My problem with this series as a concept is that it actually undermines what made Nurse Ratched such an effective antagonist. She wasn't some master manipulator. She was a small, petty person put in charge of the vulnerable and disenfranchised. She didn't have to concoct elaborate murder plots. All she had to do was maintain order of her hospital and her higher ups didn't care. She is the logical end of give someone minor a small bit of power and see what they do with it.
Completely agree! Her power trip for tightly controlling the patients was her form of evil, and the closest she got to manipulation was when she drove the young guy to suicide.
they should never have connected this show with the book/movie..... it could have stood on its own, but like this, it's just a terrible distortion of an originally quite realistic character
Exactly. She didn't have to break the law nor any institutional policy, because the system is organized in such a way that she can commit abuses and they will not be deemed as such. She's just a soulless beaurocrat with little power in the world lording the bit she has in this one specific institution over those with even less. Outside of work, she's probably a very mundane person with an unremarkable life and probably not so much as a parking ticket on her record, let alone murder. She's the embodiment of the banality of evil.
Agreed. The Netflix show should have been about an original character. This character here does not remind me of Mildred Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. If Ryan Murphy wanted to make a show that was a love letter to Hitchcock films, which is what this season of Ratched seems to be, then he should not have chosen that existing character ... who is a control freak and power addict, and not a charismatic and cunning wacko like the role Sarah Paulson plays.
"Why would anybody consciously choose to work night shift?" I'm naturally nocturnal. Even as a child I didn't get tired until the morning. Made school very difficult. I've worked night shift for the last five years, and it's been great.
That, and/or extra pay. I don't know how pay structures are arranged in the UK or the US when it comes to working night shifts as a doctor/nurse, but... Over here in the Netherlands, night shifts for hospital nursing staff, for example, pay 147% of day shift wages (or 152% on Saturday nights).
Exactly! Usually people don't want to do night shifts. That's why in the movie nurse student is working nights. Regular staff (nurses) have more power, they can avoid night shifts, then someone else has to fill the gap.
Indeed the lobotomy was for that time considered to be similar to a miracle cure. No more crying, screaming, talking about seeing and hearing things that aren't there, no more violent outbursts, etc. Of course, they'd never be functional again, but then they didn't consider them capable of functioning to end up there.
Absolutely right. Very much a "if there's no noise then there's no problem" approach and probably an unconscious focus on making life easier for professionals rather than patients
@@DoctorElliottCarthy I'm not sure how unconscious it was for how many. I do have sympathy for those in the field themselves though. I think it's a hard job and those in it like everyone else are human beings with limits on how much stress they can handle in various health fields requiring significant care, from places for people who need treatment for psychological conditions to facilities for the care of those such as the elderly. It seems to me for a number it must be crushing, to be in some cases overworked, understaffed, unappreciated, sometimes dealing with forms of abuse such as individuals attempting to smear waste on them. They can't take anymore, but there is no one to take their place in providing care that is necessary for those who cannot take care of themselves. I feel there isn't enough done to help people in these fields have the ability to cope with or remove themselves if necessary in those situations, and when they finally can't handle it anymore the consequences are tragic and they'll be lumped in with those who get into the field who abuse their positions and power.
Nice vid as always, Elliott. I had mixed feelings about this show. I liked the complex characters and some of the plot (though not so much towards the end). The visuals were very stylish, but a bit OTT for me. Rached seemed to have a brand-new pristine colour-coordinated outfit for every scene!
You might find the history of PTSD from WWI, WWII, Vietnam to present of interest. During WWI it was the first time that it happened to so many people that they couldn't just write it off cowardice, desertion, refusing orders, etc. Originally called Shell Shock then because they were first forced to recognize it with the effects of mortar shells. One very extreme case of a man who was from their reports utterly unresponsive to everything except hearing someone yell incoming, which would cause him to hide under his bed in the fetal position and shake. They recognized it in the mental effects of chemical attacks too and were running on the theory that it was an effect of these modern methods of warfare. Eventually, they came to accept that it could happen with any type of sustained or significant trauma (still strictly in warfare though as I recall) and it became known as battle fatigue. Many different ideas, because it was called battle fatigue some tried inducing insulin comas, if they just got enough rest they'd no longer be too fatigued to keep fighting. They did however come up with talk therapy, the idea that they were put through too much trauma to process at a time when they had to fight to survive and that they had to talk through it to elicit, face and process the emotional response they had to the events. They also used ECT and a few other methods. After WWI a lot of this was forgotten pretty easily by the military and with WWII they had a similar resistance to accepting battle fatigue, the incident of George S. Patton slapping a battle fatigued officer. And after WWII they easily forgot again at least here in America until Vietnam.
