That was a awesome video, I been driving manual transmission cars all my life, I been driving manuals for 56 years and i be drive them as long as I can drive I have a Mustang GT with 6 speed
@@eddiefe428 I’ve had mine for several years and everything has went up. I think they are somewhere in the ballpark of 5K in today’s market new. You can find used ones for about 1/2 that. I really haven’t priced a new one in a while tho
I’ve had many come up to me and say I thought you had a stick shift, I say I do. They would argue until I show them a stock Ford shifter on a top loader. The clutch set up and shift linkage is the most critical things to get right. I didn’t do any trick stuff to blocking rings or anything but have broken a few shift handles off on the 2-3 shift. If I had a trans like this I could do it with less effort as I’m almost 70 years old but can still shift with the best of them.
Good description of HD 4 speed transmission. You described the design and operation perfectly. Every time (my daily driver) transmissions starts to have problems, and cost $$$$$$$, and nobody can fix them I really wish I had something that simply worked.
The case is aluminum, the top cover and tail housing is most likely magnesium. Ford only used 10 spline input shafts, they had 2 different diameters 1-1/8 and 1-3/8.
Thanks for the video. I saw you at an southeastern Gaser meet enjoyed seeing your car and meeting you . Thanks for you time you spent with me and my son . As an old timer and past my racing days I love the real racing of the southeast Gaser .
Very interesting vid. Many people like to speak of the Ford top loader but fail to recognize the muncie m22 rockcrusher. In my days of street rodding I’ve ran the m22 combination with a 4:11 gear in the rear and literally tried to break this trans but never had to call a tow truck or buddy!😂😂 impressive
I remember trying to break one when we were kids back in the late 80’s.We were dumping the clutch at 6000 rpm’s over and over and it lived.Uncle had so many old muscle cars and he kept us drive his 68 Camaro with a rockcrusher.We never could break it.The motor was nothing special was only pushing around 375hp but still.I will never forget.
@@joshuagarvey9362 Never has more truer words been spoken! These transmissions are bulletproof from the factory! The M20 and M21 was designed for general applications but the M22 was built for the dawn of the big block era. Hard torque is what these gems love! Just a descendant of the Borg-Warner T-10 and they built them to perform and last.
In the 60s and 70s our top loaders we would grind off every other synchro tooth on the first second and third synchros,, it allowed more chances to go into gear quicker... 18:25
I saw a little undercut on the dogs... interesting undercut because it's not like the oldschool straight undercut but somewhat of a V or U type of undercut. I undercut quite a few motorcycle dogs, with a dremel... takes forever because you have to match the undercut inside the slot it goes into as well, wich is not like your transmission where it's a dog hitting another dog and easy to see if the undercut is mating 100 % and all dogs and slots mate at the same time the same amount or you will sheer the dog right away on the first pull. I had no choice but to undercut them because new gears were not available, but at the same time it made the transmission NEVER slip out of gear, which was the problem in the first place. Manual transmissions are SO simple compared to Automatic transmissions.
Interesting... What bikes are you working on with no replacement gears available? What about the heat treatment/surface hardness after refinishing gear dogs?
Man that thing is a TANK. Quite an impressive transmission! With those straight cut gears that things gotta sound like a old school bus! Awesome! Output... Output shaft.... you were trying so hard, but it's output shaft that you were trying to say. Lol
@@frizzellracing I'm just entering the world of 4 speeds myself. Seems like EVERYTHING out here was and automatic! Blah!! So as of late I managed to get my hands on 3 toploaders and 1 T-10. So I'm gonna be diving into this and trying to figure out combos to get them to work in a few of my cars. Great video you did, lots of info!
@@OlysGarage awesome ! I’ve always been a 4 speed racer, and they can be very fast and get the job done. There is a few trick and tips that make them work and you have to set the vehicle and suspension up a little differently. But they can hurt feelings. 😂 I’m happy to help anyway i can if you need it.
@@frizzellracing awesome! Well I may be picking your brain in the near future. 0ne goes behind an FE in my 56 Fairlane, one behind the 351w destined for my 50 F1, and the T10 is headed behind the Y-block in my 56 Customline. Whew! Now to just get started in them!
I race a 340 4-speed and have rebuilt my own transmission. You've explained things very well. The advantages of a standard transmission vs a automatic is the ability to launch harder at a higher rpm.
I really like your car. My mother bought a new 63 Galaxy 500 with a 390 4V and 3speed. It was white with blue interior. My father was the service manager at LaFayette Ford and they sponsored Fred Lorenzen for several years in NASCAR. We also had a boat with HolmanMoody 302 in it. 😊
@@frizzellracing It sure is. Back in the good ol days it was a lot of fun. The original dealership building is long gone, the name is still the same under new ownership. One of the original owners son had an awesome car collection with one of the Fred Lorenzen 63 race cars, a Thunderbolt, Shelly's etc. About a dozen or so in a climate controlled garage. He passed away a few years ago, though. I had lost contact with the family so I have no idea what happened to everything.
@@rottman88 it’s a shame the original building is gone. I have to make a quick in and out trip to LaFayette and would be cool to see the building. But like so much great history I’m just a little late on it.
