@@slicksilver9441I played it on ps3 for a bit before I misplaced it and never found it. What I played reminded me of Fable, right down to how the HUD is set up and how you use the magic.
Greedfall was fantastic. Clearly lower budget with a bit of backtracking, but the choices and character building were incredible and combat was awesome, especially with how drastically it can change based on where you spend your experience. Also, the world-building is incredible.
My hidden gem RPG is Valkyrie Elysium. Everyone bashes it as looking cheap and repetitive, but I played it obsessively when it came out. DBZ Kakarot is a good one, make no mistake, but if you already know the story, it follows the manga to the letter aside from the intermissions.
I bought it and played for about 15 or so hours. I just felt like it was way too slow paced for my taste. I kept dozing off while trying to play it. I guess I prefer something a little more action oriented like Jedi Fallen Order.
Bit of a stretch since the main game was released 2022 but the DLC that makes it feel complete was 2013, dragons dogma dark arisen would be my number 1 slot, took a bit to get into it but once it clicks it is amazing and you can sink hundreds of hours into it before you start burning out
My hidden gem is a beautifully told story about love,acceptance, lost,and friendship. From humble games studios who quickly became one of my favorite developers when I played their other RPG which is also a hidden gem in my opinion a beautiful game known as ikenfell. By the way that other game is dodgeball academia.
Great video! I don't know why you think Spiders is a new developer though. Greedfall was their 9th game and they were founded in 2008 making them older than quite a few game studios. Also I find it funny that you think the writing was the worst part of Kingdoms of Amalor considering they actually got a professional novelist to write the story :P
True. But seems like GodFall was the title that really pushed them from unknown indie dev to lesser unknown indie dev. Ha. I like that they’ve kept going all these years and seem to be getting better each time. I’ve owned Godfall since near its debut but have yet to play. Would be nice to see a free next gen upgrade but for studio that size I understand it might be hard… (or is it? I’m not a dev)
Tokyo Xanadu ex+. Though it does have some commonalities with Persona, it isn't nearly as dour, the action combat offers much more satisfaction, and there are some genuine laughs to be had.
Don't sleep on Greedfall. Its so good that I went back and played the developer's other games: Mars: Log Wars and Technomancer. Looking forward to Greedfall 2.
Played Haven a bit when it launched last in GP. Didn’t get far. Just wound up doing some of the first fights, and while I normally turn and run when it comes to turn-based games, it seemed to implement unique turn based combat that feeds off each other characters turns, as if they’re fighting together as one, which is cool when think of them as a couple working together. I wish I’d given it more time. Seems like could b solid.
I feel like Greedfall's story was not done justice here. It is wildly complex. You play essentially a noble (NOT A PIRATE) sent to help your cousin as they govern this new land across the sea. It's as much about exploration and discovery as it is about the effects of colonization. There are several DIFFERENT native groups to interact with along with the other politic powerhouses trying to settle here. ALL while there is some mysterious plague killing people, that hopefully you can find a cure for. There's complex characters and companions. There's an actual in game clock that matters. If someone says to meet them here tomorrow at noon, be there! The combat sometimes can leave you wanting a little bit. Once you figure it out, it's actually pretty basic. The skill tree is pretty small and doesn't allow for too much customization. But the writing and stories in this game make it so worth it!
@tgreen9804 I would try! The opening, other than the beginning boss fight, feels sluggish I do remember that. But it gets better once you've explored and gotten a good bit of the map done. If you really immerse yourself in the games politics/history, the story gets really interesting.
@@tgreen9804 I liked some of the lore but i never connected to any of the characters, it has a lot in common with a bioware game, but even Andromeda had more interesting characters than Greedfall, although to be fair I never finished Greedfall, because after like 15 hours I realised I was bored and had been for most of my playthrough
I still play my 360 version of kingdom of amalur !! Hard to beat a game whose main designer was Todd McFarland ( creator of spawn and venom ) also studio 38 was owned by curt schilling Lol Great Baseball player !!
What do we think? Dragon's Dogma too well known for this list? I sure don't think so, I haven't stopped singing its praise since its original release and for the longest time nobody seemed to know what I was talking about. Also, I appreciate not one but two Monty Python references in this video.
I picked up Kingdoms of Amular and Greedfall from ps plus thankfully. Going to have to try them out with your recommendations and since it will give me time to save up money for a PS5 and Baldurs Gate 3.
Do agree with Kingdoms of Amalur, it is so so much better than the some of its parts, i had such a blast playing that game, way more than i thought i would.
