The WORST Panerai Ever Made | RANT&H
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2018
- In this episode, Christian dives into what he calls one of the "worst decisions ever made by any watchmaker...EVER."
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*The WORST Panerai Ever Made | RANT&H*
In this episode, Christian dives into what he calls one of the "worst decisions ever made by any watchmaker...EVER."
The Panerai in question is the reference 318 Luminor, released in 2011. This piece, known as the "Brooklyn Bridge," was a special edition for their New York boutique, but there was a bit of a problem - the movement, an ETA 6497, was not only undecorated but lacked any semblance of Panerai branding. At all. No, really.
This movement wasn't just unbranded and undecorated, but it was also of the lowest grade conceivable. It featured a nickle balance, not particularly well designed for durability and longevity. And why did they do it? Well, nobody knows for sure, but it seems to us that they just assumed nobody would ever open a freaking caseback. To this day, Panerai has never issued an apology for this, although they did offer to replace the movement for those clients who felt the desire. 
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We talk here about a brand which uses nowadays pressed in casebacks and gives a luminor a WR of 50m.
I like their design but Panerai lost me couple of years ago. A pity though.
The Brooklyn Desaster was in all watch forums than, I do remember it.
Nice rant Christian 👍🏻🙏🏻
Which one do u mean? Do u mean the luminor Due branch?
Thanks for the great rant. Although I am a lover of Panerai, it is always good to hear all types of comments, good and bad. All three of mine do have in house movements, and even the 8 Days is incredibly accurate. However, in the future, if I ever do get a Panerai with a solid case back, I will wonder, think twice and will look.
Such a shame. And I totally agree with your rant. Most watch manufacturers that I know, even those with watches costing a lot less, do some kind of modification to the non in house movements they put inside their watches. While I do think that decoration of a movement is basically not essential on a watch with a solid case back, there should be some identification of the brand on the movement, and there is a lot they can do to modify the movement with costing an awful lot, but making it more accurate and reliable. This, to me, was a total scam on behalf of Panerai. Judging by my own experiences lately, and reading the many blogs, it does seem that within the past couple of years, Panerai has vastly improved. Although, I must admit having seen, for example, watches on their website that show "sandwich" dials, on inspection at the Boutique I did find a couple of models that did not actual have that dial. Anyway, I could go on and on forever. While I will certainly not - I hope never - give up on Panerai, I do appreciate legitimate rants like yours. Thanks, Carl
I’ve been a huge Panerai fan for years and own 6 models myself. I def agree that the lack of attention to the movement leaves something to be desired. But there are so many other fantastic PAM models out there that a consumer can choose from. Even though the movement isn’t the nicest looking, this NY Boutique release still sells well on the secondary. I don’t agree with every release the brand does, but I still love their rich military history and design elements, you can’t miss a Panerai when it’s on wrist.
Crypto _ MoonShot what rich military history? 1600 watches in 30+ years , not that rich. The history is all made up.
I agree with you. Big Panerai fan myself. My 562 is rated at 300M WR and is very accurate for an 8 day movement. My two Radiomir are extremely well built an accurate in house movements. My 720 is an amazingly historically correct model, and I just love it. I do agree with this rant for a few reasons, but one bad apple is not going to spoil my love for the brand.
Couldn't agreed with u more. I like Panerai design and wanted to own one. After knowing this incident back in 2011, I dont trust them at all. Hence when I eventually pick up a Panerai, it is a PAM 574 with see thru case back.
Invicta should teach panerai about using quality movements
There is that and there is the fact that the new Luminor Due has 30 meter water resistance.
like Cartier, I can imagine Panerai using plastic movement holders 😂 I know collectors who think Richemont & LVMH are destroying the brands they own and control.
steven uk1
I personally have been boycotting anything by LVMH because of this for quite some time now.
The Watch Division of Richemont Group managed to allow at least two iconic brands under their umbrella go down the drain because of bad products and lousy post sales service :-Panerai and IWC. You just hammered another nail in the coffin of the former. Hope the other brands they own will not follow the same pathetic route, especially Jaeger LeCoutre.
I like these two brands DNA, I own a Portugieser and a PAM 3 Days, this is disappointing :(
That is terrible. And what does it say about their watchmakers and employees to just sit there and let this happen while building the watches? Shameful. Doesn't seem like integrity in everything we do is a mantra over at PAM.
