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HYBE is taking action against social media haters and gossip websites with the help of 4 US law firms. Find out more in this video!
As Yoongi once said “go ahead and say whatever you want, we will just sue you”
😂😂😂😂 I thought the same thing
We stan a savage king 😹💜🤴
Yep! Gotta love Yoongi for nailing it from the beginning. He's always said this. I have so much respect for that man!
When/where did he say this? I would like to see the video. 😆
@@Jemilia82 His V-Live. Search his V-lives. He is in a bedroom, in PJ's.
It has only been 3 days since Jin is back home and the entire kpop twt and their mamas are already jealous and insecure at his existence, the no. of unprovoked disgusting hate posts I've seen was expected but still gross, all these deranged people need to be sued. Also allkpop, pann and koreaboo too!
I agree, and ARMY keeps it going by responding, and getting in online arguments. Just ignore and block.
People should be accountable for their own actions- period. Having a negative opinion of someone is different than targeting someone and telling lies about them ( or even spreading rumors when there is no proof to bring them down). It is a fine line for sure. I do hope Hybe succeeds on this front.
It's not a fine line. One is opinion and the other is defamation. Very different. I'm not trying to argue with you, but you are almost erasing the point. The point you are hoping to make is valid.
@@denisetenny4529, okay, I agree it isn’t, but think it may be in court, unfortunately. Hopefully, these people will be caught and punished. Defamation and cyber bullying are horrible crimes.
@beth5870 Defamation shouldn't be too hard to prove in HYBE's case. They did incur financial losses because of it. I just wonder if they are not mentioning it in order to suprise smack her in the face with this in the upcoming court case. Oh, I do hope so. 🤭🤑😜🤪🫡
You and me both. Hoping the grace falls on the side of the angels!
To our 7 kings
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💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 Sending Army's love.
I left a comment under the BeLift Lab announcement video in support of BeLift and I was instantly attacked. It was so weird. I asked my friend to check if she could still see my comment, but it was gone within 30 minutes of posting it. I have never seen a comment section so vile before. The haters are literally flagging every supportive comment to push their narrative that the video backfired. I'm convinced that they're being paid to do this. A lot of the accounts have 100 plus comments and they seem to be only commenting on that video. This is such an obvious smear campaign.
Pursuing individuals is playing whack a mole, but if they can prove that a company is behind this, then I think it will be a major win.
I do not agree. What you are referring to is organized, corporate defamation. It is not simple defamation but a more serious crime, I believe; in Italy there is the crime of Abuse of popular credulity. But this does not mean that the individual hater should be left free to write any obscenity, also because we know well that on the Internet everyone copies everything. There are haters accounts that have hundreds of thousands of followers.
@@bqanto I didn’t mean they shouldn’t try to prosecute individuals just that it’s an immense task. There are so many crazy people out there.
@@anneprendergast7834 True, but that's the beauty of tagging; it can be used to backtrack not just the people who jumped on a hate-train, but the people who started it rolling in the first place. With that, you can round up a major 'nest', as it were, in a fairly short time. And it wouldn't be too difficult to cross-reference with the company's database and find which of them are repeat offenders. HYBE particularly likes to crack down on those, and will probably prioritize them over first-timers or loners.
I think one of their goal could be to get the identity of the accts hired by mhj. If I remember right, didn't they request Twitter to release the info of a particular user they believed to be hired by her.
That was never confirmed, unless I missed it. But I do remember that rumor.
Mhj was in touch with hybe competitors most definetely she has got all thr resources
Definitely!!!
Go for it Bang! Millions are behind you and believe in you. We know you will defend BTS with all your strength. Hate crimes are just that. Crimes.
It would absolutely fantastic if allkpop and koreaboo could be included! The falsehoods they print about hybe and their groups is disgusting
God me too. Get rid of these foul writers that need to be shut down. These are Americans here that are pure haters of BTS. Trash writers with low self esteem.
Are two of them based in US ?
@@wildlotus4339 Yes. They are both registered in the U.S instead in Korea.
Guess,they wanted the freedom to say things that are not true because they will earn from it and at the same time, the justice system would not chase them for that.
+Pannchoa
@@TomsMusicCorner Is that another entertainment website too?
Evidently they have the funds to pursue it so I think it's a great move. Just exposing the anonymous haters is a huge win!
I also hope they go after all those haters in their own country whether they're obscure or not.
Dewunken,Lillipaws, are the worst? Various Kookmin sites!
@@greymouse718all Taekook sites are terrible name callers to one specific member. Don’t believe me, look.
@greymouse718
Why? Because you are a hard-core Taekooker? You've been going around all the channels bad mouthing Jimin for the longest time. How about your actions? Do you think HYBE should sue you for defamation and slander? One thing I noticed that is, most Taekookers have been lost their logic and rationale already. They seem to living in another space. I really wonder if they have their own lives? Do you have your personal life? BTS is not an outlet for your quest of Dramas. In my observation, most Taekookers seemed to so engrossed in Taekook relationship only, not interested in their artistry at all. I've never seen any harsh words about Tae or Jk from Jikooker at least. As I said, I'm not any of shippers nor interested in their private lives. I'm just asking for general fairness and human decency which you seem to lack.
@@swift9112stop lying i had they is also jikook pages are had they are been removed by RUclips for taking bad abt taehyung
i wonder why did they go after american youtubers first and not korean ones
Good move on Hybe. It is about time.
This is amazing! Hate has got out of control online. It really is time that the particularly egregious offenders get exposed. They don't even need to be sued. But once someone is exposed everyone else will be way more careful.
We really do need to reconsider anonymity online. There has to be a bar on your behaviour before you get exposed. The internet would be a better place if people think twice before spewing hate.
