buy in an HOA.
Faster and easier, just say 2-3 members can declare a need for a vote of confidence or impeachment. Stop anyone from driving shit like this and all it takes is one legal precedence.
It should be illegal because they offer zero value except to promote discrimination in neighborhoods. NIMBY people use them to keep out "unsavory types."
Another reason why I HATE HOAs with a fiery, red hot, burning passion. I've lived in 2 in the past and will NEVER live in one again. When I was looking to buy a house, anything that showed up in a HOA was an automatic hell no. HOA is basically, you pay the mortgage, but someone else tells you how to live.
Very true! However, I suggest doing research before tossing a prospective home purchase in a HOA. We decided to purchase after reading the bylaws terms and conditions, liked what we saw as is... and then realized the rules made it all but impossible to change the CC&Rs and bylaws... and no method to increase the dues. So it's been a decade or two... no changes and never an increase in dues... Just a suggested increase...
Why was the board so afraid of losing that they changed the bylaws to keep them in place? This is evidence of not operating in good faith, and can be challenged.
HOAs themselves proclaim they add value by protecting home values. But I’ve now owned 7 homes in my life, and only one of them was in an HOA. I still haven’t seen any examples of neighborhoods in HOAs being any nicer than non HOA areas.
You might not hear a peep from the HOA for years. Just send in your dues and all is well. You just don't grumble if you think the dues are being spent incorrectly. You let sleeping dogs lay. Then one day, you get that letter in mail. Followed by more letters. The HOA environment can literally change over night. You didn't even see it coming. And then you actually read the bylaws for the first time in your life and realize you are literally screwed. Language in the bylaws were changed slowly to give the HOA complete authority over the community and your property. HOA's really have one purpose. To maintain the property value within the community. But when the HOA power gets abused, there is little you can do to stop it.
@@superdave8248 Exactly! These Board Members are bored nasty Residents who ride around in their golf carts looking for violations. They’re rotten to the core.
Ex-president here. And I agree with you 100%. Their covenants should have rules on what is necessary to change something within the covenants. And those rule changes almost always require a vote of the residents of the HOA. Sounds like a rogue board, and a president with a hidden agenda who is lying to people in the neighborhood. Most residents don't know what the covenants say, and don't have a copy.
When he said it was humiliating, that hit home for me. If you live in an HOA, it’s like you don’t even own your own home that you worked hard for. You can’t do anything without their approval. It’s ridiculous. Unless the HOA board is making your mortgage payment, they can go pound sand. HOA board members also have personal legal protection. Remove the legal protection of overzealous board members and they’ll act much differently I think.
The State needs to refuse to lend enforcement to this craziness. No State? no fines, liens, or HOA. It's long past time we had a national conversation about abusive "contracts". .
We’ve lived in a HOA condo for three years in Hawaii. Happy to say we’ve moved out January 25 and purchased a home. Our main criteria was NO HOA. We found few houses that were more favorable and cheaper but they were in a HOA complex. Didn’t even go look at it. Made the mistake once , not again.
This is ridiculous. That poor man. They wanted to make him so miserable that he would sell and leave. The HOA President probably has friends who they tell that they want to move into the area. It’s purposeful.
not make him miserable enough to leave. they're in the process of stealing his home. they don't care if he leaves or not. because if he doesn't pay all his hoa fees and late charges, within a certain period of time. they can legally file a judicial foreclosure (and it's quick none of that year long back n forth to court) it's quick, gets filed, and they take ownership of his home. Next they can sell it to their friends for whatever the hoa fees are. and it's game over.
@@tempgirl00711likely screw up the paperwork to harrass him also. And mail .ect..and misinform him and then litigate him into poverty ala trump ...business methods and now retributions?
I'm a board member of the Shack-in-the-Woods HOA, and we'd like to talk to you about the lack of 3" purple and blue annuals in your non-existent windows boxes... That is a violation of rule 103^2.456, and as a result, you are being fined $26,000 per every 8 minutes it is not addressed. Note: This notice was crafted by the legal team for Shack-in-the-Woods HOA, and the cost to you for this notification is $10,000.
@@grumpyoldlady_rants Thank you for your reply. Our legal team has a $3,000 fee for reading replies. We will take your comment into consideration... Note: There is an additional $7,000 fee for replying to comments... ;-)
Eventually, everyone learns the hard way that HOAs are not your friends. Buy an older house in an established neighborhood and save yourself the headaches.
To each their own. Established neighborhoods means you are subject to junk cars, boats or RVs on the street, people who don’t keep up their landscaping, people using loud tools in their garages late at night etc. We moved from an established older neighborhood to an HOA because we got tired of dealing with every one of those problems. I’ll gladly trade my freedom to choose any old paint color over someone else’s eyesore. We’ve been here 10 years without a complaint. The people on the board in this story sound crazy and should be sued.
@@ronswansonsdog2833 Literally none of those things are worse than what you risk dealing with in an HOA. You can't get foreclosed upon by "junk cars". Why do you even care what color your neighbor's house is painted?
When I see home listings say "Home Owners Association Features" it really should read as Detriments instead. Also I haven't been able to find a good way of searching homes without an HOA.
What good does it do to read the bylaws or know who is on the board if the bylaws can be changed on a whim to suit the board members or if you have no say on who replaces board members? Wasn't it said in the beginning that this family had lived in the neighborhood for 15 years without ANY issues? Then this "new" board president or whatever comes in and changes everything make the lives of the residents miserable. Isn't this a form of extortion? Why aren't there at least state guidelines/restrictions on what an HOA can do. We have laws pertaining to Renters Landlords, why not have laws that protect people from being taken advantage of in these HOA areas?
Agree fully. It is ORGANISED CRIME! Punishable under the U.S. statute R.I.C.O act. This sort of corruption will add to FORCED HOME LESS NESS and loss of income.
By laws should only be changable by majority vote entire HOA you look for such when you read by laws not the current rules the boring how the board runs stuff
The point is that properly written bylaws should define the process needed to ammend the bylaws, so you should make sure the board doesn't have the power to unilaterally change the rules. That's why, if you're going to buy in an HOA that you include an HOA review contingency in your offer and you actually follow through and review it to your satisfaction, which likely means spending the money to have an attorney go over it with you. It's not worth saving hundreds of dollars if it could cost you tens of thousands later.
If the head of the HOA's lawn is "ruined and made brown" with pesticides one night - when does he have to pay the fine and how long does he have to get the entire lawn replaced? I'd find out.
Aside from all the other illegal fraud, are they allowed to change rules without some sort of majority vote? Like they can just make up whatever they want?
But they did send in the which about an extra meeting before they changed the rues and therefor there schould be a meeting by the old rules...... PERIOD.
I do feel for this people because I`m in a look a like situation with my community. The board is in charge what so ever ..... and I do thing they are getting a friend of a friend to do jobs and not having some firms making an offer to do the job....... at least the board got furious at me when I did ask for info on a case and I did not get it.... n way in this life.
@@WebDesignSocal Problem is, a lot of times, they can put a lien on your house, constantly add fees to it, and if you don't pay, they can auction your house to pay the fees. I saw another story where they did that to someone because they "missed" their $150 HOA fee. The HOA tried to auction it for $19k. Luckily they were able to work things out, but still the HOA extorted them for $3500 to get their own house back. Apparently you agree to this BS as part of buying the house in the first place. Like they said in the story, they have almost no oversight and since it's not considered criminal, it's hard to fight.
By this logic you cannot actually go into the garage to get into the car because that would require habitation of the garage while doing so. Of course you also cannot park the car in the driveway either.
HOA's are mostly run by a bunch of Karen's and Darren's that cannot mind their own damn business. There is no way in hell I would ever live in a place that has an HOA.
Nope, most are run by professional property management companies which are hired by the resident board members to enforce the Governing Documents prepared by the developer at the inception of the development.