Kingdom Come Deliverance was so freaking good. I hope we get a sequel. It’s a perfect medieval game. No magic and monsters. Just a dude. I remember playing it all day and night. I don’t want to stop. Same feeling I’m getting with Baldur’s Gate 3.
I would have included the Shadowrun trilogy from Hare-Brained Schemes... but then maybe they don't classify as a Hidden Gem. Wildermyth though... yeah... Wildermyth is a game that I wish would spawn a whole new genre of RPGs.
Dang this might be the first list ive seen that i played almost every game on it 😂. I think kingdom come and the sinking city is perfect to pair togther because you kinda have to navigate your way around the worlds with limited info. I also recently came back to kingdon come after givint up on it the firet time around and had a blast lol. Though i do regret jumping in on hardcore mode right away. Kakarot and havent are the only 2 ive besten i recommend them too. I'll have ti restart greed fall lol,also star renegades is really good but tough asf feels like the dark souls of the tatic rpg world.
re: Greedfall> Ok so I haven't finished it, but I did make it some way through its second chapter. And its not about pirates so far as I've seen. The protagonists are the scions of a wealthy renaissance-era-like family who control (one or more of: land on a new continent, or a company that is involved in shipping to/from this new continent, or somesuch like that); it has much more in common with the european (mostly spanish/portugese at least as far as I could tell) "colonization" (conquering) of south america, but in a world involving some degree of magic and mythology. Pretty sure the PCs had nothing to do with being pirates.
I bought The Sinking City thinking that it would be something similar to Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth. While The Sinking City does have RPG and open world elements, it does take away from what it’s supposed to be: a horror game. The name HP Lovecraft is associated with Horror and this games really doesn’t do it justice. In the end I see it kinda like The Evil Within 2 as it gives you an open world to explore which takes away from the tension you’re supposed to feel when playing a horror title. If you like RPG/ open world game you might enjoy it. But if you know anything about HP Lovecraft and Call of Cthulhu (the HP Lovecraft story and not just the games) then you might let be in for a bad time
Kingdoms of Amalur has some of the best combat OF ALL TIME. Where it failed is having way too many generic lifeless quests and NPC's. If you stick to the main quests and all of the faction / race quests and the occasional side quest you find particular interesting, it's a great game. If you don't do this, you will be severely over leveled. Potions are exploitable too. The most fun run I had was self handicapping - no health potions. Only heal spell and a lifeline of 2 health potions max. That being said. Criminally underrated and I wish they would take the exact same combat and world and do a better job balancing XP and not make the side quests so shitty.
If we are talking of RPG that hasn't had enough attention, I think that Grim Dawn should be on the top of the list. I mean, fantasy-steanpubk-postapocaliptic rpg with Lovecraftian elements and a kick ass soundtrack? Why aren't people taking more about this gem?!!!
Played Haven back when it was on Game Pass and it was fantastic. There gameplay was similar enough but the character interaction and story was great. KoA deserves to be played by everyone as that's also a great game
For me, the citizens trilogy are some of the best rpgs in recent memory, a great mix of sarcasm, puns and a party list akin to suikoden they are great games to chill out to
Spiders has been making badass underrated RPGs since 2009. If you're a Mass Effect/Dragon Age era Bioware fan, definitely check out Bound by Flame and Mars: War Logs if you want bite-sized games in the style "Relative newcomer Spider," my ass. 😂
I bought the original KOA but unfortunately it was right around then that my xbox 360 would suddenly no longer read discs. So, never got the chance to play it but as a fan of the elder scrolls, others had told me to try it. Unfortunately though I was either a poor college student and couldn't get a new xbox at the time or I might have moved on my own afterwards and was a working stiff with little time and tight finances. Either way. I did indeed purchase the re-release. Unfortunately due to a number of factors mostly having to do with my job working me 6 days a week at often 12 hours+ largely having to do with the pandemic, though we were super slammed even before that honestly, just not had the time or energy to start a new game and so had been chugging along with either Fallout 4 or skyrim. However, work has been dialing way back finally and I have been chipping away little by little at my backlog of games and movies. There has just been so much since I haven't had time. So hopefully I will get to KOA finally and enjoy it. Recently tried the newer DOOM games. Just couldn't quite get into them. In time maybe. Either way.
Given Star Renegades, I'm kind of surprised not to see Star Traders get any love. There are a lot of XCOM-ish or 4x-ish elements, but it's definitely an RPG at the core - negotiations, quests, your whole objective and philosophy are driven by how you are playing your main character. Even the combat plays out completely differently for a merchant vs. a bounty hunter.
