Screw that dude no one's "Bidou'd out". Keep making more of these, I love watching people utilize this insane tech skill even if me and most other people will never be to.
I see the characters moving like this, and I can't help but think that if the characters were sentient, they'd be like "What in the fuck is happening to me? I can't see a thing. I keep turning around really fast. I didn't know my body was capable of breaking the laws of physics like that". Well, in addition to whatever else they'd be thinking like "Why are my fists/weapons not leaving any visible damage?" and "Why the fuck am I here and who is this?" "Why do people keep exploding when they go a certain distance away?"
Fantastic work to whoever found this stuff out. I can see it slowly being implemented over the years as players get more and more used to trying it out.
+Christoffer113 I find Bayonetta combos quite silly, why would you want to be able to just sit there and knock people around with them having no way to defend themselves over actually outplaying them to rack up damage?
+Christoffer113 oh no they can get away if we fail to read their choice theres also smash di, even the shine bair can be avoided with the right timing. the thing is L cancel raises the skill ceiling by a lot allowing us to do faster follow ups and by extention of our own reads combos
MySmashCorner, I think I can speak for all of us when I say: thank you. You are great at explaining tech, and have amazing quality in your videos, ultimately making your content amazing. You have helped me and so many other people with your videos, and I really appreciate that. Keep it up!
I'm not sure if you take video requests or not, but as a suggestion, do a Greninja Combo/Tricks video. You mentioned in your Q and A video that you think Greninja is Top 5 (not sure if you still believe that, but that does say something about the character), and how once someone breaks through with him, he'll be more of a threat. With iStudying recently getting to Grand Finals at Beast6, I feel like this is the perfect time to make a combo guide for him, to prove how powerful of a character he is. After all, your videos do get a lot of publicity, so it could spread information to the Smash community. I don't want it to seem like I'm bugging you about this, but it would be really cool to see a video on the topic
+1UP Arcade Agree, and greninja seems to be one of the best crowd pleasers too. He always seem to get the most hype when played well at tournaments and he is very fun to watch
Actually for those of you who are wondering, even though I doubt it, for those that use characters with the ability to conjure items , the dashing z drop is still possible without the bidou , bidou actually makes it slightly easier just like most of the other tech like dash dancing etc, just had to test it out as a mega main, nice vid +MySmashCorner we'll done as usual
Can you talk about the pros and cons of different control schemes, not bidou? tap jump vs no-tap jump, different shoulder button configurations, specials, etc?
+RoselaSinclaire Tap jump mostly just messes up things that use up directional inputs while on the ground. Up tilts become way harder to do quickly. Jumping out of shield instead of tilting the shield upward becomes much more common, and is often unintentional, when tap jump is on. Even up smash would be fucked if it weren't for the jump-squat mechanics, which were actually implemented with tap jump in mind. And that's why tons of people prefer turning it off. I used to be a bit of an advocate for having it on myself, since that just made sense to me when I was younger. But then I got an understanding of how tilt moves can be helpful, as well as staying on the ground. And then tap-jump was just a hindrance.
keep. exploring. this tech. This is fucking phenomenal. You know what I really want to see, though? Do a livestream or youtube vid of you going on for glory and see how bidou works in wifi.
I've been practicing bidou since my smash corner first put out the video of it and its honestly not too difficult to perform these techniques. Of course I haven't mastered all of them but the more practical ones are very useful like sliding spot dodge, dash dance, perfect pivots etc.. just don't try using bidou online because sometimes the lag won't read your inputs lmao
Cap'n K I use the pro controller. I was going to originally use the gamecube controller but it felt really awkward since the c stick is kinda small and you can lose your grip
It's not that hard to get used to the controls and perform the techs. It's similar to Wavedashing in the sense that the hard part is applying it into battles.
i for one think that bido is the thing that will bring comp sm4sh into the same area as melee, melee will still be superior but this will make sm4sh so much more interesting
+BoredOfYou how fast did oyu expect this to be implemented it will probably take at least a year for this to sink in. people said the same thing about wavedashing in melee initially.
ubadman1 And Melee wouldn't be that different without wavedashing anyway, it really only adds another spacing method (it already had effective dashdancing), a way to grab ledge, and waveshining. The difference is, bidou isn't as groundbreaking as wavedashing. 90% of bidou is just easier ways to do already existing things.
dainxjac Interesting for sure. The problem isn't the tech. It's 99% of all Smash 4 players that try this tech. Unless you aren't a frequent player, then you have no reason to learn this tech. It fu*ks with your normal play so much that you have to fully commit.
