Is Taylor Swift Queerbaiting?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Last October, after over a decade of fan speculation that Taylor Swift is a closeted queer woman, she finally addressed the theory in the liner notes to her album 1989 (Taylor’s Version).
#taylorswift #gaylorswift #gaylorism #queerbaiting
Remember when the internet tried to cancel Billie Eilish for "queer-baiting," but then it turned out she actually is queer? It's almost like some people are trying to force these celebs that are privately lgbt+ to come out publicly.
Lord, her reaction when Vanity Fair went off the end about their "scoop" on her sexuality was priceless. "I thought it was obvious." I never paid her a ton of attention before, but I have to admit that her Grammys outfit was so fricking casual butch I could've screamed.
@@lysanamcmillan7972I am very gen-z and would say I know some slang and or would understand “weird” language, but I have no idea what you just said😅
“Scoop”
“Butch”
Idk what you are trying to say. I have seen her reaction and I know which interview you are talking about, but I’m not sure if you are positive or negative about her.
Edit: ah okay ty, I understand the comment now. And yeah I agree, she could have been in one of those lesbian or Adam Sandler videos😅 I learned something new today. Also please tell me if the second one is considered offensive to lesbians, I don’t want to accidentally use it without knowing it was a “swear/slur/offensive word”
@@Iwastoolatetochangemyhandle Though I could be wrong but "Butch" is a term used to feminine/feminine presenting people who dress or act in a way that isn't typically the norm of feminine expression, like Billie's style of wearing oversized t-shirts and silhouettes that aren't overtly feminine/mostly just unisex. Correct me if I'm wrong though I don't know what "Scoop" means haha. (I used the term feminine just for inclusivity)
@@Iwastoolatetochangemyhandle A "scoop" is a news story that a particular news or media outlet has managed to publish before any of their competition. So if a news outlet claims to "have the scoop" on Billie Eilish's sexuality, they're saying they have some news about it that no one else has.
@@Iwastoolatetochangemyhandle Scoop and Butch are words that predate gen z by multiple decades btw
Not to mention we're forcing people out of the closet, giving folks who might be questioning no time to figure it out, judging people for questioning and trying to figure it out even if they realize that whatever sparked their interest wasn't queerness … we gotta leave real people alone
I just remember the incident with Kit Conner and it breaks my heart. Stuff like this isn't constructive yk? And it can harm people and the community as a whole, especially in contexts like this that shouldn't really be important.
This. The “judging people for questioning ” part really hit deep, that was my experience. I swear to god, every (cough, white) LGBTQ+ person where I went to HS was so brutal and sinister toward me for just wanting to know more about it. The just wrote me off as some cishet “enemy” before even getting to know me. No wonder I didn’t figure out I was a trans lesbian until I was 25 years old.
Also it creates/perpetuates such an odd view of friendships. Some of the "evidence" used to prove someone (whether real person or fictional character is gay) includes things like how much they hug their friends or how physically close they are. People are allowed to hug and kiss cheeks and hold hands and share a bed with friends! How about we respect platonic shows of love instead of believing every meaningful interaction has to be romantic? How about we let men and women be close to their friends without assuming there must be something romantic going on between them?
@@maitesoto1953 Exactly.
We say we want people to feel comfortable with platonic displays of affection, then turn around and use said affection as 'proof' of secret queerness.
And then, most disgusting of all, our community acts offended when people say it's not queer, and start making accusations of queerphobia.
I had to leave an online community over that behaviour. The mods were acting like people were being queerphobic and needed to 'unpack their internalized queerphobia' because said people were uncomfortable with the way folks were talking about a group of men hugging and showing platonic physical affection.
People of any gender and orientation should be allowed to show affection with each other without people assuming it's indicative of anything deeper.