Greedfall is such a underrated game, clearly it's not a high buget game like the Witcher 3 or Elden Ring, but it's still a enjoyable experience. Especially there isn't many Bioware style third person RPGs (games like Dragon Age and KOTOR) besides it in recent years.
Not enough attention for Chained Echoes. A great homage to old school jrpgs with a great combat system. Also, Anno Mutationem. I’d argue this is more metroidvania, but definitely has rpg elements.
Greedfall was good, but the trailers made it look like a completely different game, so I went in expecting more exploration, fighting, pirating, and a lot more fantasy elements. Still, even though it gets pretty repetitive, and side quests can get tedious at times, it was worth a playthrough. It helps that I got the physical gold edition for like $12 brand new.
Loved both Kingdom Come and Greedfall and while I enjoyed Amalur, that game did feel overlong. Getting toward the back third of the game was like dessert at Thanksgiving dinner. You know it would be good if you had the room for it. But you're so full from the main meal that you don't. Really felt like the first half of that game should have been the full first game and the second half should have been the first sequel. But considering that game's origin story it probably had to overdo in order to justify its budget.
I was honestly expecting them to put freaking Xenoblade Chronicles on the list because they think no one has played it! I really was expecting that to happen!
Here's an idea, when you are reviewing more than one game, maybe put the title in the corner, or across the bottom? Less searching and frustration. More enjoying the video.
I wouldn’t say it’s hidden. It had a pretty big release, reviewed well and sold well across all platforms. Sea of stars has released now and is also very good, though draws its influence from Chrono Trigger.
I heard myriad good things about chained echos but tried it and found the combat so boring and drawn out for even the small battles that I had spent 4 hours in the game and probably 3 1/2 in combat....mostly waiting for the giant health bars to slowly get cut down. Felt tedious and not very fun after the first few fights. Can't skip and not grind either, bc most of the time you'll hit a mad wall of difficulty without. If it has a good story it was buried under tedium and a boring world to explore for me. I wanted to love it. Couldn't stand playing it. A big bummer for me
@@ItzSkettimas A few things I noticed about combat is yes, the battles are longer, but there are no random encounters, battles can be fled at any point, and each battle is unique. Since you fully heal after each battle and only level up after defeating bosses, regular encounters are only good for getting crafting items and building up ability points-neither of which are really all that necessary though they can be helpful. And since each battle is unique (different formations, enemy types, enemy quantity), you have to adjust your tactics to match. As for the story, well, that does take a long time to get going, mostly because there’s a lot of political factions and history to get caught up on. Once I got a handle of everything (probably around the 10 hour mark), I started to really enjoy the plot. It’s a bummer the game didn’t click with you, but god knows there are tons of ultra-popular games out there that I simply did not like, so I get it.
@@erakfishfishfish @erakfishfishfish I know how they work. And no. Most battles are the same tactics. Rinse and repeat. I already addressed the issue with avoiding battles: you get locked out of progress until you're strong enough. This is bad design imo. The battles also last upwards 10-15 minutes a piece often. On tiny enemies. Also fighting a mosquito by hitting it with magic, stacked ultimates, and blades, bombs, etc. Just to have it take 30 hits is awful design. It's boring. It's tedious. No battle in the game after 4+ hours was any fun for me. They dragged on for absolutely zero good reason. Having the after battle auto heal just gave them an excuse to make every battle an obnoxious chore list of mechanics. Booooooorrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnnggggg. The story also went absolutely nowhere and the characters had flat and mid AF dialogue. Not one part of this game lives up to the names people compare it to. It's a slog that takes double digit hours to even start to get fun. That's absolutely dogshit game design. (Looking at you too starfield, although it opens up so much that it's worth it, unlike this game that's the same) Also calling each fight unique is the silliest thing I've heard in my life. No they aren't. Same enemies per area. Over and over. The fact that adding one more mosquito or tiny little enemy means I have to adjust an entire 10 minute strategy is the polar opposite of fun or addictive. I honestly look so far down on its fans. Y'all's opinions no longer have any merit. It's a 3/10 for me.
Sea of stars does it all correct and is a blast. Chained echoes is a jank tier forgettable RPG that can easily be passed up for better games. Just my opinion. People enjoy it and good for them. I'll get back to the games I like instead. Sad to see such a turd (imo) get such high praise tho
Does KoAmalur hold up today? The first one? Remaster? With so many good games out it’s hard to go back in years. I mean I do if all the time but games tend to age with time, certain ones at least, and not sure how this one holds up. I have the original. ( I think it’s hard copy even). Does that one hood still? Do I need rerelease?
