How The U.S. Lost Thousands Of High-Skilled Workers To Canada
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- On July 16, 2023 Canada opened visa applications for a pilot program that would allow up to 10,000 H-1B visa holders in the United States to apply for a three year open-work permit in Canada. H-1B holders are highly educated and specialized foreign workers that work in fields such as tech.
After massive layoffs in the tech industry, this was a lifeline for H-1B holders who needed to find a new job or face deportation. The program was an instant success reaching its full capacity on the first day.
Since then, the Canadian government says more than 6,000 high-skilled U.S. foreign workers have arrived in Canada. CNBC spoke with several foreign tech workers and immigration consultants to uncover the story of how the U.S.’s bureaucratic visa process pushed thousands of high-skilled workers north.
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00:00 Introduction
01:25 H-1B program
05:38 Impact of tech layoffs
10:53 Reforming the system
Produced and Edited by: Sydney Boyo
Supervising Producer: Jeniece Pettitt
Editorial Support: Lindsey Jacobson
Animation: Jason Reginato, Josh Kalven
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How The U.S. Lost Thousands Of High-Skilled Workers To Canada
I am one of those tech workers that got pushed out to Canada during the previous administration. I am now Canadian and American. I can offer two perspectives, before, living in the US, I saw Canada as a beacon of what the US can be (and in some areas it is, but it falls short in others). Often people see the "grass is greener on the other side" perspective. I saw Canada's immigration as being fair and a points system. After living here for 4 years now and counting, Canada is a great country and beautiful but I started seeing flaws in the system. Basically Canada have the same problem as any other developed nation does, low birth rate, aging population, they resolve this by having an open immigration system, this brings problems such as impacts on housing, cost of living because the economy have to absorb 500-1 million immigrants per year. This also leads to overqualified people working for pennies due to overabundance of high skilled labor. My current job I get paid 60% less than what I would make if I move to US (with the same standard of living and overall similar inflation). It also leads to the watering down of the concept of being a Canadian citizen, due to how easily accessible Canadian citizenship is and Permanent Residency is, it creates social tensions of what being a "Canadian" truly is. Most people/immigrants these days see it as a stepping stone. Often, once an Immigrant gets their citizenship, they often move back to the US to make 60% higher wages or move back to their home countries due to the insane cost of living here and deteriorating healthcare system.
Summary
An average Permanent Resident/Canadian is overtaxed, receives subpar healthcare, makes pennies compared to their European or American counterparts, combined with the housing market of cities like SF or NYC, inflation that is twice of the US. The benefits are its good place to raise a family due to the many financial incentives, its safe, less violent crime, beautiful natural parks, and overall relaxing work-life balance. But as a semi-young person early 30s, it is better for me to move back to the US for more job opportunities and better pay and retire in Canada. this should be a question of where you are currently in life.
good insight!
Even if u gain Canadian citizenship, if ur born in India you'll still have to be back on h1... So the cycle repeats for you
Wow thanks for sharing. Yeah this is exactly the problem we have. Too many old people in there. We definitely need to shut people from abusing the system.
So that's the solution then ... they need to stop giving citizenship/permanent residency like candies ... and block old people from using the system. Like make it if you have worked your entire life elsewhere then you can't live here.
On the healthcare point - it depends on how wealthy you are. I'm sure there are many people in the US who can't afford healthcare who would rather have long wait times than no healthcare at all, especially for vital emergencies. I will grant that the US tech salaries are better than in Canada, though my understanding was that European tech salaries weren't that great, so I'm not sure about that comparison. Would have to look into it.
Worked in the US for 8 years on an H1-B. My employer promised me that they would file for the green card after my 6 mo probationary period was up and thet didn't. As for my wife, there was no chance - she had to sit at home.
7 years later, after having to renew my visa each year and the company refusing to pay for my visa (they did for the first two years until management changed) and after earning $20,000 a year less than my coworkers, I left the compay and left the US.
The one thing about an H1B is that you are an indentured servant and cannot work for any other company. If you are working for a good company, you are fine, but if you are working for a collection of opportunists, you have uprooted your life for no good reason.
@riverdalehigh8r5t highly doubt someone on an H1-B visa would ever make as much as an asylum seeker--not to mention needing to live while looking over your shoulder.
it's the government from your original country who has the duty to take care seriously of your employment situation.
well the logic to me is simple, because the country needs foreign workers to do things that americans couldnt do or wouldnt do. lots of asylum seekers or non-document ppl do that kind of things. but h1b holders' biggest advantage is not having skillsets others dont, rather is affordability and obedience which is at the cost of the us citizens. @@Scribemo
Is Canada more safer than US?
They can be ruthless…
When there is an overabundance of high skill labour, workers are underpaid and graduates cannot find work. This is what is happening in Canada.
happens everywhere... am living in Asia. Same thing... law of supply and demand
Companies are claiming that they are short of skilled workers when in fact there are plenty of graduates looking for work and noone is giving them a chance. I know so many classmates who hold several degrees and diplomas and still have to work minimum wage type of jobs. I dont believe in those claims from those companies. They just want to pay cheap wages and the government believes it.
Australia is wrose
@@hongkonghottiethen why u not become the demand ?
This is what happens only when job creation isn't keeping up with the pace of high skilled workers. That's why we need crown corporations in industries such as R&D, which can sell its services to other industries in Canada or abroad based on significance - if it's significant enough, it stays in Canada and vice versa.
Profits can be used to pay workers better than what typical American employees would make at their jobs while adding to our national revenues which can be used to pay down debt or start financing infrastructure projects via other crown corporations needed to keep up with population growth.
If the private sector is refusing to hire workers at appropriate wages while also refusing to improve productivity through technology, R&D and workload improvements, it ought to be up to newfound crown corporations with a redesigned definition to fill in the void.
My life was in limbo for like 10 years because of America's broken immigration system. Even when I first moved to the US as an international student, I always felt like they assumed I was a criminal or terrorist until proven otherwise. After I moved to Canada, my chronic anxiety basically cured itself. And it's not just the rules, it's also the tone in which the rules are worded. US immigration system calls immigrants "aliens", while Canada's call them "newcomers". You don't even need to know the laws to know which country actually wants immigrants.
And yet, Canada is still garbage to live in.
Aliens vs newcomers. That's deep.
Well canada doesn’t share a border with mexico where about 7 million illegals invaded. I don’t think you realize how much they cost. NYC threw VETERANS out of their housing for illegals. Someone coming here legally and illegally is the difference. Canada only shares a border with us, if they had the Mexican border instead it wouldn’t be so nice. And enjoy Trudeaus carbon tax, the 1m migrants with only 250k houses built and losing free speech
The US should be avoided until it can get its act together. If you have dark skin or speak with an accent, we have a substantial minority of people who WILL be actively rude to you. Or worse.
I grew up in the US and this is the worst in my lifetime. Before my time, it was Senator McCarthy, before that Charles Lindberg. This MAGA crowd has no trouble with the "Blood and Soil" concept, and they are so ignorant that they don't now where that comes from or what it means.
I'm glad you think that life as a US citizen is just ice cream and puppy dogs, and that only immigrants feel anxious. I'm glad Canada worked out better for you because they're more "inclusive" in their language. Canada sure is good at marketing. Hopefully that offsets the fact that there, you will always be part of their "mosaic," an exotic "other." And also that you won't be able to afford a house, but that's becoming a problem in the US as well.
Lol... Literally, 24 hours ago, I saw a report in CBC that 40% of highly educated immigrants are leaving Canada to go to the US. This is all about perspective. As a Canadian immigrant, going to the US seems logical. In Canada, inflation and housing affordability are through the roof while the job market and salary are way down.