@@Totally_Glitched Yesss. Sometimes a hug is just a hug. I'm ace/gray and am constantly amazed by how every tiny movement, glance, or fashion choice is sexualized. Even ace people don't get left in peace, like wtf was that whole garlic bread nonsense? Let people live without making their life a meme.
people CAN just be friends but whenever me, a lesbian, is just friends with a woman people interrogate me with the “dating” questions 😭
Yeah, I feel you 😭 Though in my case, I'm aroace (and afab nonbinary) and my friend is gay, and it really took like a year from us befriending each other for my family to process that no, this is not a crush, this is not a budding relationship, this is a platonic close friendship. It was pretty frustrating and we still get treated like a couple in stores and such. Even if we were both cis, straight and of opposite genders, what makes everyone think we would magically immediately pair up? It would be so much easier for guys and girls to have proper friendships with each other if there wasn't the constant outside pressure and romance expectations from others.
Stuff like this makes it feel like people treat friendships as a secondary thing that is trivial once you find a romantic partner, and that's such a depressing way to view the world I think. And with gay relationships it gets even more complicated, since there's the side where people won't acknowledge a genuine romantic relationship between two women or men, and the side that then views all of a gay person's friendships as "probably a crush or smth". Please just let people be and believe them when they tell you how things are for them, folks 😭
Tell them to fuck off. Telling people shut the fuck up and mind themselves should be way more normalized.
I had that same problem in Catholic school when I was a 13-year-old boy and the nuns started gay rumors about me and my best friend, just because we chatted about science fiction and didn't play sports or have girlfriends and sat with the girls at lunch.
@@elieli2893honestly I’m sick of it, I’m friends with a guy and people keep saying “so you’re not lesbian?!?!?!?” it’s just so tiring at this point
People have GOT to stop with assumptions that people/organizations in the public eye are consistently dropping puzzle pieces about their agendas like they're the friggin' Riddler.
It's so messed up when people treat celebrities like fictional characters. They are real human beings. People. Not puppets. Fictional characters are invented to be playthings, so go for it on a fake person. But leave real human beings out of your fandom behavior.
As an asexual, it is so wild to me how people can just sexualize everything. Like, I'm not kink-shaming, but learn the difference between your own kink and people just living their lives. You can live a better more fulfilling life if you're not looking at everything through horny colored glasses.
Right. It's odd to me. It's fine for people to make art of their kinks or whatever but there is no platonic love or friendship that hasn't been turned into p0rn fan art. Hell even Frodo and Sam. Is nothing sacred and pure? 😅
Someone's sexuality isn't an ARG to be solved. And while "authorial intent" does not matter as much as the wider world has been led to believe, what applies and speaks to you doesn't apply to everybody and that includes the creator of the piece. I'm just happy as a queer person I even have pieces of work to relate to in a world that is generally heteronormative. Art's beautiful like that, the way it can have so many meanings to so many different people.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU FOR SAYING "people can just be friends"
i understood shipping and like jokes but at some point you have to draw a line because it makes people uncomfortable
Honestly I don't like shipping real people and I don't think it's appropriate unless they've said they're fine with it. I'm someone who reads and writes a lot of fanfic but I draw a hard line with anything containing real people. Too many people have talked about shipping damaging their real life relationships for me to be ok with it ethically.
@@violetskies14 THIS IS SOOOO REAL. Like the only time i can tolerate shipping is if you personally know them like in a friend group, like banter. even that sometimes can go over the line tho
people see a celebrity that 1) is an ally and is vocal about lgbtq+ rights and 2) has friends of the same gender and immediately assume that they are queer and are hiding it.
either way, it’s her life. she is allowed to choose what she makes public about it.
Agreed, the over sexualizing of really everything is actually getting out of hand these days.
it’s the way she’s actually spoken out on this as well, saying that she was tired of all the speculation on her romantic life and who was the new guy she was with weekly, and decided instead to just spend time with her friends…but the speculations still didn’t stop (as instead of speculation about what man she was with there was now speculation that she was gay and that she was with women)
i went and found the quote..this is what she actually said (this is an excerpt from them.us) “‘I swore off dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, my growth, and my female friendships,’ Swift purportedly wrote, referring to this period of her career. ‘If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that right? I would learn later on that people could and people would.’”
It was an excellent video, Jessica!
So many queer bating accusations have lead to so many people being outed or outing themselves when they weren't ready because of the hate they were receiving and that's honestly so devastating
THANK YOU!!!
"People can just be friends." Holy shit. Thank you. As someone who is into fanart and shipping. People have forgotten what a strong friendship from either gender looks like. Like I miss seeing media where it's just girls having fun and having a strong female bond. But no. They HAVE to be dating. And then never have any other friends. Just the lover. It's annoying. I miss friendships lol.