I haven't played KoA yet. I have been wanting an experience like that for a while. As a big Dark Souls and Morrowind fan, I thought it would scratch that itch for me. However any time I come across conversations around the game, I find it compared to Dragon's Dogma (which I also haven't played yet). Does Dragon's Dogma not make the list because it wasn't as "hidden" or do you just think KoA is significantly better. I am hoping to make an educated decision between the two, before I invest the inevitable 200 hours (and maybe like $5 on Switch ;))
I've been a huge Dragon Ball fan for over 25 years now and Kakarot got painfully boring after about an hour. I ultimately platinumed it but it was a chore.
i wish my potatoe laptop could handle Kingdom come Deliverance. When i search forums with lists of games that would match my preferences, every forum keeps suggesting this game and to be honest it does look good (though i avoid watching videos so game and gameplay won't be spoiled to me). The problem is that i don't want to buy a new pc if my only reason for this are games.
Where are the hidden gems?^^ Come on, all the games mentioned, except Star Renegades, are A-AA games that sold and had media cover pretty decently. The video itself ain't bad, don't get me wrong, but when the title says hidden gems I am awaiting indie titles.
Free next-gen upgrade for Sinking City? ******************************* I own sinking city for last gen consoles. Never got around to playing it Do developers Frogware offer free upgrade for Xbox Series X? Or do I have to pay? Thanks for this video. You did good
I bought the re-release and picked up the expansion for Kingdoms of Amalur.
That and dragon's dogma were 2 for the 360/ps3 that were definitely hidden gems.
My brother keeps telling me to play kingdoms of amular. Maybe I should give it a go.
Game keeps crashing for me in the beginning when opening a door…
Tbh, I do hope that now Kingdoms of Amalur had a re-release and a new dlc that it would finally have a sequel.
@@slicksilver9441I played it on ps3 for a bit before I misplaced it and never found it. What I played reminded me of Fable, right down to how the HUD is set up and how you use the magic.
Greedfall was pretty solid. Only complaint I have is the combat isn’t complex enough, does get repetitive after a bit but it’s still a good game
Agree
Greedfall deserved so much better. I'm glad it made the list! It's criminally underrated.
Greedfall was fantastic. Clearly lower budget with a bit of backtracking, but the choices and character building were incredible and combat was awesome, especially with how drastically it can change based on where you spend your experience. Also, the world-building is incredible.
Agreed, but I think it's a stretch to compare it to dragon age...
Greedfall and Amalur were great! loved them both
Ellen from OutsideExtra agrees emphatically with the #1 spot.
I was wondering if she put them up to it...
@@vikingnoise it's a possibility!
Her influence is spreading!
I can just imagine her squealing
My hidden gem RPG is Valkyrie Elysium. Everyone bashes it as looking cheap and repetitive, but I played it obsessively when it came out. DBZ Kakarot is a good one, make no mistake, but if you already know the story, it follows the manga to the letter aside from the intermissions.
I've played Kingdoms of Amalur and its re-release for the PS4. I loved it both times.
I've been inspired to redownload Greedfall for the third time 😂
I played Greedfall and buy it, when it first realesed. Never understand why it was not hype it up like other big games.
I bought it and played for about 15 or so hours. I just felt like it was way too slow paced for my taste. I kept dozing off while trying to play it. I guess I prefer something a little more action oriented like Jedi Fallen Order.
Really enjoyed beating that game. Hyped for the sequel.
Somewhere in London, Ellen Rose shouts, "Damn right!", and doesn't know why.
Bit of a stretch since the main game was released 2022 but the DLC that makes it feel complete was 2013, dragons dogma dark arisen would be my number 1 slot, took a bit to get into it but once it clicks it is amazing and you can sink hundreds of hours into it before you start burning out
Dark arisen was amazing, played hundreds of hours just in that dlc
Despite many of its genre, only that game enables you to summon a fucking meteor and tornado
I want a Skies of Arcadia remaster
My hidden gem is a beautifully told story about love,acceptance, lost,and friendship. From humble games studios who quickly became one of my favorite developers when I played their other RPG which is also a hidden gem in my opinion a beautiful game known as ikenfell. By the way that other game is dodgeball academia.
It's good to see greedfall on the list love the game can't wait for part 2
Great video! I don't know why you think Spiders is a new developer though. Greedfall was their 9th game and they were founded in 2008 making them older than quite a few game studios. Also I find it funny that you think the writing was the worst part of Kingdoms of Amalor considering they actually got a professional novelist to write the story :P
True. But seems like GodFall was the title that really pushed them from unknown indie dev to lesser unknown indie dev. Ha.
