Cessna Caravan Structural Failure 18 Nov 2022 Renton WA.
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2022
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20 Nov UPDATE: 4 Fatalities onboard accident aircraft
@Bri Ba Couple of pilots and couple of engineers probably..
@@prodigalpilot According to news reports, an engineer recording the data which is now lost in the fire and the director of flight testing. Names will be released today. Rest in peace.
The aircraft was unmodified and in a stock configuration. They were collecting baseline data. Must have assumed it was safe.
2 larger high wing aircraft, both out of Renton,WA , and both suffering in-flight structural failure within a few months of each other. This a coincidence, or... ?
@@flienlow6281 what? I missed the other one, do you have the tail number?
As a retired Army helicopter pilot and after retiring I used my GI-Bill to earn my fixed wing ratings. It’s easy to get discouraged and perhaps be tempted to step away from aviation. But yet we still drive automobiles when accidents happen everyday. So much fear today in many walks of life but I tell myself we must continue to live life and be as safe as we can. Content like this is helpful. When I was Blackhawk pilot I never liked to take chances. I wasn’t an “air show Dan.” If the weather was questionable we didn’t go. Some generals weren’t happy they had to go by ground but hey..they are still alive. My heart goes out to these families who lost loved ones. All I can say is continue to learn, we are all student pilots, use the checklist, do good weather analysis and don’t be afraid to speak up. Everything else is in the creators hands. Anyway……
Gravity is always in charge we just toy with it.
great comment thank you
All is in our Creator's hands anyway. This comment made my day, Jim.
67T 88-93 here. Used GI Bill too. Built 160kt four place experimental. It’s a dangerous hobby with little room for error. We had a lot of risky fights when I was in. Snow storms with 1000 foot radio towers a few hundred feet in front of where we decided set down for the night. About froze even with intermittently running APU. Flying NOE at night under NVG’s. Landing and taking off 15 helicopters with troops, dirt and dust everywhere, losing sight of each other. Someone forgot to lock the quick disconnect for hydraulic pump, that got our attention at night. Glad we had three pumps, two cylinders per servo when the red 83282 was running down the cargo door windows.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s discouraging to see so many accidents, but then you realize far more car fatalities happen everyday and we keep driving. This morning, a 29 year old female went off the highway near us, smashed into a house, caught fire and destroyed the house. The driver died at the scene. They are investigating to see why she went off the road. I’ll still drive the same highway, continue to maintain my car and use safe driving habits to likely (and hopefully) never meet the same end. Flying is quite a bit more risky but it helps to know that the risks are manageable, normally. And I agree wholeheartedly that our Creator is in control.
Thank you to Juan for the excellent reviews.
Having worked in aviation and been on the certifying tests after a major repair or modification the flying pushes the aircraft to the maximum limits. During the series of stalls and recoveries you hear the airframe creaking and reacting to the loads. This flight may have also had a test ballast installed as well. Sadly with airframe failure it's a very rapid transition from controlled flying to absolutely no control. In essence completely terrifying as the pilots would know their time is up.
I too was wondering if there was a test load in the pod and if so, how was it distributed and secured.
I went on a jump run a few times in a caravan and for this type of flying your wearing a parachute which initially gave me great confidence but as soon as the last jumper is away and it’s time to descend I quickly realized if something went wrong it was unlikely I would be strong enough to over come the g loads
Agreed, lots of stress on the airframe.
Yes. The ballast should be investigated. If the ballast is loaded to test conditions, and it shifts, CG limits come into play as well.
Good comment.
We can conclude then that the device they were testing is not fit for purpose given the results of this destructive test. Don't buy anything from these boys!
Having been with NTSB investigators on-sitte, or been the initial responding/reporting authority at remote Alaska crash sites, as the responding trooper (hoping that I was recording as much useful info as I could think of), this tragic scene at least offered the most pristine, flat, obstruction-free post-crash moments that I could imagine for investigators. The news helo crew provided a rare, almost immediate post-crash view, which narrowed-down so many of the initial questions and will give NTSB a leap forward in the process. Juan, your concise, credible data and graphic resources, and your class and respect in presenting these to the public, are without equal. Especially with your personal familiarity with those lost at Dallas, you mustered the discipline to provide everyone with an enlightening, focused look at the realities of how nobody is immune from the brutally impartial physics we hang on when we choose to fly. That's a pretty tall order, sir, and you carry it off well. My sincere condolences to the families of the two people lost. The data and track appears that they were closely following a pretty extensive test card, and I am sorry that they were given no chance to recover.