What is actually happening is the best among the tech immigrants are coming to Canada, getting Canadian citizenship and then leaving Canada to work in the US.
That’s because US tech jobs pay WAY more than Canadian tech jobs. The same job in Canada can potentially pay x2-3 more in the US. Also the taxes in US are less so you get to keep all that extra cash
Soooooo this commenter is opining the video is dishonest and then proceeds to prove the underlying issue. 😅😅😅😅
It's easier and cheaper to get post-secondary education and citizenship in Canada, then go to the US on TN status. A job in tech pays 80k in Canada, but 200k in the US, so it's inevitable if Canadian companies aren't able to provide higher salaries. Also renting in major Canadian cities are actually insane, my rent in NYC was literally cheaper than my rent in Toronto.
"inflation and housing affordability" caused by the tech workers coming to Canada to get the citizenship and then leaving to work in the US. the very people causing the problems and leaving because of the problems they caused. humm.....
i personally the best place to be is europe, though the language barrier is tricky there due to globalisation everybody speaks english now rather than french, spannish, german, italian etc..
salaries in europe are higher than canada, a bit less than the US but cost of living compares and are maybe even better there, with better food quality and better cultural aspect.
and we compare salaries for sure but if you put it under the microscope you gain more money but loose free time, most of the americans vacation are ridiculous, in canada it's more generally and europe even more
Canada has the most PhD cab drivers in the world.
Same in philippines. But it's just the beginning. Colombia opened their digital nomad visa along with many European countries.
Problem is they got their PhD's in India.
Who do you think is applying for H1Bs? Scanadanvians?@@Arkiasis
Source: Voices of my head.
Know cuba?
I moved from H1B to Canada as a Permanent Resident because I didn't want to wait decades for a Green Card. The Canadian job market absolutely sucks. Very low number of tech jobs with even lower pay when compared to the US. Grass is greener on the other side. Canada does a really good job at marketing.
Yeah! I’m a new tech grad from one of Canadian colleges and hearing that Canada brings more tech people gives me an anxiety! Where me and my classmates are supposed to look for a job? Not many companies hiring right now in Canada new grads. 😢
You forgot to mention the devastating winter weather and gloomy skies for seven months!
@@tinabazhenova1543it's too bad your country doesn't prioritize you over foreigners. Mine doesn't either.
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You never think of the gun crime, poverty and social division in America.
Thank you for covering this CNBC
As an American I can't wait to retire in another country. Here is unaffordable and the environment is way too stressful. Nobody relaxes here. I worked as an engineer for 6 years and companies treated me like dirt. I switched to patent law and the law firms worked me to death. Go to Europe, make less money and have a much better work/life balance and healthier lifestyle.
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I spent a year in Europe and decided to come back. The grass isn’t any greener. Pay is low, housing is super expensive (more than the USA) taxes are high, and I had better healthcare in the USA provided by my employer.
Yes, universal healthcare is decent, but the wait times are outrageous. I would rather get a job in the USA with a top employer and have great healthcare instead of settling for universal healthcare.
I completely understand now why people want to come to the USA.
But you are talking about retirement, so a different situation.
@@aswinhanagal4293yeah the USA is the best country in the world every other country is a slum tbh
Shame on you. Talents from Asia are dreaming of moving to America but people like you, ungrateful people like you take opportunities for granted
@@niavellir7408if you think that you must be one of the millions of Americans that have never been out of the country.
As a Canadian who moved to America this video leaves out a lot of day to day living expenses. In Ontario there is a 13% harmonized sales tax, 8% provincial and 5% federal, on goods. Gas in London, Kitchener and Toronto is about $1.40-$1.50 a litre. Housing is well above $500-800K. Rent is $1800-3000 depending on the city and location. Most students I worked with from Western University were moving back to their home countries because Canada was too expensive and they did not like the winters. Healthcare is not free - that's why you pay high taxes.
"As a Canadian who moved to America" is like saying "as a German who moved to Europe". You probably mean the US.
100 million Americans have medical debt, and U.S. politicians are patting themselves on the back for having this not count towards a bad credit score that increases your costs to rent or get loans, instead of adopting Universal Health Care . Healthcare costs money, but no civilized country should have citizens go bankrupt if they get sick.
@@tstcikhthys America = USA. You may be thinking of North America which is a continent.
@@info781 No, America ≠ the USA. America = America, which is either a continent or a region, depending on which continent model you were taught, that spans from Alaska to the Tierra del Fuego. What do you think "United States of America" means? And why do you think no map shows "America" as a label of the US (go look at Google Maps, for example), while showing simple labels like "Canada" over Canada?
Toronto and Vancouver are not representative of Canada. Toronto Housing is more expensive than California. Montreal and Calgary are easily 40% cheaper. Also, the current inflation started in 2015 is impacting the whole globe. I know people saying Texas is no longer cheap.
Good move, Canada! Canada really needs skilled workers who have little to none medical needs and pay more taxes. However, Canada has to know what attracts the high tech workers to come here; the truth is, a good amount of them would get a PR and then citizenship and then go back to the US in a couple of years.
Not really
If you have the diplomas/work experience for it. There is lot of very high salary job
The only people who move to usa are the one who the palm tree sunny beach paradise lifestyle. So they move to florida or south california or hawaii
But thats only a small amount of people. Cause most people simply spend 2 3 weeks vacations in those places and are happy about it
Im a Canadian with a Bachelors in Comuter science. Iv been unemployed for many months. there is too much competition and layoffs have happened in Canada aswell. At this point, ill even accept a minimum wage job in my field. Canada is no longer a country of opportunity. there is a surplus of labour, and despite the bad situation for tech workers in the US, it still offers more opportunity than Canada
Yea the Indians often use canada as a stepping stone to the US
This is not unique to Canada, though. This is happening across the globe.
@@thesatsui But in Canada soo many people are being brought in that we Canadains are forced to leave the country. that is not right
Come to Alberta, Canada's Last Stronghold. We work hard but we need more muscle 💪 to fix this beautiful country.
@@amazingamx1255 Canada's emigration rate is extremely low, like less than 50K per year. It's a lie that Canadians are leaving.
Our immigration system sucks, and I'm a US citizen. I know for a fact that businesses take advantage of their employees that are visa holders. This has a trickle down effect on US residents trying to compete for the same positions. Sure, US citizens get paid more. But I think we'd actually all get paid more if we were all on a level playing field.
I graduated with a degree in information systems, born and raised in the states. Tried to get a position in my company at the time, I was told there was no opportunity. One year later the whole US born Systems team was replaced by H-1B immigrants from Lebanon and India. Just like how they did Disney workers.
@@MrTwenty6point2what do you expect with a degree in "information systems". It's a watered down computer science degree with little use for real world jobs. Just learn to code and build actual stuff, that's what those indians and other immigrants are good at. They get stuff done.
@@MrTwenty6point2 don't blame your incompetence on immigrants. Business is business in the end, it doesn't give a damn whether you are an American or African, it just wants qualified personnel for the job. You guys have a problem of blaming everyone except working on yourself. Pathetic.
@@freemanolindians get job due to less salary. Not becuz of coding. India's rank in coding is above 36.
@@freemanol many intelligent Indian students came to America，American local students can not compete with them. Its truth.
It's all a matter of perspective. Here in Canada we lament losing our graduates to US due to lower taxes in the States not to mention the strength of the US dollar. Imagine earning your salary in Canadian dollars which is currently valued at 72 cents in the US.