(On the subject of 'calling out' queer baiting in people) some people are still discovering themselves and/or aren't comfortable sharing their gender/sexuality with others, so it is not a good idea to ever shame some one for 'faking' their identity and can make things worse for them in the long run.
Wow I never heard of this about her. But valid points made all around! Kudos!! Keep up the awesome content; sending love!
This is especially true with men. People will say that men need to be allowed to have close and emotional relationships, then say they're gay if they make eye contact with another dude, and then get mad if they're not queer.
Even though I think there is a certain level of fame that renders a person almost indistinguishable from a brand, possibly from a corporation...
I completely agree with your point.
I thought the only theory surrounding Taylor Swift was that she was a PsyOp, but after glimpsing the comment section, I stand corrected.
Very well said
Thank you. For me it’s on a par with the guys who think that I can’t really be friends with the other woman around me, *because* I am open about not being straight. Like - let’s not start. You have no idea what someone else’s experience of life and the world is, and they have a right not to share it with you, too.
ESPECIALLY after hearing the story of the author of love, simon, i’ve been disgusted by the handling of these topics by even some in the lgbtq+ community. She was harassed so much for being a “straight woman profiting off a gay man’s story” that she was basically forced into coming out as bi, even though she had never wanted to come out publicly in the first place. it’s no one’s business what happens in a public figure’s private life.
Real, can we just not keep trying to cancel people over stupid stuff, like idc if your right or left, if you wanna cancel someone have a reasonable reason to do so 😭
I love your content and I agree with you completely
You're absolutely right. We're supposed to criticize corporations and the whole media industry.
At this point no one will want to get close to anyone, because everyone will assume there is something sexual going on
THIS
I've been saying if we want genuine equality we can't put EITHER down. Don't criticize the Lgbtq community, but don't glorify it and make it seem like it's better than being heterosexual or cisgender. Then it kind of defeats the purpose of wanting equality.
Just let people be people.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Well said!!
Very well said bravo
also a huge part of the queer community either don’t stay the same orientation or realize their orientation(s) right away. some people need to experiment to figure themselves out, others have an innate knowing- sometimes we fluctuate between them. as we say: love is love. so be kind yall
Hasn’t she like explicitly said “guys stop saying I’m gay and in love with my friend, it’s damaging our friendship”?
I think we need to realise what we're talking about isnt queerbaiting but people profiting off gay culture or proformative allyism.
It's not a crime.
As a queer woman AND a swiftie, I can definitely get where Gaylors are coming from, I see it more in her lyrics, it’d explain how she’s the ‘mastermind lyricist’ every swifty sees her as. Subtle nuances in lyrics that hint at her knowledge of queer culture.
I think it’d explain a lot of she was queer, but I’m not looking for an explanation, who she likes is her business and no one elses.
If you say ur straight ur straight idk what to tell these ppl anymore, wise words m8!
"People can just be friends and we don't need to s3xualize that" this quote perfectly describes Walker scobel and Leah Jeffries' friendship, like excuse me, whoever ships them, but they're not lovers!!
I think we definitely need to hold celebrities accountable when they intentionally queerbait for profit, fetishization of same sex relationships is so harmful whether it’s the media or an individual perpetuating it. At the same time, people need to stop overusing the term and making baseless accusations before it loses its meaning!
Yes!! I think maybe a few people are actually maliciously (not really the right word but you get what I mean) queerbaiting, but most people are literally just exploring themselves and why the heck would we discourage that. Stop forcing people to come out and label themselves. Corporations deserve this criticism, not people exploring their identity
Thank youuuuu
Kit Conner (nick for heartstopper’s actor) was attacked and harassed for “queerbaiting after playing a straight character in a show and was forced to publicly come out of the closet to stop the harassment when he was only 16. We need to be better as a community and stop this nonsense from harming other people
Taylor career has been the one of a brand, she think of her performance has branding, she is the CEO and the headfront so i think critique remain pertinent
One small point of criticism would be that Taylor Swift, at least her public facing persona, is pretty dang close to being one of those media structures. Yes, she is a real human - but there is also a massive corporate empire built up around her and behind her, along with many popular musicians. There has to be a distinction between criticizing Taylor Swift (and artists like her) as a person - which I very much agree is bad, for all the reasons listed and more - and criticizing Taylor Swift as an *institution* that presents a largely controlled outward front, and is very capable of queerbaiting.
