The Avs falling to the 2017 4th overall draft pick despite having one of the worst regular season records ever prior to was a huge blessing in disguise.
He's got a style of skating that I didn't even know was really possible. I've been trying my hardest to emulate the way he skates. He never loses his momentum with the way he skates. Going backwards to make a defensive play, grabbing the puck, then attacking forward, he doesn't lose speed in his transition. On top of that he has one of the best space awareness in the game. Absolutely grateful to have him on my team. I hope we never give him up and his number is forever in our rafters.
Agreed.... #8 in the rafters at whatever the cost.... what stings, though, is the salary cap.... seriously Makar, Mackinnon and Rantanen will eat half of it... but it's worth it, so do it....
My buddy's dad scouted him when he was with the Brooks Bandits in their 2016-2017 season. I recall being at their place for dinner one night and his dad brought Cale up, he said he reminds him of Bobby Orr. I still remember what we were eating, pork tenderloin with mashed potatoes, corn and gravy. Anyways we had a good conversion about hockey, and Cale.
4:05 He single-handedly shuts down Tkachuk's scoring lane then Gaudreau's scoring lane, recovers, and catches Monahan on a leisurely stroll to the puck! Amazing!
it's absolutely insane watching that in slow motion. The amount of athleticism it takes to move your skates like that at that speed is nothing short of incredible!
I remember watching that Flames 2 on 1 live with Cale pressing the breakaway, but then seeing the pass behind him and sliding towards the puck to block the shot.. I was just so amazed at the hockey iq and skill to quickly transition with his edges so effortlessly. To top it all off once the play is broken up he quickly transitions to break out the 3 on 2 on the other end of the ice. Dude is a hockey monster, the Avs are blessed to have him.
Yeah this shift has and always will be my favourite of his since his edge work and IQ were on full display, his taking the puck up the ice in mere seconds to pass it off to rantanen for a one timer to the back of the net was epic, I celly'd hard for that goal, an absolutely amazing shift #AllHailCale #GoAvsGo
From what I’ve seen of him off the ice he seems to carry himself so well. He seems like a genuinely nice, humble guy. Reminds me very much of Lidstrom. Amazing player that any team would love to have.
So lucky to have him on the Avs, All Hail Cale! Also, great video, I actually learn a lot from these since I discovered you last year. Keep the good work up.
I always show people that exact play as an example of why Makar is IMO the best skater in the NHL. I know McDavid and Mackinnon are probably faster but nobody looks as smoothly effortless as Makar (with Miro Heiskanen is a close second.)
Not only that but this move was made during the Lake Tahoe game where the ice was a fucking mess. The Avs and Knights were skating on at best flaky ice and at worst slush. And to have the ability to skate like that, in that kind of contitions, is truly special.
Coming back to watch this video a year later it is crazy how much more energetic and insightful he has gotten over the past year in videos. Dosent even sound like the same person, and I mean that in the best way possible!
There will never be another Orr. When Makar was home waiting to get drafted, Orr had completed his 3rd season, winning the Calder, 2 Norris Trophies. At 21 ? Orr won the Norris, Ross, Smythe, Hart, Stanley Cup, Plus Minus Winner AND was the only NHL Player with over 100 Points that season. Orr did all of that in a single season, age 21. You need more ? Orr lead the NHL in Plus / Minus a record (6) times. In those 6 seasons his AVERAGE plus / minus per season was a +80. That is not a misprint. +80 average ! You simply had to be there.
This has to be one of my favorite channels. I can’t express enough how much I enjoy your videos. Every single one of them opens my eyes or teaches me stuff I would never know about and would want to know.
Been a subscriber since the beginning but wanted to say how much the quality of your vids have improved. I like the short form breakdowns but I love the ones where you take a deep dive like this. Excited for this season!
@@519Goats Blues surprisingly have a great track record of neutralizing Makar actually, in the 2022 series we held him to zero goals and one assist in six games, made me think he was overrated until I saw him play in more games XD
Yup, and being #4 was fantastic for me as an Avs fan. Started watching hockey in 96’ at 13yrs old. Perfect time to get into it right? Haha.. won a cup first year I watched, first year in Colorado. Rivalry vs redwings was epic. I know it tough for a d man to go first overall but he’s a clear standout of a case where it should have happened. Fun to watch. And tonight they’re matched up vs the blackhawks and Connor B. Should be exciting to watch Cale defend against him…
@@AvsFan32 sure, he’s 18 freaking years old. And!!!, he’s 4 games into his pro career ffs!!… god hahaha…Worst case he’s a point per game top liner… best case? Pulls a decade of current Connor McDaddy stats out his ass…
@@AvsFan32Bedard has a few years to go before he becomes a true superstar. Might be a situation similar to Jack Hughes, who I was wondering when he would truly breakout, and just when I began giving up on him, Hughes broke through last year.