Lot of these tech companies have a presence in Canada and this becomes essentially an inter company transfer...pay maybe affected but is usually negotiable...a lot of Canadians themselves did this during COVID shutdowns
People come to the US because they WANT to, people leave the US because they HAVE to. I don't think most people who leave the US would if their immigration system isn't so broken. Canada knows this so they take advantage of it. The only people who has it worst are always immigrants
Don't have to imagine. We migrated to New Zealand which is $0.59 to the USD. Plus the salary is lower even if your don't take the currency into account.
But what we don't have to worry about anymore is that our daughter will be shot at school.
Choices.
@@gorgthesalty it costs me $60 to see my gp (primary care doctor) but that's all I ever pay. Anything she refers me to, blood work, MRI, specialists, etc. is completely free. Prescriptions are also free. Payroll taxes are about the same as in the US. The big downside is that you might have to wait to be seen, but frankly I've had to wait months for a specialist appointment in the US too.
@@ZagnutBar your daughter statistically is more likely to be injured or killed by a myriad of things before school shootings come up on that list.
School shootings are talked about because they are horrible but there also not that common
Canada is doing a great job with having a well structured process to permanent residency compared to the US.
Would be really nice for more tech firms to set up shop in Canada tho. Definitely need more supply of jobs.
My country needs to improve its security clearance process for newcomers. I don't feel confident that my personal data will be protected. It's hypocritical to speak out against other countries' human rights records while employing staff members who have been in Canada for less than two years.
You mean Canada make it easier to get in because their country sucks and wages are much lower? Sounds about right. Canada doesn't have much to offer new immigrants thats why its so much easier to immigrate there. In the meantime, everyone wants to go to the US. Thats why the requirements are higher.
Look how many illegal immigrants are coming across the southern US border. I dont see that problem in Canada cuz nobody wants to go there. Everyone knows the US is the place to be and its the land of opportunity. They just go to Canada as a 2nd option if they can not stay in the US.
@@marryson123because 🇨🇦 doesn’t border with Mexico so no one is border crossing ?
My greatest concern is how to recover from all these economic and global troubles and stay afloat especially with the political power tussle going on in
US. The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance.
The wisest thought that is in everyone's minds today is to invest in different income flows that do not depend on the government, especially with the current economic crisis around the world. This is still a good time to invest in gold, silver and digital currencies (BTC, ETH.... stock,silver and gold)
Even with the bad economic, My life has totally changed since I started with $3,000 and now I make $68,700 every 14days for the past 3 months, I can afford any car or house of my choice right now and I don’t need to worry about my retirement ….,God bless Mrs Eleanor Nelson Barnes
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As an immigration lawyer in Winnipeg, I have spoken with many (many!) folks in the USA who are looking at options to come to Canada. This program is one of many potential options. When I talk to tech workers, the main factor that is not included in this video is the salary difference. IT workers in Canada make 10% to 30% less than their counterparts in the USA, from what I'm told. So these workers have to make the difficult choice whether to take less $$ for a higher chance at permanent status. We have helped many through the procedures. In some cases, they have the long term plan of returning to the USA. Every case is different.
More like half, taking in the exchange rate, excess taxes and lower nominal salaries.
they do go over the pay difference in the video
And also housing shortage (which is THE biggest crisis in Canada, there's no housing available, a crack den costs a million dollars), general cost of living, lack of choice, poor infrastructure and collapsing healthcare system. Canada is a shithole.
There were and are widespread abuses of H1B visas! Something this reportage doesn’t cover. Canada is no where near competing against the USA on tech sector.
Can't blame people for wanting a better life. If all we in Canada offer is a easier step into that better life, even if it means they don't stay, then I feel we've done a good thing.
What are these guys talking about? There are hundreds of thousands of tech workers available due to massive layoffs on both sides, Canada and the US. There is no “talent stealing/losing” happening anymore. There is no “IT talent shortage” in Canada at all. Many of us in Canada are struggling to get a job in IT.
Must be because of a talent shortage :) That's the lie told about American tech workers for decades to facilitate this visa treason in the first place. Now the existing immigrants are being replaced by new immigrants. I'd call it KARMA.
There's a labor shortage because the pay is so low in Canada. I retired at 59 because I couldn't see working at a third of my salary in Canada vs what I commanded in the US.
If a person with a job moves to Canada.. it means job moves along with them..
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Thanks to tech layoffs in the U.S. I wouldn’t suggest anyone move here for tech. There are plenty of jobless qualified tech workers here but since it’s an employer’s market they can refuse to hire anyone who doesn’t meet 90% + of a job posting because they refuse to train them and claim they need H1B workers.
Facts
That might be true for entry level but for very specialized senior level roles... oh boy. Complete opposite. It is very hard to find a machine learning engineer with 10 years of experiences for example. These people are literally like unicorns. Pretty sure they only exist only in golden handcuffs at some prestigious big tech companies. No way can you get these talents. Anyone actually in the market and out in the wild will be hunted down and snatch up before you can even send them a linkedin email
@@IamAWESOME3980
1. It’s way beyond entry level. People with real experience and years at a firm were sometimes even hit with multiple layoffs in one year staring in 2022 .
2. MIL has been around for a while but only really been big in tech for 5 years or so. Of course you are going to find a hard time getting someone with 10 years experience lmao. This is the classic job posting trope of wanting 20 years experience for a tech that’s been around 5 . This part of the reasons people are becoming disillusioned by tech right now.
It is all over the world. In Poland country says he needs bring more people IN but basically encourages people to be pushed OUT. A minimal wage in Poland won't allow you to rent a 30 square meters old flat, 6km from a city center of warsaw or Gdańsk yet companies want to employ people only on minimal wages. If they can't get them they say we have a labor shortage. Obviously there is not so many quality people who want to earn a minimal wage in Poland so everything except corporations profit is decreasing. The safety, wages, quality of life. Since 2017 even after raises my disposable income purchasing power parity decreased like 64%. I actually counted it. I am highly skilled but not in IT and I basically only surviving. I know engineers working in research and development for companies like boeing who are also just somehow managing. Having maybe 10% more than me. If you think going to Europe will solve your problems? It won't. In western Europe you don't have as many open jobs like in the eastern europe but in eastern europe you have basically slave wages, too low even for eastern Europeans. Currently second biggest immigrant group in Poland are Indians, people from Pakistan and Bangladesh, Uzbekistan aren't so far behind. Obviously there is plenty of good quality people in these countries but they won't imigrate to Poland or Romania. What for if they can go even to USA or Germany.
@@IamAWESOME3980 The solution is easy; either train people or pay more.
Shame no one mentions these workers are the top 1% elite from their respective countries and this video makes it out like they are desperate and screwed if deported
They won’t be screwed. The economy of the country who needs them will be screwed/affected. These workers being competent will find job in some other countries. It is just that the sense of insecurity with the US immigration is what they don’t like.
No they are not mate lmao 😂
The whole point of an H-1B visa is supposed to be a stop gap if there is a labor shortage of not enough American citizen tech talent. That shortage...is over. We now have tech layoffs ..like alot. Are we really lacking enough tech workers here..? What context am I missing? Is this just uninformed reporting...? Is this "gaslighting reporting" to fuel more unemployment or lower wages of tech talent...why is this context not part of the reporting? Does this context I am mentioning make this reporting invalid given the current market conditions? What is the argument or hypothesis of an issue that is worth reporting here? Am I missing something?
All this video argues for is removal of country cap so each of the applicant have an equal shot. Sure, reduce the quota of 85k/year to 50k/yr but don't discriminate on basis of country of origin.