You should be okay to speak out against someone but not use hate-speech and just plain nastiness.
Yeah, naming and shaming needs to be a thing again. As long as we don't let it slide into doxxing; that would not be acceptable.
@@ystrw A fine line; very easy to cross.
@@sugamygdala1 True.
Good news! I said it weeks ago, this has forces behind it, they must stop them before the whole group returns.
If suspension or removal of a RUclips channel is another possible repercussion, that may make some folks think twice if it’s their income source.
Its hard to do. Tbh. I run 2 channels and to get one removed is a process. Long hard one.
H should add Kookielit to that list. I swear, that thing is on MHJ's payroll.
I hope they can get some where with this. I'd really love to see if there are any Companies behind some of the things that are happening.
Than you hun, for letting us know what's going on.
Blessings 🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊🫰💜💜💜
Good. Get them to admit who is paying them to do this even if they don't win. People get doxed all the time, so it isn't impossible to learn who they are.
Another consideration….
Remember 'Haters' are just 'Envious'.
They are so jealous with envy, that the jealously comes out in Hate.
To compensate their envy, the want to cause disruption and stress.
Best thing - NO REACTION. Don’t give them a platform. Just ignore, give them a 'DISLIKE' and move on.
They find their fulfillment in upsetting you. Let the Law be the way to fight back. Listing the hate platforms by name, fines, or jail time will surely y help.
A DISLIKE is a reaction. Best to ignore and move on to channels like this one.
“It’s the principle!” I think people, especially in the US, forget that money is not everything. The ideals and the integrity and principles should be respected and protected.
They are literally trying to take down Hybe before BTS returns. Well, it won't work. Hybe is new and they have to learn from their mistakes. All the haters don't understand how business work; and it is always about making money to pay the bills. It's a big building and they have a lot of employees and artist to pay.
the haters may try to bring BTS down but if they just take a look at the crowd around the Hybe building the day Jin was discharged they should understand it is an act of futility.
well we won't let them to bring Hybe and BTS down. Now it is very clear that both have been targeted by MHJ and those behind her. These mhj's puppets stepped on mine. International Army's won't stand this and mhj's tricks. Even if they mislead whole Kore# no chance to manipulate with whole world.
@@avabickhamthat's why they hate. C7z Jin showed them who's the boss in kpop. BTS guys are. The way that Jin's return from military was reported by practically all mainstream global media speaks volumes. BTS is big. Korea is small.
@@avabickham To think the massive crowd all just for his return. This shows the impact that they guys have.
Hybe and BTS also have many haters in South Korea also.
Sadly it's a pastime netzians love, tearing down the mighty. First they build people up then when they achieve success they hate on them. They're envious and fickle.
Hybe is going after Korean haters too with their Korean major law firms already
Inflicting psychological trauma is their past time. They aren’t just “haters”. They push people to terminate themselves as a hobby. Something is more sinister over there.
KOOKIELIT 😪
@@catherinewandera8790 I have stopped watching that channel. It's so disgusting!
Thank you for this video. I wish people just stop spreading those malicious rumors online.
Army could sign the petition that asks Hybe to fire Min Hee Jin, if they haven't, yet.
More than 53k have signed so far, and the Korean news media took note of it.
Thank god! Dave Disci... your days are numbered.
They won't and can't sue Dave, 1 it is obvious he has had media training and quite clearly uses the word ALLEDGEDLY (used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof.) Then he proceeds to debunk (expose the falseness or hollowness of (an idea or belief).)
Thereby putting a stop to a lot of the rumours but some of you are too focused on the rumour or the headlines designed to attract the attention of those that are looking for News supporting the rumours, to understand this or perhaps just too ignorant to understand what he is doing. Or perhaps you simply don't have enough understanding of the English language to understand that he pulls apart rumours with logic & common sense, and debunks them. Thereby stopping the spread of rumours.
If you want to stop rumours you don't ignore, you talk about them and attack them with logic or facts if you have access to the facts.
@@pamelakrause9311 but he's not putting that in his 'Clickbait titles'.
@@eileencritchley4630 Granted, but his clickbait titles are (were? I haven't looked since I blocked him) always in the form of questions rather than statements, and were always attributed to a vague 'people on social media are saying this' source. That's hard to bring defamation charges on, especially when he then 'both side's it' with "Well, it could be true, but it might not". That's why he doesn't do any sort of actual research; so he can credibly claim ignorance.
Now, some of the people in his comments.... them, some of 'em might well end up facing charges. But a surprising number that I saw were about correcting his misinformation rather than adding to it- which means he can also credibly argue that he was attempting to defuse the 'rumor' by allowing fans to comment. Fits right in with the way he presents himself as the voice of reason.
Infuriating, isn't it? 😑
Dave Disci has been reported to Hybe for years by people who don't watch his videos. Instead the Hybe staff watches videos of him and that's why they have never reported him and never will.
@@eileencritchley4630 This does not fall under the crime of defamation.
I don’t think this falls under a whistleblower act. I think that would be the only time an account should be private. I don’t think any account should be private. If I go on your account and say I love BTS, I should stand by my view. Conversely, if I am willing to go on and spew hate, I should be willing to do it openly. The whole problem as I see it is the fact that people can go online anonymously and say things they would never repeat under their name.
...well, i hope the glee they felt besmirching our boys still feel worth it now
this is actually good not only for artist but for every1...because if there is legal precedence in a case like that it will be easier for common ppl to actually have a case against haters or bullies on internet and it will go even further if u think how many dark and sickening things exist online... i really hope they get some results so the legal system actually starts to adress these matters with more transparency.. we cant forget the case of the actor months earlier that got ruined from all the false news and the hate that lead him to an unthikable desicion and yet ppl who spread those rumors are not held responsible for this
We already ready have it here in the UK our liable laws apply to cyberspace oh and we've taken Newspapers (gutter press) to court for printing lies about people and they've had to pay up.
