Wow, they are frustratingly hard work. Gman in particular; the dunning kruger effect is strong in that one. Brett Keane I suspect knows his own ineptitude, but has the misplaced confidence to think he can bluff it. Hats off to you for staying calm. Not sure I could.
You deserve great credit, fsx, for having the patience to try explaining anything to these people. Given their intelligence levels, they would likely have a hard time to understand _anything_ you try to explain to them but, given that they have already made their minds up to resist taking in any information which provides good evidence for evolution, the task becomes virtually impossible to complete.
+Terry Smith oh come on.. 8 people built a ship out of wood and had 2 of every animal on there, no ballast, no ventilation system, enough food that didn't spoil some how, being able to clean up after all those animals by 8 people, no leaks in the ship, and that doesn't make sense to you? Oh, yeah, you're right, it is nuts lol.
Gman may act like he does not understand that the only difference between micro and macro evolution is time, but he certainly does. He knows those changes take hundreds of thousands of generations over a span of millions of years, but he wants to see it in 5 or ten minutes, live on the kitchen table so he does not miss a meal. Gman is just being dishonest by designing his question to be illogical, humans don't live long enough to see what he demands to see in front of him in real time. He is well aware we can prove macroevolution occurs by evidence left behind by the process, meaning we don't need to see it happen, we have the fingerprints and so know that it did. He is also handicapped by poor English and lack of research in science. When he says he wants to see a dog "become" a non-dog, what he means is he wants to see something we can agree is a water breathing, swimming fish have descendants, on a schedule convenient for him, that quickly developed lungs to breathe air, and legs to walk on. He wants to sit and watch this happen in front of his eyes, what he terms "observable". But what a scientist calls observable would be something like the fossil tiktaalik, that has attributes of both fish and air breathing animal. Gman is just designing bad questions on purpose to promote Creationism, which is the opposite of science. And if he can just find ONE tiny gap in our knowledge, he thinks evolution will come crumbling down and therefore talking snakes, virgin births and a magical Jewish zombie carpenter is real. As if.
Fsx23. I just saw your video. From 3 years ago. Excellent job. These people don't understand what you are talking about. They appear to lack ecucation.
You can't ever become a non-bear if bear is in your lineage. Birds are dinosaurs, but dinosaurs aren't birds. Retro-virus inheritance is incontrovertible. These guys are clueless! Especially the "I (heart) Jesus" hat guy.
Keane isn't a creationist. He's a manipulator who appears to suffer from narcissistic personality disorder and who I am starting to suspect might also be somewhere on the Autistic spectrum. Please ignore him.
Here's a question for you G Man : After how many generations do your descendants stop being your descendants? Now if you insist that it's a malformed question, then your "canine becoming non canine" question is malformed too. (reference: set theory)
+fsx23- I swear the only possible answer for "observable evidence" for macro evolution (I'm guessing he meant that he could observe) is none because you don't live long enough
Good on you fsx for having that kind of patience to try and explain anything to them. It felt as if they were actively trying to remain ignorant, wilfully. I picked up on a lot of projection coming from Gman as well. He constantly tried to get you to admit that it requires faith to "believe" in evolution. I liked the example you gave and, once again, hats off for such a great effort. Indoctrination is a powerful thing.
I think the only way to deal with someone like GMan is to pause after every single sentence and ask him to confirm what you said. He can drone things out any other way.
Damn creationists fully follow that old adage. "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance; baffle them with bullshit". They just REFUSE to understand because if they did then their side loses.
I don't know how you keep your temper with these people. If it isn't gman condescending to you it's Brett pretending not to understand what your saying in order to avoid giving you an answer. Hats off to you FSX for putting up with their ignorance and stupidity.
Congratulations on curb-stomping G Man and his gang. MRI scans, the whale pelvis, How many generations since Adam and Eve?, belief is not evidence... Total destruction on several fronts. I enjoyed it tremendously. Oh, and Shannon's meltdown toward the 3 hour mark was a fine example of subjectivity.
Creationist demand greater evidence thin there ability to provide. They demand to see an animal change into another. I demand to see a human come to life from dirt in the same way they expect to see an animal change into another.
Why is Brett talking about sentience? What does that have to do with evolution? Sentience is not a necessary component of evolution. Where do they get this stuff?
-Doesn't understand what an E.R.V. is. Nor how E.R.V.s relate to common descent. -Obliviously continues with scripted argument about D.N.A. -Uses the nonsense word _kind_ when talking about taxonomy -Still thinks he can condescend 0:51 And that is all before the first minute of the video, this video is amazing.