This intent of the video was primarily to highlight the ease of immigration between the two countries and the global competition for talent. This probably stems from a fear of missing out on the best and brightest immigrants given how the US hates to lose.
@@RonMilestom Yeah let's stop discriminating against those American workers that want livable wages.
@@jackrose7986 you know there is part in the process where salary and post is shown on a visible board within company premises and anyone can object if the post is eating up any local job. Living wage is just a made up concept. H1b workers are work on jobs which are upwards of $50/hr. Sky is limit above there. May the best man win. Many Americans are fine with low income immigration that really wipes out poor wage job but want no competition at a higher scale. Don't be a classist here.
I don’t see any issues with the H1B restrictions. They’re choosing to work here and that’s the price to pay. Ideally the risky job security should be worth it for the benefit of working in America.
The problem I see with immigration is determining if they actually want to become American or if they’re just planning to get the benefits of being American and then just funnelling money out of our country. It’s a difficult problem to solve and it’s just safer to restrict flow than to risk a massive resource drain by accepting too many people.
13 years and counting. I have a bachelors and a masters, speak 3 languages and certified in several areas of tech and project management. Still no path for greencard. Canada is sounding better and better by the second.
You’ll be back in the us in no time lol trust me
Wow. I'm so sorry. We Americans really take for granted how much we automatically have just for being born in a certain place.
@@luisenrique9015 facts, many have left for canada and realized it was a mistake. search not canada on youtube and watch and see
@@luisenrique9015 I think this individual was trying to get a green card for the United States, meaning this person does not live in the United States. By the way the United States has its own set of problems so no country is perfect.
Move to Canada and stop wasting your time
I've been in the US for 12+ years and still walk on eggshells with no Green Card in sight forget a pathway to citizenship. It's just sad.
I'm one of those tech workers who came to Canada from the US. I however, have dual citizenship so it was a lot easier for me. I have actually left the tech field and I'm now in medical school here in Canada.
Great job the tech industry has no job security
@@ImAyBeastAs an American I moved to Spain in 2005 and I've been working in tech for the same US company since 2007. Since covid I have 100% work at home contract with 28 days of vacation and 15 public holidays per year. My contract also limits my daily work hours and doesn't allow me to work weekends. They even pay for my internet and electricity every month. I sold my house in Atlanta and moved because I was laid off in a downsizing.
Studying in Canada might make sense, but do you plan to work in Canada afterward when you could be earning a lot more in the United States? If so, why?
Why leave tech?
How did you find the tech scene in Canada? I’m seriously considering.
Canada launched a few programs like this before. And now India trying to retain their IT talent with incentives to move back.
Well those jobs go where the talent goes, that's why bezos setup next to Microsoft so he could poach talent and today Seattle is richer than Detroit, the same happened with Bangalore
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Be careful if you choose to go to Canada as a high-skilled STEM worker. You may face fewer or poorer opportunities in your field, lower pay, and higher living expenses. Don't forget the colder weather and the higher taxes. On the upside, there's free health care, no employment restrictions with permanent residence, and a relatively fast and easy path to Canadian citizenship, which can then open up a world of opportunities (literally). As well, many tech companies from the West Coast and the Northeast are moving operations north due to lower cost. Good luck to all of you.
> free health care,
It's not free. You literally pay for it monthly out of your paycheck
Who are these people talking about labor shortage in tech sector in Canada? Did they even do any research? Canada has a job shortage and if you’ve worked in Product Management or Software Development, there’s practically 0 jobs.
agreed,hey if the person who goes to the us for masters ,they get 5 year visa right?what is this about the 2 month grace period on h1b?is the 5year visa called h1 b?
@@Blah888Lol. 5 years what! Stem is 2 years post study visa, that allows you to work. The work visa is called H1-B visa that is tied to your employer
masters is two years and work visa is 3 years isnt it?after that 3 year time period is when the 2 month grace period all that stuff take place?@@billie.
@@Blah888 it is two years not 3 years.
The F1 visa has a validity period of up to 5 years.student's residency status in the United States remains valid for the entire duration of their study but after the completion of two years masters the grace period is 60 days.is this one right?@@billie.
As a Canadian, I feel like another benefit is that (until recently with housing crisis), vast majority of Canadians are pro immigration. Politicians dont use immigration as a political football, nobody tries to pander by promising to ban certain types of immigration. So immigrants or foreign workers dont have to fear a sudden policy shift if a certain politician get into office
Unless the conservatives win, then all will change since they are anti-immigration.
I can’t wait to see how fond you grow of Indians as they increasingly deny killing a Canadian citizen and instead accusing Canada of supporting terrorism.
In short, Canada has LESS of those HYPOCRITICAL right-wing CONSERVATIVE ENTITLED A-HOLEs! 😏
This is true but realistically, 75%+ of American immigrants never have any issues in this regard. Especially those in technical field who will get sponsorship for visas. As you said, it’s the politicians. Most Americans love immigrants. I shouldn’t be politicized as it is, that’s for sure.
most Americans shouldn't love immigrants when most of them are illegal and low skilled, hurting the poorest people the most as their jobs will be taken the quickest (by the millions of cheap IMPORTED workers brought in to lower the poor Americans bargaining power). as a greedy capitalist, it is a whole lot easier to pay some South Americans $8 an hour to do work rather than pay an American $15 for the same work. Stop hurting the American poor!@@Laminar-Flow
I think it’s an important consideration to reframe the binary win/loss dichotomy. If people go to other places, it doesn’t necessarily mean that we lost them. Rather, it’s an opportunity to re-strategize and attract the skilled workers in other ways. We keep everything the same and then complain that we’re losing things; while the problem may be that other countries are adjusting their policies to attract the workers they need and we don’t. We’re shooting ourselves in the proverbial foot.
Interesting Dynamic!!
My entire family are Chinese students that immigrated to the US. I think Canada has the right process, approving immigration based on degrees/skills/merits rather than the US's more reuniting family immigration policy. At the end of the day though, most of us WANT to immigrate to the US more than Canada because (1) the best universities and professors are in the US, and (2) US jobs pay far better than Canada.
US real need to clamp down on the illegal immigration instead of turning away legal immigration applicants who advanced degrees. We are more intelligent, law abiding, pay more taxes, just make better new citizens overall. It is extremely irritating to see people whose first act is to break US laws somehow can cut in line ahead of those of us who have earned our place.
Asians tend to be racist people, we don't want more racist , elitist people in our country. You should stay back in your home countries with your advance degrees and use it to benefit your countries
Good comment
Same feeling, deeply agreed
From a competing white-collar employee who is a citizen perspective, the illegal immigrants do not affect us as much, they provide services which would otherwise be really expensive to obtain, plus they contribute on our groceries also being less expensive. However; the arrival of more white-collar immigrants are a direct competition to us, and the more arrive the more wages would be depressed, while prices around us would continue to climb thanks to inflation. Furthermote we are not only competing in wages and job opportunity but also in housing. It is ridiculous that engineers and other highly educated professionals in Canada have to resort to living like they are university students sharing rooms and all that. Please do not bring that here. Thank you. (Do not Canada my Amurica)
I agree with this comment but the illegal immigrants you speak of also has a role in America and contribute billions of dollars to this economy. Unless you want to go outside and work in 110 degrees weather for low pay, i suggest you not make such statements against the hispanic community. The problem is not them but existing people here that can not contribute or further advance the economy (white americans) which is the reason for more immigrants. The poor education system is a joke and the white Americans cost too much and may be too risky to employ. Rethink. Someone can do it cheaper. Maybe better too.