There are a lot of people who try to downplay Makar, and say that he's over hyped for dumb reasons like being Canadian, or playing on the Avs with Mackinnon. But in reality, the things he does are unlike any other player in the league. He's the best overall skater in the league and he does things that no other defenseman are capable of. Not to mention he isn't one dimensional like a lot of the other defenseman who put up similar point totals. He is a top 3 player in the league by far. He is so unbelievable to watch.
I used to go into the Boston Garden to watch Orr & Company play in the 60's/70's. I have been lucky to see Makar play. The unavoidable issue with this comparison is that there is 50+ years between them. The biggest complaint that I have with highlight reels is that they are, well, just that. To see the greatness in any ice hockey player is to watch them without the puck. The subtle moves, the constant thinking two or three plays ahead; that is what separates the Orr's and the Makar's from the rest.
Agreed. I think it's unfair to compare Makar to Orr given completely different eras and talent levels. We will never know how Orr would fair in today's game.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028Not possible. How many kids wanted to skate like Orr? How many kids want to skate like Makar? What does it look like in 20 years? The game and the league changes all the time (not only "evolve"). Player skill rises, rules changes, players adapt, repeat.
I'm a huge Orr fan and have heard comparisons to him for decades. None of them came close to Orr's skating with his separation speed and ability to change cadence. Makar does. This is a great video with excellent analysis. Thanks!
Cale Makar has played 414 games fewer than Bobby Orr. Also trails him by 663 points. In order to catch up with Bobby Orr, Makar would need to score at a 1.601449 point per game pace for his next 414 games (a little more than 5 seasons) Cale Makar is about to turn 25 years old. Entering the 5 year window of his prime and there is no shot he passes Orr's mark. He would have to have 5 131 point seasons and then start the next year off with 8 points in 5 games. To summarize Orr was a monster.
I'd say this is a great analysis of the full scope of Makar's general ability and how the game is now compared to the age of these kinds of offensive defensemen. The fact two teams passed him over in the draft astonishes me and confuses me even now, and the Avs are certainly lucky to have him, especially with the roster going left and right and Landy presumably out for good. Keep the good work up; I really learn a lot about hockey from these vids.
The reason he fell in the draft is based solely on the route he took. Taking a player 4th overall from the AJHL is completely unheard of. It would be considered a stretch that someone from the AJHL would even go in the 1st round, let alone 4th overall. But the scouts who watched him in Brooks sure were right on his ability. Because the next season he played for UMAS and was unbelievable there too. I remember watching the draft and when the Avs took him 4th from Brooks thinking, wow I better keep tabs on this kid, he must be pretty good if hes getting picked this high coming from the AJHL? Mackinnon recently had a funny and somewhat harsh quote about it as well. He said something along the lines of. "When we took him 4th I thought. He better be good because those guys (AJHL players) suck."
@@Hartwell10 Dang, I wish I read more into Cale's pre-draft route. That's a lot of information that makes perfect sense; thanks for all of that to clarify my half-formed point.
As a Orr fan, (saw him at age 8 w/ Black Hawks) and a massive Red Wins fan, never thought Orr & Lidstrom would be matched, except by Bourque, who quit in 01! I too, was wrong. Cale blew my mind in his first year and wowed me!
This, along with all of the videos you produce, are sincerely top notch. One of my favorite channels to watch! Any chance you could soon do a video on the bruins current situation, and maybe predictions if that your thing? Would love to see a breakdown and and your perspective on them right now.
I met him the night he won the Baker trophy. Umass beat Denver in OT, Makar wins player of the year, we lose to the skating trees of Minn Duluth and the next day he signs his contract skates with his new team and scores that first goal.
I've been lucky enough to see (live) both Bobby Orr and Cale Maker play in their respective NHL home rinks. I just hope that Cale's career is not cut off short with injuries as Bobby's was.
4:07 idk if you did this on purpose but I think the way you were saying that the flames were doing good plays just adds so much to the video and showing makars talent
Good thing for Makar, he'll never have to undergo "exploratory surgery" as Bobby did. Had Orr played as long as any of those others the career numbers would have been insane.
He also didn't play against guys that were 6'4 240lbs skating at 15-20mph... and half the league was complete dog shit lol love bobby but let's not pretend that guys aren't bigger, faster, and stronger now then they were in 1970 lol
Doesn't hurt to have McKinnon in the same line...drawing players away from Cale and visa versa. I was too young to appreciate old NHL players. Ray Bourqe and Blake were awesome too... but Orr was on another level!
