New Order - The Perfect Kiss (live Toronto '85)

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  • Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2008
  • An extraordinary video of 'The Perfect Kiss' from International Centre - Toronto - August 4th, 1985. For some reason, this wasn't included on "Live In Glasgow", which features three other songs ('We All Stand', 'Age Of Consent', and 'Temptation') instead. Much of this is a close-up of a shirtless Hooky...quite a contrast to the clinical approach the band exhibited in Johnathan Demme's short film of this song. This recording is said to originate directly from Paul Boyd, who filmed it...unfortunately Paul passed away a couple of years ago, so this is dedicated to his memory.
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  • @jojolovejoy
    @jojolovejoy 6 лет назад +230

    Nice to see Peter Hook playing with his pleasure zone.

    • @bottytoohotty
      @bottytoohotty Год назад +1

      lol

    • @Zknwlf
      @Zknwlf Год назад +6

      Well I must say he knows how to move those hips ;-0

    • @wholeshebang1
      @wholeshebang1 Год назад +1

      @Debra Zemplinsky - Hook's the only one moving on stage!

    • @colinchampollion4420
      @colinchampollion4420 4 месяца назад +1

      And sexy shirtless

  • @Djlullaby22
    @Djlullaby22 6 лет назад +232

    Hooky had to choose between being a bass player or a porn star

    • @Djlullaby22
      @Djlullaby22 6 лет назад +9

      Hooky fan here!

    • @119Agent
      @119Agent 6 лет назад +20

      I'm not sure he stuck with his decision the way he molested that bass.

    • @zyx7478
      @zyx7478 3 года назад +3

      The pelvic thrust drove him insane ( a rocky horror joke)😂

  • @hamburgerhelperflick
    @hamburgerhelperflick Год назад +60

    Hooky playing his bass so high up the fret gave the band a distinctive sound that no one else had. It gave an additional dimension to their electronic sound.

    • @zygmanfroid9709
      @zygmanfroid9709 Год назад +6

      yea? what else you going to tell us? the band is called new order?

    • @alanroe1020
      @alanroe1020 Год назад +9

      Totally agree with both points.
      For years I thought Hookies bass was actually a guitar! And yeah it was complementary to their electronics…

    • @goodhumourwagon
      @goodhumourwagon Год назад

      ​@@zygmanfroid9709Yer mum is great in the sack. Bet ya didn't know that.

  • @walonsubi
    @walonsubi 14 лет назад +83

    "i'd always though he waaaas a fookin mad baastard"
    outstanding line

  • @jkitty1089
    @jkitty1089 5 лет назад +98

    playing cowbell with those shorts, white socks, black loafers! is pure greatness. lol

    • @wholeshebang1
      @wholeshebang1 Год назад

      More COWBELL!!!

    • @jamesbensley5790
      @jamesbensley5790 Год назад +2

      White socks and black slip ons were never cool 😂😂😂

    • @108grog
      @108grog Год назад

      That's alternative greatness.
      He has balls. Probably 3.

    • @northernthrifter8817
      @northernthrifter8817 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@jamesbensley5790
      Slip ons were never cool full stop!
      Never mind the short pants and sports socks 🤣

    • @jamespohl-md2eq
      @jamespohl-md2eq 29 дней назад

      @@jamesbensley5790Wrong

  • @randawgbbq
    @randawgbbq 15 лет назад +81

    Simply the best New Order song period.

  • @AndrewWells
    @AndrewWells 9 лет назад +300

    Hooky's bass wound up pregnant with twins after this manhandling!!!

    • @wingerding
      @wingerding 5 лет назад +1

      Is this true?

    • @saund102
      @saund102 5 лет назад +20

      @@wingerding yes, ian and curtis

    • @ragnar2803
      @ragnar2803 4 года назад +7

      I STOPED MY JOB ONLY TO SAY YHAT YOUR COMMENT WAS AWESOME, KKKKKKKKK

    • @KLEFF718
      @KLEFF718 4 года назад +6

      So did I! 😅

    • @jasongallagher54
      @jasongallagher54 3 года назад +3

      It’s certainly more attractive than his long standing girlfriend, Caroline aherne

  • @Aristoklis00
    @Aristoklis00 4 года назад +45

    Hooky´s bass is unreal, dictates the melody and gifts machismo to the song, just sublime...

