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  • Опубликовано: 18 янв 2025

Комментарии • 169

  • @stevemarschman3202
    @stevemarschman3202 Месяц назад +96

    45 years ago I toured ESCO steels Portland, Oregon cast house. They made huge stainless steel castings for the commercial nuclear industry. Every casting was x-rayed in 3 dimensions to locate porosity and defects. Then, they would have a crew that would grind their way down to a defect, grind it out, then weld their way back out to the surface. ESCOs cast house was pretty meticulous, yet every casting needed repair. So, what you encountered isn't unusual, but, it would appear the company that did these did not properly degas the molten metal, and too little attention was paid to detail when producing the pattern and the casting molds were made. Shame on that cast house.

    • @lancer2204
      @lancer2204 Месяц назад +11

      Yep, that foundry dropped the ball at several stages.

    • @flouserve
      @flouserve Месяц назад +18

      The worst thing about these castings is that they are small pieces, when you cast 5-ton pump casings in superduplex, these inclusions and pores are not allowed. In the nuclear field we have discarded castings, the Spanish client does not allow subsequent repairs, taking into account that they are critical parts of the reactor.

    • @michaelallen1432
      @michaelallen1432 24 дня назад

      I think the question as to whether there were too many voids depends upon what you specified when you ordered it.

  • @aland7236
    @aland7236 Месяц назад +32

    "Pffft! I know a guy who can do it for less than that!" - Customer

  • @simovepsa6462
    @simovepsa6462 Месяц назад +67

    no problem with stringy chips when the porous material breaks the chip 😆

  • @mj_slender6717
    @mj_slender6717 Месяц назад +9

    These Th1000 inserts are a life saver when needed. Even used on monel and the hastelloy C.

  • @flouserve
    @flouserve Месяц назад +27

    There are many castings that come with very little material. I still remember a batch of impellers for Chile that, after being finished, looked like garbage. The end customer in Chile never wanted to accept the pumps for the mine because of how bad these impellers looked on the suction side.

  • @ED_T
    @ED_T Месяц назад +34

    Seco TH1000 is an amazing grade of insert, I've used it to get out of a couple difficult situations. Haven't found a metal yet that it won't cut

    • @mj_slender6717
      @mj_slender6717 Месяц назад +2

      Used on Ht 455& 465 sst. Works wonders when all else fails.

    • @robbecools8544
      @robbecools8544 Месяц назад +3

      cuts pretty much anything but doesn't like corrosive materials. once you burn thru the coating its done for.
      maby you guys have diferent experiences with it.
      i like iscar's IC8007 too for some strange materials or welds altho i usually dont use iscar inserts on the bigger machines seco's CP500 is also a great insert grade

  • @supahonkey
    @supahonkey 23 дня назад +1

    I have machined those same spindles here in Indianapolis at my shop for Cleveland-Cliffs. I faced the same issues you did, especially on the max OD. We didn't have to machine the female drive, but I recall needing to cut a groove at the bottom of the drive. We also had to mill the male drive and profile the fillets all over it. Bahr Brothers in Marion, IN made the castings. Turning the male drive OD was a pain in the ass with the huge interrupted cuts. I don't recall the inserts anymore, but we did get Kennametal inserts meant for heavy interrupted cuts. Kennametal also covered the inserts for me to try the FIX-8 tool in the interrupted cuts.

  • @vikingboodah6889
    @vikingboodah6889 Месяц назад +18

    Shitty castings...i really felt that in my soul. i personally love when i hit big voids and pockets of sand when im turning big unstable castings, keeps things fun and interesting.

    • @mj_slender6717
      @mj_slender6717 Месяц назад +2

      Does keep on your toes, especially with about .4 to .45 doc.😅

  • @andrewerickson6089
    @andrewerickson6089 Месяц назад +7

    I made one of those in my backyard... It took 'bout five bags of Kingsford and ten trips to Harbor Freight.

  • @FredBloggs-s8w
    @FredBloggs-s8w Месяц назад +21

    When you get casting las bad as that, you send the whole batch back to where it came from. When I was helping to build industrial knitting machines, if the bars on which the knitting heads ran back and forth. had to be draw filed and and deburred, and if we found a bar which had loose flakes rolled into the surface, the whole batch was sent back to the manufacturer. to be replaced. We couldn't allow the knitting heads to lift a flake and sieze the whole machine up and would have totally destoyed the whole machine. Our main tollerance was two thousands of an inch.

  • @LongueCarabine
    @LongueCarabine Месяц назад +11

    Holy occlusions, Batman!

  • @Supervisor000
    @Supervisor000 Месяц назад +27

    Даже у пакистанцев качество литья лучше!

  • @woobykal68
    @woobykal68 Месяц назад +33

    Looks like it was cast in an indian foundry using sand from the beach.

    • @owievisie
      @owievisie Месяц назад +7

      I think I saw a video the other day of an Indian street shop that made a casting exact like this one 🤔

  • @ICA17887
    @ICA17887 Месяц назад +1

    Hi Chris thanks for this great turning video. What a job to machine these parts that turn like potatoes in roughing but I love the big blue shavings, thanks.

