You've got a nice piano! I do feel like some corners were cut by the manufacturer on this one. Oh well, at least it won't affect the performance of the piano rolls.
This looks about as high end as Haddorff gets so still very good; almost as good as an Emerson. The Auto Deluxe action with separate rubato lever and silencer/fast forward represented some extra expense, as did this fancier case which reminds me a bit of the case of the early Seeburg E coin piano with hanging lamps, some of which were made by Haddorff. So a nice case. The “fake” pedal seems like the only corner they really obviously cut.
@Nate Otto - Outside the Vacuum you really have a knack for not only doing nice work but come across naturally on your videos. If you like band organs, see my page. Lousy quality, but you get to see the largest collection of mechanical music
Tuning is an art, that I have no inclination to learn. Very interesting video. 👍👍 Yo, listen up here's a story About a little guy That lives in a blue world 🤣🤣
It is a joy to watch you bring this piano back to life. I know I've said before, but you are teaching me and inspiring me as I rebuild my double-valve Standard.
Ive seen the middle pedal do different things on different pianos. My old 1885 Behning and Son only has 2 pedals. Sustain on right, Damper on the left and the middle either sustaians the note(s) once pressed and makes all other notes play unsustained. As long as you press the keys first, then press the middle pedal to sustain and continue playing while it sustains. Other times ive seen the middle pedal damper only the keys from C4 and lower.
Great video! Really enjoying your progress and had no idea the complexity of the various systems. I’m hooked! The label is a perfect fit and it’s nice to see it installed.
Thanks again for all your expertise and effort you put into making it look so good. I'll try and get some better shots of it once the project is finished!
I’m confident you know quite a bit more about piano restoration than I do, but awhile back i looked up the most common use for the Center Pedal. This is what I found: , the center pedal is the sostenuto pedal, which is like a selective sustain pedal. If you hold down a note and press the sostenuto pedal, that note will continue to sound even when you lift your finger, but all the notes you play afterward will only last as long as you hold them down. It’s a way to hold out a long note or piano chord while your hands are busy playing other notes. On some other pianos the Center Pedal is known as a practice pedal. It softens and nearly muffles the sound so that the student learning doesn’t disturb the entire household. Enjoy your videos …
My Three Pedals: My ~1929 Standard Action upright player has 3 pedals, two of which are sustaining pedals. But one just lifts the bass dampers, and the other lifts all dampers via different connecting rods. Could you piano be configured that way, too?
Yes in many lower grade uprights with 3 pedals, the middle pedal is hooked up as a “half soft” (tugging the same hammer rail trapwork lever at a very slightly different leverage point, for no appreciable difference in effect), or else is completely a dummy, with a spring to return it and that is it! I guess if charitable, these dummy pedals could be “planned future expansion”, and you could hook it up to something. In most medium grade uprights it is either a bass sustain or the felt muffler rail. Rarely, it is the mandolin rail, if present. In this piano, it is hooked up in a way I have never seen or heard of, despite this being otherwise a medium-high grade piano.
@@andrewbarrett1537 yes, this configuration really baffled me. For trying to cut corners, they really didn't do very well with all the extra trapwork in there.
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The middle pedal is the sostenuto pedal. It raises the dampers in the lowermost strings to ad a light reverb effect to the higher ones.
At least that’s what it is on my piano. I was wrong!
You've got a nice piano! I do feel like some corners were cut by the manufacturer on this one. Oh well, at least it won't affect the performance of the piano rolls.
This looks about as high end as Haddorff gets so still very good; almost as good as an Emerson. The Auto Deluxe action with separate rubato lever and silencer/fast forward represented some extra expense, as did this fancier case which reminds me a bit of the case of the early Seeburg E coin piano with hanging lamps, some of which were made by Haddorff. So a nice case. The “fake” pedal seems like the only corner they really obviously cut.
I have waited this series for a while and it’s really exciting every time you upload a video
I'm glad to have you along, thanks!
Same
Thank you! I'm lucky to have you folks following along.
These 2 books are the piano Bible. They were very helpful.
I wouldn't be where I am today without them.
@Nate Otto - Outside the Vacuum you really have a knack for not only doing nice work but come across naturally on your videos. If you like band organs, see my page. Lousy quality, but you get to see the largest collection of mechanical music
@wurly164 Thank you for the kind words, that's very encouraging. I will check out your content!
Another great episode!! Thanks Nate!
Thank you for the encouragement!
Starting to come together, looking good!
Thank you! It's encouraging to finally see signs of life from the piano.
Tuning is an art, that I have no inclination to learn. Very interesting video. 👍👍
Yo, listen up here's a story
About a little guy
That lives in a blue world 🤣🤣
I hear you! I'll have to learn tuning eventually, but not looking forward to it.
@@nateoutsidethevacuum Some useful aids about now that can help, but its just getting the "ear" for it really.