@frizzellracing It is a shame. Those old buildings stood for a while as other businesses until they were torn down and City Hall and the P.D. is now there. A parking deck, too. Progress. The Purvis family wound up building two different Ford dealerships in Fayetteville and a silent interest in a Lincoln Mercury dealership, too. In Fayetteville. There was also a Ford dealership in Virginia that was theirs, from what I understand. A lot of things have changed since then, though.
Great educational video Mr Frizzell.Definitely want one of those G-Force transmissions for my 408 sbc pushing 510 torque.Still running this M20 behind it that on the street for 4 years that is lasting.Scratching my head to how the transmission is lasting so long because I am extremely hard when I drive it.The 68 Camaro only weighs 2845lbs and the tires break loose so with no load and breaking tires might be saving it some?I do like your rods adjusting.I did put in a V-gate shifter 2 years ago and I love it.Had to make some custom rods do to moving the shifter over closer to the trans.It came with 4 spacer total and I took out 2.Only need to down shift the 3rd with the 4’11 gears I am running.I do shift at 7000 and still scratching my head to how this transmission has survived.Knock on wood.Your video definitely has me thinking about a few things thanks.
I've always liked shifting vs a slush box. My father insisted on them in his drag car's back indy 60s and 70s. I've only done one death shift in a Toyota. No loss. $10k for these is a little out of my realm, especially these day's. I have the utmost respect for FEs even though I prefer mopars. I grew up around the wood brother's and the dunahoo brother's in Virginia. As long as it's American, I love it.
Good video buddy, I love gas shifting a four speed! I don't have a face plate or dog face trans! 65 Chevelle Muncie M20 and M21 and shift @ 7K Drag racing and I love it 400 hp 334 (.040 327) It is a blast! not the fastest or most powerful, but it's mine I built it and haven't broke it YET! Rowin the boat is the only way to go for me! I,m more consistent with an auto but a stick is way more fun! It's a little harder on parts,but I LIKE IT!!🚔🚔
helical is the name you were tryin to remember for the gears the factory used.... one of the biggest benefits is noise and vibration.... trade off is they try to shove each other away when torque is applied..... the dog gear engagement has been industry standard in motorcycles for decades.... i been a dealer level tech for years and cant remember ever seeing a bike with synchronizers..... synchronizer function is in the name.... they help the next gear get spun up to same speed as the last gear ..... straight cut gears take less effort to engage..... great video with lotsa info
Thank you very much. And yes there is days I can’t remember my name. 😂. But I also do what I can to try to explain it so everyone can understand what I’m talking about. But there was a couple times in that video I had a complete brain fart trying to think of a name.
If I recall right, think I have heard some OLD motorcycles used syncros. Obviously that didn't last. Heck, there was a time when motorcycle controls weren't standardized across different makes and models. Those must have been interesting times...😂
@@frizzellracing Hahaha. Reminds me of first time I rode a motorcycle, a friend's dirtbike. After only riding bicycles up to that the point, I think the front brake may be on opposite side. I'm not sure at the moment, haven't ridden a bicycle in some time. Never ridden a scooter but I think ive heard they have the front brake on the left? I may be mistaken.
Don’t forget Liberty!! They make some of the best faced, dog boxes as well!! But definitely a good starters guide to straight cut geared transmissions ⚙️. I’m “halfway” through a Hillclimb/ Canyon cutter. I am weighing my options on what transmission to run. But it will definitely be a faced manual dog box!! P.S. I broke a motor mount with my first one lol. It will always find the weakest link in your suspension and back half of the driveline! Makes a better car imo lol.
The only time I’ve dealt with liberty was sending them a transmission to have faceplated or pro shifted. I wasn’t aware they actually made transmission. Good info
It'd be worth it for Liberty if they could come up with a version of their transmission that could also do downshifts for the drag n drive faithful. So they can run a higher diff ratio and have lower 1st and 2nd gear so as not to need an overdrive unit, which would be a welcome saving of weight. Lenco said they were coming out with a downshifting version of their box, but so far I havent seen anything concrete.
Excellent video, I assume you have carbureted engine. I run a GFORCE faceplated unit in my Challenger and plan to put a GFORCE 2000R in my Dakota. Run it into the rev limiter and grab the next gear without the clutch. Hold on and have fun. Thanks for keeping the art of manual driving alive.
I didn’t hear if you mentioned that the gears were face plated. I learned to drive a manual transmission in a 1963 20 speed twin stick Mach truck the only time I used the clutch was to stop and start.
Syncros are nothing but shift-lever actuated brakes to de-accelerate the speed of the clutch-disc or discs, the input shaft, the counter-gear shaft, and all the gears engaged with it, (including the over-drive gear) to match the speed of the locking rings engaged with the output shaft so that the desired gear and a locking ring can be more easily engaged. "Change my mind."
Got a Jericho with the same h pattern shifter in my 63. 1/2. Drove it to cruising the coast in 2013 from Brenham Tx.. Trans has been in the car since 2001 .It is bullet proof. 7.49 @ 92 in the 1/8 at 4180 lbs.
Great video! I build shifters for fun, noticed you don’t have stops on your shifter to protect the shift arms on the transmission? They would be in the two threaded holes on the front and back of the shifter.
