Do NOT Buy a Ryzen 9 7950x3D
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The Ryzen 9 7950X3D supposedly is the best CPU from the AM5 lineup to date, however the 7950X or the 7800X3D might actually be a better buying choice, depending on your needs!
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I got the CPU around 2 weeks ago and my experience has been completely contradictory to the claims made in this video.
I'm not even using Process Lasso. No shade to the people who do, I understand it's fairly popular to use with this CPU. But before I messed with any of that I wanted to test this the way AMD intended for it to be used. So I didn't change them other board setting to have it favor the frequency cores, the only thing I did was install the AMD motherboard drivers and make sure that my game bar was up to date. It also turns out that you have to use the balanced power setting.
Of all of the games I tested on it, one failed to correctly run on the cache cores. That may have been a glitch because I haven't seen that happen again.
So in my experience everything said in this video is wrong. And I don't know what to make of that. It sounds like when this chip was first released there were some problems with the drivers that potentially cause problems. But this video was not made at the time of release of this chip. It was made one month ago.
Reading various forums about this chip, it does seem that some people have had problems getting it to run properly. I don't really know what's going on there, I wonder if they might not be choosing the correct power plan. Or maybe it's possible that the AMD drivers aren't always installing correctly. But my system was far from an ideal, this wasn't even a fresh install, I put an old installed Windows that had previously been running an AM4 system into this system.
If you want to say that some people are having problems, fine. But to say that the chip simply doesn't work right and that games absolutely do not allocate correctly to the proper course, that's simply false. I went into this expecting that it may take more work to run it effectively, but so far it has been largely trouble-free.
I totally agree. I'm encountering people who are adament that the 7800 is the only processor to matter for games in spite of weeks of evidence now to the contrary.
core parking issue has been fix, just configure your pc as it should be, install properly drivers and everything will be ok.
I picked up a used 7950x3d for $380. I couldn't resist. It's a great cpu. It was an upgrade from my 5800X3d. I didn't need to use special setting or tools. Windows recognizes CCD with 3d vcache. I have never ran into any issues with programs choosing the wrong ccd
same here. I switched to 7950x3d from 5800x3d and had 0 issues so far
i also have the 7950xd i'm not an expert on the topic but using process lasso got me like 20% more fps on some games than using it on the default settings but well i'm just a noob about tech computer, it is my personal experience as a normal dude that just want to be gaming. i don't regret using this cpu haha
Bro for $380 thats an absolute steal!
me on 7950X3d watching this .. lol
Weeeeeell😂
Freaking love my 7950x3d all i did was enable expo put -15 all core in curve optimzer and it crushed every Benchmark I threw at it until Prime 95 I got 7 hours in and then worker 8 failed, so I went in and dropped core 8 to -10 in curve optimzer then ran them all again and did several 16 hour runs on prime 95 and it passed every single time no errors. Not to mention they seem to have fixed all the scheduling problems but I'm a micromanager anyway and already had a subscription of process lasso from before i switched from intel (because my 13900k had to be rmad and intel lost my trust) I use it just because i like the control. But i freaking love this chip.
what u gonna do with ur 13900k, im also returning my 14900k lol.
@@jorgegonzales9042 I sold the new one when it came before it was opened so I could guarantee that it wasn't degraded
@@danielabbott9312 howd u know that certain core failed
@jorgegonzales9042 the "workers" are numbered and while that doesn't mean it will directly coincide with that core, by using process lasso you can observe which core gets parked after hitting an error and it's test ended, ryzen master allows observation of the cores being parked as well.
If you think there are people who find process lasso a difficult app to use then they would probably only be able to use the PC for basic browsing and office tasks. These people would be content with a Ryzen 3 zen2 system that costs like $300 altogether or something similar. Why would they ever consider a 7950x or 7800x3d
I see your point as a tech enthusiast myself, but it’s full of competitive gamers and streamers who aren’t tech savvy. Same goes for architects that would simply like to play on weekends. Lasso is a good software but also pretty buggy depending on the application you wanna run
I have a 7950X3D and I dont adjust any settings and it runs very well in all games on 4K ( 3840x2160) with my 4070Ti and 2x32GB 6000Mhz CL30 RAM. Disable SMT in BİOS and youl will see real performans of 3D V-Cache. Using SMT with a 7950X3D is stupidity. Performance cores are enough all games and programs and productivity
what's SMT?
@@jorgegonzales9042 Simultaneous Multithreading
@@jorgegonzales9042 Simultaneous Multithreading
thinking about getting a 7950x3d build, jumping from a 10900k and i got a 4070ti too, should i turn of smt as soon as i get it you reckon?