God THANK YOU
queerbaiting as a term came from such a specific context (largely, tv and movies “teasing” gayness for money) and honestly it’s use outside of that context is messy af
i think its also worth mentioning that the insistence that taylor is gay or bi is a way for these people to insist theyre engaging in queer artists work while not having to actually . do that
The idea that a real human person can "queerbait" by... Possibly exploring romantic options is so weird and chronically online 😭
Celebrities are commercial persona entities. Society should review their individual pseudo relationships with people they do not know in general. These people are likely not who them seem - the common you should not meet your heroes. A role of a celebrity or influencer is to find that bridge on relatability and likability.
Speculating about her sexuality is no different from speculation about her being pregnant. I am on board as a whole we remove unpleasant questioning but it is unfair to pick and choose.
Queerbaiting is only done by corporations, never by people!
i still remember when billie eilish dropped a music video having fun with girls and people accused her of queer baiting left and right. turns out she was actually queer, what a surprise. and even if she wasn’t, it’s not like she can’t act like that around her girl friend. i don’t get why people would “bait others into thinking they’re queer” if they’re so actively oppressed, it’s a really stupid thought.
Before I ever was in a lesbian relationship, I had besties that I would be perfectly and platonically fine with snuggling with and being very close to... I'm still like that. I feel like "platonic" is such a LOST WORD in the past decade.
Yes! I'm straight but I hold hands and lay with my close friends because I like being close to her. I'm not sexually attracted to her. The idea of a vagina or a female body does NOTHING for me. The idea of a woman doing something "romantic" (like a date or something like that) does not evoke the same feelings as a man doing those things. If I find a woman beautiful its because i want to BE her. If i find a man beautiful its because i want to BE WITH him. I just like being physically close to my friends and that's all it means to touch them 😅
if your parasocial relationship has gotten so out of control that you turn hateful when your celebrity doesn't turn out to be the sexuality you projected on them... mate you are the problem.
To be fair I don't think it's the obsessive fans saying she's not gay but is pretending to be
They're either saying she's straight aggressively or insisting she's gay aggressively
Whichever suits their personal parasocial obsessive head cannon
@@beththegreenfans are stupid
Say it louder for the supernatural fandom!
@@deanwinchesterinthedarktowerThey were talking about real people, not fictional characters.
@cynister7384 yup. I, too, was talking about real people. The number of people who hate JP for "getting in the way" of Jensen and Misha having a relationship (even though they don't) is absurd. The people who will push theories onto the actors, because of what they see in the show, and then get mad when the actors deny it, is just too much. They hate the wives of these guys because they make it harder to claim they're together.
People pushing a sexuality onto the actors, as if they know better is what I was speaking on.
Also bad for people forced out of the closet like Kit Connor and Dove Cameron(?) who maybe weren’t ready or didn’t want to share their personal lives online like that
I don’t think Dove was outted she’s been out for like ever
Even though they were both accused of queer baiting and didn't feel fully ready to come out. Kit harrassing on social media lasted for months and was very intense. People also started attacking his friends and family. People tried to get him fired from Heartstopper. Kit has even talked about it several times and asks to stop the topic and leave his sexuality and his loved ones alone.
Fortunately, Dove didn't have as such a terrible situation. She was also accused of queer baiting and came out under pressure rather than her own willingness and readiness, but fortunately her situation was not as bad as Kit's
Let's just hope that people will understand and no one will repeat Kit's fate because some people on the Internet think that they know someone famous's sexuality better than they do and know everything about them.
@@annabelcrescibene4257 Dove officially came out of the closet in 2021 becouse accusations of queer baiting and the pressure she felt...
What happened to Kit still makes my heart hurt whenever I think about it
@@marshimels8455 yeah, me too! No one should ever have to go through this. I only hope people who did this have at least some sense of shame for doing this shit to poor Kit
If Taylor says she's straight, we should believe her. If she's really queer and wants to stay in the closet, let her. If she wants to come out, she will when she's ready or wants to. But until then, you should take her words at face value.