  • @Xris-FJ1200
    @Xris-FJ1200 Месяц назад +5

    Hi Chris,
    What a hard job to make this from such rough parts!
    It looks like the metal casting was done in Pakistan with old scrap metal from old boats...
    I find it surprising that you agree to do this work from such parts, you work really well, but to make something perfect is really difficult.
    Well done !
    Starting from forged parts would perhaps be better.
    Even with the first cast wheels from steam locomotives, over 100 years ago, better quality castings were made that required very little machining.
    Thanks again and congratulations for seeing the work through to the end.
    Sincerely
    Xris

  • @scania357
    @scania357 Месяц назад +13

    I think they were trying to get a silk purse from a sows ear. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ianloy1854
    @ianloy1854 Месяц назад +1

    Back in the day (nearly 50 years ago now) we found the best inserts to use on crap like this was a PLAIN negative rack insert (nochip breaker etc) with a ~30 deg chamfer.
    The chamfer provided protection to the actual edge of the insert protecting it from mechanical damage. Great for intermittent cuts, getting thru scale.
    They could even handle the joint on large gears where the mill had left what amounted to a knife edge facing towards the cutting tip.
    We used Sandvik tooling (mostly) and we actually had to get them to make them for us for the centre located tooling (like you use).
    This type of insert was used in the older style top clamp tooling (with thinner inserts). Once we were thru the problem areas it was then time to change back to the more usual inserts with chip breakers and coatings so that we could up the speed etc.
    I worked on large parts on a vertical borer (lathe on its end) with the smallest pieces being about 3m (9') in diameter the table (chuck) was 7m (21') in diameter, top speed 32 rpm.
    Funny thing was even though we were an integrated works - castings made in house - we still couldn't get the pattern makers and foundry to understand what we machinists would prefer.
    Only time we did was a repeat job where we had to set them up almost using a dial indicator (casting was 4.5m in diameter and about 0.250m thick (10")) this slice of potato type of casting did what chips do (it curled) and so we had sometimes less than 3mm (1/8") of clean metal in spots. This along with gassing in the metal that couldn't be stopped meant they increased the casting thickness by 50mm (2"). This gave us easy set up and easy machining. The metal was beautiful, 25mm (1") deep cut 3mm (1/8) feed. Used ~90% power.
    Sometimes the chipbreaker didn't work so you'd have this 1"x 1/8 metal bar coming off the tool until it got heavy enough and broke off....or the chips where about 75mm (3") in diameter. Really heavy when you had a shovel full..... :)

  • @markfiges999
    @markfiges999 Месяц назад +11

    You have my sympathy Chris, in a past life I've BTDT, .......far too many times, and always with the same answers, ''there's no rime to get new castings'' and ''we mustn't upset the foundry''
    Take care and stay safe

    • @Watchyn_Yarwood
      @Watchyn_Yarwood Месяц назад +1

      It looks like something from one of those Pakistani mills on the Pakistani-Hands YT channel

  • @mikeboring1293
    @mikeboring1293 Месяц назад +5

    I worked in a foundry for 7 years and those are junk castings,great work trying to make them work

  • @kevinsellsit5584
    @kevinsellsit5584 Месяц назад +19

    You call them spindles, but to me they look like CV slip yokes...either way, someone is building something ENORMOUS and those castings are a fail as a spindle or CV slip yoke. Your ability to produce such a stunning finish while destroying hundreds of dollars in carbide is commendable. It is hard to choose an insert when each revolution includes 3 different materials.

  • @cyclingbutterbean
    @cyclingbutterbean Месяц назад +5

    Tell it like it is in the title Chris! I love it! Never met a casting that I liked.

  • @Mike44460
    @Mike44460 Месяц назад +2

    Quality Control will forever be known as the Outa Control Department.

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung Месяц назад +3

    Thanks for sharing 👍 and Merry Christmas to you and your family 😊

  • @safn1949
    @safn1949 Месяц назад +4

    Looks like Mr Magoo was doing QC that day.

  • @jeffreylynch3203
    @jeffreylynch3203 Месяц назад +1

    Same way in making ship props at Bird Johnson, Walpole, MA. They find occlusions then the grinding starts, then mig and grind, repeat. Lots of work.

  • @johnlawler1626
    @johnlawler1626 Месяц назад +2

    It would test my patience alright....one of them jobs you just got to take yor time and get thru and move on to better things. Great video thanks for sharing 👍

  • @DeadlinePhil
    @DeadlinePhil Месяц назад +2

    i feel you, once i had to deal with casting´s that were dipped in some black coating for rust prevention our something, there was still sand from the mold beneath the coating and a bunch of air pocket in the casting.

  • @hl8256
    @hl8256 27 дней назад +1

    That's what nightmares are made from

  • @gentharris
    @gentharris Месяц назад +5

    It would be faster, easier and more accurate to just make the part from solid, known, material?

  • @bradlilly8603
    @bradlilly8603 Месяц назад +3

    Remember kids the lowest bidder is low for a reason

  • @simontillson482
    @simontillson482 Месяц назад +2

    Oww. Those poor inserts! That was a painful watch.