@@AGENTEN-ry6lr Depends on if you are using it for gaming only or a mixed work and game load. SMT is there to handle more intense tasks than gaming mostly. If you are only gaming, no reason to get the 7950X3D, the 7800X3D is simpler for games and faster for games...and cheaper.
- Play a game.
- Window+ G to open Xbox game bar
- setting and check ✅ "remember this is a game"
Cores are parked everytime you play that game.. All my game i play are parked only the v-cache is active.
Problem solved.
I was testing with a program to see it. U dont need to remember this is a game. 100% if you have xbox game bar, and let on ``balance windows power setting`` always put the x3d cores on games.
It even change to normal cores if your game is better with more hz than.
Doing really perfect for me with 4080 super and windows 11 pro.
Or you buy the 7800X3D and skip both steps.
@@iLegionaire3755I feel like this isn't very helpful comment. If you don't want the extra eight cores which are also faster, then sure. Buy a cheaper CPU for less money. If people are looking at the 7950x3d then they must have a reason to want those extra cores.
Imma need someone to expain me those steps and what it does since im petty new to PC and i Just bought a custom PC with that cpu and a 4080super
i agree i noticed the same on my 7900x3d but i don't want to spend additional time on tuning actually the cpu works fine and it's ok but turning back i prefernto buy the 7800x3d
process lasso is your answer
Very true, this happens on the 7900X3D too since it’s a dual chiplet CPU!
@@StevoHDA thank i had a look and honestly i discovered that my game are running fine on CCD0 but in any case i agree with the subject of this video double CCD implemented in this way is not reliable and is a big trade off. The good news is that is all driven by a software so we can expect an improvement. Let's see only the time will answer us!
Yes, dual CCD x3d is not great. Only buy a 16 core x3d when 16 cores are on a single ccd - a 32 core x3d with single ccd x3d would have the same interconnect issues
Very well summed up!
What games need 16 cores? I'm serious, I have plenty of headroom with the eight that the CPU offers now. My experience is also very different from the claims made in this video, I haven't had to do anything to get games to run properly on the cache cores. Instead I have a second set of eight course which run faster because they don't have the whole x3d structure. I don't need to use those on games, but if I'm doing video editing or compression or anything else which can be more heavily multi-threaded, those extra cores give me a lot more performance.
Don't get me wrong, if someone comes out with a monolithic 16 core CPU where all of the cores have access to the extra cache and it cost the same as these cpus, go ahead and get it. But they're doing this for a reason, it's cheaper. That dream CPU would be significantly more expensive, and yet it wouldn't offer you a significant increase in gaming performance which is the whole point.
Very bad advice. People either don't understand the fixes that were made, or don't want to accept that their processor is suddenly not the greatest. 7950X3D FTW!
i got one a year ago or so, its incredible, core parking is flawless for me, all my games use the cache ccd, this was achieved with minor bios tweaks. nothing world ending. gaming performance is amazing
Oh wow, that's a strange coincidence LOL. I've never seen your channel before but I was just right now watching a tutorial made by you and right now you drop a video about the exact processor I'm thinking about getting. That's scary actually LOL.
Anyways, I never overclocked ANYTHING, but I've seen people talking about how much easier it is nowadays with that PBO thing and whatever so I was thinking about getting the Ryzen 9 7950x3D and giving it a go with undervoltage -20 and stuff. Everyone else I saw before mentioned that it is a tiny bit worse than the 7950X in productivity, but they mentioned it is so little that it would not be noticiable, and when compared to the advantage of having the 3D cache (giving it works) that is still a great choice for someone like me who want's something that I can do both video editing and gaming with.
Now you have me worried and I don't know anymore HAHAHAH
I really like the kind of coincidence where the algorithm actually likes me😂 It is very easy indeed to OC/UV modern chips. But going back to your doubts, I’d honestly say that unless you’re playing at 1080p and NEED to max out a RTX 4080 Super or higher at over 300fps, you’ll be fine with the 7950X non-X3D. On the other hand, if your priority is gaming get the 7800X3D. I really do not recommend the 7950X3D unless one absolutely has to have both the numbers of cores and the 3D V-cache. And even to them I say that they have to be prepared for the issues to come!
PBO invalidates your warranty, and you can't lie about it either (the processor blows fuses to prove it was enabled) so you do so AT YOUR OWN RISK.
