There seems to always be some confusion about the output routing, and what is doing what on the X32 and M32. Which ends up causing problems for things like monitor / IEM feeds... A lot of it relates to signal flow understanding, and a lot of the problem isn't that people don't understand what it needs to be as much as they don't understand 'how' to get there. Or think a setting is doing something it's not. So, that's the point of this 'Explainer' video. There are other videos on the channel that get more into the weeds, and explain other parts of setting up monitors or FX, but the goal of this video is to stick to the basics and answer the often asked output routing questions on the forums. And try and keep the pacing a bit slower and stick to the core routing issues. And this also should help someone coming over from analog to begin to relate some of these digital console routing concepts. I did a similar video for the XR18 that has been popular. Leave any comments or questions below. Feel free to share the link. 🎶🔊 Links 🎤Sweetwater Affiliate Links: Behringer X32 on Sweetwater: sweetwater.sjv.io/DK05Jy Midas M32 on Sweetwater: sweetwater.sjv.io/xkEBRk Midas M32R and other digital mixers on Sweetwater: sweetwater.sjv.io/xkKQkR Behringer X32 Rack and other digital mixers on Sweetwater: sweetwater.sjv.io/PyQ4yN Amazon Affiliate Links- 🎶🔊Channel Amazon Storefront: www.amazon.com/shop/alanhamiltonaudio ✨Items Used to Make This Video- FDUCE SL40 Vocal Dynamic Podcast Microphone on Amazon: amzn.to/408xlf3 Sony ZV1 Camera on Amazon: amzn.to/3z9MHny Canon M50 MkII Camera on Amazon: amzn.to/3z6c8X5 “As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.” "I earn from affiliate link purchases" Items purchased thru affiliate links come at no additional cost to viewers, but these purchases can earn the channel commissions. 🎚✨ Support via Patreon: Patreon Page where there are live production PDF tutorials available for download for 4.00 Patrons. Behringer/Midas X/M32 scene and channel files, XR18 channel and scene files available for 10.00 Patrons. Plus video scripts, photos, and behind the scenes video snippets. www.patreon.com/notifications 🚀Channel Facebook Page: facebook.com/groups/livesoundproduction ====Other channel videos: Soundcheck in Action- ruclips.net/video/k2wgnPQI_is/видео.html A Soundman's Day - Mixing the Band: ruclips.net/video/iCzNO4lCyAs/видео.html 5 Tips for Mixing Live Vocals: ruclips.net/video/oP4sdpkkNhY/видео.html
This really helped me. I was questioning myself and everything; I even thought it was a factory failure. But now I have a better understanding of this option. thank you
I always wondered why the mix bus main fader wasn't affect my volume and yet I had set my Tap Point to be Pre-Fader... Now am gonna put it back to Post-Fader... Thanks alot Hamilton 😊
A useful video as always. A bone to pick if I may: In a couple of places you said Channel when you should have said Bus, then later mentioned interchangeability of these terms. I disagree - both should be used to mean one thing only, to prevent mistakes.
It was "channel send" versus "bus send" when talking about the channel itself and the ability to have monitor sends, FX sends, etc. there on any channel... All to keep things mentally separate from the bus output routing. In X-Edit that page is even just called "SENDS". And on the actual console in the GUI it's just the "SENDS" tab as well. So you are in the channel's sends page when you are working there on that side of things. Of course on the console knobs it's the "Bus Sends" section for the physical knobs... But with sends on fader, you're not really using those anyway. And once the idea of channel sends and bus sends being the same term anyway within the context of a selected channel... where they can then be channel monitor sends, channel FX sends, channel stream send, etc... then it's a much easier way to keep things straight mentally about what is where. Especially when there's the hurdle of addressing people changing the bus OUTPUTS to be pre fader and thinking that's what they're supposed to do for monitor mixes from FOH. It's a simple way to clear that confusion and it's not inaccurate either. So I wanted to drive home the point that channel sends and bus sends are the same overall terms when working within the channels... and that using the term channel sends just gives a better mental picture of where you are working within the signal chain of the console. I don't think I ever slipped up and called an output a channel send. I'd have to check the transcript.