I appreciate your reports. You are absolutely awesome! I am one of your subscribers.
Well...in my opinion...IT IS ABOUT TIME that they pursue these people! I would have thought they would already been pursuing them. Several pop up on my RUclips suggestions, one of them is a foreign language similar to Russian I think, with subtitles. There is one in particular from America that shows up on my suggestions that spreads false rumors and nonsense. You can tell by his titles. I do not watch the videos because i do not want to give him a view. They should add him to their list too. He has a lot of followers.
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Good! Sue RUclipsr dave disci too , this person makes defamatory videos about BTS.😠
Yes! That annoying man needs to be sued big time. He absolutely vile!
Yes He really gets me upset. Sue him sue him!
I quit watching him ages ago, for this very reason. He's horrible!
Can we send his account name to hybe?
Этот, так называемый "человек", выполнит любой "заказ" всем, кто платить хорошие деньги..... Завистливый тип.
It would be a great deterrent to stop online bullying...
I'm cool with courts knowing who owns a profile..
At the end of the day, people still get hacked so they still have s burden of proof on their plate.
True... If it can stop this cyber bullying nonsense then it's better be transparent when the court need it...
About time! No compromise! No Settling!
Precedents don't mean anything any more in the U.S. court systems, but I hope it will deter haters knowing they may have to face fines or lawyers fees. The one way to beat the haters to not give them a voice, not paying attention to their posts and ignoring them.
However many 'other's' pay attention and it gets into social media, then the news and it attacks the reputation of the Members as individuals as a group, to BigHit and HBYE which then brings down their stock price and brand name eg effects their ability to conduct their lawful business. So it should be cut out at the root and not ignored.
Thank goodness! BTS and LSF were recieving way too much unwarranted hate by blinks and others. LSF even had to disable the comments on their platforms.. and Manchae got sm hate I'm so worried for that kid. Even I'm a casual listener of LSF, the amount of hate they are receiving, reminds me when our fandom was small back then, that's why I'm worried about them.
As long as the ARMY bond & stay together to fight for our boys ,no one can pull them down.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Good! Social media has allowed open season on entertainers, with no accountability for slander and defamation of character. The consequences need to be serious.
I have always said that social media should require people to show their true identity on their profile. They can still practice freedom of speech and have the right to say whatever they want. They just no longer have the ability to defame or bully others anonymously. People get brave when they can hide behind a computer screen.
It would be nice to get rid of so much hate spreading garbage that's shared online.
So. My understanding so far is that this isn’t about gaging people. But about putting their faces next to their mouths. In particular, paid corporate entities sabotaging other people’s products.
So glad to hear about this!
Thank you for this. It will be a hard battle but all they need is one sensible judge. I just read that Tencent a Chinese company is making an all out effort to gain the majority shares in Hybe. As Big Hit is not a subsidary but a seperate company, can they leave Hybe if this happens or are they tied! I think that Army is concerned if a Chinese company takes over Hybe on how it will affect BTS? If the company succeeds and becomes the major shareholder, how much influence will they have over management of Hybe’s subsidiaries and their artists including big Hit and their artists?
and this is another reason as to why Hybe might lose with this lawsuit in the US, specially if I hybe has ties to a Chinese company... nope never gonna happen, imagine the headline of Chinese tied conglomerate tries to abolish the first amendment right of the constitution.... girlies no... as if.... its never gonna happen, specially if hype has ties to a CCP company. mark my words, never gonna happen, also don't forget guys.. freedom of speech is kind of absolute , and yes, that includes speech we disagree with or find offensive, ( with certain exclusion like the Supreme Court has ruled and the exceptions are very clear nfd this doesn't fall under those categories) sorry guys but this lawsuit by Hybe is so dumb and is never going to go through
Bighit is still an independent/private label
@@user-nh5iz8xu7y That’s good to hear!
@@user-nh5iz8xu7y I hope I'm not asking a stupid question but . . .🥴How can a company be independent (BigHit) but OWNED by another (HYBE) company?😳 Can you explain to me how that would work? Thanks in advance.🙂💜
@@bdfhvxzBighit not owned by Hybe, BangPd set things right, so they wouldn't be affected if anything happens, st least that's my understanding. Think it's an affiliate. 💜
It's very refreshing hearing news and valuable information from your bubbly personality
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Go get em HYBE! 💜
As an American I wish we had more ability to control hate speech. Unfortunately our country was built on lies about Black people, for instance. Starting with slavery and then nonstop discrimination that continues. It is destroying us. I think it worth it to fight against hate speech and defamatory lies. Thank you Hybe.
The problem is everyone can have a different opinion of what hate speech is. I love that I live in a country where our speech isn't controlled, but it is sad that people abuse this right to be so mean to one another.
