The Pre-diamper liturgy of Kerala Christians was not Antiocan but it was a proved truth that East syrian. That's Adai Mari liturgy and the bishops were sent from Persia and administrations were done by the archdicons. They were based in Kuravilangadu and led the community called St.Thomas Christians. The only remady to solve the present despute is to accept all the churches who claim St. Thomas tradition has to accept the East syrian liturgy and traditions.
ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റ പേരും പറഞ്ഞു മനുഷന്റ് താല്പര്യവും സാർതതെയും അനുസരിച്ചു ആചാരങ്ങളും വിശ്വാസങ്ങളിൽ ഭേദഗ്തിചെയ്തും നിലവിലുള്ള സഭാവിഭാഗങ്ങളിൽ ഏതാണ് സത്യസഭ, സകലരും പറയുന്നു ഞങ്ങളാണ് ശെരി. എല്ലാ മതസത്തെരും പറയുന്നു ഞങ്ങളുടെ മതമാണ് ശെരി എന്നു പറയുന്നത് പോലെയല്ലേ?
An excellent, briefed ( 1st Century to till today) historical events of Christianity formation in Kerala which has been linked with Rev Fr Dr.O.Thomas latest speech. Well researched speech. My prayers to Mr.Shibu.
*The Chronicle of Seert is a historical document compiled in the Middle Ages. In this Chronicle, the Church in India is mentioned along with the history of Persian Church and the Patriarchs (Catholicoi) of Babylon. It also states that during the reigns of Shahlufa and Papa bar Aggai as the heads of Persian Church, the Persian bishop David of Basra preached the Gospel in India.[6] Some historians' records regarding the participation of Bishop John representing Persia and India as the Bishop of the all of Persia and Greater India in the first Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in 325 A. D. remains a matter of contention among historians.* *Ishodad was a famous Bible scholar who lived in Persia in the 5th century. In his commentary on the Epistle to Romans, a note is scribbled in the margin that may be translated as: This article is translated by Mar Komai with the help of Daniel, an Indian priest, from Greek to Syriac. This statement reveals the connection between the Indian priest Daniel and the Persian bishop Mar Komai* .
This is the problem with all the Indian church historians. The chronicle of Seert does not say explicitly Kerala, it says India. India in the medieval period means the region beyond river Indus or Sindhu river , ie., the present day Pakistan and portions of Afganistan. So please try to understand the history correctly.
മാർത്തോമ്മാ നസ്രാണ്ടികളുടെ പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനി (കൽദായ ) സഭയുമായുള്ള ബന്ധം നമ്മുക്ക് നിക്ഷേധിക്കാനാവില്ല. കാരണം പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനിയിലെ ചില പ്രയോഗങ്ങൾ ഇന്നും മലങ്കര സഭയിൽ തുടരുന്നുണ്ട്. ഉദാഹരണത്തിനു ; അന്ത്യോക്യൻ സുറിയാനിയിൽ (West Syrian) 'കുർബാനൊ' യെന്നും , 'മോർ' എന്നും പറയുമ്പോൾ പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനിയിൽ 'കുർബാന' യെന്നും 'മാർ' യെന്നും പറയുന്നു. അതുപോലെ തന്നെ പഴയ മാർത്തോമ്മ കുരിശിലെ പഹലവി ലിപികളും മറ്റും പേർഷ്യയിലേയും ഏദേസയിലേയും ബാബിലോണിലുമുണ്ടായിരുന്ന പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനി(നെസ്തോറിയൻ) സഭയുമായി കണക്ട് ചെയ്യുന്നു.
Well said we are Mar Thoma christians existing from 1st century.The Portuguese bishop and his associates spoiled all our historical records and they claim that they are pazhaya koottukar,and call us puthen koottukar.Actually we the Syrians christians or the malankara christians are pazhaya koottukar.Since they had money and muscle power,they over ruled us.Still now ,we,the orthodox Christians fight each other and becoming a laughing stock to those who really destroyed us.Let us pray for the unity of malankara church.
ഉദയംപേരൂർ സൂനഹദോസിന് മുൻപുള്ള മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ ആരാധനാക്രമം നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആയിരുന്നു. ആ ആരാധനാക്രമം ഇന്ന് ആകെ പാലിക്കുന്നത് കേരളത്തിലെ സിറോ മലബാർ സഭയും കൽദായ സഭയുമാണ്. ഇനി മലങ്കര സഭയിൽ നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമം ഇല്ലായിരുന്നെങ്കിൽ പിന്നെയെവിടുന്നു കേരളത്തിലെ ഏറ്റവും വലിയ നസ്രാണി സഭയായ സിറോ മലബാർ സഭയ്ക്ക് നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമം ലഭിച്ചു?
@@manuabraham2135 Keralathile sabhaykku anthokyayile jonakarude konan kazhukiyirunna pattam mudakkapetta Abdul Jaleel enna patriarchisumayi oru bandhavum illa. Keralathile vishwasilal antiochia ennu 1665 nu munp kettittu polum undakilla. Enne sabha padippicha charithram Alla. We don't have anything to do with Antiochia or Rome. We were EAST SYRIAC, KALDAYA OR NESTORIAN
Then why are there East Syriac words in Malayalam but almost no West Syriac words in the Malayalam dictionary? And what about the Patriarch-Catholicos Timothy I and how he consecrated bishops and made a new province just for India? Why doesn't Bar Ebraya mention a single bishop consecrated for India or a single diocese for India? How come there is only a single West Syriac manuscript before the 1600s while there are numerous East Syriac inscriptions and manuscripts in Kerala? Why did we wholly accept Mar Abraham, Mar Deneha, and Mar Joseph Sulaqa while very few ( 20 or so churches) accepted Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel Bava? Please do not twist history......I am a Syro Malabar Catholic (although I prefer to be known as a Malankara Nasrani we all are spiritual children of Mar Thoma Sleeha) and I support the Jacobites but the twisting of history done by the Jacobites is fully wrong.
1.when mar Abraham came to India our church Father's came to know during the discussion he is Nestorian they didn't accept him(if our doctrine is agree with them we would accept him fully).its in 1552/53. Diamper syned is in 1599. Portuguese church authority forcefully introduce latinization without the permission of our gheevargheese archdicon.they try to distroy all evidence. We have.and should consider the rulers of that era. 2.Joseph the Indian.(Shibu's previous video explain it) 3.Nestorian church (inside) should (strict) have some design. rules Any of our old church have such evidence of church building. 4.And many of our church is dedicated in the name of St Mary. Nestorian church doesn't have that . Nestorian church Bishops came in to India only after 1300. Every evidence we have most of them were distroyed by Portuguese They consider us as slaves.(consider the political era) And consider the split in the church of the East in 1553.from that date Catholic church implement new theory to split Eastern Churches and make more genuine that Pope is the leader of all Christians in the world. (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches) We should consider the fact from (345) knayi Thoma he came from edessa. Due to the language in the cross(8th century) it is evident that it was not Nestorian. After Conan cross oath. No one see ahathulla bava. Portuguese tell that they didn't kill him.we should consider how cruel they are. Palliveettil chandy he was one of the 4advisors of marthoma 1.(en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoma_I) he betry his leader and move to Catholic side and they make him as Bishop. After him syro Malabar church had only two native continues Bishops. Europiuns rule directly after that. (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliveettil_Chandy) Anjilimoottil ettithomman cathanar had write a letter to palliveettil chandy about the betrayal. Hindu Kings are puppets of Portuguese rulers so every decision made to the faver of Portuguese church. We should consider the fact that before the Portuguese every church was under archdeacon. And they forceully imprisoned gheevargheese cathanar and latinized our church.and destroy all evidence we have. Before the arrival of Portuguese every church in Malankara consider archdicon as our leader and we selected him from us. Then Portuguese came an took our church From every side Portuguese corner our archdeacon and took most church cathanars their side by force to be accept latin.and consider many of well people are business mens so they want to continue their trade with them so they move to Latin side even though in mind they didn't agree with them. Kadavil chandy cathanar was regret the decision to the of favor Catholic church and when it knows the Portuguese catholics( foreign rule changed from Portuguese to Dutch).they took him to dutch higherarchy and make a promise do not leave Catholic side. Sorry to say syro Malabar church try to make more history to favor to them.because every one try that Majority can change the history.
In 893 Eliya ibn ʿUbaid also known as Īlīyā al-Jawharī, the famous chronographer of the Nestorian Church of the East, published a detailed list of metropolitan provinces and dioceses in the Assyrian Church of the East. However India or Malankara does not appear in that list . Also the numerous inscriptions in Malankara that you are referring to are in the Estrangelo script, which is still used in the Syriac Orthodox Church to write headings, titles and inscriptions. I think you should read an article written by the Catholic Servant of God, Mar Ivanious archive.org/details/fourhistoricdocu0000kuri/page/114/mode/2up
@@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox Shlama my friend! Yes, you may be correct (emphasis on "may") but it was Mar Timothy I, Patriarch-Catholicos of the East, who reigned from 780-823 and it was he sent Mar Sabor and Mar Proth and created a new province just for us. Next, you claim that the Estrangelo Script was used by the Syriac Orthodox Church. This may be correct. I am yet to see any Syriac Orthodox using Estrangelo but even then, it would be noted that we too, use the script for the exact same reason. That is, both the Syro Malabar and Assyrian Church of the East. And no, not all of those inscriptions are Estrangelo either. www.nasrani.org/downloads/SyriacInscriptionsInKerala.pdf You may notice that West Syriac inscriptions only appear in Puthenkoor churches right? Plus, you'll see many East Syriac inscription, particularly on stone crosses like the ones found in Koratty and Moozhikulam. You will also notice that the Estrangelo found in the crosses of Kottayam Valliyapalli, and inscriptions in Kudamaloor, Kaduthuruthy, and such all use East Syriac vowels (I do know how to read Syriac btw.) O and look what I found here: "The Nomocanon is chronologically ordered.Eliya compiled a list of the dioceses of the Church of the East. This list is of immense value to the historian, but it is not a complete list. It does not include the dioceses of the province of China or the province of India"
Eby Philip very good description. We the South Alleppy District.Kollam.Pathanam titta,,a re not aware of the PATRIARCH contributions. The PATRIARCH limits their visit up to Kottaym. So our relationship with Patriarch was almost NIL. We can KEEP OUR relationship with Patriarch even after unity.
St Mary's Jacobite Syrian Church, Angamaly (now known as St. Mary's Soonoro Cathedral) is believed to be built in AD 409 and is the first church built in Angamaly. It is an ancient church and one of the most prominent churches in Kerala. It was the seat of the Archdeacon, the local head of the Malankara Church and hence held an important position in Malankara for many centuries.[1]
It is not AD 409 but Kollavarsham 409 which means 1234 AD ( 825+409=1234). This is a mistake most of the church historians make. Construction of churches started in Kerala only after 825 AD ! Before that even though there were isolated Christians in Kerala coast as reported by few of the foreign travellers, there was no place for organised christian worship. The first church ever built in Kerala is the one at Kollam ie., Tharissa pally ( of the Tharissappaly Cheped fame of 849 AD) built in 825 AD at Thevally (from Thevar Pally) and in commemoration of that the Kollavarsham was started by the bishops Mar Sabore and Mar Aphroth !
*Persian Church Records* Several evidences are available from the historical records of Persian Church and letters of Persian bishops which corroborate the Malankara-Persian relation. Meanwhile , there is not even a single mention about the Church of India in the Jacobite Church records. In the 5th century, Mar Mani, the Persian archbishop of Rev Ardashir recorded that while sending his theological works and the works and translations of other Persian bishops to various places, they were sent to India as well. In the 6th century during the reign of Persian emperor Khosrau II, bishop Marutha reached Persia as the delegate of the Roman Emperor and visited the Persian Patriarch Sabrisho I (594-604). It is recorded that during this visit, the Patriarch presented bishop Marutho with fragrant spices and other special gifts which he had received from India. Two letters from Persian Patriarch Ishoyahb III to the Metropolitan bishop of Fars between 650 and 660 A. D. show that the Indian Christians were under the jurisdiction of the Persian Patriarchate.[12] In the 7th century, Fars was an eparchy (ecclesiastical province) in the Persian Church with Rev Ardashir as its capital. At that time, Metropolitan bishop Simon of Rev Ardashir was in charge of the affairs of the Church of India. However, a situation arose in which the bishop became hostile to the Patriarch, resulting in excommunication. In his letter, the Patriarch reprimands the bishop and complains that because of the opposition of the bishop, it was impossible to tend to the spiritual needs of the faithful in India. The Patriarch adds that the Indians were cut off from the Patriarchate and the annual offertory given to the Patriarch by the Indians was no longer given. Following this, Patriarch Ishoyahb III issued an encyclical releasing the Church of India from the jurisdiction of Fars eparchy and appointed a Metropolitan Bishop for India. According to the canons of Persian Church in the medieval centuries, the bishop of India came tenth in the ecclesiastical hierarchy, followed by the bishop of China. The title of the Metropolitan bishop of India was the Metropolitan and Gate of all India. During the reign of Patriarch Timothy the Great (780-823) also, the Patriarch released the Church of India from the authority of the bishop of Fars, placing it under his direct jurisdiction. Historians refer to two letters written by Patriarch Timothy with regard to the Church of India. The first letter contains guidelines for the election of Metropolitans. The letter demands that the acknowledgement of the Patriarch must be obtained after the people selected bishops based on the guidelines set by the Patriarch, before requesting the acknowledgement of the Emperor. In the second letter addressed to the Archdeacon of Malankara, the Patriarch mentions some violations of canon in the Church of India. The Patriarch also demands that bishops should abstain from entering wedlock and consuming meat. While writing about the journeys of Nestorian missionaries during his reign, Timothy I himself says (in Letter 13) that a number of monks go across the sea to India with nothing but a staff and a beggar's bag. In the Persian Church, the bishops were supposed to report to the Patriarch every year. However, Patriarch Theodosius (853-858) suggested that the bishops of distant places like India and China need to report only once every six years, owing to the great distance. In 1129, in response to the request of the Church of India, the Persian Patriarch Eliya II sent bishop Mar Yohannan to Malabar (Kerala, India). Mar Yohannan reached Kodungallur and gave the Church spiritual leadership from there. In 1490, a three-member delegation of the Christians of Malankara left for Baghdad with a petition to the Patriarch requesting him to appoint a Metropolitan Bishop for them. One of them perished on the way. The remaining two, named George and Joseph, were ordained to priesthood by Patriarch Shemʿon IV Basidi. The Patriarch selected two monks from the monastery of Mar Augen and consecrated them as bishops Mar Thoma and Mar John. These bishops accompanied the two priests on their return to India. Bishop Mar John died shortly after. Later, Mar Thoma and the priest Joseph returned to Baghdad. Patriarch Eliya V, who ascended the throne in 1502, sent three bishops, namely Mar Yabalaha, Mar Yakob and Mar Denaha to Malankara. By the time they reached Malankara, the Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama had already set foot in Kerala. The three bishops were detained by the Portuguese. Few years later, Patriarch Abdisho IV Maron sent bishop Abraham to Malankara. Mar Abraham was also imprisoned by the Portuguese. Mar Abraham died in 1597. Thus, the authority of Persian bishops in Malankara reached its termination.
oldest bible in india bachuchan bible is in west syriac and antiochian church also used east syrian . addai and marri came to existence only in 3rd century how can that be used by christians whose existence before 300 AD is avaliable
Christianity was there in malankara before 1599 in an unorganized manner like any other Indian religion. There may not have a concept of church like what is in the western world. But question is how it sustained for 1599 year . So there should a infulace or patron of other church, of which east syriac church had influenced as what historians say. But due to the distance., they too could not make a church authority over people of malankara. So it is right to say Roman catholic church try to organize it and due to Portuguese colonial rule, people felt as if it is over powering their rights and way of life they followed before. That can be, the only reason for the uprising leading to coonen cross oath. At the same time we can see that the east syriac church as become so week in Persia during those times, they could not sent bishops to malankara. So in such circumstances, the communication may some how reached other churches in west asia through our own trader or other traders. So in good faith west syriac head may have send their bishops in 1665. This created the west syriac influences in malankara. Later when they realized, it was an opportunity to get into temporal power of malankara , as churches in west asia was weakening day by day so they may have thought that way, then again the malankara people raised there voice against people taking way their freedom. So if we see all the split are one way or the other caused by greed of foreign powers and their local kingpins Catholic church - due to Portuguese greed Malabar Independent Syrian church -- due to Antiochian and local greed CSI church -- due to British greed Marthoma church - due to British and local Antiochian greed. Malankara catholic church -- due to Antiochian local and Catholic greed. Jacobites church -- Antiochian and local Antiochian greed. Malankara orthodox church -- local Antiochian greed. Pentecost church -- local individuals greed.
St. Mary's Church or Marth Maryam Cathedral is a valiyapally (principal church) situated in Kothamangalam town of India. It is located in Ernakulam district of Kerala state, India. It is one of the most ancient Christian churches in India. It is believed that the church was founded on or before 4th century by a few Syrian Christian families who migrated from Paravur and Angamali. The new church established in AD 1338 by four Syrian Christian merchants who bought the entire land of Kothamangalam from a local chief for commodity trading with the nearby state of Tamil Nadu. History Kothamangalam was a major commercial city during the Portuguese period. The Marth Maryam church at Kothamangalam, commonly known as Valiyapally is the oldest of all the churches in the region. Present Kothamangalam region was historically known as Malakhachira (മാലാഖച്ചിറ).[2] The name came from a legend associated with Thomas the Apostle. According to tradition, the Apostle, during his mission in India, stayed in this region where he had a vision of archangel Gabriel who instructed him to found seven and a half churches in Malankara.[3][4][5] One of the churches founded by St Thomas is called Gokkamangalam=> Kokkamangalam=> Kotamanagalam=>Kothamangalam. It should be mentioned that no other ancient churches in Kerala bring forward any claim for the ancient Gokkamangalam church established by St. Thomas. According to tradition, Mar Yuhannon who represented the Malankara Church at the Holy Synod of Ephesus in AD 431 stayed at Kothamangalam church and had visited Angamaly Church. Piravam church About 2000 years ago, "…after the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of king Herod the "Wisemen" from the east (The Magi) reached Bethlehem through Jerusalem. The "star" they saw in the east was moving to direct them till they reached the birthplace of Infant Jesus… They saw the young child on the lap of mother Mary, knelt down and worshipped him. They opened their treasures and presented gifts to him: Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh (St. Mathew 2:1-11) And they returned with exceeding joy and satisfaction to their home land in the east. The Wisemen (Holy kings) were scholars, rulers and devotees. The legends name them as Melchior, Gaspar and Balthazar. Old Melchior, middle aged Gaspar and young Belthazar visited Infant Jesus. When they reached back their homeland, they built an edifice in the Indian style and here they began to worship the Holy infant. As such piravom valiyapally is the first church in the world, where worshipping Jesus Christ started. During the 5th Century, this building may have been rebuilt as a Christian church as we now see, " The Piravom Valiyapally" karingachira Pally Karingachira St. George's Church, established in 722 AD (Makaram 13), is one of the ancient churches of the Malankara Syrian Orthodox Church. St. Thomas, one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ, is the founder of the ancient church in India. Christian writers and historians from the 4th century refer to the evangelistic work of Apostle Thomas in India, and the Indian Christians ascribe the origin of their church to the labors of the apostle in the 1st century. "Insistent tradition ascribes the introduction of Christianity to India to the Apostle Thomas, one of the original Twelve." It is reasonable to believe that the St. Thomas came to India, preached the gospel, established the church and died there as a martyr. It is believed that St.Thomas arrived in Cranganore, Kerala, India, in 52 AD He preached the gospel and founded churches at seven places; Cranganore, Palur, Paraur, Gokkamangalam, Niranam, Chayal and Quilon, and appointed prelates and priests. He is believed to have been martyred at Mylapur, Madras, India, around 72 AD Malankara Orthodox Church in India is as old as any other ancient Christian communities elsewhere in the world.
16 am nootandil Roman adinivesham..undayapol syro malabar sabha alle catholic communian il Chernath..Avark anthokiyan realation undayirnilla. Avar use cheyyunath east syriac liturgy anu ..so Anthokian liturgy malankarayil vannath after 1665 .