I heard that this Is not click bait but still...did you ever try the CPU itself? or is just a hit a run situation? don't know about this video very misleading, oh btw talking from a 7950X3D with a beefy X670-E MoBo :x
Thanks alot man, I have a 7900x and I did bought a 7800x3d to make a switch ended up returning it to amazon and bought in store a 7950x3d because there was a big sale on it, the box still sealed and was wondering how to optimized 3d cache and honestly I dont want to make this degree to just game, I wanted those extra core because I play alot of small games on the side while playing the big game or watching or reading stuff, but with what you said in your video Im doing a 180 and just still using my 7900x till there a real upgrade, the only thing I hate with this 7900x is that its too power hungry.
btw continue to make non click bait video like this, you deserve my follow and like !
search for 7900x undervolting. You can drop temps, reduce power usage while keeping basically the same performance
I bought the 7950x3d day 1 when it was released. It was really a shitshow when it first released, it was not working correctly and even considered changing to a 7800x3d. I discovered Process Lasso and it helped a lot. Months passed by and I thought I should try reinstalling it again, and see if AMD has fixed the scheduling. It was a struggle but I finally installed it the way it should work. I tried in all my games using my 7950x3d and a simulated 7800x3d (7950x3d with ccd 1 disabled) and they perform the same and I assume it will perform better than a real 7800x3d due to higher clocks. He is also correct, I would not recommend the 7950x3d to a plug and play user and even to a person with good knowledge on setting up PCs. This chip needs to be correctly settled up and finely tuned to make it work like it should. I can say Im pretty knowledgeable on setting up PCs but I spent around 2-3 days testing and reinstalling, searching for Reddit topics, techchannels and google searches and also doing different bios settings and driver setups, but the tech power up guide was the one that helped me a lot.
I couldn't of said it better. That's exactly what I went thru with my 7950x3d but I loved every bit of it. All the tweaking to get it setup right and squeeze every possible performance while making it stable. My r23 scores are over 37400 with the best one being 37670
Can you please link me that tech power up guide ? Thanks.
@@DirtyxLarry i cant link here in comments, you can go to google and write techpowerup 7950x3d, then find the link to their review. once there got to chapter 5 titled Software and Requirements.
I got one of these CPUs about 2 weeks ago and my experience was not that at all. I read about the problem some people were having and I was prepared to have to put extra work into it, but in the end all they did was install the AMD motherboard drivers and test out some games and everything was working as it should. I never had to touch process lasso.
The only thing you need to do is set the power plan to balanced (very inportant, tho balanced is the default setting for many pc), turn on game bar and game mode.
I think a few months ago, either windows or amd released an update that solves the core parking issue
Love my 7800X3D
same
Beast of a CPU.
@@ImWateringPSUsin gaming
@@BurN79 No 7800X3D handles everything well tuned correctly.
Hi,
Whats your thoughts on gaming and streaming? Which CPU?
Thanks
Just disable non 3D Vache cores of 7950x3d in Bios after that it'll perform better than 7800x3d .
Nice. That actually sounds good and simple. What's the performance hit?
@@marks9233 the performance hit is productivity and multi core performance I mean you can just enable non 3d cache cores for productivity.
That is a bad idea... If you're going to disable half the cores then you shoiuyld just buy a 7800X3D. Why waste the money if you're not going to use the other 16 cores.
I was considering getting it due to the 3D V-Cache, but I saw that it has A LOT of issues, so I just opted to "downgrade" to the 7800X3D. In my honest opinion, if you're strictly gaming, this is, and will be for a while, the best bang for the buck CPU out there.
You did the right choice my man, trust me :)
thas the problem i have with x3d i dont wanna stuck into 8core i do alot of compression etc witch take forever on 8core compared to 16core but i also want the fps wen i games i just hope amd make a 9950x3d with 3d cache on both ccd otherwise i might just stick with intel
@@HosakaBlood JaysTwoCents had a good fix on it recently on his channel on how to make it run properly. It's so frustrating that AMD haven't got the finger out well over a year later and fixed the glaring problems with it considering the price.
@@HosakaBlood i had the same chip. games run fast, wow. but smt is not as good as intels HT. and it was just not powerful enough for my music apps, watching yt vids, having multiple browsers etc. my 12700k was smoother. but for just gaming yeah.
Most people do not read or research. The issues are fixed jay2 made a video of it.
It has boggled me for sum time why the 7800x3d outperforms the 7950🤨
U explained it good.
Regedit tinkering with the forgroundboost (21 hex) got mine 7950 to performe better..in wz..not in any other games😅
Bunch of yapping without showing any demonstration of the isshe. Jayz2c also did a lot of yapping, but he care enough to demo the actual issue with x3d cpu (and how to somewhat fix the problem).
If your’re not able to configure your Bios and OS is not cpu’s fault…
streaming and gaming has been so laggy for me :( tried everything. never had issue in my old intel cpu.