I agree totally thank you for this. With social media it is put of control. I have a friend with a huge channel being harrassed for like a TV show....yup....thats it. Then she is harrased on Twitter and her channel. She's a critic. I mean really? I think the people doing this are paid to slander companies or certain groups
As an American we still have laws against slander and hate speech. Also their are defamation laws🤷 Shut them all down , keep your hateful lies to yourself
It is about time people learn the difference between freedom and self-indulgence (my 67 year old self learned this beautiful concept from master Suga)
As an American, I am thankful for our freedom of speech. We, imho, have the most freedoms than anywhere else. We already have laws against hate speech (very specific: “Hate speech is any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons on the basis of race, religion, skin color, sexual identity, gender identity, ethnicity, disability, or national origin.), as well as laws for slander and libel. Hate speech is already defined by US law. The trouble with wanting MORE hate speech laws is the question of WHO would define what ‘hate speech’ is? Something I might feel is hate speech others might not and vice versa. I personally don’t want a small group of people having the right to decide what the majority of people can or can’t say. Libel and slander are hard to prove because you have to have proof of how it hurt your reputation/making a living/etc and those can be hard to prove, especially if you’re suing someone who’s reach is no where near the person suing. We can’t base laws (which have consequences when broken) on people’s feelings; everyone sees/feels things differently so the US laws were set up (as a democratic republic) to protect the majority from being ruled by the minority.
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They can locate them. They just need to find the right cybersecurity experts. Start at MIT. But the real info and responsibility lies with the social media networks and those selling info on the net. This has been a long time coming. It is seriously needed. You will have a positive impact on the mental health of citizens around the world.
Now the one video I did report to RUclips and sent to big hit was the video saying all these k pops stars were dead and they even included v of BTS , now that’s not nothing to joke about , what about if these k pop stars parents see this video saying there child is dead that would hurt them . People need to have a heart and not joke about death like that
There's that Indian site that was reporting on Jimin being in a fight in the army Mess (mess is where you eat in the army) and being taken to hospital with a broken leg then they did the same thing saying it was V then again saying it was Jungkook and that he'd been stabbed.
Crazy crazy crazy.
@@eileencritchley4630 what omg that’s crazy , I mean they that desperate to get clicks , likes or views they make up LIES
Also,thank you for saying you don’t know everything and this video was helpful to hear.
I agree that it’s worth it. Not long ago in the US a woman defamed Cardi B on their RUclips channel. Cardi B won and and the RUclips woman was ordered to pay Cardi over 4 million dollars I believe. It doesn’t mean that she can get away with not paying because no matter how poor or wealthy that debt is carried for the duration of that persons life. Hybe is big in America as well as Korea but I think they have more to gain. Imho
I noticed in the last 48 hours a lot of the spamming “rags” have disappeared and I couldn’t be happier!. It’s made keeping up with the HYBE Ador controversy so much more breathable.
Same thing happened when HYBE announced they had hired another firm, last month, and were actively pursuing false rumors and defamation...and would not be swayed by apologies or deletions. The minute consequences come up, people shut up.
Hybe should go after kookielit channel too
Bye bye kookielit! 😂
That’s a content farm and a click farm
Cardi b sued Tasha K and won. So yes its very very effective. I dunno about Korean law or sites there but in the U.S. they can win if they can prove it. Besides a judgement there is a huge chilling effect that happens so it's worth it. It's not always the money that's the point. It's a preventable measure. Also a LOT of these sites are part of content farms. Companies own many different youtube channels and pretend to be run by a person. So you may see the same stories on various channels. They are owned all by the same company.
Actually in the USA it is a bit harder to sue, than other countries, due to the right to the Freedom of Speech, you have to be prove to be inciting.
@@pamelakrause9311 it is but once you start suing the other gossip sites back off. It's effective. You may not win but no content creator wants to be sued or spend thousands of dollars trying to win in court. Most don't have 100k for lawyers fees and then there is a hit to your reputation and outing your sources. We even call it the Tasha K effect. All those gossip channels tread carefully with cardi b. No one wants to lose money. Once you get exposed you lose viewers and your sources are afraid to work with you cause they are afraid too.
@@pamelakrause9311Incitement is all kpop content creators do. With extremely few exceptions. Sadly.
@@HailToTheMeepSo true! It's alarming
@@pamelakrause9311 You should know that freedom of speech is also guaranteed by the German constitution and all Western constitutions. There is no democratic country, even a non-Western one, in which freedom of speech is not guaranteed. You should know that freedom of speech gives you the right to express your opinion, not to defame.
Yess I don't care who you are. Your actions have consequences. Yes, all speech is free to say, but the question is SHOULD YOU, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY, DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. 💜💜💜🤟🇺🇸💜💜💜💜
I mean criticism is okay but hating or defaming someone is not okay !
People nowadays doesn't understand the line between this so they judge it as criticism when it's clearly pure hate/harassment and defaming.
@nanao7412 I agree that no one has learned consequences to ones actions, good or bad. And sometimes people have to learn it the hard way. 🤟
It's not true that freedom of speech allows you to say whatever you want. Saying that BTS committed a crime (rigging the charts) is defamation, i.e. a crime.
@bqanto Freedom of speech is just that you have the right here in America to say what you want, BUT you do have CONSEQUENCES to that speech GOOD OR BAD there is no different than anybody saying the scammys instead of Grammys.( just an example) If someone says BTS did Chart manipulation they can say it, does not make it right? No, but they can say it, and we come back to consequences to what you say, good or bad. What people have forgotten is SHOULD YOU SAY STUFF LIKE THAT AT ALL. I tell my kids just because you think it sometimes it should not be said. Just my opinion. And thank you for yours. 💜💜💜🇺🇸🤟💜💜💜💜
@@OT7Armymom It's like saying that everyone is free to steal, but then you have to accept the consequences. Unfortunately, the Americans have totally failed to understand the meaning of freedom of speech, which comes from the French Revolution.
How about these large accounts on twt who get away with some of the most vile defamation/slander????!!! Hybe needs to get their act together and go after THEM!
They will also be gone after but they require reporting with evidence to HYBE so they know what one's to look into and why
@@eileencritchley4630 I send them links to posts all the time.