ദൈവം സ്ഥാപിച്ച സഭയാണ് പരി. സുറിയാനി സഭ...ദൈവത്താൽ പരിപാലിക്കപ്പെട്ട സഭ....പുണ്യപിതാക്കൻമാർ ജീവൻ നൽകി സംരക്ഷിച്ച സഭ.. മെനസിസ് മെത്രാച്ചന്റെ വേദോപരീതികളെ തകർത്തെറിഞ്ഞ് സുറിയാനി സഭയെ സത്യവിശ്വാസത്തിൽ അടിയുറപ്പിച്ച് നിർത്താൻ മലങ്കരയിലേക്ക് എഴുന്നള്ളി പറങ്കികൾ അറബിക്കടലിൽ ജീവനോടെ കെട്ടി താഴ്ത്തിയ അഹ്ത്തുള്ള ബാവ..., സത്യവിശ്വാസം സംരക്ഷിക്കുവാൻ മലങ്കരയിലേക്കെഴുന്നള്ളിയ ഊർശ്ശേമിന്റെ പാത്രിയർക്കീസായിരുന്ന മോർ ഗ്രീഗോറിയോസ് അബ്ദുൾ ജലീൽ ബാവ...,മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ രക്ഷകനായ മോർ ബസ്സേലിയോസ് യൽദോ മഫ്രിയാന...ഇന്ത്യയിലെ തന്റെ മക്കൾക്കു വേണ്ടി ജീവൻ ബലികഴിച്ച മഹാപരിശുദ്ധനായ ഇഗ്നാത്തിയോസ് ഏലിയാസ് തൃതീയൻ പാത്രിയർക്കീസ് ബാവ... പരി. അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ സിംഹാസനത്തിന്റെ പ്രതിനിധികളായി മലങ്കരയിലെത്തി അനേകം ത്യാഗങ്ങൾ സഹിച്ച യൂയാക്കീം മോർ കൂറീലോസ് ബാവ...,മോർ യൂലിയോസ് ബാവ...സ്ലീബാ മോർ ഒസ്താത്തിയോസ് ബാവ... പരി.അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ സിംഹാസനത്തിൻ കീഴിൽ അടിയുറച്ച് നിലകൊണ്ട മഹാപരിശുദ്ധനായ പരി. പരുമല തിരുമേനി.... ''മക്കളെ പരി. അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ സിംഹാസനം നമ്മുടെ അമ്മയാണ് അതിനെ കണ്ണിലെ കൃഷ്ണമണി പോലെ കാത്ത് പരിപാലിച്ച് അനുസരിച്ച് നടന്നു കൊള്ളണം, നിങ്ങളുടെ മക്കൾക്ക് അതിനെ അവകാശമായി നൽകണം'' എന്ന് നമുക്ക് പഠിപ്പിച്ച് തന്ന പുണ്യശ്ലോകനായ ക്ലീമിസ്സ് തിരുമേനിയെയും, സത്യ വിശ്വസത്തിന്റെ പ്രകാശമായിരുന്ന ഈ പുണ്യ പിതാക്കൻമ്മാർ എതൊരു വിശ്വാസത്തെ ഞങ്ങൾക്ക് ഭരമേല്പിച്ച് നൽകിയോ .ആ സത്യവിശ്വാസത്തെ ഞങ്ങളും ഞങ്ങളുടെ സന്തതി പരമ്പരകളും ജീവനോടിരിക്കുന്ന കാലത്തോളം സംരക്ഷിച്ചു പിടിക്കും... ''അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ മലങ്കര ബന്ധം നീണാൾ വാഴട്ടെ..''
Mr. ABY PHILIP ഒന്ന് താങ്കൾക്ക് പറയാതെ പറ്റില്ല മലങ്കരയിൽ ഒരു വിശ്വാസം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ശരിയല്ലെ ആ വിശ്വാസം പരിശുദ്ധ തോമ ശ്ലീ ഹ നൽകിയ സുറിയാനി വിശ്വാസം. ആ വിശ്വാസം മലങ്കര മണ്ണിൽ ഇല്ലാതാകുമെന്ന് കരുതിയ പിതാക്കന്മാർ അത് വിശ്വാസത്തിൽ നിലകൊണ്ട മറ്റ് സഹോദര സഭകളിൽ നിന്നും സഹായങ്ങൾ സ്വി കരിച്ചിരുന്നു (ഉദ :കുവൈറ്റ് -ഇറഖ് യുദ്ധം., അമേരിക്ക കുവൈറ്റിനെ സഹായിച്ചിലെ അതുപോലെ ) ഒരേ വിശ്വാസമല്ലയൈങ്കിൽ ഒരുപക്ഷ ഇവിടെ ആ പിതാക്കന്മാർ എത്തുകിലായിരുന്നു. അത്രക്ക് തിഷ്ണന്മായ സുറിയാനി വിശ്വാസം നമ്മൾ പുലർത്തിയിരുന്നു യെന്ന് വിസ്‌മരിക്കുന്നത ശരിയല്ല. (സഭയുടെ തലയായ ക്രിസ്തു പോലും അമ്മയെ വിസ്‌മരിക്കുന്നില്ല )അത്കൊണ്ട് ABY നമ്മുടെ വിശ്വാസം തലമുറ തലമുറ യായി കിട്ടിയതാണ്. അപ്പോൾ നമ്മുടെ തലമുറ എവിടെ നിൽക്കുന്നയെന്ന് ചി ന്തിക്കുക.എന്നാൽ ആ പുണ്യ പിതാക്കന്മാരെ നമ്മൾ വിസ്‌മരിച്ചുകൂടാ. നമ്മൾ ആവശ്യമില്ലാത്ത വാദ മുഖങ്ങൾ ഉയർത്തി ഈ സഭ യെ ഭിന്നിപ്പിക്ക്ല്ലവേണ്ട് മലങ്കരയിൽ ഒറ്റ സഭയായി നിന്നെ മുന്നോട്ടു പൊക്കുക.
ആദികാലത്ത് സഭ ഒന്നേ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നുള്ളു. മെത്രാന്മാർ ക്ക് ഇന്നുകാണുന്നവേഷവും തൊപ്പിയും ആദികാല പിതാക്കന്മാരുടെ ചിത്രങ്ങളിൽ ഇല്ലല്ലൊ.പീഠനവും കഷ്ടപ്പാടും ആയിരുന്നു. നെസ്തോറിയോസ് വേദവിപരീതം പറഞ്ഞു എങ്കിലും കുർബാനയും പ്രാർത്ഥനയും ആചാരങ്ങളും വലിയ വ്യത്യാസം വരുത്തിയില്ല. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭ നെസ്തോർ വിശ്വാസം സ്വീകരിച്ചത് പേർഷ്യൻ ഭരണാധിപൻമാരൂടെ പീഡനങ്ങളിൽ നിന്ന് രക്ഷപെടാനാണന്നാണ് പറയുന്നത്. റോമൻ ,പേർഷ്യൻ ഭരണാധിപൻമാർതമ്മിൽ ശത്രുതയിൽ ആയീലുന്നു. ചുരുക്കത്തിൽ മലങ്കരയുമായി ആന്തോഖ്യൻ സഭക്ക് ബന്ധപ്പെടാൻ സാധ്യത ഇല്ലായിരുന്നൂ. കൂടാത് തോമ്മാശ്ളീഹാ സ്തിപിച്ച സഭകൾ എന്നനിലയിൽ മലങ്കരയും പേർഷ്യൻ സഭയും ബന്ധപ്പെട്ടിരിക്കാം.
Mr. Shibu, Catholic people want to etablish their preeminent position in the Church history. But the Catholic church or Roman church is not seen mentioned anywhere in the bible. But BibleThe Acts.11:26 clearly states that Jesus' disciples assembled at Antioch and were first known as Christians. The Antioch church is mentioned in more occasions in the Bible. So Antioch church is the original church. Hence any association of our Church with Antioch church is a valid and valuable point. Ordinary believers in Orthodox or Jacobite church seek peaceful coexistence. But some unscrupulous elements are taking the Church to unwanted litigation and trouble. Bishops are not doing the work they are expected to do. Let us pray for unity in the church.
@@akjacob5985 So when was that engraved in that church ? Knanayas claim that they reached Kerala in 345 AD and this church would have been built within the last 100 years or so I suppose. That implies that the engraving happened after a gap of 1945 - 345 = 1600 years. So now you know how history is manipulated by various people. What happened to your logical reasoning abilities sir ! Please do not blindly swallow what ever others say even if it is by priests or bishops. I have seen that many of the bishops and priests are liars and are good at cooking up histories or is it that they are so innocent to believe and propagate what others say ! The entire Knanaya migration is a mythology started first by the Parangi Latin catholic clergy and later on this community took over that idea and propagated it to get credit. The Knanaya community is a small group from among the Kollam Nazranies who reached Kollam in 823 AD from Nineveh and later on migrated in 1170 AD ( or Kollavarsham 345) to Kodungalloor. Since they came from the south of Kodungalloor they were called as Thekkumbhagar and they also practiced endogamy with respect to the Nestorian christians, Vadukkumbhagar, who migrated from Mylapore around the same time to Kodungallur due to the Manickavasgar group persecution.
@@akjacob5985 As I understand it was given by the Malankara Syriac orthodox metropolitan ! But what has that to do with the pseudo claims that the then nonexistent Knanaya community migrated in 345 AD ? Sir, there is a confusion between the Kollam Tharissappally chepped and the Knai Thomman chepped. Now the latest research shows that they are the same chepped only.
Rev.O.Thomas is bold enough to tell the Truth. We accept our history from AD.1655. At Least we DO that. Forgo prior to that. Prepare document for this. Let sll historians of BOTH factions sit together. and prepare s pakka history OF the SABHA FROM AD.1665.Accept it.We have to starti from AD.1655 to AD.1908.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century. The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.* When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church. *Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc. *The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.* Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa. When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.* Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.* During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.* The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.* During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East. So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East. Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._* *_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
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Kindly give the History of Suriyani SABHA from 1665 onwards.as follows. 1.What was the name of the Suriyani Sabha in1965? 2When the CMS came to Suriyani Sabha. ? 3.How they influenced the Suriyani Sabha? 4.How the Marthoma SABHA formed. 5TELL about Palakunnathu Abraham Malpan. 6.What iis SEMINARY CASE? 7.What was Vatti panam case? 8.split in the Suriyani Sabha. 9.What was the name or the SABHA in 1912? 10.When the ORTHODOX Syrian SABHA Name is adopted? PLEASE give the above information. Please.
ഇത്രയും നല്ല പരമ്പര്യമുള്ള സുറിയാനി സഭയിൽ നിന്നും മണർകാടുപള്ളിയിൽ നിന്നും പോയ ഷിബു 25 വർഷത്തിനു ശേഷം തിരിച്ചു വന്നല്ലോ? അതപോലെ നഷ്ടപ്പെട്ട പോയ വി.മാർത്തോമ്മാശ്ലീഹായുടെ പൈതൃകം തിരിച്ചെത്തിയെന്ന് മലങ്കര നസ്രാണികൾ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നു. സഭകളടെ നിലനിൽപ് ദൈവം നിശ്ചയിക്കട്ടെ.
I am interested to know any historic evidences from Antiochian Sources to Support Antiochian connection and subjugation. It should be a pre 16th century evidence. What is the historic evidence that Knai thomman came from Persia?
@@GLORIOUSGOSPELOfficial Honestly. No. There is no solid historical evidence. There are some church traditions regarding to St. Thomas arrival in India. But not Kerala. Church traditions can’t be solely considered as historical evidences.
During SANGAKALAM Kerala was known as CHERA RAJAM. THE WAY OF CHRIST (CHRISTUMARAM) SIMPLY MARGAMKARU WAS THE NAME OF CHRISTANS AFTER AD 52 WHEN ST.THOMAS APOSTOLIC MISSION WAS IN MALANKARA AND IT WAS A MIXTURE OF WEST SYRIAC AND EAST SYRIAC LANGUAGE IN MALANKARA. 2002 CONSTRUCTION GAVE BIRTH TO A NEW CHURCH AND IT WAS NOT BAVAKSSHI. INDAN ORTHODOX CHURCH ADOPTED AND SPREAD ANTIOCHAN PRAYERS WHEN HIDAYTHULLA CAME ALONG WITH HOLY ELDO CATHOLICA BAVA THIRUMENI. THE INDIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH (MALANKARA) WAS NOT A NEW CHURCH BUT IT ONLY ADOPTED SYRIAN PRAYERS.
Those who are interested should read the article "Were the Syrian Christians Nestorians?" . This is written none other than the Catholic Archbishop Mar Ivanios also now declared a "Servant of God". You can read it online at: archive.org/details/fourhistoricdocu0000kuri/page/114/mode/2up
The arguments for the Antiochian relationship are not historical and have no support of evidence. I will show you why. 1. Firstly, *Patriarch of Antioch* had authority only over the *' East' province of Roman Empire.* The Roman Empire had a *province( called diocese) called Orients* ( which means East). This is where the Patriarch of Antioch had any authority over. Egypt was excluded from the authority of Antioch and was granded to Alexandria. This was the basic reason of struggles between Antioch and Alexandria. *So Bishop of Antioch( later Grand Metropolitan and finally Patriarch) had authority only till the boundaries of the Roman Empire.* The Authority of the Church beyond Roman Empire's Eastern boundary was largely decentralised. Later the authority over the Church of these regions were consolidated in the *Patriarchate of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon.* *The schisms of 431 and 451 and later Jacobite schism of 518 led to the erection of rebell patriarchates everywhere throughout the once undivided and now divided Church.* Thus the *Maphrianate of Tigrit* was founded by the *Miaphysite Jacobite Church* to act as a rebell against the *Patriarchate of Babylon* and to act as an *ecclesiastical Hierarchy over Jacobite converts in Sassanian Empire.* It started using title of Catholicose , like the Patriarch of the Church of the East, in direct opposition after 628. But "the position of 'Catholicose' is historically equal to that of 'Patriarch'. The title 'Patriarch' is introduced only after the 5th century. The title of Catholicose is much older. _In Armenian Church Patriarch is under Catholicose and in Jacobite Church, Catholicose is under Patriarch_ ( _ both are not historical_ ) *_You should also keep in mind that none of the other Patriarchates of Antioch( Maronite, Melkite, Greek Orthodox, Syriac Catholic) has or ever had a position called Catholicose under their respective Sees to supervise their faithful in the Sassanid Regions._* 2. The Church in India never had any administrative or spiritual relationship with the Church of Antioch. All evidences show clearly that the Church in India was under the *Church of Persia.* Later the *Bishop of Revardshir in Persia* assumed Metropolitan title and *India became its saffragan see.* Later the *Church of India was reorganized and was raised to Metropolitan status directly under the Patriarchate of Babylon.* This process was initiated by *Patriarchs Ishoyab and Yahaballaha and completed by Patriarch Thimothy the Great* who are undoubtedly Patriarchs of Babylon of the Church of the East. All evidences found is in support of this tradition. The *Chaldean Catholic Church* was formed only in 1552 through a schism in the *Church of the East.* Only two bishops, namely *Mar Iosep Sulaqa and Mar Avraham* have assumed the leadership of the Church of India from this faction. The rest of the bishops who came before were all from the undivided Church of the East. During the *Synod of Diamper* in1559, the *administrative relation between the Church of India with the Patriarchate of Babylon was deprived permanently.* Later tensions between the Portuguese Padroado Archbishop and Archdeacon Thomas detoriated. This and many other conflicts led to the *Coonan cross Oath* of 1653. This culminated into the eventual division of St. Thomas' Nazrenes of India into two factions each led by Catholic *Bishop Chandy Parambil* and *Archdeacon Thomas* respectively. After 1663 , Archdeacon Thomas Parambil contacted with various Church leaders through merchants to recieve an episcopate to block the flow of the faction of Christians from his leadership back into the Catholic faction led by his own cousin Bishop Chandy Parambil. *In 1665, a bishop arrived from Patriarchate of Antioch to Malabar Coast in the person of Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel* who introduced Antiochian Jacobite liturgy , traditions and priesthood for the first time in Malabar. The arrival of *Mor Ivanios Hidayattullah, Mor Sakkrallah,* etc. led to *Chengannur Palliyogam* in which *Antiochian liturgy* was accepted in this faction. *Mavelikkara Padiyola and Mullunthuruthy Synod* cemented the Antiochian Patriarchate's temporal and ecclesiastical dominance over the faction. Dissatisfaction due to all these efforts arose from various leaders throughout the period and this led to *division of this faction further into Five different factions.* The major division took place in 1912 , which led to huge thread to the dominance of the Patriarch of Antioch.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century. The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.* When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church. *Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc. *The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.* Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa. When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.* Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.* During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.* The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.* During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East. So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East. Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._* *_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
1665 വെറും കേവലം .. അതിനും 65 വർഷം മുൻപ് എന്ന് പറയുമ്പോൾ അപ്പോൾ പറഞ്ഞു വരുമ്പോൾ പെൻതോകളെ ഉം ആയ്ട്ട് കേവലം 255 വരഷത്തിന്റെ ചരിത്രം മാത്രം പറയാനുള്ളു പാരമ്പര്യം ഒക്കെ മാറ്റി വെക്കാം
The arguments for the Antiochian relationship are not historical and have no support of evidence. I will show you why. 1. Firstly, *Patriarch of Antioch* had authority only over the *' East' province of Roman Empire.* The Roman Empire had a *province( called diocese) called Orients* ( which means East). This is where the Patriarch of Antioch had any authority over. Egypt was excluded from the authority of Antioch and was granded to Alexandria. This was the basic reason of struggles between Antioch and Alexandria. *So Bishop of Antioch( later Grand Metropolitan and finally Patriarch) had authority only till the boundaries of the Roman Empire.* The Authority of the Church beyond Roman Empire's Eastern boundary was largely decentralised. Later the authority over the Church of these regions were consolidated in the *Patriarchate of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon.* *The schisms of 431 and 451 and later Jacobite schism of 518 led to the erection of rebell patriarchates everywhere throughout the once undivided and now divided Church.* Thus the *Maphrianate of Tigrit* was founded by the *Miaphysite Jacobite Church* to act as a rebell against the *Patriarchate of Babylon* and to act as an *ecclesiastical Hierarchy over Jacobite converts in Sassanian Empire.* It started using title of Catholicose , like the Patriarch of the Church of the East, in direct opposition after 628. But "the position of 'Catholicose' is historically equal to that of 'Patriarch'. The title 'Patriarch' is introduced only after the 5th century. The title of Catholicose is much older. _In Armenian Church Patriarch is under Catholicose and in Jacobite Church, Catholicose is under Patriarch_ ( _ both are not historical_ ) *_You should also keep in mind that none of the other Patriarchates of Antioch( Maronite, Melkite, Greek Orthodox, Syriac Catholic) has or ever had a position called Catholicose under their respective Sees to supervise their faithful in the Sassanid Regions._* 2. The Church in India never had any administrative or spiritual relationship with the Church of Antioch. All evidences show clearly that the Church in India was under the *Church of Persia.* Later the *Bishop of Revardshir in Persia* assumed Metropolitan title and *India became its saffragan see.* Later the *Church of India was reorganized and was raised to Metropolitan status directly under the Patriarchate of Babylon.* This process was initiated by *Patriarchs Ishoyab and Yahaballaha and completed by Patriarch Thimothy the Great* who are undoubtedly Patriarchs of Babylon of the Church of the East. All evidences found is in support of this tradition. The *Chaldean Catholic Church* was formed only in 1552 through a schism in the *Church of the East.* Only two bishops, namely *Mar Iosep Sulaqa and Mar Avraham* have assumed the leadership of the Church of India from this faction. The rest of the bishops who came before were all from the undivided Church of the East. During the *Synod of Diamper* in1559, the *administrative relation between the Church of India with the Patriarchate of Babylon was deprived permanently.* Later tensions between the Portuguese Padroado Archbishop and Archdeacon Thomas detoriated. This and many other conflicts led to the *Coonan cross Oath* of 1653. This culminated into the eventual division of St. Thomas' Nazrenes of India into two factions each led by Catholic *Bishop Chandy Parambil* and *Archdeacon Thomas* respectively. After 1663 , Archdeacon Thomas Parambil contacted with various Church leaders through merchants to recieve an episcopate to block the flow of the faction of Christians from his leadership back into the Catholic faction led by his own cousin Bishop Chandy Parambil. *In 1665, a bishop arrived from Patriarchate of Antioch to Malabar Coast in the person of Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel* who introduced Antiochian Jacobite liturgy , traditions and priesthood for the first time in Malabar. The arrival of *Mor Ivanios Hidayattullah, Mor Sakkrallah,* etc. led to *Chengannur Palliyogam* in which *Antiochian liturgy* was accepted in this faction. *Mavelikkara Padiyola and Mullunthuruthy Synod* cemented the Antiochian Patriarchate's temporal and ecclesiastical dominance over the faction. Dissatisfaction due to all these efforts arose from various leaders throughout the period and this led to *division of this faction further into Five different factions.* The major division took place in 1912 , which led to huge thread to the dominance of the Patriarch of Antioch.
If Catholic is the oldest church, they should have done evangelism before everyone and converted the people to first christians. There would be no need to destroy the holy sacraments of the orthodox church. If there was a church that existed in whatever form in Kerala Catholics should accept that church and not claim they are the oldest church. If everyone should believe in the oldest church, catholics should believe in the church that existed before 1600. Orthodox and Catholic church are existing in parallell all over the world, Greece, Russia etc. It is clear orthodox people knew what their belief is and waited for a bishop with similar belief from antioch.
Orthodox Church was very innocent Christians they accepted both syrian church and persian church. If there was no how syro malabar church got the Eastern syrian syriac as there medium of worship. Why do much enthusiasm in bent cross oath including the present syro malabar church. This speech as good as you admit English rule.
Syro malabar accepted in 20th century only the East Syriac as part of a propaganda mission of papacy. Until that time, they were using Latin liturgy. They used some Caldaya suriyani bishops for the liturgy of Aadai and Mari. There is another reason for the Syro malabar, they wanted to be different from the Latin catholics of Kerala who were low caste hindus. While they are do proud of being nasrani high caste status, how can they accept Latinos? There are so many inside manipulations in that church
syro malabar church chaldean church alle? Whats difference between antokian church and chaldean church? Nestorianism ayet enthelum bandam undo syro malabar church inu? Catholic church um ayet syro malabar eangane communion ae?