Cale is a stud, thanks for the analysis. Despite having a few oopsies this season, I think his defending is underrated. Everyone remembers that he had a ton of points against the Oilers in the '22 playoffs, but what I found even more impressive was his (and Toewes) ability to shut down McDavid and his line. He doesn't throw big hits often, but he sure can when he wants to.
Bobby Orr was playing in an era where the scoring was lower than right now. Comparing Makar to Orr is crazy to me. Orr had 8 Norris in a row, 2 Art Ross, 3 Hart trophies, 2 Conn Smythes and 2 Stanley Cups. I also doubt that he wins 7 Norris trophies like Lidstrom. Makar is amazing but he's not a top 3 defenseman all time.
Bobby Orr was 22 years old when he set this record, 2 years younger than Makar currently. While it's extremely impressive what Makar has done, it's still more impressive how good Bobby Orr actually was in the Era he played.
I remember watching that first game Cale was in for the Avs during the playoffs. His parents barely made it to the rink for the game because of a passport fiasco. He had just won the college hockey Hobby Baker award. Played his last college game 3 days prior. His first shift on the ice in the NHL he scores. His parents were in tears of joy. I was an instant fan!
Love how at 4:05 you just casually choose not to mention that the two guys Makar is defending are Matthew Tkachuk and Johnny Gaudreau... to pull that move against *any* NHL forward is impressive, let alone two perennial All-Stars. Great video, good analysis.
Bobby Orr: 657 Games Played, 270 Goals, 645 Assists, 924 Points, five 30-goal seasons (as a defenceman), six straight 100-point seasons, 9-Time All-Star, 2 Stanley Cups, 2-Time Conn Smythe Winner, Calder Trophy Winner, 8-Time Norris Trophy Winner (in a row) 3-Time Hart Trophy Winner (in a row), 2-Time Art Ross Trophy Winner, Lester B. Pearson Award Winner (Ted Lindsay Award Winner). Bobby Orr is the only defenceman in NHL history to lead the league in scoring. One of only two defenseman to win the Hart Trophy more than once (Eddie Shore being the other, [he won it four times]). Do not say that Makar is better than Bobby Orr until Makar has played his final NHL game
Thank you! I feel like every time that I tell people that Cale Makar is the first defenseman truly on Bobby Orr's level, they look at me like I've lost my mind. Obviously he's still got miles to go to prove his consistency. I think the next mile stone has to be the 100pt season. Even 5 years ago, I'd say that wasn't really feasible, but since then Josi and Karlsson have show it can happen in today's game, and I really hope we get to see him do it.
Quinn Hughes says hello. More points than any of those guys in fewer games except Makar. They're all amazing but it's going to be Hughes and Makar at the top this generation.
Agree with everything, but I watched Brian Leetch as a kid and he was just as amazing. Point per game over a long career, a strong defender, and absolutely dominated the ‘94 playoffs.
I think it should be considered that Orr and guys played against dudes that thought smoking cigarettes and drinking beers all day where as Makar is doing this against extremely conditioned athletes every night. I'm not going to say Makar is better, his career will decide that but he absolutely plays against harder competition day in and day out and yet he is revolutionizing the game in 2023
Makar is amazing that he is beating those modern day goalies with better GAAs, bigger bodies/protection, better athleticism, and most of all better skills.
Makar also has better skates, better stick, better trainers and better gym than the old timers. Go ahead and take a look at a picture of Bobby Orr's skates.
Makar is definitely the 2nd best player in the league. Behind only mcdavid he is the absolute cornerstone anyteam would ever want on their team. He makes any situation on the rink dangerous just with his presence. good times ahead for cale.
I have him above McDavid personally at #1 🤷🏻♂️ He has a far better all around game, is the GOAT of scoring at his position so far, and gets the best of McDavid in all of their matchups on an individual level
I remember watching Bobby Orr play. His first three years weren't that productive. He had 135 points in 174 games during those years. In years 4 through 9 he had 734 points in 447 games. I'm a huge Makar fan and he has gotten off to a better career start than Orr, but it's hard to imagine him putting up 6 straight seasons of more than 100 points each season or doing it in as many games as Orr did. I think that if Makar remains healthy he can top Orr's 915 career points.
Orr didnt have to shoot against 6'6" goalies with massive pads, there was no butterfly in Orr's era, save percentages were miles lower than today, and on the other side of that Orr's equipment and medical science were considerably worse, comparing different eras players purely based on point totals is never going to look good for any modern player
Makar is a master class on the ice .Makes difficulty look easy .i was a baby when Bobby Orr won his cup but to see . Paul coffee .Nick Lidstrom ,Brian Leetch .
Makar may be the first d man to 250 points, but that will be the last time he is the first to any more point records. Look I love Makar, but Bobby Orr shifted into another gear starting in his fourth year that will NEVER be matched by anyone.