You reversed the NUMBER on HOA homes, 84% of all home sold in America are not in an HOA...that's absurd. I Live in Massachusetts, HOA's are almost unknown here and in NH, ME, and Vermontit's even less. The STAT is ONY for new Subdivisions...
This HOA is out of control. The homeowners should sue the board members for harassment and abuse of authority. Better to pay lawyers than cave in and pay ludicrous fines.
Vote to completely disband the HOAs and don not give them any power. Then sue the individuals for civil and criminal exploitation harassment fraud and racketteering.
The likelihood is that the board was not authorized to change the Bylaws of the Association without a vote of the full membership. The story muddles some of the details of the HOA structure. The changing of bylaws so as to head off an active move to vote out the board members is likely not compliant. All the properties are only subject to the HOA due to CC&R's recorded on the property. Yeah, for sure, it makes sense to contact a lawyer. Contacting a lawyer does not mean only that a lawsuit would be filed. Advice could reveal the limits of the boards authority. For inapplicable fines, the owner could take the HOA to small claim's court as many times as necessary to void all the fines and stay under the small claims limit. That small court could interpret the rules more correctly. If the directors are acting illegally so as to cause harm to other owners then the directors themselves could be individually liable for their actions and prejudices. Among other things the federal fair housing act would likely prohibit the HOA from forbidding residence of multiple generations.
I was looking for a comment like this. As you point out, since the news reporter didn't review the HOA CC&Rs a homeowner will need to speak with a lawyer.
Agree. and in the meantime he needs to file chap 13 to protect this home ownership. right now they're working towards stealing his home from him and selling it to one of their friends for the balance of his overdue hoa fees.
Yes, there are parts of the complaint here that seem very fishy. I was an inspector and lots of folks have their parent's living with them no problem. Two sides to every story.
I will never live in an HOA. That was my non-negotiable requirement when buying my house. I would rather live in a ghetto than a hoity-toity HOA. And for those that say their HOA is easy going...that could change. For those that say it's nearly impossible to find a house without an HOA....Total BS. These entities are evil.
If enough people refuse to buy HOA The price of HOA homes will tank, and they will be forced to address it. Either by expanding HOA or putting consumer protections in place so they can't be taken advantage of.
@@MessyPointedBlobyes they can vote. In this guy case, 90 percent of homeowners would need to come together to vote. How many of those will not due to retaliation? My HOA called a meeting to vote, when homeowners showed up to vote, there was no voting, they didn't even addressed it. The problem is that the BOARD MEMBERS feels invincible because there is no accountability.
YES EXACTLY!!! I cannot tell you how many people I have run across over the years that have said, that they "love HOA's" and "My HOA is great they would never do anything like this" I bet you this guy they are interviewing was in fact one of those people too. People never get it through their thick skulls that an HOA can changed in an instant going from a supposed utopia to hell. It continually blows my mind how much people love HOA's! I swear they have to be communists at heart or something. Reply
Ran a real estate company in Oregon for 20 years. Property management and HOAs create more financial crimes on a daily basis than most realize. Oregon does a lousy job, almost non existent, of auditing these groups. Seems intentional to me.
Let me see, a house cost $100000. You get someone to buy it then start fines for walking on their front walk and calling that 'habitation'. Or not using approved grass means they have an improper lawn. Now for writing a few notes, you put a lien on a house. Take it from the owner and resell it. Rinse, repeat. Sounds like near infinite money.
I sold real estate too in Oregon for many years and wondered why people would even think about buying a home where other people are in control of what you do or don't do. I knew people in Bend who bought a home in an HOA where the prices started at $500,000. and up. They were told how many visitors they could have at a time. How many cars could be parked in front of the house at a time. The garage door had to be closed by 5pm, etc. I was shocked that people bought into that. Mobile home parks and condos are just as bad. You pay all of that money for a home, just to have people make you feel like you are a prisoner and now trapped.
@@danamoore1788 You'd be extremely lucky to find a home for $100,000. that was even livable. These homes are high priced to begin with and then the HOA fee on top of it. I think they should ban HOA's. They sound good in the beginning and falsely makes people feel like they will be safe, and their investment protected but in reality, I think it is just the opposite. You have made yourself a prisoner in your own home and have no control over it.
Since when is being in the garage considered “habitation”? Habitation is where you live. They are trying to make the definition of habitation be “somewhere where you happen to be while you are alive”. I don’t know where this is but in my state there is oversight for HOAs.
Essentially, they are trying to stretch habitation. The CC&Rs probably say something about not living in a garage and that a garage is only for parking.
This IS A HUGE PROBLEM! It infects every city in every state. When I first moved into my neighborhood I signed a contract for $850 a month. The area came with a full time security guard, an office with a staff member that dealt with homeowner issues and shipping, a large gate at the front and each home has its own gate that the hoa is responsible for. We have lost the security guard, the office, and the organization took over a year to fix a gate.. since then we’ve had to fix it ourselves because we don’t want the drama anymore. Given that we’ve lost 2 full time employees we should be paying less for hoa. We’ve gone to the meetings.. everyone has complained.. nothing has changed. We overpay.. and we are stuck in it.
You accepted the HOA as it was when you moved in ! Any changes should have raised a red flag the your $850 was being embezzled by the board members. Go to the police with the numbers ... or a lawyer who handles financial crimes. ~~~ Could get your money back.
So the tenet works on his car in the driveway, get fined. Tenet then works on car in the garage, USED FOR HABITATION $300 FINE. Bro the that point entering your garage is habitation. This is ridiculous
That letter about "working on a car in the garage equals habitation in the garage" seems like the sort of smoking gun to have the HOA arrested. They could have at least worded it differently and said "garages are for parking and storage only, projects such as assembly, wood working, auto repair, etc... are prohibited." And surely changing bylaws without any voting is straight up illegal.
Without HOAs you get people renting out their homes as transient public housing that could possibly lead to unsafe and unstable neighborhoods...That's not necessarily what folks who purchased their homes to stay and raise families in, or retire to want...You also get more people creating businesses out of their homes such as childcare, mechanics, woodworking, or even air b&bs, which can create commercial business areas with too much traffic, and strangers in and out of what was meant to be a residential area of homeowners and families...HOAs lawyers can help protect property values, and that's a good thing for folks who make it home💖
The only reason people are buying into HOAs now is because that’s all that is being built. The developers won’t make single family homes anymore because they can make more money selling the homes they build to a corporation that institutes an HOA. It’s complete and utter bull hockey!
I live in Central, FL, rapid development going on all around me and the entire county. These new homes are much bigger than mine. There is still no HOA thankfully. It's the same builder transforming the neighborhood. I fear they will try to institute an HOA. I know you can't be forced to join but they can still harass you. I've seen videos of home owners being harass that are not part of an HOA.
@@CalienteDesign Every neighborhood I've lived in has always been nice, well kept and safe. Most people take pride in their homes, I do. I don't need little "Gestapo" minded groups of people telling me how!!!!
Our HOA did the same they charged me $16,000 because I did not get permission to cutting down the trees, in fact, I did submit trees pictures to manager 9/15/2021 but did not hear anything from the Board for 3 months. On 9/20/2021 I received HOA letter saying that move trees no need to file to board . Then we going to meeting but HOA changed us $16,000 I hire 3 lawyer totally $8000 , finally, settle down $paid HOA $ 2,5000. I believe it is best way to file lawsuit to against HOA .
It should be noted, your story says 84% of new homes are in HOA's. This seems to imply that most people want them. This isn't true. In many areas, local government REQUIRE builders to establish HOA's. This is to remove the burden of code enforcement from the government.
Debtor neighbors force owners to comply with bank toadies and thieves..and control 50 year non debt owned lands making them worthless . Property owners were once the only allowed voters. Hoa is crap..