"പട്ടയങ്ങപെട്ട ദൈവം തമ്പുരാനെ " എന്ന സന്ധ്യ പ്രാർത്ഥന ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയിൽ വീടുകളിൽ ഇന്നും ചൊല്ലുന്നു. "പട്ടയങ്ങപെട്ട" എന്ന വാക്കു ഇന്ന് മലയാള നിഘണ്ടുവിൽ ഇല്ല. സർവവ്യാപി എന്നാണ് അർഥം . എന്റെ ചെറിയ ഒരു അന്വേഷണത്തിൽ ഈ പദം മലയാളക്കരയിലെ ആദ്യ നൂറ്റാണ്ടുകളിൽ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ഒരു വാക്കാണ്. ഈ പ്രാർത്ഥന സുറിയാനിയിൽ നിന്ന് തർജ്ജിമ ചെയ്തതാണ് എന്ന് തോന്നുന്നില്ല. 1665 ഇന് മുമ്പ് ഇവിടെ ഇങ്ങനെ ചില പ്രാർത്ഥനകൾ നിലനിന്നു എന്നാണ് അർഥം. തെറ്റുണ്ടെങ്കിൽ തിരുത്തിക. 1665 ഇന് മുമ്പ് മലങ്കര സഭ പേർഷ്യൻ സഭയുമായി നല്ല ബന്ധം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭ കാതോലിക്കോസിന്റെ കീഴിൽ ആയിരുന്നല്ലോ . അവിടുന്നുള്ള പിതാക്കന്മാർ മലങ്കരയിൽ എത്താറുണ്ടായിരുന്നു . മാർ ആബോ ,സോർ .. കടമറ്റത്തു കത്തനാർ . പൗരോഹിത്യം ഇവിടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു . അത് സുറിയാനി സഭയുമായി ഏതാണ്ട് നല്ല ബന്ധം ഉണ്ടായിരിക്കുന്നു . എന്നാൽ ഹിന്ദുത്വം കലർന്ന വിശ്വാസം ആയിരുന്നു . 30 ദിവസം കൊണ്ട് പേർഷ്യയിൽ നിന്നും മലങ്കരയിൽ എത്തുവാൻ സാധിക്കുമായിരുന്നു നാലാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടു മുതൽ അർക്കഡിയോക്കന്മാർ പാലക്കുന്നത്ത് തറവാട്ടിലെ അംഗങ്ങൾ ആയിരുന്നു എന്നും ചരിത്രം . പ്രാചീന തറവാട്ടിൽ 1665 ഇന് മുമ്പുള്ള പുരോഹിതരെ പറ്റി വിവരിക്കുന്നുണ്ട്. ഇവിടെ പുരോഹിതർ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നത് കൊണ്ടാണല്ലോ മാർത്തോമാ ഒന്നാമനെ വാഴിക്കാൻ ജലീൽ ബാവ എത്തുന്നത് മുംബെ സാധിച്ചത്
9th minutes theology cc Christology liturgy ith okke ann criteria enkill orthodox faith ayirikm priority but material wealth papacy administration global reach okke nokyall Catholics nn ayirikm priority ningall eth nokunne enmathill depend cheyum ath.... Also you should include the Syrian migration happened as results of the persecution of Catholic church and Muslims the migrants flew from Assyria and Asia Minor ( Iraq-syria- turkey) they settled in Kerala and their remnants are still flowing inside our blood vessels and its a truth beyond explanation because blood is always thicker than water HH Abdul Jaleel mor Gregorius the patriarch of the holy land,,if God has not sent that man we would have been under idol worship, heretic theological teachings, wrong intercession, neglecting ten commandments non kosher meals and all the trailed abomination of name sake Christians Glory to the one and only The holy one of Israel
നാലാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിലെ സിറിയൻ കുടിയേറ്റക്കാർ ഒരു സദയുടെ പരി ഛേദമെന്ന പോലെ വന്നവർ ഒരു ആരാധനക്രമം, ക്രമമായ ഒരു ആരാധനാരീതിയും കൊണ്ടുവന്നിരുന്നല്ലോ അവർക്കു പിന്നാലെ പതിനഞ്ചാം ന്തറ്റാണ്ടുവരെ സുറിയാനി മെത്രാൻ മാർ വന്നിരുന്നല്ലോ അപ്പോൾ ഇവിടെ ഒരു വിശ്വാസി സമൂഹം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നല്ലോ ??
If you don't know the history right way please dont interpret the different way. Study 'indian orthodox church ' by. Z. M. Parattu and ' സഭ valerunnu ' and ആധുനിക സഭ by fr. V. C. Samuel.
യേശു തമ്പുരാനെ ഒറ്റുകൊടുത്ത യൂദാ യെ നമുക്ക് അറിയാമല്ലോ. അങ്ങനെ ധാരാളം പേർ ഈക്കാലത്തും ഉണ്ടു് എന്ന മാത്രം നമ്മൾ ചിന്തിക്കുക പ്രാർത്ഥിക്കുക ദൈവം എല്ലാത്തിനും വഴിയൊരുക്കും എന്ന വിശ്വസിക്കുക. തിരുനാമം പരിശുദ്ധമാകപ്പെടട്ടെ
Shibu Peedizckal,1965 let we agre that in 1965 olly Suriyani Sabha came in to existence. Then what was the name of the SABHA?What was the name of the SABHA in 1965?You TELL the history of KERALA Christians from 1965.? When the JAKOBAYA SABHA Came into Existence.?When ORTHODOX Syrian SABHA name came to JAKOBAYA SABHA? Both sides are silent about this.So You tell please.
They say that no such sabha in Kerala or India before Anthiokians came to Kerala. We Nasranis have to agree that and go on . Thats meaningless. They think all the other historians are baseless!!!!
Thomas Kodhy. Why we should be AFTER the Metrans ?We members of Malankara SABHA SHOULD unite and ask the Bishops to follow us. The mistake is with us. Er should stop shouting slogans. WHY we should shouti slogans?We are not political parties. Our Catholicose is not s political leaders .
@@aliaschacko707 vishudha kurbbanayile thanne eettrayo bhagangal Alexandrian/coptic sabhayumaayi bandhamund(eg.staumen calos , kuriyelayison ,songs in anduthaksa sung along with psalms,etc,) And also eventhough MOSC assumed the western Syriac liturgy (cannot say it as the Antioch an,becuase that time the church faced many troubles with muslims during its formation in Arab countries....),Almost all songs sung in churches in malankara are charged by the passage of time....... So as said by o Thomas achen,what was happened in malankara is that "aaradhanayiloode ulla adheeshwatham..." One more. The bishop's red vestment is adopted from roman catholic Church (pls don't forget it too.)
@@aliaschacko707 sir you should understand that it cannot be called Antiochan liturgy.Because Athiochan litury was been ruined by the time of post islamic era.It can be called as western Syriac liturgy.....and that's what we are following.....also some adoptions from other Cristian churches... So why we need to throw such a valuable treasure of Syriac language (the only rylics that is existing)?
@@aliaschacko707 മലങ്കര സഭയും സത്യത്തിൽ kayivepp മാത്രമേ വാങ്ങിയിരുന്നുള്ളു. But anthioch സഭ liturgy ഒക്കെ അടിച്ചേൽപ്പിക്കുക ആയിരുന്നു. 19 ആം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിൽ patros പത്രിയർകിസ് വരുന്നത് വരെ ഇവിടെ കാപ്പ പോലും ഡിഫറെൻറ് ആയിരുന്നു ( i think u have seen a picture published by British man in 1861 showing Syriac priest in kappa ). Athioch liturgy പൂർണം ആയി വരുന്നത് ബാവ വന്ന് പഴയ kremem നിരോധിച്ചപ്പോൾ ആണ്. ബാവയുടെ കല്പന ലഭ്യമാണല്ലോ.വായിച്ചാൽ മനസിലാവും
പതിനാറാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടുവരെ കേരളത്തിലോ ഇന്ത്യയിലോ സെൻ്റ് തോമസ് ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികൾ മാത്രമേ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നുള്ളൂ. ഏത് തരത്തിലുള്ള ആരാധനയാണ് അവർ നടത്തിയതെന്ന് വ്യക്തമല്ല. അത് യഥാർത്ഥ ഇന്ത്യൻ ആരാധനാക്രമമായിരിക്കാം. അത് നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമമായിരിക്കാം. ഡയമ്പർ സുന്നഹദോസിന് ശേഷമാണ് മലങ്കര ആരാധനക്രമം കേരളത്തിൽ വന്നത്. സെൻ്റ് തോമസ് ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികളുടെ പഴയ ആചാരം പുനഃസ്ഥാപിക്കുക എളുപ്പമല്ല. അവരുടെ പുസ്തകങ്ങൾ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ നശിപ്പിച്ചു.
St. Thomas മലങ്കരയിൽ വന്നതിന് തെ.ളിവ് കാണിക്കാമോ എന്ന് ഒരു ചോദ്യം glorious gospel ൽ നിന്നും ഇവിടെ വന്നത് കണ്ടു.പ. യാക്കൂബ് തൃതിയൻ പാത്രിയർക്കീസ് ബാവ റമ്പാനായിരു ന്നപ്പോൾ എഴുതിയ. '' സുറിയാനി സഭാചരിത്രം, 'പേജ് .149 ൽ എഴുതിയിരിക്കന്നു. AD 28 ൽ യേശുവിൻ്റ ശിഷ്യനായതോമ്മാ, ശ്ലീഹാ സ്ഥാനത്തേക്ക് ഉയർത്തപ്പെട്ടു എന്നും പേജ് 164 ൽ മലങ്കരയിൽ സുവിശേഷം അറിയിച്ചതിനു ശേഷം, ഈ ബാലസഭയെ ഭരിക്കാൻ ,, നാലു കുടുംബങ്ങളിൽ നിന്നും '.. പകലോമറ്റം ശങ്കരപുരി, കള്ളി, കാളിയാങ്കൽ, നിന്നും സ്ഥാനം കൊടുത്ത് പട്ടക്കാരെ വാഴിച്ചു എന്നും ...... പിന്നെ പാത്രിയർക്കീസായ പ്പോൾ വിധം മാറി 203 "കല്പ നയിൽ മാർ തോമ്മാ യ്ക്ക് പട്ടത്വം ഇല്ല എന്നും പറഞ്ഞു. അപ്പോഴും മലങ്കരയിൽ വന്നിട്ടില്ല എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞില്ല എന്നോർക്കണം. ഇത് ചരിത്രത്തിൽ ഉള്ളതാണ്. പിന്നെ ഒരുകാര്യം. സഭ ഒന്നായാൽ നല്ലത് എന്നും രണ്ടായാൽ അതിലും നല്ലത്വ എന്നും ജനം ചിന്തിച്ചു തുടങ്ങിയിരിക്കുന്നു.
Haa അപ്പോൾ ഷിബുചായാ ഒരു സംശയം പെന്തകോസ്ത്തിൽ തങ്ങൾ 10 15 വർഷം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു എന്നു കേട്ടു അപ്പോൾ അങ്ങനെ വരുമ്പോൾ സുറിയാനി സഭയിലോട്ട് തങ്ങൾ മാറിയാൽ തങ്ങളുടെ വായസിലെ 10 15 വർഷങ്ങൾ കൂട്ടില്ല?? പഴയ ആള് അല്ലാലോ താങ്ങൾ തങ്ങളുടെ ഉപദേശം മാറിയില്ലേ ആരാധന മാറിയില്ലേ അങ്ങനെ എങ്കിൽ തങ്ങളുടെ വാദം അനുസരിച് തങ്ങൾ ഒരു പുതിയ മനുഷ്യൻ ആയി അപ്പോൾ ഒന്ന് കുട്ടിയാൽ തങ്ങൾക്കിപോൾ 5 വയസേ ഒള്ളൂ എന്നു ഞാൻ തങ്ങളുടെ വാജകം കടം എടുത്തു പറഞ്ഞാൽ??
You people went after colonel munro for churches and he in turn used the opportunity for protestinization You have made up this story about meeting the Catholica priest..becoz they will never say like that.. I happened to understand that you people teach lot of wrong things at Sunday school At the time Malankara Orthodox church joined Antiochian church it was weak and had shifted to Syria Damascus..there they translated the Greek qurbana kramam to Syriac and it's west Syriac and came to be know as the Syrian Orthodox church. The only original syrian church is Church of the east which all nasranies were following till the advent of Portuguese Syro malabar church struggled to get back our liturgy and follow the same liturgy even in the Catholic church..
*കൂനൻ കുരിശു സത്യം* പ്രശസ്ത ചരിത്രകാരനായ സ്റ്റീഫൻ നീൽസിന്റെ പഠനത്തിൽ: "1653 ജനുവരിയിൽ, പുരോഹിതന്മാരും ആളുകളും മാറ്റാഞ്ചേരിയിലെ Our വർ ലേഡി പള്ളിയിൽ ഒത്തുകൂടി, ഒരു കുരിശിന് മുന്നിൽ നിൽക്കുകയും മെഴുകുതിരികൾ കത്തിക്കുകയും ചെയ്തു, അവർ ഇനി അനുസരിക്കില്ലെന്ന് വിശുദ്ധ സുവിശേഷത്തിൽ സത്യം ചെയ്തു. "കൂനൻ ക്രോസ്" (മട്ടാഞ്ചേരിയിലെ പള്ളിക്ക് പുറത്ത് നിൽക്കുന്ന ഓപ്പൺ എയർ ക്രോസ്) ന്റെ പ്രശസ്തമായ ശപഥമാണിത്. വിശുദ്ധ തോമസ് ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികൾ മാർപ്പാപ്പയിൽ നിന്ന് സ്വയം വേർപെടുത്താൻ ആഗ്രഹിക്കുന്നുവെന്ന് ഒരു ഘട്ടത്തിലും സൂചിപ്പിച്ചിട്ടില്ല. ഗാർസിയയുടെ അഹങ്കാരം അവർക്ക് ഇനി സഹിക്കാനായില്ല. അവരുടെ എല്ലാ പ്രശ്‌നങ്ങളും ആരോപിച്ച അമിതമായ മനോഭാവവും സഹാനുഭൂതിയുടെ അഭാവവുമാണ് ജെസ്യൂട്ടുകളെ അവർ വെറുക്കുന്നത്. എന്നാൽ മാർപ്പാപ്പ ഒരു യഥാർത്ഥ മെത്രാനെ ഒരു ജെസ്യൂട്ട് അല്ല അയയ്ക്കട്ടെ, അവനെ സ്വീകരിക്കാനും അനുസരിക്കാനും അവർ സന്തോഷിക്കും."
ഇൻഡ്യാ മഹാരാജ്യം പോലെ വിവധ തരമായി വിശ്വാസങ്ങളും ദൈവങ്ങളും ഉള്ള സ്ഥലത്ത് കുറച്ച് ......നിസംഗകോമാളികൾ...... ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നല്ലോ? അവരെ നശിപ്പിച്ചിട്ട് പലരും പ്രവർത്തിച്ചു. സുറിയാനി സഭ ഇല്ലായിരുന്നു എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞ് വിശ്വസിപ്പിച്ചാൽ ഇപ്രാഴുള്ള മക്കൾക്കു കൂടുതൽ അവിശ്വാസം വരുത്താമെന്നല്ലാതെ സത്യം മറക്കാൻ പറ്റില്ല.
ഷിബു സർ പറഞ്ഞതുവെച്ചു മനസ്സിൽ ആകുന്നത് വിശുദ്ധ തോമ ശ്ലീഹ ഇൻഡിൽ തന്റെ പ്രവർത്തന സമയത്തും അന്തോക്യമായി വളരെ വലിയ ബന്ധം പുലർത്തിയിരുന്നു കാണുവാൻ സാധിക്കുന്നു. അതുകൊണ്ട് ആണെന്ലോ ശ്ലീഹ യുടെ ശരീരം എടസായിൽ കൊണ്ട് പോകാൻ തീരുമാനം വന്നത്. പിന്നിട് വന്ന പിതാക്കന്മാരും തുടർന്നു വന്നു ഈ ബന്ധം. വൈദ്ദേശിക ആക്രമണമണത്തിൽ സഭആരാധന കളും വിശ്വസങ്ങളും (ആരാധന ഇല്ലാത്ത സാമൂഹ്മായിരുന്നു എന്ന് പറയുന്നതിനോട് യോജിക്കാൻ സാധിക്കില്ല 7 1/2 പള്ളികൾ അതിനു തെളിവ് ആണ് )മലങ്കര യിൽ നിന്നും തൂത്തു എറിയ പെട്ടപ്പോൾ അവരുടെ വിശ്വസം സ്വികരിക്കാതെ., അന്നു വരെ ഉള്ള വിശ്വസവും ആരാധനയും 1665യിൽ വീണ്ടും നമ്മൾക്ക് ആ അന്തോക്യ ബന്ധത്തിലുടെ തിരിച്ചു ലഭിച്ചു.അത്കൊണ്ട് മലങ്കര മക്കൾ അനാവശ്യമായ വാദമുഖങ്ങൾ ഒഴുവാക്കി ഒന്നായി ചേർന്നു മലങ്കര സഭ ഭാരതത്തിൽ ശക്മായി മുന്നോട്ടു പോകാൻ സാധിക്ക്ണം. അതോടൊപ്പം പരിശുദ്ധ അത്യോക്യ ൻ സഭയും അതിന്റെ ബഹുമാനവും, ആദരവും നൽകി സഹോദര സഭയായി ചേർത്ത് നിർത്തേണ്ടത്താണ്. പരിശുദ്ധ പത്രോസ്, പരിശുദ്ധ തോമ ശ്ലീഹ മാരുടെ സിംഹസങ്ങൾ നിലനിൽകേണ്ടത് മലങ്കര മക്കളുടെ ആവശ്യം ആണ്.കാരണം ഈ സഭകൾ രണ്ടും കാതോലികവും ശ്ലൈഹികവും ആണ്. ഇതു ഈ കാലത്തിന്റെ ആവശ്യകതയാണ്.1934ലെ ഭരണഘടന അതു നമ്മുടെ നിലനിൽപ്പിന് ആവശ്യമാണ്. ഒന്ന് മനസ്സിൽ ആക്ക്ണം 1934ലെ ഭരണഘടന നടപ്പിലാക്കുന്നത് നമ്മൾ ജനങ്ങൾ ആണ്. പിന്നെ എന്തിനു അതിന് എതിർക്ക്ണം? അത് ജനത്തിനു കിട്ടുന്ന സംരക്ഷണം സഭ യിൽ ഉറപ്പ് വരുത്തുന്നു. ഒന്നായി ഈ സത്യം സഭയെ മലങ്കരയിൽ സംരഷിക്കുക. ഇതു എന്റെ ഒരു ചിന്ത മാത്രം ❤❤❤
കേരളത്തിലെ ആദിമ കൃസ്ത്യാനികൾക്ക് ആത്മീയ നേതൃത്വം നൽകിയിരുന്നത് persian church of East എന്ന സഭയായിരുന്നു. AD 1500 കളിൽ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ (catholics) കേരളത്തിൽ എത്തുമ്പോൾ ഇവിടെ flourishing Christianity ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നതായും ഇവിടുത്തെ സഭക്ക് മാർപാപ്പായും ആയി ഒരു ബന്ധവും ഇല്ലായിരുന്നുവെന്നും ഇവിടുത്തെ സഭ ഭരിച്ചിരുന്നത് persiaയിൽ നിന്നുള്ള Nestorian മെത്രാൻമാർ ആണെന്നും അവർ മനസ്സിലാക്കി. ചരിത്രകാരൻമാർ ഇതൊക്കെ രേഖപ്പെടുത്തിയിട്ടുണ്ട്. പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ (catholics) പന്നീട് പ്രലോഭിപ്പിച്ചും പണം നൽകിയും ഈ ആദിമ കൃസ്ത്യാനികളുടെ പഠിപ്പിര് എല്ലാം തെറ്റാണെന്നും പറഞ്ഞ് നല്ലൊരൂ ഭാഗം ആദിമ സഭയിലെ വിശ്വാസികളെ കത്തോലികാ വിശ്വാസ ധാരയിൽ കൊണ്ടു വന്നു. ഇതിന് വഴങ്ങാത്ത ചിലരെ ഭീഷണിപ്പെടുത്തിയും കൊണ്ടുവന്നു. എറണാകുളം ജില്ലയിലെ ആലങ്ങട് എന്ന സ്ഥലത്ത് വെച്ച് ഒരു persian bishopനെ (Mar yakub എന്ന് മറ്റോ ആണ് പേര്) വരെ ഈ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ (catholics) കൊന്നു കളഞ്ഞിട്ടുണ്ട് .അതിന് ശേഷം persian സഭയിൽ നിന്നുള്ള മെത്രാൻമാരുടെ വരവ് നിലച്ചു. അവരുടെ വിശ്വാസ സംഹിതകൾ അടങ്ങിയ പുസ്തകങ്ങൾ എല്ലാം തീ ഇട്ട് നശിപ്പിച്ചു. ഈ പഴയ കൃസ്ത്യാനികളിൽ ചിലർ മാർപാപ്പയുടെയും അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെ കിങ്കരൻമാരായ ഈ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാരുടെയും(catholics) തൊലിവെളുപ്പും ഭംഗിയും പണകൊഴുപ്പും കണ്ട് കത്തോലികരായവരും ഉണ്ട് ( അഴകനെ കാണുമ്പോൾ "അപ്പാ" എന്ന് വിളിക്കുന്ന സ്വഭാവം). ഇങ്ങനെ ഉണ്ടായ സഭയാണ് സീറോ മലബാർ ചർച്ച് . ഏകദേശം ഈ കാലയളവിൽ തന്നെ ഇറാക്കിലെ persian chruch നെയും കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ വിഘടിപ്പിച്ചു. അവിടുത്തെ മെത്രാൻ ആയ "സുലാക്ക"" യെ പ്രലോഭിപ്പിച്ച് സഭയിൽ നിന്നും പുറത്തു ചാടിച്ചു. അങ്ങനെ ഉണ്ടായ സഭയാണ് ഇറക്കിലെ chaldean Catholic church . അത് പോലെ തന്നെ അന്തോക്യയിലെ സിറിയൻ ഓർത്തഡോക്സ് സഭയെ വിഘടിപ്പിച്ച് syrian catholic സഭ ഉണ്ടാക്കി മാർപാപ്പക്ക് കിഴിലാക്കി. മറ്റൊരു വിഭാഗം വിശ്വാസികൾ ഈ പ്രലോഭനങ്ങളിൽ ഒന്നും വിഴാതെ , മാർപാപ്പക്ക് കീഴ്പ്പെടില്ല എന്ന് നിശ്ചയദാർഡ്യത്തോടെ കൂനൻ കുരിശ് പിടിച്ച് സത്യം ചെയ്തു . ഈ വിഭാഗം ആത്മീയ നേത്രത്വത്തിനായി പിന്നീട് അന്തോക്യയിൽ നിന്ന് വന്ന മാർ ഗ്രിഗോറിയോസ് എന്ന മെത്രാന്റെ കീഴിൽ വരുകയും അങ്ങനെ യക്കോബായ സഭ നിലവിൽ വരുകയും ചെയ്തു . പിന്നീട് ഈ സഭയിൽ വിഘടനം ഉണ്ടാക്കി കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ നേടിയെടുത്തതാണ് മലങ്കര കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭ. പ്രത്യേകിച്ചും കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭ പോലുള്ള വളരെ വലിയ സഭകൾ തങ്ങളുടെ ആൾബലത്തിലും പണകൊഴുപ്പുകൊണ്ടും ക്രിസ്തുവിന് നിരക്കാത്ത പ്രവർത്തികളിലൂടെ മറ്റു കൃസ്തീയ സഭകളെ പ്രലോഭിപ്പിച്ചു തന്ത്രപരമായി ഒതുക്കിയും ക്രിസ്തുവിലുള്ള വിശ്വാസം ഊട്ടി ഉറപ്പിക്കുന്നതിന് പകരം തങ്ങളുടെ സഭ വലുതാക്കണം എന്ന ലക്ഷ്യത്തോടെയാണ് പ്രവത്തിച്ചത് . ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ പേരിലാണ് ഇതൊക്കെ നടന്നത് എന്നത് തികച്ചും പരിതാപകരമാണ് . സഹദാ എന്ന വാക്ക് തന്നെ eastern syric ആണ് . ഗീവർഗീസ് സഹദാ persian chuch of east ന്റെ പുണ്യാളൻ ആണ് . അങ്കമാലി പള്ളിയുടെ പഴയ പേര് ഹോർദ്മിസ് സഹദാ church എന്നാണ്. പിന്നെയും ഇത്തരത്തിൽ പേരുകളുണ്ട് ... കർദഹ് സഹദാ...കുരിയക്കോസ് സഹദാ... പണ്ട് ഈ പാരമ്പര്യ സഭകൾ ചെയ്തിരുന്ന ക്രൂരത കൾ വെച്ച് നോക്കുമ്പോൾ ഇന്നത്തെ പെന്തക്കോസ്തൽ സഭകൾ ചെയ്യുന്ന തെറ്റുകൾ തുലോം നിസാരമാണ്..