And if she makes music that speaks to you as a queer person? That's great! Not all of her music is based on her real life feelings and experiences! She can make music that queer people can identify with WITHOUT being queer!
All of this!
Exactly! Like, music isn't always based on the writer's or musician's personal experience. For example; The song Gunpowder & Lead by Miranda Lambert. It heavily implies she shot her man, but she never did such a thing. Or the song Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer by Elmo & Patsy. That didn't happen! Or for a more realistic example, I'm Coming Out by Diana Ross. She's not queer, and she didn't even mean for the song to become a LGBTQ anthem. But it did, because we relate to it.
@dizzy_dino9052 right? If music were only based on personal experience then why did I write so many breakup songswhen I had never dated anyone when I was in 3rd grade 💀
It's cool that Taylor DOES write many songs based on her personal experience, but it's certainly not all of them! Speak Now was just about interrupting a wedding, it was _inspired_ by her friend's crush getting married, not Taylor actually crashing a wedding 😂
In Jess's original video on this topic, I saw a comment saying she should stay out of this because she's not a Swiftie and has no room to speak on this 💀 dude? Anyone can tell you to be respectful of someone's privacy and to not pressure them to come out of the closest or not to speculate to an enormous degree about their sexuality when they have already said what they are??
@@gwendolynrobinson3900 Yeah just because she isn't a swiftie doesn't mean she can't speak up about the disgusting behavior people have been using. We shouldn't treat anyone like that, it's common fucking decency!
exactly. you can relate to a cartoon for example, but not be a cartoon
YES we definitely don't need another Kit Conner Instinct. The poor guy got completely harassed and forced to come out as bi. Which even if he was straight playing a Bisexual character isn't Queerbaiting!.
Like when did playing queer roles by heterosexuals became queerbaiting? Back in the days queers wud pray for the days for a decent mainstream media portrayal of queer characters in Hollywood..now that it's a norm...they have started to become more arrogant to a point like saying only queer actors shud be allowed to play queer roles 💀
What happened with him was so awful man :((
queerbaiting accusations also frustrate me because they discourage people from behavior that breaks the cishet norm. this comes across most strongly with men (think harry styles) but in any case it's people refusing to believe someone who they think "acts queer" isn't actually queer. it perpetuates the idea that people can't have close/affectionate friendships with the same sex, wear whatever they want, etc etc without being queer. of course there are markers queer people use to identify each other but isn't breaking down strict gendered social expectations a long-term goal?
EXACTLYYYY "oh this person breaks gender norms, they must be queer, cishet ppl arent supposed to do that" do they even hear themselves...
Not to mention that queerness is so fluid that "acting queer" means they're just being themselves without caring for gender norms
This!!!
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YES TO THIS, FOREVER.
That aggressive response can also restrict other things, such as people's personal style and gender expression. I wonder how many female celebrities have worn dresses when they'd rather be in jumpsuits or pants, just to avoid getting yelled at on Twitter to "COME OUT OF THE CLOSET ALREADY!", or "STOP QUEERBAITING US!". 😑
She has come out saying she’s straight, I don’t know why people just can’t believe her. Even if she was part of the LGBTQ+ community it is none of our business unless she wants it to be. Someone’s sexuality is their business and their business alone unless they wish to share it with people. Just because someone is famous does not mean we deserve to know their sexuality.
Yeah too many people seem to think that someone who is famous, especially a woman, has to set a gold standard & be an example for everyone else, otherwise they are failing. So if they are overweight, get into a bad relationship, are not open about their sexuality, ect then oh no, they are setting a bad example, you have to be perfect & set a good example, but don't be too perfect because then that makes us feel bad & like we are failures.. 🙈😅 Or people just assume she is cuddling girls just to up her appeal & cash in.. as if she needs to 😂
I’ll always believe people whether they’re in the closet or not. It’s their life, and they deserve room and time to figure it out. Questioning someone’s sexuality is intrusive.