  • @michaellee7841
    @michaellee7841 6 лет назад +59

    Barney's white socks and the black dress shoes is just so him. Peter rocks like a mad man.

  • @shmoker2010
    @shmoker2010 5 лет назад +33

    Barney in his little shorts and socks is adorable.

  • @alisonmercieca1465
    @alisonmercieca1465 4 года назад +62

    Pretty sure Hooky’s bass climaxed in this song...several times.

  • @deadboystare
    @deadboystare 12 лет назад +75

    Hook's the man. One of his best songs to play bass art home with.

  • @MB-ke9mi
    @MB-ke9mi 2 года назад +63

    Peter Hook rocked it.

  • @blakelyhall8191
    @blakelyhall8191 5 месяцев назад +6

    Hooky is a total VIBE. No one else has the Essence this bloke possesses.
    I think we can all agree though that New order/the music was not his driving force whereas the rest of the group were the band and music first, then everything else 2nd.
    Either way so happy they blessed us with all of these crunchy tunes while they were all on the same page even if it didn’t last as long as the universe would have hoped 💙

  • @karenyhernandez751
    @karenyhernandez751 9 лет назад +95

    1:28 Steve´s like: Not yet hooky!

    • @MrNikkiNoo
      @MrNikkiNoo 9 лет назад +5

      +Kareny Hernandez And Hooky's like: What? Oh aye.

    • @johnhyatt9408
      @johnhyatt9408 7 лет назад +8

      Not sure who's the joke on here , Steve or Hooky. Still , OMG WHAT A HEADF*CK. AMAZING SOUND

    • @mirak63
      @mirak63 4 года назад +2

      I noticed that and found your comment later.

    • @L30x
      @L30x 3 года назад +1

      Good catch !.

    • @Epson_Araujo
      @Epson_Araujo 3 месяца назад

      And I guess the riff played by Bernard right after was a try to make this mistake more musically natural.

  • @jworona8741
    @jworona8741 Год назад +27

    I was at this show and just found this video today. I can vividly remember hooky playing the drums on this song. Amazing after all these years to find this footage

    • @KLEFF718
      @KLEFF718 7 месяцев назад

      I can't even imagine the energy you must have felt seeing this live. I come back every now and then to watch this and I am blown away every time. Not going to lie, Peter Hook as a lliiiiitttttlllle bit to do with it...?

  • @mlml7854
    @mlml7854 3 года назад +56

    most bands tried to be as cool as new order. they all failed. Literally the most important musicians since the beatles. changed rock music forever.

    • @bryankinney1
      @bryankinney1 3 года назад +8

      agreed 100%. new order (and joy division) were the real thing. they were having fun and didn't give a shit about the industry. only when they started caring is when it all went downhill.

    • @KenDanieli
      @KenDanieli 2 года назад +1

      fuck the beatles

  • @douglash8377
    @douglash8377 8 лет назад +62

    All the muscle in the sound is coming from Hooky.

  • @bigred4592
    @bigred4592 8 лет назад +68

    Hooky is a beast!!

  • @Adrhodes442
    @Adrhodes442 5 лет назад +48

    I have ptsd from Peter Hook's hip movements

  • @DeluxeStudioVisual
    @DeluxeStudioVisual Год назад +20

    Hooky’s bass, never unmatched, so ridiculously unique and GOLD
    Probably the best bass riff in their discog, just legendary

  • @Gholden1972
    @Gholden1972 2 года назад +28

    I don’t think it’s possible to sound as flat and off key as Barney but still sound so good.

    • @Rayman1971
      @Rayman1971 Год назад +8

      He's perfect for New Order

    • @spurv
      @spurv Год назад +7

      Yeah, and rocking those loafers at the same time.

  • @kongobongo4562
    @kongobongo4562 6 лет назад +74

    Playing that high up the fretboard is not easy to do with the bass slung so low down- Hooky manages to do that whilst at the same time doing a quality performance. Great tune.

    • @lisaknell6018
      @lisaknell6018 6 лет назад

      KongoBongo I don’t play bass (sure wish I could!) but have always wondered if there is a reason Hooky plays with such a long strap? He still seems to do it? Can any bass players answer?

    • @deukaedalso4367
      @deukaedalso4367 5 лет назад +2

      @@lisaknell6018 He still does that - check the "Peter Hook & The Light" live shows.