They were not in it in the video you are correct. I take everything apart and clean it, I had already started taking it apart when I thought about making the video.
God Bless and G’Day from Down Under ✝️👍✝️ 🇦🇺. Cool video thank you Mate. Someone may have already said it in the comments, but the TK range of gearboxes, generally speaking, are used in the modern Mustangs and Camaro’s. Tremec is the brand name. Go Well Bloke 👍😎👍
I like your description of the h pattern that you run. I'm a vertical gate fan and I never thought how good an h pattern could be if set up right. I will keep this in mind for the future. Still love my vertical gate.😊
I noticed you don't run any shift throw adjustment bolts on your shifter. I know on a traditional synchronized 4 speed you have to set those adjustments or you'll 'crowd' the blocker rings and hurt them. I suspect that's not the case with a dog style synchronizer. I'm trying to get some understanding on this. Great video, sir. Love those Galaxies! Subbed and thumbs up!
So I actually hadn’t planned this video, I was just gonna clean everything up and put it in the car. So I had already taken those off and was in the process of taking stuff apart to clean and inspect when I decided I’d film it. Kinda spur of the moment thing. But I do run those in the shifter. Thanks for watching and good eye
It’s a Hightower racing transmission. They are made in SC. And when I say made in SC I mean every piece. The guy even machines his own shims and washers.
It's not hard on the street you just got to pull the clip up when you want to go to first or second. I can go from Third to second, fourth to second, second to first, all those shifts that would automatically want to go up in gear (actually the shifter would drop down) I can make them go up (to the lower gear) just by pulling the clip. No need to go through the sequence. You might say it's a little extra effort to stop in the middle but not really.
I ran a top loader with liberty gears and Hurst ram rod. Shifter, 5:43 gears Detroit locker in a 67 fastback, 4 gears in a city block wasn't much that could out run my mustang downtown Pueblo CO 1985 to 1988 still got the car still has a 289
I bought the thing from a guy for $150.00 that was in 1984. I since have set the car up for road racing still drive it on the street still have the locker but now use a close ratio top loader and a super shifter 3 4:10 gears
I describe it as it's harder to get it out of gear than it is to get it into gear, mostly the 1/2 shift. when torque is being applied it's really hard to get it out but when you push it towards a gear, It literally gets sucked in. getting it in gear is never the issue.
The only real advantage an automatic has is the torque converter multiplies the torque off the line where the manual just slips the clutch usually the torque multiplication in the automatic only applies at the launch but two cars with equal power and weight but one being a manual and one automatic the auto will leave faster if you can take out all the other human variables ect.. I still like manual transmissions because any old back yard mechanic can change a clutch cheaply and easier than trying to overhaul a automatic one which requires a lot more knowledge and skills and tools to do and also the manual if you don't abuse it will nearly last forever besides the regular clutch changes. As far as just regular street driving I prefer to have a manual also as long as you don't live in a city with lots of traffic then that clutch becomes a pain in the keister.The fluid in the torque converter gets flung outward at the hit and redirected back onto itself actually increasing the power output of the car for free in a flywheel on a manual that free energy is locked inside the material of the flywheel and you cannot get it out this is the physics of why the automatic has an advantage over a manual.
Hey, Could you possibly explain your clutch setup in a little more detail?..curious if it's an 11", if you use a clutch tamer or a slipper style and adjust the weights or a multiple disc..
Funny thing is I did a whole video on my clutch setup and never published it because I thought it would bore people to tears. 😂 I would be happy to do one. But my current setup is a ram clutch, slipper style and I do run counter weights.
I would like to see a good video on the slipper style of clutch, how it functions, flywheel weight, steel or aluminum, composition of disc and how you adjust the weights..I assume you have a Browell style of bellhousing with access plate..to me It's a whole science getting a clutch car off the line without destroying the transmission, driveshaft or Ring& pinion, PLUS if you occasionally drive it on the street what is changed or is it as far as settings?
If you have Facebook look for a G-force or a Jericho. Those are the most common and the Jericho would probably be the cheapest. But new Hightower is in S.C. and G-force south is in NC.
My Jerico ( no h...) HUNG EVERTIME ON 2 TO ...3. YEP ITS A DOG BOX NOT DOG BONE MY FRIEND. I WENT TO A 5spd. Librety.... Back to a LENCO 4 spd. Good job friend! Respectfully, Seth .
I’ve never personally used a Jericho but I would imagine you can get a dud in any of them. I’ve never had a issue with the Hightower not sure what would cause one to hang like that
@@frizzellracing Appreciate it... ! Jerico was no help.. would like to try the one you have... KUDO'S for awesome 🤘🙂👍 racing content on RUclips, I always appreciate great transmission experiences, Thank You, Respectfully, Seth
I'm a chevy guy but I know the ford top loader is better than a muncie and super T10. But I could never figure out a way to adapt them to a chevy bell housing.