HOA's under the pretext of maintaining property value, have imposed unacceptable rules on some of the participants. The president of my association had Canadian geese trapped and slaughtered, for a fee, with the help of the USDA. Many of us loved these birds and were feeding them. It was devastating to find out, they had been murdered. The president of the association also decided to change the entrance landscaping and charge the HOA over 100K to tear down what we had, which was fine , but replace it by something that later, died in the frost. I expect he made a deal with that landscaping Cie, we had never heard of, before. He very likely scammed us, to profit from the deal. He was not re-elected but he hangs around, likely waiting for a chance to exercise his fraudulent and unethical behavior. Yes, indeed HOA's should be banned. We do not want them ! They pretend to be philanthropic but instead, they are thieves, who steal, at any importunity, money in their pocket when no one is investigating. Disgusting and stressful.
My HOA told me any request to build anything on my property, patio cover, gazebo, etc. would be rejected. They have rejected all my requests. The discrimination is rampant.
All HOA's ask that you submit a plan of what you are going to do to make sure you aren't impeding on the rights of your fellow homeowners or building a sub standard "shanty". No, you can't build barn in you backyard or block your neighbor's view. The architectural requirements are in the Governing Documents. Once you submit a plan within the guidelines, then it will be approved with a timeline you submit, as no neighbor wants to listen to construction for year while you get it happening or drive over your nails in the street. That's what keep the neighborhood looking good.
@CalienteDesign You must be the president of an HOA the way you're up and down the comments defending everything they do. You are obviously biased...no one is listening to you.
property ownership is a human right. HOA's are in direct contradiction to that principle. The most important thing we own in this life is ourselves, and by extension what we produce with our time and labor, which includes our most prized physical possession... our home. It belongs to us, and no one else. That is a moral principal that has sadly been forgotten and/or has been twisted into something it is not. We have the right to do as we wish with what is ours, and we owe no one anything (especially money or explanation) when they don't like that fact and want us to do something with our property that 'they' want us to do. It does not belong to them. Period.
Can you imagine if a newcomer with Cartel connections were to buy and the hoa started this crap? I foresee re-enactments of the "Tortuga" episode of Breaking Bad. "We don't know where Pam & Karen went, no one's seen them for a week...."
Parking and storage only. If you stop for one moment in your garage to look at your car right after a car wash and smile, that is not storage, therefore it is habitation, you owe $1000.
Having never personally dealt with any HOAs, can anyone educate me about what happens if a person is fined, but never pays? Also, are there legal steps homeowners can take to remove HOAs? I'm quite curious how a small group of individuals manages to acquire power over people who own their homes.. and in reference to this story, someone should seriously educate the HOA board members that someone UTILIZING their garage to work on something, does NOT mean that it is being used for "habitation", because the definition of habitation means to "live in", not to work in occasionally.. lol..
Know the people on your board, but more importantly, know those behind the HOA board. You might be surprised to discover they are not members of the neighborhood, but a corporation. Sometimes these corporations are subsidiary entities of foreign investment firms. It's one of the latest and greatest scams going on in the US these days.
Board members are always residents. There is an election every year. Their job is to enforce the Governing Documents you sign on to when you buy. The developer initiates the Governing Documents, the board can add/modify them by vote. It's the board who hires the property management if they have one. If you are talking about very small neighborhoods, its your fellow residents on the board. If you are unhappy, the residents can vote the board out.
@@CalienteDesign I live in a beautiful neighborhood with a very reasonable HOA - 600.00 a year solely run by a board of residents - no management company/corporation. All contracting is exclusively through the board. I've served on the board for a couple of years myself. We chose to put in the extra time sans bringing in an outside management firm strictly because of nightmare scenarios happening with some of the other neighborhoods in our city. Many of those neighborhoods are not even close to being as nice as ours, yet they're paying thousands of dollars a year, and every one of them have an outside management company supposedly taking care of things for them. Oh, they're taking care of things alright.
Never buy in an HOA. Even if the bylaws are ok when you buy, a board can change in a moment and can change the bylaws at a whim. Even to the point of basically silencing the home owner by making them unable to redress their issues with the board, like was done in this story.
Yeah we recently bought a house. We instantly skipped over any property with a HOA even if it was perfect for our needs. My Aunt currently lives in a HOA neighborhood and she's actually being sued for HOA payments or whatever. Chance she could lose her house if she doesn't pay. I find it insane.
When some old bitty measures people's lawns with a ruler, you're told you can't have a kiddie pool in your own backyard when it's 90°, & you can't plant certain things THAT'S HOA micro managing. NO thanks!!
This type of HOA is too much and completely corrupted. Is a way how the lawyer on the board makes extra funds. This is ridiculous. I hope this guy win.
When we were shopping for our house, our first rule was: No HOAs. it was difficult. Increasingly, nearly all new homes are covered by HOAs, and increasingly they're being weaponized by unscrupulous builders to generate residuals and funnel maintenance into their own private business concerns.
HOA community by-laws, cannot legally be changed unliterally by the HOA board, as described in this video. Changes must go for a vote before the community.
These fines are absurd. And if I’m reading his part of the Oregon Law (no, that isn’t random capitalization, it’s just what the Oregon legal code is called) correctly, this is almost certainly illegal. ‘ Sections 3 and 4, chapter 67, Oregon Laws 2021, provide: Sec. 3. Section 4 of this 2021 Act is added to and made a part of ORS 94.550 to 94.783. [2021 c.67 §3] Sec. 4. (1) On or before December 31, 2024, each homeowners association of a planned community first established before September 1, 2021, shall review the declaration and bylaws of the planned community and shall: (a) Amend each document as necessary to remove all restrictions against the use of the community or the lots not allowed under ORS 93.270 (2) as provided under section 25 of this 2023 Act [93.271]; or (b) Execute and record a certification that the homeowners association has reviewed the declaration and bylaws of the planned community and that the documents do not contain any restriction, rule or regulation against the use of the community or the lots by a person or group of persons because of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, marital status, *familial status, source of income,* disability or *the number of individuals, including family members, persons of close affinity or unrelated persons,* who are simultaneously occupying a dwelling unit within occupancy limits.’ I believe this to be a violation of every highlighted portion herein.
You are very intellegent. Now reach out too the Reporter in this piece and ask if; HE CAN MAKE BETTER USE OF IT thru Public viewing and pertainet chanel' accessable to him.
To the expenses of keeping up the community amenities like roads, lakes, ponds, gates, swimming pools, tennis courts, mailboxes and all the facilities' maintenance involved. To inspect the property and make sure that all residents are abiding by the governing documents including hiring security to make sure drunk partying residents don't harrass others, late night partiers get shut down, dogs barking 24/7 are shut down, homes aren't illegally leased to a biker gang for instance, your property is kept up and doesn't look like a fun house or a dump, that construction in and around your property is done professionally and legally, handles power outages, neighbor disputes, about a million and one things and that you don't paint your house pepto bismol pink. Read the Governing Documents!
@@CalienteDesign How convenient that so many of those things are so intangible. "Look, this rock protects me from tigers! What, you're asking for proof? Well, do you see any tigers attacking me?"
Unfortunately to some because a House is supposed to be an investment they feel that HOAs help keep neighborhoods looking "clean" and help keep the riffraff out. But it's clear that it's a double-edged sword.
@@ecobasetech4558 What many don't realize is there are already city ordinances and state laws that can cover most of those problems. When buying you have access to all the HOA records. When selling your home the buyer can see all those records too and a bad HOA is not difficult to spot. It can actually hurt your ability to sell. I definitely dodged some cannons by looking at decades of HOA records when buying a condo. Mine is needed though because we share roofs. It's unfortunate that the majority of HOA's really just amount to a few people on a power trip and it is very difficult to fight them or uproot them once that type gets on the board.
