Even though I honestly scale Goku to Outerversal because I have arguments/scans to prove that the afterlife does indeed transcend the concept of dimensionality, this video is actually very well done and is not a horrible downplay like some people who says "goku is only universal", it is quite explanatory and easy to understand for those who find it hard to understand the cosmology of dragon ball (totally not me 2 years ago), I met your channel today and it's W, keep going.
*Goku is Outerversal with Irrelevant Speed:* As he has the power to destroy the Otherworld, a realm that transcends dimensionality, as stated by the Daizenshuu and other sources. When Future Trunks' timeline became a void devoid of space and time, Goku was able to move within it.
This is literally why powerscalers downplay Goku, because there wouldn't be anyway for other characters to stack up to him, so no versus Battles at all cuz he just solos
my first goat is back AND we have evidence from toriyama aswell as the narrative that goku black cut beyond literally all of this on a conceptual level
You mean when he used the scythe cutting through space? He says it’s a realm beyond his understanding so it would be above the brown space between timelines I’d assume
That's why he's the GOAT, Ain't no body beating Goku black the only Reason Ma boy lost was cuz of that Green elf 😒 When he fused even Gowasu stated he got weaker 😂 I mean go back and watch how Goatku black was packing the main cast up every single round then lost only after fusing 😂 Also Heroes did him justice for only a few eps where he went off but ruined with that plot induced stupidity where blue Gogeta took him out 😒 They could've done the bit where I believe he killed a UI Goku in his 86th battle and almost got his 100th kill they could've made him evolve further to a transformation only heard of in fan manga Ssj5 and allowed Xeno Gogeta and Blue Vegito to fuse into Gogito 🗿 After that if they 1 shot him I wouldn't have minded that
black has a gods soul within a mortal body. Goku cannot do that regularly. That’s all Zamasu nothing more nothing less. That’s why rose is different from blue it’s just zamasu going normal super Saiyan.
@@superismynameboi1358 yh that space would have to be above infinite timelines and the brown dimension in between since the Kai's have knowledge of everything within the db cosmology including parallel worlds/other timelines but since this was a space beyond his knowledge This is just my own assumption, but I believe he cut space to such a degree that he allowed his cognitive thoughts to have a physical form meaning it'd be a higher dimensional whilst also being what he actually did since let's be honest Goku black was a narcissist so all he thought about was himself hence the only thing that appeared form there was himself 😂
Good video, it's hilarious because there's A LOT more you couldve used. For example in that same interview where Toriyama talks about the macrocosm's map he blatantly calls the gods of the afterlife *transcendent beings* solidifying even more it's a higher realm, you also got page 198 of the DBS Broly LN that says Gogeta and Broly's fight transcends space-time, Daizenshuu 7 stating the realms of the afterlife exist in a hierarchy, the kanji describing the Deadzone meaning superspace, etc. Like DB's cosmology is busted
@tarisoala9717 Fun Fact More like Everyfiction don't get past city level lol Because Everyfiction only get stronger and stronger cause thanks to the authors/the writers do them themselves-from Stan Lee the Nuff said and No one except AND FACT>>>>ASSUMPTION
Great video as always, the intro was amazing! I would just argue that low end goku is 9D+ because everything until 9D has substantial evidence and the higher end can be 12D+. Living universe is infinite which makes it ∞ 3D + 1 Temporal Dimension. The Hyperbolic Time Chamber is also at least 3D + 1 Separate Temporal Dimension, which means there has to be a 4D + 1 Temporal Dimension Construct containing the mortal realms because if the living universe is already occupying the infinite 3D, which means for another 3D realm to exist it needs to be adjacent in a higher construct. Then there is the Dead Zone which is said to be a hyperspace, making it 4D + 1 Temporal Dimension We don't know if the Dead Zone is infinite, but if it was, then the mortal realm construct would have to be 6D + 1 Temporal Dimension, for now we will just go with ∞ 5D + 1 Temporal Dimension. All mortal realms are encompassed in a ∞ 5D + 1 Temporal Dimension Construct = 6D total (maybe daima will make this even higher with demon world) Afterlife is at least 1 dimension higher which makes it 7D+ Hell is infinite, Heaven is infinite (size of living uni, so its infinite), then there is Sacred World of the Kai, Enma Palace, the dimension goku races a Kai, etc Hell is infinite 6D + 1 Temporal Dimension Heaven is at least infinite 6D + 1 Temporal Dimension so, for two infinite 6D + 1 Temporal realms to exist they need to be adjacent in a higher dimensional construct, making the Afterlife construct at least infinite 7D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 8D+ total, this is without including the mega dimension of gogeta vs broly or suguro space, which can make it 9D+. This leaves us with the cardinal Universe 7 as a 8D+ Construct! Neutral Zone containing the infinite 12 cardinal universes is 8D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 9D+ total Zeno Realm would then be 9D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 10D+ total World of Void would be 10D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 11D+ total The Ring would then be 12D+ timeline Lastly, the brown dimension between timelines would be 13D+ None of the above is wank or high end, this is truly the mid end scaling of the cosmoology. The Higher end could arguably add another dimension for the mega dimension or for other dimensions like suguro space or subspace.
Hell yeah, Atari was and still is one of my favorite powerscalers, and while his scaling for Goku could be considered lowball, he's probably the person that fought the hardest against the constant 'Uni + to low multi' downplay that was pinned on Goku for so long.
Hey I really enjoyed your video. It was pretty easy to follow despite the fact I'm not very knowlegeble about cosmology and dimentional tiering in powerscaling. I have a question though. How does the Demon Realm in Daima factor into all of this? In Daima it seems that the Demon Realm exists outside of the 12 Universes and Goku can't seem to use instant transmission to reach the Demon Realm.
@@riftmaker4478 That scale is wack. Forget wack its beyond criminal. What kind of scaling is that? Did you even watch the video? You should watch it it's very consistent
@@riftmaker4478it easy to debunked your claims Frieza literally destroy planets vegeta in the Dragon Ball story both in Anime and Manga so Goku is above planets level.