+neonblackbeast The basics are actually really easy if you're already used to the Pro Controller. Bidou makes perfect pivots way easier, and once you get comfortable using it then you can start learning the more advanced stuff, like the techs in this video.
+Silvan Dragonight You're cramping then (or you have small hands, in which case I am genuinely sorry :P). If done correctly, you should be able to hold down the left trigger without having to apply much pressure through the muscles, leaving your left hand able to perform all the tech you want. For me, the "relaxed" holding position is when I push the shoulder button with the first joint of the finger just below the tip instead of the tip itself. I used to do that because I used to use Xbox controllers for various games, and those handle best in my opinion if you have just the tip of your finger on the triggers (there is a joke in here somewhere, but I'm too lazy...). Independently I've also started to minimize muscle movement while playing Sm4sh and just gently push the stick in whatever direction I need, essentially just pushing it out of the dead-zone so the game registers. The only erratic movement I do with the left stick is for smashes or dashing.
***** Granted, I missed some techs there for which you need some faster stick movement :D I did not think that through completely, Smash in general is a very left stick heavy game. Maybe it's just the fact that I have ingrained so many of the stick movements into my brain that I don't register them actively anymore. Perfect Pivots is an interesting one for me personally, because I am playing Marth a lot and instead of perfect pivoting for, say, a tilt or a grab I tend to use reverse up-b because it comes out faster - I wanna say frame 6 but I am not entirely sure, I haven't checked if reverse up-b and normal up-b differ - only beaten by uptitlt in some situations which comes out a frame earlier or so, but the slow travel time of the sword during uptilt means you might only be hitting around frame 10 - 12 or so if you don't space it correctly. Technically you could always jab, which is something I do not do often enough, admittedly. Marth's pivot grab is a slow one (I believe frame 9 or so?) and the range is not great, only useful for mix ups or mind games. Instead, you could always dash in and then go for either a grab or a shield or a short hop air dodge or a short hop into late back air. Or if you are bold, you can predict the roll of your opponent and go for a down air, because the travel speed of Marth's sword during down air is just slightly faster than most characters rolls, provided you face towards your opponent as he starts rolling towards you. Whoa, wall of text. Oops. TL;DR I forgot about those techs. I just don't think about my left stick movement enough anymore to be able to actively remember what I do :D
They wouldn't be able to stream Dashie. He'd get KO'd by DK and be like "REALLY DONKEY? REALLY?" and if he won he would yell "YEAH! THAT'S WHAT THE FUCK IM TALKIN' BOUT!"
+Liam Reddington Honestly, although I'll certainly respect your opinion on this, it's tech like this that makes me want to grab the Wii-U version and try learning and mastering Bidou tech. Stuff like Perfect Pivoting and other tech that Bidou makes easier to pull off in the Wii-U version utterly wrecks your 3DS's circle pad and buttons. After about a month and a half of trying to pull off perfect pivots on my 3DS, my circle pad barely moves anymore.
+Frylord McFry I don't know about that tbh left handed people actually think and react quicker by default as one half of a person's brain (the right side) is quicker than the other. They may have the advantage over us rightys.
I am really excited over the possibility that bidou tech could become the norm. I would watch way more of smash 4 than I do now. Not that I have anything against the game; I just find that the litany of movement options in melee make that matches far more interesting to watch/play
+Lewis The only way to play Melee wirelessly is through dolphin, which you can't play with a controller, and in sm4sh there is only one OP character, however in Melee 5 or 6 characters negate the entire rest of the cast
Lewis I'm not saying that people are carried by their characters, however at a high level tournament, some characters are far better than others, and are very dominant. in the meta. That's just a fact.
***** Huh, I completely didn't realize that the grab is involved and that Link has a Zair. Pretty disappointing since I main him yet I can't seem to find any uses for him to use Bidou tech efficiently
I love your Bidou vids! I'm thinking about getting a controller option with 4 shoulder buttons and practicing Bidou! Thinking it could be the boost I needed!