The guy is truly amazing to watch. Guys like him, Mackinnon, McDavid, Mathews, sometimes it's like watching a video game be played instead of real life. 😂
Orr also got his start in an era when the Average goalie had a good save Percentage, only the bottom two teams having starters below .900. The save percentages were pretty solid till the 1972 Expansion, then the inflation began. Then the 80s hit and a .900 save percentage was an endangered species. Makar is having as close as it gets to Orr's prime, but like Orr, stuff can end real fast, I hope it doesn't happen to him either.
4:20 won't impress casuals but for those who understand how that play started and the way Makar got into position to get into a defensive posture realize how much skill and speed that it required.
It says a lot about a team when you have a top 2 forward(MacKinnon and McDavid are both beasts but rn MacKinnon in this season is without an argument more consistent and better. It may change in the future though so... yeah), an arguably the best modern era defenseman and the highest TOI goaltender with almost .9 SV%. Avs are stacked and possibly the main Stanley Cup contenders this season.
The critical difference between Orr/Makar and the others is they are dominant in their own end. McInnes was the closest to those two, but after him, it's a gargantuan chasm to the next best scoring defenseman in his own end.
The goaltending and defense is much better today than at Bobby Orr's time. He would have a harder time scoring today than he did in this time. That doesn't mean he wouldn't still be a great defenseman, just not as much as a standout. Nevertheless he revolutionized hockey.
Maybe too late, and often overlooked. But, can you mention something about how maybe Sandis Ozolinch may have had an impact. He was a powerful 2 way defenseman. Also wore #8 for Colorado.
I'll grant you Makar's GAME is probably the closest thing we've seen to Orr. He IS fantastic. But he's still not Orr. Orr was more dominant in his era than McDavid is now. Orr made everyone else in the NHL look like minor leaguers.
The Avs falling to the 2017 4th overall draft pick despite having one of the worst regular season records ever prior to was a huge blessing in disguise.
Wouldn’t change anything
@@liamahlborg2647 Absolutely would have, Avs are on the record that they had had him slotted at 4.
He's got a style of skating that I didn't even know was really possible. I've been trying my hardest to emulate the way he skates. He never loses his momentum with the way he skates. Going backwards to make a defensive play, grabbing the puck, then attacking forward, he doesn't lose speed in his transition. On top of that he has one of the best space awareness in the game. Absolutely grateful to have him on my team. I hope we never give him up and his number is forever in our rafters.
Opening your hips and shin angle helps with keeping momentum at a standstill, I've been very close to emulating what these smooth skating players do.
It’s unreal. Everyone here in CO tries to emulate his lateral and backwards skating, It’s not possible lol
Agreed.... #8 in the rafters at whatever the cost.... what stings, though, is the salary cap.... seriously Makar, Mackinnon and Rantanen will eat half of it... but it's worth it, so do it....
My buddy's dad scouted him when he was with the Brooks Bandits in their 2016-2017 season. I recall being at their place for dinner one night and his dad brought Cale up, he said he reminds him of Bobby Orr. I still remember what we were eating, pork tenderloin with mashed potatoes, corn and gravy. Anyways we had a good conversion about hockey, and Cale.
That 2 on 1 defensive play was one of the best things ive seen in hockey
Not to mention that's two all stars attacking him...
4:05 He single-handedly shuts down Tkachuk's scoring lane then Gaudreau's scoring lane, recovers, and catches Monahan on a leisurely stroll to the puck! Amazing!
it's absolutely insane watching that in slow motion. The amount of athleticism it takes to move your skates like that at that speed is nothing short of incredible!
Yea...we saw it...
The way he uses his force of his leg to get back there is breathtaking
I remember watching that Flames 2 on 1 live with Cale pressing the breakaway, but then seeing the pass behind him and sliding towards the puck to block the shot.. I was just so amazed at the hockey iq and skill to quickly transition with his edges so effortlessly. To top it all off once the play is broken up he quickly transitions to break out the 3 on 2 on the other end of the ice. Dude is a hockey monster, the Avs are blessed to have him.
Yeah this shift has and always will be my favourite of his since his edge work and IQ were on full display, his taking the puck up the ice in mere seconds to pass it off to rantanen for a one timer to the back of the net was epic, I celly'd hard for that goal, an absolutely amazing shift #AllHailCale #GoAvsGo
From what I’ve seen of him off the ice he seems to carry himself so well. He seems like a genuinely nice, humble guy. Reminds me very much of Lidstrom. Amazing player that any team would love to have.
Wait until you hear about the World Juniors…
@@evandahl1133makar is one of the players on that team that wasn’t involved. All 8 responsible players were CHL players and Makar played in the NCAA
So lucky to have him on the Avs, All Hail Cale! Also, great video, I actually learn a lot from these since I discovered you last year. Keep the good work up.