I assume you mean the 5 and 6 speed race style transmissions and not stock transmissions. I have not ran a 5 or 6 speed race trans so I can not give you a real answer on that. I would assume they are very similar just with a different spread between gears and the case will be much larger so you have to make sure you have the tunnel space available
I agree the V-gate is good. And if you’re familiar with them they are great. I don’t think they are as “street” friendly. But at the end of the day it’s what your use to. I do 100% agree nothing better than banging gears !
To my knowledge all my family is originally from NC although I do have some distant relatives that moved to Washington and California back in the 60’s or so. Maybe some went to Texas too
@@frizzellracing maybe it's just not a common name you see. We lived in Beaufort S.C. for a few years. Are you related to Lefty and David Frizzell (country singers) They are like 3rd cousins.
Rival the gear change speed of an automatic, yes, but you're forgetting the more important reason that everyone chooses an automatic in drag racing besides massively higher torque capacity.. The torque multiplication of a torque converter!! And before someone says that auto transmission cars are boring.. If your car is boring with a properly selected converter and a transbrake, it's time to find yourself a new engine builder!
I honestly don’t know what they cost now. The prices on stuff changes so often these days. My guess would be $4500-$5000. But that is just a guess I see them used pop up for in the $3,000 range
Spoken likes someone who has never gone fast before and liked it. Seriously life begins at 200 miles per hour, but hey you do you and leave the racers to do race car stuff.
That was a awesome video, I been driving manual transmission cars all my life, I been driving manuals for 56 years and i be drive them as long as I can drive I have a Mustang GT with 6 speed
Thank you sir
@frizzellracing what does a transmission like you got cost
@@eddiefe428 I’ve had mine for several years and everything has went up. I think they are somewhere in the ballpark of 5K in today’s market new. You can find used ones for about 1/2 that. I really haven’t priced a new one in a while tho
I’ve had many come up to me and say I thought you had a stick shift, I say I do. They would argue until I show them a stock Ford shifter on a top loader. The clutch set up and shift linkage is the most critical things to get right. I didn’t do any trick stuff to blocking rings or anything but have broken a few shift handles off on the 2-3 shift. If I had a trans like this I could do it with less effort as I’m almost 70 years old but can still shift with the best of them.
Good description of HD 4 speed transmission. You described the design and operation perfectly.
Every time (my daily driver) transmissions starts to have problems, and cost $$$$$$$, and nobody can fix them I really wish I had something that simply worked.
The case is aluminum, the top cover and tail housing is most likely magnesium. Ford only used 10 spline input shafts, they had 2 different diameters 1-1/8 and 1-3/8.
Thanks for the video. I saw you at an southeastern Gaser meet enjoyed seeing your car and meeting you . Thanks for you time you spent with me and my son . As an old timer and past my racing days I love the real racing of the southeast Gaser .
Very interesting vid. Many people like to speak of the Ford top loader but fail to recognize the muncie m22 rockcrusher. In my days of street rodding I’ve ran the m22 combination with a 4:11 gear in the rear and literally tried to break this trans but never had to call a tow truck or buddy!😂😂 impressive
I remember trying to break one when we were kids back in the late 80’s.We were dumping the clutch at 6000 rpm’s over and over and it lived.Uncle had so many old muscle cars and he kept us drive his 68 Camaro with a rockcrusher.We never could break it.The motor was nothing special was only pushing around 375hp but still.I will never forget.
@@joshuagarvey9362 Never has more truer words been spoken! These transmissions are bulletproof from the factory! The M20 and M21 was designed for general applications but the M22 was built for the dawn of the big block era. Hard torque is what these gems love! Just a descendant of the Borg-Warner T-10 and they built them to perform and last.
In the 60s and 70s our top loaders we would grind off every other synchro tooth on the first second and third synchros,, it allowed more chances to go into gear quicker... 18:25
Why would you grind them off the first gear synchro?
I saw a little undercut on the dogs... interesting undercut because it's not like the oldschool straight undercut but somewhat of a V or U type of undercut.
I undercut quite a few motorcycle dogs, with a dremel... takes forever because you have to match the undercut inside the slot it goes into as well, wich is not like your transmission where it's a dog hitting another dog and easy to see if the undercut is mating 100 % and all dogs and slots mate at the same time the same amount or you will sheer the dog right away on the first pull.
I had no choice but to undercut them because new gears were not available, but at the same time it made the transmission NEVER slip out of gear, which was the problem in the first place.
Manual transmissions are SO simple compared to Automatic transmissions.
Interesting... What bikes are you working on with no replacement gears available? What about the heat treatment/surface hardness after refinishing gear dogs?
Man that thing is a TANK. Quite an impressive transmission! With those straight cut gears that things gotta sound like a old school bus! Awesome!
Output... Output shaft.... you were trying so hard, but it's output shaft that you were trying to say. Lol
😂. Yeah that’s the word. 😂. I swear some days I forget my name. 😂
And honestly it’s not crazy loud. You can hear it. But not as bad as you would think
@@frizzellracing I'm just entering the world of 4 speeds myself. Seems like EVERYTHING out here was and automatic! Blah!! So as of late I managed to get my hands on 3 toploaders and 1 T-10. So I'm gonna be diving into this and trying to figure out combos to get them to work in a few of my cars. Great video you did, lots of info!