Wow!! You hit it on the head. "The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to ametacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.[1] Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding." Nice observation! Thanks
You know what FSX? If you're a layman, which I assume you are, you are exceptionally good at explaining scientific concepts. Also, wtf was brett on about with viruses non being sentient?
When does a man go from a full head of hair to balding to bald? The simple fact is that many boundary cases aren't clearly defined - in many cases, species included, they _can't_ be clearly defined. That doesn't mean we can't tell a bear from a non-bear, nor does it disprove anything, much less evolution.
G Man didn't listen to the explanation about how carnivores diversified and went on to say that saying how lions, bears and dogs, have a common carnivore ancestor, is the same thing as saying that humans are still bananas, which is a false comparison, the accurate relationship that humans and bananas share is that they are both eukaryotes.
What does the sentience or non-sentience of a virus have at all to do with whether or not a virus is capable of altering a DNA sequence? This argument doesn't make sense to me.
What I don't understand is how these creationists can reject evolution while obviously not having done any research to see how valid the theory is. They apparently don't have the first clue what they're talking about. Almost all of the questions, challenges, criticisms, and even the mocking showed they need to read about evolution from reliable resources rather than creationist websites.
ERV's are now known to have function. Secondly, it is very improbable that these ERV's would be able to fit themselves into just the right position in our genome to give them very important functions. Lastly, apoptosis should have rid the majority of these ERV's if the interpretation provided by the evolutionary community is true. Whether or not these ERV's are a weakness in the system, or deliberate design, they are NOT evidence for pond-scum-to-people evolution. I agree, GMAN should have been prepared with an answer to this.
Species diverge from genetic drift due to environmental circumstances. The strongest "kinds" survive and the others die off, over thousands of generations what remains doesn't resemble what began. if you consider how many generations procreate per million years, and how many millions of years the Earth has been around, its not hard to understand how evolution happened at all.
Kudos for your efforts, but engaging with idiots using anything even remotely related to science is only feeding into their stupidity. The more you try to explain to them, the more stupid they have to get in order to respond.
hi fsx. are you aware about the fact that a lots of ervs are actually functional? this fact alone refute the claim that their insertion into the genome isnt random at all. another problem is that retrovirus also can "infacted" by the host (like in the src gene case). so its possible that those retrovirus evolved from the host and not the other way.
Gman's, "when was man a banana question" is asking is so dumb is asking, when was I directly descended from my own cousin. The answer is never, but that doesn't meant we are not related. To be fair to Gman, while his banana question was stupid...I think he is still a mindless vegetable:)
Evolution doesn't work as "one kind into another." Evolution works through speciation, so an organism never leaves its lineage. To claim that evolution is a "change in kinds" is dishonest and needs to be called out as such.
G Man wants to see (with his own eyes) a dog turn into someone that isn't a dog? Well, I guess evolution is magic to people who don't actually understand the first thing about evolution.
answer question....get asked same question again...answer question again...then get told you won't answer the question...so get asked same question again.show evidence mountains of evidence ..only response ok other than that what evidence do you have,
3 years later and not a single one these creationists understand the retrovirus argument and how it shows common descent. That was flipping frustrating. I wanted to punch my phone
Facts? LMAO the facts that come from a Book that supposedly came from a God that they have No Proof exists they are taking the word of 12 people that they can not Prove existed that is in a Book that was Printed by man that said Book states over and over we are bad people that we can't do nothing good and the good we do is Not good enough? LMAO what a fucking Joke the argument Gman stated just described what fsx said that Gman said was not provable
The last time I watched this and commented I missed something big after Gman asked for observable evidence for Macro evolution, you should have asked him to explain what the difference is between micro and macro evolution.You see the only difference is time the mechanics that allow micro evolution are exactly the same for macro therefore he already excepts macro evolution it's his understanding of it that's wrong no where in the evolutionary theory does it say a dog can become a non dog.
lol Gman. This is the guy who claimed that 1 day while living with a relative who was on the brink of eviction said he asked friends and family with no results for help with money needed to get an apartment that he walked outside 1 day to find a safe with 3 thousand dollars in it that was sent from god and thats what made him a christian. But when asked why doesnt god help starving children in Africa he answered he does but mankind does not allow it to happeen? That its somehow intercepted. Typical christian reasoning. Lets move the goal post cause it does not support my claim.
Make it simple. Debate me one-on-one. I'll be glad to help you learn from the mistake of thinking you can use evolutionism as an excuse for denying your Creator!