This is why I love this channel. The number of comments that add more value. Thanks for your perspective, it's not only interesting, it brings emphasis to the "lighter side" of investigating scenes.
@@jaaremynicewanderit’s bullshit haha
As someone who knew one of the four deceased, thank you for this coverage. I'm really upset that people are assuming it was the crew's fault before the investigation has even begun. Thank you for keeping a balanced view and covering it with dignity.
Please don’t take any comments like that to heart, the first instinct of people who don’t think with logic is to blame whoever they can blame. More so telling you that they are less conscious and the part of the brain that keeps you alive is more dominant in their personality as they dont USE their left and right brain respectively and aren’t aligned… these people are not worth paying attention to as they have blindfolds on that only allows them to see little in life.
There's something particularly terrifying having an aircraft crash due to structural failure. Of all the various accidents and incidents out there, it's chilling to just have an aircraft break apart on you.
Knowledgeable speculation.
To be clear, I'm not speculating on the cause, only that it appeared to break up above the ground.
@@IcyTorment New? the Caravan has been around for ever.
@@BobABooey. 2021 MODEL!!!!!
@@BobABooey. description clearly states this plane was built in 2021. But yes, the Caravan has been around quite awhile.
I flew with the pilot who perished, he was such a wonderful human and skillful aviator, he’s taught me so much about the physics side of aerodynamics. He will be missed.
@@brentnewton7055 Names will be released on Monday, respect the family's privacy.
@@brentnewton7055 Probably best to talk privately with the authorities then.
Rest in peace to the pilots, and condolences to the families.
I flew gliders out of Arlington - not far from where this accident occurred. My brother used to fly the Caravan for the same company that lost the seaplane in the Puget Sound. It’s never easy to hear about a fatal aviation accident. But this one hits a little closer to home. May the pilots Rest In Peace.
I live in snohomish and this aircraft crashed in the field next to ours. Those parts at 5:55 are actually on our farm. As a student pilot it was crazy to see an accident that close to me!
Wow!
Take some pictures so we can verify their identity.
@@chupacabra1765 Why would he do that? Why would you ASK him to do that?
Mental disorder
@@blancolirio Fire truck on a Emergency race on the runway when LATAM Airlines plane was taking off both
Bursts into Flames after hitting the fire truck Nov 18 2022 in LIMA , Peru
Two firefighters killed 102 passengers and 6 crew got out safe
I've been flying Caravans for over 24 years. They are well built, strong, and reliable. I even spun one after a severe ice/turbulence encounter with no damage to the airframe. Something doesn't add up here...
It sounds as if the pod influenced the flight dynamics. I don't recall any another 208 experiencing an inflight structural failure (I could certainly be wrong).
@@randyminnick5031 Or the pod came off, damaged/ripped off the tail fin and then the wing broke off due to the resulting loads as the plane was falling out of control ...
@@JanCiger Bingo. This is exactly what I think happened. If it was just the stabilizer that failed it would just be the stab laying there all by itself and that wouldn't damage the pod. But since part of the cargo pod is right next to the stab the only logical conclusion would be that part of the pod came off, hit the tail and both fell to the ground together.
@@JanCiger Back to the drawing board.
@@JanCiger I agree.
Thank you again for making videos like this one, answering most of our questions regarding the details of what may have happened, as well as providing solid facts on the vehicle(s) involved. Your view is highly appreciated, thanks to your solid background and experience. Very good, sir.
Was listening to the fire scanner when this came out. Due to the location they had a heck of a time getting hoses and subsequently water out there. They eventually sent out a brush truck to help (seen near the end of the KOMO4 video) and it sank up to its axles and they had to get a tow truck to pull it out. The nearby State Route is still closed at the scene and they don't know when it will reopen.
That is the Barnstorms RC runway that they are parked next to.
No fancy banners or moving graphics. Just facts and a professional perspective. Thank you Mr. Brown for your content!
This was a baseline flight test no modifications. Instrumented for data collection. Two pilots two engineers onboard. Thank you for the video, I have a very close tie and history with the flight test engineer. I can assure you he made sure everything was by the book.
I also knew one of the crew and I agree with you fully. These guys knew what they were doing. I feel strongly in my gut this was a maintenance issue. I will be following the investigation closely.
I flew with the pilot on several flight test programs as a flight test engineer. He was one of the best human beings I've ever known and probably the most experienced pilot I've ever flown with.
Thank you for making the community safer with your reports Juan! Your videos have saved me from making a mistake me at least a couple times.