Love hearing that!
The move at 3:01 is insane… always like how you don’t just include the goals
I always show people that exact play as an example of why Makar is IMO the best skater in the NHL. I know McDavid and Mackinnon are probably faster but nobody looks as smoothly effortless as Makar (with Miro Heiskanen is a close second.)
The fact that he's doing it going backwards is just bonkers.
Most beautiful move in hockey I have ever seen.
And that was the outdoor game that had to be delayed due to sketchy ice. Incredible edges.
Not only that but this move was made during the Lake Tahoe game where the ice was a fucking mess. The Avs and Knights were skating on at best flaky ice and at worst slush. And to have the ability to skate like that, in that kind of contitions, is truly special.
Coming back to watch this video a year later it is crazy how much more energetic and insightful he has gotten over the past year in videos.
Dosent even sound like the same person, and I mean that in the best way possible!
Makar just makes everything look so smooth & effortless (like his pivot to shake the winger @3:01), it's like everything seems so easy for him.
There will never be another Orr. When Makar was home waiting to get drafted, Orr had completed his 3rd season, winning the Calder, 2 Norris Trophies. At 21 ? Orr won the Norris, Ross, Smythe, Hart, Stanley Cup, Plus Minus Winner AND was the only NHL Player with over 100 Points that season. Orr did all of that in a single season, age 21.
You need more ? Orr lead the NHL in Plus / Minus a record (6) times. In those 6 seasons his AVERAGE plus / minus per season was a +80. That is not a misprint. +80 average ! You simply had to be there.
Over his career Makar will be one of if not the best offensive defensemen we've ever seen
This has to be one of my favorite channels. I can’t express enough how much I enjoy your videos. Every single one of them opens my eyes or teaches me stuff I would never know about and would want to know.
Been a subscriber since the beginning but wanted to say how much the quality of your vids have improved. I like the short form breakdowns but I love the ones where you take a deep dive like this. Excited for this season!
Thanks for sticking around! Enjoy doing these longer ones
As a Blues fan, Orr gives me generational PTSD
As an Avs fan I hope Makar does now too ..
@@519Goats Blues surprisingly have a great track record of neutralizing Makar actually, in the 2022 series we held him to zero goals and one assist in six games, made me think he was overrated until I saw him play in more games XD
Blues fan? What a Nordiques logo?
@@GregR9712 I’m a complicated individual
@@TheOriginalTuhatlol
Yup, and being #4 was fantastic for me as an Avs fan. Started watching hockey in 96’ at 13yrs old. Perfect time to get into it right? Haha.. won a cup first year I watched, first year in Colorado. Rivalry vs redwings was epic. I know it tough for a d man to go first overall but he’s a clear standout of a case where it should have happened. Fun to watch. And tonight they’re matched up vs the blackhawks and Connor B. Should be exciting to watch Cale defend against him…
Bedard still hasn’t broken through yet, except for one goal. From what I’ve seen it’s going to be awhile for him to start peaking in this league.
@@AvsFan32 sure, he’s 18 freaking years old. And!!!, he’s 4 games into his pro career ffs!!… god hahaha…Worst case he’s a point per game top liner… best case? Pulls a decade of current Connor McDaddy stats out his ass…
@@AvsFan32Bedard has a few years to go before he becomes a true superstar. Might be a situation similar to Jack Hughes, who I was wondering when he would truly breakout, and just when I began giving up on him, Hughes broke through last year.
Fantastic breakdown of his play and impact on the game. This has quickly become my favorite hockey channel.
Bruh, your videos are so fucking good. They're like mini specials you'd see on TV
There are a lot of people who try to downplay Makar, and say that he's over hyped for dumb reasons like being Canadian, or playing on the Avs with Mackinnon. But in reality, the things he does are unlike any other player in the league. He's the best overall skater in the league and he does things that no other defenseman are capable of. Not to mention he isn't one dimensional like a lot of the other defenseman who put up similar point totals. He is a top 3 player in the league by far. He is so unbelievable to watch.
I used to go into the Boston Garden to watch Orr & Company play in the 60's/70's. I have been lucky to see Makar play. The unavoidable issue with this comparison is that there is 50+ years between them. The biggest complaint that I have with highlight reels is that they are, well, just that. To see the greatness in any ice hockey player is to watch them without the puck. The subtle moves, the constant thinking two or three plays ahead; that is what separates the Orr's and the Makar's from the rest.
Agreed. I think it's unfair to compare Makar to Orr given completely different eras and talent levels. We will never know how Orr would fair in today's game.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028Not possible. How many kids wanted to skate like Orr? How many kids want to skate like Makar? What does it look like in 20 years?
The game and the league changes all the time (not only "evolve"). Player skill rises, rules changes, players adapt, repeat.