Great tutorial Alan, ive got my X32 full board set where i want it to be, im also using the center channel for subs & im also using an SD16 My band also uses 4 P16-M's, & im also recording into Reaper & the play back & simulated sound check all work flawlessly, but it certainly wasnt easy to get it all to this point, especially coming from analog, tho i did start with an XR18 for a couple months before i moved up to the X32 But its always routing routing routing that gets tripped up & im perfectly aware of the SOF button, & your right, it makes it easy Very happy to be a subscriber & for the help you've given me in the past 😊
@@KENNETHCOOPER55 I tried to sprinkle in Mixing Station and X-Edit, along with working on the surface of the console, in this video. It's more time consuming doing everything twice, or three times sometimes, especially when a lot of it I only need to keep small pieces of it for the final video (but I still have to start the software from scratch for each segment of it that I record). But I thought it was important for a video like this.
Thanks for the video. I am about 3 months in to using an m32 at my church. I recently set up DCA groups for vocals and band to control them all together. I believe I have both channel sends and bus sends set to input. So none of the faders should affect the bus signal. When I adjust the DCA fader, I am told that the IEM mixes are affected by it. Everything i am seeing, DCAs should not affect mix bus but i am assuming i have messed up routing somehow. Any suggestions?
It's possible to have a bus master(s) itself assigned to a DCA. So that's the first thing I'd check. Example: Let's say you have vocals on DCA1. Make sure any monitor masters (AKA bus outputs) aren't also assigned to DCA1. Or for that matter, not assigned to any DCAs unless you have some non-typical but otherwise intended reason for doing so. Otherwise, I'd also doublecheck every channel to make sure you aren't feeding any of the monitors from any channel Post Fader. Nor using a subgroup when you meant to use a pre-fader send. If you accidentally have a vocal monitor send on a channel or channels as a subgroup, that would definitely be controlled by a DCA. If by "bus sends" you mean the bus master outputs, you should have those on Post Fader. But that shouldn't be the reason for your DCA problem. And for the channel sends/monitor sends on each channel, while "Input" IS Pre-Fader, it's probably 'too' pre-fader to be best and I'd change that to Pre-EQ. But that shouldn't be your DCA problem either. And wouldn't even be all that much of an issue anyway... but tapping a channel monitor send as far back in the channel as "Input" is not typical.
At the beginning of your tutorial, you mentioned that the assignments on the Routing, Out 1-16 are the physical outputs on the back of the console. That is not necessarily correct. Only what is assigned on the Routing, XLR Out screen (in banks of 4) are what goes out the XLR outputs on the back of the console. By default, those assignments are Out 1-4, Out 5-8, etc. The Out 1-16 screen is a patching screen that allows the user to assign individual outputs to make up banks of 4/8 that can be assigned to the AES50, Card and XLR Out screens.
Привет. Я столкнулся с проблемой на midas m32. На нашей сцене установлены разные системы персонального мониторинга и у них разная входная чувствительность. Это можно решить опустив или подняв фейдер, но тогда звукооператор не слышит полноценно мониторный микс (иногда громче, иногда тише) и теряется полноценная возможность настройки. Есть ли возможность установить максимальный выходной уровень на мониторы, чтобы положение фейдера 0db не перегружало персональный монитор?
Hi Alan, I'm still confuse for routing on user output Would you give me the example how to route using user output for the case of: 1. Output 1-8 - AES50A -> Bus 1-8 2. Output 9 - Local -> Matrix 1 3. Output 10 - Local -> Matrix 2 4. Output 11 - AES50A -> Bus 9 5. Output 12 - AES50A -> Bus 10 6. Output 13 - Local -> Bus 11 7. Output 14 - Local -> Mono Sub 8. Output 15 & 16 - Local -> Main LR
It's kind of hard to do without having it all in front of me... But did you watch the User Input routing video? The concept is basically the same if it's just a matter of understanding the concept(s) you need to follow to make it work: ruclips.net/video/FJxNQXzbhdQ/видео.html
Hi, I am running sound at another church. They have a X 32 rack. SD8 I bought my S 16 I want to split the first eight outputs ST8 second eight outputs S 16 I see signal but I don’t hear anything
There seems to always be some confusion about the output routing, and what is doing what on the X32 and M32. Which ends up causing problems for things like monitor / IEM feeds... A lot of it relates to signal flow understanding, and a lot of the problem isn't that people don't understand what it needs to be as much as they don't understand 'how' to get there. Or think a setting is doing something it's not.