    • @richardholdsworth4386
      @richardholdsworth4386 2 года назад

      @@deukaedalso4367 and he's still the same with Jack along side of him

    • @navicurseadomensoimbecil3859
      @navicurseadomensoimbecil3859 2 года назад +6

      @@lisaknell6018 Because it looks cool

  • @jasmineenvy4650
    @jasmineenvy4650 2 года назад +10

    What a find. Yes there is pot of treasure at the end of the rainbow and it is band called New Order. So need more bands like this 2022

  • @graterdeddly9527
    @graterdeddly9527 2 года назад +39

    I always got the feeling that Hook was the rock side of New Order and Sumner wanted to go into other directions with electronic sounds, Morris loved playing with drum machines so might have tipped the scale toward the latter, and Gilbert, well she's the synth side, so maybe that's why Hook's no longer with them. Music Complete is a great album, far closer to their late 1980s sound than their more recent albums, but they still were best back when Hook was there -- or maybe that's my nostalgia for better times talking.

    • @JFSCOTTJonny
      @JFSCOTTJonny 2 года назад +21

      You'd be right, that's how Hooky describes himself mostly in his book 'Substance'. He ended up fighting to get his bass on tracks that were becoming more and more synthetic each album. In my opinion, the mix of both is where the magic is

    • @costa7060
      @costa7060 8 месяцев назад

      It's what made the band great.
      Sure you can program a drum machine and make a bass batch , but then it's not a band any more
      May as well be a DJ.
      This at the time and still today is a unique and truly organic mix of sound.
      That bass is what makes the song , the heart of new order was and will always be the bass .

  • @Stonecutter334
    @Stonecutter334 2 месяца назад +2

    1985 is such a great time for this band.

  • @jenniferreid7244
    @jenniferreid7244 5 лет назад +31

    Look at peter hook there, the sexy bastard! Has anyone invented the time machine yet? I always thought he looked like the type who would give you an amazing, yet brief time in a alley way somewhere!

    • @jasongallagher54
      @jasongallagher54 3 года назад

      Is this sort of comment supposed to get you a husband!

    • @clehrbar
      @clehrbar 3 года назад

      I’ll meet him in a dark alley, anytime.

    • @jenniferreid7072
      @jenniferreid7072 3 года назад +3

      @@jasongallagher54 I actually have a husband. The comment was a a bit of drunken fun more than 2 years ago

    • @jasongallagher54
      @jasongallagher54 3 года назад +1

      @@jenniferreid7072 I know I’m just joshing

    • @juliepanebianco846
      @juliepanebianco846 3 года назад +1

      😂🤣

  • @ronanjenkins2323
    @ronanjenkins2323 2 года назад +9

    I would absolutely adore seeing them in a small venue like this.

  • @poolgogipoolgogi9946
    @poolgogipoolgogi9946 9 лет назад +46

    Love hearing Hooky's bass lines but wish Gilian's synth masterwork on this piece was more audible. Epic nevertheless

  • @kalliroi_84
    @kalliroi_84 7 лет назад +20

    ohhh my god...I WISH I WAS HOOK'S BASS!!❤❤❤

  • @anapaulacarneiro4175
    @anapaulacarneiro4175 3 года назад +12

    I never get tired seeing his f*cking awesome vídeo. It seems like the stage manager would know exactly how Hooky will do with bass in this gig and put the camera over him. Thanks a lot for this and thank you for sharing this treasure.

  • @DJSTOEK
    @DJSTOEK 4 года назад +19

    I like how cool he looks in his little shorts and Hooky shirtless looks badass.

  • @ColtSpearmint
    @ColtSpearmint 6 лет назад +38

    0:08 "Thieves like us!!!"
    *"NO"*

  • @walonsubi
    @walonsubi 12 лет назад +16

    Excellent improvisation from Barney there when he forgot the words.

  • @yeliab814
    @yeliab814 2 года назад +12

    always loved this song and its layers - my favorite NO track. i just learned Peter Hook originally started playing Bass up high because his cheap $h!tty amp setup was muddled in the lower octaves. thank goodness that's all he could afford at the time!

  • @maryjuric8630
    @maryjuric8630 8 лет назад +17

    Wow so great to see this, I was at this show without my camera and clearly remember Bernard's short shorts, hah!