If you can not sue them get rid of them it is called Ban them from the platforms
Great move Hybe 👍 our boys needs to be protected
I feel Hybe went through much bullying from their country and the world a constant battle and maybe they want to change the trajectory of all the Entertainment companies and show them that entertainment business is a safe and peaceful industry well done Hybe
Hallelujah. HYBE is taking this seriously and I hope that those vlogger's such as Kookielit should be banned in any social media platforms.
I hope that those vloggers could not run into discord or patreon because they could still earned from those platforms.
Keep reporting them to hybe and it's sub labels. Report them to RUclips
@@nicoleloss7987 I just read some new vloggers whom are defaming HYBE. Those brats would never get away from the lawsuit.
OMFG kookielit is part of a content farm. This is my opinion but various people have watched that channel and there is a lot to say. But yes they click bait on bts and deaths. I think they are owned by someone or some company there are videos on RUclips about kookielit and it's pretty alarming. But I swear the voice is AI. At one time it may have been ran by a person but I think she sold her channel to a content farm company
@@NomadicKitty Maybe. But i don't really like the way Kookielit explain things when infact that person doesn't know the true story behind of it.
@@NomadicKitty yes she did
I loved Begins Youth but I had a hard time following who was who. I wish they had been able to use the boy's names and not worry that idiots would take it seriously. I need to understand the bts universe and go back and rewatch. I've held off until I can see your video on this. :) I look forward to it.
I was the opposite. I knew all in episode 2. They did the research and actors acting similar to the boys. All that little things that I noticed in BTS I see actors are doing.
i wish one of them to sue misuplus channel she posted all lie videos like the one of her videos she said jin talking about retirement
Yes, I stop following that channels a while ago cause it’s a clickbait channel
@@daverbaortiz3401 true she posted all lies
I think defamation of character is taken pretty seriously. also, Americans, don't take social media super seriously. WE tend to block and ignore. You tube is pretty good at taking things down if it's reported. What USA does not tolerate is raciest hate speech, or coordinated attacks. I have a feeling, after big 3 in korea wasn't successful in bringing BTS down while they are away before Jin got out, they got scared and started going after them again. I think due to festa, Hybe waited to go public until after festa.
I can't believe Blackpink's people still go after ARMY and BTS. The girls are seemingly friends with the guys. Some were even at Hobie's listening party. The fan hate from different groups in Korea is shocking to me. Many celebs have sued and won cases in the USA, but they usually settle out of court, and a NDA is signed, so you don't hear much about it.
I agree with your comment. Also, something a lot of people, especially those overseas need to understand is the difference legally between defamation of character & freedom of speech according to our laws. There's a huge difference in telling lies to damage an artist's reputation intentionally and simply expressing an opinion of why you don't like an artist. No US court would even hear a case because someone said "they have no talent, they can't sing", etc. As much as we're bothered by it, that doesn't constitute defamation or slander under our laws.
I can't even find these channels now.
And US lawyers know how to do it too
That channel Koolilit (spelling?) Usually puts out videos that makes me think is backed by MHJ.
Yes people should really screenshoot for profiting from it
Thanks!
Hybe isn't interested in gaining financial gain !they will make them as an example off.
In the US you are not allowed to make money off of spreading known lies, opinions are considered free expression but known lies stated as facts with intention to damage their business are actionable.
Yes it's the same as here in the UK stating your opinion and making it clear/plain that it's your opinion is the key.
Awesome! I hope he puts those snakes out of business 🎉
Good! And HYBE should!!!
Maybe it’s easier to proceed an inquiry against organised spamming organisation rather than individual citizens, especially if the victims are minors.
That''ll a huge part of what HYBE's lawyers will be doing.
Yees this is organized
As they should
One entity alone being sued by HYBE will be more than enough deterrance to the others - no matter what the result is, win or lose, the person at the wrong end would have to deal with paying an attorney + costs, not to mention how much time in a person’s life gets devoured by it. As far as SM companies being willing to divulge identities, that is almost immaterial. At the point that legal action is initiated, HYBE counsel would already have downloaded every bit of a defendant’s SM activity, posts, comments, connections, groups, etc.
I guess I should add that there are some incorrigible people out there that consider themselves above everyone else, and think they can get away with it. They would pop up again after deleting their old accounts. But they’ll always leave a trail.
Due to the very nature of SM, anyone can be found. In the course of my work, I never had a situation where I couldn’t find an involved party.
If the SM company doesn't release the identity of the hater, who should Hybe file its complaint against? When you go to court, there must be a first and last name on the complaint.
Fandoms need to fight the haters, NOT other fandoms. Please think of this when you get upset by a comment. Most true Army have been around long enough to know that BTS respects other groups, doesn't bad mouth anyone else, doesn't hate other Idols and holds no grudges about past treatment; nor comments (except in songs!) about other Idols or rappers. Can't we follow the examples of our Idol's who are friendly with each other? 😢😢😢
It's about time we found out who the real haters are. It's definitely way past time we devolved ourselves with content creators (not this one) who pit one fandom against another with comparison videos. They start hate and should be called out for it.
Borahae! Be good to each other!
💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 Army's love
👑👑👑👑👑👑👑 for our 7 Kings and all other artists!
Can we sue the extreme shippers too?
If I say that X and Y are having an affair, it is not defamation. It's defamation if I say they steal. Defamation is the dissemination of information about immoral and evil behavior, not about people's private affairs. And in the case of ships, it's not even a violation of privacy, since they are just baseless hypotheses.
@bqanto NOPE! If you're wrong, defamation includes slander against someone's character. Making false statements and creating fake images of someone in an indecent position is defaming ones character.