@@ecobasetech4558Give me the riffraff any day. At least I don't have to pay them to give me fines for my grass being a bit long. Unless it's the apocalypse and we're living in a commune, HOA's don't do a goddamn thing.
@@ecobasetech4558 The irony is that HOAs reduce home values rather than increase them. The stats bandied about by HOA property management companies are simply due to bigger houses being more likely to be built with HOAs to begin with.
Vote to dissolve the HOA. Hopefully, it will be unanimous. And take them to court to get the individuals to cease and desist, and have them imprisoned for harassment, fraud and racketeering!
Who do some of these HOA board members think they are? You're voted in there to keep up property values and keep neighborhoods safe...not to overstep into people's personal lives. And wtf is wrong with multi-family dwellings anyway? As long as the property is maintained and there are no safety violations, why is it anyone's business? I relocated and stay in the home of my elderly mother and her husband to help care for them. I better check our HOA rules before we get a surprise. SMH This power tripping is crazy and for what??
Well they're definitely defining things in the bylaws incorrectly. Like they seem to think habitation means walking into your garage... 🤦♀️ And multi-family literally means different families. Your parents are not a different family...
agree but it's so much more. once the guy can't pay the fees because they're too high, the hoa is working towards stealing his home. they will file judicial foreclosure and in a short period of time will be granted ownership of his home. then they can sell it to their friends for the amount the guy couldn't afford to pay. all done.
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I am a potential buyer. The moment I find out a home has an HOA, I immediately scratch it off my list.
Same. I lived in an HOA with my parents when I was still in high school. They made my parents' life hell when we had to leave for a family funeral. 5k for grass, dude. Insane.
Same here
Yup, why pay a mortgage and pay rent to the neighborhood Karen. They can foreclose your house too for unpaid fees.
I lived in a nice neighborhood in Bethany...my front lawn was controlled by the HOA and it flooded like a swing pool all the timethey came out and shrugged...every year same pool of water...they never did anything...my neighbor who is a an architect painted his house the same exact color without permission and got his house leaned on....NEVER AGIAIN HOA!
Depends on the HOA. Some are pretty cheap and low impact like mine and mainly act against people that diminish quality of life and property values - hoarders, overgrown weedy yards, tarps on leaky roofs, abandoned cars, nuisance behavior, etc. All the things I want an HOA to do to maintain my investment. And I don't care to live next to the kind of people that don't think rules apply to them even after agreeing to it.
Immediately outside my HOA are 2 houses that are absolutely trashed and look like hoarder houses in the middle of an otherwise decent neighborhood. Those neighbors have no recourse for help but an understaffed and unconcerned county government that moves at a snails pace and gives endless reprieves.
that HOA should be dissolved and its board members sent to prison
There maybe other options to explore….
The HOA rules are given to you when you buy the house. You don't have to buy it. The residents elect the board memebers who hire the HOA and approves their decisions in board meetings.
THEY CHANGED THE RULES. @@CalienteDesign
@allen480
Rather permanent options that these fascists should deeply FEAR.
@CalienteDesign
Are you just stupid???? These are rules that were NOT in place when the homes were purchased. You should watch the video before you make yourself look like a serious idiot.
When fines dramatically go up, it usually means someone(s) is dipping in the cookie jar.
Hmmm... never thought of that.
OF COURSE THEY ARE..
My thoughts exactly. An audit might be in order.
The HOAs are always run by Communist Authoritarian leftists.
A gang of them just got sent off to prison for that very thing. You're probably right.
RULE NUMBER 1: NEVER buy a house with an HOA.....NEVER
95% of people agree..others defrauded and stuck..
We had one on our culd-de-sac, but nobody wanted to attend meetings, so we all finally dissolved the HOA.
RULE NUMBER 2: Refer back to rule number 1
Sounds like communism k
Problem with that great rule is that almost all new houses being built are being built in new neighborhoods that the city governments then force the builders to establish an HOA to run these new neighborhoods, and charge the home owners fees to pay for the maintenance of all the streets, water pipes, sewers and sewage treatment, street signs and lights. And street markings, sidewalks, city owned bushes and trees.....so most people will be forced to live under an HOA's thumb since there are not enough used houses in older neighborhoods without HOAs being sold, to house everybody that realizes how horrible living under an HOA can be, much less the vast numbers of yet unenlightened people who eventually want to be homeowners someday!
HOA's need to be made illegal on a national level, disband all of them!
Indeed. Unconstitutional, period!
We can't even stop dems from bringing in illegals.
Supreme court said that this week as illegal..note not criminal...??? Litigate yourself bk?
They wont be. They offload alot of responsibility from the city. In all of these major cities that have suburbs exploding in size, would require more work from the city. It just won't happen.
@@IGottaSay nOPE.
Get a lawyer and sued the hell out of them. My HOA did the same thing to me. Took 2 years to get an improper lien off my home then I sold it and left! Never ever again will I ever buy in an HOA.
Just say no to any HOA.
and say YES to government.
lol
@@aslkdjfzxcv9779You saying yes to government everday
Very difficult to find a newer house these days without an HOA.
@@aslkdjfzxcv9779 yea cause citizens abusing citizens is better. No HOA here, and free as a bee.
@@bobloblaw7465you think you're free?
🤣😂😅🙃
Hoas need to be made illegal nation wide.
Faster and easier, just say 2-3 members can declare a need for a vote of confidence or impeachment. Stop anyone from driving shit like this and all it takes is one legal precedence.
there all dicks
The entire concept of HOA’s needs to be trashed.
It should be illegal because they offer zero value except to promote discrimination in neighborhoods. NIMBY people use them to keep out "unsavory types."
@oldsagejoe
So many jerks WANT HOAs that the country is covered up with them. NEVER buy into an HOA!
100%
OUTLAWED!
no one is forcing you to move in one, if people were decent neighbors they wouldn't be needed
Another reason why I HATE HOAs with a fiery, red hot, burning passion. I've lived in 2 in the past and will NEVER live in one again. When I was looking to buy a house, anything that showed up in a HOA was an automatic hell no. HOA is basically, you pay the mortgage, but someone else tells you how to live.
Never, ever buy a home with a HOA.
Not necessarily true. My HOA hasn't been heard from in 9 years. Not a peep.
sadly im already in one. good news is that the board has been fine for 25 yrs. i have served onv the board myself. i say elect good board members
@@Brian-pz3wh And that's exactly when retired teachers swoop in and take control of the board, and create situations such as this.
@@DanEBoyd That's a true story but doesn't have to be an inevitable one.
Where we used to live they got onto the BOD and closed down the HOA entirely.
Very true! However, I suggest doing research before tossing a prospective home purchase in a HOA.
We decided to purchase after reading the bylaws terms and conditions, liked what we saw as is...
and then realized the rules made it all but impossible to change the CC&Rs and bylaws... and no method to increase the dues.
So it's been a decade or two... no changes and never an increase in dues... Just a suggested increase...
Why was the board so afraid of losing that they changed the bylaws to keep them in place? This is evidence of not operating in good faith, and can be challenged.
Maybe they didn’t want the books looked at? Missing money?
Audit and an attorney.
One of the best choices I made in life was not moving into a HOA
HOA's are absolute Gangs.
They’re Nazis
HOAs themselves proclaim they add value by protecting home values. But I’ve now owned 7 homes in my life, and only one of them was in an HOA. I still haven’t seen any examples of neighborhoods in HOAs being any nicer than non HOA areas.
You might not hear a peep from the HOA for years. Just send in your dues and all is well. You just don't grumble if you think the dues are being spent incorrectly. You let sleeping dogs lay. Then one day, you get that letter in mail. Followed by more letters. The HOA environment can literally change over night. You didn't even see it coming. And then you actually read the bylaws for the first time in your life and realize you are literally screwed. Language in the bylaws were changed slowly to give the HOA complete authority over the community and your property. HOA's really have one purpose. To maintain the property value within the community. But when the HOA power gets abused, there is little you can do to stop it.