1600നു മുൻപ് പേർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയുമായി ബന്ധപെട്ടിരുന്നു. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭയിൽ ഒരു കാതോലിക്കാ നെസ്തോറിയാൻ വിശ്വസം സ്വീകരിച്ചു. നിലവിൽ അവിടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ ക്ഷ യിക്കുകയും മുസ്ലീം സമുദായം പിന്നീട് അടിച്ചമർത്തി 90%ആളുകളും മുസ്ലീങ്ങൾ ആവുകയും ചെയ്തു. പെർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ വിശ്വസം മലങ്കരയിൽ സ്വീകരിച്ചു. പിന്നീട് പേർഷ്യൻ നെസ്തോറിയാൻ വിശ്വാസികൾ ഇവിടെ വരുകയും കുറേപേർ കുറേക്കാലം നെസ്തോറിയാൻ വിശ്വസം മുസ്ലീം മതം മാറ്റം പെർഷ്യയിൽ നടന്നത്തോടെ മലങ്കരയിലും നെസ്തോറിയിസം ഇല്ലാതായി പോർട്ഗീസ് അധിപത്യത്തോടെ കാതോലിക്കാ സഭ മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ മേൽ അതീശത്വം ഉറപ്പിക്കാൻ 1600നു ശേഷം ഉദയപേരൂർ സുന്നഹാദോസിൽ കൂടി ശ്രെമിച്ചു. പേർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് വിശ്വസത്തോട് താൽപ്പര്യം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ബഹുഭൂരിപക്ഷം കൂനൻകുരിശു സത്യത്തോടെ വിദേശ സഭകളുമായി ബന്ധം വിശ്ചേധിച്ചു. ഇക്കാലയളവിയിൽ മാർത്തോമാമെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത കാലം ചെയ്തു. സഭ കൂടി ഒന്നൊരണ്ടോ അച്ചന്മാരെ അന്തിയോകിയൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയിൽ അയച്ചു മെത്രാൻ ആക്കാൻ വിട്ടു. അന്നുതൊട്ട് അന്തിയൊക്കിയാൻ ആരാധനരീതി മലങ്കരയിൽ വരുന്നത്. എന്നാൽ പേർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ ആരാധനയും അന്തിയൊക്കിയാൻ ആരാധനയും വലിയ വ്യത്യാസം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നില്ല. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭാ അധ്യക്ഷൻ കാതോലിക്കയും പാശ്ചാത്യ സഭയായ അന്തയോക്കിയാ പാത്രിക്കീസ്മാണ് രണ്ടു സഭകൾ തമ്മിൽ ബന്ധം ഉണ്ടെങ്കിലും പെർഷ്യൻ സഭക്ക് സ്വതന്ത്രവകാശം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു മുസ്ലീം പീഡനവും നെസ്തോറിയാൻ അധികാര വടംവലിയും ആ സഭയെ നശിപ്പിച്ചു. പ്രെസ്തുത കാതോലിക്കാ സ്ഥാനമാണ് അന്തിയൊക്കിയാൻ പത്രികീസാൽ മലങ്കരഓർത്തഡോൿസ്‌ സഭയിൽ പുനസ്ഥാപിച്ചു. I665തൊട്ടു അന്തിയൊക്കിയചില പത്രിക്കീസുമാർ ആ സഭയുടെ കീഴിൽ കൊണ്ടുപിടിച്ചു ശ്രെമം നടത്തി. ചില അധികാര മോഹികളായ മെത്രാന്മാർ അതിനു കൂട്ട് നിന്നു ബഹുഭൂരിപക്ഷം അതിനു കൂട്ട് നിന്നില്ല. അതിന്റെ പേരിൽ പിന്നെ മുടക്കു കല്പന ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടായി. മലങ്കര സഭ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ ഒരിക്കലും ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് വിശ്വസം തള്ളി പറഞ്ഞില്ല. ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭകൾ പലതുണ്ട്. അതിലൊരു സഭയാണ് മലങ്കര ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ അന്തിയൊക്കിയൻ സഭ മലങ്കര ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയുടെ ജേഷ്ട സഹോദരി മാത്രം. സഭകളുടെ യോജിപ്പ് പരസ്പരം വിട്ടു വീഴ്ചയോട് കൂടി ചെയ്യുന്നത് ഉത്തമം ആണ്. അന്തിയൊക്കിയാപാത്രിക്കീസ് മലങ്കരസഭയിൽ ഭരണപരമായ അവകാശം വേണ്ട. അതാണ് നല്ലത്. ഇതൊക്കെ പരിശോധിച്ചാണ് സുപ്രീം കോടതി 58,95,2017കാലയളവിലെനിഷ്പക്ഷ വിധികൾ. അത് മാനിച്ചു യോജിക്കുക
ഒരു സംഭവം പറയാൻ എല്ലാവരും വിട്ടുപോകുന്നു ആദ്യത്തെ സിറിയൻ കുടിയേറ്റം ക് നായി തോമായുടെ നേതൃത്വത്തിൽ ആയിരുന്നു അത് വീരവടി യാൻ കഥകൾ ഒന്നു പരിശോധിച്ചു നോക്കുക അദ്ദേഹമാണ് ഇവിടെ ഏഴരപ്പള്ളികൾ സ്ഥാപിക്കുന്നത് എന്നുകാണാം
Catholicism and Orthodox Liturgy are two different Liturgies. Cannot compare even if both have used East Syriac as a language. Original Christianity had it roots from Arameic Jews. The Liturgy has Jewish touch and feel to it. The great Schism has the roots of difference in Catholicism and Orthodoxy. St. Thomas has no connection to Catholic teachings or Liturgy. The Language shouldn't be the factor to decide the original tradition. Look at Orthodox churches around the globe they are the original true faith.
@@elvisgeorge9613 St. Thomas came to India to share the Gospel to the Jewish people living in Malabar and elsewhere. The Church Liturgy he introduced had it's origins from Edessa (Mesopotamia). St. Thomas was a Syrian Jew first. The Syrian Liturgy he introduced in Kerala was based in East Syriac but from Persia. The initial Christian converts were from Jewish relegion and they combined Jewish customs into the Orthodox christian liturgy even before Apostle Thomas's voyage to the Malabar. The Nestorian Church's ignorance of a heresy in the church after the council of Ephesus in AD 449. So like the Nestorian Church, Malankara Church did not go through changes in the christian faith, until the Portugese invasion. By the order of Bishop Menezes of Goa lot of East Syriac Manuscripts were burnt down. Thus shutting us from obtaining the true facts on our roots of orthodox liturgy and tradition. Portugese wanted to introduce Catholicism and they were successful in hijacking "Pazhayakuttukar" faction into Catholicism and forming the Syro Malabar Church. We were called "Puthenkuttukar" mainly because we had the Syrian church of Antioch to support. Also, the liturgical continuity of the Church of the east in Persia or the nestorian church can be traced back to the Original Church in Antioch. East and the West Syrian Script in the liturgy was different.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century. The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.* When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church. *Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc. *The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.* Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa. When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.* Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.* During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.* The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.* During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East. So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East. Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._* *_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
@@4youreyes The arguments for the Antiochian relationship are not historical and have no support of evidence. I will show you why. 1. Firstly, *Patriarch of Antioch* had authority only over the *' East' province of Roman Empire.* The Roman Empire had a *province( called diocese) called Orients* ( which means East). This is where the Patriarch of Antioch had any authority over. Egypt was excluded from the authority of Antioch and was granded to Alexandria. This was the basic reason of struggles between Antioch and Alexandria. *So Bishop of Antioch( later Grand Metropolitan and finally Patriarch) had authority only till the boundaries of the Roman Empire.* The Authority of the Church beyond Roman Empire's Eastern boundary was largely decentralised. Later the authority over the Church of these regions were consolidated in the *Patriarchate of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon.* *The schisms of 431 and 451 and later Jacobite schism of 518 led to the erection of rebell patriarchates everywhere throughout the once undivided and now divided Church.* Thus the *Maphrianate of Tigrit* was founded by the *Miaphysite Jacobite Church* to act as a rebell against the *Patriarchate of Babylon* and to act as an *ecclesiastical Hierarchy over Jacobite converts in Sassanian Empire.* It started using title of Catholicose , like the Patriarch of the Church of the East, in direct opposition after 628. But "the position of 'Catholicose' is historically equal to that of 'Patriarch'. The title 'Patriarch' is introduced only after the 5th century. The title of Catholicose is much older. _In Armenian Church Patriarch is under Catholicose and in Jacobite Church, Catholicose is under Patriarch_ ( _ both are not historical_ ) *_You should also keep in mind that none of the other Patriarchates of Antioch( Maronite, Melkite, Greek Orthodox, Syriac Catholic) has or ever had a position called Catholicose under their respective Sees to supervise their faithful in the Sassanid Regions._* 2. The Church in India never had any administrative or spiritual relationship with the Church of Antioch. All evidences show clearly that the Church in India was under the *Church of Persia.* Later the *Bishop of Revardshir in Persia* assumed Metropolitan title and *India became its saffragan see.* Later the *Church of India was reorganized and was raised to Metropolitan status directly under the Patriarchate of Babylon.* This process was initiated by *Patriarchs Ishoyab and Yahaballaha and completed by Patriarch Thimothy the Great* who are undoubtedly Patriarchs of Babylon of the Church of the East. All evidences found is in support of this tradition. The *Chaldean Catholic Church* was formed only in 1552 through a schism in the *Church of the East.* Only two bishops, namely *Mar Iosep Sulaqa and Mar Avraham* have assumed the leadership of the Church of India from this faction. The rest of the bishops who came before were all from the undivided Church of the East. During the *Synod of Diamper* in1559, the *administrative relation between the Church of India with the Patriarchate of Babylon was deprived permanently.* Later tensions between the Portuguese Padroado Archbishop and Archdeacon Thomas detoriated. This and many other conflicts led to the *Coonan cross Oath* of 1653. This culminated into the eventual division of St. Thomas' Nazrenes of India into two factions each led by Catholic *Bishop Chandy Parambil* and *Archdeacon Thomas* respectively. After 1663 , Archdeacon Thomas Parambil contacted with various Church leaders through merchants to recieve an episcopate to block the flow of the faction of Christians from his leadership back into the Catholic faction led by his own cousin Bishop Chandy Parambil. *In 1665, a bishop arrived from Patriarchate of Antioch to Malabar Coast in the person of Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel* who introduced Antiochian Jacobite liturgy , traditions and priesthood for the first time in Malabar. The arrival of *Mor Ivanios Hidayattullah, Mor Sakkrallah,* etc. led to *Chengannur Palliyogam* in which *Antiochian liturgy* was accepted in this faction. *Mavelikkara Padiyola and Mullunthuruthy Synod* cemented the Antiochian Patriarchate's temporal and ecclesiastical dominance over the faction. Dissatisfaction due to all these efforts arose from various leaders throughout the period and this led to *division of this faction further into Five different factions.* The major division took place in 1912 , which led to huge thread to the dominance of the Patriarch of Antioch.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century. The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.* When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church. *Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc. *The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.* Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa. When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.* Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.* During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.* The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.* During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East. So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East. Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._* *_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
The Pre-diamper liturgy of Kerala Christians was not Antiocan but it was a proved truth that East syrian. That's Adai Mari liturgy and the bishops were sent from Persia and administrations were done by the archdicons. They were based in Kuravilangadu and led the community called St.Thomas Christians. The only remady to solve the present despute is to accept all the churches who claim St. Thomas tradition has to accept the East syrian liturgy and traditions.
This is the truth
സഭചരിത്രവും ആ ചാരനുഷ്ട്ടാനെങ്ങ്ൾ രക്ഷാമാർഗമാണോ?
ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റ പേരും പറഞ്ഞു മനുഷന്റ് താല്പര്യവും സാർതതെയും അനുസരിച്ചു ആചാരങ്ങളും വിശ്വാസങ്ങളിൽ ഭേദഗ്തിചെയ്തും നിലവിലുള്ള സഭാവിഭാഗങ്ങളിൽ ഏതാണ് സത്യസഭ, സകലരും പറയുന്നു ഞങ്ങളാണ് ശെരി. എല്ലാ മതസത്തെരും പറയുന്നു ഞങ്ങളുടെ മതമാണ് ശെരി എന്നു പറയുന്നത് പോലെയല്ലേ?
Ee east syrian evide ninnundaayi ennu adyam padikku.Kashtam..
Valla pottanmarodum poyi vilambu
An excellent, briefed ( 1st Century to till today) historical events of Christianity formation in Kerala which has been linked with Rev Fr Dr.O.Thomas latest speech. Well researched speech. My prayers to Mr.Shibu.
*The Chronicle of Seert is a historical document compiled in the Middle Ages. In this Chronicle, the Church in India is mentioned along with the history of Persian Church and the Patriarchs (Catholicoi) of Babylon. It also states that during the reigns of Shahlufa and Papa bar Aggai as the heads of Persian Church, the Persian bishop David of Basra preached the Gospel in India.[6] Some historians' records regarding the participation of Bishop John representing Persia and India as the Bishop of the all of Persia and Greater India in the first Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in 325 A. D. remains a matter of contention among historians.*
*Ishodad was a famous Bible scholar who lived in Persia in the 5th century. In his commentary on the Epistle to Romans, a note is scribbled in the margin that may be translated as: This article is translated by Mar Komai with the help of Daniel, an Indian priest, from Greek to Syriac. This statement reveals the connection between the Indian priest Daniel and the Persian bishop Mar Komai* .
This is the problem with all the Indian church historians. The chronicle of Seert does not say explicitly Kerala, it says India. India in the medieval period means the region beyond river Indus or Sindhu river , ie., the present day Pakistan and portions of Afganistan. So please try to understand the history correctly.
മാർത്തോമ്മാ നസ്രാണ്ടികളുടെ പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനി (കൽദായ ) സഭയുമായുള്ള ബന്ധം നമ്മുക്ക് നിക്ഷേധിക്കാനാവില്ല. കാരണം പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനിയിലെ ചില പ്രയോഗങ്ങൾ ഇന്നും മലങ്കര സഭയിൽ തുടരുന്നുണ്ട്. ഉദാഹരണത്തിനു ; അന്ത്യോക്യൻ സുറിയാനിയിൽ (West Syrian) 'കുർബാനൊ' യെന്നും , 'മോർ' എന്നും പറയുമ്പോൾ പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനിയിൽ 'കുർബാന' യെന്നും 'മാർ' യെന്നും പറയുന്നു. അതുപോലെ തന്നെ പഴയ മാർത്തോമ്മ കുരിശിലെ പഹലവി ലിപികളും മറ്റും പേർഷ്യയിലേയും ഏദേസയിലേയും ബാബിലോണിലുമുണ്ടായിരുന്ന പൗരസ്ത്യാ സുറിയാനി(നെസ്തോറിയൻ) സഭയുമായി കണക്ട് ചെയ്യുന്നു.
Well said we are Mar Thoma christians existing from 1st century.The Portuguese bishop and his associates spoiled all our historical records and they claim that they are pazhaya koottukar,and call us puthen koottukar.Actually we the Syrians christians or the malankara christians are pazhaya koottukar.Since they had money and muscle power,they over ruled us.Still now ,we,the orthodox Christians fight each other and becoming a laughing stock to those who really destroyed us.Let us pray for the unity of malankara church.
ഉദയംപേരൂർ സൂനഹദോസിന് മുൻപുള്ള മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ ആരാധനാക്രമം നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആയിരുന്നു. ആ ആരാധനാക്രമം ഇന്ന് ആകെ പാലിക്കുന്നത് കേരളത്തിലെ സിറോ മലബാർ സഭയും കൽദായ സഭയുമാണ്. ഇനി മലങ്കര സഭയിൽ നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമം ഇല്ലായിരുന്നെങ്കിൽ പിന്നെയെവിടുന്നു കേരളത്തിലെ ഏറ്റവും വലിയ നസ്രാണി സഭയായ സിറോ മലബാർ സഭയ്ക്ക് നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമം ലഭിച്ചു?
Nuna parayuuunathinu oru Paridhi vende.Charithram sharikku padikkathathinte kuzhappamanu..Ok..
@@manuabraham2135 ശരി. സിറോ മലബാർ സഭയ്ക്ക് നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമം എവിടുന്നു ലഭിച്ചു എന്നു പറയൂ.
@@manuabraham2135 Ullathu parayumbol chettan thullathe. Charithram padikkathath thankalanu. Antiochean rite keralathil undayirunnilla
@@pesterjohn5166 ninte sabha padippicha vanacharithram padichu vachirikkunnavaralla kerathile mattu suriyaani sabhakal.
Athukondu ninnodonnum tharkkichittum kaaryamilla...Sulle....
@@manuabraham2135 Keralathile sabhaykku anthokyayile jonakarude konan kazhukiyirunna pattam mudakkapetta Abdul Jaleel enna patriarchisumayi oru bandhavum illa. Keralathile vishwasilal antiochia ennu 1665 nu munp kettittu polum undakilla. Enne sabha padippicha charithram Alla. We don't have anything to do with Antiochia or Rome. We were EAST SYRIAC, KALDAYA OR NESTORIAN
Then why are there East Syriac words in Malayalam but almost no West Syriac words in the Malayalam dictionary? And what about the Patriarch-Catholicos Timothy I and how he consecrated bishops and made a new province just for India? Why doesn't Bar Ebraya mention a single bishop consecrated for India or a single diocese for India? How come there is only a single West Syriac manuscript before the 1600s while there are numerous East Syriac inscriptions and manuscripts in Kerala? Why did we wholly accept Mar Abraham, Mar Deneha, and Mar Joseph Sulaqa while very few ( 20 or so churches) accepted Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel Bava? Please do not twist history......I am a Syro Malabar Catholic (although I prefer to be known as a Malankara Nasrani we all are spiritual children of Mar Thoma Sleeha) and I support the Jacobites but the twisting of history done by the Jacobites is fully wrong.
Just watch the video. Your answer is there.
July 3 എങ്ങനെ st. Thomas day ആയി. തോമാശ്ലീഹാ ജനിച്ച ദിവസമാണോ മരിച്ച ദിവസമാണോ? അതിനുള്ള ഉത്തരമായാൽ എല്ലാമായി
1.when mar Abraham came to India our church Father's came to know during the discussion he is Nestorian they didn't accept him(if our doctrine is agree with them we would accept him fully).its in 1552/53. Diamper syned is in 1599.
Portuguese church authority forcefully introduce latinization without the permission of our gheevargheese archdicon.they try to distroy all evidence. We have.and should consider the rulers of that era.
2.Joseph the Indian.(Shibu's previous video explain it)
3.Nestorian church (inside) should (strict) have some design. rules
Any of our old church have such evidence of church building.
4.And many of our church is dedicated in the name of St Mary.
Nestorian church doesn't have that .
Nestorian church Bishops came in to India only after 1300.
Every evidence we have most of them were distroyed by Portuguese They consider us as slaves.(consider the political era)
And consider the split in the church of the East in 1553.from that date Catholic church implement new theory to split Eastern Churches and make more genuine that Pope is the leader of all Christians in the world. (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches)
We should consider the fact from (345) knayi Thoma he came from edessa.
Due to the language in the cross(8th century) it is evident that it was not Nestorian.
After Conan cross oath. No one see ahathulla bava. Portuguese tell that they didn't kill him.we should consider how cruel they are.
Palliveettil chandy he was one of the 4advisors of marthoma 1.(en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoma_I) he betry his leader and move to Catholic side and they make him as Bishop. After him syro Malabar church had only two native continues Bishops. Europiuns rule directly after that. (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliveettil_Chandy)
Anjilimoottil ettithomman cathanar had write a letter to palliveettil chandy about the betrayal.
