For Machamp's differences, it's speculated that originally the trade evolution would only trigger if a Machoke was traded with a Graveler, and their genetic data got mingled during the trade, which explains the four arms and Golem having a Machoke-like face
On Magnemite: I think it's pretty clear that they are made of steel in Gen 1. Steel doesn't exist as a mechanic, so the game doesn't state that they are steel; that doesn't mean they AREN'T steel. It's just information that is omitted.
My theory for Voltorb is they were originally a plant species from the Hisui region, most likely related to apricorns. Once humans began using apricorns to make Poké Balls, Voltorb's predators likely mistook it for a Poké Ball, and stayed away out of fear of capture. This likely caused Voltorb's numbers to skyrocket as Poké Balls became more and more common, allowing them to spread to other regions. As the design of Poké Balls began to change over time, Voltorb likely came to resemble newer versions of it, and eventually lost its plant properties as they were no longer required. Being an Electric type and losing the ability to photosynthesize, it probably stays around power plants to feed on their electricity.
The pokedex does say this of Pikachu: > When several of these Pokémon gather, their electricity could build and cause lightning storms. My hypothesis is that they built the power plant to capture the massive amount of ambient electrical power from the Pikachu, but over time the power plant attracted more powerful and more importantly more ecologically fit Magnemite. One hypothesis on Magnemites is that they are descendents of alien Magneton from another planet that got lost and stranded on the planet. Also, with Zapdos I'd like to refer to a conjecture I left on your last video: Strong Pokemon would not likely live near human settlements in great numbers. This includes legendaries. To quote myself: > "Pokemon tend to be more powerful in regions untouched by human civilization; ergo the presence of humans causes Pokemon to be more docile than normal. Weak Pokemon can thrive off of the benefits of human proximity such as food, Pokemon Centers, and Strong Pokemon might endanger humans, which would cause them to be eliminated by strong trainers". On top of this, Pokemon strong enough to defeat strong trainers would be left alone by human society in the first place. Therefore, of the Zapdos that exist in the world, very few even get close enough to human territories to even be caught by trainers.
leech life is literally just "suck blood" in japanese, fun fact also, i find it worth noting that zubat's dex entries mentions its use of echolocation, but that's dropped in the dex entries for its evolutions. which makes me think zubat _does_ have eye cavities, but they're covered by a layer of flesh, perhaps a semi-fused but not translucent eyelid. there _are_ eyes in those sealed cavities, but they're still developing and highly sensitive to light, as they would need to be for it to rely on excellent nightvision as much as it does echolocation once it becomes golbat and eventually crobat. it makes a fair amount of sense that being late to develop eyes to a functional state would not be that much of a negative trait, to boot; zubat are clearly able to prosper very well in environments well-suited to their echolocation while opportunistically stealing some blood from sleeping or dazed prey, so losing out on sight wouldn't be much of a disadvantage. meanwhile, the visual acuity granted by the lengthy ocular development would be a _lot_ more appreciated by golbat and its far more gluttonous appetite, which would mean targeting much bigger prey and possibly engaging them in outright combat to exhaust or kill 'em, so that golbat could gorge itself without consequence
I like to think Magnemite is an invasive species which is drawn to strong magnetism like you'd find in generators. It needs raw iron from metal ore deposits or metal sands to reproduce, and likely would use the metal from the power plant to do this, quickly making itself a nuisance and possibly making operation of the plant dangerous. Incidentally, Ditto carries metal powder, so it may produce or pick up extra metal which it can use to make magnemite reproduce. Voltorb seems like the ideal counter to Magnemite, maybe introduced by humans to eradicate the local magnemite population. Voltorb is electric so it counters magnemite's electric attacks and can also have soundproof to negate supersonic and possibly also the sonicboom of other voltorbs. Notably, sonicboom consistently does 20 damage to opposing pokemon, so it allows voltorb to get around magnemite's steel type resistance to the other moves in voltorb's move pool.
Just wanted to say that I hope you continue this series. I imagine it’s a lot of work and probably isn’t getting great returns but it’s incredibly interesting stuff and you’re a great talker and thinker. I’d love to hear similar long-form content/analysis from you.
I speculate that Machoke and Machamp somehow create their belts and pants from nearby materials, such as other Pokemon's furs or skin, as well as rare minerals which they could get from the rocky locations they're in. They probably create them as you said for the sake of attracting mates. It also indicates that they have intelligence as high if not higher than typical real life primates, maybe acting as a kind of "missing link" or being somewhere below the homo erectus-neanthertal lines.
Love a good Occam's Razor and I agree that there are multiple of a good deal of legendary Pokemon, but also I'm pretty sure 3 of the 4 "assumptions" you'd have to accept for multiverse theory to be plausible are outright stated, or at least very strongly implied, in Pokemon canon.
im defenitely supporting the steelix theory as in other regions there are places where steelix naturally live maybe rock tunnel just doesnt have enough metal to form a steelix but at the same time the enviroment isnt threatening enough to force onix to aim for enhancement or the fighting types are so dominant that the onix dont live long enough to develop the metal shell
Great Video! Just wanna make a few points. - your idea that Voltorb is an invasive species is actually pretty heavily supported by the existence of hisuian voltorb, the Sinnoh region is probably it's natural habitat. Begs the question how it lost the grass type, but I imagine that happened long before they were brought to Kanto. - I don't think you can actually discard the multiverse but I also don't think it matters at all for gen 1 since you can disprove the idea that legendary pokemon are unique individuals with the fact that galarian variants exist.