I'm a huge Orr fan and have heard comparisons to him for decades. None of them came close to Orr's skating with his separation speed and ability to change cadence.
Makar does.
This is a great video with excellent analysis. Thanks!
Cale Makar has played 414 games fewer than Bobby Orr. Also trails him by 663 points.
In order to catch up with Bobby Orr, Makar would need to score at a 1.601449 point per game pace for his next 414 games (a little more than 5 seasons)
Cale Makar is about to turn 25 years old. Entering the 5 year window of his prime and there is no shot he passes Orr's mark. He would have to have 5 131 point seasons and then start the next year off with 8 points in 5 games.
To summarize Orr was a monster.
Love this; Bobby Orr and Cale Makar, my favorite historical player and current player, since I'm a defenseman. So cool to see this history being made!
I dressed up as Bobby Orr for Halloween when I was in 4 th grade.
never seen the clip @4:07 before, but man that is just mind boggling. Jaw just hit the floor, he's by far the most dominant player on his edges.
Remember 3 teams passed on him... Colorado was 4th and every one of these 3 teams are kicking themselves and as an avs fan I couldn't be more happier
I'd say this is a great analysis of the full scope of Makar's general ability and how the game is now compared to the age of these kinds of offensive defensemen. The fact two teams passed him over in the draft astonishes me and confuses me even now, and the Avs are certainly lucky to have him, especially with the roster going left and right and Landy presumably out for good.
Keep the good work up; I really learn a lot about hockey from these vids.
The reason he fell in the draft is based solely on the route he took. Taking a player 4th overall from the AJHL is completely unheard of. It would be considered a stretch that someone from the AJHL would even go in the 1st round, let alone 4th overall. But the scouts who watched him in Brooks sure were right on his ability. Because the next season he played for UMAS and was unbelievable there too. I remember watching the draft and when the Avs took him 4th from Brooks thinking, wow I better keep tabs on this kid, he must be pretty good if hes getting picked this high coming from the AJHL? Mackinnon recently had a funny and somewhat harsh quote about it as well. He said something along the lines of. "When we took him 4th I thought. He better be good because those guys (AJHL players) suck."
@@Hartwell10 Dang, I wish I read more into Cale's pre-draft route. That's a lot of information that makes perfect sense; thanks for all of that to clarify my half-formed point.
As a Orr fan, (saw him at age 8 w/ Black Hawks) and a massive Red Wins fan, never thought Orr & Lidstrom would be matched, except by Bourque, who quit in 01! I too, was wrong. Cale blew my mind in his first year and wowed me!
GREAT JOB! Ur videos are virtual analyzations
This, along with all of the videos you produce, are sincerely top notch. One of my favorite channels to watch!
Any chance you could soon do a video on the bruins current situation, and maybe predictions if that your thing? Would love to see a breakdown and and your perspective on them right now.
watch Quinn Hughes as well.... these 2 are incredible and changing the game
Yep, Hughes is very impressive.
Let's gooo, a video appreciating all-time great players and not just your favorite Canadian team. More of this in the media please
I met him the night he won the Baker trophy.
Umass beat Denver in OT, Makar wins player of the year, we lose to the skating trees of Minn Duluth and the next day he signs his contract skates with his new team and scores that first goal.
Imagine where he'd be at stats-wise without the pandemic and injuries. He's missed 70+ games already in his short career. Cale is unreal.
Thta defensive play at 4:05 is one the bests have seen, flat out neutralized a 2-1 chance
I've been lucky enough to see (live) both Bobby Orr and Cale Maker play in their respective NHL home rinks. I just hope that Cale's career is not cut off short with injuries as Bobby's was.
This was an awesome video, I can't argue with your perspective on anything you had to say. Great job 👍.
4:07 idk if you did this on purpose but I think the way you were saying that the flames were doing good plays just adds so much to the video and showing makars talent
Good thing for Makar, he'll never have to undergo "exploratory surgery" as Bobby did. Had Orr played as long as any of those others the career numbers would have been insane.
Bobby played when Men still played and were Allowed to play Hockey not Don't hit the Star players !!!
He also didn't play against guys that were 6'4 240lbs skating at 15-20mph... and half the league was complete dog shit lol love bobby but let's not pretend that guys aren't bigger, faster, and stronger now then they were in 1970 lol
Doesn't hurt to have McKinnon in the same line...drawing players away from Cale and visa versa. I was too young to appreciate old NHL players. Ray Bourqe and Blake were awesome too... but Orr was on another level!
Mack and Makar are such a dynamic duo, along with Moose, Valeri and Toews. just scary to play against
As gifted as Makar is, seeing him lay out Staal was extremely satisfying.