Hindu Kings are puppets of Portuguese rulers so every decision made to the faver of Portuguese church.
We should consider the fact that before the Portuguese every church was under archdeacon. And they forceully imprisoned gheevargheese cathanar and latinized our church.and destroy all evidence we have. Before the arrival of Portuguese every church in Malankara consider archdicon as our leader and we selected him from us. Then Portuguese came an took our church
From every side Portuguese corner our archdeacon and took most church cathanars their side by force to be accept latin.and consider many of well people are business mens so they want to continue their trade with them so they move to Latin side even though in mind they didn't agree with them.
Kadavil chandy cathanar was regret the decision to the of favor Catholic church and when it knows the Portuguese catholics( foreign rule changed from Portuguese to Dutch).they took him to dutch higherarchy and make a promise do not leave Catholic side.
Sorry to say syro Malabar church try to make more history to favor to them.because every one try that
Majority can change the history.
In 893 Eliya ibn ʿUbaid also known as Īlīyā al-Jawharī, the famous chronographer of the Nestorian Church of the East, published a detailed list of metropolitan provinces and dioceses in the Assyrian Church of the East. However India or Malankara does not appear in that list . Also the numerous inscriptions in Malankara that you are referring to are in the Estrangelo script, which is still used in the Syriac Orthodox Church to write headings, titles and inscriptions. I think you should read an article written by the Catholic Servant of God, Mar Ivanious archive.org/details/fourhistoricdocu0000kuri/page/114/mode/2up
@@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox Shlama my friend!
Yes, you may be correct (emphasis on "may") but it was Mar Timothy I, Patriarch-Catholicos of the East, who reigned from 780-823 and it was he sent Mar Sabor and Mar Proth and created a new province just for us. Next, you claim that the Estrangelo Script was used by the Syriac Orthodox Church. This may be correct. I am yet to see any Syriac Orthodox using Estrangelo but even then, it would be noted that we too, use the script for the exact same reason. That is, both the Syro Malabar and Assyrian Church of the East. And no, not all of those inscriptions are Estrangelo either.
www.nasrani.org/downloads/SyriacInscriptionsInKerala.pdf
You may notice that West Syriac inscriptions only appear in Puthenkoor churches right? Plus, you'll see many East Syriac inscription, particularly on stone crosses like the ones found in Koratty and Moozhikulam. You will also notice that the Estrangelo found in the crosses of Kottayam Valliyapalli, and inscriptions in Kudamaloor, Kaduthuruthy, and such all use East Syriac vowels (I do know how to read Syriac btw.) O and look what I found here:
"The Nomocanon is chronologically ordered.Eliya compiled a list of the dioceses of the Church of the East. This list is of immense value to the historian, but it is not a complete list. It does not include the dioceses of the province of China or the province of India"
Eby Philip very good description. We the South Alleppy District.Kollam.Pathanam titta,,a re not aware of the PATRIARCH contributions. The PATRIARCH limits their visit up to Kottaym. So our relationship with Patriarch was almost NIL.
We can KEEP OUR relationship with Patriarch even after unity.
St Mary's Jacobite Syrian Church, Angamaly (now known as St. Mary's Soonoro Cathedral) is believed to be built in AD 409 and is the first church built in Angamaly. It is an ancient church and one of the most prominent churches in Kerala. It was the seat of the Archdeacon, the local head of the Malankara Church and hence held an important position in Malankara for many centuries.[1]
It is not AD 409 but Kollavarsham 409 which means 1234 AD ( 825+409=1234). This is a mistake most of the church historians make. Construction of churches started in Kerala only after 825 AD ! Before that even though there were isolated Christians in Kerala coast as reported by few of the foreign travellers, there was no place for organised christian worship. The first church ever built in Kerala is the one at Kollam ie., Tharissa pally ( of the Tharissappaly Cheped fame of 849 AD) built in 825 AD at Thevally (from Thevar Pally) and in commemoration of that the Kollavarsham was started by the bishops Mar Sabore and Mar Aphroth !
St Mary's Soonoro cathedral the most underrated church in Kerala built-in 9th century AD
*Persian Church Records*
Several evidences are available from the historical records of Persian Church and letters of Persian bishops which corroborate the Malankara-Persian relation. Meanwhile , there is not even a single mention about the Church of India in the Jacobite Church records.
In the 5th century, Mar Mani, the Persian archbishop of Rev Ardashir recorded that while sending his theological works and the works and translations of other Persian bishops to various places, they were sent to India as well.
In the 6th century during the reign of Persian emperor Khosrau II, bishop Marutha reached Persia as the delegate of the Roman Emperor and visited the Persian Patriarch Sabrisho I (594-604). It is recorded that during this visit, the Patriarch presented bishop Marutho with fragrant spices and other special gifts which he had received from India.
Two letters from Persian Patriarch Ishoyahb III to the Metropolitan bishop of Fars between 650 and 660 A. D. show that the Indian Christians were under the jurisdiction of the Persian Patriarchate.[12] In the 7th century, Fars was an eparchy (ecclesiastical province) in the Persian Church with Rev Ardashir as its capital. At that time, Metropolitan bishop Simon of Rev Ardashir was in charge of the affairs of the Church of India. However, a situation arose in which the bishop became hostile to the Patriarch, resulting in excommunication. In his letter, the Patriarch reprimands the bishop and complains that because of the opposition of the bishop, it was impossible to tend to the spiritual needs of the faithful in India. The Patriarch adds that the Indians were cut off from the Patriarchate and the annual offertory given to the Patriarch by the Indians was no longer given. Following this, Patriarch Ishoyahb III issued an encyclical releasing the Church of India from the jurisdiction of Fars eparchy and appointed a Metropolitan Bishop for India. According to the canons of Persian Church in the medieval centuries, the bishop of India came tenth in the ecclesiastical hierarchy, followed by the bishop of China. The title of the Metropolitan bishop of India was the Metropolitan and Gate of all India.
During the reign of Patriarch Timothy the Great (780-823) also, the Patriarch released the Church of India from the authority of the bishop of Fars, placing it under his direct jurisdiction. Historians refer to two letters written by Patriarch Timothy with regard to the Church of India. The first letter contains guidelines for the election of Metropolitans. The letter demands that the acknowledgement of the Patriarch must be obtained after the people selected bishops based on the guidelines set by the Patriarch, before requesting the acknowledgement of the Emperor. In the second letter addressed to the Archdeacon of Malankara, the Patriarch mentions some violations of canon in the Church of India. The Patriarch also demands that bishops should abstain from entering wedlock and consuming meat.
While writing about the journeys of Nestorian missionaries during his reign, Timothy I himself says (in Letter 13) that a number of monks go across the sea to India with nothing but a staff and a beggar's bag.
In the Persian Church, the bishops were supposed to report to the Patriarch every year. However, Patriarch Theodosius (853-858) suggested that the bishops of distant places like India and China need to report only once every six years, owing to the great distance.
In 1129, in response to the request of the Church of India, the Persian Patriarch Eliya II sent bishop Mar Yohannan to Malabar (Kerala, India). Mar Yohannan reached Kodungallur and gave the Church spiritual leadership from there. In 1490, a three-member delegation of the Christians of Malankara left for Baghdad with a petition to the Patriarch requesting him to appoint a Metropolitan Bishop for them. One of them perished on the way. The remaining two, named George and Joseph, were ordained to priesthood by Patriarch Shemʿon IV Basidi. The Patriarch selected two monks from the monastery of Mar Augen and consecrated them as bishops Mar Thoma and Mar John. These bishops accompanied the two priests on their return to India. Bishop Mar John died shortly after. Later, Mar Thoma and the priest Joseph returned to Baghdad.
Patriarch Eliya V, who ascended the throne in 1502, sent three bishops, namely Mar Yabalaha, Mar Yakob and Mar Denaha to Malankara. By the time they reached Malankara, the Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama had already set foot in Kerala. The three bishops were detained by the Portuguese. Few years later, Patriarch Abdisho IV Maron sent bishop Abraham to Malankara. Mar Abraham was also imprisoned by the Portuguese. Mar Abraham died in 1597. Thus, the authority of Persian bishops in Malankara reached its termination.
oldest bible in india bachuchan bible is in west syriac and antiochian church also used east syrian . addai and marri came to existence only in 3rd century how can that be used by christians whose existence before 300 AD is avaliable
Christianity was there in malankara before 1599 in an unorganized manner like any other Indian religion. There may not have a concept of church like what is in the western world. But question is how it sustained for 1599 year . So there should a infulace or patron of other church, of which east syriac church had influenced as what historians say. But due to the distance., they too could not make a church authority over people of malankara. So it is right to say Roman catholic church try to organize it and due to Portuguese colonial rule, people felt as if it is over powering their rights and way of life they followed before. That can be, the only reason for the uprising leading to coonen cross oath. At the same time we can see that the east syriac church as become so week in Persia during those times, they could not sent bishops to malankara. So in such circumstances, the communication may some how reached other churches in west asia through our own trader or other traders. So in good faith west syriac head may have send their bishops in 1665. This created the west syriac influences in malankara. Later when they realized, it was an opportunity to get into temporal power of malankara , as churches in west asia was weakening day by day so they may have thought that way, then again the malankara people raised there voice against people taking way their freedom. So if we see all the split are one way or the other caused by greed of foreign powers and their local kingpins
Catholic church - due to Portuguese greed
Malabar Independent Syrian church -- due to Antiochian and local greed
CSI church -- due to British greed
Marthoma church - due to British and local Antiochian greed.
Malankara catholic church -- due to Antiochian local and Catholic greed.
Jacobites church -- Antiochian and local Antiochian greed.
Malankara orthodox church -- local Antiochian greed.
Pentecost church -- local individuals greed.
St. Mary's Church or Marth Maryam Cathedral is a valiyapally (principal church) situated in Kothamangalam town of India. It is located in Ernakulam district of Kerala state, India.
It is one of the most ancient Christian churches in India. It is believed that the church was founded on or before 4th century by a few Syrian Christian families who migrated from Paravur and Angamali. The new church established in AD 1338 by four Syrian Christian merchants who bought the entire land of Kothamangalam from a local chief for commodity trading with the nearby state of Tamil Nadu.
History
Kothamangalam was a major commercial city during the Portuguese period. The Marth Maryam church at Kothamangalam, commonly known as Valiyapally is the oldest of all the churches in the region. Present Kothamangalam region was historically known as Malakhachira (മാലാഖച്ചിറ).[2] The name came from a legend associated with Thomas the Apostle. According to tradition, the Apostle, during his mission in India, stayed in this region where he had a vision of archangel Gabriel who instructed him to found seven and a half churches in Malankara.[3][4][5] One of the churches founded by St Thomas is called Gokkamangalam=> Kokkamangalam=> Kotamanagalam=>Kothamangalam. It should be mentioned that no other ancient churches in Kerala bring forward any claim for the ancient Gokkamangalam church established by St. Thomas. According to tradition, Mar Yuhannon who represented the Malankara Church at the Holy Synod of Ephesus in AD 431 stayed at Kothamangalam church and had visited Angamaly Church.
Piravam church
About 2000 years ago, "…after the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of king Herod the "Wisemen" from the east (The Magi) reached Bethlehem through Jerusalem. The "star" they saw in the east was moving to direct them till they reached the birthplace of Infant Jesus… They saw the young child on the lap of mother Mary, knelt down and worshipped him. They opened their treasures and presented gifts to him: Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh (St. Mathew 2:1-11) And they returned with exceeding joy and satisfaction to their home land in the east. The Wisemen (Holy kings) were scholars, rulers and devotees. The legends name them as Melchior, Gaspar and Balthazar. Old Melchior, middle aged Gaspar and young Belthazar visited Infant Jesus. When they reached back their homeland, they built an edifice in the Indian style and here they began to worship the Holy infant. As such piravom valiyapally is the first church in the world, where worshipping Jesus Christ started. During the 5th Century, this building may have been rebuilt as a Christian church as we now see, " The Piravom Valiyapally"
karingachira Pally
Karingachira St. George's Church, established in 722 AD (Makaram 13), is one of the ancient churches of the Malankara Syrian Orthodox Church. St. Thomas, one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ, is the founder of the ancient church in India. Christian writers and historians from the 4th century refer to the evangelistic work of Apostle Thomas in India, and the Indian Christians ascribe the origin of their church to the labors of the apostle in the 1st century.
"Insistent tradition ascribes the introduction of Christianity to India to the Apostle Thomas, one of the original Twelve."
It is reasonable to believe that the St. Thomas came to India, preached the gospel, established the church and died there as a martyr. It is believed that St.Thomas arrived in Cranganore, Kerala, India, in 52 AD He preached the gospel and founded churches at seven places; Cranganore, Palur, Paraur, Gokkamangalam, Niranam, Chayal and Quilon, and appointed prelates and priests. He is believed to have been martyred at Mylapur, Madras, India, around 72 AD Malankara Orthodox Church in India is as old as any other ancient Christian communities elsewhere in the world.
16 am nootandil Roman adinivesham..undayapol syro malabar sabha alle catholic communian il Chernath..Avark anthokiyan realation undayirnilla. Avar use cheyyunath east syriac liturgy anu ..so Anthokian liturgy malankarayil vannath after 1665 .
Catholics nerthetott syrian liturgy use chyyunnavrayirunnenkil ntukond ningde changancherry pala sidukalilulla syrian catholics in matram kothamangalam bhaagthulla catholics ninn vetyestamaayi ulla liturgy vann (latinkareyalla udeshyche) .
Eaast Syriacil ulla Yacobinte Thaksa Malankarayil undu.East Syriac arudeyum kuthakayalla. Also the Buchanan Bible.
@@biker5719 hahaha
ദൈവം സ്ഥാപിച്ച സഭയാണ് പരി. സുറിയാനി സഭ...ദൈവത്താൽ പരിപാലിക്കപ്പെട്ട സഭ....പുണ്യപിതാക്കൻമാർ ജീവൻ നൽകി സംരക്ഷിച്ച സഭ..
മെനസിസ് മെത്രാച്ചന്റെ വേദോപരീതികളെ തകർത്തെറിഞ്ഞ് സുറിയാനി സഭയെ സത്യവിശ്വാസത്തിൽ അടിയുറപ്പിച്ച് നിർത്താൻ മലങ്കരയിലേക്ക് എഴുന്നള്ളി പറങ്കികൾ അറബിക്കടലിൽ ജീവനോടെ കെട്ടി താഴ്ത്തിയ അഹ്ത്തുള്ള ബാവ..., സത്യവിശ്വാസം സംരക്ഷിക്കുവാൻ മലങ്കരയിലേക്കെഴുന്നള്ളിയ ഊർശ്ശേമിന്റെ പാത്രിയർക്കീസായിരുന്ന മോർ ഗ്രീഗോറിയോസ് അബ്ദുൾ ജലീൽ ബാവ...,മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ രക്ഷകനായ മോർ ബസ്സേലിയോസ് യൽദോ മഫ്രിയാന...ഇന്ത്യയിലെ തന്റെ മക്കൾക്കു വേണ്ടി ജീവൻ ബലികഴിച്ച മഹാപരിശുദ്ധനായ ഇഗ്നാത്തിയോസ് ഏലിയാസ് തൃതീയൻ പാത്രിയർക്കീസ് ബാവ... പരി. അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ സിംഹാസനത്തിന്റെ പ്രതിനിധികളായി മലങ്കരയിലെത്തി അനേകം ത്യാഗങ്ങൾ സഹിച്ച യൂയാക്കീം മോർ കൂറീലോസ് ബാവ...,മോർ യൂലിയോസ് ബാവ...സ്ലീബാ മോർ ഒസ്താത്തിയോസ് ബാവ... പരി.അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ സിംഹാസനത്തിൻ കീഴിൽ അടിയുറച്ച് നിലകൊണ്ട മഹാപരിശുദ്ധനായ പരി. പരുമല തിരുമേനി.... ''മക്കളെ പരി. അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ സിംഹാസനം നമ്മുടെ അമ്മയാണ് അതിനെ കണ്ണിലെ കൃഷ്ണമണി പോലെ കാത്ത് പരിപാലിച്ച് അനുസരിച്ച് നടന്നു കൊള്ളണം, നിങ്ങളുടെ മക്കൾക്ക് അതിനെ അവകാശമായി നൽകണം'' എന്ന് നമുക്ക് പഠിപ്പിച്ച് തന്ന പുണ്യശ്ലോകനായ ക്ലീമിസ്സ് തിരുമേനിയെയും, സത്യ വിശ്വസത്തിന്റെ പ്രകാശമായിരുന്ന
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''അന്ത്യോഖ്യാ മലങ്കര ബന്ധം നീണാൾ വാഴട്ടെ..''
Mr. ABY PHILIP ഒന്ന് താങ്കൾക്ക് പറയാതെ പറ്റില്ല മലങ്കരയിൽ ഒരു വിശ്വാസം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ശരിയല്ലെ ആ വിശ്വാസം പരിശുദ്ധ തോമ ശ്ലീ ഹ നൽകിയ സുറിയാനി വിശ്വാസം. ആ വിശ്വാസം മലങ്കര മണ്ണിൽ ഇല്ലാതാകുമെന്ന് കരുതിയ പിതാക്കന്മാർ അത് വിശ്വാസത്തിൽ നിലകൊണ്ട മറ്റ് സഹോദര സഭകളിൽ നിന്നും സഹായങ്ങൾ സ്വി കരിച്ചിരുന്നു (ഉദ :കുവൈറ്റ് -ഇറഖ് യുദ്ധം., അമേരിക്ക കുവൈറ്റിനെ സഹായിച്ചിലെ അതുപോലെ ) ഒരേ വിശ്വാസമല്ലയൈങ്കിൽ ഒരുപക്ഷ ഇവിടെ ആ പിതാക്കന്മാർ എത്തുകിലായിരുന്നു. അത്രക്ക് തിഷ്ണന്മായ സുറിയാനി വിശ്വാസം നമ്മൾ പുലർത്തിയിരുന്നു യെന്ന് വിസ്‌മരിക്കുന്നത ശരിയല്ല. (സഭയുടെ തലയായ ക്രിസ്തു പോലും അമ്മയെ വിസ്‌മരിക്കുന്നില്ല )അത്കൊണ്ട് ABY നമ്മുടെ വിശ്വാസം തലമുറ തലമുറ യായി കിട്ടിയതാണ്. അപ്പോൾ നമ്മുടെ തലമുറ എവിടെ നിൽക്കുന്നയെന്ന് ചി ന്തിക്കുക.എന്നാൽ ആ പുണ്യ പിതാക്കന്മാരെ നമ്മൾ വിസ്‌മരിച്ചുകൂടാ. നമ്മൾ ആവശ്യമില്ലാത്ത വാദ മുഖങ്ങൾ ഉയർത്തി ഈ സഭ യെ ഭിന്നിപ്പിക്ക്ല്ലവേണ്ട് മലങ്കരയിൽ ഒറ്റ സഭയായി നിന്നെ മുന്നോട്ടു പൊക്കുക.
ആദികാലത്ത് സഭ ഒന്നേ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നുള്ളു. മെത്രാന്മാർ ക്ക് ഇന്നുകാണുന്നവേഷവും തൊപ്പിയും ആദികാല പിതാക്കന്മാരുടെ ചിത്രങ്ങളിൽ ഇല്ലല്ലൊ.പീഠനവും കഷ്ടപ്പാടും ആയിരുന്നു. നെസ്തോറിയോസ് വേദവിപരീതം പറഞ്ഞു എങ്കിലും കുർബാനയും പ്രാർത്ഥനയും ആചാരങ്ങളും വലിയ വ്യത്യാസം വരുത്തിയില്ല. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭ നെസ്തോർ വിശ്വാസം സ്വീകരിച്ചത് പേർഷ്യൻ ഭരണാധിപൻമാരൂടെ പീഡനങ്ങളിൽ നിന്ന് രക്ഷപെടാനാണന്നാണ് പറയുന്നത്. റോമൻ ,പേർഷ്യൻ ഭരണാധിപൻമാർതമ്മിൽ ശത്രുതയിൽ ആയീലുന്നു. ചുരുക്കത്തിൽ മലങ്കരയുമായി ആന്തോഖ്യൻ സഭക്ക് ബന്ധപ്പെടാൻ സാധ്യത ഇല്ലായിരുന്നൂ. കൂടാത് തോമ്മാശ്ളീഹാ സ്തിപിച്ച സഭകൾ എന്നനിലയിൽ മലങ്കരയും പേർഷ്യൻ സഭയും ബന്ധപ്പെട്ടിരിക്കാം.
Mr. Shibu,
Catholic people want to etablish their preeminent position in the Church history.
But the Catholic church or Roman church is not seen mentioned anywhere in the bible. But BibleThe Acts.11:26 clearly states that Jesus' disciples assembled at Antioch and were first known as Christians. The Antioch church is mentioned in more occasions in the Bible.
So Antioch church is the original church. Hence any association of our Church with Antioch church is a valid and valuable point. Ordinary believers in Orthodox or Jacobite church seek peaceful coexistence. But some unscrupulous elements are taking the Church to unwanted litigation and trouble. Bishops are not doing the work they are expected to do. Let us pray for unity in the church.
Right shibu bro knanaya people brought the written parchment of 4 gospels in syriac and other liturgies. .
From where did you get that information other than the pseudo- claims of the Knanaya community !