to be fair, the galarian variants are _canonically_ not actually variants, but actually completely different species that are named as if they were variants because ... that's what people thought they were, originally. sorta like the prototype versions of wiglett and toedscool, but since the kantonian legendary birds and the galarian legendary birds are ... well, all legendary birds, their false nomenclature had a far easier time sticking this does not actually matter for disproving the legendary birds as unique, though, as let's go just. lets the birds spawn as rare spawns after you've gone through their scripted encounters. which isn't just a let's go-ism, because mewtwo _is_ one of a kind. the birds, though? eh, you can find 'em flying over route 1 if you're lucky enough
I think machoke's belt might be removable and the "machoke is unstoppable without it's belt" entry might just refer to the fact that beltless machokes are more aggressive since they're unable to intimidate rivals or attract mates properly.
So for Magnamite, maybe this is dumb but could also just be the player character doesn't know about the Steel type so it doesn't show, and obviously gameplay isn't the same as lore. But more seriously on Legendaries, it would depend on which Pokémon we are talking about. The birds should clearly not be truly unique unique, but other Pokémon like Xerneas or Yveltal have to be unique because it'd be really clear if they weren't.
I'm absolutely loving this series I have a thought that Rattata's abilities Run away & Guts both Give it an edge against Ekans when competing for food, Run away helps them escape Ekans even if they're out sped Guts will turn Ekans's poison sting against them, making it dangerous for Ekans to pursue Rattata, the Rattata can fend off the Ekans easily and snag a Spearow egg faster.
Really fun video! In depth, scientific, and ecological analysis of Pokemon is not a thing I thought I needed, but now I wonder where you have been all my life! And as horrifying as vampire magnamite is, it is exponentially more unsettling when you think about its move-set. In Gen 3, 9 of its 11 moves either have a chance for status change (confusion or paralyze), lowering of Def and SpDef, and honing (hitting highly mobile targets). So magnamite's likely manner of hunting is to Lock On to its target, Paralyze or Confuse it so that it cannot flee, and Screech at it to lower the prey's defense thus making it easier for the proboscis to enter the subject. So the prey is alive, conscious, and unable to react to being drained until it is either dead or the magnamite is satiated! That is the stuff of nightmares...
And thus, I'm caught up with this series. Eagerly awaiting the next one, this is very good! Maybe I'm thinking a bit too far ahead, but it would be interesting to see these for the other regions as well. Though that might be significantly harder. This series makes me believe the developers put at least some thought into the ecology of Pokemon, given how well a lot of it seems to fit, but I imagine they started caring less and less as the generations went on. And besides, I imagine you'll want to take a break after finishing this series, whenever that may be
Longtime enjoyer of this series. I hope one day you can return to it, because the examinations you make about the Pokémon world are so interesting and genuinely fascinating, and i'd love to see more one day.
Man I love this series. Though I'll need a rewatch before I watch this one. I'm with the others though Machamp and Golem were clearly designed around Machoke and Graveler being traded together. Whether that means they initially planned to have those evos exclusive to that trade or not is another question.
by crossing game info and with (a lot of) extrapolation voltorb's mimic properties can actually make sense, we know from legends arceus all pokemon can minimize, now if we assume items are stored in minimizing capsules shaped like poké-balls, then a minimized voltorb can easily be confused for an item capsule it handily also justifies bag space lol
Great video as always. Regarding Machamp, I think trade evolutions could be better explained as two factors: Migration and human intervention. They're not naturally occurring, and the body of Machamp looks closer to a bodybuilder than even his pre-evolutions. This means that they are the result of humans trying to boost their prowess way beyond their natural capabilities, specially in this case since he's a fighting type. And changing trainers might help as a new environment might imply a different need to adapt.
On Voltorb and its lack of electrical abilities: I've always interpreted its ability to self-destruct as it overloading its ability to generate electricity. The explosion isn't an electric attack, but the ability to generate electricity is needed to trigger it, in Voltorb's case.
What if there use to be a ferry of sort that would left workers go from the Pokémon center to the power plant. They do have a fence w. A open spot to “dock” 😉 Also I always thought that the ceiling fell in sun places of the power plant n that’s how Zapados gets in n out. I doubt it uses the doors. Lol
Thank you for creating such an insightful look at the ecology of the Kanto region! I wanted to ask if you’d mind if I used your ideas on Pokemon ecology in a fic I’m making? I will of course state where it came from and provide a link for people that would like to see more of your vids! Thanks again for the great video!
what if magnemite doesnt eat food to get its metabolism going and can use the electric fields around them to power themselves like a motor since actual in motors and generator the housing and the actual spinny bit are only attached to keep the close and keep it from falling out which magnetmite could just sit still and if magemite was able to live off the magnetism from the planet then a generator would likely be enough to keep them going easily and may over power them leading to magneton.