I like that they’ve kept going all these years and seem to be getting better each time.
I’ve owned Godfall since near its debut but have yet to play. Would be nice to see a free next gen upgrade but for studio that size I understand it might be hard… (or is it? I’m not a dev)
If KCD isn’t on this list I’m gonna complain on the internet
Edit: Good
Greedfall could be the start of something great. I enjoyed my experience more than I expected. Totally worth a try
0:09 yusss... glad haven is getting some love
1:12 I would've jumped right in if there was the possibility for a character creation in the game
Ellen was right
Damn it I was gonna say it
Tokyo Xanadu ex+. Though it does have some commonalities with Persona, it isn't nearly as dour, the action combat offers much more satisfaction, and there are some genuine laughs to be had.
I love this game. I keep looking it up to see if we are getting a sequel. Sadly, the president is saying for years that it's in the "works." 🙁
@@jennyf-eg5gl Remind me how too many years of being "in development," worked out for Duke Nukem.
Don't sleep on Greedfall. Its so good that I went back and played the developer's other games: Mars: Log Wars and Technomancer. Looking forward to Greedfall 2.
On Vampyr on this list
I was waiting for Vampyr too. Great game.
Played Haven a bit when it launched last in GP. Didn’t get far. Just wound up doing some of the first fights, and while I normally turn and run when it comes to turn-based games, it seemed to implement unique turn based combat that feeds off each other characters turns, as if they’re fighting together as one, which is cool when think of them as a couple working together. I wish I’d given it more time. Seems like could b solid.
I feel like Greedfall's story was not done justice here. It is wildly complex. You play essentially a noble (NOT A PIRATE) sent to help your cousin as they govern this new land across the sea. It's as much about exploration and discovery as it is about the effects of colonization. There are several DIFFERENT native groups to interact with along with the other politic powerhouses trying to settle here. ALL while there is some mysterious plague killing people, that hopefully you can find a cure for.
There's complex characters and companions. There's an actual in game clock that matters. If someone says to meet them here tomorrow at noon, be there!
The combat sometimes can leave you wanting a little bit. Once you figure it out, it's actually pretty basic. The skill tree is pretty small and doesn't allow for too much customization. But the writing and stories in this game make it so worth it!
I got so bored in the beginning section both times I tried to play. Should I try again and power through?
@tgreen9804 I would try! The opening, other than the beginning boss fight, feels sluggish I do remember that.
But it gets better once you've explored and gotten a good bit of the map done. If you really immerse yourself in the games politics/history, the story gets really interesting.
@@Dapperhippie thanks!
@@tgreen9804 I liked some of the lore but i never connected to any of the characters, it has a lot in common with a bioware game, but even Andromeda had more interesting characters than Greedfall, although to be fair I never finished Greedfall, because after like 15 hours I realised I was bored and had been for most of my playthrough
I've heard that if you whisper "Kingdoms of Amalur" enough, a mysterious lady named Ellen Rose will appear somewhere in the background of your video.
Pretty sure DBZK isn't a hidden gem. It's just a gem. Love the flying in this game
I still play my 360 version of kingdom of amalur !! Hard to beat a game whose main designer was Todd McFarland ( creator of spawn and venom ) also studio 38 was owned by curt schilling Lol Great Baseball player !!
I thoroughly enjoyed KoA Reckoning back in the day. I had like 3 or 4 different characters lol
I played Sinking City a year ago and it was awesome
It does still have some jank to it, but I would agree it was an interesting game, and worth playing.
I absolutely loved kingdoms of amalur and I loved that they up'd the difficulty settings in the re-reckoning.
Greedfall was great. However, it is NOT about "fantasy pirates".
Glad to see Sinking City get some love!
So excited for greedfall 2.
Haven feels like a game I would like to play
What do we think? Dragon's Dogma too well known for this list? I sure don't think so, I haven't stopped singing its praise since its original release and for the longest time nobody seemed to know what I was talking about. Also, I appreciate not one but two Monty Python references in this video.
I picked up Kingdoms of Amular and Greedfall from ps plus thankfully. Going to have to try them out with your recommendations and since it will give me time to save up money for a PS5 and Baldurs Gate 3.
Do agree with Kingdoms of Amalur, it is so so much better than the some of its parts, i had such a blast playing that game, way more than i thought i would.
Ive would of added Tales of Arise AND Vampyr 🧛♂
You describe Realms Of Magic without mentioning Terraria?