***** JD let's test that. I challenge you to debate me one-on-one in Skype. Let's see if you can stand on your own two feet in a debate without your atheist friends being involved. Accept my challenge?
***** With only you and I present, a Google hangout is just fine! However, if you invite a single friend to enter the hangout, you will have made yourself dishonest and the debate is over and you will have chickened out. Therefore I will host the hangout and nobody will be allowed to enter. Not one person may be allowed to enter. How about this Monday evening? How about 8:00pm Central Time? I don't know what time zone you are in.
***** Just you and me. No moderator, nobody to interject or interrupt us, nobody to play games with buttons. If you can't agree to that you are just looking for an excuse to not debate.
I always wonder maybe sfx23 can help me here since he knows gman on more personal level than I do, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic by any means, but is gman one of those charlatans who looks at people like sye ten and the banana man and sees potential financial gain in pretending like they don't understand evolution, and distort into some type of a faith position. I guess my question is, is gman a self aware snake oils man or he is really convinced that his arguments are in a realm of sanity. Let me know what you think because I really have hard time wrapping my head around and convincing my self that people can actually be this stupid.
I can't understand why the fundamentalist Christians so vehemently joust against evolution? What about it so conflicts with their magical creator beliefs? It seems to me they'd just claim their God does evolution, just take credit for it like they do everything else!
That's what non-fundamentalists do, But fundamentalists can't because they believe the Bible to be literal truth. So man and all other animals must be separate creations, because the Bible says so.
I sincerely don't know why (how?) you keep trying with some people. On one level there has to be a bit of humor involved to watch people so ignorant of facts to claim they know things they clearly don't. But it also must get tiresome.
Are you actually asking people to show you the process Macroevolution, which happens gradually over say 200,000 years, in YOUR small lifetime? What does that tell people about your intelligence? Wouldn't it be easier to prove to you how mountains form and later are gradually eroded by having you sit and watch them for a few million years? So yeah you might need FAITH to know how mountains form if that's how poorly you reason. good luck on your adventure
Wow, they are frustratingly hard work. Gman in particular; the dunning kruger effect is strong in that one. Brett Keane I suspect knows his own ineptitude, but has the misplaced confidence to think he can bluff it. Hats off to you for staying calm. Not sure I could.
The amount of patience in this video...
Although this was horrifyingly annoying in places, it was also very entertaining. Thanks for posting. I look forward to more from you.
A room full of people, but the only one there with a fully functional brain was fsx23.
You deserve great credit, fsx, for having the patience to try explaining anything to these people. Given their intelligence levels, they would likely have a hard time to understand _anything_ you try to explain to them but, given that they have already made their minds up to resist taking in any information which provides good evidence for evolution, the task becomes virtually impossible to complete.
G Man have you watched the new movie *Noah* (worst science fiction of all time) ?
Talk about needing FAITH...wow!
+Terry Smith oh come on.. 8 people built a ship out of wood and had 2 of every animal on there, no ballast, no ventilation system, enough food that didn't spoil some how, being able to clean up after all those animals by 8 people, no leaks in the ship, and that doesn't make sense to you? Oh, yeah, you're right, it is nuts lol.
Great job man
Gman may act like he does not understand that the only difference between micro and macro evolution is time, but he certainly does. He knows those changes take hundreds of thousands of generations over a span of millions of years, but he wants to see it in 5 or ten minutes, live on the kitchen table so he does not miss a meal.
Gman is just being dishonest by designing his question to be illogical, humans don't live long enough to see what he demands to see in front of him in real time. He is well aware we can prove macroevolution occurs by evidence left behind by the process, meaning we don't need to see it happen, we have the fingerprints and so know that it did.
He is also handicapped by poor English and lack of research in science. When he says he wants to see a dog "become" a non-dog, what he means is he wants to see something we can agree is a water breathing, swimming fish have descendants, on a schedule convenient for him, that quickly developed lungs to breathe air, and legs to walk on. He wants to sit and watch this happen in front of his eyes, what he terms "observable". But what a scientist calls observable would be something like the fossil tiktaalik, that has attributes of both fish and air breathing animal.
Gman is just designing bad questions on purpose to promote Creationism, which is the opposite of science. And if he can just find ONE tiny gap in our knowledge, he thinks evolution will come crumbling down and therefore talking snakes, virgin births and a magical Jewish zombie carpenter is real. As if.
brett keane and gman debating about things that they don't know. idk if I should laugh or cry.