None of the state hospitals in the US (when we had ones that were for people other than forensic ones, for the criminally insane) looked like that, either. It’s most helpful to watch episode 1 director’s cut, which includes more detail, like that the hospital had previously been a lush retreat, designed by a renowned architect and styled by Dorothy Draper, a big deal in interior design, who also designed the staff uniforms. The director’s cut episode 1 really clears up more detail, including how she moved in on that unfaithful nurse’s job with such relative ease. It’s a good one. This whole show is such eye candy.
Recently found you.. and so catching up on your content so thought I would answer your "question". I work in the UK and support people with mental health issues, I also chose to do night shifts. Main reason why: Shift patterns. While night shifts can be brutal, since no one else wishes to do them you can often have more of a say over your shift rota in some places if you choose to do with no day shifts. As a key thing about looking after others, is that you look after your own physical and mental health first - this means I'm able to have a regular shift pattern (even if it is at night) which leaves me the freedom to attend regular social groups out of work during my nights off, that help me leave work behind and care for my own mental state.
Dr. Elliott: "What new ideas are there in the 1940s, the *transorbital lobotomy*? lol!" Me, coming to this video from a video titled "Doctor REACTS to Lobotomy - Ratched #2!!!" and thinking "maybe I should watch part 1 first": Well....
The thing about horror/murder/documentaries about killers..its just fascinating how someone can just kill another person or people and have no care in the world..its just crazy to me
There is a book that was written about the asylums by Ken Kesey in 1962. It's called One Flew Over The Cookoo's Nest. The book was adapted to a movie staring Jack Nicholson as a patient who was faking a mental illness to get out of going to jail. It also stared Louise Fletcher as Nurse Ratched who was the antagonist to Nicholson's character. She was a tough nurse who everyone was afraid of except Nicholson who butted heads with her. It's a dynamic conflict. I highly recommend the movie because it was well acted. The book is good and gives more back story.
There is a scene, where Dr Hanover is waiting for an appointment with Governer Willburn. He takes a tablet to calm himself. It is called Thorazine (chlorpromazine). Chlorpromazine was first synthesised in 1950. Events described in the movie begin in 1947.
We use reserpine for long term “sedation” in horses on stall rest (more like a low dose for calming effect, not legitimately tranquilizing them. Acepromazine is used for that lol). But now I’m worried we don’t know how the drugs affect their psychological stress (for example, I have heard suggestions that acepromazine may seem to outwardly calm them, but results in increased anxiety. Not sure if that’s true). Also, I’ve had panic attacks going to the hospital. They still treat you like shit sometimes (basically ignore you, deny water, meds, won’t talk to you.) but that’s a vast improvement over physical restraints I suppose.
Oh 1 to 10 patient is bad? But here is 1 to 20 to 40 depends on size of the hospital. And night shift only have to nurse in the entire floor. Maybe they counted in the helpers? I thought it’s a norm…
this just reminds me of my annoying habit of miss sayling stuff like (atualy quotes) "i love rabies" "i love leprasy" "i love canablism" "i love necrophilia" "i love murder" cause i don't love the actual thing i'm just fascinated by the way the disease for the first 2 work and the way the people think for the last 3.
Yeah saw this show and I don't know who that character is, but it's not Ratchet from One flew over the cuckoo's nest, there is an obsession at the moment (look to Disney) to try and make previously evil female characters and make them sympathetic. In this case they made her a lesbian, which in my mind does nothing to generate sympathy, after all there and good and bad gay people, right?
Why is it in 480p? I mean if you have a problem with rendering a RUclips vid, try and reupload or mess around with the editing software or RUclips upload tab. Just trying to help.
My problem with this series as a concept is that it actually undermines what made Nurse Ratched such an effective antagonist. She wasn't some master manipulator. She was a small, petty person put in charge of the vulnerable and disenfranchised. She didn't have to concoct elaborate murder plots. All she had to do was maintain order of her hospital and her higher ups didn't care. She is the logical end of give someone minor a small bit of power and see what they do with it.
Completely agree! Her power trip for tightly controlling the patients was her form of evil, and the closest she got to manipulation was when she drove the young guy to suicide.
they should never have connected this show with the book/movie..... it could have stood on its own, but like this, it's just a terrible distortion of an originally quite realistic character
Exactly. She didn't have to break the law nor any institutional policy, because the system is organized in such a way that she can commit abuses and they will not be deemed as such. She's just a soulless beaurocrat with little power in the world lording the bit she has in this one specific institution over those with even less. Outside of work, she's probably a very mundane person with an unremarkable life and probably not so much as a parking ticket on her record, let alone murder. She's the embodiment of the banality of evil.
Agreed. The Netflix show should have been about an original character. This character here does not remind me of Mildred Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. If Ryan Murphy wanted to make a show that was a love letter to Hitchcock films, which is what this season of Ratched seems to be, then he should not have chosen that existing character ... who is a control freak and power addict, and not a charismatic and cunning wacko like the role Sarah Paulson plays.