Terraria Is amazing and looks so much better what theve done with that game is amazing now fir next gen and that games really set
Terraria is easily among my top 10games and I was watching realms of magic struggling to understand how it didn't get mentioned instead
@@gedora5539 literally its like a clone of it 😆
Terraria is technically 2011 ;)
To be honest I played the sinking city and loved it. Not perfect but a very enjoyable romp. Plus I really need to buy and play greedfall! Good list.
Kind of disappointed that Grim Dawn didn’t make the list. The class combo feature was great.
Kingdom Come Deliverance was so freaking good. I hope we get a sequel.
It’s a perfect medieval game. No magic and monsters. Just a dude.
I remember playing it all day and night. I don’t want to stop.
Same feeling I’m getting with Baldur’s Gate 3.
I would have included the Shadowrun trilogy from Hare-Brained Schemes... but then maybe they don't classify as a Hidden Gem.
Wildermyth though... yeah... Wildermyth is a game that I wish would spawn a whole new genre of RPGs.
I do enjoy the Hare-Brained Schemes trio of Shadowrun games, finished all of them at least once, and run through Returns several times XD
I just platinumed Greedfall and its definitely something to play!!
Dang this might be the first list ive seen that i played almost every game on it 😂. I think kingdom come and the sinking city is perfect to pair togther because you kinda have to navigate your way around the worlds with limited info. I also recently came back to kingdon come after givint up on it the firet time around and had a blast lol. Though i do regret jumping in on hardcore mode right away. Kakarot and havent are the only 2 ive besten i recommend them too. I'll have ti restart greed fall lol,also star renegades is really good but tough asf feels like the dark souls of the tatic rpg world.
re: Greedfall> Ok so I haven't finished it, but I did make it some way through its second chapter. And its not about pirates so far as I've seen. The protagonists are the scions of a wealthy renaissance-era-like family who control (one or more of: land on a new continent, or a company that is involved in shipping to/from this new continent, or somesuch like that); it has much more in common with the european (mostly spanish/portugese at least as far as I could tell) "colonization" (conquering) of south america, but in a world involving some degree of magic and mythology. Pretty sure the PCs had nothing to do with being pirates.
I bought The Sinking City thinking that it would be something similar to Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth. While The Sinking City does have RPG and open world elements, it does take away from what it’s supposed to be: a horror game. The name HP Lovecraft is associated with Horror and this games really doesn’t do it justice. In the end I see it kinda like The Evil Within 2 as it gives you an open world to explore which takes away from the tension you’re supposed to feel when playing a horror title. If you like RPG/ open world game you might enjoy it. But if you know anything about HP Lovecraft and Call of Cthulhu (the HP Lovecraft story and not just the games) then you might let be in for a bad time
Greedfall being based on the colonization of America is one of the BEST games ive ever played...
Kingdoms of Amalur has some of the best combat OF ALL TIME. Where it failed is having way too many generic lifeless quests and NPC's. If you stick to the main quests and all of the faction / race quests and the occasional side quest you find particular interesting, it's a great game. If you don't do this, you will be severely over leveled. Potions are exploitable too. The most fun run I had was self handicapping - no health potions. Only heal spell and a lifeline of 2 health potions max.
That being said. Criminally underrated and I wish they would take the exact same combat and world and do a better job balancing XP and not make the side quests so shitty.
DBZ: Kakarot was really fun!
I'd add Solasta Crown of the Magister as well.
Glad to hear Sinking City got patches . Might have to get back to that one soon !
If we are talking of RPG that hasn't had enough attention, I think that Grim Dawn should be on the top of the list. I mean, fantasy-steanpubk-postapocaliptic rpg with Lovecraftian elements and a kick ass soundtrack? Why aren't people taking more about this gem?!!!
Played Haven back when it was on Game Pass and it was fantastic. There gameplay was similar enough but the character interaction and story was great. KoA deserves to be played by everyone as that's also a great game
Hm, no Solasta: Crown of Magister ?
No Underrail (don't mistake with Undertale)?
For me, the citizens trilogy are some of the best rpgs in recent memory, a great mix of sarcasm, puns and a party list akin to suikoden they are great games to chill out to
Spiders has been making badass underrated RPGs since 2009. If you're a Mass Effect/Dragon Age era Bioware fan, definitely check out Bound by Flame and Mars: War Logs if you want bite-sized games in the style
"Relative newcomer Spider," my ass. 😂
I bought the original KOA but unfortunately it was right around then that my xbox 360 would suddenly no longer read discs. So, never got the chance to play it but as a fan of the elder scrolls, others had told me to try it. Unfortunately though I was either a poor college student and couldn't get a new xbox at the time or I might have moved on my own afterwards and was a working stiff with little time and tight finances. Either way.