+(´・ω・`) I've been using it for two weeks now. I can do everything shown in the last video just not on instinct yet. Except for the crouch dash attack.
+Alfredo Sauce I've been sort of using it, I've been implementing c-stick for special moves, it actually helps with ledge trump punishes. Once I can somehow figure bidou out, I should be better... unless I'm killed by a super strong back air.
+Swedish Otaku except most top players don't have the time to do it since there is no smash off season and they would rather go to a tournament and make money , then taking a risk than could potentially hinder their play. Look at ZeRo's Video he explains it pretty well
But why would a top player risk something that might not even be useful . Also top players like ZeRo and Nairo make money of smash , getting 49h at tournaments for months means they will lose some of their audience , respect and money. Also some characters have little to no use of this tech aswell.
+Illuminati Confirmed What's stopping folks who are new to the competitive scene from learning Bidou tech, though? Half the challenge of learning Bidou Tech is gone when you don't have to erase Gamecube controls from your muscle memory, meaning that a newer player could pick up Bidou and learn how to play with Bidou controls while learning the basic game mechanics as well. ZeRo, Nairo, and other ultra-competitive Sm4sh players may be the big names in the meta right now, but that doesn't mean they are, were, or will always be the only names in the meta right now. The meta adapts and evolves all the time, and as it evolves and adapts, new names enter the competitive scene. All it takes is one or two of those new names to completely master Bidou to change the name of the game forever.
Ive been thinking about switching my main to Fox because i always loved how technical he can be. Now look at how much he gains from this. I might try to rewrite all my smash muscle memory to use this.
Perhaps this will be the perfect thing for a melee player looking to start playing smash 4, because it allows for movement that is a lot more like in melee.
Another thing: You can do an "Advanced Foxtrott". Simply flick the one stick in one direction, and the other in the same direction. Rince and repeat. This isnt much useful, but hey, it looks funnny^^
This makes me sad. One of the reasons I liked smash 4 so much was that it was competitive without having to rely on melee-like techniques. But I am willing to change my mind and practice it.
I play melee, and while Melee is faster, executing pp crouch while Bidou Sticking is like 10x harder to do consistently than wavedashing and L-Canceling
How do I perfect pivot forward into a turnaround D-tilt with Bidou? For example, approaching with Mario, using a perfect pivot to approach with a D-tilt
[Analysis] Will Bidoof Tech change the meta in Smash and Pokemon?
bidoof already changed the pokemon meta, a youtuber called pimpnite used a full 6 bidoof team
*Budew
+EdgarL26 Wrong pokemon.
+Emmanuel Desir Bibarrel
+Emmanuel Desir Depends. Is Moody still banned?
The day someone styles hard using Bidou at a large Nationals Tournament is the day Smash 4 changes forever
***** And that's how it'll all start from there
5 years later and the only person to use bidou was esam
RIP 3DS users
ikr ;-;
+Reuel Teesdale 3DS users just gotta go full smart reads and safe play
+Anarchy Gaming Not really
Going to best buy to buy a Wii U
+Reuel Teesdale So true. I don't even have any DLC yet. Guess I'll just wait for NX.
Screw that dude no one's "Bidou'd out". Keep making more of these, I love watching people utilize this insane tech skill even if me and most other people will never be to.
Thank you for showing Duck Hunt actually doing something instead of getting bodied lmao.
So would you say this is your last...
Bideo?
what
+sebmark222 thx mate
SAAANS
+Arson Bjork FUCK
+Arson Bjork Lol Arson you're too funny dude
"You need to turn Attack + Special Smash attack off" Ha! No worries it's not like anyone uses that
i just recently started to on my reg gamecube controller setup, it actually cuts down on misinputs a ton.
+Dan X why don't you stop sucking and not misinput
jk
+Biruh Haptu gotta go fast
+Flaminginferno I do actually. It's a lot easier than using the C stick when trying to smash in the opposite direction you were running.
+Flaminginferno Just you wait...
1:56 "Here are all the characters that get their crouching perfect pivots sped up"
Ah, yes. Sword and Fist. My two mains as well as my best position.
I really wanna see this kinda stuff in tournaments, these new movement options are so sick!
I really want to see a high level match with 2 bidou players
+Kaioken_ at one of the latest VGBootcamp there was a Fox player who uses Bidou... he almost JV4 a ZSS
+DraKonX010 Really? what is his tag?