I know Jump Force is a different Goku, but with how manga accurate so many characters were, it really makes you think what kinda cheese was Goku, Naruto & Luffy on to be made captains
death battle dont even use the concept of "higher dimension" at all unless that character have feats that directly said they have 4D,5D,... power Like they only scale how many universe that character can destroy but not how complex the universe they destroy are
@@WinC119 yeah Their method is pretty good in scaling and compare low-> Mid tier(City,Continent,Moon,...) But when scaling high tier character their method just make so much Downplay
What about arale's infinite fictional transcendence u can get Goku to high hyperversal via the dbs cameo where Beerus also erases a character that survived narrative erasure arale also has immeasurable speed feats
@@newkiller4457 nope actually in dbs anime Beerus is stated stronger than arale and mui top Goku In the anime is stronger than Beerus the manga is different continuity and this cameo doesn't even occur in the manga
@@dantesinferno5420 MUI Goku in the anime has no official statement about being above Beerus, it all comes from promotional materials stating Jiren is stronger than some gods of destruction, the fandom then assert that Goku being over Jiren means above Beerus which no is not the case, there is no official proof that Goku ever surpassed Beerus and pls remember that the 70% statement is not factual it's for the bog movie which is set in the gt timeline not super in both the super anime and manga this claim in nonexistent and the manga has the most statements about arale even showing the db map that shows penguin village officially making arale cannon to db, Akira toyirama also confirmed it in an interview
@@superroboStill anime Jiren has many statements about being above the gods ( blanket statement) from outside sources and in the anime Whis implies that Belmode was the one could be stronger than Beerus and the one who beat Beerus in arm wrestling. Jiren is straight up confirmed to be above Belmode.
@@superrobo Another thing to consider every statement made to hype up anime Jiren was made about his pre limit breaking self. Initial MUI Goku was absolutely dog walking pre LB Jiren. LB Jiren was able to turn the tables on initial MUI Goku almost completely but after MUI Goku got his second wind he overpowered LB Jiren to the point he had momentary lapse in judgment and attacked the innocent audience So it goes like this pre LB Jiren was hyped up to be stronger than the gods or at least his god who in the anime was considered relative to Beerus at least by Whis. Initial MUI Goku gaps pre LB Jiren hard then LB Jiren turned the tables on initial MUI Goku almost completely then finally end of fight MUI Goku adapts and regains his advantage over LB Jiren. So there were at least three gaps between pre LB Jiren and End of ToP MUI. So regardless MUI Goku should scale pretty high into the god of destruction tier if not outright be stronger than any god of destruction.
@@wcom9999 No I literally explained why I said "low Multi" But of course you cannot read. I literally said "Without using Higher dimensional Arguments and statements and just using the Universe 7 argument would put Uni 7 at low Multi
This whole line of scaling assumes that you need higher dimensional constructs to contain infinite lower dimensional ones which isnt the case, you dont need a 5D space to contain 2 infinite 4D realms, you can just have a 4D container thats higher into infinities of 4D ,you dont need an inaccesible transcendence And the whole "Otherworld is higher dimensional" argument just assumes the context in which those daizenshuu statements were made ,nothing suggests its saying that Otherworld literally has extra spatial axis compared to living world
@@srnova9486 buddy, just imagine a cube, and the cube is infinite, then you want to have another cube, but there is no place in a 3D construct for the second cube to be place in, that is what infinite mean, it doesn't matter if it is a higher or lower infinity, so long as it is infinite it encompasses all of the 3 axises and for another cube to exist, it needs to be adjacent in a higher dimension.
@@srnova9486 for the second part, will quote @wukongisas9564 " Good video, it's hilarious because there's A LOT more you couldve used. For example in that same interview where Toriyama talks about the macrocosm's map he blatantly calls the gods of the afterlife transcendent beings solidifying even more it's a higher realm, you also got page 198 of the DBS Broly LN that says Gogeta and Broly's fight transcends space-time, Daizenshuu 7 stating the realms of the afterlife exist in a hierarchy, the kanji describing the Deadzone meaning superspace, etc. Like DB's cosmology is busted"
Hey a few thing's you missed. 1. The spirit and time room is INFNITE in size basically it stretches to INFNITE . It's not just planetary size. 2. And there's more than one SUPERDIMENSION in Broly movie and it's unknown how many exist out there.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 It's been confirmed by Daizenshuu 4 it's the size of Earth not just Goku's speculation. Trunks saying endless is just perception of how the world is built. I would take Daizenshuu 4's reiteration of Goku's confirmation as accurate. Unless...you argue Rosat is universal in size but the surface they're standing on is earth size. But #2 you're correct however we want to focus on what we can bring to the forefront.
Great video but it sucks that RUclips didn’t notify me about it I had to stumble upon it thanks to other social media platforms. So do you plan on doing the same thing eventually for CC Universal tree SSB Goku? It could be interesting not only because he scales much higher but he has a lot more hax than normal Goku.
Would these abilities be very overpowered for a character to have in his setting? Cosmology manipulation, magic system manipulation, panmnesia, hyperawareness, hypercompetence, and power immunity?
@@atari_hmbare there infinite timelines in db? because I always read comments that said there were infinite timelines in db but others say that's not true so I wanted to ask if there were actually infinite timelines or are the timelines limited to those shown in the anime? and if there are infinite timelines, do you happen to know where it was stated in the manga or anime that they are infinite?
Man I loved this vid. Even if I don't fully agree with goku going past 7D, you've gathered info I've never seen or heard referenced before, I applaud you for that. I do have one question though, in dragonball mr. Popo says the pendulum room "created all of time". If we take this at face value, which honestly a little questionable, would this scale above 4D? I don't really know tbh.
Thank you for your kind words. To answer your question: No, because "all of time" refers to the universe in which they live. At the time, we never had Universe 1 - 12, so it is likely referring to the time within the Mortal Realm. It speaks of the "Past, Present, Future." So it doesn't indicate a myriad of timelines. Now if we assume it refers to All time for that universe; then that would include the time dilation between the ROSAT, which we know there are 3 of them thus far. This is likely to indicate something slightly above 4D or 4D+ (infinite timelines)
Love this video bro where do you scale his base form bri is it still Complex Multiversal. You should atleast divided it through forms like Base form is this then Ui is 9th dimension
Hello Atari_hmb what do you think of the present Sun Wokung power scaling dilemmas happening currently due to the chinese game that came out? The many outerversal scalers are back.