How about the double 9 digit Rolex airking? Or ugly rolex movements in general with solid casebacks..Oh wait..can’t touch the holy cow right? Fangirls. Be balanced in your judgement..
Only thing wrong with this comment I could only like once
So the Rolex you don’t like makes the panerai better? What the heck is your point? This panerai sucks, and it’s universally agreed. Your issues with Rolex can be another video, but they sure don’t make the panerai look any better!
at least it has a screw down case back. Now they have a snap back which I think is almost as bad... Their Board and President need to be fired and get JCB in there to clean things up.
I am a hardcore Panerai fan and will defend them to the bone. But I agree with you here. That was really horrendous what they did.
Spot on! Thats an absolute outrage.
And how about the double 9 air king or those ugly rolex movements hidden away in solid casebacks?
@@algorithm007ify at least Rolex doesn’t stick non-branded ETA movements …
Yeah...like Rolex movements are so beautifully decorated...oh yeah, I forgot, they aren't luxury timepieces but machine made mass produced watches.
At first I thought you were a Panerai hater and in the Rolex bandwagon. But as I continued to watch to full video, you are 100% correct and definitely know what you are taking about. I agree with you 100% and you said it best. Thank god for this video, I almost bought that same model. But instead I bought the Pam 631 and the Pam 005. Thank you for pointing out the obvious and definitely an eye opener. People, check the movement of the time piece you buy. Especially if you spend few grand on your machine.
So you're suggesting if i had this, swap the movement with the in-house one?
First time seeing you. Instantly love it!!
Good video. I remember how incredibly arrogant Panerai's response was to the issue. No apologies or effort to explain why.
I saw that. It was something along the line of, now you get to keep a "historic" model if you didn't send the watch to replace the movement. Unbelievable.
The 30 metre water resistance for the new luminor is kind of up there.
Besides this disgusting bad movement what about they bring out new watches which are only 30m water resistant?? And that for a brand that has a heritage as a dive watch? Wow, that is as bad...
Harco te Lindert The Due is much worse. I would much rather have this one.
Christian should have mentioned this. 30 m. Unbelievable. However, he did say that it could happen again. He was correct.
Personally, I think it is a crime that any watch the size of a Panerai is anything less than 200m water resistance.
I own a Panerai 5 logo with the manual ETA movement subseconds at 9:00 and 300 meter
screw back case Its chronometer rated so I assume a big step up from the movement discussed ??? If not Im selling and buying a Submariner ( I am a scuba diver and like a watch for a quick dive time check instead of looking at the dive computer) Thank you !
Haha the way the crazy minds of collectors go, an unaltered 318 is probably going to fetch thousands in some auction two decades from now.
They got 1 on chrono for $5,650 lol I'd say it's gonna stay in turdville but who knows
@@wolfcommander6009 chiming in 4 months later, it’s still for sale at $5,650
@@Gorrila_Man92 its deff gonna always be a dogg lol...my buddy had a Vegas 1 I was wondering if it has the parnis movement too 😁
@@wolfcommander6009 Still there for sale, no-one wants a piece of shit it seems.
I have a panerai pam 005 and ROLEX Submariner, omega seamaster 300. Panerai most models on the grey market sell above retail prices more than most brands out there and highly collectable and make less models.
Does that make it ok for them to lie to their consumers? I don't get how their grey market sales prices have anything to do with this story.
Interesting!! I heard they made a watch with wr 30m!! That siund unacceptable!!
I guess the fact that Panerai also released this as a special edition to ostensibly charge more money when the only other negligible difference is a simple engraving on the back is acceptable to you?
That engraving looks like garbage too. Looks like a low res scan from the drawing in the iRobot movie.
How much did the Paul Newman Daytona go for again versus regular Daytonas? Or how about that “rare” double 9 digit air king... Let’s not just pick on Panerai here... The stupid market fuels this crap
Nice video Christian!
Hello from 2022, Panerai is closing the caseback again. Tried out a few models at an AD, latest offering from 2021/22 with closed case back somehow feels cheap to wind or adjust time, a lot of "play" when you rotate the crown forth and back if you know what I mean, and somehow even hacking second is missing...