So, that's the point of this 'Explainer' video. There are other videos on the channel that get more into the weeds, and explain other parts of setting up monitors or FX, but the goal of this video is to stick to the basics and answer the often asked output routing questions on the forums. And try and keep the pacing a bit slower and stick to the core routing issues.
And this also should help someone coming over from analog to begin to relate some of these digital console routing concepts.
I did a similar video for the XR18 that has been popular.
Leave any comments or questions below. Feel free to share the link.
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Behringer X32 on Sweetwater:
sweetwater.sjv.io/DK05Jy
Midas M32 on Sweetwater:
sweetwater.sjv.io/xkEBRk
Midas M32R and other digital mixers on Sweetwater:
sweetwater.sjv.io/xkKQkR
Behringer X32 Rack and other digital mixers on Sweetwater:
sweetwater.sjv.io/PyQ4yN
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www.amazon.com/shop/alanhamiltonaudio
✨Items Used to Make This Video-
FDUCE SL40 Vocal Dynamic Podcast Microphone on Amazon:
amzn.to/408xlf3
Sony ZV1 Camera on Amazon:
amzn.to/3z9MHny
Canon M50 MkII Camera on Amazon:
amzn.to/3z6c8X5
“As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.”
"I earn from affiliate link purchases"
Items purchased thru affiliate links come at no additional cost to viewers, but these purchases can earn the channel commissions.
🎚✨ Support via Patreon:
Patreon Page where there are live production PDF tutorials available for download for 4.00 Patrons. Behringer/Midas X/M32 scene and channel files, XR18 channel and scene files available for 10.00 Patrons.
Plus video scripts, photos, and behind the scenes video snippets.
www.patreon.com/notifications
🚀Channel Facebook Page:
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====Other channel videos:
Soundcheck in Action-
ruclips.net/video/k2wgnPQI_is/видео.html
A Soundman's Day - Mixing the Band:
ruclips.net/video/iCzNO4lCyAs/видео.html
5 Tips for Mixing Live Vocals:
ruclips.net/video/oP4sdpkkNhY/видео.html
This really helped me. I was questioning myself and everything; I even thought it was a factory failure. But now I have a better understanding of this option. thank you
I always wondered why the mix bus main fader wasn't affect my volume and yet I had set my Tap Point to be Pre-Fader... Now am gonna put it back to Post-Fader...
Thanks alot Hamilton 😊
Glad I could help!
This was so clear and digestible. Thank you!
Thank you! :)
A useful video as always. A bone to pick if I may: In a couple of places you said Channel when you should have said Bus, then later mentioned interchangeability of these terms. I disagree - both should be used to mean one thing only, to prevent mistakes.
It was "channel send" versus "bus send" when talking about the channel itself and the ability to have monitor sends, FX sends, etc. there on any channel... All to keep things mentally separate from the bus output routing.
In X-Edit that page is even just called "SENDS". And on the actual console in the GUI it's just the "SENDS" tab as well. So you are in the channel's sends page when you are working there on that side of things.
Of course on the console knobs it's the "Bus Sends" section for the physical knobs... But with sends on fader, you're not really using those anyway. And once the idea of channel sends and bus sends being the same term anyway within the context of a selected channel... where they can then be channel monitor sends, channel FX sends, channel stream send, etc... then it's a much easier way to keep things straight mentally about what is where. Especially when there's the hurdle of addressing people changing the bus OUTPUTS to be pre fader and thinking that's what they're supposed to do for monitor mixes from FOH. It's a simple way to clear that confusion and it's not inaccurate either.
So I wanted to drive home the point that channel sends and bus sends are the same overall terms when working within the channels... and that using the term channel sends just gives a better mental picture of where you are working within the signal chain of the console.
I don't think I ever slipped up and called an output a channel send. I'd have to check the transcript.