@@OlysGarage awesome ! I’ve always been a 4 speed racer, and they can be very fast and get the job done. There is a few trick and tips that make them work and you have to set the vehicle and suspension up a little differently. But they can hurt feelings. 😂
I’m happy to help anyway i can if you need it.
@@frizzellracing awesome! Well I may be picking your brain in the near future. 0ne goes behind an FE in my 56 Fairlane, one behind the 351w destined for my 50 F1, and the T10 is headed behind the Y-block in my 56 Customline. Whew! Now to just get started in them!
@@OlysGarage getting started is the hard part. 😂
I race a 340 4-speed and have rebuilt my own transmission. You've explained things very well. The advantages of a standard transmission vs a automatic is the ability to launch harder at a higher rpm.
God Bless you Sir for something you and I share, and that is Sunday is reserved for Church and Family!
I really like your car. My mother bought a new 63 Galaxy 500 with a 390 4V and 3speed. It was white with blue interior. My father was the service manager at LaFayette Ford and they sponsored Fred Lorenzen for several years in NASCAR. We also had a boat with HolmanMoody 302 in it. 😊
Wow. That’s a lot of history in one spot. Is the LaFayette ford still there ? And a Holman moody engine is super cool
@@frizzellracing It sure is. Back in the good ol days it was a lot of fun. The original dealership building is long gone, the name is still the same under new ownership. One of the original owners son had an awesome car collection with one of the Fred Lorenzen 63 race cars, a Thunderbolt, Shelly's etc. About a dozen or so in a climate controlled garage. He passed away a few years ago, though. I had lost contact with the family so I have no idea what happened to everything.
@@frizzellracing for clarification it was a 1963 Galaxy Fred Lorenzen race car. I forget the actual number on the car. It was white with blue inside.
@@rottman88 it’s a shame the original building is gone. I have to make a quick in and out trip to LaFayette and would be cool to see the building. But like so much great history I’m just a little late on it.
@frizzellracing It is a shame. Those old buildings stood for a while as other businesses until they were torn down and City Hall and the P.D. is now there. A parking deck, too. Progress.
The Purvis family wound up building two different Ford dealerships in Fayetteville and a silent interest in a Lincoln Mercury dealership, too. In Fayetteville. There was also a Ford dealership in Virginia that was theirs, from what I understand. A lot of things have changed since then, though.
Great educational video Mr Frizzell.Definitely want one of those G-Force transmissions for my 408 sbc pushing 510 torque.Still running this M20 behind it that on the street for 4 years that is lasting.Scratching my head to how the transmission is lasting so long because I am extremely hard when I drive it.The 68 Camaro only weighs 2845lbs and the tires break loose so with no load and breaking tires might be saving it some?I do like your rods adjusting.I did put in a V-gate shifter 2 years ago and I love it.Had to make some custom rods do to moving the shifter over closer to the trans.It came with 4 spacer total and I took out 2.Only need to down shift the 3rd with the 4’11 gears I am running.I do shift at 7000 and still scratching my head to how this transmission has survived.Knock on wood.Your video definitely has me thinking about a few things thanks.
Slipping helps a lot. What breaks stuff is dead hooking plus weight. A G force will definitely make it nearly bulletproof
I've always liked shifting vs a slush box. My father insisted on them in his drag car's back indy 60s and 70s. I've only done one death shift in a Toyota. No loss. $10k for these is a little out of my realm, especially these day's. I have the utmost respect for FEs even though I prefer mopars. I grew up around the wood brother's and the dunahoo brother's in Virginia. As long as it's American, I love it.
I like you explanation of a race transmission.. Clears up a lot
Good video buddy, I love gas shifting a four speed! I don't have a face plate or dog face trans! 65 Chevelle Muncie M20 and M21 and shift @ 7K Drag racing and I love it 400 hp 334 (.040 327) It is a blast! not the fastest or most powerful, but it's mine I built it and haven't broke it YET! Rowin the boat is the only way to go for me! I,m more consistent with an auto but a stick is way more fun! It's a little harder on parts,but I LIKE IT!!🚔🚔
As long as it’s fun that’s all that matters
Good video Bobby. Very informative.
Scott
helical is the name you were tryin to remember for the gears the factory used.... one of the biggest benefits is noise and vibration.... trade off is they try to shove each other away when torque is applied.....
the dog gear engagement has been industry standard in motorcycles for decades.... i been a dealer level tech for years and cant remember ever seeing a bike with synchronizers.....
synchronizer function is in the name.... they help the next gear get spun up to same speed as the last gear ..... straight cut gears take less effort to engage.....
great video with lotsa info
Thank you very much. And yes there is days I can’t remember my name. 😂. But I also do what I can to try to explain it so everyone can understand what I’m talking about. But there was a couple times in that video I had a complete brain fart trying to think of a name.
If I recall right, think I have heard some OLD motorcycles used syncros. Obviously that didn't last. Heck, there was a time when motorcycle controls weren't standardized across different makes and models. Those must have been interesting times...😂
@@connor3288 you are correct. At one time I collected old bikes and it was always, “now which way did this one go”. 😂.