I did indeed purchase the re-release. Unfortunately due to a number of factors mostly having to do with my job working me 6 days a week at often 12 hours+ largely having to do with the pandemic, though we were super slammed even before that honestly, just not had the time or energy to start a new game and so had been chugging along with either Fallout 4 or skyrim.
However, work has been dialing way back finally and I have been chipping away little by little at my backlog of games and movies. There has just been so much since I haven't had time. So hopefully I will get to KOA finally and enjoy it. Recently tried the newer DOOM games. Just couldn't quite get into them. In time maybe. Either way.
I got Re-Reckoning off PS+, when they offered it and I'm so glad I finally gave it a spin.
Star Renegades are great turn based games. There is almost no exploration but the battle system are really really solid.
Given Star Renegades, I'm kind of surprised not to see Star Traders get any love. There are a lot of XCOM-ish or 4x-ish elements, but it's definitely an RPG at the core - negotiations, quests, your whole objective and philosophy are driven by how you are playing your main character. Even the combat plays out completely differently for a merchant vs. a bounty hunter.
Greedfall is such a underrated game, clearly it's not a high buget game like the Witcher 3 or Elden Ring, but it's still a enjoyable experience. Especially there isn't many Bioware style third person RPGs (games like Dragon Age and KOTOR) besides it in recent years.
Outerworlds? That game is in my top 5 favorite RPGs period
Not enough attention for Chained Echoes. A great homage to old school jrpgs with a great combat system.
Also, Anno Mutationem. I’d argue this is more metroidvania, but definitely has rpg elements.
Good list. Though many of these are ARPGs, so maybe a list of hidden gems for each like one for ARPGs and one for CRPGs?
Greedfall was good, but the trailers made it look like a completely different game, so I went in expecting more exploration, fighting, pirating, and a lot more fantasy elements. Still, even though it gets pretty repetitive, and side quests can get tedious at times, it was worth a playthrough. It helps that I got the physical gold edition for like $12 brand new.
I liked greedfall surprised it didn't hit like it should.
I can't wait for a sequel to Kingdom Come Deliverance.
#7 looked like a dollar store Terraria..
Greedfall was so good.
Loved both Kingdom Come and Greedfall and while I enjoyed Amalur, that game did feel overlong. Getting toward the back third of the game was like dessert at Thanksgiving dinner. You know it would be good if you had the room for it. But you're so full from the main meal that you don't. Really felt like the first half of that game should have been the full first game and the second half should have been the first sequel. But considering that game's origin story it probably had to overdo in order to justify its budget.
"hidden gem"
Starts with kingdom come
Oh boy.
I was honestly expecting them to put freaking Xenoblade Chronicles on the list because they think no one has played it! I really was expecting that to happen!
Had no clue DBZ Kakarot was an rpg.
Any of the Xenoblade Chronicles is a good one.
A question for josh, did you play final fantasy 16? If so, did you think gav was just playing you?
Here's an idea, when you are reviewing more than one game, maybe put the title in the corner, or across the bottom? Less searching and frustration. More enjoying the video.
Realms of magic is like an upgraded teria
My hidden gem is Chained Echoes. It clearly takes most of its inspiration from Final Fantasy 6 and is almost as good while still being its own thing.
I wouldn’t say it’s hidden. It had a pretty big release, reviewed well and sold well across all platforms. Sea of stars has released now and is also very good, though draws its influence from Chrono Trigger.
I heard myriad good things about chained echos but tried it and found the combat so boring and drawn out for even the small battles that I had spent 4 hours in the game and probably 3 1/2 in combat....mostly waiting for the giant health bars to slowly get cut down.
Felt tedious and not very fun after the first few fights. Can't skip and not grind either, bc most of the time you'll hit a mad wall of difficulty without.
If it has a good story it was buried under tedium and a boring world to explore for me.
I wanted to love it.
Couldn't stand playing it.
A big bummer for me
@@ItzSkettimas A few things I noticed about combat is yes, the battles are longer, but there are no random encounters, battles can be fled at any point, and each battle is unique. Since you fully heal after each battle and only level up after defeating bosses, regular encounters are only good for getting crafting items and building up ability points-neither of which are really all that necessary though they can be helpful. And since each battle is unique (different formations, enemy types, enemy quantity), you have to adjust your tactics to match.