@@superdave8248 Exactly! These Board Members are bored nasty Residents who ride around in their golf carts looking for violations. They’re rotten to the core.
Bingo..crapers looters and devaluers..debtors writing rules makes ownership not of value turning owning into renting .
I am president of an h.o.a. And cant imagine why that association has not been taken to court over this.
Ex-president here. And I agree with you 100%. Their covenants should have rules on what is necessary to change something within the covenants. And those rule changes almost always require a vote of the residents of the HOA. Sounds like a rogue board, and a president with a hidden agenda who is lying to people in the neighborhood. Most residents don't know what the covenants say, and don't have a copy.
Because HOA has attorneys, homeowners need to pay very expensive litigation fee out of their pocket.
@hollyyeh1591 and then they have to pay for the HOAs legal costs also. It's an expensive thing to do.
So by just standing in his garage, he is violating the rules.
Sounds like just by opening the hood to check the oil you can get fined. ;(
Washing your Car, banned $✔️
Standing in the garage a penalty😩
Make love in the garage and your garage is a brothel
Guess soon they can ban breathing too loud.
When he said it was humiliating, that hit home for me. If you live in an HOA, it’s like you don’t even own your own home that you worked hard for. You can’t do anything without their approval. It’s ridiculous. Unless the HOA board is making your mortgage payment, they can go pound sand. HOA board members also have personal legal protection. Remove the legal protection of overzealous board members and they’ll act much differently I think.
Buying a house in an HOA is buying a house for someone else
I wouldn't pay a single penny of those fines. I'd make them prove EVERY SINGLE ONE in civil court.
That is the usual advice. When you sue--make sure you sue each board director individually as well. And sue in Superior Court not small claims.
The State needs to refuse to lend enforcement to this craziness. No State? no fines, liens, or HOA. It's long past time we had a national conversation about abusive "contracts".
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We’ve lived in a HOA condo for three years in Hawaii. Happy to say we’ve moved out January 25 and purchased a home. Our main criteria was NO HOA. We found few houses that were more favorable and cheaper but they were in a HOA complex. Didn’t even go look at it. Made the mistake once , not again.
This is ridiculous. That poor man. They wanted to make him so miserable that he would sell and leave. The HOA President probably has friends who they tell that they want to move into the area. It’s purposeful.
not make him miserable enough to leave. they're in the process of stealing his home. they don't care if he leaves or not. because if he doesn't pay all his hoa fees and late charges, within a certain period of time. they can legally file a judicial foreclosure (and it's quick none of that year long back n forth to court) it's quick, gets filed, and they take ownership of his home. Next they can sell it to their friends for whatever the hoa fees are. and it's game over.
This is how rich people take over
@@tempgirl00711exactly and they use his money to pay lawyers to fight his lawyers..forever..
A criminal enterprise...
@@tempgirl00711likely screw up the paperwork to harrass him also. And mail .ect..and misinform him and then litigate him into poverty ala trump ...business methods and now retributions?
Wow! This made me grateful for the good people that serve our HOA and terrified of the thought that this could happen to me!
I will live in a shack in the woods before I ever live somewhere with an HOA.
I do.
I'm a board member of the Shack-in-the-Woods HOA, and we'd like to talk to you about the lack of 3" purple and blue annuals in your non-existent windows boxes...
That is a violation of rule 103^2.456, and as a result, you are being fined $26,000 per every 8 minutes it is not addressed.
Note: This notice was crafted by the legal team for Shack-in-the-Woods HOA, and the cost to you for this notification is $10,000.
@@desiv1170 - Hey board member - take your notice and stuff it - 😄😄😄😄
@@edwinlipton - I live outside of the town I live in in Eastern Oregon on small acreage. It’s almost the woods.
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Eventually, everyone learns the hard way that HOAs are not your friends. Buy an older house in an established neighborhood and save yourself the headaches.
To each their own. Established neighborhoods means you are subject to junk cars, boats or RVs on the street, people who don’t keep up their landscaping, people using loud tools in their garages late at night etc. We moved from an established older neighborhood to an HOA because we got tired of dealing with every one of those problems. I’ll gladly trade my freedom to choose any old paint color over someone else’s eyesore. We’ve been here 10 years without a complaint. The people on the board in this story sound crazy and should be sued.
@@ronswansonsdog2833 Literally none of those things are worse than what you risk dealing with in an HOA. You can't get foreclosed upon by "junk cars". Why do you even care what color your neighbor's house is painted?
We have sold our home and moving to another. Our search criteria contained an unquestionable rule. NO HOA.
Same. Not worth the hassle and living near busy-bodies and curtain peepers.
When I see home listings say "Home Owners Association Features" it really should read as Detriments instead. Also I haven't been able to find a good way of searching homes without an HOA.
@@DefinitelyNotRin Here in Texas most real estate search engines have a “no HOA” filter.
This is straight up discrimination......👈💯😎
What good does it do to read the bylaws or know who is on the board if the bylaws can be changed on a whim to suit the board members or if you have no say on who replaces board members? Wasn't it said in the beginning that this family had lived in the neighborhood for 15 years without ANY issues? Then this "new" board president or whatever comes in and changes everything make the lives of the residents miserable. Isn't this a form of extortion? Why aren't there at least state guidelines/restrictions on what an HOA can do. We have laws pertaining to Renters Landlords, why not have laws that protect people from being taken advantage of in these HOA areas?
Likely they were not legally changed!
Agree fully. It is ORGANISED CRIME! Punishable under the U.S. statute R.I.C.O act.
This sort of corruption will add to FORCED HOME LESS NESS and loss of income.
@@david2altos Right! Changing by-laws requires notification. They can't just change them on a whim.
By laws should only be changable by majority vote entire HOA you look for such when you read by laws not the current rules the boring how the board runs stuff
The point is that properly written bylaws should define the process needed to ammend the bylaws, so you should make sure the board doesn't have the power to unilaterally change the rules. That's why, if you're going to buy in an HOA that you include an HOA review contingency in your offer and you actually follow through and review it to your satisfaction, which likely means spending the money to have an attorney go over it with you. It's not worth saving hundreds of dollars if it could cost you tens of thousands later.
If the head of the HOA's lawn is "ruined and made brown" with pesticides one night - when does he have to pay the fine and how long does he have to get the entire lawn replaced?
I'd find out.
REALLY.
With 33 homes and a 3 person board, 90% quorum would basically require everyone who is NOT in the board to agree.
Aside from all the other illegal fraud, are they allowed to change rules without some sort of majority vote? Like they can just make up whatever they want?
But they did send in the which about an extra meeting before they changed the rues and therefor there schould be a meeting by the old rules...... PERIOD.
@@rvarsigfusson6163new rules new buyers..?
Makes you wonder what law firm they are affiliated with ?
I do feel for this people because I`m in a look a like situation with my community. The board is in charge what so ever ..... and I do thing they are getting a friend of a friend to do jobs and not having some firms making an offer to do the job....... at least the board got furious at me when I did ask for info on a case and I did not get it.... n way in this life.
I've bought TWO houses....NEITHER was in an HOA!!!!🥰🥰🥰🥰
Disband this HOA. Never buy a house in an HOA.
You can't disband this HOA, they altered the rules.
@@danamoore1788Sure you can. Just get together and say no.
@@WebDesignSocal Problem is, a lot of times, they can put a lien on your house, constantly add fees to it, and if you don't pay, they can auction your house to pay the fees. I saw another story where they did that to someone because they "missed" their $150 HOA fee. The HOA tried to auction it for $19k. Luckily they were able to work things out, but still the HOA extorted them for $3500 to get their own house back. Apparently you agree to this BS as part of buying the house in the first place. Like they said in the story, they have almost no oversight and since it's not considered criminal, it's hard to fight.