  • @juliepanebianco846
    @juliepanebianco846 3 года назад +25

    I toured with this band several times and for the life of me I don’t remember seeing Hooky take his shirt off- that I couldn’t have forgotten! nor Bernard with socks & shorts, would have tackled them both for different reasons! Brilliant clip

    • @bryankinney1
      @bryankinney1 3 года назад +1

      you were a roadie? they both used to take their tops off a lot in the 80s

    • @richardholdsworth4386
      @richardholdsworth4386 2 года назад +1

      Bernard was wearing shorts for years

  • @jrmarrero96
    @jrmarrero96 15 лет назад +21

    i don't think I could ever get tired of hearing the full length version of this fantastic song. I hate the edited version of it though since it cuts out Peter Hook's bass solo.

  • @CameronBales
    @CameronBales 8 месяцев назад +3

    This is stunning.

  • @alexsavage7145
    @alexsavage7145 3 года назад +19

    Peter Hook in the 80s looked like Hans Gruber in Die Hard.
    Yippie ki yay Bernard Sumner

    • @froggue1409
      @froggue1409 3 года назад +2

      OMG!! i thought i was the only one who realized this! hooky SO reminds me of alan rickman in die hard...

  • @theboomer61
    @theboomer61 3 года назад +5

    I worked this show, only 35 years ago!!

  • @richardblais5232
    @richardblais5232 5 лет назад +33

    The Hooky Sound IS New Order (and Joy Division) ...

  • @michellewilliams8188
    @michellewilliams8188 10 лет назад +27

    Still one of their best songs!

  • @shmoker2010
    @shmoker2010 14 лет назад +29

    Thanks so much for posting this. F'n great track, and the sound quality on this is really good. Bernard looks so funny in his little shorts and socks!

    • @wholeshebang1
      @wholeshebang1 Год назад

      He forgot his pants! Seeing Hook close-up, hammering at those drums, shirtless was such a treat!

  • @sking55
    @sking55 10 лет назад +44

    Blessings on the cameraperson for being right next to the hot(!) and sweaty SHIRTLESS PETER HOOK!!......oh yeah- love the song, too.......

    • @clairherwitz2773
      @clairherwitz2773 7 лет назад +2

      sking55 Indeed. I could die for putting myself in that position or for fucking hooky !

    • @Djlullaby22
      @Djlullaby22 6 лет назад +3

      get in line, girl

  • @morrisseyguy6811
    @morrisseyguy6811 4 года назад +23

    Statistics show that bands never recover losing their frontman. So Glad NO is one of the statistical anomaly’s

    • @jabsol5120
      @jabsol5120 3 года назад +17

      Bands never recover from losing a bass player like Peter hook

    • @Thunderchild-gz4gc
      @Thunderchild-gz4gc 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@jabsol5120they're doing just fine

  • @sophielaurenti8846
    @sophielaurenti8846 3 года назад +11

    Thanks for the upload. I've been binge watching New Order live performances trying to relive my youth! Love this band!!

  • @andrewmerton3256
    @andrewmerton3256 2 года назад +2

    All my teens ive love bass and now eben at 56 and hooky bass is pure joy ..see new order o2 london 2 week ago and oh so good but shame hooky not there and god bless ian curtis ..oh so missed

  • @BOMInsights
    @BOMInsights 12 лет назад +18

    I was at that show and it has always been a running joke ... Bernard's shorts! It was damn hot though that day!

    • @danpiedra3910
      @danpiedra3910 3 года назад

      @toronto daddy This show was at the International Centre in Mississauga byt the airport. It was either July or August of 1985. New Order came back a few years later to Massey hall and later to the CNE in 1989 and 91 I think.

  • @HooperWest
    @HooperWest 9 лет назад +8

    Was at this show...thanks for the extraordinary VID.
    Tempus fugit

  • @Bike_Misping
    @Bike_Misping 2 года назад +8

    i love how out of time and tune they often were in the live performances. case in point when Hooky almost started too early. it was all about the ideas and the songs

  • @jm7578
    @jm7578 Год назад +6

    Peter hook gives meaning to the lyrics from the Rocky horror picture show that says “the pelvic thrust ,it will drive you insane”

  • @danielb.4461
    @danielb.4461 7 месяцев назад +1

    Performing at the International Centre in Toronto is the strangest venue. Of all the places to play in the city, performing by the airport in the suburbs at a trade centre where they hold car shows and office conventions... wish I went!