As for the story, well, that does take a long time to get going, mostly because there’s a lot of political factions and history to get caught up on. Once I got a handle of everything (probably around the 10 hour mark), I started to really enjoy the plot.
It’s a bummer the game didn’t click with you, but god knows there are tons of ultra-popular games out there that I simply did not like, so I get it.
@@erakfishfishfish @erakfishfishfish I know how they work. And no. Most battles are the same tactics. Rinse and repeat. I already addressed the issue with avoiding battles: you get locked out of progress until you're strong enough.
This is bad design imo.
The battles also last upwards 10-15 minutes a piece often. On tiny enemies.
Also fighting a mosquito by hitting it with magic, stacked ultimates, and blades, bombs, etc. Just to have it take 30 hits is awful design.
It's boring.
It's tedious.
No battle in the game after 4+ hours was any fun for me. They dragged on for absolutely zero good reason.
Having the after battle auto heal just gave them an excuse to make every battle an obnoxious chore list of mechanics. Booooooorrrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnnggggg.
The story also went absolutely nowhere and the characters had flat and mid AF dialogue.
Not one part of this game lives up to the names people compare it to.
It's a slog that takes double digit hours to even start to get fun.
That's absolutely dogshit game design.
(Looking at you too starfield, although it opens up so much that it's worth it, unlike this game that's the same)
Also calling each fight unique is the silliest thing I've heard in my life.
No they aren't.
Same enemies per area. Over and over.
The fact that adding one more mosquito or tiny little enemy means I have to adjust an entire 10 minute strategy is the polar opposite of fun or addictive.
I honestly look so far down on its fans.
Y'all's opinions no longer have any merit.
It's a 3/10 for me.
Sea of stars does it all correct and is a blast. Chained echoes is a jank tier forgettable RPG that can easily be passed up for better games. Just my opinion. People enjoy it and good for them.
I'll get back to the games I like instead. Sad to see such a turd (imo) get such high praise tho
I enjoyed Greedfall. I'm hoping for a sequel. The game was good but the story was great.
I guess they forgot that Kingdoms Of Amalur also came out within a month of Skyrim.
Does KoAmalur hold up today? The first one? Remaster?
With so many good games out it’s hard to go back in years. I mean I do if all the time but games tend to age with time, certain ones at least, and not sure how this one holds up.
I have the original. ( I think it’s hard copy even). Does that one hood still? Do I need rerelease?
I haven't played KoA yet. I have been wanting an experience like that for a while. As a big Dark Souls and Morrowind fan, I thought it would scratch that itch for me. However any time I come across conversations around the game, I find it compared to Dragon's Dogma (which I also haven't played yet). Does Dragon's Dogma not make the list because it wasn't as "hidden" or do you just think KoA is significantly better. I am hoping to make an educated decision between the two, before I invest the inevitable 200 hours (and maybe like $5 on Switch ;))
Star Renegades is a great, arcadey distillation of turn-based combat.
Buy the Kingdoms of A .. RE- Reckoning
I've been a huge Dragon Ball fan for over 25 years now and Kakarot got painfully boring after about an hour. I ultimately platinumed it but it was a chore.
I bought the sinking city right when it first came out. Then promptly returned it as non-functional.
GUARDIAN TALES
I love kingdoms of amalur
I Bet, that they did not include Fantasy Life.
Tell me if im wrong.
Game: *is literally Terraria*
WCG: YEAH IT'S STARDEW VALLEY MEETS ELDER SCROLLS
Also Starbound has similar systems
i wish my potatoe laptop could handle Kingdom come Deliverance. When i search forums with lists of games that would match my preferences, every forum keeps suggesting this game and to be honest it does look good (though i avoid watching videos so game and gameplay won't be spoiled to me). The problem is that i don't want to buy a new pc if my only reason for this are games.
I was really hoping to see divinity 2 on this list, but I suppose it’s somewhat well known so it wouldn’t make sense for the list
Where are the hidden gems?^^ Come on, all the games mentioned, except Star Renegades, are A-AA games that sold and had media cover pretty decently.
The video itself ain't bad, don't get me wrong, but when the title says hidden gems I am awaiting indie titles.
Free next-gen upgrade for Sinking City?
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I own sinking city for last gen consoles. Never got around to playing it
Do developers Frogware offer free upgrade for Xbox Series X? Or do I have to pay?
Thanks for this video. You did good
No love for atom RPG?
So just one jrpg on list
Haven sounded good till the LBGT introduction.
Elex 1 and 2
I was alwaus curious about Haven, and now that its possible to have a same-sex couple, I'm definitely going to grab it