I just found this series an im so glad I did. Can’t wait for the next one. I know it is somewhat irrelevant to analyzing Kanto solely but I’d like to hear your thoughts on crobat
Someone's probably already told you, but the iron in blood isn't magnetic. The explanation is a bit complicated but, as I understand it, it boils down to the individual iron atoms being fully encased by other elements
And also the fact that apart from whatever iron might be in someone's blood as part of their diet, hemoglobin is only in red blood cells which are only barely half of the content of blood
personally I think alternate unvierses are real just based on later games but I do agree their should be multiple birds. While I think its possible theirs only 1 of a few of the big legendaries I like to believe a lot of them are just rare species. I kinda wish their was a seperate name for like the actual god practically 1 of the kind legendaries and just the really strong rare guys like the birds. Could even throw a couple of rarer currently normal pokemon in that 2nd group
Machamps beak can also b a breeding by product. I mean if all of a sudden a machok got a beak that would make him more threading when he’s close doing his hand to hand he can peck your eyes out or your face. Seems like an advantage that breeders wanted. I also would like to mention how is humans bred dogs n got a verity so maybe same went on w. The machok line.
I know that you don't like to take the pokedex entries as a fact but i think the whole theory that magnemite actually absorbs electricity is valid, because in the ruby pokedex entry it says that they attach themselves to power lines to feed on and if you have an outage if you check into the breaker box they're propably there.This to me is more of an observation than a stupid theory like the raticate one because i don't think that was a coincidence.But i do believe that magnemite are alive and not mechanical because they seem robotic not that they actually are, so i think they absorb electricity and metabolize it like photosynthesis.Also i think because they are magnetic they look robotic because they literally pulled small metallic atoms and they made like a outer shell type of thing.And lastly because this comment is too long, i believe magnemite pray on voltorb like this they provoke them to explode voltorb faint and then magnemite drains they're electricity from their bodies and when electrodes wake up they are discharged and weakened so they become easy pray.
A lot of animals are born blind and with eyes closed so maybe zubat just has them closed n relies mostly on their super sonic abilities to get around but once they grow up n evolve their eyes open n bam more effective hunters hence y they turn into crobat
Would the berries absorb what they cure or just cancel it out? Like say a poison cure berry aka Pecha Berry gets eaten would the poison be drawn to the pieces of the food n then rendering it inert n thus curing the creature OR when it gets eaten does it release some chemicals or proteins that cancel the poison (like two sound waves canceling out) I say this bc there is a “hot berry” the tomato berry that is super spicy what if Pokémon who ate it got fire powers from it. Or immunity from it. There’s also infinity energy to think of. Lol
But wait, couldn't Magnemite absorb metal (like iron or copper) FROM the Power Plant? I mean, Vampire Magnemite is AWESOME, but by magnet pull they "absorb" metal into them
Also maybe magnemite eats electricity from its surroundings. Hear me out. What if the screw on the top is like an opening n the more it’s up or out the more it can absorb from the surrounding n when they don’t need to feed they can put the screw all the way dwn
The problem I have with using trading for there being more than one legendary is what about the pokemon that are God's are you that some others kid just so happen to find another arceus
With respect to the Pokemon in the power plant being used for power generation: There's at least some evidence from Gen II that Pokemon can be used to generate power without knowing any electric moves. Team Rocket uses 6 Electrode to power their transmitter, but Electrode doesn't learn any Electric moves in Gen II. They do (it I'm interpreting their moveset and level data correctly) have Selfdestruct, which is a little odd. Maybe the Rockets were able to contain damage and heal the occasional Selfdestruct easily. In Gen IV, these Electrodes do know Charge Beam(I think, it's been a while since i played the Gen IV remakes). But I think the Gen 2 case still shows it may not be required. Maybe some electric type Pokemon give off enough electric energy passively that moves aren't needed. The ability Static could be an example of this. Then again, the Rockets were just running one transmitter, as opposed to needing to run a full power plant to possibly power a whole city.
I feel like I can see them some legendary just being rare but not all of them creation, trio in the weather trio and the weapon duo you can make an argument for the weapon legendary definitely not the weather and the creation trios Others like that
You forgot to mention that Voltorbs line is also based on the Mimic. So maybe their mouths straight in the middle n that’s y there’s two colors. Also also maybe the red absorbs electricity from the sun or just from the surroundings n that’s y they don’t really move around much. (There would be a lot of static electricity in a power plant filled w. Electric magical creatures)
First off, trading between games is in fact trading between universes, where every game cartridge is confirmed to be a parallel world. OR/AS confirmed this beyond a shadow of a doubt with the Entralink mechanic (see Imgur album vWPuqrp for screenshots), as well as traded Pokémon coming with a message that they travelled across space and time, but hints have been around since G/S/C with the Time Capsule (yeah, casual intertimeline time travel tech in every pokécenter has been a thing in the games' canon since 1999). Now, this isn't necessarily evidence that the Legendaries are unique within each universe (we don't know how many Legendary Beasts Ho-oh created, for example, not to mention that there are at least two distinct Zapdos in the anime). The apparent inability to breed is merely evidence on an inability to breed in captivity for whatever reason (a real thing we have to deal with when protecting endangered species like cheetahs and pandas). Second, if anything the Pokédex undersells how powerful Pokémon are. In Sun/Moon, a simple Seismic Toss is shown to be 9% of light speed, for example. Anime episode 34 is particularly illustrative, however, with a school of Magikarp performing Splash, the move that "does nothing", where each contributed roughly the equivalent of 1000 tonnes of TNT, while evolving into Gyarados. Also, episode 33 shows that Pokémon can, for example, choose what their flames burn without any change of temperature, before anyone starts complaining about Magcargo again. Now, if Splash is that powerful, how many Electric types have a version of Volt Absorb for feeding that's just too weak to qualify as an actual Move? A lot of your dismissal of the Pokédex based on inconsistencies with the movelists and abilities presumes that everything of note has to rise to the level of a battle-worthy Move or Ability, and that's simply not valid.