@@frizzellracing Hahaha. Reminds me of first time I rode a motorcycle, a friend's dirtbike. After only riding bicycles up to that the point, I think the front brake may be on opposite side. I'm not sure at the moment, haven't ridden a bicycle in some time. Never ridden a scooter but I think ive heard they have the front brake on the left? I may be mistaken.
Don’t forget Liberty!! They make some of the best faced, dog boxes as well!! But definitely a good starters guide to straight cut geared transmissions ⚙️. I’m “halfway” through a Hillclimb/ Canyon cutter. I am weighing my options on what transmission to run. But it will definitely be a faced manual dog box!! P.S. I broke a motor mount with my first one lol. It will always find the weakest link in your suspension and back half of the driveline! Makes a better car imo lol.
The only time I’ve dealt with liberty was sending them a transmission to have faceplated or pro shifted. I wasn’t aware they actually made transmission. Good info
It'd be worth it for Liberty if they could come up with a version of their transmission that could also do downshifts for the drag n drive faithful. So they can run a higher diff ratio and have lower 1st and 2nd gear so as not to need an overdrive unit, which would be a welcome saving of weight. Lenco said they were coming out with a downshifting version of their box, but so far I havent seen anything concrete.
Excellent video, I assume you have carbureted engine. I run a GFORCE faceplated unit in my Challenger and plan to put a GFORCE 2000R in my Dakota. Run it into the rev limiter and grab the next gear without the clutch. Hold on and have fun. Thanks for keeping the art of manual driving alive.
The other transmission you may be thinking of is a Liberty Gear unit. But those are for folks with deep pockets
I didn’t hear if you mentioned that the gears were face plated.
I learned to drive a manual transmission in a 1963 20 speed twin stick Mach truck the only time I used the clutch was to stop and start.
Syncros are nothing but shift-lever actuated brakes to de-accelerate the speed of the clutch-disc or discs, the input shaft, the counter-gear shaft, and all the gears engaged with it, (including the over-drive gear) to match the speed of the locking rings engaged with the output shaft so that the desired gear and a locking ring can be more easily engaged. "Change my mind."
Thank you for the knowledge brother I'm looking forward to church tonight to
Tricks of fine tuning your trans 👍
Back when I drag raced, I used a Rock Crusher Muncie 4 Speed and I shifted it HARD, with little clutch input!
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Got a Jericho with the same h pattern shifter in my 63. 1/2. Drove it to cruising the coast in 2013 from Brenham Tx.. Trans has been in the car since 2001 .It is bullet proof. 7.49 @ 92 in the 1/8 at 4180 lbs.
Great transmissions. I think it’s pretty much the same as the Hightower I’m not as familiar with them but I think they are
It belongs in a museum not under a car port
@@68nitrostang been on a race track since 63 and it will continue to be on a race track. We run 12-15 races a year with the car
Btw, LOVED the vid my brother!!!
Thank you
Great video! I build shifters for fun, noticed you don’t have stops on your shifter to protect the shift arms on the transmission? They would be in the two threaded holes on the front and back of the shifter.
They were not in it in the video you are correct. I take everything apart and clean it, I had already started taking it apart when I thought about making the video.
Outstanding communication skills! Great Review.
God Bless and G’Day from Down Under
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Cool video thank you Mate.
Someone may have already said it in the comments, but the TK range of gearboxes, generally speaking, are used in the modern Mustangs and Camaro’s. Tremec is the brand name.
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Thank very very much for watching. It’s awesome to know a video I made is seen all the way in Australia
Very nice 63 galaxie! I will never ever 4give myself for selling the one i used to have with 390,
Stay fast old sport🇺🇲
Awsome video. You almost got me wanting one for my truck lol
Awesome video! I need to just come down and pay you a visit! I love what you are doing
Thank you sir. I appreciate that.
Andy, I'd probably try and make that happen. It'd be an excellent fit for your channel, as well as help Mr. Frizzell pick up a couple Subs.
@@Adrenacyde I agree! I can tell he seems like my kinda folk
I like your description of the h pattern that you run.
I'm a vertical gate fan and I never thought how good an h pattern could be if set up right. I will keep this in mind for the future. Still love my vertical gate.😊
I like a vertical gate, but I’m not as familiar with them so I actually shift better with the H pattern. But I do have respect for the vertical gate.
@@frizzellracing I think you explained how it's not really better just different.
@@geniferteal4178 thank you. Sometimes I’m afraid what I’m trying to say doesn’t come across the way I actually mean it to
Guy I know I ranch for a living and it's tuff. Love the car s friend had a 64 427 hunter green ran good. The 80's good times
Hey that was a great video on that four speed , I've been thinking of converting over from a m21 four speed . Thanks again
Ur Holman Moody banner said ALOT!!!!......intelligent info!!...TY sir!!
Thank you very much
The case is aluminum, the top cover and tail housing is magnesium.
Nice video, thanks for sharing. 👍
Have a Happy Easter Sunday.
Happy Easter to you as well
Enjoyed the vid a lot! Of course I love anything with a manual.
Thank you. I have learned a lot from your wisdom.
Thank you for the kind words. I do what I can
That was interesting, well explained thanks
I run a old doug nash 5 speed dog box in my 68 camaro love it .