Canada isn't stealing anyone. Canada has no gun crime problem, is immigrant-friendly, and is clean.
no crime? in canada? Really shows how detached from reality you are
Literally thousand of Canadian move to USA for better economic opportunities. This report is just misleading or deliberate propaganda
@@apostate6849what kind of crime are you talking about? Look up gun murder stats in Canada and US for example
I was born and raised in the states, graduated with a degree in information systems from a US college. Tried to get a position in my company at the time, I was told there was no opportunity. One year later the whole US born Systems team was replaced by H-1B immigrants from Lebanon and India. Just like how they did Disney workers.
The U.S. has lost thousands of high skilled workers...but not to Canada.
if you have skill nothing can stop you from getting job
@@tusharnvgf it’s not a skill issue. I work for a fortune 100 and each year my company is replacing H1Bs (and American citizens of course) for direct hires out of India. They cause several data breaches (in the news) due to their lack of skills. But this is a more favorable outcome to the company as they can get 3 low wage, grossly unskilled workers to 1 H1B/US highly paid, highly skilled worker.
Wages are the single biggest expense for every major publicly traded company. It’s a race to the bottom.
@@tusharnvgfIt’s not skill it’s the foreign workers, working for lower wages
well indians work for lower wages in their country, if they had some guts to say NO to the employer, they would have been paid more, then these same people "cry" why they are getting paid less@@niavellir7408
This is not an issue with the H-1B or e-3 visa's. They already have requirements in place that the role has a lack of qualified US applicants and that its a prevailing wage (not a lower wage), so you would have to be a weaker candidate for this to make sense.
If what you're saying is true then its an enforcement/laziness issue when determining visa eligibility or your company was trying to game the system to save on wages or possibly both.
The hiring process in the US through vendors has been marred by corruption for years paying very low wage, often disregarding the expertise of skilled workers by treating them as cheap labor from countries like India, South Asia, Asia, and Africa. This oversight fails to recognize the indispensable contributions of these skilled workers to various industries.
So I strongly urge all my fellow experts tech workers to seek out for other possibilities like Canada.
We aren't 'stealing' anything. If US companies treated their employees like valued workers and as people, they wouldn't be leaving. People who are happy with their jobs don't leave them.
exactly. after the latest tech layoffs, folks are looking at other countries e.g. Canada, Australia, Singapore. The irony is that the tech companies want to hire people back! Frankly, tech is never going to change with the long H1B pipeline there: they can and will treat employees as disposable and exchangeable commodities.
They weren’t mistreated. They were let go due to cuts. We can’t have an immigration system that favors two countries just because there are billions of them. It’s not fair to people from smaller countries.
Yeah, "stealing" is not the correct word.
@@user-hu3ze4yw4qYeah, like you know they weren't mistreated, money isn't everything, I know this because I worked in the US for two years and it's very stressful to keep up and companies expect you to be more productive because you're from those two countries lol this was one of the reasons I left the US and moved to Germany.
"poaching" is a better term. They are basically honoring US visas instead of making a new application process
As a Canadian, I know for a fact that the US is still preferred over Canadian due to the high taxes, high cost of living, and relatively lower income in Canada
Yeah but you're WAY less likely to get shot in the face at the mall or walking down the street in Canada.
notice how they used china town to show canada LMAO
For sure. US tech wage is way higher than in Canada. US may losing skilled workers to Canada. Canada tech jobs are shifting to the developing countries
Canada is too cold for most. Most of those immigrants are asian. They sure dont like snow
@@ndychung007 There were and are widespread abuses of H1B visas! Something this reportage doesn’t cover. Canada is no where near competing against the USA on tech sector.
I’m Canadian and it’s extremely hard to get a good job. I see why now.
Skill issue. Stop smoking weed, drinking alcohol and start studying and working hard like immigrants do.
You lack marketable skills
@@MAC-vi7fy ah yes, just compete with 1,000,000 people coming every year with fake degrees and willingness to work for an 1/8th of the cost.
@@MAC-vi7fy I have a business thanks. I do better than you can imagine.
@@donsilverson9927 Then why are you complaining? If you have a business and doing good why are you looking for a job?
As a Canadian, all I can say is GOOD LUCK if you decide to move to Toronto/GTA - the housing market is a mess, traffic is a mess, wages are massively lower than the US (w/higher taxes), our infrastructure is bursting due to all the excess immigration and most importantly the job market is VERY slow in tech/IT as of late. Slow to the point that one decent paying job can get upwards of **1,000** applicants to it.
It is not just due to immigration policy or housing crisis in San Fransisco and LA. It is largely in tech layoffs of 2023. Most workers have been worn by hostility in big tech. Tech workers are so feared who is going to laid off next that they are just quiet quitting and moving to Canada. Although, Canada has it's own problem.
That's the reason I left the tech field and enrolled into medical school.
@@sinebarGrass is not greener in the healthcare field.
@@fridericusrex9812healthcare is more layoff proof than Tech. Plenty are making that move. When a Nurse gets laid off, they got a job lined up within minutes if they want to
It would honestly be amazing if many of the Indians left for Canada, but they won’t. They’d rather live in the US while hating it
@@fridericusrex9812 they can still screw people in the medical field.. until the umbrellas INSURANCE & BIG PHARMA industries GET FIXED! 😏
A lawsuit was just settled by Apple, about how they made preferences for immigrant workers over U.S. Workers. This video is misleading, because the U.S. Companies are more incentivized to hire immigrant workers because they have much more control over them. I, as a U.S. Citizen can quit and find another job, but ppl on visas aren't so lucky. Also, since these companies are American shouldn't they prioritize Americans for their jobs? I've been in tech for a few years now and I do see the preference given to immigrant workers by these big tech companies because they know they can control them. If the immigrant worker doesn't deliver, he not only gets fired, but risks getting deported
Well said
The common strategy is to hire an H1-B and make sure they put in 50/ 60 hours a week and if they don't... You have to understand the work can't efficiently be divided up. In SW, it's like one guy putting in a 55-hour week is the same as two guys putting in 40-hour weeks. And what's not understood by those who say, "train local talent", while the truth is there's a preference for an H1-B holder because of this fact. When you don't have a choice, you work 55 hours for a 40 hour salary, something that's not widely understood by government types.
CNBC is just fearmongering on behalf of Microsoft and Google.
The American middle class taxpayer does not stand to benefit from yet another concession to these corporate gobblers. The H1B visa program should stay as it is until these companies lobby the American Congress just as they do for these issues, but in order to close the tax code loopholes they so much enjoy to rip off the American taxpayer with.
the company has the right to hire the best talent, regardless of the country of origin,
apple , google, tesla, microsoft all have the right to hire whomever they want,
only in the govt jobs citizens have a claim of job
non-citzens dont have any rights man, they can not volunteer, they can not do a side business of uber or anything, they can not leave their company, they are extremely restricted due to h1b and other visa restrictions, most of these people are jsut trying to maintain they jobs and keep themselves in legal status
what would you have Apple do? should they hire the best non-citizen or a mediocre citizen for same job?
But aren’t qualified immigrants future Americans? I thought that’s what immigrants mean 😂
Each western country has advantages and disadvantages. It depends on personal choice. One of my fiend told me one that France is the greatest country in the world, as long as you work in America. I completely agree!
Tech companies want to keep workers on H1B visas bc they can treat them like slaves. That said, there is plenty of US talent available to apply for openings, but tech companies lobby for more immigrant quotas so they can keep salaries down across the board. Colleges make more money from foreign students so they often take in more than local students. There used to be a program in the 70s like the one they have in Israel to train students in co-op type roles so they have experience when they graduate and can contribute immediately to productivity. Arguments can be made on both sides of this issue.