I took out a taxiway sign with my port outrigger a few weeks ago. I guess that's a mistake but it shouldn't have been there. :D
Even with parachutes, after losing a wing the g loads would make it virtually impossible to exit the aircraft.
A friend had that happen in a hang glider and the g load was so high he couldn't lift his arm to reach the parachute. He only survived because the g load eventually caused his harness backplate to fail and he was spat out of the broken glider.
I couldn’t agree more having spent some time in the copilot seat of a caravan doijg skydiving operations
Every report, no bullsh*t facts. Love it. I learn so much on every post. thanks!
Always a great Job Juan TY
Thanks Juan!
Can always count on your reporting.
Stay safe!
Thanks Juan for the heads up on this one
Thanks for the speedy info on this accident.
Solid content. The flight test protocol, ballast loading, CG limits...everything is in play.
So sad for those pilots. The Cessna Caravan has an outstanding reputation as a reliable and safe aircraft. I got a kick out of flying as a passenger on one from Port Townsend WA, to Boeing Field back in the early 2000's. Fantastic aircraft. I can't imagine what could have happened to cause this accident. Thank you Juan for all you do. Mahalo!
208 has some issues.
Doubt it was the plane. Since the stabilizer is next to the pod and those are seperate from the main wreckage it means that part of the pod broke off, hit the tail, and those fell to the ground together away from the main wreckage.
Brilliantly explained as always well done 👏🏼
Thank you for the report Juan.
As always thanks Juan!
Thankyou Juan such a sad accident RIP crew and thoughts to the family of the caravan crash.
Performing test flights is and will always be a risky task for even the most skillful among us pilots! It is always particular sad to hear when such talented pilots loose their lives, my heart goes out to their surviving families and may the two Rest In Peace.
Thank you Juan for your documentary about the so far known facts of this tragic accident.
Go fly this plane until it comes apart so we can see how much it can take. Um ... how about NO.
@@noname-zg8lh please keep your opinion to yourself, you obviously are not a pilot because you obviously do not have the slightest idea what is required by test pilots! Your comment is insulting to the deceased and their families!
I wouldn't mind being a member of the caterpillar club if I had silk available. I like your comment Juan about special doors on the plane for risky test flights.
Were they doing flight testing or aerobatics?
@@jmaniak1 the Cessna Caravan is a commuter aircraft not an aerobatic aircraft and not approved for such. The integrity of a cargo pod had to be tested at high angles of attack and slow speed including stalls and stall recovery. Stalls can occur at any speed, so high speed stalls and this can involve some unusual flight attitudes. To fly those tests requires utmost flying skills in order to avoid exceeding speed and structural load limits! Therefore do test pilots undergo specific training. The change of airflow of the cargo pod can drastically alter and impact proper airflow. Also the structural integrity can be impacted under the required maneuvers and lead to parts coming off and potentially damage parts of the aircraft. We can test nowadays most issues on computers but not all and for certification it is required to test fly the aircraft with the pod to assure its absolute safety! Now here is the big question did part of the cargo pod structure fail and damage parts of the airplane that lead to the accident, or was the airplane accidentally over stressed by the maneuvers? Another factor could play fatigue of a structural part not directly related to the testing itself. That is the reason why we pilots generally stay back from drawing conclusions and wait until a full investigation has been made, identifying the true culprit! But in any case we show utmost respect for the highly skilled test pilots who pay the ultimate price to keep us all safe!
Heart felt condolences to family, loved ones and friends of the two individuals who lost their lives today.
High angle of attack, front pod mod separates and falls aft and impacts with the tail? I have 900+ hours in the 208B flying cargo - GREAT AIRCRAFT! Flying throughout TX and OK in serious turbulence, one flight I landed at OKC along with an American flight who had ambulances meet the aircraft at the gate due to SERIOUS turbulence... I walked away with bruises on my body due to the harness. Gold CFI's comment below has an excellent point and I concur with leokimvideo's assessment of test ballast in the pod possibly "disassembling" the pod during the test flight and possibly impacting the tail - hence their parts not near the impact area. I'm a Seattle/WA pilot: My heart goes out to the families/friends.
always a Thank You for complete info, Juano.
Thank you for the update.
My first thought is pod failed, pod debris took off horizontal stabilizer, over stressed wing due to pitch change and wing separation
My thoughts, too.
Yup
As always, great footage Juan,
I know you will stay on top of this one !
As tragic as this accident is, the answers to the structural failure issues are obviously going to be critical !