He's already countered your first point in previous videos. These are his interpretations of the ludonarrative of Red/Blue/Yellow/FireRed/LeafGreen. Lore is only given any consideration when it's coming from the game itself- NPCs, pokedex entries etc. which aren't taken at face value because nobody in these games seem to genuinely understand much about pokemon at all, why can we be sure that the pokedex isn't filled with incorrect speculation? Retroactive continuity is given absolutely no consideration for obvious reasons. What is implied by the sprites, movesets, evolutions and locations of pokemon is more important to us than what the pokedex says about them. He's also mentioned that there is likely a lot of stuff within Kanto that just isn't seen, such as pokemon in-between stages of evolution. There was also his point that *if* paras(ect) was controlled by a parasite rather than having a symbiotic relationship with a fungus, we would likely see uninfected examples of the host pokemon. As well as that, he mentioned that even pidgey/ratatta encounter rates on route 1 did not necessarily imply that their distribution is identical. We find these pokemon going through grass, maybe there are a bunch of pidgeys in the trees that we just don't see, or maybe a small number of aggressive ratatta give us an impression of inflated numbers. So I don't think he'd take issue with the 'Pokemon can probably do stuff that isn't explicitly laid out in their moveset' idea. It's just that seeing something in their moveset is concrete evidence of an ability, and when it's not there, we can only speculate.
@@georgejpg I've seen the other videos. They counter these points a lot less than you'd think. I'll grant I had to pull a couple of specific examples from the anime, but really that's just to lend credence to taking what's said in-game at face value (and for that matter, I'm pretty sure there's stuff in-game I could have used to make those points, but those season 1 episodes are just what I've got memorized for when this subject comes up (which it does quite often)). And the games, manga, anime, and other media are all explicitly in the same multiverse (hell, levels are even a canon thing in the anime, or at least they were for the firs couple of episodes), so while I can accept the desire to concentrate on the games specifically, that doesn't mean key information from other media should be ignored completely. By the same token I could have talked about how in-between stages just aren't a thing anywhere in the canon, and the anime and manga explicitly prove this, but I wanted to avoid using evidence from the anime to make my points to the extent possible. Yes, there is a tacit acknowledgement elsewhere in this series that Pokemon do have abilities outside that which is shown mechanically. That's why I felt the need to point out the context around these phenomena that I did, because he clearly dismissed the possibility in this video despite being more accepting of it previously. It's inconsistent and disingenuous. Not that I realistically expect that level of rigour, because there's a fuckton to keep track of for months and years at a time and a lot that just needs speculation, but it's worth mentioning as a commenter so that others in the audience can interpret this series with a fuller awareness of its limitations. But most salient was the dismissal of the idea that trading is a inter-universal thing, when it's an explicit part of the mainline series game canon. Mind, we also regularly see intra-universal trading affect evolution (ie there's always some NPC in some Pokemon Center who wants to trade), so the speculation that the inter-universal nature of trading might be relevant was really weird. Point is, he got that bit (ie my first point that you say he already addressed) flatly wrong, and that needed correcting.
@@watcher314159 I'm not going to read through that if you can't understand that the purpose of this exercise is to exclusively use information from R/G/B/Y/FR/LG. The anime and manga are off the table, if they say they're part of the 'same multiverse' that's fine, but those games make no mention of that. If you prefer to use information from all pokemon media, good for you, but they are riddled with contradictions and retroactive continuity. Why would fans of the games and games alone want to go down that rabbit hole? R/G/B were never created with the intent to expand the world through manga and anime, and none of the people who created the world of those games had any significant involvement in spinoff media.
@@georgejpg you don't get to pretend we're ignoring all the world building post-R/G/B when we're already including FR/LG in the discussion. It's really not that strict.
@@watcher314159 We're ignoring the worldbuilding that wasn't done by the people who built the world in the first place. It's really not that confusing.
For Machamp's differences, it's speculated that originally the trade evolution would only trigger if a Machoke was traded with a Graveler, and their genetic data got mingled during the trade, which explains the four arms and Golem having a Machoke-like face
On Magnemite: I think it's pretty clear that they are made of steel in Gen 1. Steel doesn't exist as a mechanic, so the game doesn't state that they are steel; that doesn't mean they AREN'T steel. It's just information that is omitted.
My theory for Voltorb is they were originally a plant species from the Hisui region, most likely related to apricorns. Once humans began using apricorns to make Poké Balls, Voltorb's predators likely mistook it for a Poké Ball, and stayed away out of fear of capture. This likely caused Voltorb's numbers to skyrocket as Poké Balls became more and more common, allowing them to spread to other regions. As the design of Poké Balls began to change over time, Voltorb likely came to resemble newer versions of it, and eventually lost its plant properties as they were no longer required. Being an Electric type and losing the ability to photosynthesize, it probably stays around power plants to feed on their electricity.
Ngl I love these videos
The pokedex does say this of Pikachu:
> When several of these Pokémon gather, their electricity could build and cause lightning storms.