It is called DISSOLUTION and is easy to do.
By this logic you cannot actually go into the garage to get into the car because that would require habitation of the garage while doing so. Of course you also cannot park the car in the driveway either.
HOA's are mostly run by a bunch of Karen's and Darren's that cannot mind their own damn business. There is no way in hell I would ever live in a place that has an HOA.
You mean white people.
Nope, most are run by professional property management companies which are hired by the resident board members to enforce the Governing Documents prepared by the developer at the inception of the development.
@@CalienteDesign As directed by the wannabe Judge Dredds on the board, yes. Adding more layers doesn't fool anyone.
Appointments in your pockets to loot and thieve ..disband and take the devaluation that way and maintain non thieved ownership..
You reversed the NUMBER on HOA homes, 84% of all home sold in America are not in an HOA...that's absurd. I Live in Massachusetts, HOA's are almost unknown here and in NH, ME, and Vermontit's even less. The STAT is ONY for new Subdivisions...
I thought they said 84% of NEW homes.
The home owner needs to start a go fund me and then file a lawsuit. The HOA and the president of the HOA is going to get destroyed in a jury trial.
Resident vs HOA? We don't need to hear any more, your Honor. We're ready to vote.
Good luck with all the corrupt judges.
he should do that after he files chap 13 to protect his home. because the HOA is def going to take his house from him if he's not careful.
These homeowners signed a legal and binding document stating they will abide by all HOA rules. They don't have a leg to stand on in court.
@@morrismonet3554you’ve seen the hoa rules the homeowner signed?
Outrageous!! Sue the HOA board!!
This HOA is out of control. The homeowners should sue the board members for harassment and abuse of authority. Better to pay lawyers than cave in and pay ludicrous fines.
Vote to completely disband the HOAs and don not give them any power. Then sue the individuals for civil and criminal exploitation harassment fraud and racketteering.
It sounds absurd to allow two board members to change the bi-laws making it practically impossible to remove them.
Theft
HOAs are awful. There’s a reason we bought a home without an HOA.
Send the corrupt board members to jail. They have been harassing people for too long and it’s unacceptable!
The likelihood is that the board was not authorized to change the Bylaws of the Association without a vote of the full membership. The story muddles some of the details of the HOA structure. The changing of bylaws so as to head off an active move to vote out the board members is likely not compliant. All the properties are only subject to the HOA due to CC&R's recorded on the property. Yeah, for sure, it makes sense to contact a lawyer. Contacting a lawyer does not mean only that a lawsuit would be filed. Advice could reveal the limits of the boards authority. For inapplicable fines, the owner could take the HOA to small claim's court as many times as necessary to void all the fines and stay under the small claims limit. That small court could interpret the rules more correctly. If the directors are acting illegally so as to cause harm to other owners then the directors themselves could be individually liable for their actions and prejudices. Among other things the federal fair housing act would likely prohibit the HOA from forbidding residence of multiple generations.
I was looking for a comment like this. As you point out, since the news reporter didn't review the HOA CC&Rs a homeowner will need to speak with a lawyer.
I'd also say that the request was made and received before the rule change was issued, thus is grandfathered in before it can take effect.
Agree. and in the meantime he needs to file chap 13 to protect this home ownership. right now they're working towards stealing his home from him and selling it to one of their friends for the balance of his overdue hoa fees.
We are having similar issues with our condos here in Bend.
Yes, there are parts of the complaint here that seem very fishy. I was an inspector and lots of folks have their parent's living with them no problem. Two sides to every story.
Good reporting! Thank you!
I will never live in an HOA. That was my non-negotiable requirement when buying my house. I would rather live in a ghetto than a hoity-toity HOA.
And for those that say their HOA is easy going...that could change. For those that say it's nearly impossible to find a house without an HOA....Total BS. These entities are evil.
If enough people refuse to buy HOA The price of HOA homes will tank, and they will be forced to address it. Either by expanding HOA or putting consumer protections in place so they can't be taken advantage of.
@@jessicaolson490 They homeowners could also just as easily vote to dissolve the HOA.
@@MessyPointedBlobyes they can vote. In this guy case, 90 percent of homeowners would need to come together to vote. How many of those will not due to retaliation? My HOA called a meeting to vote, when homeowners showed up to vote, there was no voting, they didn't even addressed it. The problem is that the BOARD MEMBERS feels invincible because there is no accountability.
Last meeting there was talk of a 20 year back director shooting.. ? Oddly? Deserved? 175,000$...
YES EXACTLY!!! I cannot tell you how many people I have run across over the years that have said, that they "love HOA's" and "My HOA is great they would never do anything like this" I bet you this guy they are interviewing was in fact one of those people too. People never get it through their thick skulls that an HOA can changed in an instant going from a supposed utopia to hell. It continually blows my mind how much people love HOA's! I swear they have to be communists at heart or something.
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If you buy a home make sure it's not in an HOA.
Martin Anderson is a crook.
And, a Communist!
@@tularockstarThat’s more like a capitalist
He should be arrested and shipped off to Russia.
and Maarof Sadiq was absent??
You mean China, right? Russia is no longer considered a communistic society.
China is most definitely a communist country.
Time for a judiciary to issue a judgement!!!!
Hire a private investigator gather everything you can on HOA administrators...trust me when I say there is plenty of dirt to be found!
Ran a real estate company in Oregon for 20 years. Property management and HOAs create more financial crimes on a daily basis than most realize. Oregon does a lousy job, almost non existent, of auditing these groups. Seems intentional to me.
Let me see, a house cost $100000. You get someone to buy it then start fines for walking on their front walk and calling that 'habitation'. Or not using approved grass means they have an improper lawn. Now for writing a few notes, you put a lien on a house. Take it from the owner and resell it.
Rinse, repeat.
Sounds like near infinite money.
Thank you for that information!
I sold real estate too in Oregon for many years and wondered why people would even think about buying a home where other people are in control of what you do or don't do. I knew people in Bend who bought a home in an HOA where the prices started at $500,000. and up. They were told how many visitors they could have at a time. How many cars could be parked in front of the house at a time. The garage door had to be closed by 5pm, etc. I was shocked that people bought into that. Mobile home parks and condos are just as bad. You pay all of that money for a home, just to have people make you feel like you are a prisoner and now trapped.
@@danamoore1788 You'd be extremely lucky to find a home for $100,000. that was even livable. These homes are high priced to begin with and then the HOA fee on top of it. I think they should ban HOA's. They sound good in the beginning and falsely makes people feel like they will be safe, and their investment protected but in reality, I think it is just the opposite. You have made yourself a prisoner in your own home and have no control over it.
HOA SHOULD BE DISBANDED.
Since when is being in the garage considered “habitation”? Habitation is where you live. They are trying to make the definition of habitation be “somewhere where you happen to be while you are alive”. I don’t know where this is but in my state there is oversight for HOAs.
Essentially, they are trying to stretch habitation. The CC&Rs probably say something about not living in a garage and that a garage is only for parking.
This IS A HUGE PROBLEM! It infects every city in every state. When I first moved into my neighborhood I signed a contract for $850 a month. The area came with a full time security guard, an office with a staff member that dealt with homeowner issues and shipping, a large gate at the front and each home has its own gate that the hoa is responsible for. We have lost the security guard, the office, and the organization took over a year to fix a gate.. since then we’ve had to fix it ourselves because we don’t want the drama anymore. Given that we’ve lost 2 full time employees we should be paying less for hoa. We’ve gone to the meetings.. everyone has complained.. nothing has changed. We overpay.. and we are stuck in it.
You accepted the HOA as it was when you moved in ! Any changes should have raised a red flag the your $850 was being embezzled by the board members. Go to the police with the numbers ... or a lawyer who handles financial crimes. ~~~ Could get your money back.