I was waiting a lot this episode!
Thank you!
It is a joy to watch you bring this piano back to life. I know I've said before, but you are teaching me and inspiring me as I rebuild my double-valve Standard.
Thank you! I hope your project is going well.
Ive seen the middle pedal do different things on different pianos. My old 1885 Behning and Son only has 2 pedals. Sustain on right, Damper on the left and the middle either sustaians the note(s) once pressed and makes all other notes play unsustained. As long as you press the keys first, then press the middle pedal to sustain and continue playing while it sustains. Other times ive seen the middle pedal damper only the keys from C4 and lower.
My god, are you right about the snow... Deepest my backyard has been but you've been in your place a lot longer.
I'm running out of places to store it all!
Great video! Really enjoying your progress and had no idea the complexity of the various systems. I’m hooked!
The label is a perfect fit and it’s nice to see it installed.
Thanks again for all your expertise and effort you put into making it look so good. I'll try and get some better shots of it once the project is finished!
I can't wait for another part!
So far I'm in track to post a new episode every weekend. Thanks for watching!
I’m confident you know quite a bit more about piano restoration than I do, but awhile back i looked up the most common use for the Center Pedal. This is what I found:
, the center pedal is the sostenuto pedal, which is like a selective sustain pedal. If you hold down a note and press the sostenuto pedal, that note will continue to sound even when you lift your finger, but all the notes you play afterward will only last as long as you hold them down. It’s a way to hold out a long note or piano chord while your hands are busy playing other notes.
On some other pianos the Center Pedal is known as a practice pedal. It softens and nearly muffles the sound so that the student learning doesn’t disturb the entire household. Enjoy your videos …
Yes, some manufacturers set up the middle pedal in one of those two ways. They definitely cut corners on this one.
@@nateoutsidethevacuum Really enjoy your videos. Would you have an Instagram?
@@brianbrantley4067 thank you! I would not have one, I'm sorry!
@@nateoutsidethevacuum No worries. Thank you..
14:32 The world's first dog to know how a piano key tastes like...
Like C food.
@@nateoutsidethevacuum nice pun LMAO
Great series! I'll be disappointed when you finish the job and the series ends!
That's very kind of you. Though I'll be sure to go out with a bang!
beautiful dog! Border collie?
Not sure! Got him used, just like the piano. He shows signs of Border Collie, Blue Heeler and maybe some Lab/Pit Bull.
My Three Pedals: My ~1929 Standard Action upright player has 3 pedals, two of which are sustaining pedals. But one just lifts the bass dampers, and the other lifts all dampers via different connecting rods. Could you piano be configured that way, too?
Hi Bill! Nice that yours has that extra feature. Haddorf definitely cut some corners on my piano.
I clearly prefer mad people over normal people 🙂
You are doing a terriffic job!
"Normal" is for washing machines!
Nate, how are you on repairing piano rolls that are slight damaged like a few tears ect...
I would recommend archival tape. I also strongly suggest you connect with the Player Piano Talk group on Facebook. It's a real "hivemind" resource!
The middle pedal sustains only one note that is played when pressed all the other notes are damped. Am I right?
correct! That's sostenuto. All the notes (one or more) that are played while the middle pedal is depressed will sustain.
Unfortunately they didn't go to the extra effort to provide that feature on this instrument. Darn!
@@nateoutsidethevacuum It was a Steinway invention I understand and there may have been patent issues!
Only a few old upright pianos have a true sostenuto pedal. Mostly they are found on higher end grand pianos.@@sirsamfay99
@Mark Francis knowing Steinway I'm sure you're right!
Grand Player Pianos going to the TIP????!!!😱🧐
Tip happens.
Middle pedal is for looks only
In this case, yes!
Yes in many lower grade uprights with 3 pedals, the middle pedal is hooked up as a “half soft” (tugging the same hammer rail trapwork lever at a very slightly different leverage point, for no appreciable difference in effect), or else is completely a dummy, with a spring to return it and that is it! I guess if charitable, these dummy pedals could be “planned future expansion”, and you could hook it up to something. In most medium grade uprights it is either a bass sustain or the felt muffler rail. Rarely, it is the mandolin rail, if present. In this piano, it is hooked up in a way I have never seen or heard of, despite this being otherwise a medium-high grade piano.
@@andrewbarrett1537 yes, this configuration really baffled me. For trying to cut corners, they really didn't do very well with all the extra trapwork in there.
...Is that a freakin' Bosendorfer in your backyard upright?
Just a humble Baldwin concert grand. It was headed for the landfill but made a pit stop here.
@@nateoutsidethevacuum that's a heckin' long Baldwin! It looks great though. :D
@@dakel20 thank you! Some might say I'm compensating.
Do not feed your dog too many piano keys, this could cause problems with digestion and the keys will then be missing from some pianos....
Noted!