My hypothesis is that they built the power plant to capture the massive amount of ambient electrical power from the Pikachu, but over time the power plant attracted more powerful and more importantly more ecologically fit Magnemite.
One hypothesis on Magnemites is that they are descendents of alien Magneton from another planet that got lost and stranded on the planet.
Also, with Zapdos I'd like to refer to a conjecture I left on your last video: Strong Pokemon would not likely live near human settlements in great numbers. This includes legendaries. To quote myself:
> "Pokemon tend to be more powerful in regions untouched by human civilization; ergo the presence of humans causes Pokemon to be more docile than normal. Weak Pokemon can thrive off of the benefits of human proximity such as food, Pokemon Centers, and Strong Pokemon might endanger humans, which would cause them to be eliminated by strong trainers". On top of this, Pokemon strong enough to defeat strong trainers would be left alone by human society in the first place. Therefore, of the Zapdos that exist in the world, very few even get close enough to human territories to even be caught by trainers.
leech life is literally just "suck blood" in japanese, fun fact
also, i find it worth noting that zubat's dex entries mentions its use of echolocation, but that's dropped in the dex entries for its evolutions. which makes me think zubat _does_ have eye cavities, but they're covered by a layer of flesh, perhaps a semi-fused but not translucent eyelid. there _are_ eyes in those sealed cavities, but they're still developing and highly sensitive to light, as they would need to be for it to rely on excellent nightvision as much as it does echolocation once it becomes golbat and eventually crobat. it makes a fair amount of sense that being late to develop eyes to a functional state would not be that much of a negative trait, to boot; zubat are clearly able to prosper very well in environments well-suited to their echolocation while opportunistically stealing some blood from sleeping or dazed prey, so losing out on sight wouldn't be much of a disadvantage. meanwhile, the visual acuity granted by the lengthy ocular development would be a _lot_ more appreciated by golbat and its far more gluttonous appetite, which would mean targeting much bigger prey and possibly engaging them in outright combat to exhaust or kill 'em, so that golbat could gorge itself without consequence
I like to think Magnemite is an invasive species which is drawn to strong magnetism like you'd find in generators. It needs raw iron from metal ore deposits or metal sands to reproduce, and likely would use the metal from the power plant to do this, quickly making itself a nuisance and possibly making operation of the plant dangerous. Incidentally, Ditto carries metal powder, so it may produce or pick up extra metal which it can use to make magnemite reproduce.
Voltorb seems like the ideal counter to Magnemite, maybe introduced by humans to eradicate the local magnemite population. Voltorb is electric so it counters magnemite's electric attacks and can also have soundproof to negate supersonic and possibly also the sonicboom of other voltorbs. Notably, sonicboom consistently does 20 damage to opposing pokemon, so it allows voltorb to get around magnemite's steel type resistance to the other moves in voltorb's move pool.
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Just wanted to say that I hope you continue this series. I imagine it’s a lot of work and probably isn’t getting great returns but it’s incredibly interesting stuff and you’re a great talker and thinker. I’d love to hear similar long-form content/analysis from you.
Me: I hope there's an interesting explanation for the power plant Pokemon
Magnemite: "Wanna see me drink this guy?"
I speculate that Machoke and Machamp somehow create their belts and pants from nearby materials, such as other Pokemon's furs or skin, as well as rare minerals which they could get from the rocky locations they're in. They probably create them as you said for the sake of attracting mates. It also indicates that they have intelligence as high if not higher than typical real life primates, maybe acting as a kind of "missing link" or being somewhere below the homo erectus-neanthertal lines.
Love a good Occam's Razor and I agree that there are multiple of a good deal of legendary Pokemon, but also I'm pretty sure 3 of the 4 "assumptions" you'd have to accept for multiverse theory to be plausible are outright stated, or at least very strongly implied, in Pokemon canon.
This series is so wonderful
im defenitely supporting the steelix theory as in other regions there are places where steelix naturally live
maybe rock tunnel just doesnt have enough metal to form a steelix but at the same time the enviroment isnt threatening enough to force onix to aim for enhancement or the fighting types are so dominant that the onix dont live long enough to develop the metal shell
This series is absolutely amazing and i really hope youll be able to continue it soon as its unique, informative, and extremely entertaining
Great Video! Just wanna make a few points.
- your idea that Voltorb is an invasive species is actually pretty heavily supported by the existence of hisuian voltorb, the Sinnoh region is probably it's natural habitat. Begs the question how it lost the grass type, but I imagine that happened long before they were brought to Kanto.
- I don't think you can actually discard the multiverse but I also don't think it matters at all for gen 1 since you can disprove the idea that legendary pokemon are unique individuals with the fact that galarian variants exist.
to be fair, the galarian variants are _canonically_ not actually variants, but actually completely different species that are named as if they were variants because ... that's what people thought they were, originally. sorta like the prototype versions of wiglett and toedscool, but since the kantonian legendary birds and the galarian legendary birds are ... well, all legendary birds, their false nomenclature had a far easier time sticking
this does not actually matter for disproving the legendary birds as unique, though, as let's go just. lets the birds spawn as rare spawns after you've gone through their scripted encounters. which isn't just a let's go-ism, because mewtwo _is_ one of a kind. the birds, though? eh, you can find 'em flying over route 1 if you're lucky enough
I think machoke's belt might be removable and the "machoke is unstoppable without it's belt" entry might just refer to the fact that beltless machokes are more aggressive since they're unable to intimidate rivals or attract mates properly.