Then tried a model from 2019 with transparent case back, so much nicer crown action, smooth, responsive, the right amount of resistance, very predictable to adjust, well worth the money it asks for.
NEVER buy a Panerai without a transparent caseback, you really need to see what you're getting
Well they got caught with their pants down in this case. I don’t think I would want to buy a Panerai after watching this video.
Lol this is a replica panerai that is made by panerai itself. Might as well buy one from China.
Give me a break Christian, watch geeks love this stuff. They're like women in an abusive relationship, they keep coming back for more pain. Knowing this information, you still let your dad buy that Panerai 😁
That's always hilarious to me. You have people so rich they like being treated like 3rd worlders by ADs and manufacturers.
I actually thought this would be one of the ones with only 30m water resistance. However I don't even own a Panerai but really like the fugly PAM00025
with the weird studded bezel ring with the 15 minute markers - so . . . But yeah when you pay luxury watch money you deserve better than that.
The Italian made Anonimo was the real deal. Underrated.
anyone know how much it retailed for?
So true , they tried to pull the wool & got caught ha
Long time no hear, MISTER CHRISTIAN, i think i saw you in a photo at a store opening sponsored by HODINKEE , maybe a carbon copy of you totally mesmerized by a watch of certain vintage............dont killl me, but although i agree with you 100% about the 6497-or 8 in a Panerai is deans wrong and stinks of gouging /greed etc, i hope yrr nit totally knocking those affordable movements inadvertently for 600 -1000 range watches, or the more altered top grade ETA in my 2015 Tudor BBB.....all the best
I got a bulova with the same movement for 200 bucks brand new called the Gemini as a beater
How much does this watch cost used?
How much did the Paul Newman Daytona go for? Pretty ordinary movement in that also.
Pls just keep focus on the content rather than try to over-dramatise the whole thing - it's annoying
Whole heartedly agree. Panerai doesn't really do it for me anyways, and this is just worst than usual from them.
At 5:21 I recalled your video of your father putting on a customers watch and laughing and you were both drinking as well. I like your videos but honestly, that issue needs to resolved properly else what u think of Panerai is what I’m actually thinking of your brand!
The worst Panerai ever made is still better than the best rolex ever made...
Definitely not...
Pure arrogance & laziness by Panerai, doesn’t help resale values stuff like this ...
James T strangely these watches sell at a 50% premium to the higher quality Pam 005 8 years later...
Please explain to me the difference between a machine-made, mass- produced, high-grade 300 dollars Chinese copy with an engraved 6497 movement and this Panerai. And I despise fakes. Unbelievable.
4 years later nothing changed.
however i do own the 1055 and love it. i still love the watches just not the brand
You know what’s funny, the debacle of this particular watch, whilst bad form on behalf of panerai has kinda thrust them back into the spotlight. Is this the case of any publicity even bad, good?🤔
What about there non water resistant “dive watch” the 38mm. That’s a fuckung joke as well
Well, can’t be worse than Cartier using plastic for the movement holder
they are paying the price now, look at the resell value of Panerai now, I remember at one time Pam was in long que, waiting list, premium price in used market and now... all these are history. They was so close to become another legend that sit next to Rolex.
£150 eta movement in a 4 k watch . I was going to buy a 111 but bought a noob and bought the eta into the case lol . Not dropping loads on watches no more
Christian you’re the shit-for real......
The critical and very opinionated reviews and rants that you publicize are second to none. In my opinion this is what sets you apart from every other RUclips channel,
(not only concerning watches ) This is no doubt why you ARE probably The best channel on RUclips bar none. KNOWLEDGE =POWER
IGNORANCE =INFERIORITY
After years of Delving into watches I must say that the controversy concerning prices and value in watches is purely opinionated. And many RUclipsr’s sharing their knowledge and opinions on which watches are worth The heavy price tags associated with them- ulterior motives
“Parti pris” from high-end retailers using the good old boy system with the folded up hundo handshakes to help push product
-anyways when I am ready to buy a vintage watch-and my OCD research has concluded…You will definitely be my first call-congrats on the booming climb from when you first started-and thank you for all of your “ cut the bullshit” media
J.T. Chicago
Agree!
Panerai = Junk bond. Sorry, I love their designs but when there's so many caveats to a brand at what point do you just walk away?