+DraKonX010 I wanna know too
+DraKonX010 Link pls
+Stocke he's joking lol, VGbootcamp don't have smash tournaments with 3 stocks.
I see the characters moving like this, and I can't help but think that if the characters were sentient, they'd be like "What in the fuck is happening to me? I can't see a thing. I keep turning around really fast. I didn't know my body was capable of breaking the laws of physics like that". Well, in addition to whatever else they'd be thinking like "Why are my fists/weapons not leaving any visible damage?" and "Why the fuck am I here and who is this?" "Why do people keep exploding when they go a certain distance away?"
Hold up... "one of which allows the second joystick to be set to Smash Attack?"
I'm listening.
+MockRock - Smash Bros, Pokken, and More that's all i'm interested in
Instead of Special-Stick while holding down special and A+B off, you have Smash-Stick while holding down both attack and special with A+B on.
2:20 Look at the nametag, lmao
My Bidou experiment tag is Bidouf
+Arga Wala Thing *Budew
When he played on For Glory (yes, he has a Twitch) that's what he left the tag as
+TommySN
bidoof the hm slave is now the bidou slave
+TommySN Reference to SNAFU maybe?
hey thanks for the credit on platform shield dropping into fast falls! :D
You're welcome
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hey. quick question. does bidou work for brawl
I only know for sure if it works on PM, I can't comment on brawl though
and we are still waiting for the bidou messiah...
true
8 swords man...
Fantastic work to whoever found this stuff out.
I can see it slowly being implemented over the years as players get more and more used to trying it out.
NOW WAVEDASHING COMFIRED!!!
GUYS I THINK MELEE HD IS ALREADY HERE!!!
+Ferocious Gherkin lol
+Ferocious Gherkin just play Bayonetta... ahaha.....
+Ferocious Gherkin bayonetta
+Christoffer113 I find Bayonetta combos quite silly, why would you want to be able to just sit there and knock people around with them having no way to defend themselves over actually outplaying them to rack up damage?
+Christoffer113 oh no they can get away if we fail to read their choice theres also smash di, even the shine bair can be avoided with the right timing.
the thing is L cancel raises the skill ceiling by a lot allowing us to do faster follow ups and by extention of our own reads combos
Alright, now to try this on a wiimote!
Oh....nevermind
It's about time we bugged smash 4 enough to make it melee.
+teh EPICATOR fun*
+20 SECONDS no pichu,no snake,no Easy star/screen ko,no ice climbers,no fourside,No brawl sonic voice,crazy combos,no falco clone moves and melee shine,no ganandorf clone moves. ;_;
+shakira Nunez Pichu ;_;
+teh EPICATOR It's not a bug
+shakira Nunez Lol, Melee didn't have snake.
It's like melee tech development all over again....
I HOPE THIS CATCHES ON, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES
don't give up on bidou, it's an amazing control scheme and has some interesting potential
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MySmashCorner, I think I can speak for all of us when I say: thank you. You are great at explaining tech, and have amazing quality in your videos, ultimately making your content amazing. You have helped me and so many other people with your videos, and I really appreciate that. Keep it up!
I'm not sure if you take video requests or not, but as a suggestion, do a Greninja Combo/Tricks video. You mentioned in your Q and A video that you think Greninja is Top 5 (not sure if you still believe that, but that does say something about the character), and how once someone breaks through with him, he'll be more of a threat. With iStudying recently getting to Grand Finals at Beast6, I feel like this is the perfect time to make a combo guide for him, to prove how powerful of a character he is. After all, your videos do get a lot of publicity, so it could spread information to the Smash community. I don't want it to seem like I'm bugging you about this, but it would be really cool to see a video on the topic
+1UP Arcade Agree, and greninja seems to be one of the best crowd pleasers too. He always seem to get the most hype when played well at tournaments and he is very fun to watch
The second toon link wall jump at 2:10 example thing was savage XD
New patch: Fox can jump out from his reflector
Then we'll Have the so anticipated Melee HD
No we won't
Actually for those of you who are wondering, even though I doubt it, for those that use characters with the ability to conjure items , the dashing z drop is still possible without the bidou , bidou actually makes it slightly easier just like most of the other tech like dash dancing etc, just had to test it out as a mega main, nice vid +MySmashCorner we'll done as usual
Are you talking about the ledge trump z-drop? If so, I was wondering if there was a way to do it without BIDOU
Blaze Animations Yes im talking exactly about that
Blaze Animations The thing is about it , you have to be extremely fast about the inputs
What are the inputs? Are they the same?