"Why would anybody consciously choose to work night shift?" I'm naturally nocturnal. Even as a child I didn't get tired until the morning. Made school very difficult. I've worked night shift for the last five years, and it's been great.
I've got friends like this too but it's such an alien concept to me. Hate working nights
@@DoctorElliottCarthy I feel the same about working with people.
"Why would anybody willingly work night shift?" Two words: no management
That, and/or extra pay. I don't know how pay structures are arranged in the UK or the US when it comes to working night shifts as a doctor/nurse, but... Over here in the Netherlands, night shifts for hospital nursing staff, for example, pay 147% of day shift wages (or 152% on Saturday nights).
@@rdevries3852 In the US there's no mandatory night shift differential, but usually it's anywhere between 105% and 110% of day shift's pay
@@rdevries3852 you get extra pay for nights in the nhs too
Night shifts are great. Especially when you work in a factory or a place producing a lot of hot stuff. The cold night does feature some advantages. 👌
Exactly! Usually people don't want to do night shifts. That's why in the movie nurse student is working nights. Regular staff (nurses) have more power, they can avoid night shifts, then someone else has to fill the gap.
“I mean this is super inaprops” was the line that made me subscribe😂
For me it was "When we say cure we usually mean the disease has gone into remission long enough for you to die of something else"
Indeed the lobotomy was for that time considered to be similar to a miracle cure. No more crying, screaming, talking about seeing and hearing things that aren't there, no more violent outbursts, etc. Of course, they'd never be functional again, but then they didn't consider them capable of functioning to end up there.
Absolutely right. Very much a "if there's no noise then there's no problem" approach and probably an unconscious focus on making life easier for professionals rather than patients
@@DoctorElliottCarthy I'm not sure how unconscious it was for how many.
I do have sympathy for those in the field themselves though. I think it's a hard job and those in it like everyone else are human beings with limits on how much stress they can handle in various health fields requiring significant care, from places for people who need treatment for psychological conditions to facilities for the care of those such as the elderly.
It seems to me for a number it must be crushing, to be in some cases overworked, understaffed, unappreciated, sometimes dealing with forms of abuse such as individuals attempting to smear waste on them. They can't take anymore, but there is no one to take their place in providing care that is necessary for those who cannot take care of themselves.
I feel there isn't enough done to help people in these fields have the ability to cope with or remove themselves if necessary in those situations, and when they finally can't handle it anymore the consequences are tragic and they'll be lumped in with those who get into the field who abuse their positions and power.
Burst out laughing at “I mean this is super inapropes.” Fantastic channel, great doctor.
Nice vid as always, Elliott. I had mixed feelings about this show. I liked the complex characters and some of the plot (though not so much towards the end). The visuals were very stylish, but a bit OTT for me. Rached seemed to have a brand-new pristine colour-coordinated outfit for every scene!
You might find the history of PTSD from WWI, WWII, Vietnam to present of interest. During WWI it was the first time that it happened to so many people that they couldn't just write it off cowardice, desertion, refusing orders, etc. Originally called Shell Shock then because they were first forced to recognize it with the effects of mortar shells. One very extreme case of a man who was from their reports utterly unresponsive to everything except hearing someone yell incoming, which would cause him to hide under his bed in the fetal position and shake. They recognized it in the mental effects of chemical attacks too and were running on the theory that it was an effect of these modern methods of warfare.
Eventually, they came to accept that it could happen with any type of sustained or significant trauma (still strictly in warfare though as I recall) and it became known as battle fatigue. Many different ideas, because it was called battle fatigue some tried inducing insulin comas, if they just got enough rest they'd no longer be too fatigued to keep fighting.
They did however come up with talk therapy, the idea that they were put through too much trauma to process at a time when they had to fight to survive and that they had to talk through it to elicit, face and process the emotional response they had to the events. They also used ECT and a few other methods.
After WWI a lot of this was forgotten pretty easily by the military and with WWII they had a similar resistance to accepting battle fatigue, the incident of George S. Patton slapping a battle fatigued officer. And after WWII they easily forgot again at least here in America until Vietnam.
None of the state hospitals in the US (when we had ones that were for people other than forensic ones, for the criminally insane) looked like that, either. It’s most helpful to watch episode 1 director’s cut, which includes more detail, like that the hospital had previously been a lush retreat, designed by a renowned architect and styled by Dorothy Draper, a big deal in interior design, who also designed the staff uniforms. The director’s cut episode 1 really clears up more detail, including how she moved in on that unfaithful nurse’s job with such relative ease. It’s a good one. This whole show is such eye candy.
Loving this..... “so much passive aggression and wrestling for control....its all about ego” I’m saving that one Doc! ❤️
LOVED this, sarah paulson’s acting is so good in this show. making me want to rewatch it haha
Would love to see you react to MASH specifically season 5 episode 14 entitled *Hawkeyes Nightmare*
Recently found you.. and so catching up on your content so thought I would answer your "question".