I ended getting a 7900x instead of an x3d chip. I figured it would be more useful for multitasking and multimedia. I nearly got the 7800x3d or 7950x3d instead
7900x is good for productivity but trash for gaming
Trash for gaming yeah lol @@Decki777
do you know the difference between in PBO enhanced 3 and enhanced boost 3 ? in a MSI motherboard
It’s heavily dependent on the games. Some games like Hogwarts Legacy and CS2 prefer the 7950x3D over the 7800x3D. I wouldn’t say overall in every game it’s worse. RPCS3 AVX-512 prefers the 7950x3D. I wouldn’t say this is useless.
Very very true! But you have to ask yourself WHY is it better in some games? It’s because in those games the X3D cache works AND these games utilize the extra threads. If the X3D cache doesn’t work due to config issues, it’s never gonna beat a 7800X3D unfortunately
I genuinly love your videos... even tho I dont have much time because I have to learn for school, in germany we call it "abitur" its the highest school certificate, going to graduate in 2026 and after that I concidered to study WI oder IT... but besides school I work during the holidays and spared my whole money for my dream pc... so yeah... Im not quiet sure, because I will 100% go for an rtx 4090, I saw your last video whether i should go for it or not, and since Im programming, I will... but when it comes to the cpus, I still couldnt decide, because the r9 7950x3d is a powerfull cpu but if Im not mistaken the 7800x3d is better since it uses 2 cache and the 7950x3d less, right? And also struggle with the case... lian li O11 evo... or nzxt h9 flow... or the nzxt h7 flow... the h7 looks more basic but yet beautiful af😅
Thanks a lot, really! The RTX 4090 even though for most people is simply wasted money, still is the best card on the market. So I understand. If you’re only gaming and programming, the 7800X3D is gonna be the best choice :) For the case a lot is personal preference, if you check on the channel I’ve reviewed a lot of less popular cases😇
Still better than 14900k in gaming and consume less
When the X3D cache works it is better, but when it doesn’t work it’s actually worse. Whereas the 7800X3D is simply better AND the CPU to buy for gaming in my opinion
how about you buy me one and i can test it out
I’m probably too small of a tech channel to ask that lol, I could barely afford one for myself😂
@@ImWateringPSUs im joking brother, love the content. im learning alot from you. keep the good work up, we're both broke together 💪
I wasn't going to but nice to be warned about it regardless.
😂😂😂
This guy is stuck in 2023
I have a 7950x3d and im not having any issues
Well good for you, how ignorant. The world doesn't revolve around you, tons of people have been having issues.
@@reddragon4482 Well bad for them, how ignorant. One's own perception of the world is the most important. Tons of people have not been having issues.
@@reddragon4482ton of people are noob
@@BurN79 Mong
Same.
but 7800x3d Boxed price up, 450$ now in china,when 7950x3d Boxed in china now is 540$
but 7950x is 460$ only
A total BS propaganda video. Everyone is pushing the 7800, but since the fixes to the OS and chipset drivers, there is zero reason to get the 7800.
Idk it parks the cores fine for me when I play games lol and it was not tricky at all lol there’s a bio gaming option to turn on and if it doesn’t detect the game open game bar and tell it that it’s a game
This been fixed long time ago! The first few months had to use process lasso but then it been fixed from windows and from bios update as well….. spreading wrong information
I did this video right after building a PC for a client with a 7950X3D… the issues were there unfortunately. Better than at launch but still there
hello, do you have a vidéo, which talk about UNDERVOLTING RTX 3080 LAPTOP GPU ?
Unfortunately I don’t have one yet, but the voltage point is roughly 25mV higher than my RTX 3060 LAPTOP one with the same clock values, give or take 100Mhz
@@ImWateringPSUs ok thk bro i gonna test that
After win 11 uppdate?
What was said in this video isn't even true on a Windows 10 system that hasn't been fully updated. I have a 7950x3d and games run on the appropriate course without me having to do anything. From what I've read that new Windows 11 patch should make them a little bit faster, but the problem of core allocation was already solved.
wallet safer, thanks!
:))
mate you've completely overlooked process lasso, an application where you can make a profile for each game that disables 8 of the cores so it performs no differently to the 7800x3d. this is perfect for people that encode a lot while wanting the best for gaming. it's also easy to determine if a client has no clue or a little clue that's its not hard to explain process lasso. you may as well take down your video you're embarrassing yourself.
snooooore too much effort i just wanna play vidya and use useless ai chat models and compress rar files all day
I have tried Lasso. It works. Still, you have to do it manually, it’s pretty buggy and if you’re dealing with VR/virtualization it doesn’t work as well
OR set the power plan to high performance and park the cores from windows? rather that having yet another core parking app. the xbox xbar/game mode kludge us ridic, and anyone with an older xbox controller guess what. you either need to update to firmware in the controller itself from ms store. otherwise memory crashes.