(Tap Dash)>Immediate Z drop>Wall Jump>Aerial( Ledge grab isnt always 100%)
I'll never use bidou but just watching what options it gives you it already cool as it is so I don't really mind seeing more bidou related content.
2:45 that knee was enough for me to start using Bidou
Bidoof is the future, Bidoof is the way. #Bidoof2KXX
2:08 well played friend, well played
Do you think that Bidou will become the standard control scheme in competive play?
*competitive
+Roy The young Lion It'll take a while, years even, but probably
+Roy The young Lion depends on char, for example fox needs c-stick set to attack but other characters can use bidou very well for example sheik
+Roy The young Lion To early to say, but I'm pretty sure it won't be since way too many people are used to the controls of melee.
+Roy The young Lion In the year 20XX
that fox lookin like some wave dashing, bidou is gonna make sm4sh so much more competitive
+Kyle P. Smash is already a full-fledged, competitive game
i didnt say it wasnt already, im saying that the competitive scene might surpass melee with bidou
Can you talk about the pros and cons of different control schemes, not bidou? tap jump vs no-tap jump, different shoulder button configurations, specials, etc?
C-stick smashes vs tilts
+William Tannery Yes! I've really wanted to know since everyone I ask just say "no tap jump is better" and don't go into detail
+RoselaSinclaire Tap jump mostly just messes up things that use up directional inputs while on the ground. Up tilts become way harder to do quickly. Jumping out of shield instead of tilting the shield upward becomes much more common, and is often unintentional, when tap jump is on. Even up smash would be fucked if it weren't for the jump-squat mechanics, which were actually implemented with tap jump in mind.
And that's why tons of people prefer turning it off. I used to be a bit of an advocate for having it on myself, since that just made sense to me when I was younger. But then I got an understanding of how tilt moves can be helpful, as well as staying on the ground. And then tap-jump was just a hindrance.
+William Tannery he's just uploaded a video of that :) (sorry if you've already seen it and I've wasted your time haha)
+lee wood yup - I'm assuming he saw my comment and thought it was a good idea. Or maybe he already had it planned? Idk
keep. exploring. this tech. This is fucking phenomenal.
You know what I really want to see, though? Do a livestream or youtube vid of you going on for glory and see how bidou works in wifi.
I've been practicing bidou since my smash corner first put out the video of it and its honestly not too difficult to perform these techniques. Of course I haven't mastered all of them but the more practical ones are very useful like sliding spot dodge, dash dance, perfect pivots etc.. just don't try using bidou online because sometimes the lag won't read your inputs lmao
+iStorm Blaze Using which controller? Just wonderin'
Cap'n K I use the pro controller. I was going to originally use the gamecube controller but it felt really awkward since the c stick is kinda small and you can lose your grip
I should probably try the Pro Controller then, to get the best use out of Bidou. Thanks
I'd love to hear more about bidou from you. Greatly enjoying these videos.
Where do I get hands capable of performing these
ask m2k
ask hax$
The whole point of Bidou is to make these things piss easy.
+bootpilot Yep, you just need two fingers and two joysticks (or theoretically a Joystick + D-pad, go Wiichucks!) that input in directions.
It's not that hard to get used to the controls and perform the techs.
It's similar to Wavedashing in the sense that the hard part is applying it into battles.
Every time I watch these Smash corner videos I just have this feeling like, I wanna do that.
+The Redstone Regime but then you pick up a controller and your like.... this isnt.... GG
I still doubt this is going to go any where
I know right I mean there may be the one dude who will do better with it although I feel like its to convuluted for using under pressure
+ZettaSlow You need to practice for months to actually get good at it too
chillindude said the same thing about wavedashing in the early days of melee.
+Ime058 Only because smash4 players are lazy.
+Ime058 All i hear is that tr4sh are too lazy to learn actual tech skill.