@@nikaywright What you say is the crime of image appropriation (even as a description of a character in a literary work), but I fear that the policy of Hybe is not to prosecute those who use this type of fanfic and fanart, because they increase the public attention on BTS and because after all everyone knows that they are a figment of imagination. It would be different if the person who produces this material sold it, because she makes a profit from it. There are actually people who sell fanart, but it is not a significant market.
@@nikaywright Correct
@@bqanto There's a difference when the author/creator says this is fan art or fanfiction not real. It's when people start spreading lies by saying person A is having an affair with Person B and they are not then that's when it's comes unlawful. There's the difference
I really don't read fanfic's nor will I buy fan art ( fan art is fine if you are making it yourself and not Selling it) Fanart legally can't be sold as if you don't have the permission from the artist as it's their personal image you're using. It's a copyright issue and can also be a Trademark issue.
Anyone can write a fan fic if they want but if they are saying it's real then they open themselves up to being sued. I understand from a Fanfic writer that they always have their disclaimer up in big bold letter. This is a fanfic nothing in this story is real it's make believe, the imagination of the writer.
Shipper are weird they are gossip mongers they those bored house wives who make up stories about their next door neighbour or the person their another person in their class in school. eg the woman next door keeps having lots of visits from the same delivery driver and they seem very into each other they must be having an affair. Then everything that person does is forever seen in that light. creepy and yukkie.
AWSOME !!!
man, if only they managed to get several of those haters' accounts closed, and, cherry on top, punished by law
In fact I am getting even madder about the Bill Mahr insult joke. I want Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, and Trevor Noah to call him out to apoligize. Also all RUclips reactors to call him out to apologize. He needs to know he is not immune from consequences of "hateful jokes".
He won't be punished legally, because he's entitled to voice his opinion under US law, and opinions aren't considered defamation. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean a certain fandom (aka us) couldn't make our feelings known on his social media accounts. He needs to make a formal apology to BTS and ARMYs.
@@Lizbeth1203 unfortunate that he uses his popular tv show for an unfunny and insulting joke
that social media will be skewered by the public if they give out account info
Thank you for covering this, value your thoughts. Not sure if anything will happen, make the lawyers wealthy. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of the USA. We are free to criticize the behavior we feel strongly about. If we have one opinion that is our right. Here is my opinion, you’re in the limelight, so accept what comes your way. Didn’t Taylor have some about that?
You know which Law firm would get Hybe the desired result? OPA - Olivia Pope & Associates 🤭🤭 "It's Handled!" All jokes aside tho, I truly hope some good will come out of this. A deterrent to the smear campaign at the very least.
No offence but I really dgaf about the other Agencies that might benefit from a favourable court ruling for Hybe. Yes they also debut minors and would greatly benefit from a successful lawsuit by Hybe in this case (precedent like you said) But they've been at the forefront of malignining Hybe's name including the smear and boycott campaign; and so deserve absolutely nothing from us. Even by default. I know I'm being unreasonable but that's just how I feel 🤷♀️.
I also found it quite hypocritical how some channels that spewed a lot of lies about BTS and rode the recent hate train so blatantly, were the same ones posting videos on Jin's return and pretending to be happy he completed military service. Sharing those images on their channels was so two-faced imo 😏
Hybe is going to change entertainment in the US.
Good!!! Bill Mahr on his HBO show called BTS music sh*t. Last night, 6-14-24, it was part of jokes segment. He noticed audience didn't laugh loudly and immediately said, oh I love BTS. Then he made face to show he didn't. This is totally unacceptable. He has wide enough audience for this to be called out. He has a large megaphone and this is classic Asian hate "just joking" ignorance and uncalled for insult.
He can’t get sued for this. He is an American in America. He is protected under freedom of speech. That’s his opinion and he is expressing it. I am annoyed and irritated about it. But that’s how it is.
And I'm going to bet that Bill Mahr hasn't even listened to BTS music maybe aside from their fully English songs that he heard in passing.
I'm sure of that, which makes me even madder. He's depending on his comic fame to protect him from saying something stupid and insulting. I believe his poor choice of comic idea will not add more fame to his fading career.
He has a Twitter and an IG account... ARMY could make some opinions of their own known. Politely, of course, we wouldn't want to stoop to his level. But he might be interested to know that he alienated a fanbase of 80M+ people.
You can't report a person because he doesn't like BTS's music. The defamation is about things like "they stole, they plagiarized", not their skills as musicians. Must be a comment about a CRIME or IMMORAL BEHAVIOR committed by BTS. Writing bad music is not a crime, so saying that BTS writes bad music is not defamation, it is music criticism, even if expressed in a rude manner.
Maybe some other companies should get involved and do the same with a few Korean users who go wild on RUclips (US company) and X (also US company), e.g. MODHAUS, where Korean fans are literally throwing stones at some of the members of tripleS because they dared to stay outside the dorm for a while in agreement with MODHAUS (closer to college, to be able to see their parents after 2 years or simply because their health has suffered in the now more than 2 years) without having to leave the group temporarily, as is common in other companies (how long has Lia from ITZY been out?).It's actually not that difficult to understand. But discuss this with Korean fans. They say it's Korean culture. Is that so? It's clerarly Idol culture and this is a total different topic.
Culture is an excuse.
@@HailToTheMeep exactly. I mean, I get that they have a different take on this idol culture, but I bet almost none of these people would last a week as an idol let alone ever debut. If they lived by the same standards as idols, with all the restrictions, they would understand it much better. Discipline alone is not enough. I say that because I have a lot of respect for every idol. I don't have to like everyone when it comes to the music, but when it comes to the person behind it, I would rather keep quiet than say anything against anyone.