  • @cp-ty1eg
    @cp-ty1eg 8 месяцев назад +2

    This is a masterpiece. Hooky is in a class of his own. I wish he still played with them

  • @walonsubi
    @walonsubi 15 лет назад +31

    My god Hook is bad-ass. And Barney has nice legs :P

  • @StudioMYJ
    @StudioMYJ 9 месяцев назад +1

    A treasure!! So glad i found this video ❤❤❤

  • @juliogeografiabrasil
    @juliogeografiabrasil 12 лет назад +15

    Clássico absoluto do New Order! Na sua melhor fase...

  • @danizabarrera8618
    @danizabarrera8618 2 года назад +3

    This song is a Classic...Love it😍
    New Order come Back to CHILE

  • @janetboyd3075
    @janetboyd3075 11 лет назад +7

    I saw them three days before at the Felt Forum in New York. Still have the ticket stub and playlist. Transformative. Thanks for taking and sharing this. You are a hero!

  • @murphadam420
    @murphadam420 Год назад +8

    Peter is gratuitous, narcissistic, drowns out his bandmates. It shouldn't work at all, but I've never heard the bass sound like this before or since. Maybe it's where the camera is, maybe it's just that night, but my God something special happened here. He humps his bass for 8 minutes and it still seems like an understatement for this performance. He even screws up a few times - doesn't matter.

  • @professionalassasin
    @professionalassasin 14 лет назад +6

    Great quality, Hooky is as clear as day.

  • @radicalsquare
    @radicalsquare 14 лет назад +7

    Great sound, and great camera angle-- The Hook-cam!

  • @JakeMcClake2
    @JakeMcClake2 10 месяцев назад +12

    One could call this "The Perfect Kiss" by Peter Hook, and his backup band New Order.

    • @jamespohl-md2eq
      @jamespohl-md2eq 29 дней назад

      one could if one new nothing about the band.

    • @JakeMcClake2
      @JakeMcClake2 26 дней назад

      @@jamespohl-md2eq I "knew" something about New Order.

    • @jamespohl-md2eq
      @jamespohl-md2eq 25 дней назад

      @@JakeMcClake2Even w my error the point stands.

  • @xyling
    @xyling 13 лет назад +13

    Hooky is all early during this. Check Steve in the back going, "no! not yet!"

  • @pabloojeda3596
    @pabloojeda3596 7 лет назад +3

    Cuanta energía!!!...excelente vídeo. Peter y su glorioso bajo, en esta canción me llenan de alegría. Simplemente ÉPICO

  • @marksanders1081
    @marksanders1081 Год назад +4

    Hooky is killing it !❤❤❤ with the drummer , Morris, he is above the rest of the band as musicians -- Summer is good but not as good and Gilbert is almost acceptable . Still , a great band --🇬🇧

  • @helfmeyerglenn491
    @helfmeyerglenn491 Год назад +2

    Wow,,, watching this you begin to get how influential Peter Cook was on New Orders sound..... phenomenal do do dee do doop.

  • @geraldinevial7025
    @geraldinevial7025 6 лет назад +6

    Hooky est le meilleur bassiste, grand show merci messieurs

  • @GTiR23
    @GTiR23 Год назад +2

    Hooky is high as a kite, love it!

  • @StudioMYJ
    @StudioMYJ 9 месяцев назад +1

    I can't stop watching it.... :)

  • @jbdbackfan
    @jbdbackfan Год назад +3

    If only they could have it sound like this when played live today...

  • @L30x
    @L30x 3 года назад

    Great upload, thank you very much ! Regards

  • @robertobarreiro620
    @robertobarreiro620 7 лет назад +12

    Hook maestroooo!!!

  • @mikeflockmusic
    @mikeflockmusic 8 лет назад +2

    OMG I was there.....thanks for this~!

  • @morrisseyguy6811
    @morrisseyguy6811 4 года назад +9

    Imagine being young and on something watching this live...