Seeing that Duck Hunt combo at the end almost made me consider this control scheme
2:45 look at falcons name tag
Bidoof the Pokémon lol
Jesus christ, that fox perfect pivot crouch is insanity
20XX is unavoidable
i for one think that bido is the thing that will bring comp sm4sh into the same area as melee, melee will still be superior but this will make sm4sh so much more interesting
Only for the super tryhards that would spend a few years trying
+KimbitCake *is what everyone said when wavedashing was discovered in melee
+Melkimund Except no one whose relevant is using Bidou. You might find some random kid placing last at a local with it, but that's about it.
+BoredOfYou how fast did oyu expect this to be implemented it will probably take at least a year for this to sink in. people said the same thing about wavedashing in melee initially.
ubadman1 And Melee wouldn't be that different without wavedashing anyway, it really only adds another spacing method (it already had effective dashdancing), a way to grab ledge, and waveshining. The difference is, bidou isn't as groundbreaking as wavedashing. 90% of bidou is just easier ways to do already existing things.
i really hope this becomes the meta. it would be really entertaining to watch people who have mastered this tech go head-to-head
I don't play sm4sh but this is amazing!
i honestly like watching ur videos more then the game its self
since when can anyone become bidou'd out from 2 videos on it? I'd love more vids about bidou!
+dainxjac Everyone who thinks bidou is overrated or is uninterested
+LamboJ20 Or so difficult that they won't ever try since this tech is so difficult to get used to that it will mess up normal play.
***** i think this tech is incredibly overwhelming, but none the less interesting as hell. That's only me, though.
dainxjac Interesting for sure. The problem isn't the tech. It's 99% of all Smash 4 players that try this tech. Unless you aren't a frequent player, then you have no reason to learn this tech. It fu*ks with your normal play so much that you have to fully commit.
You should have mention that the legless ledge get-up is much easier with Bidou
MELEE BOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!
MELEE HD IS HERE
WOO
Please don't trigger SSBM fanboys. They'll bite our penises off.
This offended me
I'll never be able to pee again. 0_0
This is really game changing. Its only a matter of time when someone masters this stuff. Its unbelievable
Fuck that! I can never be able to do any of this shit😂🔫
😂😂😂 ikr
+neonblackbeast The basics are actually really easy if you're already used to the Pro Controller. Bidou makes perfect pivots way easier, and once you get comfortable using it then you can start learning the more advanced stuff, like the techs in this video.
+Silvan Dragonight You're cramping then (or you have small hands, in which case I am genuinely sorry :P). If done correctly, you should be able to hold down the left trigger without having to apply much pressure through the muscles, leaving your left hand able to perform all the tech you want.
For me, the "relaxed" holding position is when I push the shoulder button with the first joint of the finger just below the tip instead of the tip itself. I used to do that because I used to use Xbox controllers for various games, and those handle best in my opinion if you have just the tip of your finger on the triggers (there is a joke in here somewhere, but I'm too lazy...).
Independently I've also started to minimize muscle movement while playing Sm4sh and just gently push the stick in whatever direction I need, essentially just pushing it out of the dead-zone so the game registers. The only erratic movement I do with the left stick is for smashes or dashing.
***** Granted, I missed some techs there for which you need some faster stick movement :D
I did not think that through completely, Smash in general is a very left stick heavy game. Maybe it's just the fact that I have ingrained so many of the stick movements into my brain that I don't register them actively anymore.
Perfect Pivots is an interesting one for me personally, because I am playing Marth a lot and instead of perfect pivoting for, say, a tilt or a grab I tend to use reverse up-b because it comes out faster - I wanna say frame 6 but I am not entirely sure, I haven't checked if reverse up-b and normal up-b differ - only beaten by uptitlt in some situations which comes out a frame earlier or so, but the slow travel time of the sword during uptilt means you might only be hitting around frame 10 - 12 or so if you don't space it correctly.
Technically you could always jab, which is something I do not do often enough, admittedly.
Marth's pivot grab is a slow one (I believe frame 9 or so?) and the range is not great, only useful for mix ups or mind games. Instead, you could always dash in and then go for either a grab or a shield or a short hop air dodge or a short hop into late back air. Or if you are bold, you can predict the roll of your opponent and go for a down air, because the travel speed of Marth's sword during down air is just slightly faster than most characters rolls, provided you face towards your opponent as he starts rolling towards you.