Now the crazy part is when I did watch his video he says the nicest thing about BTS but it’s his thumb nail he uses and the title of the post , actually he really do say nice things but it’s the way he uses his titles to get people to click on ,that it could never understand. I even suggested in a comment on his page to just change the titles of your post
He won't. He's been doing this for years, because it gets him views and gives a safe space for haters to get nasty. He's got a real slimy scam going, pretending to be the voice of reason while, at the same time, spreading some seriously vicious rumors and insults.
@@ystrw wow that’s interesting like I said I did watch a few of his videos and he would say /or debunk the rumors about BTS . and by him being Asian himself I would think he would understand about being hated on or spreading false statements .i even read in some of his comments people actually was thanking him for clarifying the rumors .but like I said it’s just his titles that are terrible and that’s why I stopped watching his videos
@@Purplelace777 He generally takes a 'it could be true, it could be false, I don't know' attitude, which is worse than taking a stand one way or another, because it encourages people to keep thinking it could be true.
He has very little actual knowledge of BTS, does virtually no research on them. That's deliberate. This way he can use ignorance as his defense when people call him out. It also allows him to leave out past history and evidence that would clarify 'whether it's true or not'.
And he does get comments clarifying the situation, but the majority of comments are from haters taking the hostile approach and uninformed people saying 'Wow, that's bad.' There've been some spectacular fights in the comments between ARMYs and haters.
His was one of the first channels I ran into when I got into BTS. That was in 2020, and he's still doing now what he did then. He's had *years* to improve and learn; any number of people have told him to quit the clickbait and do his research properly. And he doesn't. He'd rather clickbait, play ignorant, pretend that he's the voice of reason, and knowingly spread hostility and insults with the vague, 'Well, I don't know if this is true or not' because it gets him views.
Maybe if the platforms crack down on cyber bullying it will let no people know that it isn’t ok to attack others that should be a known rule
They'll get a slap on the wrist IF THAT......unless they find out it does have financial backing by a company!....so them suing CERTAIN people means they've found something in somebody's "laptop" (MHJ) ....they know USA doesn't do anything about it due to "Freedom of Speech " and there's no physical harm or intent to do so 💜🦌😊
Unfortunately, 90% of Americans, due to their low intellectual level, fail to understand that the freedom of speech is about opinions, not defamation. I can say that BTS's music is bad because this is an opinion that falls under music criticism. I can say that BTS is ugly because aesthetic taste is personal. But freedom of speech does not allow me to say that BTS steal, because stealing is a crime and if I accuse someone of committing a crime or having immoral behavior, I am defaming him, and it is prohibited by law.
However MHJ did not hand over the laptop.
I want to see now what hybe haters say about the situation, I want to see if their fav company is protecting their fav like this. I'm not a hybe craze fan. But hybe artists have faced enough harassment for being under Hybe. That's why I want to see how others saving their artists.
As they should, Hybe should be doing more to protect BTS and not leaving it all to ARMYs to protect our Bangtan 7.
What hybe does everything to protect bts and it's artists
That is a ridiculous statement. Hybe does the most to protect its artists. Hybe has to follow the rules of the law. How does ARMY protect BTS from gossip websites??
As one ARMY here, all I can do to protect BTS is to block, ignore the haters and gossip websites so as not to increase their engagement scores.
Please report everything to hybe and it's sub labels that is how you can help.
@@christinafreeburn1888 sorry to say that but protecting your fav artist as a private person is impossible. What are you going to do? Take a rifle and stand beside the security, when BTS leaves a hotel or HYBE building while some losers write shit on X, IG or TikTok? All you can do is reporting the site/that account/yt channel whatever and hope for a deleted tweet but X is X, that's how it works. It spreads like a wildfire. These people hide behind the anonymity of the internet (it's not really anonymous, but you know what I mean).
They gone learn today!!!!!
Is the 'campaign' against Scooter Braun included in this "haters and gossip" category? This campaign is causing much agony for ARMYs who don't want politics to affect their beloved BTS. Braun is not HYBE, but he closer to being the face of HYBE with his new 'concentration on being CEO' of US HYBE ....
Can you comment on the truths/lies being posted?? -- i.e., did Braun really 'blacklist' Psy for not appearing in a concert in Israel? (!) Is Braun's political alignment with Israel supported by HYBE and Bang si-hyuk? Will BTS - under HYBE contract - have to perform in Israel? Who in HYBE approved the release of recent BTS film to theater in Israel?
BTS are good humans -- it is hard to believe they don't have an opinion on the genocide in Gaza,
I hope they go after them if for no other reason to shut them up so they can’t have the Free speech to verbally hurt someone who has done nothing to them
Finally!!!!!!
The US is much more protective about freedom of speech, but we do have defamation laws. We need companies like Hybe to sue these creators so there is case law on the books here. If they win any of these cases, which is likely, it will cause immediate change by serving as a warning to others.
It's about time! There are SO many defamation videos out there that I'm sure hurt the artists.
Positive move from Hybe
Great video...
GO GO GO HYBE !!!