The debris field area seems to be quite spread out, although there are no specifics on the distances of flight surfaces from the main airframe just yet, and of course the "g" loading numbers should tell us a lot !
Looking forward to hearing back from you on this one Juan, I am in a wheelchair, and almost purchased this type of aircraft for my own use, but shied away from it only based on the price point at the time.
So I have a very focused interest in the ultimate outcome of the facts of the accident report as they come out.
Thanks again Juan !
As always, thank you for bringing logical explanations for this tragic event
Without trying to speculate. When we see what appears to be a horizontal stabilizer laying near what also appears to be a part of the underbelly cargo pod; I immediately question if the pod detached and took out the stabilizer thereby causing this accident? Only raising a question. I make ABSOLUTELY NO insinuation of pilot error or fault. Me deepest condolences and prayers for loved ones of those lost airmen. It’s been a horrible week for all of us who call the sky our office &/or our second home.
being a "test flight" aircraft let's hope they had a working cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder to determine what happened.
I am so sorry to hear about this accident especially after the recent incident in Dallas Texas, my condolences to the family.
Thanks for all you do Juan! Always interesting and informative 👍.
As always real information, delivered in just the right way.
Good job, JB as,per usual
Flew a couple times in that plane over the summer. Kind of a interesting plane as it was spec’d for work in east Russia, it had a “bathroom” in the rear of the cabin. Although it was removed for the current owners.
I wonder if the pod had test "ballast" in it of some kind - testing flight characteristics with simulated cargo. Really sad for the families and coworkers. That's got to hit really hard.
This, and of what composition and how was it secured?
The plane broke up in a completely unmodified and stock configuration.
just speculation... the portion of the pod lying with half of the elevator makes me think that the pod or part of it detached and clipped/removed the elevator causing the final result. I'm sure the NTSB will get to the bottom of it. A sad day for the Pilot's families and the aviation community in general.
Thanks again Juan
Q13 News (Fox affiliate in Seattle), just ran a clip of this video at about 8:05am today.
More recognition for you and your excellent videos!
I wonder if the pod failed and damaged the horizontal stab.. resulting in a subsequent in flight break up.
My thoughts exactly
@@eugeneweaver3199 The KOMO video does not show any obvious pod pieces that separated.
@@bills6093, clearly shows a dark blue item, alongside the left horizontal stabiliser. The pod is dark blue.
@@johnnunn8688 Watch the video at KOMO. It's not the pod.
@@johnnunn8688 Yes, the pod is dark blue, but the item in question is in shadow and is not actually dark blue. Watch the KOMO video.
Thank you Juan.
Thanks, as someone who lives within sight of where this went down, I’m really interested in what happened
Thank you for the video.
In the KOMO helicopter video you can see that the two blue pieces that are well away from the main wreckage are the horizontal stabilizers. Both of them somehow separated from the aircraft inflight. The wing likely then failed as the speed of the aircraft exceeded the max structural load in the ensuing dive.
Excellent content.
This is why I love the idea of an airframe parachute
I wish you were able to comment on Alaska Airlines Flight 261 when it went down. You always do a fantastic job.
Appreciation for many informative videos.
Thanks Wayne!
That moment you break your plane must be a terrifying moment right up until you cease to be.
You do a fabulous job giving a preliminary analysis of these events. I was unaware that this was a test flight and that alone gives us much information as to what happened here. The fact that large pieces came apart makes me wonder if the airspeed increase resulted due to a stall and loss of control. When it's all said and done we are left with a tragic loss of life of these two pilots.
Always so tragic. RIP.
Thank you for briefing.
thank-You Juan!
Wow! STC flight testing! My dad developed performance improving STCs for Cessna 150/152 & 172s, including the "Texas Taildragger," larger engines & fuel tanks, all in kits which the owner and/or an A&P could install. I remember well the days of flight testing, his wearing a parachute (which he hated), and the changes in my dad's outlook & personality toward flying. He was much more serious during this phase of STC development. He had to do things with small Cessnas that aren't normal and didn't like it one bit. I often asked to join dad on any flight I could, but of course my requests were refused during STC flight performance testing. This video shows why.
Sad. Condolences to the families.
The area where it happened is known in the Seattle area as the NE Practice area and is usually busy. It is not unusual for the "working aircraft" to drift North with the relative wind toward the Snohomish airport (Harvey Field). Very sad to hear of the crash, but more so to learn it was a Raisbeck flight. RIP and my prayers to the family of the pilots.