So for Magnamite, maybe this is dumb but could also just be the player character doesn't know about the Steel type so it doesn't show, and obviously gameplay isn't the same as lore.
But more seriously on Legendaries, it would depend on which Pokémon we are talking about. The birds should clearly not be truly unique unique, but other Pokémon like Xerneas or Yveltal have to be unique because it'd be really clear if they weren't.
This series is absolutely incredible. Looking forward to the next video.
I'm absolutely loving this series
I have a thought that Rattata's abilities Run away & Guts both Give it an edge against Ekans when competing for food, Run away helps them escape Ekans even if they're out sped
Guts will turn Ekans's poison sting against them, making it dangerous for Ekans to pursue Rattata, the Rattata can fend off the Ekans easily and snag a Spearow egg faster.
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Really fun video! In depth, scientific, and ecological analysis of Pokemon is not a thing I thought I needed, but now I wonder where you have been all my life!
And as horrifying as vampire magnamite is, it is exponentially more unsettling when you think about its move-set. In Gen 3, 9 of its 11 moves either have a chance for status change (confusion or paralyze), lowering of Def and SpDef, and honing (hitting highly mobile targets). So magnamite's likely manner of hunting is to Lock On to its target, Paralyze or Confuse it so that it cannot flee, and Screech at it to lower the prey's defense thus making it easier for the proboscis to enter the subject. So the prey is alive, conscious, and unable to react to being drained until it is either dead or the magnamite is satiated! That is the stuff of nightmares...
So glad to see another one of these! Super interesting as always!
And thus, I'm caught up with this series. Eagerly awaiting the next one, this is very good!
Maybe I'm thinking a bit too far ahead, but it would be interesting to see these for the other regions as well. Though that might be significantly harder.
This series makes me believe the developers put at least some thought into the ecology of Pokemon, given how well a lot of it seems to fit, but I imagine they started caring less and less as the generations went on.
And besides, I imagine you'll want to take a break after finishing this series, whenever that may be
Longtime enjoyer of this series. I hope one day you can return to it, because the examinations you make about the Pokémon world are so interesting and genuinely fascinating, and i'd love to see more one day.
yess making my day that this series is back
I've been waiting for this for a while!!! Thanks!
“The bigger the p, the more enticing the mate.”
Man I love this series. Though I'll need a rewatch before I watch this one.
I'm with the others though Machamp and Golem were clearly designed around Machoke and Graveler being traded together. Whether that means they initially planned to have those evos exclusive to that trade or not is another question.
by crossing game info and with (a lot of) extrapolation voltorb's mimic properties can actually make sense, we know from legends arceus all pokemon can minimize, now if we assume items are stored in minimizing capsules shaped like poké-balls, then a minimized voltorb can easily be confused for an item capsule
it handily also justifies bag space lol
Always a blast to watch one of these
i like these videos. I hope you continue.
For the steelix existing in the wild- while not in Kanto, Steelix can be found in Sinnoh's Iron Island- which is either an abandoned or active mine
Great video as always.
Regarding Machamp, I think trade evolutions could be better explained as two factors: Migration and human intervention. They're not naturally occurring, and the body of Machamp looks closer to a bodybuilder than even his pre-evolutions. This means that they are the result of humans trying to boost their prowess way beyond their natural capabilities, specially in this case since he's a fighting type. And changing trainers might help as a new environment might imply a different need to adapt.
I like these videos too
I love this series, I hope you continue it at some point in the future
On Voltorb and its lack of electrical abilities: I've always interpreted its ability to self-destruct as it overloading its ability to generate electricity. The explosion isn't an electric attack, but the ability to generate electricity is needed to trigger it, in Voltorb's case.
What if there use to be a ferry of sort that would left workers go from the Pokémon center to the power plant. They do have a fence w. A open spot to “dock”
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Also I always thought that the ceiling fell in sun places of the power plant n that’s how Zapados gets in n out. I doubt it uses the doors. Lol
Magnemite have 3 convenient potential mouths: the screws that rotate in certain animations
Thank you for creating such an insightful look at the ecology of the Kanto region!
I wanted to ask if you’d mind if I used your ideas on Pokemon ecology in a fic I’m making? I will of course state where it came from and provide a link for people that would like to see more of your vids!
Thanks again for the great video!
I found your channel and watched most of your videos soon after. If you read this and have the time to continue making videos, I'd love to see more!
Another great one; these videos are always so fun to watch man, extremely interesting thought experiments
I love these videos, hope there are more to come (Maybe with following generations if you feel you've exhausted Kanto)
Ngl a regional variant of Radicate based on the coypu (or nutria) would be really cool
I love these videos
what if magnemite doesnt eat food to get its metabolism going and can use the electric fields around them to power themselves like a motor since actual in motors and generator the housing and the actual spinny bit are only attached to keep the close and keep it from falling out which magnetmite could just sit still and if magemite was able to live off the magnetism from the planet then a generator would likely be enough to keep them going easily and may over power them leading to magneton.