I remember when then fendor on the wall got a rip in it. got to watch the golf cart rookies.
That's what we Aussies call a 31 spline Bull nose top loader.
Awesome video
Thank you sir.
I noticed you don't run any shift throw adjustment bolts on your shifter. I know on a traditional synchronized 4 speed you have to set those adjustments or you'll 'crowd' the blocker rings and hurt them. I suspect that's not the case with a dog style synchronizer. I'm trying to get some understanding on this. Great video, sir. Love those Galaxies! Subbed and thumbs up!
So I actually hadn’t planned this video, I was just gonna clean everything up and put it in the car. So I had already taken those off and was in the process of taking stuff apart to clean and inspect when I decided I’d film it. Kinda spur of the moment thing. But I do run those in the shifter. Thanks for watching and good eye
A lot of great info here! Please share a link to the trans you have, seems like a no brainer for stick shift class!
It’s a Hightower racing transmission. They are made in SC. And when I say made in SC I mean every piece. The guy even machines his own shims and washers.
Daily drove my Hurst Ram Rod for 3 years, all I did was lift the Tee Handle from going from the 3-4 gate to the 1-2 gate, but that's me
Reminds me of my old new prosses 420 that's how I drove mine no clutch
It's not hard on the street you just got to pull the clip up when you want to go to first or second. I can go from Third to second, fourth to second, second to first, all those shifts that would automatically want to go up in gear (actually the shifter would drop down) I can make them go up (to the lower gear) just by pulling the clip.
No need to go through the sequence.
You might say it's a little extra effort to stop in the middle but not really.
I ran a top loader with liberty gears and Hurst ram rod. Shifter, 5:43 gears Detroit locker in a 67 fastback, 4 gears in a city block wasn't much that could out run my mustang downtown Pueblo CO 1985 to 1988 still got the car still has a 289
Awesome. Liberty is a good place to send a ford top loader to get some serious upgrades to it
I bought the thing from a guy for $150.00 that was in 1984. I since have set the car up for road racing still drive it on the street still have the locker but now use a close ratio top loader and a super shifter 3 4:10 gears
@@chrisspera3192 wow. I wish you could still find them for that kind of money. Everything has gone crazy over the last few years
I have had run 2 Nash 5 speeds great trans but they need maintenance periodically.
Very impressive and informative video. I learned a lot and appreciate the information.
Thank you
My pleasure.@@frizzellracing
I describe it as it's harder to get it out of gear than it is to get it into gear, mostly the 1/2 shift. when torque is being applied it's really hard to get it out but when you push it towards a gear, It literally gets sucked in. getting it in gear is never the issue.
Hi Ricardo my name and I'm 60 . You have Ford Chevy transmission, Question, Hemi transmission from 67 to 1973 and Superbird. Goodnight
Thanks ! very informative !
Mind sharing what gear oil you run and how often it was changed?
God bless you and yours!
What does a transmission like that cost ? How much hp and tq will it hold ? Weight of vehicle
Good stuff, Mr. Frizzell!
Thank you sir
The only real advantage an automatic has is the torque converter multiplies the torque off the line where the manual just slips the clutch usually the torque multiplication in the automatic only applies at the launch but two cars with equal power and weight but one being a manual and one automatic the auto will leave faster if you can take out all the other human variables ect.. I still like manual transmissions because any old back yard mechanic can change a clutch cheaply and easier than trying to overhaul a automatic one which requires a lot more knowledge and skills and tools to do and also the manual if you don't abuse it will nearly last forever besides the regular clutch changes. As far as just regular street driving I prefer to have a manual also as long as you don't live in a city with lots of traffic then that clutch becomes a pain in the keister.The fluid in the torque converter gets flung outward at the hit and redirected back onto itself actually increasing the power output of the car for free in a flywheel on a manual that free energy is locked inside the material of the flywheel and you cannot get it out this is the physics of why the automatic has an advantage over a manual.
Hey, Could you possibly explain your clutch setup in a little more detail?..curious if it's an 11", if you use a clutch tamer or a slipper style and adjust the weights or a multiple disc..
Funny thing is I did a whole video on my clutch setup and never published it because I thought it would bore people to tears. 😂
I would be happy to do one. But my current setup is a ram clutch, slipper style and I do run counter weights.
I would like to see a good video on the slipper style of clutch, how it functions, flywheel weight, steel or aluminum, composition of disc and how you adjust the weights..I assume you have a Browell style of bellhousing with access plate..to me It's a whole science getting a clutch car off the line without destroying the transmission, driveshaft or Ring& pinion, PLUS if you occasionally drive it on the street what is changed or is it as far as settings?
I’d like to find a racing trans for my 66 mustang. Seems no one sells these straight gear drive.
If you have Facebook look for a G-force or a Jericho. Those are the most common and the Jericho would probably be the cheapest.
But new Hightower is in S.C. and G-force south is in NC.
I can smell the gear oil.😮 Look similar to the guts of my Jericho.
Hello
Where do you get the stiff spring for the hurst 2-3 shift.
God bless brother
I got mine from Hightower when he did my transmission
Are they straight cut like a dog box?