@@joythomasvallianeth6013 engraved in one of their church
@@akjacob5985 So when was that engraved in that church ? Knanayas claim that they reached Kerala in 345 AD and this church would have been built within the last 100 years or so I suppose. That implies that the engraving happened after a gap of 1945 - 345 = 1600 years. So now you know how history is manipulated by various people. What happened to your logical reasoning abilities sir ! Please do not blindly swallow what ever others say even if it is by priests or bishops. I have seen that many of the bishops and priests are liars and are good at cooking up histories or is it that they are so innocent to believe and propagate what others say ! The entire Knanaya migration is a mythology started first by the Parangi Latin catholic clergy and later on this community took over that idea and propagated it to get credit. The Knanaya community is a small group from among the Kollam Nazranies who reached Kollam in 823 AD from Nineveh and later on migrated in 1170 AD ( or Kollavarsham 345) to Kodungalloor. Since they came from the south of Kodungalloor they were called as Thekkumbhagar and they also practiced endogamy with respect to the Nestorian christians, Vadukkumbhagar, who migrated from Mylapore around the same time to Kodungallur due to the Manickavasgar group persecution.
@@joythomasvallianeth6013 who gave Claudius Buchanan the written parchment of (syriac ) for malayalam translation?
@@akjacob5985 As I understand it was given by the Malankara Syriac orthodox metropolitan ! But what has that to do with the pseudo claims that the then nonexistent Knanaya community migrated in 345 AD ? Sir, there is a confusion between the Kollam Tharissappally chepped and the Knai Thomman chepped. Now the latest research shows that they are the same chepped only.
Rev.O.Thomas is bold enough to tell the Truth.
We accept our history from AD.1655. At
Least we DO that. Forgo prior to that.
Prepare document for this.
Let sll historians of BOTH factions sit
together. and prepare s pakka history OF the SABHA FROM AD.1665.Accept it.We have to starti from AD.1655 to AD.1908.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century.
The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.*
When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church.
*Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc.
*The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.*
Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa.
When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.*
Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.*
During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.*
The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.*
During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East.
So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East.
Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._*
*_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ ചരിത്രം സഭ officialആയി നടത്തുന്ന 'ദിവ്യബോധനം' എന്ന course ൽ പഠിപ്പിക്കുന്നു. Dhivyabodhan website ൽ കയറി ആർക്കും downloaded ചെയ്യാം. മഹാ പണ്ഡിതൻ ആയിരുന്ന Rev dr V.C Samuel എഴുതിയത്.(,മുൻ യാക്കോബാക്കാരൻ,കേരളാ യൂണിവേഴ്സിറ്റി 1st rank, യേൽ University phd, theological seminary അദ്ധ്യാപകൻ ,dean,,അതിലുപരി സുറിയാനി, ഗ്രീക്ക് പണ്ഡിതൻ,etc ആയിരുന്നു.) ചരിത്രം വളരെ വിശദമായി ഉണ്ട്.
Well said, ഒത്താൽ അപ്പനെ വരെ മാറ്റി പറയും ചിലർ
ഇദ്ദേഹത്തിന് പേരിട്ടത് ശരിയായിട്ട് തന്നെയാണ്..
Kindly give the History of Suriyani SABHA from 1665 onwards.as follows.
1.What was the name of the Suriyani Sabha in1965?
2When the CMS came to Suriyani Sabha. ?
3.How they influenced the Suriyani Sabha?
4.How the Marthoma SABHA formed.
5TELL about Palakunnathu Abraham Malpan.
6.What iis SEMINARY CASE?
7.What was Vatti panam case?
8.split in the Suriyani Sabha.
9.What was the name or the SABHA in
1912?
10.When the ORTHODOX Syrian SABHA
Name is adopted?
PLEASE give the above information. Please.
Trishaisubaho universal Syrian orthodox church
ഇത്രയും നല്ല പരമ്പര്യമുള്ള സുറിയാനി സഭയിൽ നിന്നും മണർകാടുപള്ളിയിൽ നിന്നും പോയ ഷിബു 25 വർഷത്തിനു ശേഷം തിരിച്ചു വന്നല്ലോ? അതപോലെ നഷ്ടപ്പെട്ട പോയ വി.മാർത്തോമ്മാശ്ലീഹായുടെ പൈതൃകം തിരിച്ചെത്തിയെന്ന് മലങ്കര നസ്രാണികൾ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നു. സഭകളടെ നിലനിൽപ് ദൈവം നിശ്ചയിക്കട്ടെ.
Shri.A.K.Jacob.Pastor Anil Kodithottam was telling that the arrival of KNANAYA THOMMAN is a .Myth.
Give a reply in Social media.
I cannot open the eyes of some one who is acting ..as sleeping.
Have you heard of Tarisssapalli plates dated AD 853 ?
It is dated 849 AD !
I am interested to know any historic evidences from Antiochian Sources to Support Antiochian connection and subjugation. It should be a pre 16th century evidence. What is the historic evidence that Knai thomman came from Persia?
Is there any such evidence for the arrival of St Thomas?
@@GLORIOUSGOSPELOfficial ഉറക്കം നടിക്കുന്നവരെ ഉണർത്താൻ ബുദ്ധിമുട്ടാണ്.
Roy bro, from where do you think the Bible, was translated in to malayalam?
@@GLORIOUSGOSPELOfficial Honestly. No. There is no solid historical evidence. There are some church traditions regarding to St. Thomas arrival in India. But not Kerala. Church traditions can’t be solely considered as historical evidences.
@@akjacob5985 All I am asking is Historic evidences.
During SANGAKALAM Kerala was known as CHERA RAJAM. THE WAY OF CHRIST (CHRISTUMARAM) SIMPLY MARGAMKARU WAS THE NAME OF CHRISTANS AFTER AD 52 WHEN ST.THOMAS APOSTOLIC MISSION WAS IN MALANKARA AND IT WAS A MIXTURE OF WEST SYRIAC AND EAST SYRIAC LANGUAGE IN MALANKARA. 2002 CONSTRUCTION GAVE BIRTH TO A NEW CHURCH AND IT WAS NOT BAVAKSSHI. INDAN ORTHODOX CHURCH ADOPTED AND SPREAD ANTIOCHAN PRAYERS WHEN HIDAYTHULLA CAME ALONG WITH HOLY ELDO CATHOLICA BAVA THIRUMENI. THE INDIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH (MALANKARA) WAS NOT A NEW CHURCH BUT IT ONLY ADOPTED SYRIAN PRAYERS.
Elvis George.
Provide your comment and participate in the discussion. Well and good.
Let us call MALANKARA Nasranis.
NO Orthodox NO PATRIARCH.
Yes, we are all Spiritual children of Mar Thoma Sleeha and one day, we will be 1, whether that be in leadership or Faith.
Those who are interested should read the article "Were the Syrian Christians Nestorians?" . This is written none other than the Catholic Archbishop Mar Ivanios also now declared a "Servant of God". You can read it online at: archive.org/details/fourhistoricdocu0000kuri/page/114/mode/2up
Dependent on Mor Ivanios???
Then come and join his Church.
The arguments for the Antiochian relationship are not historical and have no support of evidence. I will show you why.
1. Firstly, *Patriarch of Antioch* had authority only over the *' East' province of Roman Empire.* The Roman Empire had a *province( called diocese) called Orients* ( which means East). This is where the Patriarch of Antioch had any authority over. Egypt was excluded from the authority of Antioch and was granded to Alexandria. This was the basic reason of struggles between Antioch and Alexandria. *So Bishop of Antioch( later Grand Metropolitan and finally Patriarch) had authority only till the boundaries of the Roman Empire.* The Authority of the Church beyond Roman Empire's Eastern boundary was largely decentralised.
Later the authority over the Church of these regions were consolidated in the *Patriarchate of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon.* *The schisms of 431 and 451 and later Jacobite schism of 518 led to the erection of rebell patriarchates everywhere throughout the once undivided and now divided Church.* Thus the *Maphrianate of Tigrit* was founded by the *Miaphysite Jacobite Church* to act as a rebell against the *Patriarchate of Babylon* and to act as an *ecclesiastical Hierarchy over Jacobite converts in Sassanian Empire.* It started using title of Catholicose , like the Patriarch of the Church of the East, in direct opposition after 628. But "the position of 'Catholicose' is historically equal to that of 'Patriarch'. The title 'Patriarch' is introduced only after the 5th century. The title of Catholicose is much older. _In Armenian Church Patriarch is under Catholicose and in Jacobite Church, Catholicose is under Patriarch_ ( _ both are not historical_ )
*_You should also keep in mind that none of the other Patriarchates of Antioch( Maronite, Melkite, Greek Orthodox, Syriac Catholic) has or ever had a position called Catholicose under their respective Sees to supervise their faithful in the Sassanid Regions._*
2. The Church in India never had any administrative or spiritual relationship with the Church of Antioch. All evidences show clearly that the Church in India was under the *Church of Persia.* Later the *Bishop of Revardshir in Persia* assumed Metropolitan title and *India became its saffragan see.* Later the *Church of India was reorganized and was raised to Metropolitan status directly under the Patriarchate of Babylon.* This process was initiated by *Patriarchs Ishoyab and Yahaballaha and completed by Patriarch Thimothy the Great* who are undoubtedly Patriarchs of Babylon of the Church of the East.
All evidences found is in support of this tradition. The *Chaldean Catholic Church* was formed only in 1552 through a schism in the *Church of the East.* Only two bishops, namely *Mar Iosep Sulaqa and Mar Avraham* have assumed the leadership of the Church of India from this faction. The rest of the bishops who came before were all from the undivided Church of the East. During the *Synod of Diamper* in1559, the *administrative relation between the Church of India with the Patriarchate of Babylon was deprived permanently.*
Later tensions between the Portuguese Padroado Archbishop and Archdeacon Thomas detoriated. This and many other conflicts led to the *Coonan cross Oath* of 1653. This culminated into the eventual division of St. Thomas' Nazrenes of India into two factions each led by Catholic *Bishop Chandy Parambil* and *Archdeacon Thomas* respectively.
After 1663 , Archdeacon Thomas Parambil contacted with various Church leaders through merchants to recieve an episcopate to block the flow of the faction of Christians from his leadership back into the Catholic faction led by his own cousin Bishop Chandy Parambil.
*In 1665, a bishop arrived from Patriarchate of Antioch to Malabar Coast in the person of Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel* who introduced Antiochian Jacobite liturgy , traditions and priesthood for the first time in Malabar.
The arrival of *Mor Ivanios Hidayattullah, Mor Sakkrallah,* etc. led to *Chengannur Palliyogam* in which *Antiochian liturgy* was accepted in this faction. *Mavelikkara Padiyola and Mullunthuruthy Synod* cemented the Antiochian Patriarchate's temporal and ecclesiastical dominance over the faction. Dissatisfaction due to all these efforts arose from various leaders throughout the period and this led to *division of this faction further into Five different factions.* The major division took place in 1912 , which led to huge thread to the dominance of the Patriarch of Antioch.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century.
The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.*
When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church.
*Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc.
*The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.*
Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa.
When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.*
Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.*
During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.*
The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.*
During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East.
So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East.
Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._*
*_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
Very valuable message .
1665 വെറും കേവലം .. അതിനും 65 വർഷം മുൻപ് എന്ന് പറയുമ്പോൾ അപ്പോൾ പറഞ്ഞു വരുമ്പോൾ പെൻതോകളെ ഉം ആയ്ട്ട് കേവലം 255 വരഷത്തിന്റെ ചരിത്രം മാത്രം പറയാനുള്ളു പാരമ്പര്യം ഒക്കെ മാറ്റി വെക്കാം
The arguments for the Antiochian relationship are not historical and have no support of evidence. I will show you why.
1. Firstly, *Patriarch of Antioch* had authority only over the *' East' province of Roman Empire.* The Roman Empire had a *province( called diocese) called Orients* ( which means East). This is where the Patriarch of Antioch had any authority over. Egypt was excluded from the authority of Antioch and was granded to Alexandria. This was the basic reason of struggles between Antioch and Alexandria. *So Bishop of Antioch( later Grand Metropolitan and finally Patriarch) had authority only till the boundaries of the Roman Empire.* The Authority of the Church beyond Roman Empire's Eastern boundary was largely decentralised.
Later the authority over the Church of these regions were consolidated in the *Patriarchate of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon.* *The schisms of 431 and 451 and later Jacobite schism of 518 led to the erection of rebell patriarchates everywhere throughout the once undivided and now divided Church.* Thus the *Maphrianate of Tigrit* was founded by the *Miaphysite Jacobite Church* to act as a rebell against the *Patriarchate of Babylon* and to act as an *ecclesiastical Hierarchy over Jacobite converts in Sassanian Empire.* It started using title of Catholicose , like the Patriarch of the Church of the East, in direct opposition after 628. But "the position of 'Catholicose' is historically equal to that of 'Patriarch'. The title 'Patriarch' is introduced only after the 5th century. The title of Catholicose is much older. _In Armenian Church Patriarch is under Catholicose and in Jacobite Church, Catholicose is under Patriarch_ ( _ both are not historical_ )
*_You should also keep in mind that none of the other Patriarchates of Antioch( Maronite, Melkite, Greek Orthodox, Syriac Catholic) has or ever had a position called Catholicose under their respective Sees to supervise their faithful in the Sassanid Regions._*
2. The Church in India never had any administrative or spiritual relationship with the Church of Antioch. All evidences show clearly that the Church in India was under the *Church of Persia.* Later the *Bishop of Revardshir in Persia* assumed Metropolitan title and *India became its saffragan see.* Later the *Church of India was reorganized and was raised to Metropolitan status directly under the Patriarchate of Babylon.* This process was initiated by *Patriarchs Ishoyab and Yahaballaha and completed by Patriarch Thimothy the Great* who are undoubtedly Patriarchs of Babylon of the Church of the East.
All evidences found is in support of this tradition. The *Chaldean Catholic Church* was formed only in 1552 through a schism in the *Church of the East.* Only two bishops, namely *Mar Iosep Sulaqa and Mar Avraham* have assumed the leadership of the Church of India from this faction. The rest of the bishops who came before were all from the undivided Church of the East. During the *Synod of Diamper* in1559, the *administrative relation between the Church of India with the Patriarchate of Babylon was deprived permanently.*
Later tensions between the Portuguese Padroado Archbishop and Archdeacon Thomas detoriated. This and many other conflicts led to the *Coonan cross Oath* of 1653. This culminated into the eventual division of St. Thomas' Nazrenes of India into two factions each led by Catholic *Bishop Chandy Parambil* and *Archdeacon Thomas* respectively.
After 1663 , Archdeacon Thomas Parambil contacted with various Church leaders through merchants to recieve an episcopate to block the flow of the faction of Christians from his leadership back into the Catholic faction led by his own cousin Bishop Chandy Parambil.
*In 1665, a bishop arrived from Patriarchate of Antioch to Malabar Coast in the person of Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel* who introduced Antiochian Jacobite liturgy , traditions and priesthood for the first time in Malabar.
The arrival of *Mor Ivanios Hidayattullah, Mor Sakkrallah,* etc. led to *Chengannur Palliyogam* in which *Antiochian liturgy* was accepted in this faction. *Mavelikkara Padiyola and Mullunthuruthy Synod* cemented the Antiochian Patriarchate's temporal and ecclesiastical dominance over the faction. Dissatisfaction due to all these efforts arose from various leaders throughout the period and this led to *division of this faction further into Five different factions.* The major division took place in 1912 , which led to huge thread to the dominance of the Patriarch of Antioch.
vivarakkedu alankaramayi kondu nadakkaruthu .Nestorian church orikkalum daivamaathaavine angeekarikkunnavaralla..Appol pathinanacham noottaanduvare ivideyundayirunna pallikalil bhooribhaagavum mathavinte peril aayirunnu...Athu kondu mariyathe daivamathavayi angeekarichirunnath edessyileyum thigreesileyum antiochiayileuim sabhakal maathramayirunnu...Athil ninnu thanne vyakthamaanu AD 800 kal muthal ivide ninnulla bishopumaaranu ivide vannirunnathu...Aakeppaade pathinanchaam noottaandil vanna rando moonno metranmar mathramaanu Nestorianmetranmaarayittullath..Ithil maar Abraham ulppedeyullavar pedum
Athu kondu pathinanacham noottaandil keetiyedithavarkku theerezhuthikkodukkan ningalkkenthanithra vyagratha...Mathramalla latin metranil ninnu pattam sweekaricha palliveettil chandi engane aanu suriyaani aavuka...Athu kondu ippozhathe syromalabar sabhaye suriyaani sabhayil peduthaan pattilla...
Right perceptions 👍
If Catholic is the oldest church, they should have done evangelism before everyone and converted the people to first christians. There would be no need to destroy the holy sacraments of the orthodox church. If there was a church that existed in whatever form in Kerala Catholics should accept that church and not claim they are the oldest church. If everyone should believe in the oldest church, catholics should believe in the church that existed before 1600. Orthodox and Catholic church are existing in parallell all over the world, Greece, Russia etc. It is clear orthodox people knew what their belief is and waited for a bishop with similar belief from antioch.
Oru divsamkondu oru liturgy maattan kazjumo...?
Wow, very valuable message
Orthodox Church was very innocent Christians they accepted both syrian church and persian church. If there was no how syro malabar church got the Eastern syrian syriac as there medium of worship. Why do much enthusiasm in bent cross oath including the present syro malabar church. This speech as good as you admit English rule.
Syro malabar accepted in 20th century only the East Syriac as part of a propaganda mission of papacy. Until that time, they were using Latin liturgy. They used some Caldaya suriyani bishops for the liturgy of Aadai and Mari. There is another reason for the Syro malabar, they wanted to be different from the Latin catholics of Kerala who were low caste hindus. While they are do proud of being nasrani high caste status, how can they accept Latinos? There are so many inside manipulations in that church
Antiochia alla KALDAYA
syro malabar church chaldean church alle?
Whats difference between antokian church and chaldean church? Nestorianism ayet enthelum bandam undo syro malabar church inu?
Catholic church um ayet syro malabar eangane communion ae?
"പട്ടയങ്ങപെട്ട ദൈവം തമ്പുരാനെ " എന്ന സന്ധ്യ പ്രാർത്ഥന ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയിൽ വീടുകളിൽ ഇന്നും ചൊല്ലുന്നു. "പട്ടയങ്ങപെട്ട" എന്ന വാക്കു ഇന്ന് മലയാള നിഘണ്ടുവിൽ ഇല്ല. സർവവ്യാപി എന്നാണ് അർഥം . എന്റെ ചെറിയ ഒരു അന്വേഷണത്തിൽ ഈ പദം മലയാളക്കരയിലെ ആദ്യ നൂറ്റാണ്ടുകളിൽ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ഒരു വാക്കാണ്. ഈ പ്രാർത്ഥന സുറിയാനിയിൽ നിന്ന് തർജ്ജിമ ചെയ്തതാണ് എന്ന് തോന്നുന്നില്ല. 1665 ഇന് മുമ്പ് ഇവിടെ ഇങ്ങനെ ചില പ്രാർത്ഥനകൾ നിലനിന്നു എന്നാണ് അർഥം. തെറ്റുണ്ടെങ്കിൽ തിരുത്തിക.
1665 ഇന് മുമ്പ് മലങ്കര സഭ പേർഷ്യൻ സഭയുമായി നല്ല ബന്ധം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭ കാതോലിക്കോസിന്റെ കീഴിൽ ആയിരുന്നല്ലോ . അവിടുന്നുള്ള പിതാക്കന്മാർ മലങ്കരയിൽ എത്താറുണ്ടായിരുന്നു . മാർ ആബോ ,സോർ .. കടമറ്റത്തു കത്തനാർ . പൗരോഹിത്യം ഇവിടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു . അത് സുറിയാനി സഭയുമായി ഏതാണ്ട് നല്ല ബന്ധം ഉണ്ടായിരിക്കുന്നു . എന്നാൽ ഹിന്ദുത്വം കലർന്ന വിശ്വാസം ആയിരുന്നു . 30 ദിവസം കൊണ്ട് പേർഷ്യയിൽ നിന്നും മലങ്കരയിൽ എത്തുവാൻ സാധിക്കുമായിരുന്നു
നാലാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടു മുതൽ അർക്കഡിയോക്കന്മാർ പാലക്കുന്നത്ത് തറവാട്ടിലെ അംഗങ്ങൾ ആയിരുന്നു എന്നും ചരിത്രം . പ്രാചീന തറവാട്ടിൽ 1665 ഇന് മുമ്പുള്ള പുരോഹിതരെ പറ്റി വിവരിക്കുന്നുണ്ട്. ഇവിടെ പുരോഹിതർ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നത് കൊണ്ടാണല്ലോ മാർത്തോമാ ഒന്നാമനെ വാഴിക്കാൻ ജലീൽ ബാവ എത്തുന്നത് മുംബെ സാധിച്ചത്
ഷിബു പറയുന്നതു മാർത്തോമ്മാ ശ്ലീഹായെ അന്ത്യോക്യാ വിശ്വാസവുമായി പാത്രിക്കീസ് പറഞ്ഞു വിട്ടതാണെന്നാണു, പാവം ഷിബു !😂😂😅
അറബിനാട്ടിലെസഭകൾതമ്മിൽനമ്മുടെനാട്ടിലേതിനേക്കാൾ വഴക്കുകൾ ഉണ്ടിയിട്ടുണ്ട്.ഒരിക്കൽ 350 മാരിനൈറ്റ് സന്യാസിമാരെ യാക്കോബാക്കാർകൊന്നു(ശരിയാണൊഎന്നറിയില്ല മാരിനെറ്റ്സഭപറയുന്നു).ലബനനിൽ.turkyൽ 1914ൽ20%ക്രിസ്ത്യാനിഉണ്ടിയിരുന്നിടത്ത് ഇന്ന്.2%മിത്രം. മുസ്ലീം കൊന്ന ത് മാത്രംആല്ലകാരണം.ക്രിത്യാനികളുടെ അനൈക്യവും പാരവപ്പും അണ് മുസ്ലീമുകൾ മുതലെടുത്തത്. ആദിമുതൽ ഇന്നുവരെ അവിടെക്രിസ്ത്യാനി പച്ചപിടിച്ചിട്ടില്ല. ലബനനിൽമാത്രം വലിയകുഴപ്പം ഇപ്പോളില്ല. നമ്മൾ ഒന്നിച്ചു നിന്നെങ്കിലെ രക്ഷപെടു.അതിനാൽകഴിഞ്ഞ ചരിത്രം എന്തെങ്കിലും ആയ്ക്കോട്ടെ . 50വയസ്സിൽകുറഞ്ഞ എത്രപേർ നമ്മുടെഈചർച്ചയിൽ പങ്കെടുക്കുന്നു?