She did not say “I’m straight” Don’t take her words out of context
To my knowledge, she has never once directly said she’s straight. However, she has listed, on camera, gay pride as something that makes her who she is, posted “me! Out now!” on lesbian visibility day, planned to kiss Katy Perry for a music video until fans protested, chosen to wear hair in the bisexual flag colors and color order for that same music video, and other hints I’m not going to get into right now.
That said, I don’t endorse speculation about secret relationships she may or may not have with specific people, public speculation that any of her public relationships are fake or beards, or trying to pressure her to come out in more explicit ways. It is technically possible her queer innuendo was unintentional, and if it wasn’t then she clearly doesn’t want to come out explicitly right now and it would be cruel to rob her of that choice.
@@justrachel4496 she has stated in multiple interviews that she is not part of the LGBTQ+ community but is happy to advocate for them. The only reason the rumor of her being part of the community is because when she released 1989 (the original) she swore off boys and dating because it was being used against her, so she focused on music, her family and her female friendships, thinking people couldn’t sexuality that, but she was wrong (that’s how she described it). She has talked about this in multiple interviews as well.
I'm a big lesbian and I love Taylor! There can be homosexual undertones in her music but only because I put them there! She's said MULTIPLE times that she is just an ally and not a part of the community. I'm tired of people telling her she's homophobic for not coming out / queerbaiting when she's "come out" as cishet many times
“Only because I put them there” IS SUCH A GOOD LINE 😭❤
100% this, I'm a queer swiftie and I can relate my queer crushes to Taylor's music because her music is so relatable in many ways. And she's clearly fine with that since Seven & Ivy have been used in queer media.
@@dancerchronicles speaking of ivy, I went Sydney night three and she played ivy night four. And it's my favourite song. I'm so devastated
@@auroraa.writes ahh thank you!! I couldn't remember a phrase and look where it gets me
@@bethswiftie yeah I heard about that, with would've could've should've too 😩
Also people can be queer and in the closet and we’re not entitled to celebrities’ personal lives
"people can just be friends and we don't need to sexualize that"
thats some extremely wise words here
as an aroace i want to point out that love ≠ sexual/romantic attraction so bruh please stop 💀💀
I’m also ace and basically just left the exact same comment! lol.
Hear hear
I love my friends in a non romantic way that feels similar but different to the romantic love I feel for my bf. It's not sexual to love your friends, and as a demi/gray ace I'm with all of you who commented. Not everything needs to be sexual!!!
Cripes, I'm a hypersexual bi person and I have friends I'd never bang if you paid me. It just doesn't click. But I love them, too. Totally with ace/aro people on this one. Let the feelings be what they are and quit sexualizing everything more intimate than roommates in hazmat suits.
i genuinely love all of my friends in the most overprotective, slightly trauma-induced platonic way I possibly can. we don't need romantic love to love someone. for instance, pets and family. I really hope you don't romantically love your pets/family.
“People can just be friends, and we don’t need to sexualize that.”
This is a sentence that people NEED to start understanding😭
YESSS thank you! I hate stuff like this that muddies the waters on important issues. Plus, as another commenter said, if the person IS queer, you're potentially forcing them out of the closet, which is NOT good.
..and for some people out there, could threaten their lives. (depending on the person/the context of their lives)
It also stops people being able to express themselves and their sexuality… being gay or straight isn’t a personality trait. You can be cis and straight but not fit a gender role. We should be breaking the mould. It’s also completely normal to explore your sexuality no matter the conclusion.
The worst is that the gaylors call anyone who denies gaylorism "homophobes". We try to use reasonable arguments, but gaylorism grew up to be a conspiracy theory which says she dates around as a cover for her secret safic relationships she has with some female friend of hers.
Just take her for her word and let it be. If she's into women, she'll come out when she's ready. Just don't harass people, because that pushes people away when they were just trying to help.
Making weird theories about someone's sexuality and then accusing *them* of being in the wrong for not conforming to the theorist's ideas is beyond fucked up
the wild part is that some of the songs people claim are “queerbaiting” were literally cowritten by queer artists! for example, st. vincent cowrote cruel summer
I think some people could do with a daily reminder on their phones to help them remember that people in media are still people and do not owe anyone access to their private lives.