Whoa, wall of text. Oops.
TL;DR I forgot about those techs. I just don't think about my left stick movement enough anymore to be able to actively remember what I do :D
So glad people are discovering ways to make this game more complex.
Poor DK gets beat up by My Smash Corner AND That Smash 4 Modder
+WSFpower Dashie is behind this.
+TheBlueJalt 19 Donkey Bitch Ass. Yet, for all him hating DK, Dashie always wins when he picks DK in Smash and Mario Kart.
***** Nah he would main diddy.
Then beat DK with his own nephew.
They wouldn't be able to stream Dashie. He'd get KO'd by DK and be like "REALLY DONKEY? REALLY?" and if he won he would yell "YEAH! THAT'S WHAT THE FUCK IM TALKIN' BOUT!"
MasterHand0001 Nah he would just zoom up the camera and have 20 secs of silence.
Still probably never going to devote myself to learning this tech xD
I hate that I can never do anything in these videos
You just have to grind it out and begin the learning process.
that spot at 2:25 i was all like HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!!!!
That's it. I'm going back to the simpler easy game. Melee.
oh my god, you used the bidoof tag on that captain falcon example!
How could anyone be "Bidou'd out"?
I'm a 3DS player and I love to marvel at this stuff I can't do. If you made 100 more videos on this, I would love it. I'm only one guy though.
+Avo 8bit You're not alone my dear.
+Alchemist 3DS competitive users know that we can't do that ;-;
too hard to do for me I'm not invested enough in smash to learn it
Holy shit, an advanced Smash tech that actually includes DEDEDE?
The meta game is all about bidou now. Tier lists are obsolete.
The year is 20XX
+StarShade people play fox to tas levels of perfection
This got everyone like minions screaming "bee do bee do bee do!"
Just make a Palutena video please.
cant wait for the smash stick setup
It's pretty hard. You have to hold both attack and special with a+b smash attack on.
I feel like the only person who would rather play the 3DS version because of exploits like this. It just makes me want to avoid the Wii U version.
git gud
I'd rather just play the game casually. Just not for me.
+Liam Reddington Honestly, although I'll certainly respect your opinion on this, it's tech like this that makes me want to grab the Wii-U version and try learning and mastering Bidou tech.
Stuff like Perfect Pivoting and other tech that Bidou makes easier to pull off in the Wii-U version utterly wrecks your 3DS's circle pad and buttons. After about a month and a half of trying to pull off perfect pivots on my 3DS, my circle pad barely moves anymore.
+Liam Reddington Don't worry, nobody's actually using it.
@5:34 "One of [the control schemes] which even allows a second joystick to be set to Smash Attack."
Bidou on NEW 3DS confirmed ^_^
RIP left handed players
+Frylord McFry I don't know about that tbh left handed people actually think and react quicker by default as one half of a person's brain (the right side) is quicker than the other. They may have the advantage over us rightys.
+Memo You know right brain left brain might not actually be thing right?
I am really excited over the possibility that bidou tech could become the norm. I would watch way more of smash 4 than I do now. Not that I have anything against the game; I just find that the litany of movement options in melee make that matches far more interesting to watch/play
yeah smash 4 is more of a mind game while
melee is flashy, thus more enjoyable to watch
Why not just play melee at this point??
Oh idk, better graphics, wireless play, more character variety, way better balancing. Melee is great, but don't take a shit on sm4sh for no reason
+Lewis The only way to play Melee wirelessly is through dolphin, which you can't play with a controller, and in sm4sh there is only one OP character, however in Melee 5 or 6 characters negate the entire rest of the cast
Lewis I'm not saying that people are carried by their characters, however at a high level tournament, some characters are far better than others, and are very dominant. in the meta. That's just a fact.
+Lewis he means wireless as in wifi, very dumb way to say it@noah of course you can use a controller in dolphin lol
ReviewRapeUSA Really? I'm pretty sure you're forced to use a keyboard.