These manufacturers will do well to remember what Gandhi once said, "Customer is God. Customers dont need you but you the seller needs customers. So treat them like what they are with honesty, respect and thankfulness"
What do people think of the Panerai F6654 Limited Edition to 1000? Cannot find any info on this watch. Is it another fraud Panerai like the one reviewed here.
Is the Rolex still for sale I checked on line but not there. Can I get some information on it thanks?
well said...
dude these jump cuts. your limbs teleporting around just so you can cut out like half a second of dead air
I feel like were extrapolating and inferring a whole hell of a lot here from one watch. Wee bit overblown, if I may be so harsh.
The thing about being a luxury brand is that you are screutanized on every little detail. One mistake is all it takes to ruin your brand image because these watches cost so much. Can you imagine if Patel out a eta movement in the new Nautilus without telling anyone. Patek's entire brand perceptions would be horribly damaged
I'm glad I steered clear of that model but I am happy with my 312. In-house movement, 1950's case and keeping good time. There will always be a rotten tomato in the bunch.
The PAM000312 is a good watch.
Rod Rodriguez I and crazy with the pam322 my next watch what is your personal opinion of that watch the movement is good?
THis is old news (7-8 years old)...Panerai are 100% in house now...
Normally not a fan of gold watches or the Jubilee bands. I actually tend to LOVE Panerai and various other military inspired brands, especially the Ceramica series Luminors. So you can kinda get an idea of my style (not that I can afford a luxury watch anyways..). But that Rolex is utterly gorgeous and looks great on your wrist. I would normally have not thought I'd like it but it's a very sexy watch.
This Guy looks a like Creepy Geek Clown ..... but nice video
Shameless company. And really cheap behavior. God knows why anyone would want to buy a Panerai now.
Panerai phenomena reduced down to hype and money. It wouldn’t surprise me if they introduce a dive watch with only 3 ATMs...
They did !!! 🤣
love your energy man. keep it up
Boycott the brand
I was tossing up between a Grand Seiko and a Panerai for my next watch.
Decision made after watching this video!
Max Power I mean this as a compliment: If you have already learned enough about watches to appreciate how good GS is and what a good value, then I hope you realize that’s an easy decision to not buy panerai. If you want a fashion piece, stylish watch go for panerai I guess but GS beats panerai on every metric by so much it’s not close, and they cost less (!). Obvious choice is GS.
Cooper Wardell. Indeed. I own two GS high beats. They are by far and away the highest quality and best finished watches under $10,000 and maybe even $15,000. I'm in the process of skeletonizing my watch collection and will keep only GS and JLC in my under ten grand category from now on. Panerai can take a walk
I love Panerai and I would also advice you to buy the GS rather 😁
I would actually advice you to buy GS over Rolex also ! They're unbeatable on quality, tech and value/$.
I like Panerai , but if this was Rolex or Omega surely it would have been noticed way quicker and even tabloids would join in on the deserving roast they would receive. Even though they replaced the movements it's still disgusting to see. Modern companies with heritage making mistakes like this is bad, really bad xD
I am a Panerai fan. I like Panerai. I own a PAM00111 Luminor Marina G series and used to own a PAM00112 Luminor Base F series (but sold it to fund a Seiko Tuna Can - SBDX011). I just can't believe Panerai would do such thing! This is disappointing.
30 meter water resistance on a dive watch in my opinion is even worse . Granted as a recreational diver I rarely go past 18m and I am in no way financially able to afford a panarai.
Panerai do not make a 30m WR dive watch.. The Panerai Luminor Due is a DRESS WATCH with Panerai design cues.... get your facts right.
I couldn't agree more. When you have a replica has better quality, why would you buy the real thing?!
Dude this is old news and actually these watches are very sought after in the secondary market for the same reasons you explained. Maybe you are just trying to catch up with all the brand issues raised by Perezcope in his blog, but content wise - to be ranting now about this topic just makes you as lazy as Panerai was back in 2011.
Ok. You love the Datejust. But as I've been shopping the Datejust, everyone, comments that the Seamaster on my wrist is a better watch. That the Rolex is notorious for not keeping good time. One even said it's a luck of the draw to get a good one or a lemon.