@@dsm2417 this video is just wrong it uses daishenzus and other meaning besides the manga to explain things and Even on the wiki of db it says the daishenzus are not canon, You can not use the daishenzus for powerscaling because they are not canon, Toriyama didnt wrote them neither participate on them
@@sebastiansalvatore8365yeah the famous db wiki there is nothing wrong with using daizenshuu as they are the official guide to the world of dragon ball approved by both Toriyama and Shueisha Furthermore, it is obvious that daizenshuu must be used for the cosmology of dragon ball cause the in-depth analysis of the cosmology in the manga and anime is comparable to nothing and explains little about it you can use daizenshuu for scaling and they are Canon Of course Toriyama didn't write all seven of them but his involvement in the production of them was constant (said by himself and the staff in the notes left at the beginning of each daizenshuu) as Toriyama approved and supervised the development of them this alone make them canon
@@gabrielp9665 daishenzus are used to explain things for the anine and non canon movies, they rarely explain things from the manga, Also Toriyama didnt make any daishenzus, all daishenzus are written by toritama's writers and they contradict with the manga, please investigate more before You talk, and btw he wasnt Even involved, he himself Said that the writers did everything from the daishenzus, the only thing he did was drawing images, not really contributing there, he is not like oda in a sense that he gets involved in every project, because he rarely gets involved in a project that is not the manga, which is perfectly fine btw.
No. Earth is DB is bigger than our own. The additional evidence can be around Arale Technically, R.O.S.T expands infinitely inside an earth size structure. Deadzone is closer to 5D. Bulma's assertion about the universe is countered by Jaco, also there's alot more material saying it's infinite than just 2 source. Even if it does have an edge, that wouldn't mean it's not infinite. But this is not a criticism The Afterlife is Outer, it's not just beyond the concept of time, exist transiently above it, being transcendent above dimensions and dimensionality as a whole. The Neutral Zone containing outerverse realms is crazy since the realms have countless to potentially infinite timelines with all realms. You skipped out on alot of the evidence because you don't like outer tiering and ignore arale which scales them higher. This is a lowball scale and alright for that.
@@RozwellMunchausenHe just explained why other world is outer. It is in itself lacking any space time as stated numerous times in the guide books and anime as well as being dimensionally transcendental. If your going to lowball it at least minimum hyperversal. He did say at the beginning of the video he's going for the bare minimum he can comfortably evidence and he's not comfortable with the outerversal meta and that's fine
@@frozone1973 He explained nothing, much like y'all DB fans who only take the most ridiculous interpretations they can justify, without thinking about consistency
@@narrativeless404 Yes he did. He even provided evidence that keeps his scaling consistent with official db sources. What more do you want? For db to be downscaled to planetary? 🤣🤣🤣
@@frozone1973 By "consistency" i mean how does that make sense within the story, not the "sources" he uses most of which are either non-credible or are terribly misrepresented No, i think planetary is stupid Uni+ is ok and consistent with the story
And that's just super and GT Goku? Yeah, that means CC and Xeno Goku are about to be easily outer, especially with all the "destroy all of creation"statements.
Love the Vid Atari, I got a request, would you make a video somthing similar to this one where it's somewhat short and compact of both the high end and low end DB/Goku scale 😂 Did bro jus read my mind
21:11 But in a guidebook its stated to be without the concept of time and space(the objective ones) its impossible to be 8th dimensional hence it lacks the existence of space
Yes, though it isn't necessarily 8th dimensional this is merely an assertion assuming it's below the time ring in rank/size. Then again Toppo who was above infinite Zamasu couldn't destroy it while going all out- so I suppose it could be dimensionless.
@@atari_hmb if there exist a realm beyond space/time woudn't that mean its beyond dimensionality Since higher dimensions is just higher spatialtemporality?
@@DfR464 when u imply space time . Most case it's asserted to be 3D+1T analogy . And being beyond that is 5D And by context it can go ( x+1 ) depending on how u established "x" formerly. In this case he asked how a Nondimensional existence can be rendered under dimensionality since it's not 0D ( non dimesional ) cause it verbatimly stated to have superiority over Spacial existence. Which fir Db is Afterlife and the Subspace 1. Afterlife is nonspacial but is above mortal realm which is dimensional 2. Subspace which has no conceptual space-time but can encompass hyperbolic time cham and Sugoroku space .
Like and new subscriber You're more consistent than most of DB scalers I have seen, also I agree that Goku could be complex multiversal at best in power, some people underrate and some overrate him
I never understood why people keep thinking the other word in the same space as the living universe. It never said the afterlife is a place you can get by spaceship or by flying there It clearly says the only ways to get there you even die or have teleportation technique. I don't know why people ignore this. They used the argument that angles are able to fly there but forget angles can go to different SpaceTime. Like whis did with future thunk timeline.
The other world cannot be 5-D and have duplicates accross timelines, it transcend the living world in that it is meta physical world 😅 Also for M. Takao Koyama you should take his words with caution, he said himself that he dont understand much about dimension stuff
I thought it was a mistranslation brought on by machine interpretations. From what I know the scan's excerpt had declared two descriptors. 1. The afterlife is dimensionally transcendental. 2. The afterlife can't be perceived from the living world. These were meant to be two seperate description phrases, but the machine translators had mixed "the afterlife transcends dimensions" and "the afterlife is imperceptible to the living world" into "the afterlife transcends the dimensions that are imperceptible to the living world."
Hey Atari, I’m a big Godzilla fan, and seeing that Death Battle is gonna do Hulk vs Godzilla, and that you brought up Thanos, where do you think Hulk can scale? Godzilla might get washed, but there are arguments to get some iterations to like 6D (or outer if you believe that guy who says he beats Cthulhu LMAO)
@@atari_hmb comp Godzilla is def crazy, but that’s what 70 years of history gets you lol If Hulk is around 6D, than I do think that Godzilla can prob win - depending on the iteration, and def with Composited abilities
Great scale but just asking do you think theres still arguments for outer Goku and it isn't completely out the picture (I know you probably won't respond)
Outerversal I don't think so- but that's mainly because the nature of outerversal It's a bit ridiculous on how larger it is. And the way the story is structured I don't see Goku hitting that tier.