I don't have the patience necessary to do something like this.
Fsx23. I just saw your video. From 3 years ago. Excellent job. These people don't understand what you are talking about. They appear to lack ecucation.
Good job man.
The next time you debate these guys, or anyone else in a group hangout, I'd like to attend as a backup. "Put me in, coach! Lemmie at 'em!"
Amazing patience.
Amazing. Those creationists didn't understand a word of what fsx23 said. It's like he was talking to a wall.
I've always heard about those retro-viruses, but never really knew what they were. That's really interesting stuff.
You can't ever become a non-bear if bear is in your lineage. Birds are dinosaurs, but dinosaurs aren't birds. Retro-virus inheritance is incontrovertible. These guys are clueless! Especially the "I (heart) Jesus" hat guy.
Keane isn't a creationist. He's a manipulator who appears to suffer from narcissistic personality disorder and who I am starting to suspect might also be somewhere on the Autistic spectrum. Please ignore him.
Here's a question for you G Man : After how many generations do your descendants stop being your descendants?
Now if you insist that it's a malformed question, then your "canine becoming non canine" question is malformed too. (reference: set theory)
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+fsx23- I swear the only possible answer for "observable evidence" for macro evolution (I'm guessing he meant that he could observe) is none because you don't live long enough
They kept interrupting you to prevent you from getting your point out... it's the only way they can convince themselves they are winning.
Oh fuck this G-man😥
It's not that they don't understand evolution. It's that they WON'T!
Good on you fsx for having that kind of patience to try and explain anything to them. It felt as if they were actively trying to remain ignorant, wilfully. I picked up on a lot of projection coming from Gman as well. He constantly tried to get you to admit that it requires faith to "believe" in evolution. I liked the example you gave and, once again, hats off for such a great effort. Indoctrination is a powerful thing.
I think the only way to deal with someone like GMan is to pause after every single sentence and ask him to confirm what you said. He can drone things out any other way.
Just wow....
Damn creationists fully follow that old adage. "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance; baffle them with bullshit". They just REFUSE to understand because if they did then their side loses.
"Pardon my ignorance, but can't you understand that fire is simply of the devil?"
Raspberry makes me pull my hair out.
I don't know how you keep your temper with these people. If it isn't gman condescending to you it's Brett pretending not to understand what your saying in order to avoid giving you an answer. Hats off to you FSX for putting up with their ignorance and stupidity.
Typically creationist tactics. try to make the other say we dont know.. HA WE GOT HIM!.. standard fallacys of creationism.
I wish I could live in the bubble that these creationists live in. Imagine not having to think, just DOING.
The level of ignorance and in this discussion fills me with fear.
5 years later and gman still doesnt answer direct refutations
10:52 again with his incredibly patronising & rude behaviour. Why people allow him to speak to them like this I don't know.
Another Banana Man creating Straw Men. I don't know about G Man these days.
Still shocked how they treated you by the end lol.
But yea, you did great fsx23. =)
With Gman, any answer that he cannot understand instantly becomes a non-answer.
He is a man-child.
Wow, they can't even understand your evidence even when you simplify it down to the level a five year old could understand.
I start the video and the first person I hear is GMan.
I've never had my eyes roll from the start of a video before. Lol.
Had to subscribe. If saints were real, you would be one sir.
Congratulations on curb-stomping G Man and his gang. MRI scans, the whale pelvis, How many generations since Adam and Eve?, belief is not evidence... Total destruction on several fronts. I enjoyed it tremendously.
Oh, and Shannon's meltdown toward the 3 hour mark was a fine example of subjectivity.
Creationist demand greater evidence thin there ability to provide. They demand to see an animal change into another. I demand to see a human come to life from dirt in the same way they expect to see an animal change into another.
Just want to point out that even if evolution was disproved, that STILL does not equate to proof that any god exists.
Oh the irony of Gman implying his words are "too big".
So so sad.
Why is Brett talking about sentience? What does that have to do with evolution?
Sentience is not a necessary component of evolution. Where do they get this stuff?
-Doesn't understand what an E.R.V. is. Nor how E.R.V.s relate to common descent.
-Obliviously continues with scripted argument about D.N.A.
-Uses the nonsense word _kind_ when talking about taxonomy
-Still thinks he can condescend 0:51
And that is all before the first minute of the video, this video is amazing.
If only they could grasp the concept you're speaking of rather than the strawman concept they heard from their creationist brethren. :(
I see the manatee was there
What the fuck is wrong with G man, he mite have one or two mental issues i'm thinking
Looks like a severe case of willful ignorance to me. I don't think that's a mental illness tho.
Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect it fits G man like a glove.
just one or two??
Wow!! You hit it on the head.
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to ametacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.[1] Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding."
Nice observation!
Thanks
But i could be wrong about that.
You know what FSX? If you're a layman, which I assume you are, you are exceptionally good at explaining scientific concepts.
Also, wtf was brett on about with viruses non being sentient?
When does a man go from a full head of hair to balding to bald? The simple fact is that many boundary cases aren't clearly defined - in many cases, species included, they _can't_ be clearly defined. That doesn't mean we can't tell a bear from a non-bear, nor does it disprove anything, much less evolution.
G Man didn't listen to the explanation about how carnivores diversified and went on to say that saying how lions, bears and dogs, have a common carnivore ancestor, is the same thing as saying that humans are still bananas, which is a false comparison, the accurate relationship that humans and bananas share is that they are both eukaryotes.
What does the sentience or non-sentience of a virus have at all to do with whether or not a virus is capable of altering a DNA sequence? This argument doesn't make sense to me.
when christians ask about evolution and observed evidence I would bring up nylon eating bacteria
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What I don't understand is how these creationists can reject evolution while obviously not having done any research to see how valid the theory is. They apparently don't have the first clue what they're talking about.
Almost all of the questions, challenges, criticisms, and even the mocking showed they need to read about evolution from reliable resources rather than creationist websites.
ERV's are now known to have function. Secondly, it is very improbable that these ERV's would be able to fit themselves into just the right position in our genome to give them very important functions. Lastly, apoptosis should have rid the majority of these ERV's if the interpretation provided by the evolutionary community is true. Whether or not these ERV's are a weakness in the system, or deliberate design, they are NOT evidence for pond-scum-to-people evolution. I agree, GMAN should have been prepared with an answer to this.
Species diverge from genetic drift due to environmental circumstances. The strongest "kinds" survive and the others die off, over thousands of generations what remains doesn't resemble what began.
if you consider how many generations procreate per million years, and how many millions of years the Earth has been around, its not hard to understand how evolution happened at all.
jesus.... you were way more charitable than i would've been.
The word "kind" is too big?
He will never understand evolution because he knows it will make sense if he does try to understand it, however this may not be intentional.
Oh, that was painful. Really, the idea of endogenous retroviruses being observable evidence for evolution isn't, really, all that complicated.
GMan is funny.
Oh my god. retroviruses breathed in? I sure as fuck hope not! ;)
Gman always wants observable evidence, unless it's for god, then it's just personal experience.
this conversation is to much intelect for G-man
Well, what can one expect from people following a religion that labels them as sheep?
Kudos for your efforts, but engaging with idiots using anything even remotely related to science is only feeding into their stupidity. The more you try to explain to them, the more stupid they have to get in order to respond.
hi fsx. are you aware about the fact that a lots of ervs are actually functional? this fact alone refute the claim that their insertion into the genome isnt random at all. another problem is that retrovirus also can "infacted" by the host (like in the src gene case). so its possible that those retrovirus evolved from the host and not the other way.
Gman's, "when was man a banana question" is asking is so dumb is asking, when was I directly descended from my own cousin. The answer is never, but that doesn't meant we are not related.
To be fair to Gman, while his banana question was stupid...I think he is still a mindless vegetable:)
Fsx23 kicking the assess of a herd of fools.
What the fuck is that other guy's point about sentience in viruses? Why was he making a big deal about whether or not viruses are sentient? lol
What's that beat at the end of the vid?
Evolution doesn't work as "one kind into another." Evolution works through speciation, so an organism never leaves its lineage.
To claim that evolution is a "change in kinds" is dishonest and needs to be called out as such.
Why is there a german flag behind fsx ? :)
G Man wants to see (with his own eyes) a dog turn into someone that isn't a dog? Well, I guess evolution is magic to people who don't actually understand the first thing about evolution.
and yet he believes everything was created, despite not seeing it.
Why can't these derps understand what fsx23 is saying? Perhaps if G man yells loud enough fsx23 will have to concede.
answer question....get asked same question again...answer question again...then get told you won't answer the question...so get asked same question again.show evidence mountains of evidence ..only response ok other than that what evidence do you have,
please don't post anything with GMan on it.... he makes me dislike you tube.
GMAN was specifically trying to piss you off, definitely a troll.
A bunch of guys getting together to argue something they know little about.. good comedy. but hey, its a start.