Things like this...really makes me wanna get a new unworn DW ;-)
lmao!
:)))))))
Rolex has movements that don't say Rolex, don't they?
My 1503 says rolex on it
ex 14 rolex were not even in-house until they bought their movement maker (Aegler) in the early 2000s...
the watch was wholesale made in China, it's for people staying near the bridge and surrounding area. ...
Cost cutting and trying to be cheeky
its not just the brooklyn bridge its all the boutique editions Panerai’s which is the worst thing you would do to that certain country collectors, Happened in Kuwait now no one buys Panerai and it has bad reputation good job panerai good way to fuck up the brand and value
Woah.. wait.. You're telling me corporation whose only goal is to make a profit is willing to rip-off consumers? Don't believe it!
This and the new snap back instead of screw back...WTF!
I assume you are talking about the Panerai Due dress watch..Oh cause pateks don’t do the same for their dress watches....wait a second, THEY DO: forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=1037264&rid=0
They released a shitter..... And got found out !
How could they think that this would... not be spotted at a later date. Unbelievably naive, or they do not care ........ What do you think ?
Vintage watches are nice , Gloria st Julien doesn’t hold as long... I think you can put the bottle in the garbage now!!
Yep panerai divers with snap on casebacks, 30 to 50m water resistance... and yes..plastic movement holders...stick a fork in it Panerai is done!
Despicable.
Unknw toy watch apple watch using only
It will be a collectable
Exactly... just like the rolex double 9 digit air king
Where's TGV?
This story is so old!!! Has been talked over a thousand times...
It goes hand in hand with the quality of America.
Sadly Panerai are not learning anything from their, shall we generously call them..... 'mistakes'. The latest Panerai chrono with, they claim, an in-house movement, in fact has an ETA movement with a Dubois Depraz chrono module. Nothing in-house about it at all, but apparently they have claimed that they 'consider it to be in-house' You'd be hard pressed to make this up, but apparently Panerai have infinite imagination!
Panerai should've apologized to the public and explained why the mistake happened. thats just embarrassing
Good thing you were not living in New Orleans during the hurricane, or your nose up would have drowned you. I have rebuilt many watches and the 6497 is a mule of a work horse for many years of wear. My brother, the dentist, bought his wife a Rolex jewel bevel, and it NEVER kept great time. I own 3 Rolex and they bore me. This was a great make to allow people to own a name brand without the outrageous cost of branding costs. Get over yourselves. Time pieces are just that, time pieces. If you really want accuracy, buy a damn ELECTRIC watch.
You asked the wrong question. It's unlikely this is the first time Panerai has cheated their customers. It's the first time they have been caught. Integrity, or lack thereof, means everything in business. The CEO should be held to account.
isn't their diver with 30m water resistance even worse?
The Panerai Luminor Due with 30m WR is a dress watch with panerai design cues..not a diver... People ALWAYS get this wrong. Panerai never said it was a diver..they market it as a dress watch!!!
I like it
Stick with Rolex, Patek, AR Royal Oak
and omega! :)
And h moser and fp journe and zenith and on and on . Theres lots of great brands out there
@@jaysaquariums6399 Invicta and mvmt?
SHEEPLE,,, BAAAA BAAAAA
These kids who thinks they already sorted life and have certain opinion and principle as if they are already making their own money.
At least it has a 300m water resistance. Their watches now have a snap back case back with either 30m or 100m water resistance. Panerai shooting themselves in the foot time and time again.
The Panerai Luminor Due is marketed as a DRESS WATCH with panerai design cues..nothing wrong with having 30m WR on a dress watch.. Even the Breitling Navitimer has 30m WR..and that is a SPORTS WATCH... This false criticism is just coming from hysterical rolex fangirls
@@algorithm007ify Bull. We have to keep standards! Watches are the last resort in this world of cheap crap.
Oh, Panerai has done worse.....😂😂😂😂
the question is what else are they up to???
Well, they have BMGTech (kills steel in terms of hardness but is not more brittle), Tourbillions and other complications, a watch with 50 year service intervals (LAB-ID), ...some pretty good stuff I would say..compared to rolex at least.
The one and only reason I no longer own a Panerai. Not cool.
Selling the Brooklyn Bridge is a con for suckers. This must be a bad joke but it isn't.