It can be both since where everyone lives is the observable universe since that's where the "edge" is. The expanding part is where light don't reach; for example of this is Yakon lived on a planet with no light whatsoever
Consider a circle as Infinite universe ( don't think u can't assume an infinite space ) Now imagine an smaller circle withing that circle that's finite . Thus the space encompassing is Infinite in size but the matter confined within space is expanding
@@Nova-rd3hiyeah but It's just an assumption that 12d is low hyperversal (since it's the lowest hyperversal category) and infinite D (highest level hyperversal= high hyperversal) But I see what you are trying to say 😊
Goku's Raw physical strength can hold and punch Absolute extreme objects which has Irrelevant Density like beerus energy ball can evaporate anything even cosmos structures with the heat of beerus energy ball And magetta 's armor of Density who skyrockets his lava magma to far over star temperature and can absorb drinks lava magma make him extremely Absolute unstoppable
Make goku at least has raw Stellar physical strength,don't Forget he bench press the weight suit which sink through the Densest Planet like Beerus Planet meaning that suit make DB Earth end
Isnt 9D complex multiversal in the tiering system ? High l1c was 10D-11D, so your scale for canon goku is complex multiversal, seems reasonable, where does yogiri really scale, cuz everyone says hes outerversal
Can you have a hyperspace that isn't necessarily infinite 4D and could be like a greater or more powerful 3d spatial dimension that is parallel to the regular 3d universe's space while there are other parallel spatial dimensions with different properties beside it? Also why would the DBZ writer make a subspace greater then a hyperspace? I thought is sci fi terms a subspace is supposed to be a lower kind of time-space thus lower then a hyperspace. Why would the author name a greater dimension hyper space a subspace like that?
Good question, in some ways you can but given the hyperspace eats time itself but is bounded by the timeline- indicates there are limits it has. The question you ask in someway contradicts itself once an infinity has been reached; and even if we assume Aleph 1 for a higher 3D space- the metric would still be equivalent to a 4D space for AP in the Vs Battle metric most commonly used. But Akira Toriyama and Koyama has stated that the series is silly and full of all types of flunky things. Powerscalers simply take that information to make it cohesive for a vs battle setting.
@@atari_hmb I don't understand how Aleph has to do with 3rd and 4th dimensions. Minato's subspace isn't a 4d hax ability. What about the Halo series? They call Slipspace 11th dimensional but it doesn't show those properties of a transcendent dimension while they say the Halo Universe has more then 11 dimensions in it. What about that?
Even though I honestly scale Goku to Outerversal because I have arguments/scans to prove that the afterlife does indeed transcend the concept of dimensionality, this video is actually very well done and is not a horrible downplay like some people who says "goku is only universal", it is quite explanatory and easy to understand for those who find it hard to understand the cosmology of dragon ball (totally not me 2 years ago), I met your channel today and it's W, keep going.
Good to have you back bro
found you again
@@drip_sauce7967 his views are more consistent and non ambiguous as you’re. You should learn something
@@IbnJaaei didn’t ask for your opinion, so shut up
@@IbnJaae he gets more views than him though?
@@Munirxedits That's not what he even meant 🤦♂
Goku is so strong he made his own tier called "gokuversal" fr.
Your pfp is so strong you made your favourite own character's tier called "sonicversal" fr
Yo this was probably the best, most concise and digestible version of the scaling of DB’s cosmology that I’ve seen yet. Great job👍
High complex multiversal to low hyperversal is good for Goku and makes more sense than multiversal and outerversal.Great job💫✨
High Complex Multiversal to Beyond Hyperversal+++++via True limits of his strength is still unknown since it fluctuates over time 👍
@@HungThe-ce4jb ok,if you say so 🤷.
@@uzookafor8721 his easily high complex outer tbh
Low hyper is still to damn low.
He also kinda misses a few things in the cosmology it could easily hit Hyper to Hyper+
*Goku is Outerversal with Irrelevant Speed:*
As he has the power to destroy the Otherworld, a realm that transcends dimensionality, as stated by the Daizenshuu and other sources. When Future Trunks' timeline became a void devoid of space and time, Goku was able to move within it.
This is literally why powerscalers downplay Goku, because there wouldn't be anyway for other characters to stack up to him, so no versus Battles at all cuz he just solos
my first goat is back AND we have evidence from toriyama aswell as the narrative that goku black cut beyond literally all of this on a conceptual level
DB characters are just broken af
You mean when he used the scythe cutting through space? He says it’s a realm beyond his understanding so it would be above the brown space between timelines I’d assume
That's why he's the GOAT, Ain't no body beating Goku black the only Reason Ma boy lost was cuz of that Green elf 😒
When he fused even Gowasu stated he got weaker 😂
I mean go back and watch how Goatku black was packing the main cast up every single round then lost only after fusing 😂
Also Heroes did him justice for only a few eps where he went off but ruined with that plot induced stupidity where blue Gogeta took him out 😒
They could've done the bit where I believe he killed a UI Goku in his 86th battle and almost got his 100th kill they could've made him evolve further to a transformation only heard of in fan manga Ssj5 and allowed Xeno Gogeta and Blue Vegito to fuse into Gogito 🗿
After that if they 1 shot him I wouldn't have minded that
black has a gods soul within a mortal body. Goku cannot do that regularly. That’s all Zamasu nothing more nothing less. That’s why rose is different from blue it’s just zamasu going normal super Saiyan.
@@superismynameboi1358 yh that space would have to be above infinite timelines and the brown dimension in between since the Kai's have knowledge of everything within the db cosmology including parallel worlds/other timelines but since this was a space beyond his knowledge
This is just my own assumption, but I believe he cut space to such a degree that he allowed his cognitive thoughts to have a physical form meaning it'd be a higher dimensional whilst also being what he actually did since let's be honest Goku black was a narcissist so all he thought about was himself hence the only thing that appeared form there was himself 😂
Good video, it's hilarious because there's A LOT more you couldve used. For example in that same interview where Toriyama talks about the macrocosm's map he blatantly calls the gods of the afterlife *transcendent beings* solidifying even more it's a higher realm, you also got page 198 of the DBS Broly LN that says Gogeta and Broly's fight transcends space-time, Daizenshuu 7 stating the realms of the afterlife exist in a hierarchy, the kanji describing the Deadzone meaning superspace, etc. Like DB's cosmology is busted
Slide that scan bro
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@@wukongisas9564 I NEED THIS INFORMATION SLIDE
I scale him personally to low multi to multi to be safe but honestly I can see complex multiversal
This is why Atari is my favorite powerscaler. Goku solos 95% of fiction!
95% of fiction don't get past city level lol
@@tarisoala9717mostly the point probably
@tarisoala9717
Fun Fact More like Everyfiction don't get past city level lol Because
Everyfiction only get stronger and stronger cause thanks to the authors/the writers do them themselves-from Stan Lee the Nuff said and No one except AND FACT>>>>ASSUMPTION
Not even 50% 😂😂😂
@@BlurryRaps-t5tur Are True DB Hater - Waifus Suckers Can't understand Simple Things 🤢🤮
Bro is criminally underrated
Great video as always, the intro was amazing! I would just argue that low end goku is 9D+ because everything until 9D has substantial evidence and the higher end can be 12D+.