Great tutorial Alan, ive got my X32 full board set where i want it to be, im also using the center channel for subs & im also using an SD16
My band also uses 4 P16-M's, & im also recording into Reaper & the play back & simulated sound check all work flawlessly, but it certainly wasnt easy to get it all to this point, especially coming from analog, tho i did start with an XR18 for a couple months before i moved up to the X32
But its always routing routing routing that gets tripped up
& im perfectly aware of the SOF button, & your right, it makes it easy
Very happy to be a subscriber & for the help you've given me in the past 😊
& i forgot to mention, im using Mixing Station for the most part
But i still sometimes use Xedit
Thanks! Glad to have you as a subscriber! 🙂
@@KENNETHCOOPER55 I tried to sprinkle in Mixing Station and X-Edit, along with working on the surface of the console, in this video. It's more time consuming doing everything twice, or three times sometimes, especially when a lot of it I only need to keep small pieces of it for the final video (but I still have to start the software from scratch for each segment of it that I record).
But I thought it was important for a video like this.
Thanks for the video. I am about 3 months in to using an m32 at my church. I recently set up DCA groups for vocals and band to control them all together. I believe I have both channel sends and bus sends set to input. So none of the faders should affect the bus signal. When I adjust the DCA fader, I am told that the IEM mixes are affected by it. Everything i am seeing, DCAs should not affect mix bus but i am assuming i have messed up routing somehow. Any suggestions?
It's possible to have a bus master(s) itself assigned to a DCA. So that's the first thing I'd check. Example: Let's say you have vocals on DCA1. Make sure any monitor masters (AKA bus outputs) aren't also assigned to DCA1. Or for that matter, not assigned to any DCAs unless you have some non-typical but otherwise intended reason for doing so.
Otherwise, I'd also doublecheck every channel to make sure you aren't feeding any of the monitors from any channel Post Fader. Nor using a subgroup when you meant to use a pre-fader send. If you accidentally have a vocal monitor send on a channel or channels as a subgroup, that would definitely be controlled by a DCA.
If by "bus sends" you mean the bus master outputs, you should have those on Post Fader. But that shouldn't be the reason for your DCA problem.
And for the channel sends/monitor sends on each channel, while "Input" IS Pre-Fader, it's probably 'too' pre-fader to be best and I'd change that to Pre-EQ. But that shouldn't be your DCA problem either. And wouldn't even be all that much of an issue anyway... but tapping a channel monitor send as far back in the channel as "Input" is not typical.
At the beginning of your tutorial, you mentioned that the assignments on the Routing, Out 1-16 are the physical outputs on the back of the console. That is not necessarily correct. Only what is assigned on the Routing, XLR Out screen (in banks of 4) are what goes out the XLR outputs on the back of the console. By default, those assignments are Out 1-4, Out 5-8, etc.
The Out 1-16 screen is a patching screen that allows the user to assign individual outputs to make up banks of 4/8 that can be assigned to the AES50, Card and XLR Out screens.
Exactly. This is really important to understand also. Besides that, great video.
Привет. Я столкнулся с проблемой на midas m32. На нашей сцене установлены разные системы персонального мониторинга и у них разная входная чувствительность. Это можно решить опустив или подняв фейдер, но тогда звукооператор не слышит полноценно мониторный микс (иногда громче, иногда тише) и теряется полноценная возможность настройки. Есть ли возможность установить максимальный выходной уровень на мониторы, чтобы положение фейдера 0db не перегружало персональный монитор?
Just Amazing !!!
Thank you
Hi Alan, I'm still confuse for routing on user output
Would you give me the example how to route using user output for the case of:
1. Output 1-8 - AES50A -> Bus 1-8
2. Output 9 - Local -> Matrix 1
3. Output 10 - Local -> Matrix 2
4. Output 11 - AES50A -> Bus 9
5. Output 12 - AES50A -> Bus 10
6. Output 13 - Local -> Bus 11
7. Output 14 - Local -> Mono Sub
8. Output 15 & 16 - Local -> Main LR
It's kind of hard to do without having it all in front of me... But did you watch the User Input routing video? The concept is basically the same if it's just a matter of understanding the concept(s) you need to follow to make it work:
ruclips.net/video/FJxNQXzbhdQ/видео.html
@@AlanHamiltonAudio Thx
Hi, I am running sound at another church. They have a X 32 rack. SD8 I bought my S 16 I want to split the first eight outputs ST8 second eight outputs S 16 I see signal but I don’t hear anything
Thanks
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