Cale is a stud, thanks for the analysis. Despite having a few oopsies this season, I think his defending is underrated. Everyone remembers that he had a ton of points against the Oilers in the '22 playoffs, but what I found even more impressive was his (and Toewes) ability to shut down McDavid and his line. He doesn't throw big hits often, but he sure can when he wants to.
Bobby Orr was playing in an era where the scoring was lower than right now. Comparing Makar to Orr is crazy to me. Orr had 8 Norris in a row, 2 Art Ross, 3 Hart trophies, 2 Conn Smythes and 2 Stanley Cups. I also doubt that he wins 7 Norris trophies like Lidstrom. Makar is amazing but he's not a top 3 defenseman all time.
He will be top 3 when it's said and done if he's healthy.
That OT goal on the Blackhawks lives in my head rent free
Bobby Orr was 22 years old when he set this record, 2 years younger than Makar currently. While it's extremely impressive what Makar has done, it's still more impressive how good Bobby Orr actually was in the Era he played.
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I remember watching that first game Cale was in for the Avs during the playoffs. His parents barely made it to the rink for the game because of a passport fiasco. He had just won the college hockey Hobby Baker award. Played his last college game 3 days prior. His first shift on the ice in the NHL he scores. His parents were in tears of joy. I was an instant fan!
Love how at 4:05 you just casually choose not to mention that the two guys Makar is defending are Matthew Tkachuk and Johnny Gaudreau... to pull that move against *any* NHL forward is impressive, let alone two perennial All-Stars. Great video, good analysis.
Best defenseman since Orr
I agree Makar is the most exiting defense I've seen since the 80's
Bobby Orr: 657 Games Played, 270 Goals, 645 Assists, 924 Points, five 30-goal seasons (as a defenceman), six straight 100-point seasons, 9-Time All-Star, 2 Stanley Cups, 2-Time Conn Smythe Winner, Calder Trophy Winner, 8-Time Norris Trophy Winner (in a row) 3-Time Hart Trophy Winner (in a row), 2-Time Art Ross Trophy Winner, Lester B. Pearson Award Winner (Ted Lindsay Award Winner). Bobby Orr is the only defenceman in NHL history to lead the league in scoring. One of only two defenseman to win the Hart Trophy more than once (Eddie Shore being the other, [he won it four times]). Do not say that Makar is better than Bobby Orr until Makar has played his final NHL game
Great call on the footwork! Thanks picking that edgework sequence, pretty. Hope we get years of him healthy.
Makar went from College Frozen Four Championship game to Post Season Avalanche Cup run in the SAME season...and held his own. That's bananas.
Quinn Hughes also made 150 points in few games
Thank you! I feel like every time that I tell people that Cale Makar is the first defenseman truly on Bobby Orr's level, they look at me like I've lost my mind. Obviously he's still got miles to go to prove his consistency. I think the next mile stone has to be the 100pt season. Even 5 years ago, I'd say that wasn't really feasible, but since then Josi and Karlsson have show it can happen in today's game, and I really hope we get to see him do it.
@2:46 it looks like Makar went for the post hit fist bump with Colton
Watching Makar, Dahlin and Heiskanen the next ten years is gunna be a blast. They're revolutionizing the game.
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Quinn Hughes says hello. More points than any of those guys in fewer games except Makar. They're all amazing but it's going to be Hughes and Makar at the top this generation.
That 1 on 2 defensive play was beautiful to watch
Great analysis
Thanks for watching!
Glad Makar, MacKinnon, and Rantannen are finally getting some respect.
Mikko sure doesn't get the respect imo. He scored 55 goals last year and still gets overlooked.
Agree with everything, but I watched Brian Leetch as a kid and he was just as amazing. Point per game over a long career, a strong defender, and absolutely dominated the ‘94 playoffs.
I think it should be considered that Orr and guys played against dudes that thought smoking cigarettes and drinking beers all day where as Makar is doing this against extremely conditioned athletes every night. I'm not going to say Makar is better, his career will decide that but he absolutely plays against harder competition day in and day out and yet he is revolutionizing the game in 2023
You don't even mention Orr's greatest achievement.... he was a plus 124 in 1970-71. That's insane when you look at player plus minus stats now.
Makar is amazing that he is beating those modern day goalies with better GAAs, bigger bodies/protection, better athleticism, and most of all better skills.
Makar also has better skates, better stick, better trainers and better gym than the old timers. Go ahead and take a look at a picture of Bobby Orr's skates.
Makar is definitely the 2nd best player in the league. Behind only mcdavid he is the absolute cornerstone anyteam would ever want on their team. He makes any situation on the rink dangerous just with his presence. good times ahead for cale.