    • @Fac323JQ
      @Fac323JQ 2 года назад +3

      I used to an still do....been watching them live for 38 yrs...they aint a touch on what they used to be live...from raw to same old sets....pity they was the bollocks back then....but I still go and what them and Hookys band...FAC383

  • @Jetsi79
    @Jetsi79 12 лет назад +5

    Jeezus....i need to have soo much new order played during my bday party!
    Don't give a damn :)

  • @LEON6017
    @LEON6017 3 года назад +5

    Genialidad que sorprende en la armonia de sonidos..

  • @KillingAnother
    @KillingAnother 13 лет назад +20

    peter hook is fuckin hot! love him!

  • @juslenjeyatharan1004
    @juslenjeyatharan1004 4 года назад +82

    I think that bass needs a cigarette.

  • @grantlynch1728
    @grantlynch1728 2 года назад +1

    thanks for sharing insane - wow just wow

  • @opnlms
    @opnlms Год назад +14

    All I gotta say is 'Peter Hook'. This is fucking timeless.

  • @FedorMachida
    @FedorMachida 3 года назад +1

    Hooky is awesome. thanks for the vid.

  • @lofihouse16
    @lofihouse16 6 месяцев назад +2

    We need “New Order” now

  • @christophergilbert1131
    @christophergilbert1131 9 лет назад +1

    Sounds Awesome. Wish I was there.

  • @johnhyatt9408
    @johnhyatt9408 7 лет назад +58

    Hooky adds dirt to an otherwise clinical song. Perfect mixture

    • @shmoker2010
      @shmoker2010 5 лет назад +10

      The fact it's clinical is a feature not a bug. I LOVE the stone cold icy syntheticness of this.

    • @fuckamericanidiot
      @fuckamericanidiot 4 года назад +2

      Grit maybe, dirt makes it sound sleazy xd

  • @meowkittens8238
    @meowkittens8238 11 лет назад +42

    Does Bernard even own pants or

  • @DomMB
    @DomMB 6 лет назад +5

    Those shorts are outrageous!

  • @AndrewInCanada99
    @AndrewInCanada99 6 лет назад +2

    That bass playing is amazingggg, fucking love hooky. Also Bernard looks so cool and stylish with the sport-short look

  • @thelonelyheadlessbassist9247
    @thelonelyheadlessbassist9247 2 года назад +7

    Ian Curtis dance on this would have been legendary ! Proof JD/NO were far far ahead of their time

  • @more_bumps_ahead
    @more_bumps_ahead 2 года назад +3

    I was 8 years old but still consider it a crime I wasn't there.

  • @RobMcAleer4
    @RobMcAleer4 4 года назад +4

    I was there. Great night

  • @jimmymurray6116
    @jimmymurray6116 3 года назад +6

    There were 2 true musicians in this Group. Love found them. Hooky and Bernard are great, but their egos were as great as well. Truth hurts sometimes. They did everything they could to tear it all apart.

  • @BOMInsights
    @BOMInsights 15 лет назад +1

    Toronto International Centre show was on August 4 1985, followed by Massey hall on Nov 26, 1986, and Nov 30, 1986 at MacMaster U (Hamilton) where they closed with Love will Tear us Apart, Sept 3, 1987 at the CNE.

  • @MI-ey3vs
    @MI-ey3vs 6 лет назад +3

    One of the Greatest 🔊🔊🔊

  • @davidbeverly6411
    @davidbeverly6411 2 года назад +9

    Sumner decided I'm going to wear shoes that in no way match the rest of what I'm wearing....

  • @thehappyone23
    @thehappyone23  11 лет назад +8

    Yeesh, I put that video up just about four years ago (it is otherwise completely unreleased, it wasn't one of the bonuses included in the 'Live In Glasgow' DVD) and people have sunk to slagging each other off in the comments? Why did I bother?

    • @thehappyone23
      @thehappyone23  Год назад

      This now appears on the "Low-life" box set...

  • @NewOrderHD
    @NewOrderHD 12 лет назад +1

    Love this!!

  • @sidneirodrigues4554
    @sidneirodrigues4554 6 лет назад +4

    Espetacular!

  • @FunCamMUSIC
    @FunCamMUSIC 6 лет назад

    Great Video!

  • @danpiedra3910
    @danpiedra3910 3 года назад +6

    Funny how Hooky comes in early at 1:28 and Stephen signals him off. I know I am getting old when Hooky speaks of how his back has taken a hit for playing so bent over by his ankles so many times.