Yeah, im a citizen with a stem background, and I haven't experienced this worker shortage. It feels like they're getting rid of people tbh
Tbh the tech workers in US are far lazier than India, so the companies prefer to either send the job to India or higher an immigrant. Also tech companies will soon be exiting Europe cause they are super unproductive
I am not sure which company treats them like slaves, but in the few companies I work for, H1B get paid as much if they are full-time. (contractor costs a lot more, and it does matter where they are from since you are paying the agency). Also, H1B turns into a green card really quick...is actually pretty hard to find a qualified person H1B or citizen, even if they exist is hard to find them, and you right about training, corporations don't really train them anymore you need to at least have 3-5 year experience to have a chance
I’ve worked in tech for 15+ years on the hiring side as well. There is plenty of local talent, especially if a company is open to remote workers. The H1B visa holders I worked alongside did make the same salary as citizens. The point I made about salaries being lower across the board is simply the laws of supply and demand. The less talent there is to fill a spot, the higher the salary you have to offer to attract talent to move from their current gig. That is why big corps like Microsoft lobby like crazy to get more quotas. They want to keep costs down. They also know the H1B visa holders are incentivized to stay with the company and will often work longer hours out of fear of being let go and deported.
Were I work, a Fortune 20, we pay H-1B workers the same as US workers and we've lost employees who move to Canada. If you're from India the difference between living in the US and Canada can be minimal.
Hi, it's me! A highly skilled worker from EU who has lived in the US for over 11 years, got my BA and MS in the US, and got laid off in October. Now, I am on day 40 out of 60. Wish me luck!
Just go back home or go to one of the 30 other countries you can freely live & work in. I'd never in a million years let myself go through that type of stress
I live in Ohio and the Chase tech workers and the a Huntington bank tech workers make less than $100k/year. You might deny it, but my friends have been replaced by foreigners and had to train them or get fired immediately.
These are different H1B workers, Banks outsource to Indian companies and those companies bring in cheap H1B labor. These folks already have an H1B. The video is more about foreigners who are graduates from US universities who get paid same as Americans in most cases.
Usually h1bs do not take less than 100k. It is a much lesser salary compared to what they can make in India. Unless they make 150k they can't survive with the constant documentation hassle.
@@ananddumbre8304 salaries are lower in Canada across the board ( 30% lower take home pay while taking health care insurance premiums into account) . Also housing is double the cost in Canada and healthcare is terrible ( expect to wait 6-12 hours for a doctor unless you are on the verge of dying). In 2023, Canada is much poorer than USA unfortunately.
Canadians are leaving in droves because they are sick of being debt slaves . People are still immigrating to Canada because it’s still better than Philippines, India, Haiti and other miserable countries but it is not a top immigration destination as it used to be. This video is not realistic.
@@uruppadi4606 I went to a Salesforce developer meetup here in Columbus Ohio. H1B developers from Huntington, who were very qualified, said “You can get over $100k per year if you get the Technical Architect certificate.”
If you get that cert, you can make $200k+. I feel bad they get taken advantage of .
It's basic economics rules - you either have easy mass migration of quilified tech people like in Canada or high salaries like in US, you can't have both. Why would anyone pay thousands of dollars for a degree in the US if a random migrant could take their job having university degree for free from ther home country? It is simply not fair
While I can understand the downsides of the H1-B visa program, it's extremely problematic for other countries to lose their top talent purely because of an economic gradient.
Trust me their countries aren't loosing anything.
their countries are behind for a reason.
Talents can only perform and be efficient only in the first world.
Brain drain
Exactly. Developing countries pay to educate talented people, the US sucks them up, without compensation. It's one of the many ways the US stifles the developing world, for its own economic benefit.
It is not purely economical. The country (India) is because the urban centers are under heavy pressure from domineering, populous rural people who do not share the progressive outlook as in urban areas. The existing city dwellers (who do not control resources), need to find places where their children can prosper without being subject to the stresses driven by the masses, who have little regard for the progressive ideas. There is a reason why Indian immigrants are called model minority. That is because the ones who migrated are from respectable families who were well-educated, cultured and sought better quality of life (and had nothing to lose in their home country) trading their technical / entrepreneurial talent. Yeah. It is brain-drain but inevitable.
@@sriharshacv7760 no one calls them a model minority except for Indians themselves
It is always good to have some competition and Canada looks good from European tech workers perspective as well. They are happily letting immigrants with engineering background to join their society
Canada will drop it once those tech workers can vote. Indian migrants overwhelmingly vote one way, and it's not in favor of the current Canadian Party in power.
Do you know what party they vote for? @@KevinSmith-qi5yn
Migrants might, but do their kids?
Many comments say that salaries in Canada are lower and taxes are higher than the US, but in the UK, the situation is much bleaker. Salaries are lower, and taxes are higher.
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I also moved from the US to Canada, although for permanent residence rather than a work permit. Everywhere I look, there are signs that an infrastructure designed for 15 million people are being pushed to the limits, trying to accommodate a population thrice the size. While Canada is immeasurably more generous to legal immigrants, the same immigration procedure that takes a month in the US is expected to take a year in Canada due to backlogs.
"Canada is immeasurably more generous to legal immigrants" cuz nobody wants to go there.
They accept and even sponsor those with tertiary education degree, but they never do the same for those with highschool education...
Yesterday, Google announced more layoffs in the US, and we already have a big tech surplus at the moment.
I moved from the USA to Canada last year and my salary got cut in half. Living in Vancouver costs a lot more with higher taxes, and I can't save much. Even though I like Vancouver more than Seattle and it's easier to stay here, the low salaries and lack of job options make it seem not worth it.
So, I'm thinking of going back to the USA next year.
But in Seattle you are close to Vancouver. And Whistler!
And Vancouver has exciting Asian culture that I like. A very multicultural city!
I wish the video would have included the fact that many US companies abused the H1B program by replacing American workers with lower paid workers from that program. H1B is only supposed to be used to fill jobs that qualified US workers are not available for, but I personally have been involved in situations where US companies have laid of US workers and replaced them with cheaper H1B workers with the same qualifications. I do think the US can benefit from welcoming highly skilled immigrants but it should not be a way for some companies to increase their profits at the expense of US citizens.
True words
Preach!
Microsoft is the master of this. They have wiped out entire office buildings of US workers with layoffs they backfilled with H1b hires with dubious skills but lower salaries or with H1b hires provided by Cognizant of the same caliber. I know dozens of actual highly-skilled unemployed workers Microsoft let go. Microsoft is no longer a company you can get help from since they have "digitally transformed" their workforce into a hidden mob that is not trusted with being customer facing.
THIS!!
Exactly. I've seen entire IT departments (mostly American workers) COMPLETELY replaced by H-1Bs from companies like Cognizant. This is supposed to be illegal but in realty these laws are almost never enforced.
I met so many Canadians studying and working in the US, and I'm yet to meet anyone who is even thinking about moving to Canada. . Is this a joke?
Literally
This is only applicable to Indian/ Chinese H1B workers
im Canadian looking at American schools rn
@@ryan6766 go for it, you'll have a much better time than us Indians
Tech Jobs pay a lot less in Canada. Housing is very expensive in Canada, Taxes are high im Canada. The most talented tech workers in Canada are trying to get into USA to live a better life.
US tech companies would rather pay lower wages to people from India than pay higher wages to US or Canadian citizens.