I have him above McDavid personally at #1 🤷🏻♂️ He has a far better all around game, is the GOAT of scoring at his position so far, and gets the best of McDavid in all of their matchups on an individual level
I remember watching Bobby Orr play. His first three years weren't that productive. He had 135 points in 174 games during those years. In years 4 through 9 he had 734 points in 447 games. I'm a huge Makar fan and he has gotten off to a better career start than Orr, but it's hard to imagine him putting up 6 straight seasons of more than 100 points each season or doing it in as many games as Orr did. I think that if Makar remains healthy he can top Orr's 915 career points.
Orr didnt have to shoot against 6'6" goalies with massive pads, there was no butterfly in Orr's era, save percentages were miles lower than today, and on the other side of that Orr's equipment and medical science were considerably worse, comparing different eras players purely based on point totals is never going to look good for any modern player
Makar is a master class on the ice .Makes difficulty look easy .i was a baby when Bobby Orr won his cup but to see . Paul coffee .Nick Lidstrom ,Brian Leetch .
Makar may be the first d man to 250 points, but that will be the last time he is the first to any more point records. Look I love Makar, but Bobby Orr shifted into another gear starting in his fourth year that will NEVER be matched by anyone.
Calgary Boy! Always welcome home Cale.
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Hey I left LOVE your vids, Keep up the good work buddy❤(can you make a video on knowing where to shoot on a goalie? I have trouble with that thanks❤)
Games didn't go into OT when Orr played. Makar has 11 points in OT so Makar really didn't break Orr's fastest to 250 points record.
I really enjoy watching him play!!
The guy is truly amazing to watch. Guys like him, Mackinnon, McDavid, Mathews, sometimes it's like watching a video game be played instead of real life. 😂
Great video! What you forgot to mention is that he lives rent free in Seattle Kraken fan's heads. 🤣🤣
Ohhhhhhhhh! Hahah! That was awesome!😂
How? They beat him
@@hiwifi4898He got suspended for a clean hit on one of their guys in the playoffs last year. Kraken fans still boo him.
The Slurpee Assassin
4:56 that’s a list of generational talents he’s beating
Orr also got his start in an era when the Average goalie had a good save Percentage, only the bottom two teams having starters below .900. The save percentages were pretty solid till the 1972 Expansion, then the inflation began. Then the 80s hit and a .900 save percentage was an endangered species. Makar is having as close as it gets to Orr's prime, but like Orr, stuff can end real fast, I hope it doesn't happen to him either.
4:20 won't impress casuals but for those who understand how that play started and the way Makar got into position to get into a defensive posture realize how much skill and speed that it required.
You're nuts!!!
Right now, I watch every game just to see Makar skate.
Cale Makar is the sole reason I want to play defense in beer league. Cale should make every kid on the come up want to play defense.
Been watching hockey since the early 90s, and I have to admit that Makar is the best comparison to Orr in my lifetime.
all hail cale forever
Seeing Bobby Orr skate like that back then, he really was a "modern" player taking advantage of what looks like Beer League players.
It says a lot about a team when you have a top 2 forward(MacKinnon and McDavid are both beasts but rn MacKinnon in this season is without an argument more consistent and better. It may change in the future though so... yeah), an arguably the best modern era defenseman and the highest TOI goaltender with almost .9 SV%. Avs are stacked and possibly the main Stanley Cup contenders this season.
The critical difference between Orr/Makar and the others is they are dominant in their own end. McInnes was the closest to those two, but after him, it's a gargantuan chasm to the next best scoring defenseman in his own end.
And he seems like a nice guy as well, I get Zach Hyman level vibes.
Bobby Orr, Paul Coffee, Larry Robinson....IMO, these 3 are the best in hisrory
The goaltending and defense is much better today than at Bobby Orr's time. He would have a harder time scoring today than he did in this time. That doesn't mean he wouldn't still be a great defenseman, just not as much as a standout. Nevertheless he revolutionized hockey.
Great work psychology guy!
Without a doubt the 2nd Greatest Defenseman in history.
Maybe too late, and often overlooked. But, can you mention something about how maybe Sandis Ozolinch may have had an impact. He was a powerful 2 way defenseman. Also wore #8 for Colorado.
I'll grant you Makar's GAME is probably the closest thing we've seen to Orr. He IS fantastic. But he's still not Orr. Orr was more dominant in his era than McDavid is now. Orr made everyone else in the NHL look like minor leaguers.
Great player nice vid
We need to stop calling Orr a defenseman. He was a winger playing on the blue line.
Couldn't be further from the truth. He was amazing defensively.
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Can you make a video on brayden point
Quinn Hughes gotta be right up there with
Wish I could have seen Orr play.
One of the greatest draft picks ever. Like Bossy at #20
Can’t stop thinking about some dude saying that Makar is a defensive liability
I really believe he is the best player in the NHL and I'm not even an Avs fan. The dude is a freak