So the tenet works on his car in the driveway, get fined.
Tenet then works on car in the garage, USED FOR HABITATION $300 FINE.
Bro the that point entering your garage is habitation. This is ridiculous
That letter about "working on a car in the garage equals habitation in the garage" seems like the sort of smoking gun to have the HOA arrested. They could have at least worded it differently and said "garages are for parking and storage only, projects such as assembly, wood working, auto repair, etc... are prohibited." And surely changing bylaws without any voting is straight up illegal.
And forcing "rules" by vote isnt that like covid vaxx poison..no thanks???
Without HOAs you get people renting out their homes as transient public housing that could possibly lead to unsafe and unstable neighborhoods...That's not necessarily what folks who purchased their homes to stay and raise families in, or retire to want...You also get more people creating businesses out of their homes such as childcare, mechanics, woodworking, or even air b&bs, which can create commercial business areas with too much traffic, and strangers in and out of what was meant to be a residential area of homeowners and families...HOAs lawyers can help protect property values, and that's a good thing for folks who make it home💖
The only reason people are buying into HOAs now is because that’s all that is being built. The developers won’t make single family homes anymore because they can make more money selling the homes they build to a corporation that institutes an HOA.
It’s complete and utter bull hockey!
Then don't buy ‼️ A lost of 💰 in the economy will force the local, state& federal government to pass laws regulating hoas 🙏
I live in Central, FL, rapid development going on all around me and the entire county. These new homes are much bigger than mine. There is still no HOA thankfully. It's the same builder transforming the neighborhood. I fear they will try to institute an HOA. I know you can't be forced to join but they can still harass you. I've seen videos of home owners being harass that are not part of an HOA.
Yes, people want to live where there's safe, clean neighborhoods, and unfortunately, most of America is not like that.
@@CalienteDesign Every neighborhood I've lived in has always been nice, well kept and safe. Most people take pride in their homes, I do. I don't need little "Gestapo" minded groups of people telling me how!!!!
caught on my property and the 2nd amendment will come into play!!!@@zsigzsag
Our HOA did the same they charged me $16,000 because I did not get permission to cutting down the trees, in fact, I did submit trees pictures to manager 9/15/2021 but did not hear anything from the Board for 3 months. On 9/20/2021 I received HOA letter saying that move trees no need to file to board . Then we going to meeting but HOA changed us $16,000 I hire 3 lawyer totally $8000 , finally, settle down $paid HOA $ 2,5000. I believe it is best way to file lawsuit to against HOA .
Someone needs to teach Martin Anderson a lesson.
What are they doing with the money??
It should be noted, your story says 84% of new homes are in HOA's. This seems to imply that most people want them. This isn't true. In many areas, local government REQUIRE builders to establish HOA's. This is to remove the burden of code enforcement from the government.
Agreed. It is becoming difficult to find a house NOT in an HOA.
And being rid of government leaves hoas..
Debtor neighbors force owners to comply with bank toadies and thieves..and control 50 year non debt owned lands making them worthless . Property owners were once the only allowed voters. Hoa is crap..
HOA's under the pretext of maintaining property value, have imposed unacceptable rules on some of the participants. The president of my association had Canadian geese trapped and slaughtered, for a fee, with the help of the USDA. Many of us loved these birds and were feeding them. It was devastating to find out, they had been murdered. The president of the association also decided to change the entrance landscaping and charge the HOA over 100K to tear down what we had, which was fine , but replace it by something that later, died in the frost. I expect he made a deal with that landscaping Cie, we had never heard of, before. He very likely scammed us, to profit from the deal. He was not re-elected but he hangs around, likely waiting for a chance to exercise his fraudulent and unethical behavior. Yes, indeed HOA's should be banned. We do not want them ! They pretend to be philanthropic but instead, they are thieves, who steal, at any importunity, money in their pocket when no one is investigating. Disgusting and stressful.
My HOA told me any request to build anything on my property, patio cover, gazebo, etc. would be rejected. They have rejected all my requests. The discrimination is rampant.
All HOA's ask that you submit a plan of what you are going to do to make sure you aren't impeding on the rights of your fellow homeowners or building a sub standard "shanty". No, you can't build barn in you backyard or block your neighbor's view. The architectural requirements are in the Governing Documents. Once you submit a plan within the guidelines, then it will be approved with a timeline you submit, as no neighbor wants to listen to construction for year while you get it happening or drive over your nails in the street. That's what keep the neighborhood looking good.
Vote to disband the HOA.
@@CalienteDesign ...And then the HOA denies it anyway, because if they make it exhausting enough to fight them they win by default.
@CalienteDesign You must be the president of an HOA the way you're up and down the comments defending everything they do. You are obviously biased...no one is listening to you.
property ownership is a human right. HOA's are in direct contradiction to that principle. The most important thing we own in this life is ourselves, and by extension what we produce with our time and labor, which includes our most prized physical possession... our home. It belongs to us, and no one else. That is a moral principal that has sadly been forgotten and/or has been twisted into something it is not. We have the right to do as we wish with what is ours, and we owe no one anything (especially money or explanation) when they don't like that fact and want us to do something with our property that 'they' want us to do. It does not belong to them. Period.
Will you please release the names and pictures of the HOA board members? I feel like people don’t even know what they look like.
It’s on the video. 2 of them
Can you imagine if a newcomer with Cartel connections were to buy and the hoa started this crap? I foresee re-enactments of the "Tortuga" episode of Breaking Bad. "We don't know where Pam & Karen went, no one's seen them for a week...."
Rule #1 Don’t buy a home in a HOA!
Can't do woodworking or work on a vehicle?? What's the point of having a garage then??
Parking and storage only. If you stop for one moment in your garage to look at your car right after a car wash and smile, that is not storage, therefore it is habitation, you owe $1000.
@@TryHardNewsletterLol, that’s ridiculous.
Having never personally dealt with any HOAs, can anyone educate me about what happens if a person is fined, but never pays? Also, are there legal steps homeowners can take to remove HOAs? I'm quite curious how a small group of individuals manages to acquire power over people who own their homes.. and in reference to this story, someone should seriously educate the HOA board members that someone UTILIZING their garage to work on something, does NOT mean that it is being used for "habitation", because the definition of habitation means to "live in", not to work in occasionally.. lol..
Lay down with NIMBY dogs, get HOA fleas.
I saw how much control an HOA had when I was in my 20's and even now at 40. I'll never buy a home in an HOA.
Know the people on your board, but more importantly, know those behind the HOA board. You might be surprised to discover they are not members of the neighborhood, but a corporation. Sometimes these corporations are subsidiary entities of foreign investment firms. It's one of the latest and greatest scams going on in the US these days.
They are called Property Managers here in Minnesota and they do all the spying, fining and harassing.
Gassen Management is one example…evil entity..
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@@0004612 Disgusting is an understatement regarding YT my friend. Notice - "YT", not the actual name. I rest your case.
Board members are always residents. There is an election every year. Their job is to enforce the Governing Documents you sign on to when you buy. The developer initiates the Governing Documents, the board can add/modify them by vote. It's the board who hires the property management if they have one. If you are talking about very small neighborhoods, its your fellow residents on the board. If you are unhappy, the residents can vote the board out.
@@CalienteDesign I live in a beautiful neighborhood with a very reasonable HOA - 600.00 a year solely run by a board of residents - no management company/corporation. All contracting is exclusively through the board. I've served on the board for a couple of years myself. We chose to put in the extra time sans bringing in an outside management firm strictly because of nightmare scenarios happening with some of the other neighborhoods in our city. Many of those neighborhoods are not even close to being as nice as ours, yet they're paying thousands of dollars a year, and every one of them have an outside management company supposedly taking care of things for them. Oh, they're taking care of things alright.
What kind of HOA members are seated here? This is the first time I heard that HOA has a right to question who’s who is living in your own house.