Yup, that's where KPAE based students fly practice, RIP
Indeed……..condolences to all… 🕊
Not charted as such
@@markpeterson6924 FYI,It's one of the four local areas that most of the flight schools in the SEA/PAE/BFI/RTN/S43 area adhere to and note to their students. There is a low altitude and a high altitude zones in the NE practice area. BTW, on a good day it's busy. Really busy. True, the accident was in that area, yet most likely not caused by association to traffic that area.
Good stuff man, thank you
Juan, Thank you for your view on this crash, it does leave me with the question of which failed first, the wing or the cargo pod, it would appear that the wing failed first if that was the piece located farthest from the main wreckage. The video was a little unclear to me as the which pieces were form farthest away. God Bless and keep up the good work.
That happened close to where I live. The super tight turns and rapid ups and downs the ADS-B shows sure seems to indicate they may have over-stressed the airframe. Sad for the loss of lives.
*Happened
@@jumpinjojo Thank god you pointed out the typo, I was going crazy wondering what "happed" should be. FFS.
I live in Marysville and people in my town and in Snohomish are claiming they recognize it as the same plane doing "stunts" days before. Not sure of thats true or not.
@@DM-qp7do if it was doing test flights, there is high likelihood they extended over many days. And the test maneuvers may well look like stunts
@@leahholland6272 I was thinking the same. People are saying they saw "loops" and barrel rolls but it was probably tests
Renton is about a hour+15 away. Just heard of this. Rest in piece and solitude test pilots, you were making things safer for others and we thank you for your ultimate sacrifice. My father bent a strut once on his Citabria. It had a easily seen bend to it about mid span. He was a big guy, and he took another big guy up with him for some aerobatic fun. Both with chutes on. He was still underweight by a safe margin, but that didn't matter. Didn't see until they landed and climbed out, then went white faced. "Oh S***".
Two different eyewitnesses that posted about it on a Snohomish neighborhood app stated they saw it lose a wing and then corkscrewed to the ground while on fire, one reported hearing a loud droaning sound just before it lost the wing
A picture posted of the smoke trail clearly showed it corkscrewed straight down
Wow!
That’s a sad loss. Testing mods. Bless them
Thank you.
Juan, I always give you a 'Like' for your clips and professional information given. I don't always like the content when, for any reason, an aircraft goes down.
Fair point, I often have an internal debate whether I should give a thumbs up or not. I usually choose the thumb up, to show gratitude for the work put in to make the video.
I heard this call go out over Snocom today on the scanner and thought I was hearing some kind of training. It became clear pretty quickly that it was the real deal.. very sad.
You must be close as well ?
Wow, you don't expect this to happen on a one year old airframe!
RIP 🙏 & condolences to all affected 😭
Having thousands of hours in the van in extreme conditions I’m surprised to see it come apart like that. They are strong airframe’s.
Those are some very tight and continuos turns in the flight radar…
I believe the two items are both light blue and are the L and R horizontal stabs. The top one in the photo just looks dark blue because the angle it is on precludes the direct sunlight from hitting the surface and thus making it look darker than the lower one which has the sum on it's surface.
Hopefully they should have had a number of GOPRO's on the outside to check possible aerodynamic performance issues, wool tufting etc. brought up by their modifications.
Wow this Caravan was almost new. It must have been put into a serious stress situation to break up in flight.
For such a safe and reliable aircraft / airframe I have to wonder..
The weather here was 10 mile visibility, no wind. This happened 7 miles from my home.
Big question is how many of these stressing flights have it done, could be that they have repeated this for a week or what ever and eventually things failed.
I wonder in the high G load turns , did the baggage compartment fell off, and hit the rear stabilizer assembly. Which caused a loss of control and an even higher G load, which made the wing depart.
@@billmadison2032 Excellent theory.
I live really close to Snohomish Washington and residents in Snohomish are saying they recognize this aircraft as the same one that has been doing "stunts" in that area days before.
Rest in Peace. Prayers for their loved ones.
Possibly, that retrofitted front fairing being added to improve the cargopod's aerodynamic characteristics suffered a progressive separation. Depending on how it began pulling away from the aircraft body peeling back from the front, there would have been some rapid developing and severe asymmetry at play.
Worked on a fleet of 208Bs with purple tails for 14 years. The Caravan is a workhorse but designed to be just strong enough for the job safely.