Is to find who is behind
First I want to say, I don’t believe in bullying I don’t believe in targeting artists for their looks music nationality etc; I do believe that artist should not be involved in politics of any Country unless it’s their own. Once you involve yourselves in politics it’s open season people will not like this. Everyone has different beliefs and opinions. I don’t believe in lots of things that artists believe in it’s my choice and opinion and they have their own choices and opinions. This I’m saying because I have many actors and artists in my Country that involve themselves in the politics and try and push opinions and bully people. I Wanted to say this as everyone knows Americans or Westerners Strongly believe in the First Amendment. This could be a double edged sword. I believe this Amendment should be respected and enforced, protected. If we didn’t have people that had or have the courage to speak and ( this part is tricky) tell the truth and have the freedom of speech to say or talk, then would we become a part or be socialists or communists. Right now our democratic government is trying to suppress freedom of speech. Right this exact moment the woke or leftist are against the right or far right. Here I am, I believe in freedom of speech I believe that no one should have access to my personal information or property. I believe that i should have the right to voice my opinions. I personally would argue and be highly offended that someone is trying to change the Constitution the First Amendment with a small legal win to try and Amend the Constitution of the United States 🇺🇸. This battle will a hard one. I think it is wasteful hard earned money trying to change a way of life. I believe in freedom. If you don’t have freedom of speech where does it stop. I know my statement will upset people. Right now with all the turmoil going on in our Country I don’t think it’s a good idea. But, I eat drink think sleep BTS they are in my blood and heart. I just don’t agree with this lawsuit I will be judged for my opinion, but it is my opinion. I am a hardcore Republican that loves BTS and believes in freedom of speech and expression of our Country, but I Do Not Believe in Bullying or Violence Against a Race Religion Gender Nationality Color I Don’t Believe in Discrimination I don’t Believe in Hate. But I strongly do not like our democratic government
I agree with you about free speech in the USA. Everyone has the right to speak their mind whether they are "woke" or "fascist". But that doesn't give people the right to lie and endanger children with impunity.
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You are correct. If that is happening and when it happens it needs to stop. But then you will bring censorship into every platform. I used to be a total fanatic about football. Since I was a kid, on FB. People don’t usually post age sometimes not even genders. When people used to friend me, I would search their profile just on fb, because I would only except my team & football, no nasty etc, I noticed a 13 yr old wanted to friend me. I didn’t care because kid was a football guru. But, people would pick on him. I had to have a Hugh discussion about bullying this kid. No one knew he was a kid. But, idols and artists are different you see who they are. But, sometimes you can’t tell age. People will take into account the dress or outfits and judge. I know it’s not nice but everyone does it every Country every race. People were really upset with a performer from the states that danced with BTS. Lots got pretty derogatory.
If regulated worse is possible because only certain groups will be censored.
Right now in the USA the gov lost 80,000 kids. From immigrants crossing the border 80,000 children. There were arguments on the congressional floors about these lost kids? Republicans asked democrats they refused to answer. When there was a fire in Hawaii children were lost half were found nothing was said about the ones that weren’t found. Do you know there are 19 million immigrants that have crossed the border. They get free four star hotels free food free money free healthcare. Do you know Americans are suffering from inflation can’t afford gas food homes and there are homeless American families? No why not cause it’s censored news media won’t talk about it. The fire in Hawaii can’t remember the town but the water was shut down lots of crazy things happened the people were blocked from leaving a burning city. House burned families lost. There were the wealthy and famous artists/people that had the roofs of their houses painted blue. Crazy thing is everything that was blue in this city did not burn. Did you all hear about this in the news. Nope their own people from Hawaii videotapes and place on platforms. Only media commentators told these stories not news media. Why it was censored why I don’t know. Has anyone kept up with what’s happening in the rap and hiphop industry lately? Most people haven’t even heard about this why because media is censored. You only get the truth from individual platforms, these people will be censored that give and bring the truth will be censored. News media in the USA doesn’t tell the truth anymore. All I’m saying are the bad people will not be censored and the good will. Right this minute there are thousands of predators online. Have you heard about what’s being taught in elementary and middle schools the books that are available to kids. I know what you are saying but, I don’t think it will have the impact with what hybe wants not in the US. I not only follow BTS hardcore cause I love their Music and who they are what stand for. I listen to congressional and senate meetings I read listen to politics etc; as much as I listen to BTS. Politics irritate me BTS calms me down I listen to both at the same time. Remember Black Lives Matter. The lady that ran the foundation lived large her family lived large they threw lavish parties. They bought a house with millions for the Black Lives Matter movement. I don’t even know why the house was purchased. The money is gone ask any person that could have used it needed any of that money if it was available. All I’m saying again is the end result won’t be what is expected. Hopefully I’m wrong in all of this. I’m always with BTS just don’t agree with this
@@user-gw5zo4kc8r
Im also not a fascist or woke just a Republican
@@LokisJin07 I would be upset too if I believed all the misinformation that is in your post . Much of it is just not true. There are many more immigrants in the US than you quote but most of them are legal.There are about half the number of illegal immigrants that you quote. There are too many unaccompanied minors that the government does not know the whereabouts of but not as many as you say and most of them were released to family members and then the families moved and the children are now lost to the system but that does not mean they are lost. Many migrant workers have children with them and they do not report when the are moving. That is just the beginning of your post and it contains far more misinformation than that. Check your sources and find more reliable ones.
@@user-gw5zo4kc8r
All my information is either from congressional hearings or senate hearings. So you are claiming that these hearings are misinformation or not valid as true, including the loss of the children. These children were not traveling with families. They were taken and moved into areas where the kids were being held. This was discussed in a congressional meeting where a senator asked a Democratic Party about these missing children. The democrats would not answer the questions. As for blk lives matter it’s fact check sources in internet or any social media, this was also under investigation. My information is quite accurate according to these hearings. As for the legal entries of immigrants prior to our borders being opened are legal and gave nothing to do with what I’m talking about. I am talking about illegal immigrants that are unvetted and not immunized. So you are incorrect again my information is from senate and congressional hearings. I don’t know where you are getting your information from. But, my sources are government sources
Thank you hybe the groups don’t deserve to get hate all started when mhj started her crap
Mic drop
If it stops people from lying about BTS it will be worth it.💜