Because I think this parasocial hellscape we live in definitely makes people forget this fact quite often.
speculating on someone’s sexuality is gross to me. like i don’t care what someone is, it’s none of my business at the end of the day, and a global superstar doesn’t have to share whether or not she’s queer, because fans aren’t entitled to that. no one is entitled to something so personal like someone’s sexuality.
THANK YOU. GODS My biggest complaint in swiftie fandom is the Gaylor bullshit. (And also the obsession over her relationships in general. Especially when she has said SHE DOESNT WANT THAT.) A living person cant queerbait. Queerbaiting is an act done by corporations and marketing teams to draw people in by teasing queer content, and then not delivering (either not doing it at all or making them canon and then KILLING THEM. LOOKING AT YOU CW FOR CLEXA. And everything else CW has made like, ever.)
Music can mean whatever you want it to mean. You can like her songs, make them apply to queer situations, or not listen at all. It doesn't matter. Just dont be an asshole and harass people and celebrities over your persobal opinions. Let's leave this in 2023 already.
Yes!
Let people, real individual humans, be!
Maybe someone's straight, gay, bi, pan, etc not anyone's business but their own really.
It's wonderful to have queer icons, but you can't stop people from just going about their lives. And it's not fair to anyone to segregate certain clothes or interests as queer or straight. We're trying to get away from rigid boxes that people must conform to.
I thought she was queer with the you need to calm down bi flag wig but if she says she's straight. She's straight. Even if she's not and, say, she's queer with a male preference.... maybe thats just the label she's comfy with and she's allowed to do that. Or she's just straight. Regardless of if that person seems queer its not our place to accuse them with it before they're ready to tell the world themselves. If they ever do that.
Plus, Sexuality and gender are fluid, someone can be gay and then figure out they are straight or vice versa, someone can be trans and detransition and vice versa. That's not queer baiting, its perfectly normal and valid.
Also, Taylor Swift might actually be queer and just not willing to come out officially. And if somebody else comes out or not - or if they're queer at all - is none of our business.
I have always been extremely uncomfortable particularly with lesbian groups who insist that so and so must come out and support the community. I don't think we should have that kind of power. Actually we don't have that kind of power and that we would force people to come out when they're not ready to I think is absolutely criminal. So yeah leave Taylor's sexuality alone for Pete's sake she's having fun. Let's leave it at that.
A big thing about the Q part? Is that queerness is the answer "its complicated" to "what flavor of queer are you?". Humans can't queerbait. The corporate tools who take pictures of them and use them in marketing may queerbait, but that is NOT THE PERSON'S FAULT.
There's a very popular way of using the relationships between people who are either in bands or online gamer groups in places like Korea and China where they use photography of those same gender people hanging out together in ways to Market them to the opposite sex because they seem gay and therefore more accessible for some fetishy reason...but what is infuriating is that the people in thise groups are not at all responsible for that marketing, and baiting, and are sometimes forced to do it against their will...and worse, WILL BE FIRED IF FOUND TO ACTUALLY BE QUEER!
ALSO queer platonic relationships, such as those that happen in asexual and aromantic couples are queer but not gay. And people need to recall that while its pipular as heck to point out gay marriage from the 1200s resulting in slaughter of the couple if they were doing anything...we also need to remember that the QPR folks may have also used this to stop marriage pressure.
The fact that this has to be said makes me sad. Queerbaiting isn’t something real living people do, let people be people; human beings are complex in their identities & how they express them.
Those jet emissions are no joke...
Haven't they ever heard of Skype?
She is on a tour. Her airplane is filled with people who are working with her. It's not just her.
@@RandomSwiftie13why would she take her entire team with her to visit her boyfriend? Not talking about during tour but specifically her visiting someone.
@@Cinnamongirl4life reading fail.
@@Cinnamongirl4life She still has work to do on her way to and from the games. She has more than the tour on her plate. We're talking about a woman who is an industry unto herself, just as any pop megastar would be. She'd have higher-end HR decisions to make. Merchandising. Graphic design approvals. And the list goes on. That jet isn't only carrying herself, the pilot, and a very bored flight attendant. Also, you want her to fly commercial when she has schedules and deadlines? That is not how the world works. There's a meta-discussion about capitalism and its impact on performers to be had, but this isn't how we start it.