The backbone of the aircraft is the floor to belly box, including all 5 seat rails. There are two bulky ring frames that carry the load from the floor assembly up to the wing fittings. The forward ring has the lift strut attachment and the aft ring has the landing gear trunions on it (yes the gear is mounted on trunions like a retractable gear aircraft, the gear assembly itself is an inverted U shaped assembly and the center tube between the trunions is the spring for gear flex)
The tail and roof of a Caravan is thin sheetmetal with small structural framing of thin metal that is easily bent by hitting it. The tail surfaces are attached to this empenage cone and are also of fairly light weight aluminum construction.
I've seen a Caravan wing bend just outboard of the lift strut from getting driven into the ground by a strong cross wind, but it's rather surprising to see that a wing came off at the root, that connection is stout. The tail connection I can more easily see coming apart, especially if a chunk of composite fairing hit it, or the aircraft was overstressed.
RIP to the crew, pray for their loved ones and coworkers.
Looking at the Komo 4 video, you can see almost immediately that the left horizontal stabilizer/elevator is sticking more or less straight up, and the numbers are very clearly visible as well. This aircraft slammed into the ground like a pancake, flat on its right side, or maybe rolled a little towards the inverted. If they lost the right wing, that's exactly how it would have come down.
This is an incredibly popular, capable aircraft with an impressive safety record, but even a strong well built aircraft has limits. Flight testing is intended to find those limits, but not pass them. Sometimes.... mistakes happen. Especially in flight testing.
My heart goes out to the friends and family.
It’s sad to hear about something like those. I used to give this plane flight following through the Anchorage area almost every day.
Juan, I'd love to see/hear your preliminary thoughts on the twin (I believe it was a Lear) that went down in Waukesha WI a week ago with 53 dogs on board (all of which survived). It was a cold, rainy day with snow and drizzle and I suspect it was an icing problem of some sort, but they've been extremely tight lipped regarding the crash, acting like it almost didn't happen. The plane went down on a golf course very close to the airport...no fatalities, luckily.
very interesting, maybe stressed parts of the plane not designed for the particular air frame, great report.
Wow I guess you really have to yank the airplane around to cause it to come apart. I’d never sign up to be a test pilot. Very sad. Thanks for the information Juan.
YOU CERTAINLY WASTE NO TIME OBTAINING INFORMATION ON THIS TRAGIDY JUAN ... YOUR ECCELENT FACTUAL PRESENTATION REGARDING THESE TOO FREQUENT AIR TRAGEDYS , IS GREATLY APPRECIATED , AS POSSIBLE USE IN AVOIDING POTENTIAL DISASTERS OF WE PILOTS ... THANKS AGAIN SIR X
As a retired airframe engineer, these planes were built very well. The G's the plane can handle are way above printed in the specs.
Such a shame, they are a very reputable company with ton of STCs to their credit. Sadly just trying to play catch up with Daher and the new 900. With an integrated cargo pod and wheel fairings ( pants ) that helps the 900 Kodiak crush the TAS of the 208. Thoughts and prayers.
Thank you, Juan. More souls and kinfolk to pray for. 🙏🙏
Looks like the wing strut mount structure ripped out of that wing. My bet is G overload considering those very tight circles.
On second look it appears the wing may have hit the tail on the way off since the rear edge of the wing is damaged.
This is just a sad event and a terrible loss for the families of these pilots.
RIP my fellow aviators.
The one single thing I love most about aviation safety and why I think it's so incredibly effective is the lack of individuality in the laying of blame. It just never gets personal because that's not effective. In aviation the human is just another subsystem in the whole, with a failure rate just like any other part needed to keep a plane flying. "Pilot error" is not a direct attack on that specific pilot, it's a warning that our current system of training and certifying pilots can be improved upon.
This hits home. Scene is just east of S43 Harvey Field, Snohomish, WA and West of W16 First Air Field Monroe,WA. Crash was also over or around 2 small RC runways but that does not appear to be a factor. This is not a typical flying area either as aircraft "typically" fly south or east of S-43. I believe there were also reports of someone hearing a loud bang or explosion while Aircraft was flying.
Sounds fun! Just bought a travel trailer. I'll drive, thanks. But hey! Have a nice flight.
RIP flight crew!
Since it was flight testing I'm curious if the pod and or the fuselage had a certain amount of "cargo" weight for the flight testing that day?
The Caravan is a rugged reliable aircraft so what ever happened it centers around the flight testing that day, including possibly pilot error, we will have to wait for the updates.
Crazy. Very rare to hear of an airframe failure like this, at least back in the day. Condolences. RIP.
Taking materials to the limits for weight considerations is a dangerous endeavor.
Nailed it again. Show the evidence, explore possible causes, stop there. Well done.