@@silvermine2033 that is also true
This headline is giving of some middle school ‘she stole my boyfriend’ vibes. Sounds like these workers are choosing to leave for better treatment. The US doesn’t own these workers. Maybe the US could make more of an effort to create opportunities rather than put up barriers.
we are making an effort to tear down barriers to drug dealers at the southern border tho
"CTV News requested data from CGFNS, revealing 801 Canadian nurses applied to transfer their credentials to the U.S. in 2018, rising to more than 1,300 in 2019. The numbers dropped in the pandemic, hitting 947, but started rising again to almost 1,700 in 2022 with the year not out."
Hurts doesn't it? And those are just nurse numbers, not even including Doctors!!
Canada imports more nurses than it looses
US companies like H1-B because it allows them to pay less to American workers. I've worked with many great H1-B workers, but I'm not too worried about Canada taking all of the good talent while there are plenty of qualified US citizens looking for jobs.
My thoughts exactly.
Funny, in Canada there are constant headlines about losing tech workers to the US due to higher salaries there (often 50%+).
Yes CNBC has lots of Anti USA propaganda lately, and rosy pictures of Canada.
They are close to North Korea state TV.
I’ll just save you time, many high tech people have been going to Canada because the U.S. is to competitive. It’s hard to find a high tech job when there are very few spots to fill.
Which begs the question - if the US tech job market is so competitive, why do we need to keep importing more foreign workers every year? The only answer is that this immigration serves to depress wages for American citizens as well as immigrants already here in the US. It's corporate welfare at the expense of American workers.
They will face even more fierce competition in Canada. Canada is a much smaller economy with much less jobs available. That’s why a lot of highly skilled immigrants have to work at minimum wage jobs like driving Uber or working at Walmart in Canada.
@@Mister_Garibaldirally around in streets to stop admitting foreign students in colleges of USA, no money to College and no job, then no immigration
The main point is that Canada is just an alternate choice for people who can't get U.S. visas or don't want to risk having to leave the country if they become unemployed. The pay in Canada is lower while the taxes and cost of living are higher. Canadian weather is also undesirable for people from warm countries. Even Canadian tech workers are working in the United States.
*alternative
You get free healthcare though. Consider that in the costs.
@@Poomayne Canada's "free" healthcare doesn't do any good if you can't get a doctor's appointment before your condition becomes untreatable. They have assisted suicide too, so at least they planned for that.
Moving to Canada for Tech Jobs .. Are you kidding me?
Better than going to a literal prison disguised as "Land of the Free", what with the US enjoying 1+ mass shootings PER DAY, systemic dissolution of women's bodily autonomy, rampant racism, an entire political party hellbent on bringing the Third Reich straight to Capitol Hill, all the while believing that education, human rights, personal safety, freedom of association and the separation of church and state as WOKE
This is very curious considering Canada's high cost of living, weak Canadian dollar and wages in Canada being only 60% of US wages.
Are you kidding me? Canadians are running away from Canada because of crazy housing cost. A crappy house that would be 300k in U.S Cost over 1 million in TORONTO. A huge crash is coming
Yes, housing is currently very costly. But none of us go bankrupt because of a hospital bill..
Cope. No crush will come
@@simba8665 sounds like you're the one coping, history has proven time and time again that a housing bubble will cause an economic crash
@@VertilgenYea you only die waiting in the ER.
It really goes both ways
The H1B visas also lower pay for American tech workers. I’ve had coworkers that previously worked at Chase and had to train their H1B replacements before being let go.
Research and data shows that H1B workers are paid for than their counterpart US Citizens.
I am sorry but this simply is not true. Yes there have been instances where full time workers had to train H1B consultants (Consultants being the key word). The people who are full time workers get paid MANY MANY times more than an average US tech worker (Say Bachelor degree)
For example, in the silicon valley, H1B workers working for Apple, Google and Microsoft routinely make $500K. Does the average american tech worker make more than $500K?
H1B workers have to be paid an average salary based off of the their title n location. There is a government website for it.
Agreed. I graduated with a degree in information systems, born and raised in the states. Tried to get a position in my company at the time, I was told there was no opportunity. One year later the whole US born Systems team was replaced by H1B immigrants from Lebanon and India. Just like how they did Disney workers. Shame to hear it happened at Chase too.
@@yrheuw9515 you are being very dishonest here. You know very well there is a BIG difference between some of the big tech companies and the likes of Cognizant, Infosys, Wipro, etc. who soak up most of the visas. Yet you defend these vermin anyway, which makes you vermin too.
if the person who goes to the us for master's,they get 5 year visa right?what is this about the 2 month grace period on h1b?is the 5year visa called h1 b?
My wife and I are both American citizens. We are looking at our options of best countries for us to move to. Canada is on the current list.
As a 49 year old Canadian, I would trade you my citizenship without a second's hesitation to be an American. Canada has no future.
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The us goal should be investing in the stem programs here.
As a Canadian another headline can be "Canada tech companies losing talent to American tech"
Saw the title and for a second thought it was a Johnny Harris video. Then noticed the title was not the US, but Canada "stealing" something and realized it couldn't be his video lol
As a Canadian Energy worker, how do I leave Canada and move to the United States??
Stealing is as if something belongs to you, tech workers don’t not belong to anyone.
Well that's a way of getting the amount of people from a single country under control.
It makes it more fair for all the countries with less population
Yes the foreign people that couldn't secure a visa go to Canada, but homegrown Canadian talents are fleeting to the US at an even faster rate... Canada will always be second choice and all the people I know that came from the US came here because they have no other choice, many have gone back after they got Canadian citizenship since the visa experience is much easier then and the pay and cost of living is much better in the US.
8:19 TIL Raleigh-Durham is on the border of western VA and WV 😂
As someone who lives in the SF Bay Area, I've actually seen billboards on the freeway advertising Canadian immigration for tech workers, so seeing the title for this video made me chuckle lol
Keep in mind you won’t get paid nearly as much, you’ll loose more to taxes and you’ll need to find expensive housing in the GTA
Canadian immigration system is a fraud.
What tech though? Canada doesn't have a tech industry. Shopify is literally the only Canadian tech company I can think of. And it's ranked like 50th in the world.
@Dontworry1
At the same time, meds are free (at point of sale), and protection is provided by American taxpayers
@@Demopans5990 Dude, Canada is not a livable country. The average rent price is more than the salary. For a better quality of life try western European countries.
A lot fo the Visas are not for high skilled workers for the US, also it takes much longer than Canada.
I have met countless folks in last 6 months in tech that studied in Canadian universities with very good overseas experience struggle for years can't find a tech job regardless what salary they want, they would take any number because they are hopeless but still struggle, in fact recruiters hire in our company people from overseas and do all migration papers (LIMIA) and bring them to Canada in high tech positions while can't even give Canadians or PRs chance to get an interview they filter out resumes and says there is no qualified Canadians or PR holders or any one with open work permit in Canada
I think because the bonus to hire from outside is way huge
All the big tech companies are actually major advertising firms, their primary revenue being from ad sales, so their layoffs naturally followed advertising industry outlook.
So Canada is a holding ground for tech workers that can’t get a visa to work in the US.
Given the option Canada is always second choice. Canada is close enough to the US culturally the same and safe.
I’m going to give you a real life example.
During the Trump administration around the time of the travel ban from certain countries there were a bunch of changes made to the visa programs that basically stalled the renewal of H1b visas. This wasn’t widely reported on. At that time I had a bunch of colleagues who took the immigration test to Canada as a backup incase they needed to leave the US.
After the travel ban had past and H1B visa renewals resumed, I asked my colleagues if they proceeded with the Canadian immigration application and they told me they didn’t and it was just a backup.