3 years later and not a single one these creationists understand the retrovirus argument and how it shows common descent. That was flipping frustrating. I wanted to punch my phone
3 YEARS LATTER STILL EVOLUTION HAS NOI EVIDENCE., NO ATHEIST FOOLS HAS GIVEN ANY EVIDENCE FOR LIFE FROM NOTHING.
Fsx @ 7:20 - 7:51 .... Debate over.. move on.... RR was dodging harder than fifth graders playing bombardment!
If I understand this you was referring to RNA and that show evolution since 3000 years ago the human RNA has changed from then to now
Facts? LMAO the facts that come from a Book that supposedly came from a God that they have No Proof exists they are taking the word of 12 people that they can not Prove existed that is in a Book that was Printed by man that said Book states over and over we are bad people that we can't do nothing good and the good we do is Not good enough? LMAO what a fucking Joke the argument Gman stated just described what fsx said that Gman said was not provable
Knowledge of genetics? None, not the slightest.
Interesting he brought up dogs and bears since these are both caniforms but I don't suppose this guy cares about that.
G-man...??? Ain't that the dude that made the 'Christian Rap' song? xD
Yes that is the very same gman.
looooooooooooooooooool he's good right? *cough* *cough* xD
The last time I watched this and commented I missed something big after Gman asked for observable evidence for Macro evolution, you should have asked him to explain what the difference is between micro and macro evolution.You see the only difference is time the mechanics that allow micro evolution are exactly the same for macro therefore he already excepts macro evolution it's his understanding of it that's wrong no where in the evolutionary theory does it say a dog can become a non dog.
lol Gman. This is the guy who claimed that 1 day while living with a relative who was on the brink of eviction said he asked friends and family with no results for help with money needed to get an apartment that he walked outside 1 day to find a safe with 3 thousand dollars in it that was sent from god and thats what made him a christian. But when asked why doesnt god help starving children in Africa he answered he does but mankind does not allow it to happeen? That its somehow intercepted. Typical christian reasoning. Lets move the goal post cause it does not support my claim.
I can't stand listening to gman. The only reason I watched this is because fsx23 was on.
Make it simple. Debate me one-on-one. I'll be glad to help you learn from the mistake of thinking you can use evolutionism as an excuse for denying your Creator!
***** JD let's test that. I challenge you to debate me one-on-one in Skype. Let's see if you can stand on your own two feet in a debate without your atheist friends being involved. Accept my challenge?
***** With only you and I present, a Google hangout is just fine! However, if you invite a single friend to enter the hangout, you will have made yourself dishonest and the debate is over and you will have chickened out. Therefore I will host the hangout and nobody will be allowed to enter. Not one person may be allowed to enter. How about this Monday evening? How about 8:00pm Central Time? I don't know what time zone you are in.
***** Just you and me. No moderator, nobody to interject or interrupt us, nobody to play games with buttons. If you can't agree to that you are just looking for an excuse to not debate.
name a time
***** JD won't respond I guess. I'm willing to debate you any time. Tonight if you like.
I always wonder maybe sfx23 can help me here since he knows gman on more personal level than I do, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic by any means, but is gman one of those charlatans who looks at people like sye ten and the banana man and sees potential financial gain in pretending like they don't understand evolution, and distort into some type of a faith position. I guess my question is, is gman a self aware snake oils man or he is really convinced that his arguments are in a realm of sanity. Let me know what you think because I really have hard time wrapping my head around and convincing my self that people can actually be this stupid.
I can't understand why the fundamentalist Christians so vehemently joust against evolution? What about it so conflicts with their magical creator beliefs? It seems to me they'd just claim their God does evolution, just take credit for it like they do everything else!
That's what non-fundamentalists do, But fundamentalists can't because they believe the Bible to be literal truth. So man and all other animals must be separate creations, because the Bible says so.
I sincerely don't know why (how?) you keep trying with some people.
On one level there has to be a bit of humor involved to watch people so ignorant of facts to claim they know things they clearly don't. But it also must get tiresome.
Are you actually asking people to show you the process Macroevolution, which happens gradually over say 200,000 years, in YOUR small lifetime? What does that tell people about your intelligence?
Wouldn't it be easier to prove to you how mountains form and later are gradually eroded by having you sit and watch them for a few million years? So yeah you might need FAITH to know how mountains form if that's how poorly you reason.
good luck on your adventure
3:15 You've never seen God either yet you believe in it anyway
Is this black dude trollin just for views 😂
what the fuck is this?