Living universe is infinite which makes it ∞ 3D + 1 Temporal Dimension.
The Hyperbolic Time Chamber is also at least 3D + 1 Separate Temporal Dimension, which means there has to be a 4D + 1 Temporal Dimension Construct containing the mortal realms because if the living universe is already occupying the infinite 3D, which means for another 3D realm to exist it needs to be adjacent in a higher construct.
Then there is the Dead Zone which is said to be a hyperspace, making it 4D + 1 Temporal Dimension
We don't know if the Dead Zone is infinite, but if it was, then the mortal realm construct would have to be 6D + 1 Temporal Dimension, for now we will just go with ∞ 5D + 1 Temporal Dimension.
All mortal realms are encompassed in a ∞ 5D + 1 Temporal Dimension Construct = 6D total (maybe daima will make this even higher with demon world)
Afterlife is at least 1 dimension higher which makes it 7D+
Hell is infinite, Heaven is infinite (size of living uni, so its infinite), then there is Sacred World of the Kai, Enma Palace, the dimension goku races a Kai, etc
Hell is infinite 6D + 1 Temporal Dimension
Heaven is at least infinite 6D + 1 Temporal Dimension
so, for two infinite 6D + 1 Temporal realms to exist they need to be adjacent in a higher dimensional construct,
making the Afterlife construct at least infinite 7D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 8D+ total, this is without including the mega dimension of gogeta vs broly or suguro space, which can make it 9D+.
This leaves us with the cardinal Universe 7 as a 8D+ Construct!
Neutral Zone containing the infinite 12 cardinal universes is 8D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 9D+ total
Zeno Realm would then be 9D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 10D+ total
World of Void would be 10D + 1 Temporal Dimension = 11D+ total
The Ring would then be 12D+ timeline
Lastly, the brown dimension between timelines would be 13D+
None of the above is wank or high end, this is truly the mid end scaling of the cosmoology.
The Higher end could arguably add another dimension for the mega dimension or for other dimensions like suguro space or subspace.
A low end for Goku would be 9D a mid end would be 11D and a high end
Well.
Outerversal
Hell yeah, Atari was and still is one of my favorite powerscalers, and while his scaling for Goku could be considered lowball, he's probably the person that fought the hardest against the constant 'Uni + to low multi' downplay that was pinned on Goku for so long.
Hey I really enjoyed your video. It was pretty easy to follow despite the fact I'm not very knowlegeble about cosmology and dimentional tiering in powerscaling.
I have a question though. How does the Demon Realm in Daima factor into all of this? In Daima it seems that the Demon Realm exists outside of the 12 Universes and Goku can't seem to use instant transmission to reach the Demon Realm.
Goku truly is underrated
Yeah right 😂
@@BlurryRaps-t5tkeep crying Vonkey fanboy
@@KingoftheLions-z87 I don’t even like vonkey 😭🙏🏽
Keep coping more, ur verse is fodder
One of the best scales ever
He scales to Gokuversal tier come on man this is common knowledge.
Great video! Glad to see this video!
Goku downplayers are on their way right now
@@riftmaker4478 That scale is wack. Forget wack its beyond criminal. What kind of scaling is that? Did you even watch the video? You should watch it it's very consistent
@rifter4478
You should eat 🙆💩
@@riftmaker4478 that scaling is horrible UI Goku at Island Level? take the goku pfp off we all know you're either a rimuru or saitama fan
@@riftmaker4478it easy to debunked your claims Frieza literally destroy planets vegeta in the Dragon Ball story both in Anime and Manga so Goku is above planets level.
@@riftmaker4478😂 it's funny the lengths u took to just rage bait people
I know Jump Force is a different Goku, but with how manga accurate so many characters were, it really makes you think what kinda cheese was Goku, Naruto & Luffy on to be made captains
The man the myth the legend has returned to put respect on the goat himself goku aka goatku
Perfect timing I was just searching for these type of videos
NO ARALE??!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
But jokes aside this was really good.
Bro didn’t even use Goku and Jiren shaking the Null Realm. This tells you that it didn’t take much to come to the obvious conclusion. Great video
Love this video bro!
You explain this to Death Battle and they would rather downplay Goku. They can't understand that DB is extremely complex to scale.
death battle dont even use the concept of "higher dimension" at all unless that character have feats that directly said they have 4D,5D,... power
Like they only scale how many universe that character can destroy but not how complex the universe they destroy are
@@nguyenlightduy7020 Too bad, because their methods make bad conclusions.
@@WinC119 yeah
Their method is pretty good in scaling and compare low-> Mid tier(City,Continent,Moon,...)
But when scaling high tier character their method just make so much Downplay
They run some stereotypical agenda lmao .
The same who say the dragon ball universe is finite. Yeah I agree with you, those guys don’t know how to scale
What about arale's infinite fictional transcendence u can get Goku to high hyperversal via the dbs cameo where Beerus also erases a character that survived narrative erasure arale also has immeasurable speed feats
@@newkiller4457 nope actually in dbs anime Beerus is stated stronger than arale and mui top Goku In the anime is stronger than Beerus the manga is different continuity and this cameo doesn't even occur in the manga
@@newkiller4457 nope. Goku was already above that ever since buu saga
@@dantesinferno5420 MUI Goku in the anime has no official statement about being above Beerus, it all comes from promotional materials stating Jiren is stronger than some gods of destruction, the fandom then assert that Goku being over Jiren means above Beerus which no is not the case, there is no official proof that Goku ever surpassed Beerus and pls remember that the 70% statement is not factual it's for the bog movie which is set in the gt timeline not super in both the super anime and manga this claim in nonexistent and the manga has the most statements about arale even showing the db map that shows penguin village officially making arale cannon to db, Akira toyirama also confirmed it in an interview
@@superroboStill anime Jiren has many statements about being above the gods ( blanket statement) from outside sources and in the anime Whis implies that Belmode was the one could be stronger than Beerus and the one who beat Beerus in arm wrestling. Jiren is straight up confirmed to be above Belmode.
@@superrobo Another thing to consider every statement made to hype up anime Jiren was made about his pre limit breaking self. Initial MUI Goku was absolutely dog walking pre LB Jiren.
LB Jiren was able to turn the tables on initial MUI Goku almost completely but after MUI Goku got his second wind he overpowered LB Jiren to the point he had momentary lapse in judgment and attacked the innocent audience
So it goes like this pre LB Jiren was hyped up to be stronger than the gods or at least his god who in the anime was considered relative to Beerus at least by Whis.