@@lysanamcmillan7972 she turned a 40min drive into a 15min jet ride. That's ENTIRELY unnecessary, no matter how you twist it. She doesn't need a private jet. Nobody does. She could just as easily fly charter. Instead she chooses to join the club of selfish billionaires destroying the earth.
People can just be friends ofc but also being queer is a spectrum and it’s not our place or business to say who (Taylor Swift or anyone else) falls on that spectrum and where. It’s fun to speculate about celebrities and other people’s lives, but remember that they’re real people’s lives, not fictional stories.
Queerbaiting is the the dumbest idea. Of course corporations do it, and it's bad, but to get mad at not queer people for 'acting queer' just perpetuates stereotypes.
Why do people care so much,like leave her alone, if she is/isnt queer it shouldn't be anyone elses business, just let her exist without putting stigma on her.
I don’t even try to assume people’s sexuality anymore or try to have them define themselves if they don’t want to. It’s none of my business unless they want to share that information with me.
Also, degrades conversations of the complexity of relationships, friendship or otherwise!
Scrutinizing a celebrity's sexuality makes me so uncomfortable. It tells everyone that their sexuality is up for scrutiny and some people are still figuring it out or would be in danger if they came out.
“People can just be friends & we don’t need to sexualize that.” Hear hear!!!🎉🎉 Let people be free to be as affectionate, or not, as makes them happy! (As long as it is consensual.) ❤
I think the only recorded instance of real-celebrity-queerbaiting _might_ be Misha Collins, who strongly implied he's bisexual one day, then had to come out as straight the next. But because the alternatives are 1) he made a genuine mistake or 2) he actually is bi and was 'encouraged' to get back into the closet by his team, I'm not gonna give him flack for it.
He was the first person to ever come out as straight
People can just be friends and we dont have to sexualize that!!! Nuff said
Omg thank you for saying that people can. just be friends. I feel like people struggle to get that through their heads.
Thank you for being a genuinely great person and pointing this out, like I know how it feels to be treated like that, people in my class thought that me and this boy in my French class liked each other just because we got along well. Well they were completely wrong, the actual reason we got along so well is because he was the only competent male a girl could find in that class, like cant people just be friends and it not be questioned or sexualised, like ever heard of a thing called friendship
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Accusations of queerbaiting has led to some celebrities being forced out of the closet when they weren't ready yet. That's actually harmful. To me, it also reinforces heteronormativity if we accuse anyone who express themselves a little differently of queerbaiting. What is sexual liberation if we aren't open to cis-straight people acting a little 💅 ✨ in a sincere way?
I'm not a Swiftie, I think there's a lot to criticize her for, and there's probably some things in her allyship we can discuss, but "queerbaiting" should not be something directed to real people.
Main stream pop: has TONS of sapphic women! Literally theres so many girls who like girls in main stream pop!
The gaylors: but what if we creepily OBSESSED over the sexuality of a woman???
Yeah, it's frustrating when people treat me and my friend as a couple just because we're good friends who don't share the same gender, so I'd imagine it is just as frustrating, no matter the gender of people involved. Kind of like when you *are* clearly a couple but people refuse to realize it 🤷♂️ Just... trust what people tell you, folks. If they later change their minds, you continue to trust what they say. Bothering people and making them feel like what they're saying isn't getting through, is not very nice. Coming to a self-realization is a thing of it's own, but you aren't entitled to force them into that realization.
Well said!
Absolutely adore your mannerisms!
Beautiful.
Do we not remember what happened to poor Kit Connor? Never assume someone is secretly queer because it only harms everyone
do those people not like listen to her songs…?
All your outfits are outstanding
"Queerbaiting" is another term that needs to go on the top shelf until people understand the definition and can discuss it properly, much like "gaslighting" and "delusional".
Honestly, unless someone's actually hurting themselves and showing a pattern, we need to make a conscious mental note to take the orientation people claim to have right at face value. There's no reason to investigate about it, it's about supporting people in how they feel best and most comfortable living their life.
Hell, you can even think they're lying just in your personal perspective and even that's fine, but don't throw a fit over that person expressing who they want to be presented as, or you're making the same mistake that we keep getting on homophobes about