I just found this series an im so glad I did. Can’t wait for the next one. I know it is somewhat irrelevant to analyzing Kanto solely but I’d like to hear your thoughts on crobat
Someone's probably already told you, but the iron in blood isn't magnetic. The explanation is a bit complicated but, as I understand it, it boils down to the individual iron atoms being fully encased by other elements
And also the fact that apart from whatever iron might be in someone's blood as part of their diet, hemoglobin is only in red blood cells which are only barely half of the content of blood
Grimer being made from X-rays from the moon sounds like a piece of a conspiracy theory.
personally I think alternate unvierses are real just based on later games but I do agree their should be multiple birds. While I think its possible theirs only 1 of a few of the big legendaries I like to believe a lot of them are just rare species. I kinda wish their was a seperate name for like the actual god practically 1 of the kind legendaries and just the really strong rare guys like the birds. Could even throw a couple of rarer currently normal pokemon in that 2nd group
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Machamps beak can also b a breeding by product. I mean if all of a sudden a machok got a beak that would make him more threading when he’s close doing his hand to hand he can peck your eyes out or your face. Seems like an advantage that breeders wanted. I also would like to mention how is humans bred dogs n got a verity so maybe same went on w. The machok line.
Love this little series.
Finally i love your videos
I know that you don't like to take the pokedex entries as a fact but i think the whole theory that magnemite actually absorbs electricity is valid, because in the ruby pokedex entry it says that they attach themselves to power lines to feed on and if you have an outage if you check into the breaker box they're propably there.This to me is more of an observation than a stupid theory like the raticate one because i don't think that was a coincidence.But i do believe that magnemite are alive and not mechanical because they seem robotic not that they actually are, so i think they absorb electricity and metabolize it like photosynthesis.Also i think because they are magnetic they look robotic because they literally pulled small metallic atoms and they made like a outer shell type of thing.And lastly because this comment is too long, i believe magnemite pray on voltorb like this they provoke them to explode voltorb faint and then magnemite drains they're electricity from their bodies and when electrodes wake up they are discharged and weakened so they become easy pray.
Just subbed! Can't wait for the next vod!
A lot of animals are born blind and with eyes closed so maybe zubat just has them closed n relies mostly on their super sonic abilities to get around but once they grow up n evolve their eyes open n bam more effective hunters hence y they turn into crobat
Would the berries absorb what they cure or just cancel it out?
Like say a poison cure berry aka Pecha Berry gets eaten would the poison be drawn to the pieces of the food n then rendering it inert n thus curing the creature OR when it gets eaten does it release some chemicals or proteins that cancel the poison (like two sound waves canceling out)
I say this bc there is a “hot berry” the tomato berry that is super spicy what if Pokémon who ate it got fire powers from it. Or immunity from it.
There’s also infinity energy to think of.
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But, when the world needed him most, he vanished 😢
But wait, couldn't Magnemite absorb metal (like iron or copper) FROM the Power Plant? I mean, Vampire Magnemite is AWESOME, but by magnet pull they "absorb" metal into them
Even the fallout of not using Magnemite for the Power Plant, maybe because they needed Metal, which they would end up taking it FROM the Plant
Also maybe magnemite eats electricity from its surroundings.
Hear me out. What if the screw on the top is like an opening n the more it’s up or out the more it can absorb from the surrounding n when they don’t need to feed they can put the screw all the way dwn
Heya, I love this content, its so unique. Are you going to make more?
The problem I have with using trading for there being more than one legendary is what about the pokemon that are God's are you that some others kid just so happen to find another arceus
Onix might be distantly related to Dragonair, it also being serpent-like, though it only learns dragon's breath through tm or breeding.
I think magnemite do consume electricity, and probably from thunderstones or passively from the plant when it was active.
With respect to the Pokemon in the power plant being used for power generation: There's at least some evidence from Gen II that Pokemon can be used to generate power without knowing any electric moves. Team Rocket uses 6 Electrode to power their transmitter, but Electrode doesn't learn any Electric moves in Gen II. They do (it I'm interpreting their moveset and level data correctly) have Selfdestruct, which is a little odd. Maybe the Rockets were able to contain damage and heal the occasional Selfdestruct easily.
In Gen IV, these Electrodes do know Charge Beam(I think, it's been a while since i played the Gen IV remakes). But I think the Gen 2 case still shows it may not be required. Maybe some electric type Pokemon give off enough electric energy passively that moves aren't needed. The ability Static could be an example of this.
Then again, the Rockets were just running one transmitter, as opposed to needing to run a full power plant to possibly power a whole city.
Legendary Pokemon I that don't think it makes sense if there more than one especially In the later games.
A thing l thought of is why are legendary so rare evey though they so strong
I feel like I can see them some legendary just being rare but not all of them creation, trio in the weather trio and the weapon duo you can make an argument for the weapon legendary definitely not the weather and the creation trios Others like that
You forgot to mention that Voltorbs line is also based on the Mimic.
So maybe their mouths straight in the middle n that’s y there’s two colors.
Also also maybe the red absorbs electricity from the sun or just from the surroundings n that’s y they don’t really move around much. (There would be a lot of static electricity in a power plant filled w. Electric magical creatures)
First off, trading between games is in fact trading between universes, where every game cartridge is confirmed to be a parallel world. OR/AS confirmed this beyond a shadow of a doubt with the Entralink mechanic (see Imgur album vWPuqrp for screenshots), as well as traded Pokémon coming with a message that they travelled across space and time, but hints have been around since G/S/C with the Time Capsule (yeah, casual intertimeline time travel tech in every pokécenter has been a thing in the games' canon since 1999). Now, this isn't necessarily evidence that the Legendaries are unique within each universe (we don't know how many Legendary Beasts Ho-oh created, for example, not to mention that there are at least two distinct Zapdos in the anime). The apparent inability to breed is merely evidence on an inability to breed in captivity for whatever reason (a real thing we have to deal with when protecting endangered species like cheetahs and pandas).