I work in the UK and support people with mental health issues, I also chose to do night shifts.
Main reason why: Shift patterns.
While night shifts can be brutal, since no one else wishes to do them you can often have more of a say over your shift rota in some places if you choose to do with no day shifts.
As a key thing about looking after others, is that you look after your own physical and mental health first - this means I'm able to have a regular shift pattern (even if it is at night) which leaves me the freedom to attend regular social groups out of work during my nights off, that help me leave work behind and care for my own mental state.
Dr. Elliott: "What new ideas are there in the 1940s, the *transorbital lobotomy*? lol!"
Me, coming to this video from a video titled "Doctor REACTS to Lobotomy - Ratched #2!!!" and thinking "maybe I should watch part 1 first": Well....
Would love to see you do a video on the Netflix series “You”
I watched this entire series in one day and boy was it a trip.
‘Súper inapprops’ flipping legendary
the way dr hanover turned round in horror when you said liar was genius
The thing about horror/murder/documentaries about killers..its just fascinating how someone can just kill another person or people and have no care in the world..its just crazy to me
There is a book that was written about the asylums by Ken Kesey in 1962. It's called One Flew Over The Cookoo's Nest.
The book was adapted to a movie staring Jack Nicholson as a patient who was faking a mental illness to get out of going to jail.
It also stared Louise Fletcher as Nurse Ratched who was the antagonist to Nicholson's character. She was a tough nurse who everyone was afraid of except Nicholson who butted heads with her. It's a dynamic conflict.
I highly recommend the movie because it was well acted. The book is good and gives more back story.
There is a scene, where Dr Hanover is waiting for an appointment with Governer Willburn. He takes a tablet to calm himself. It is called Thorazine (chlorpromazine). Chlorpromazine was first synthesised in 1950. Events described in the movie begin in 1947.
Saltpeter - potassium nitrate was once thought to induce impotence.
Can u react to Killing eve?
I'm pretty sure you get this suggestion but do a Tony Soprano and Dr. Melfi scene reaction!
We use reserpine for long term “sedation” in horses on stall rest (more like a low dose for calming effect, not legitimately tranquilizing them. Acepromazine is used for that lol). But now I’m worried we don’t know how the drugs affect their psychological stress (for example, I have heard suggestions that acepromazine may seem to outwardly calm them, but results in increased anxiety. Not sure if that’s true).
Also, I’ve had panic attacks going to the hospital. They still treat you like shit sometimes (basically ignore you, deny water, meds, won’t talk to you.) but that’s a vast improvement over physical restraints I suppose.
Reserpine in horses? I'm intrigued..... I spy a video topic right there
Loved this video - Personally loved this series aswelll, pretty sure they cancelled it :( was so upset
Do you only react to things with a medical aspect? If not I’d love a reaction to Everybody’s Talking About Jamie
Yaasss I've seen the west end show but not the film yet so that's a great idea
i kinda want him to react to the episode where we're introduced to that horrible rendition of dissociatuve identity disorder....
Unfortunately I think most conditions can't be 'cured'. Mostly managing symptoms and decreasing rate of progression
You should look up the 1956 movie "The Bad Seed."
I work night shift bc the ADHD sleep delay makes being awake at night way easier than waking up to work during the day 😂
Oh 1 to 10 patient is bad? But here is 1 to 20 to 40 depends on size of the hospital. And night shift only have to nurse in the entire floor. Maybe they counted in the helpers? I thought it’s a norm…
I loved the show
Saltpetre was thought to lower male libido. Spoiler: it doesn't.
Salt Pewter, if I remember right, is used as a "pro-ED" drug.
9;12 I thought she was going to clock Nurse Ratchet in the jaw for a moment
Please react to the Truman's show
Hugo strange at it again
seem doctor elliot often forget that the setting is in 1940s
Is it because of drug companies that we no longer look for 'cures' and instead focus on managing symptoms?
this just reminds me of my annoying habit of miss sayling stuff like (atualy quotes) "i love rabies" "i love leprasy" "i love canablism" "i love necrophilia" "i love murder" cause i don't love the actual thing i'm just fascinated by the way the disease for the first 2 work and the way the people think for the last 3.
Yeah saw this show and I don't know who that character is, but it's not Ratchet from One flew over the cuckoo's nest, there is an obsession at the moment (look to Disney) to try and make previously evil female characters and make them sympathetic. In this case they made her a lesbian, which in my mind does nothing to generate sympathy, after all there and good and bad gay people, right?
Why is it in 480p? I mean if you have a problem with rendering a RUclips vid, try and reupload or mess around with the editing software or RUclips upload tab. Just trying to help.