Initial MUI Goku gaps pre LB Jiren hard then LB Jiren turned the tables on initial MUI Goku almost completely then finally end of fight MUI Goku adapts and regains his advantage over LB Jiren. So there were at least three gaps between pre LB Jiren and End of ToP MUI. So regardless MUI Goku should scale pretty high into the god of destruction tier if not outright be stronger than any god of destruction.
W brother
Amazing video
Crazy how this is just a lowball .
Low multi fandom in shambles
This is not a Lowball this is A mid accurate ball using his interpretation of the scans homie
@@TheeSinnerman weren't u the caps at low multi gang
And it's a low ball . I will extrapolate why .
@@wcom9999 No I literally explained why I said "low Multi"
But of course you cannot read.
I literally said "Without using Higher dimensional Arguments and statements and just using the Universe 7 argument would put Uni 7 at low Multi
@@TheeSinnerman I don't when u said such way. Ur debunk video definitely didn't say that ig
@TheeSinnerman
No,universe 7 is Extreme Multiversal++++
Cant wait for downplayer coping 😂
This was worth the wait 😁
This whole line of scaling assumes that you need higher dimensional constructs to contain infinite lower dimensional ones which isnt the case, you dont need a 5D space to contain 2 infinite 4D realms, you can just have a 4D container thats higher into infinities of 4D ,you dont need an inaccesible transcendence
And the whole "Otherworld is higher dimensional" argument just assumes the context in which those daizenshuu statements were made ,nothing suggests its saying that Otherworld literally has extra spatial axis compared to living world
@@srnova9486 buddy, just imagine a cube, and the cube is infinite, then you want to have another cube, but there is no place in a 3D construct for the second cube to be place in, that is what infinite mean, it doesn't matter if it is a higher or lower infinity, so long as it is infinite it encompasses all of the 3 axises and for another cube to exist, it needs to be adjacent in a higher dimension.
@@srnova9486 for the second part, will quote @wukongisas9564
" Good video, it's hilarious because there's A LOT more you couldve used. For example in that same interview where Toriyama talks about the macrocosm's map he blatantly calls the gods of the afterlife transcendent beings solidifying even more it's a higher realm, you also got page 198 of the DBS Broly LN that says Gogeta and Broly's fight transcends space-time, Daizenshuu 7 stating the realms of the afterlife exist in a hierarchy, the kanji describing the Deadzone meaning superspace, etc. Like DB's cosmology is busted"
@@srnova9486 speaking of down players. It's my favorite. Still using surfbones real world logic to downplay dragon ball?
@vashthestampede9999 you can just contain it with a higher infinite 3D cube,there isn't infinite 3D then just nothing then 4D
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@@Matheodbz-qx3yt 😏
@@atari_hmb said if you do vs shorts can you do iori kof vs composite ryu
Hey a few thing's you missed.
1. The spirit and time room is INFNITE in size basically it stretches to INFNITE . It's not just planetary size.
2. And there's more than one SUPERDIMENSION in Broly movie and it's unknown how many exist out there.
@@abhijeetgolder7535 It's been confirmed by Daizenshuu 4 it's the size of Earth not just Goku's speculation.
Trunks saying endless is just perception of how the world is built. I would take Daizenshuu 4's reiteration of Goku's confirmation as accurate.
Unless...you argue Rosat is universal in size but the surface they're standing on is earth size.
But #2 you're correct however we want to focus on what we can bring to the forefront.
*iori laughs evilly*
you may need to ask ATARi_HMB to make a video on the power of cosmology (kof)
I agree with the scaling as lowball this a really good scale.
26:14 the fact that your net even glazeing about him being able to kill ppl in one punch is wild
HE FREAKING CAN😂 GOKU SOLOS OPM
@@BlurryRaps-t5t fax
Where are those dudes who use portals and time travel and covers to scale that one star boy
Great, now scale CC Goku, and then Jump Force Goku
Great video but it sucks that RUclips didn’t notify me about it I had to stumble upon it thanks to other social media platforms.
So do you plan on doing the same thing eventually for CC Universal tree SSB Goku? It could be interesting not only because he scales much higher but he has a lot more hax than normal Goku.
This is really Good
99% Anime < Base Enough ✅
Fax bro,Base Goku>99%anime
@@HungThe-ce4jb Thanks BRO for understanding me
So, the lowest lowball we can get on DBS Goku is 9D+.
@@candyvegitto1310 he would till get one shot by many characters if that’s sp
@@IbnJaaewho exactly because I will debate you.
@@jphater4470 bet drop a discord. He gets one shot by all of Asgard Thor, Superman, and cosmic avatars
@@IbnJaae all cap at hyperversal
@@IbnJaae send feats of how they are outerversal.
I could believe more of a 9d Goku hyper and outer is glaze to me tho
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Drip sauce already made a video of how strong is anime and manga super goku
And he scaled him up to outer
Would these abilities be very overpowered for a character to have in his setting? Cosmology manipulation, magic system manipulation, panmnesia, hyperawareness, hypercompetence, and power immunity?
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@@atari_hmb back and black
Once and for all, until Goku gets stronger.
Go crazy with Heroes scaling
Yo Atari who wins? Capsule Corp Goku or Shun'ei?
@ATARi_HMB do you think about making vs shorts when you have 3K subscribers
Can do it now
@@atari_hmb are you going to start making vs shorts???
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@@atari_hmbare there infinite timelines in db? because I always read comments that said there were infinite timelines in db but others say that's not true so I wanted to ask if there were actually infinite timelines or are the timelines limited to those shown in the anime? and if there are infinite timelines, do you happen to know where it was stated in the manga or anime that they are infinite?
Ayyyy i wondering where bro was
Man I loved this vid. Even if I don't fully agree with goku going past 7D, you've gathered info I've never seen or heard referenced before, I applaud you for that. I do have one question though, in dragonball mr. Popo says the pendulum room "created all of time". If we take this at face value, which honestly a little questionable, would this scale above 4D? I don't really know tbh.
Thank you for your kind words.
To answer your question:
No, because "all of time" refers to the universe in which they live. At the time, we never had Universe 1 - 12, so it is likely referring to the time within the Mortal Realm.
It speaks of the "Past, Present, Future." So it doesn't indicate a myriad of timelines.
Now if we assume it refers to All time for that universe; then that would include the time dilation between the ROSAT, which we know there are 3 of them thus far. This is likely to indicate something slightly above 4D or 4D+ (infinite timelines)
@atari_hmb Gotcha, thankyou. Btw you should do a video on fortnite goku scaling. Not sure if you know much on that though.