Never buy in an HOA. Even if the bylaws are ok when you buy, a board can change in a moment and can change the bylaws at a whim. Even to the point of basically silencing the home owner by making them unable to redress their issues with the board, like was done in this story.
Yeah we recently bought a house. We instantly skipped over any property with a HOA even if it was perfect for our needs. My Aunt currently lives in a HOA neighborhood and she's actually being sued for HOA payments or whatever. Chance she could lose her house if she doesn't pay. I find it insane.
When some old bitty measures people's lawns with a ruler, you're told you can't have a kiddie pool in your own backyard when it's 90°, & you can't plant certain things THAT'S HOA micro managing. NO thanks!!
Sure seems to follow a common pattern of extortion. State AG office ought to be involved.
This type of HOA is too much and completely corrupted. Is a way how the lawyer on the board makes extra funds. This is ridiculous. I hope this guy win.
Proofread before you send, utube alters your words.
When we were shopping for our house, our first rule was: No HOAs. it was difficult. Increasingly, nearly all new homes are covered by HOAs, and increasingly they're being weaponized by unscrupulous builders to generate residuals and funnel maintenance into their own private business concerns.
I wonder how something like this would have been resolved back in the day... Vinnie and Rocco might pay a little visit to discuss that thing 😅
And go to jail
HOA community by-laws, cannot legally be changed unliterally by the HOA board, as described in this video. Changes must go for a vote before the community.
Just remember people pushed too far will snap....
Is it snapping if the action is justified?
Yeah and this new president is pushing a lot of buttons.
Not anymore, they just post mean tweets and complain to anyone willing to listen. Snapping would require doing something
Snap away we always had a couple sheriff's on the board a phone call away
Honestly, a jury should aquit if such snapping occur.
Class action lawsuit towards HOAs? Sounds like someone should come up with an HOA rating app.
These fines are absurd. And if I’m reading his part of the Oregon Law (no, that isn’t random capitalization, it’s just what the Oregon legal code is called) correctly, this is almost certainly illegal.
‘ Sections 3 and 4, chapter 67, Oregon Laws 2021, provide:
Sec. 3. Section 4 of this 2021 Act is added to and made a part of ORS 94.550 to 94.783. [2021 c.67 §3]
Sec. 4. (1) On or before December 31, 2024, each homeowners association of a planned community first established before September 1, 2021, shall review the declaration and bylaws of the planned community and shall:
(a) Amend each document as necessary to remove all restrictions against the use of the community or the lots not allowed under ORS 93.270 (2) as provided under section 25 of this 2023 Act [93.271]; or
(b) Execute and record a certification that the homeowners association has reviewed the declaration and bylaws of the planned community and that the documents do not contain any restriction, rule or regulation against the use of the community or the lots by a person or group of persons because of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, marital status, *familial status, source of income,* disability or *the number of individuals, including family members, persons of close affinity or unrelated persons,* who are simultaneously occupying a dwelling unit within occupancy limits.’
I believe this to be a violation of every highlighted portion herein.
Send this to the reporter and have him forward to the homeowners.
You are very intellegent. Now reach out too the Reporter in this piece and ask if; HE CAN MAKE BETTER USE OF IT thru Public viewing and pertainet chanel' accessable to him.
So he could just claim to be a car-sexual and habitate in that garage all day and all night. Good work!
You do not own your house in a hoa.
Where does the money for the hoa go ?
The President’s pet projects.
They likely have two sets of books…like the mafia
To the expenses of keeping up the community amenities like roads, lakes, ponds, gates, swimming pools, tennis courts, mailboxes and all the facilities' maintenance involved. To inspect the property and make sure that all residents are abiding by the governing documents including hiring security to make sure drunk partying residents don't harrass others, late night partiers get shut down, dogs barking 24/7 are shut down, homes aren't illegally leased to a biker gang for instance, your property is kept up and doesn't look like a fun house or a dump, that construction in and around your property is done professionally and legally, handles power outages, neighbor disputes, about a million and one things and that you don't paint your house pepto bismol pink. Read the Governing Documents!
@@CalienteDesign How convenient that so many of those things are so intangible. "Look, this rock protects me from tigers! What, you're asking for proof? Well, do you see any tigers attacking me?"
Will never own a home with an HOA!!!
They did this interview in the garage which requires habitatation. He will be fined.
All HOAs need to be owned by the members of the houses, not some external company in Chicago.
Are you fucking kidding me?
😂 America
NEVER sign an open ended contract nor ANY adhesion contracts.
HOA's are BOTH.
This is so ridiculous, HOA is all about money!!!
That and power for the low-character individuals who seem to be drawn to HOA positions because of the opportunity to control others...
The money you pay them.
If my neighbor doesn't have at least one truck up on blocks, then I am suspicious of just what type of weirdo's I'm living next to.
Now that's gross
not funny.
Houses (no shared walls or roof) in an H.O.A. make me laugh. Just say no.
Unfortunately to some because a House is supposed to be an investment they feel that HOAs help keep neighborhoods looking "clean" and help keep the riffraff out. But it's clear that it's a double-edged sword.
@@ecobasetech4558 What many don't realize is there are already city ordinances and state laws that can cover most of those problems.
When buying you have access to all the HOA records. When selling your home the buyer can see all those records too and a bad HOA is not difficult to spot. It can actually hurt your ability to sell.
I definitely dodged some cannons by looking at decades of HOA records when buying a condo. Mine is needed though because we share roofs.
It's unfortunate that the majority of HOA's really just amount to a few people on a power trip and it is very difficult to fight them or uproot them once that type gets on the board.
@@ecobasetech4558Give me the riffraff any day. At least I don't have to pay them to give me fines for my grass being a bit long. Unless it's the apocalypse and we're living in a commune, HOA's don't do a goddamn thing.
@@ecobasetech4558 The irony is that HOAs reduce home values rather than increase them. The stats bandied about by HOA property management companies are simply due to bigger houses being more likely to be built with HOAs to begin with.
Vote to dissolve the HOA. Hopefully, it will be unanimous. And take them to court to get the individuals to cease and desist, and have them imprisoned for harassment, fraud and racketeering!
Who do some of these HOA board members think they are? You're voted in there to keep up property values and keep neighborhoods safe...not to overstep into people's personal lives. And wtf is wrong with multi-family dwellings anyway? As long as the property is maintained and there are no safety violations, why is it anyone's business? I relocated and stay in the home of my elderly mother and her husband to help care for them. I better check our HOA rules before we get a surprise. SMH This power tripping is crazy and for what??
The same M O over and over. Money and Power over the People...
Well they're definitely defining things in the bylaws incorrectly. Like they seem to think habitation means walking into your garage... 🤦♀️ And multi-family literally means different families. Your parents are not a different family...
Time to call for an audit of the HOA.
HOA's and the egos & personalities that flock to the boards. Scary.
Police happen to be narcissistic sociopaths
Exactly..
NEVER BUY A HOUSE IN A HOA
Sue the HOA.
Arent HOA boards 0:24 voted in? Do they stay in for 1yr, 4yrs? Residents have no 2:30 say so?
The more I hear about HOA’s, the crappier they seem. They seem to take joy in exercising parental authority over their membership.
agree but it's so much more. once the guy can't pay the fees because they're too high, the hoa is working towards stealing his home. they will file judicial foreclosure and in a short period of time will be granted ownership of his home. then they can sell it to their friends for the amount the guy couldn't afford to pay. all done.
@@tempgirl00711the Supreme Court said that is illegal this week..but? Not criminal?? But true and daily bothersome..as it is a criminal enterprise???
Conspiracy?
Violation of privacy..=hoa...
When your HOA becomes the gestapo.
Sooner or later.
Never ever live in an HOA.
Sooner or later you will be free ..
This IS completely INSANE!!!