Second, if anything the Pokédex undersells how powerful Pokémon are. In Sun/Moon, a simple Seismic Toss is shown to be 9% of light speed, for example. Anime episode 34 is particularly illustrative, however, with a school of Magikarp performing Splash, the move that "does nothing", where each contributed roughly the equivalent of 1000 tonnes of TNT, while evolving into Gyarados. Also, episode 33 shows that Pokémon can, for example, choose what their flames burn without any change of temperature, before anyone starts complaining about Magcargo again.
Now, if Splash is that powerful, how many Electric types have a version of Volt Absorb for feeding that's just too weak to qualify as an actual Move? A lot of your dismissal of the Pokédex based on inconsistencies with the movelists and abilities presumes that everything of note has to rise to the level of a battle-worthy Move or Ability, and that's simply not valid.
He's already countered your first point in previous videos. These are his interpretations of the ludonarrative of Red/Blue/Yellow/FireRed/LeafGreen. Lore is only given any consideration when it's coming from the game itself- NPCs, pokedex entries etc. which aren't taken at face value because nobody in these games seem to genuinely understand much about pokemon at all, why can we be sure that the pokedex isn't filled with incorrect speculation? Retroactive continuity is given absolutely no consideration for obvious reasons. What is implied by the sprites, movesets, evolutions and locations of pokemon is more important to us than what the pokedex says about them.
He's also mentioned that there is likely a lot of stuff within Kanto that just isn't seen, such as pokemon in-between stages of evolution. There was also his point that *if* paras(ect) was controlled by a parasite rather than having a symbiotic relationship with a fungus, we would likely see uninfected examples of the host pokemon. As well as that, he mentioned that even pidgey/ratatta encounter rates on route 1 did not necessarily imply that their distribution is identical. We find these pokemon going through grass, maybe there are a bunch of pidgeys in the trees that we just don't see, or maybe a small number of aggressive ratatta give us an impression of inflated numbers. So I don't think he'd take issue with the 'Pokemon can probably do stuff that isn't explicitly laid out in their moveset' idea. It's just that seeing something in their moveset is concrete evidence of an ability, and when it's not there, we can only speculate.
@@georgejpg I've seen the other videos. They counter these points a lot less than you'd think. I'll grant I had to pull a couple of specific examples from the anime, but really that's just to lend credence to taking what's said in-game at face value (and for that matter, I'm pretty sure there's stuff in-game I could have used to make those points, but those season 1 episodes are just what I've got memorized for when this subject comes up (which it does quite often)). And the games, manga, anime, and other media are all explicitly in the same multiverse (hell, levels are even a canon thing in the anime, or at least they were for the firs couple of episodes), so while I can accept the desire to concentrate on the games specifically, that doesn't mean key information from other media should be ignored completely. By the same token I could have talked about how in-between stages just aren't a thing anywhere in the canon, and the anime and manga explicitly prove this, but I wanted to avoid using evidence from the anime to make my points to the extent possible.
Yes, there is a tacit acknowledgement elsewhere in this series that Pokemon do have abilities outside that which is shown mechanically. That's why I felt the need to point out the context around these phenomena that I did, because he clearly dismissed the possibility in this video despite being more accepting of it previously. It's inconsistent and disingenuous. Not that I realistically expect that level of rigour, because there's a fuckton to keep track of for months and years at a time and a lot that just needs speculation, but it's worth mentioning as a commenter so that others in the audience can interpret this series with a fuller awareness of its limitations.
But most salient was the dismissal of the idea that trading is a inter-universal thing, when it's an explicit part of the mainline series game canon. Mind, we also regularly see intra-universal trading affect evolution (ie there's always some NPC in some Pokemon Center who wants to trade), so the speculation that the inter-universal nature of trading might be relevant was really weird. Point is, he got that bit (ie my first point that you say he already addressed) flatly wrong, and that needed correcting.
@@watcher314159 I'm not going to read through that if you can't understand that the purpose of this exercise is to exclusively use information from R/G/B/Y/FR/LG.
The anime and manga are off the table, if they say they're part of the 'same multiverse' that's fine, but those games make no mention of that. If you prefer to use information from all pokemon media, good for you, but they are riddled with contradictions and retroactive continuity.
Why would fans of the games and games alone want to go down that rabbit hole? R/G/B were never created with the intent to expand the world through manga and anime, and none of the people who created the world of those games had any significant involvement in spinoff media.
@@georgejpg you don't get to pretend we're ignoring all the world building post-R/G/B when we're already including FR/LG in the discussion. It's really not that strict.
@@watcher314159 We're ignoring the worldbuilding that wasn't done by the people who built the world in the first place. It's really not that confusing.
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hang on. doesnt crobat learn mean look? iirc
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In gen 1 rattata can learn water gun by tm.
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Actually quite useful in Mount Moon if you picked Charmander
epic vid
wtf did this fella just say about the p on machokes belt
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The Pokedex entries are accurate and canon and ignoring them is stupid.