Love this video bro where do you scale his base form bri is it still Complex Multiversal. You should atleast divided it through forms like Base form is this then Ui is 9th dimension
Hello Atari_hmb what do you think of the present Sun Wokung power scaling dilemmas happening currently due to the chinese game that came out? The many outerversal scalers are back.
Wukong is fodder
Old system new
System boundless
Yeah i always thought Gokus mid end is around Complex multiversal and immesurable speeds
Nah
It's Uni+ and MFTL+ speeds
@@dsm2417 this video is just wrong it uses daishenzus and other meaning besides the manga to explain things and Even on the wiki of db it says the daishenzus are not canon, You can not use the daishenzus for powerscaling because they are not canon, Toriyama didnt wrote them neither participate on them
@@sebastiansalvatore8365yeah the famous db wiki
there is nothing wrong with using daizenshuu as they are the official guide to the world of dragon ball approved by both Toriyama and Shueisha
Furthermore, it is obvious that daizenshuu must be used for the cosmology of dragon ball cause the in-depth analysis of the cosmology in the manga and anime is comparable to nothing and explains little about it
you can use daizenshuu for scaling and they are Canon
Of course Toriyama didn't write all seven of them but his involvement in the production of them was constant (said by himself and the staff in the notes left at the beginning of each daizenshuu) as Toriyama approved and supervised the development of them
this alone make them canon
@@gabrielp9665 daishenzus are used to explain things for the anine and non canon movies, they rarely explain things from the manga, Also Toriyama didnt make any daishenzus, all daishenzus are written by toritama's writers and they contradict with the manga, please investigate more before You talk, and btw he wasnt Even involved, he himself Said that the writers did everything from the daishenzus, the only thing he did was drawing images, not really contributing there, he is not like oda in a sense that he gets involved in every project, because he rarely gets involved in a project that is not the manga, which is perfectly fine btw.
And btw the anime is not canon
No. Earth is DB is bigger than our own. The additional evidence can be around Arale
Technically, R.O.S.T expands infinitely inside an earth size structure.
Deadzone is closer to 5D.
Bulma's assertion about the universe is countered by Jaco, also there's alot more material saying it's infinite than just 2 source. Even if it does have an edge, that wouldn't mean it's not infinite. But this is not a criticism
The Afterlife is Outer, it's not just beyond the concept of time, exist transiently above it, being transcendent above dimensions and dimensionality as a whole.
The Neutral Zone containing outerverse realms is crazy since the realms have countless to potentially infinite timelines with all realms.
You skipped out on alot of the evidence because you don't like outer tiering and ignore arale which scales them higher.
This is a lowball scale and alright for that.
There's a difference between not liking the outer argument, and seeing flaws and no true evidence for outer
@@RozwellMunchausenHe just explained why other world is outer. It is in itself lacking any space time as stated numerous times in the guide books and anime as well as being dimensionally transcendental. If your going to lowball it at least minimum hyperversal. He did say at the beginning of the video he's going for the bare minimum he can comfortably evidence and he's not comfortable with the outerversal meta and that's fine
@@frozone1973 He explained nothing, much like y'all DB fans who only take the most ridiculous interpretations they can justify, without thinking about consistency
@@narrativeless404 Yes he did. He even provided evidence that keeps his scaling consistent with official db sources. What more do you want? For db to be downscaled to planetary? 🤣🤣🤣
@@frozone1973 By "consistency" i mean how does that make sense within the story, not the "sources" he uses most of which are either non-credible or are terribly misrepresented
No, i think planetary is stupid
Uni+ is ok and consistent with the story
And that's just super and GT Goku? Yeah, that means CC and Xeno Goku are about to be easily outer, especially with all the "destroy all of creation"statements.
Love the Vid Atari,
I got a request, would you make a video somthing similar to this one where it's somewhat short and compact of both the high end and low end DB/Goku scale
😂 Did bro jus read my mind
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21:11 But in a guidebook its stated to be without the concept of time and space(the objective ones) its impossible to be 8th dimensional hence it lacks the existence of space
Yes, though it isn't necessarily 8th dimensional this is merely an assertion assuming it's below the time ring in rank/size. Then again Toppo who was above infinite Zamasu couldn't destroy it while going all out- so I suppose it could be dimensionless.
@@atari_hmb if there exist a realm beyond space/time woudn't that mean its beyond dimensionality
Since higher dimensions is just higher spatialtemporality?
@@atari_hmbso u don't oppose the idea of these realms having aspaciotemporal existence .
W
@@DfR464 when u imply space time . Most case it's asserted to be 3D+1T analogy .
And being beyond that is 5D
And by context it can go ( x+1 ) depending on how u established "x" formerly.
In this case he asked how a Nondimensional existence can be rendered under dimensionality since it's not 0D ( non dimesional ) cause it verbatimly stated to have superiority over Spacial existence.
Which fir Db is Afterlife and the Subspace
1. Afterlife is nonspacial but is above mortal realm which is dimensional
2. Subspace which has no conceptual space-time but can encompass hyperbolic time cham and Sugoroku space .
@@wcom9999 so then where do u scale afterlife and subspace in db
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You're more consistent than most of DB scalers I have seen, also I agree that Goku could be complex multiversal at best in power, some people underrate and some overrate him
Goku at least is complex multiverse level and Far higher
I never understood why people keep thinking the other word in the same space as the living universe.
It never said the afterlife is a place you can get by spaceship or by flying there
It clearly says the only ways to get there you even die or have teleportation technique. I don't know why people ignore this.
They used the argument that angles are able to fly there but forget angles can go to different SpaceTime.
Like whis did with future thunk timeline.
Got a question for you
Your evif son of Levi comic looks interesting gonna start reading it soon
All version of goku fuses together with all the plot armor vs sun wukong with nirvana
Nirvana wukong is hyperversel
Old system
MAYBE GOKU WINS
New System boundless
HE LOSES
There's somthing called ki control so that's why blue goku and vegeta didn't destroy the time chamber
The other world cannot be 5-D and have duplicates accross timelines, it transcend the living world in that it is meta physical world 😅
Also for M. Takao Koyama you should take his words with caution, he said himself that he dont understand much about dimension stuff
Otherworld is 5d,kiddo
Its always the user of this 😅emoji with the most dogshit comments
Do a Goku VS Yogiri 👋
CC Goku Next????