AD 52 to AD 600 malankara sabha charithram..oru vedio cheyyavo..?
9th minutes theology cc
Christology liturgy ith okke ann criteria enkill orthodox faith ayirikm priority but material wealth papacy administration global reach okke nokyall Catholics nn ayirikm priority ningall eth nokunne enmathill depend cheyum ath....
Also you should include the Syrian migration happened as results of the persecution of Catholic church and Muslims the migrants flew from Assyria and Asia Minor ( Iraq-syria- turkey) they settled in Kerala and their remnants are still flowing inside our blood vessels and its a truth beyond explanation because blood is always thicker than water
HH Abdul Jaleel mor Gregorius the patriarch of the holy land,,if God has not sent that man we would have been under idol worship, heretic theological teachings, wrong intercession, neglecting ten commandments non kosher meals and all the trailed abomination of name sake Christians
Glory to the one and only The holy one of Israel
നാലാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിലെ സിറിയൻ കുടിയേറ്റക്കാർ ഒരു സദയുടെ പരി ഛേദമെന്ന പോലെ വന്നവർ ഒരു ആരാധനക്രമം, ക്രമമായ ഒരു ആരാധനാരീതിയും കൊണ്ടുവന്നിരുന്നല്ലോ അവർക്കു പിന്നാലെ പതിനഞ്ചാം ന്തറ്റാണ്ടുവരെ സുറിയാനി മെത്രാൻ മാർ വന്നിരുന്നല്ലോ അപ്പോൾ ഇവിടെ ഒരു വിശ്വാസി സമൂഹം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നല്ലോ ??
If you don't know the history right way please dont interpret the different way. Study 'indian orthodox church ' by. Z. M. Parattu and ' സഭ valerunnu ' and ആധുനിക സഭ by fr. V. C. Samuel.
I agree
അങ്ങനെ പറഞ്ഞ് കൊടുക്ക്....
യേശു തമ്പുരാനെ ഒറ്റുകൊടുത്ത യൂദാ യെ നമുക്ക് അറിയാമല്ലോ. അങ്ങനെ ധാരാളം പേർ ഈക്കാലത്തും ഉണ്ടു് എന്ന മാത്രം നമ്മൾ ചിന്തിക്കുക പ്രാർത്ഥിക്കുക ദൈവം എല്ലാത്തിനും വഴിയൊരുക്കും എന്ന വിശ്വസിക്കുക. തിരുനാമം പരിശുദ്ധമാകപ്പെടട്ടെ
Orthodox sabhakaar parayunna charithram kett kashinja nammde appanappooppanmaar verum unnakkanmarennmm samaya samayam appane matty nadannu ennnn parayendy varm.
ഇതിലെ ചെറുപ്പകാരോട്... ഇങ്ങനെത് അനാവശ്യ വാക്കുകൾ ഒഴിവാക്കുക സഭ ഒന്നാകാൻ ഉത്കുന്ന ആരോഗ്യ പരമായ വാക്കുകൾ വരട്ടെ. സ്വയം ചിന്തിക്കുക 👍👍
@@joymathew6807 njan idyl verennum udeshychylla chetta id vare aarm parayandyrunna charithrangal valare successful aayi mosc brothers nannaayi padippich success aakkunnu .ntyn koode valarttya sabhAyil allayirunnu njangal njangal nestorians aayrnnu idylm resam aayad orennam ente oru friend paranjad st thomas Christiansyne ivdeyulla hindus konnuvennm adukond gadykedukond oru cherya help choichu vennm paryunna youth moscil valrnn u vannu
@@joymathew6807 ad pole thanne peacine patty paryumbo onnorkkuka onn yakobaya sabha patriarchine thally parayilla rand orthodox kaar patriarch ine angeekarykkylla angeekarychylla angane vannal id vare avar paranja malankara sabhayide swadantryam ,swayam sheershakatham enna concept fully remove chyyenndy varm
Pinne chilar patriarkine angekarykkunnundennm parayunnu.anganaarnnenkil orthodox sabhade thalavan entarthattylaanu kottayath mooroon koodasha nadattyd .av.r parayunna supremacy ntennn vechal patriarch syrial irykkum ivde catholicane vashikkan matram patriarch (adum inddakumo enn kandaryanm)ivde oru presnamunddayal patriarch edapedan paadylla njangal teerthkollam ennadokkeyanu ivr patriarchinu kodkkan pokunna angeekaram.ivde ippo jacobite vs orthodox presnamundaayi ivar patriarchese bavaye angeekarkkunnundayrunnenki ee presnM itreyum varsham neelenda avasyamillarnnu . Ente cheruppattyl ente family friendsinod cousin zinodm (orthodox members) avarod choikkm ntaanu nammal tammilulla difference nn appol avr parayum avarkk patriarchese illaan.appol itrem varsham avar ingane padippichitt ini id maaty parayumenn enik thonnunnilla
ParNj vannD unity success aavan iniyum othry kadampakal kadakkendy varm.rand sidil ninnm kore pere chatykkunnadyn thulyamaanu.adpole thanne ivar indian orthodoxnn perum matty deshiyadam paranj ivideyulla chilare kayyiledttummaanu ee vidhi sambadychadu.
nailed it
345 ലെ കുടിയേറ്റം ഏതു സഭയുമായി ബന്ധപ്പെട്ടായിരുന്നു
Shibu Peedizckal,1965 let we agre that in 1965 olly Suriyani Sabha came in to existence. Then what was the name of the SABHA?What was the name of the SABHA in 1965?You TELL the history of KERALA Christians from 1965.?
When the JAKOBAYA SABHA Came into
Existence.?When ORTHODOX Syrian SABHA name came to JAKOBAYA SABHA?
Both sides are silent about this.So
You tell please.
They say that no such sabha in Kerala or India before Anthiokians came to Kerala. We Nasranis have to agree that and go on . Thats meaningless. They think all the other historians are baseless!!!!
Thomas Kodhy.
Why we should be AFTER the Metrans ?We members of Malankara SABHA SHOULD unite and ask the Bishops to follow us. The mistake is with us. Er should stop shouting slogans. WHY we should shouti slogans?We are not political parties. Our Catholicose is not s political leaders .
Anganeyenkil Yacub burddana Alexandrian sabhayude pattam sweekarichenkil addeham Alexandrian sabhayude bhaagam alle ?
Appo Antiochyan sabha pinne Puthiya sabhayayo ?
Kaivepp alle vangiyolu..vere ellam anthiochan sabakk undayirunnu.vere onnum sabha vangiyittilla..malankara sabha pakshe kaiveppum,liturgium,vestmentsum, faithum ellam sweekarichu
@@aliaschacko707 vishudha kurbbanayile thanne eettrayo bhagangal Alexandrian/coptic sabhayumaayi bandhamund(eg.staumen calos , kuriyelayison ,songs in anduthaksa sung along with psalms,etc,)
And also eventhough MOSC assumed the western Syriac liturgy (cannot say it as the Antioch an,becuase that time the church faced many troubles with muslims during its formation in Arab countries....),Almost all songs sung in churches in malankara are charged by the passage of time.......
So as said by o Thomas achen,what was happened in malankara is that "aaradhanayiloode ulla adheeshwatham..."
One more.
The bishop's red vestment is adopted from roman catholic Church (pls don't forget it too.)
@@maxlinopayyampallilOfficial aaradhanayiloode adheeshwatham aanenkil..athu maati ningal pazaya liturgy sweekarikkanam allathe ippozum anthiochan liturgy upayogichitt adheeshwatham aanenn parayan naanam ille
@@aliaschacko707 sir you should understand that it cannot be called Antiochan liturgy.Because Athiochan litury was been ruined by the time of post islamic era.It can be called as western Syriac liturgy.....and that's what we are following.....also some adoptions from other Cristian churches...
So why we need to throw such a valuable treasure of Syriac language (the only rylics that is existing)?
@@aliaschacko707 മലങ്കര സഭയും സത്യത്തിൽ kayivepp മാത്രമേ വാങ്ങിയിരുന്നുള്ളു. But anthioch സഭ liturgy ഒക്കെ അടിച്ചേൽപ്പിക്കുക ആയിരുന്നു. 19 ആം നൂറ്റാണ്ടിൽ patros പത്രിയർകിസ് വരുന്നത് വരെ ഇവിടെ കാപ്പ പോലും ഡിഫറെൻറ് ആയിരുന്നു ( i think u have seen a picture published by British man in 1861 showing Syriac priest in kappa ). Athioch liturgy പൂർണം ആയി വരുന്നത് ബാവ വന്ന് പഴയ kremem നിരോധിച്ചപ്പോൾ ആണ്. ബാവയുടെ കല്പന ലഭ്യമാണല്ലോ.വായിച്ചാൽ മനസിലാവും
പതിനാറാം നൂറ്റാണ്ടുവരെ കേരളത്തിലോ ഇന്ത്യയിലോ സെൻ്റ് തോമസ് ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികൾ മാത്രമേ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നുള്ളൂ. ഏത് തരത്തിലുള്ള ആരാധനയാണ് അവർ നടത്തിയതെന്ന് വ്യക്തമല്ല. അത് യഥാർത്ഥ ഇന്ത്യൻ ആരാധനാക്രമമായിരിക്കാം. അത് നെസ്തോറിയൻ ആരാധനാക്രമമായിരിക്കാം. ഡയമ്പർ സുന്നഹദോസിന് ശേഷമാണ് മലങ്കര ആരാധനക്രമം കേരളത്തിൽ വന്നത്. സെൻ്റ് തോമസ് ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികളുടെ പഴയ ആചാരം പുനഃസ്ഥാപിക്കുക എളുപ്പമല്ല. അവരുടെ പുസ്തകങ്ങൾ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ നശിപ്പിച്ചു.
St. Thomas മലങ്കരയിൽ വന്നതിന് തെ.ളിവ് കാണിക്കാമോ എന്ന് ഒരു ചോദ്യം glorious gospel ൽ നിന്നും ഇവിടെ വന്നത് കണ്ടു.പ. യാക്കൂബ് തൃതിയൻ പാത്രിയർക്കീസ് ബാവ റമ്പാനായിരു ന്നപ്പോൾ എഴുതിയ. '' സുറിയാനി സഭാചരിത്രം, 'പേജ് .149 ൽ എഴുതിയിരിക്കന്നു. AD 28 ൽ യേശുവിൻ്റ ശിഷ്യനായതോമ്മാ, ശ്ലീഹാ സ്ഥാനത്തേക്ക് ഉയർത്തപ്പെട്ടു എന്നും പേജ് 164 ൽ മലങ്കരയിൽ സുവിശേഷം അറിയിച്ചതിനു ശേഷം, ഈ ബാലസഭയെ ഭരിക്കാൻ ,, നാലു കുടുംബങ്ങളിൽ നിന്നും '.. പകലോമറ്റം ശങ്കരപുരി, കള്ളി, കാളിയാങ്കൽ, നിന്നും സ്ഥാനം കൊടുത്ത് പട്ടക്കാരെ വാഴിച്ചു എന്നും ...... പിന്നെ പാത്രിയർക്കീസായ പ്പോൾ വിധം മാറി 203 "കല്പ നയിൽ മാർ തോമ്മാ യ്ക്ക് പട്ടത്വം ഇല്ല എന്നും പറഞ്ഞു. അപ്പോഴും മലങ്കരയിൽ വന്നിട്ടില്ല എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞില്ല എന്നോർക്കണം. ഇത് ചരിത്രത്തിൽ ഉള്ളതാണ്. പിന്നെ ഒരുകാര്യം. സഭ ഒന്നായാൽ നല്ലത് എന്നും രണ്ടായാൽ അതിലും നല്ലത്വ എന്നും ജനം ചിന്തിച്ചു തുടങ്ങിയിരിക്കുന്നു.
Please link achens talk
Haa അപ്പോൾ ഷിബുചായാ ഒരു സംശയം പെന്തകോസ്ത്തിൽ തങ്ങൾ 10 15 വർഷം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു എന്നു കേട്ടു അപ്പോൾ അങ്ങനെ വരുമ്പോൾ സുറിയാനി സഭയിലോട്ട് തങ്ങൾ മാറിയാൽ തങ്ങളുടെ വായസിലെ 10 15 വർഷങ്ങൾ കൂട്ടില്ല?? പഴയ ആള് അല്ലാലോ താങ്ങൾ തങ്ങളുടെ ഉപദേശം മാറിയില്ലേ ആരാധന മാറിയില്ലേ അങ്ങനെ എങ്കിൽ തങ്ങളുടെ വാദം അനുസരിച് തങ്ങൾ ഒരു പുതിയ മനുഷ്യൻ ആയി അപ്പോൾ ഒന്ന് കുട്ടിയാൽ തങ്ങൾക്കിപോൾ 5 വയസേ ഒള്ളൂ എന്നു ഞാൻ തങ്ങളുടെ വാജകം കടം എടുത്തു പറഞ്ഞാൽ??
Very correct and straight information....After hearing this you should be a fool to deny anthoichian realation with malankara sabha...
വന്നു വന്നു mr.shibu എന്തൊക്കെ ആണ് പറയുന്നത്
Poorvika sabha anthyokan sabha alla athu kaldaya sabha anu anthiyokan sabhayude burdhana vibhakamanu ivide ippol ullathu
Antiochia church aadya noottaandil undaayathaanu.
Ee persiayile church enna undayath..Vivarakkedu alankaramakkaruth.
You people went after colonel munro for churches and he in turn used the opportunity for protestinization
You have made up this story about meeting the Catholica priest..becoz they will never say like that..
I happened to understand that you people teach lot of wrong things at Sunday school
At the time Malankara Orthodox church joined Antiochian church it was weak and had shifted to Syria Damascus..there they translated the Greek qurbana kramam to Syriac and it's west Syriac and came to be know as the Syrian Orthodox church.
The only original syrian church is Church of the east which all nasranies were following till the advent of Portuguese
Syro malabar church struggled to get back our liturgy and follow the same liturgy even in the Catholic church..
എത്ര ചരിത്രം വളച്ചൊടിച്ചാലും സുപ്രീം കോടതി വിധി മാറില്ല
ബഹു: പാസ്റ്റർ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്ന പക്ഷത്താണ് ഞാൻ.
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We can give some de tails prior to AD 1666.
*കൂനൻ കുരിശു സത്യം*
പ്രശസ്ത ചരിത്രകാരനായ സ്റ്റീഫൻ നീൽസിന്റെ പഠനത്തിൽ:
"1653 ജനുവരിയിൽ, പുരോഹിതന്മാരും ആളുകളും മാറ്റാഞ്ചേരിയിലെ Our വർ ലേഡി പള്ളിയിൽ ഒത്തുകൂടി, ഒരു കുരിശിന് മുന്നിൽ നിൽക്കുകയും മെഴുകുതിരികൾ കത്തിക്കുകയും ചെയ്തു, അവർ ഇനി അനുസരിക്കില്ലെന്ന് വിശുദ്ധ സുവിശേഷത്തിൽ സത്യം ചെയ്തു. "കൂനൻ ക്രോസ്" (മട്ടാഞ്ചേരിയിലെ പള്ളിക്ക് പുറത്ത് നിൽക്കുന്ന ഓപ്പൺ എയർ ക്രോസ്) ന്റെ പ്രശസ്തമായ ശപഥമാണിത്. വിശുദ്ധ തോമസ് ക്രിസ്ത്യാനികൾ മാർപ്പാപ്പയിൽ നിന്ന് സ്വയം വേർപെടുത്താൻ ആഗ്രഹിക്കുന്നുവെന്ന് ഒരു ഘട്ടത്തിലും സൂചിപ്പിച്ചിട്ടില്ല. ഗാർസിയയുടെ അഹങ്കാരം അവർക്ക് ഇനി സഹിക്കാനായില്ല. അവരുടെ എല്ലാ പ്രശ്‌നങ്ങളും ആരോപിച്ച അമിതമായ മനോഭാവവും സഹാനുഭൂതിയുടെ അഭാവവുമാണ് ജെസ്യൂട്ടുകളെ അവർ വെറുക്കുന്നത്. എന്നാൽ മാർപ്പാപ്പ ഒരു യഥാർത്ഥ മെത്രാനെ ഒരു ജെസ്യൂട്ട് അല്ല അയയ്ക്കട്ടെ, അവനെ സ്വീകരിക്കാനും അനുസരിക്കാനും അവർ സന്തോഷിക്കും."
Kashtam,..namonsma.
ഇൻഡ്യാ മഹാരാജ്യം പോലെ വിവധ തരമായി വിശ്വാസങ്ങളും ദൈവങ്ങളും ഉള്ള സ്ഥലത്ത് കുറച്ച് ......നിസംഗകോമാളികൾ...... ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നല്ലോ? അവരെ നശിപ്പിച്ചിട്ട് പലരും പ്രവർത്തിച്ചു. സുറിയാനി സഭ ഇല്ലായിരുന്നു എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞ് വിശ്വസിപ്പിച്ചാൽ ഇപ്രാഴുള്ള മക്കൾക്കു കൂടുതൽ അവിശ്വാസം വരുത്താമെന്നല്ലാതെ സത്യം മറക്കാൻ പറ്റില്ല.
Ee video kaanuka maryadakk chttanulla utharam kittm
ഇപ്പോൾ വാളെടുക്കുന്നവൻ എല്ലാം വെളിച്ചപ്പാടാണല്ലൊ. ഇതു കൊണ്ടൊന്നും നമ്മുടെ ലോകം മറിഞ്ഞു പോകില്ല.
Ethil ydhartham eethanu sir.
There was relation to Antioch since the 3rd century .
ഷിബു സർ പറഞ്ഞതുവെച്ചു മനസ്സിൽ ആകുന്നത് വിശുദ്ധ തോമ ശ്ലീഹ ഇൻഡിൽ തന്റെ പ്രവർത്തന സമയത്തും അന്തോക്യമായി വളരെ വലിയ ബന്ധം പുലർത്തിയിരുന്നു കാണുവാൻ സാധിക്കുന്നു. അതുകൊണ്ട് ആണെന്ലോ ശ്ലീഹ യുടെ ശരീരം എടസായിൽ കൊണ്ട് പോകാൻ തീരുമാനം വന്നത്. പിന്നിട് വന്ന പിതാക്കന്മാരും തുടർന്നു വന്നു ഈ ബന്ധം. വൈദ്ദേശിക ആക്രമണമണത്തിൽ സഭആരാധന കളും വിശ്വസങ്ങളും (ആരാധന ഇല്ലാത്ത സാമൂഹ്മായിരുന്നു എന്ന് പറയുന്നതിനോട് യോജിക്കാൻ സാധിക്കില്ല 7 1/2 പള്ളികൾ അതിനു തെളിവ് ആണ് )മലങ്കര യിൽ നിന്നും തൂത്തു എറിയ പെട്ടപ്പോൾ അവരുടെ വിശ്വസം സ്വികരിക്കാതെ., അന്നു വരെ ഉള്ള വിശ്വസവും ആരാധനയും 1665യിൽ വീണ്ടും നമ്മൾക്ക് ആ അന്തോക്യ ബന്ധത്തിലുടെ തിരിച്ചു ലഭിച്ചു.അത്കൊണ്ട് മലങ്കര മക്കൾ അനാവശ്യമായ വാദമുഖങ്ങൾ ഒഴുവാക്കി ഒന്നായി ചേർന്നു മലങ്കര സഭ ഭാരതത്തിൽ ശക്മായി മുന്നോട്ടു പോകാൻ സാധിക്ക്ണം. അതോടൊപ്പം പരിശുദ്ധ അത്യോക്യ ൻ സഭയും അതിന്റെ ബഹുമാനവും, ആദരവും നൽകി സഹോദര സഭയായി ചേർത്ത് നിർത്തേണ്ടത്താണ്. പരിശുദ്ധ പത്രോസ്, പരിശുദ്ധ തോമ ശ്ലീഹ മാരുടെ സിംഹസങ്ങൾ നിലനിൽകേണ്ടത് മലങ്കര മക്കളുടെ ആവശ്യം ആണ്.കാരണം ഈ സഭകൾ രണ്ടും കാതോലികവും ശ്ലൈഹികവും ആണ്. ഇതു ഈ കാലത്തിന്റെ ആവശ്യകതയാണ്.1934ലെ ഭരണഘടന അതു നമ്മുടെ നിലനിൽപ്പിന് ആവശ്യമാണ്. ഒന്ന് മനസ്സിൽ ആക്ക്ണം 1934ലെ ഭരണഘടന നടപ്പിലാക്കുന്നത് നമ്മൾ ജനങ്ങൾ ആണ്. പിന്നെ എന്തിനു അതിന് എതിർക്ക്ണം? അത് ജനത്തിനു കിട്ടുന്ന സംരക്ഷണം സഭ യിൽ ഉറപ്പ് വരുത്തുന്നു. ഒന്നായി ഈ സത്യം സഭയെ മലങ്കരയിൽ സംരഷിക്കുക. ഇതു എന്റെ ഒരു ചിന്ത മാത്രം ❤❤❤
നിഖിയ സൂനഹദോസ് ഇന്ത്യയെ പ്രതിനിധീകരിച്ച ആൾ ആരായിരുന്നു
Mar Yuhanon of Persia
@@rajmalayali8336 Thanks
It means malankara had connection with persian church, Not anthiokyan ,.