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Great stuff Moparnut
Great video!!
whats a transmission like that cost you>? i would like to set one up on my maverick 521cid twin turbo
Depends on how you have it built. But it will be in the 5K range. You can find used ones sometimes for in the 3K range.
My Jerico ( no h...) HUNG EVERTIME ON 2 TO ...3.
YEP ITS A DOG BOX NOT DOG BONE MY FRIEND.
I WENT TO A 5spd. Librety....
Back to a LENCO 4 spd.
Good job friend!
Respectfully, Seth
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I’ve never personally used a Jericho but I would imagine you can get a dud in any of them. I’ve never had a issue with the Hightower not sure what would cause one to hang like that
@@frizzellracing Appreciate it... ! Jerico was no help.. would like to try the one you have... KUDO'S for awesome 🤘🙂👍 racing content on RUclips, I always appreciate great transmission experiences, Thank You, Respectfully, Seth
Once you drive a one of these without synchronizers, you will never want them again!
That is actually true. When I finally got this one the first thing I said was… why didn’t I do this years ago
What are the gear ratios in that transmission?
I'm a chevy guy but I know the ford top loader is better than a muncie and super T10. But I could never figure out a way to adapt them to a chevy bell housing.
If you get a aftermarket bellhousing like a Lakewood or quick time. Most of those are dual pattern drilled
A muncie 4 speed is a great trans, far better than a t10!
But a super T10 is better than a muncie.@@andrewslagle1974
@@andrewslagle1974but a super t10 with a cast housing billet mid plate is much stronger than the muncie
How do these compare to these newer 5 and 6 speeds???
I assume you mean the 5 and 6 speed race style transmissions and not stock transmissions.
I have not ran a 5 or 6 speed race trans so I can not give you a real answer on that. I would assume they are very similar just with a different spread between gears and the case will be much larger so you have to make sure you have the tunnel space available
If you drive it on the street, is it necessary to keep pressure on it to avoid popping out of gear?
No, when it’s in gear it’s in gear. It won’t pop out.
This was an awesome video thank you........
Thank you
@@frizzellracing Old day street racer guy and 2004 IHRA World Championship crew guy. Street racer was a 73 Road Runner fun days for sure.
@@zimmyman564 very nice. And a roadrunner is a super cool car too
I agree you can run a stick shift with an automatic!!!!
If you ain't banging on a 4-speed you ain't dragracin! However, I gotta disagree with ya on the V-gate argument. There's nothing better!
I agree the V-gate is good. And if you’re familiar with them they are great. I don’t think they are as “street” friendly. But at the end of the day it’s what your use to.
I do 100% agree nothing better than banging gears !
That ping dent by the Cashman's Famous Barbecue needs fixen
No sir. The original owner still stops by and tells me the stories about every scratch and dent. As long as he’s living I won’t fix that
Chevy makes it stronger! 😁
i was thinking about ptting a slightly built 390 in my 64 comet,or a 66 LTD
Nothing like a FE. I love’em
@@frizzellracing i've only ever had 1 in a long bed f250
Do the parts inter change with other brands?
The Hightower, G force and Jericho are all very similar so I’m sure some of the parts would interchange
WHATS UP COUSIN.!! 😅
I bet somewhere way back when we are related.
My mothers maiden name is Frizzell.
All from East Texas that I know of anyways.
To my knowledge all my family is originally from NC although I do have some distant relatives that moved to Washington and California back in the 60’s or so. Maybe some went to Texas too
@@frizzellracing maybe it's just not a common name you see. We lived in Beaufort S.C. for a few years.
Are you related to Lefty and David Frizzell (country singers)
They are like 3rd cousins.
Dont know of any relations in Carolina that I know of.
@@katkilr7685 I am related to them. Distant cousins somehow
@@frizzellracing That's pretty cool. So we are related way down the road then more than likely.
Rival the gear change speed of an automatic, yes, but you're forgetting the more important reason that everyone chooses an automatic in drag racing besides massively higher torque capacity.. The torque multiplication of a torque converter!! And before someone says that auto transmission cars are boring.. If your car is boring with a properly selected converter and a transbrake, it's time to find yourself a new engine builder!
Chevy flywheel, too ?
No just the disc
I run a ford pressure plate and flywheel. Just a Chevy style disc because of the spline count
Listen yors sound
How much?????
I honestly don’t know what they cost now. The prices on stuff changes so often these days. My guess would be $4500-$5000. But that is just a guess I see them used pop up for in the $3,000 range
Basicly it's a top loader
Very nice
Nope
But you are running a Ford if it were a Chevy you would have broken the trans the first time at the track.
Building a car that’s designed to only go 1/4 mile is a waste. Keep them stock and on the roads. Traveling America’s freeways.
Do both, you can race cars and drive them. That’s why drive and drags are getting more and more popular.
Go find some bowling videos
@@turboturtle9083,I was going to say golf or baseball. Something that can't hurt him. Definitely stay indoors and on the cellphone.
So add a overdrive? 😊
Spoken likes someone who has never gone fast before and liked it. Seriously life begins at 200 miles per hour, but hey you do you and leave the racers to do race car stuff.
Awsome video idont have hart to slam my gear box like that because ifix them self but this gear is a monster