Hope you can now make a Goku vs Saitama video that is short
So who's stronger between GT goku and super goku???
Super goku
Isn't the 'that cannot be perceived from the human world' part in the afterlife scan in reference to the afterlife itself?
I thought it was a mistranslation brought on by machine interpretations. From what I know the scan's excerpt had declared two descriptors.
1. The afterlife is dimensionally transcendental.
2. The afterlife can't be perceived from the living world.
These were meant to be two seperate description phrases, but the machine translators had mixed "the afterlife transcends dimensions" and "the afterlife is imperceptible to the living world" into "the afterlife transcends the dimensions that are imperceptible to the living world."
@@Omshant69even together the meaning doesn't change
I want to know what you do GT, CC or xeno Goku
What about DB Heroes & the feat of Arale and DB-GT Goku stated to be above it? What would you say how high Goku would scale then?
Like Do you think there is a need to update the video of Xeno Goku of 2 years ago?
Did gt goku not destroy that space after it was already heavily damaged? You can see debris falling down even before goku shoots the beam.
And that is just super goku imagine how strong is hero’s Version
Could we get a scaling video for the big 3?
Hey Atari, I’m a big Godzilla fan, and seeing that Death Battle is gonna do Hulk vs Godzilla, and that you brought up Thanos, where do you think Hulk can scale?
Godzilla might get washed, but there are arguments to get some iterations to like 6D (or outer if you believe that guy who says he beats Cthulhu LMAO)
I think Hulk can be argued 6th dimensional for destroying the Dark Dimension- but composite Godzilla may ROFLSTOMP but I'm not 100% caught up
@@atari_hmb comp Godzilla is def crazy, but that’s what 70 years of history gets you lol
If Hulk is around 6D, than I do think that Godzilla can prob win - depending on the iteration, and def with Composited abilities
Godzilla in hell vs Hulk
Great stream
Goku 💪💪
High-end DBS Goku is low hyperverse
Great scale but just asking do you think theres still arguments for outer Goku and it isn't completely out the picture
(I know you probably won't respond)
Outerversal I don't think so- but that's mainly because the nature of outerversal It's a bit ridiculous on how larger it is. And the way the story is structured I don't see Goku hitting that tier.
@@atari_hmb alright thanks 🙏🏾
Atari, what do you think of Comic Curator's takes regarding the power of Dragon Ball characters and it's cosmology?
That guy is just mad over him getting dunked for being a bitched by Db fandom
He's doing purposefull downplay
Plz make cc goku power scale.
What’s your opinion about on the Warp-Sama from Daima?
W scale, I was just wondering do you really believe goku could defeat infinite zamasu? Like now? Like I just wonder how do they kill him?
He is stronger but wouldn't "beat him" due to immortality.
@atari_hmb
Your Right,Infinite Zamasu just extremely Dangerous to Merge Entire infinite Timelines but doesn't mean he is strongest
So how can the universe be both expanding and infinite?
It can be both since where everyone lives is the observable universe since that's where the "edge" is. The expanding part is where light don't reach; for example of this is Yakon lived on a planet with no light whatsoever
Consider a circle as Infinite universe ( don't think u can't assume an infinite space )
Now imagine an smaller circle withing that circle that's finite .
Thus the space encompassing is Infinite in size but the matter confined within space is expanding
Goku is outerversal level
and innerversal
@@aafresh-yt4363 DBS Goku low hyperverse is good 👍
@@atari_hmbhow do subspace / afterlife u literally stated being without space time fall under dimensionality
@@Matheodbz-qx3yt There literally is no high or low hyperversal by definition.
@@Nova-rd3hiyeah but
It's just an assumption that 12d is low hyperversal (since it's the lowest hyperversal category) and infinite D (highest level hyperversal= high hyperversal)
But I see what you are trying to say 😊
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Goku's Raw physical strength can hold and punch Absolute extreme objects which has Irrelevant Density like beerus energy ball can evaporate anything even cosmos structures with the heat of beerus energy ball And magetta 's armor of Density who skyrockets his lava magma to far over star temperature and can absorb drinks lava magma make him extremely Absolute unstoppable
Make goku at least has raw Stellar physical strength,don't Forget he bench press the weight suit which sink through the Densest Planet like Beerus Planet meaning that suit make DB Earth end
Goku punching GTA train would break his hand tho
W est scaling
Gokuversal
No,not
A world whit only goku
"Hey its me goku"X99
Hey ATARI where do you scale mk1 Homelander?
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Isnt 9D complex multiversal in the tiering system ? High l1c was 10D-11D, so your scale for canon goku is complex multiversal, seems reasonable, where does yogiri really scale, cuz everyone says hes outerversal
he's outer in anime high outer in light novel
ATARi said that DBS Goku mid-end is 9D+
and he says that DBS Goku high-end is low hyperverse
@@R9nne He ain't outerversal 😭, stop with outerversal (it ain't that easy to get)
@@BROKEN_1212 dimensionality not mastering to him in itself is outer
@@BROKEN_1212yes he is also night omnipotent doesn’t get you to outerversal that’s being limitless that has nothing to do with dimensionality.
Can you have a hyperspace that isn't necessarily infinite 4D and could be like a greater or more powerful 3d spatial dimension that is parallel to the regular 3d universe's space while there are other parallel spatial dimensions with different properties beside it?
Also why would the DBZ writer make a subspace greater then a hyperspace? I thought is sci fi terms a subspace is supposed to be a lower kind of time-space thus lower then a hyperspace. Why would the author name a greater dimension hyper space a subspace like that?
Good question, in some ways you can but given the hyperspace eats time itself but is bounded by the timeline- indicates there are limits it has.
The question you ask in someway contradicts itself once an infinity has been reached; and even if we assume Aleph 1 for a higher 3D space- the metric would still be equivalent to a 4D space for AP in the Vs Battle metric most commonly used.
But Akira Toriyama and Koyama has stated that the series is silly and full of all types of flunky things. Powerscalers simply take that information to make it cohesive for a vs battle setting.
@@atari_hmb
I don't understand how Aleph has to do with 3rd and 4th dimensions.
Minato's subspace isn't a 4d hax ability.
What about the Halo series? They call Slipspace 11th dimensional but it doesn't show those properties of a transcendent dimension while they say the Halo Universe has more then 11 dimensions in it. What about that?
who wins him or rimuru?
Base goku one shots rimuru (rimuru is 4d to 5d and baee goku dbs is 6d bare minimum since he scaled way above above universe 7)
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