@@kuruvillaettimanil7806 exactly after that we were under Goa bishop and 16th century Latin missioners came to lndia they have done many good things
@@abrahamthomas5963 many good things but some bad things also. Let’s forget the bad things
Okay okay okay for
കേരളത്തിലെ ആദിമ കൃസ്ത്യാനികൾക്ക് ആത്മീയ നേതൃത്വം നൽകിയിരുന്നത് persian church of East എന്ന സഭയായിരുന്നു. AD 1500 കളിൽ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ (catholics) കേരളത്തിൽ എത്തുമ്പോൾ ഇവിടെ flourishing Christianity ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നതായും ഇവിടുത്തെ സഭക്ക് മാർപാപ്പായും ആയി ഒരു ബന്ധവും ഇല്ലായിരുന്നുവെന്നും ഇവിടുത്തെ സഭ ഭരിച്ചിരുന്നത് persiaയിൽ നിന്നുള്ള Nestorian മെത്രാൻമാർ ആണെന്നും അവർ മനസ്സിലാക്കി. ചരിത്രകാരൻമാർ ഇതൊക്കെ രേഖപ്പെടുത്തിയിട്ടുണ്ട്. പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ (catholics) പന്നീട് പ്രലോഭിപ്പിച്ചും പണം നൽകിയും ഈ ആദിമ കൃസ്ത്യാനികളുടെ പഠിപ്പിര് എല്ലാം തെറ്റാണെന്നും പറഞ്ഞ് നല്ലൊരൂ ഭാഗം ആദിമ സഭയിലെ വിശ്വാസികളെ കത്തോലികാ വിശ്വാസ ധാരയിൽ കൊണ്ടു വന്നു. ഇതിന് വഴങ്ങാത്ത ചിലരെ ഭീഷണിപ്പെടുത്തിയും കൊണ്ടുവന്നു. എറണാകുളം ജില്ലയിലെ ആലങ്ങട് എന്ന സ്ഥലത്ത് വെച്ച് ഒരു persian bishopനെ (Mar yakub എന്ന് മറ്റോ ആണ് പേര്) വരെ ഈ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാർ (catholics) കൊന്നു കളഞ്ഞിട്ടുണ്ട് .അതിന് ശേഷം persian സഭയിൽ നിന്നുള്ള മെത്രാൻമാരുടെ വരവ് നിലച്ചു. അവരുടെ വിശ്വാസ സംഹിതകൾ അടങ്ങിയ പുസ്തകങ്ങൾ എല്ലാം തീ ഇട്ട് നശിപ്പിച്ചു. ഈ പഴയ കൃസ്ത്യാനികളിൽ ചിലർ മാർപാപ്പയുടെയും അദ്ദേഹത്തിന്റെ കിങ്കരൻമാരായ ഈ പോർച്ചുഗീസുകാരുടെയും(catholics) തൊലിവെളുപ്പും ഭംഗിയും പണകൊഴുപ്പും കണ്ട് കത്തോലികരായവരും ഉണ്ട് ( അഴകനെ കാണുമ്പോൾ "അപ്പാ" എന്ന് വിളിക്കുന്ന സ്വഭാവം). ഇങ്ങനെ ഉണ്ടായ സഭയാണ് സീറോ മലബാർ ചർച്ച് . ഏകദേശം ഈ കാലയളവിൽ തന്നെ ഇറാക്കിലെ persian chruch നെയും കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ വിഘടിപ്പിച്ചു. അവിടുത്തെ മെത്രാൻ ആയ "സുലാക്ക"" യെ പ്രലോഭിപ്പിച്ച് സഭയിൽ നിന്നും പുറത്തു ചാടിച്ചു. അങ്ങനെ ഉണ്ടായ സഭയാണ് ഇറക്കിലെ chaldean Catholic church . അത് പോലെ തന്നെ അന്തോക്യയിലെ സിറിയൻ ഓർത്തഡോക്സ് സഭയെ വിഘടിപ്പിച്ച് syrian catholic സഭ ഉണ്ടാക്കി മാർപാപ്പക്ക് കിഴിലാക്കി. മറ്റൊരു വിഭാഗം വിശ്വാസികൾ ഈ പ്രലോഭനങ്ങളിൽ ഒന്നും വിഴാതെ , മാർപാപ്പക്ക് കീഴ്പ്പെടില്ല എന്ന് നിശ്ചയദാർഡ്യത്തോടെ കൂനൻ കുരിശ് പിടിച്ച് സത്യം ചെയ്തു . ഈ വിഭാഗം ആത്മീയ നേത്രത്വത്തിനായി പിന്നീട് അന്തോക്യയിൽ നിന്ന് വന്ന മാർ ഗ്രിഗോറിയോസ് എന്ന മെത്രാന്റെ കീഴിൽ വരുകയും അങ്ങനെ യക്കോബായ സഭ നിലവിൽ വരുകയും ചെയ്തു . പിന്നീട് ഈ സഭയിൽ വിഘടനം ഉണ്ടാക്കി കത്തോലിക്ക സഭ നേടിയെടുത്തതാണ് മലങ്കര കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭ.
പ്രത്യേകിച്ചും കത്തോലിക്കാ സഭ പോലുള്ള വളരെ വലിയ സഭകൾ തങ്ങളുടെ ആൾബലത്തിലും പണകൊഴുപ്പുകൊണ്ടും ക്രിസ്തുവിന് നിരക്കാത്ത പ്രവർത്തികളിലൂടെ മറ്റു കൃസ്തീയ സഭകളെ പ്രലോഭിപ്പിച്ചു തന്ത്രപരമായി ഒതുക്കിയും ക്രിസ്തുവിലുള്ള വിശ്വാസം ഊട്ടി ഉറപ്പിക്കുന്നതിന് പകരം തങ്ങളുടെ സഭ വലുതാക്കണം എന്ന ലക്ഷ്യത്തോടെയാണ് പ്രവത്തിച്ചത് . ക്രിസ്തുവിന്റെ പേരിലാണ് ഇതൊക്കെ നടന്നത് എന്നത് തികച്ചും പരിതാപകരമാണ് . സഹദാ എന്ന വാക്ക് തന്നെ eastern syric ആണ് . ഗീവർഗീസ് സഹദാ persian chuch of east ന്റെ പുണ്യാളൻ ആണ് . അങ്കമാലി പള്ളിയുടെ പഴയ പേര് ഹോർദ്മിസ് സഹദാ church എന്നാണ്. പിന്നെയും ഇത്തരത്തിൽ പേരുകളുണ്ട് ... കർദഹ് സഹദാ...കുരിയക്കോസ് സഹദാ... പണ്ട് ഈ പാരമ്പര്യ സഭകൾ ചെയ്തിരുന്ന ക്രൂരത കൾ വെച്ച് നോക്കുമ്പോൾ ഇന്നത്തെ പെന്തക്കോസ്തൽ സഭകൾ ചെയ്യുന്ന തെറ്റുകൾ തുലോം നിസാരമാണ്..
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1665 ന് മുമ്പ് കേരളത്തിൽ മനുഷ്യരില്ലായിരുന്നു എന്ന് 10 പ്രാവശ്യം പറഞ്ഞാൽ അത് ശരിയാകുമോ?
1600നു മുൻപ് പേർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയുമായി ബന്ധപെട്ടിരുന്നു. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭയിൽ ഒരു കാതോലിക്കാ നെസ്തോറിയാൻ വിശ്വസം സ്വീകരിച്ചു. നിലവിൽ അവിടെ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ ക്ഷ യിക്കുകയും മുസ്ലീം സമുദായം പിന്നീട് അടിച്ചമർത്തി 90%ആളുകളും മുസ്ലീങ്ങൾ ആവുകയും ചെയ്തു. പെർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ വിശ്വസം മലങ്കരയിൽ സ്വീകരിച്ചു. പിന്നീട് പേർഷ്യൻ നെസ്തോറിയാൻ വിശ്വാസികൾ ഇവിടെ വരുകയും കുറേപേർ കുറേക്കാലം നെസ്തോറിയാൻ വിശ്വസം മുസ്ലീം മതം മാറ്റം പെർഷ്യയിൽ നടന്നത്തോടെ മലങ്കരയിലും നെസ്തോറിയിസം ഇല്ലാതായി പോർട്ഗീസ് അധിപത്യത്തോടെ കാതോലിക്കാ സഭ മലങ്കര സഭയുടെ മേൽ അതീശത്വം ഉറപ്പിക്കാൻ 1600നു ശേഷം ഉദയപേരൂർ സുന്നഹാദോസിൽ കൂടി ശ്രെമിച്ചു. പേർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് വിശ്വസത്തോട് താൽപ്പര്യം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്ന ബഹുഭൂരിപക്ഷം കൂനൻകുരിശു സത്യത്തോടെ വിദേശ സഭകളുമായി ബന്ധം വിശ്ചേധിച്ചു. ഇക്കാലയളവിയിൽ മാർത്തോമാമെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത കാലം ചെയ്തു. സഭ കൂടി ഒന്നൊരണ്ടോ അച്ചന്മാരെ അന്തിയോകിയൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയിൽ അയച്ചു മെത്രാൻ ആക്കാൻ വിട്ടു. അന്നുതൊട്ട് അന്തിയൊക്കിയാൻ ആരാധനരീതി മലങ്കരയിൽ വരുന്നത്. എന്നാൽ പേർഷ്യൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ ആരാധനയും അന്തിയൊക്കിയാൻ ആരാധനയും വലിയ വ്യത്യാസം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നില്ല. പേർഷ്യൻ സഭാ അധ്യക്ഷൻ കാതോലിക്കയും പാശ്ചാത്യ സഭയായ അന്തയോക്കിയാ പാത്രിക്കീസ്മാണ് രണ്ടു സഭകൾ തമ്മിൽ ബന്ധം ഉണ്ടെങ്കിലും പെർഷ്യൻ സഭക്ക് സ്വതന്ത്രവകാശം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു മുസ്ലീം പീഡനവും നെസ്തോറിയാൻ അധികാര വടംവലിയും ആ സഭയെ നശിപ്പിച്ചു. പ്രെസ്തുത കാതോലിക്കാ സ്ഥാനമാണ് അന്തിയൊക്കിയാൻ പത്രികീസാൽ മലങ്കരഓർത്തഡോൿസ്‌ സഭയിൽ പുനസ്ഥാപിച്ചു. I665തൊട്ടു അന്തിയൊക്കിയചില പത്രിക്കീസുമാർ ആ സഭയുടെ കീഴിൽ കൊണ്ടുപിടിച്ചു ശ്രെമം നടത്തി. ചില അധികാര മോഹികളായ മെത്രാന്മാർ അതിനു കൂട്ട് നിന്നു ബഹുഭൂരിപക്ഷം അതിനു കൂട്ട് നിന്നില്ല. അതിന്റെ പേരിൽ പിന്നെ മുടക്കു കല്പന ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടായി. മലങ്കര സഭ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ ഒരിക്കലും ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് വിശ്വസം തള്ളി പറഞ്ഞില്ല. ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭകൾ പലതുണ്ട്. അതിലൊരു സഭയാണ് മലങ്കര ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭ അന്തിയൊക്കിയൻ സഭ മലങ്കര ഓർത്തഡോൿസ് സഭയുടെ ജേഷ്ട സഹോദരി മാത്രം. സഭകളുടെ യോജിപ്പ് പരസ്പരം വിട്ടു വീഴ്ചയോട് കൂടി ചെയ്യുന്നത് ഉത്തമം ആണ്. അന്തിയൊക്കിയാപാത്രിക്കീസ് മലങ്കരസഭയിൽ ഭരണപരമായ അവകാശം വേണ്ട. അതാണ് നല്ലത്. ഇതൊക്കെ പരിശോധിച്ചാണ് സുപ്രീം കോടതി 58,95,2017കാലയളവിലെനിഷ്പക്ഷ വിധികൾ. അത് മാനിച്ചു യോജിക്കുക
Ethra manoharam..
ഒരു സംഭവം പറയാൻ എല്ലാവരും വിട്ടുപോകുന്നു ആദ്യത്തെ സിറിയൻ കുടിയേറ്റം ക് നായി തോമായുടെ നേതൃത്വത്തിൽ ആയിരുന്നു അത് വീരവടി യാൻ കഥകൾ ഒന്നു പരിശോധിച്ചു നോക്കുക അദ്ദേഹമാണ് ഇവിടെ ഏഴരപ്പള്ളികൾ സ്ഥാപിക്കുന്നത് എന്നുകാണാം
Catholicism and Orthodox Liturgy are two different Liturgies. Cannot compare even if both have used East Syriac as a language. Original Christianity had it roots from Arameic Jews. The Liturgy has Jewish touch and feel to it. The great Schism has the roots of difference in Catholicism and Orthodoxy. St. Thomas has no connection to Catholic teachings or Liturgy. The Language shouldn't be the factor to decide the original tradition. Look at Orthodox churches around the globe they are the original true faith.
St Thomas had no connections to the Orthodox church either, as we were part of the Church of the East
@@elvisgeorge9613 St. Thomas came to India to share the Gospel to the Jewish people living in Malabar and elsewhere. The Church Liturgy he introduced had it's origins from Edessa (Mesopotamia). St. Thomas was a Syrian Jew first. The Syrian Liturgy he introduced in Kerala was based in East Syriac but from Persia. The initial Christian converts were from Jewish relegion and they combined Jewish customs into the Orthodox christian liturgy even before Apostle Thomas's voyage to the Malabar. The Nestorian Church's ignorance of a heresy in the church after the council of Ephesus in AD 449. So like the Nestorian Church, Malankara Church did not go through changes in the christian faith, until the Portugese invasion. By the order of Bishop Menezes of Goa lot of East Syriac Manuscripts were burnt down. Thus shutting us from obtaining the true facts on our roots of orthodox liturgy and tradition. Portugese wanted to introduce Catholicism and they were successful in hijacking "Pazhayakuttukar" faction into Catholicism and forming the Syro Malabar Church. We were called "Puthenkuttukar" mainly because we had the Syrian church of Antioch to support. Also, the liturgical continuity of the Church of the east in Persia or the nestorian church can be traced back to the Original Church in Antioch. East and the West Syrian Script in the liturgy was different.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century.
The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.*
When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church.
*Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc.
*The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.*
Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa.
When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.*
Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.*
During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.*
The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.*
During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East.
So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East.
Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._*
*_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*
@@4youreyes The arguments for the Antiochian relationship are not historical and have no support of evidence. I will show you why.
1. Firstly, *Patriarch of Antioch* had authority only over the *' East' province of Roman Empire.* The Roman Empire had a *province( called diocese) called Orients* ( which means East). This is where the Patriarch of Antioch had any authority over. Egypt was excluded from the authority of Antioch and was granded to Alexandria. This was the basic reason of struggles between Antioch and Alexandria. *So Bishop of Antioch( later Grand Metropolitan and finally Patriarch) had authority only till the boundaries of the Roman Empire.* The Authority of the Church beyond Roman Empire's Eastern boundary was largely decentralised.
Later the authority over the Church of these regions were consolidated in the *Patriarchate of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon.* *The schisms of 431 and 451 and later Jacobite schism of 518 led to the erection of rebell patriarchates everywhere throughout the once undivided and now divided Church.* Thus the *Maphrianate of Tigrit* was founded by the *Miaphysite Jacobite Church* to act as a rebell against the *Patriarchate of Babylon* and to act as an *ecclesiastical Hierarchy over Jacobite converts in Sassanian Empire.* It started using title of Catholicose , like the Patriarch of the Church of the East, in direct opposition after 628. But "the position of 'Catholicose' is historically equal to that of 'Patriarch'. The title 'Patriarch' is introduced only after the 5th century. The title of Catholicose is much older. _In Armenian Church Patriarch is under Catholicose and in Jacobite Church, Catholicose is under Patriarch_ ( _ both are not historical_ )
*_You should also keep in mind that none of the other Patriarchates of Antioch( Maronite, Melkite, Greek Orthodox, Syriac Catholic) has or ever had a position called Catholicose under their respective Sees to supervise their faithful in the Sassanid Regions._*
2. The Church in India never had any administrative or spiritual relationship with the Church of Antioch. All evidences show clearly that the Church in India was under the *Church of Persia.* Later the *Bishop of Revardshir in Persia* assumed Metropolitan title and *India became its saffragan see.* Later the *Church of India was reorganized and was raised to Metropolitan status directly under the Patriarchate of Babylon.* This process was initiated by *Patriarchs Ishoyab and Yahaballaha and completed by Patriarch Thimothy the Great* who are undoubtedly Patriarchs of Babylon of the Church of the East.
All evidences found is in support of this tradition. The *Chaldean Catholic Church* was formed only in 1552 through a schism in the *Church of the East.* Only two bishops, namely *Mar Iosep Sulaqa and Mar Avraham* have assumed the leadership of the Church of India from this faction. The rest of the bishops who came before were all from the undivided Church of the East. During the *Synod of Diamper* in1559, the *administrative relation between the Church of India with the Patriarchate of Babylon was deprived permanently.*
Later tensions between the Portuguese Padroado Archbishop and Archdeacon Thomas detoriated. This and many other conflicts led to the *Coonan cross Oath* of 1653. This culminated into the eventual division of St. Thomas' Nazrenes of India into two factions each led by Catholic *Bishop Chandy Parambil* and *Archdeacon Thomas* respectively.
After 1663 , Archdeacon Thomas Parambil contacted with various Church leaders through merchants to recieve an episcopate to block the flow of the faction of Christians from his leadership back into the Catholic faction led by his own cousin Bishop Chandy Parambil.
*In 1665, a bishop arrived from Patriarchate of Antioch to Malabar Coast in the person of Mor Gregorios Abdul Jaleel* who introduced Antiochian Jacobite liturgy , traditions and priesthood for the first time in Malabar.
The arrival of *Mor Ivanios Hidayattullah, Mor Sakkrallah,* etc. led to *Chengannur Palliyogam* in which *Antiochian liturgy* was accepted in this faction. *Mavelikkara Padiyola and Mullunthuruthy Synod* cemented the Antiochian Patriarchate's temporal and ecclesiastical dominance over the faction. Dissatisfaction due to all these efforts arose from various leaders throughout the period and this led to *division of this faction further into Five different factions.* The major division took place in 1912 , which led to huge thread to the dominance of the Patriarch of Antioch.
Neither the Church in India was under the See of Antioch nor the Church of the East or the Patriarchate of Antioch evolved prior to 4th century.
The *Christian Church* was formed in and around *Jerusalem* . Slowly it spread throughout Palestine. Jews were the backbone of Christianity. Many among the Jews were attracted by the new Religion. Jews who lived as emigrants also got baptised and they spread Christianity to their lands. Thus Christian Church started in gentile lands like *Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, Persia, Alexandria, Antioch and Rome* . The initial Church was under the leadership of *St. Peter.*
When the leaders of Judaism felt heat due to rapid conversions to Christianity, they started to persecute Church. So most of the Apostles moved to evangelise far lands. *St. Peter moved his See to Antioch and then to Rome, where he was martyred and got entombed.* Thus the Church of Rome came be to be known as St. Peter's Apostolic See. This yielded the Bishop of Rome the leadership of the Universal Christian Church.
*Apostles Simon, Judas, and Thomas* are credited with the evangelisation of non-Roman Empire regions like Edessa, Mesopotamia, Persia, Armenia, India etc.
*The Early Church liturgy evolved in three different languages and streams: Greek, Syriac and Latin.* The centre of Syriac Christianity was *Edessa.* The centre of Latin Christianity was predominantly *Rome* and Greek Christianity had two centres: *Antioch and Alexandria.*
Later, monastic societies began to exist. Slowly Theological Schools started developing from the cities of Alexandria , Antioch and Edessa.
When the clashes between *Roman Empire* and *Persian Empire* took its peak, Edessa was annexed by Romans and hence, the centre of authoritative *Syriac Christianity moved to Seleiucia-Ctesiphon in the Persian Empire.* The theological School of Edessa was implanted in *Nisibis.*
Then occured the *Ecumenical Council of Nicea* in which Alexandria and Antioch were raised as *Major Archiepiscopal Sees( Grand Metropolitan Sees)* with rights similar to that of *Rome over entire West.* The *Archbishop of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* was affirmed with the title of *Grand Metropolitan ( Major Archbishop) of the East.* This title was already assumed by the Church of Seleiucia-Ctesiphon during late third Century. *The See of the Patriarch of Church of the East is generally referred to as the See of Babylon* due to its continuous relocation due to frequent persecutions. This is seen in Western Church traditions too. *St. Iraneus and St. Jerome writes about St. Abdias( St. Addai) as one of the seventytwo Apostles of Christ and the first bishop of Babylon.*
During this age, Christian Persecution reached its peak in Sassanid Empire against the Church of the East due to alleged links with Roman Imperial leadership. The Theological School of Nisibis was again relocated to Edessa. *The views of the proponents of Nisibian theology like St. Aprem and those of the proponents of Antiochian theology like St. Diodore, St. Theodore etc intermingled in the School of Edessa. This school was the heartland of Antiochian Christology.* Similarly School of Alexandria also developed its own Christology. The relationship between the proponents of both the streams started a envious battle against each other and culminated in the *Nestorian Schism and Chalcedonian Schism.*
The *Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon* and *Emperor Justinian I* raised the *Sees of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem* to the position of *Patriarchates.*
During this age the *See of Babylon* didn't recieve a Patriarchal See because of the Nestorian Schism and the opposition towards influence of the Roman Empire over the Church of the East.
So the *Grand Metropolitan of the Church of the East in Seleiucia-Ctesiphon* self assumed the title of *Patriarch of Babylon* along with already assumed title of Catholicose of the Church of the East with the approval of the Synod of the Church of the East.
Persecution against the proponents of Antiochian Christology in Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire) led to the final relocation of the School of Edessa back to Nisibis. *_The Church of the East follows the theology of the Nisibian school and the Oriental orthodox Churches follows theology of the School of Alexandria._*
*_Catholic Church and Eastern orthodox Churches, meanwhile, accepts both the theological interpretations , but only on the basis of decisions of the Ecumenical Councils._*