It's more of a loophole because the H1B tech workers are unable to win the lottery pick of residency due to the high volume of Indian applicants (a single Indian applicant will apply more than once to steal a spot or increase their chances to be chosen over other European, East/South-East Asian, African counterparts), which is bottlenecking and causing a crazy backlog into the system. They'll work in Canada for a holding ground until they obtain a Canadian permanent residency there, and then move to the US. The goal is to stay in the West (most of the time USA) because India is a sh💩thole country. So they will go through the means of fraud or find legal routes to hop around.
Not a second choice. Just the easy way
You do know that a tech worker that makes $300,000 in America only earns $90,000 in Canada? Canada pays only 1/3 as much to their tech workers, but housing in Canada is 2X more expensive.
The average tech job in the US pays $120,000 as said in this video
I can see this. I went to Ottawa/Kanata Canada for communications training at the Alcatel facility.
While in Ottawa I stayed at the Westin Hotel (Most comfortable mattress I’ve ever slept on in my life).
I fought for a room with a view of the parliament buildings. So during the trucker protest it was easy to envision all the goings on.
We talked about taxes with the trainer and she said that she was fine with knowing that if she makes 100,000 a year she’s going to bring 50,000 home.
Didn't apple just paid $25 file for posting jobs and making it hard for americans to find it, while favoring H1bs
In what imaginary world?
Glad someone is talking about the pain millions have been experiencing for decades. Thank you!
Please make a video on how Starbucks is struggling in Brazil, it would be really interesting
H1Bs applied for Canadian PRs is more like an insurance in case they are laid off or to work from border cities etc. It is impossible to beat the salary difference especially with exchange rate considered. This report should check how many really moved to Canada from US vs how many just applied for Canadian visas.
The video did answer that question - 6,000 out of the 10,000 slots have already moved to Canada. if you in the US and can't get a job in 60-days you're done, so you have no choice. Even for US citizens in tech, it can easily take 6-12 months to find an equivalent tech job. It's brutal now with tech.
@NYCisland It is extreme brutal in Canada. There is at least 500 overqualified applicants applying for every tech job:-)
Also it seems they have considered people coming to Canada for just stamping PR under the moved category. Then there are many cases where people moved but returned to US in few weeks or months after seeing the reality. I am yet to see someone with a valid H1 settled in Canada after leaving their job in US. The business case just doesn't make sense unless it is for personal reasons.
I think this should also include how many people from 6000 Canadian work permit holders out of 10000 were able to land jobs in there field of study. I am sure the percentage is very low as there are not much tech jobs in the canada like US.
Born & raised in the USA & my Canadian friends that immigrated to the USA permanently (employment & homes) are so happy & never want to go back to Canada.
Should have added subtitles for the immigrant workers as their words are sometimes difficult to understand as non-native English speakers. Would also have been nice if the piece had presented more data like a summary of the historical cap vs year over the span of the program thus far and some context about the numbers of open positions in the US that H1B candidates could be filling if the cap were raised. More information about the green card processing backlog would also have been helpful, as solving this could help create more room in the H1B program to bring more skilled workers directly into the US economy. Full disclosure: I started in the US on a TN visa from Canada in 2000, upgraded to H1B and eventually naturalized via marriage, so I have experience with the US Immigration system.
I mean yeah... if the labor pool in tech is shrinking the first to go should logically be the foreign visa holders. The entire justification for that visa is to bring in foreign labor for a local skilled-labor shortfall.
US tech layoffs makes up a lot of the volatility in todays unemployment due to the massive layoffs that took place. Immigrants shouldn’t be the “answer” to those roles if we’re trying to get people employed again. Other countries should be diversifying and attracting some of these talents. I understand the mindset of get the best candidate but it’s also the cheaper option which has long term effects for us Americans. We need to stop trying to be the answer for other countries.
I'm honestly shocked not one person has talked about the significant cost of education in the U.S. and the way H1B visa's put American educated individuals at a massive disadvantage. This is due to high debt coming out of college in comparison to other countries. Other countries where they have some combination of low cost education, subsidized education or outright pay for their citizen's education. They then come to the U.S. and compete with U.S. students in the labor market with three massive benefits. They will have higher wages relative to countries with low cost education, lower taxes relative to countries which either subsidize or outright pay for their citizen's education and most importantly significantly lower educational debt if any. Companies love this as they get workers who will work for less, have forced loyalty due to the H1B visa program and a way to tamp down wages for U.S. citizens who had to fund their own education at record high cost.
I see your point. But they also incur settlement costs given that most don't own anything yet in the states. Their process of landing a job also takes longer because of the probation period. It's really a matter of "difference in waiting time." I think the immigrants will always be ~ 10 years behind the opportunities that an American-born resident gets. So stay competitive, they catchup really late.
It's not really about country's systems. Many of these well-educated immigrants in the US have parents in China/India etc. paying for it. US universities take huge amounts of money to basically educate and put kids in the immigration pipeline.
As a Canadian this is hilarious because we lose a bunch of people to the states every year lmaooo. Where one person relocates, another person leaves. The grass is really greener where you water it
H1b to green card immigration for high skilled tech workers like me from India is more than 50 years. You cannot leave the country for long periods during this process even to see your old parents. We have to go-to stamp the h1b visa every three years which takes months to get an appointment. We cannot work on any other job apart from the field in which you get your job. After spending 10 years in the US with 2 masters degrees in CS and CE and working as an engineer at Amazon , I finally left for Canada this year since I do not want to be a slave with the H1b visa system. And yes we pay social security tax , Medicare and all the federal taxes without any benefits after even 10 years. Hence Canada >> US
I am in a same boat. Great move!!
Goodbye, we wont miss ya
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Were you not aware when you got an H-1B that is is specifically stated to be a NON-IMMIGRANT visa?
@@Mister_Garibaldi it is a non-immigrant visa with the intention of having permanent residency which is different from other visas
While it's great that Canada is getting more skilled people in the country, but we also have to fix hour housing crisis because it's so difficult to afford rent here... it'll make immigrants and canadian citizen lives so much less stressful if we didn't have to spend thousands of dollars for a small apartment room.
I'm planning to move to Canada because of the 134 year queue, currently on H1-B.
I'm one of them ... my start up is going to be the leading extended reality advanced tech company. MSc graduate. paving the way AI - XR in Canada left USA and never leaving CANADA
Canada is never the first choice for tech workers.
After US many would prefer to be in UK, Singapore or Australia. However, someone who has lived in US when waits for decades to get greencard and have lived majority of their adult life trying to have a stable life with family, they are forced to move to Canada to get quick PR and Canadian Citizenship. This allows them to now work in US on T1 visa. These same folks if were given Greencard in the decade they lived, these people will never move to Canada.
Canada taxation is high, winters (6months) are harsh for many immigrants, recent conflicts in Canada with hostility for Indians (most tech workers who consider Canada) and not many tech companies as compared to in US, these immigrants do not prefer to move to Canada but are forced due to risk of losing everything if they lose jobs and visa sponsorship.
If US fixes their Greencard backlog, this brain drain wont happen.
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But yet people from India keep coming to Canada to go to school and reside, clearly the winters are not that harsh and long at least in Southern Ontario and coastal British Columbia Canada if people from tropical climates are going to Canada for school an or permanent residency and living in Canadian cities. P.S most tech workers who consider Canada are either East/Southeast Asian or European, most people from India cannot be technology workers because the vast majority do not have the intelligence.
Most US based multinational companies have locations in Canada and can retain US workers who are unable to renew their visas. The company can have the worker apply for a Canada based role and then relocate to Canada.
But they will pay taxes in Canada 🇨🇦 not US