This "Item Drop Ledge Trump" technique seems extremely useful for characters with special throwing projectiles such as Link and PacMan
***** Huh, I completely didn't realize that the grab is involved and that Link has a Zair. Pretty disappointing since I main him yet I can't seem to find any uses for him to use Bidou tech efficiently
1 like = tips and combos for dedede, MAKE IT A VIDEO ALREADY
I love your Bidou vids! I'm thinking about getting a controller option with 4 shoulder buttons and practicing Bidou! Thinking it could be the boost I needed!
be honest fam is anybody actually using bidou
+(´・ω・`) Converted this week
Clearly too new to say I'm proficient at it yet though it's not incredibly hard
+(´・ω・`) I've been using it for two weeks now. I can do everything shown in the last video just not on instinct yet. Except for the crouch dash attack.
+Alfredo Sauce I've been sort of using it, I've been implementing c-stick for special moves, it actually helps with ledge trump punishes. Once I can somehow figure bidou out, I should be better... unless I'm killed by a super strong back air.
Kyle CH NICE BACK AIR
despite it probably not happening, I hope this is used in tournaments, it's just so interesting and different
I promise that bidou will make no real impact on the game.
Just like wavedash.
+Swedish Otaku except most top players don't have the time to do it since there is no smash off season and they would rather go to a tournament and make money , then taking a risk than could potentially hinder their play. Look at ZeRo's Video he explains it pretty well
But why would a top player risk something that might not even be useful . Also top players like ZeRo and Nairo make money of smash , getting 49h at tournaments for months means they will lose some of their audience , respect and money. Also some characters have little to no use of this tech aswell.
+Illuminati Confirmed What's stopping folks who are new to the competitive scene from learning Bidou tech, though? Half the challenge of learning Bidou Tech is gone when you don't have to erase Gamecube controls from your muscle memory, meaning that a newer player could pick up Bidou and learn how to play with Bidou controls while learning the basic game mechanics as well.
ZeRo, Nairo, and other ultra-competitive Sm4sh players may be the big names in the meta right now, but that doesn't mean they are, were, or will always be the only names in the meta right now. The meta adapts and evolves all the time, and as it evolves and adapts, new names enter the competitive scene. All it takes is one or two of those new names to completely master Bidou to change the name of the game forever.
this is insane! props to you guys
This is going to ruin smash.
+SirAero How?
+Link Is The Memer he has a troll face as a profile pic, ignore him.
This is so game changing I can't even fathom how people are brushing this off.
+Boarky its really not. its very situational and is only good for gimmicks
***** Perfect dash dances alone with characters like Cloud make this worth.
That peach item drop. It fucking blew my mind.
i cant wait for someone to use this in tournament
Great video as always ambrose
Ive been thinking about switching my main to Fox because i always loved how technical he can be. Now look at how much he gains from this. I might try to rewrite all my smash muscle memory to use this.
+Marisa Nya It's happening
+William Larsson nah... the year is 5.99
I'm a fox main and he's so fun to play. He can do a lot of fun things with up tilt up air and fair drags.
Perhaps this will be the perfect thing for a melee player looking to start playing smash 4, because it allows for movement that is a lot more like in melee.
Another thing: You can do an "Advanced Foxtrott". Simply flick the one stick in one direction, and the other in the same direction. Rince and repeat. This isnt much useful, but hey, it looks funnny^^
Well, not an advanced. Sorry
This makes me sad. One of the reasons I liked smash 4 so much was that it was competitive without having to rely on melee-like techniques. But I am willing to change my mind and practice it.
I think this is a good thing honestly. It just makes higher level play more complex and hopefully it makes the Melee elitists shut up
Mysmashcorner, you are legendary.
When Sm4sh is getting more technical than Melee
I play melee, and while Melee is faster, executing pp crouch while Bidou Sticking is like 10x harder to do consistently than wavedashing and L-Canceling
Can't wait for the next video to be uploaded XD
And people said melee revolves around the unintended breaking of the game's mechanics :^)
I can't wait to see this being used in tournaments to pull off some crazy sh*t.
How do I perfect pivot forward into a turnaround D-tilt with Bidou? For example, approaching with Mario, using a perfect pivot to approach with a D-tilt
Please post more Bidou tech. I'm super interested in knowing all you can do with it. (even tho ill never even make it at a competitive level)
I can't wait to try this.
Keep the bidou videos coming and maybe I'll get good enough at it to stop losing to For Glory Scrubs when I use it👍🏻
I think once the other video is out, I'll try to work my Bidoof skills.
I saw that Bidoof tag you clever rascals