  • @lancer2204
    @lancer2204 Месяц назад +11

    Hrm... core off centre, porosity, rough and uneven surface, parting line wandering all over the place, crappy dressing/fettling... not much attention getting paid in that foundry.
    Bloody hell... just saw the rest of the abominations... I'd be sacked if I let that trash leave our foundry!

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 Месяц назад +3

    7:16 That pore right at the bottom of the radius is just the thing to start a crack. Good luck to whoever accepts these for service.

  • @theessexhunter1305
    @theessexhunter1305 Месяц назад +10

    Chris, jot down the hours put your time sheet in go home and have a beer.

  • @ED_T
    @ED_T Месяц назад +5

    Do the castings warp that much or is it just a bad mould? Also it looks almost like they welded the defects with hardface lmao

  • @csours
    @csours Месяц назад +4

    Interrupted cut says what?

  • @craigtpat
    @craigtpat Месяц назад

    Wow Do you have any still shots of the sand inclusions?

  • @dazaspc
    @dazaspc Месяц назад +11

    When I saw the first drawing my immediate impression was that someone should break the creators fingers. Woeful would be a compliment.
    Those castings however the fault was with the pattern maker. Apart from the sag and undersize of the casting the filter broke apart during the pour and I would guess that is the sandy stuff you found in the metal. Sand does break away during a pour but it usally just floats out or mixes a bit more evenly.

    • @NormanGnome11
      @NormanGnome11 Месяц назад

      Why is the quality of these castings the fault of the patternmaker ? - Surely the fault lies with the moulding/casting shop and the quality of the steel used in the creation of the castings ??

    • @dazaspc
      @dazaspc Месяц назад +1

      @@NormanGnome11 If the casting is to small not enough material it hasnt been made to the correct size or made for the wrong material. The molders are also at fault as sag, inclusions is very much related to how the mould was built. Coatings, proper sands, risers, shrinkage, and filtration of molten metal all their responsibility. Open the box to early even the way it was cast can affect the shape. The steel doesnt get lighter as it gets hot yet it is a lot softer. It needs support whilst molten and soft. You could blame the caster for the filter problem by putting the metal in to fast but if the mould is built correctly it shouldnt be a problem.

    • @roscoepatternworks3471
      @roscoepatternworks3471 Месяц назад +1

      All foundrymen blame the Patternmakers. I see several problems, least of which was caused by the pattern. Foundry first. What kind of sand was used. If it was just greensand the gating looks like it may have pushed the core. Airset sand would be better. Setup is like concrete. So improper molding and gating. Machine shop, if the center was established by using the cavity walls, and the core had been shifted. You'll start out off center. The core print needs clearance to be set in a mold. Never use a cored surface to Setup a part for machining. Porosity is a gating issue and possibly core shift when poured. I've had molders file a core because they didn't think it would fit. But they didn't even try. But Patternmakers do rarely make mistakes.

    • @dazaspc
      @dazaspc Месяц назад

      @@roscoepatternworks3471 OHHH everything said is correct except the mistake part. Why It's easy to just go by the drawing but the casting is variable and its a common thing that patterns dont allow enough clean up for machined areas if there is not a perfect mould. Unmachined areas need to be accurate but machined dont. As a machinist A casting that only needs setup on unmachined areas and extra machining on machined areas is preferable and improves the yeild. But i did mention that the original person who drew that drawing needed their fingers broken. Also the original casting setup needed a bit of adjustment . I have machined to many complex castings when I first started out and it always a game to find the overall best way to set up to achieve the finished part. You basically cant ignore drawing datums but need to ignore them to achieve a useable part if indeed there is one that can be machined from the casting.

    • @roscoepatternworks3471
      @roscoepatternworks3471 Месяц назад

      @dazaspc the one thing I didn't mention was communication. The Patternmakers rarely decides on how much machining will be required for a casting. The foundry, machine shop, engineering and patternmaker should collaborate on the correct amount. The ultimate decision is the foundry based on their experience. As a retired patternmaker, I noticed there seems to be a trend away from communication.
      Ps. If the draftsman had all dimensions required, why break his fingers? The draftsman will only identify which areas are to be machined. Not included in the drawing is the amount of machine allowance.

  • @shug831
    @shug831 Месяц назад +4

    Extra charge just for the number of tool tips used!

  • @andylarkins5128
    @andylarkins5128 Месяц назад +11

    Those look like hammered shit!

  • @DSAK55
    @DSAK55 Месяц назад

    Did you get them from Temu

  • @Rustinox
    @Rustinox Месяц назад +3

    Or else "how to destroy inserts as quick as possible" :)

  • @thelamb288
    @thelamb288 Месяц назад +2

    W O W. Holy mother of God, I've had some really shitty "chilled cast iron" components with inclusions, and one that exploded on me, but those pieces of crap must have come from China! Now we all understand why there are no more European pattern makers left 😵😵‍💫. Well done to you for getting as far as you did. Me, I would have refused to machine any more of them! Cheers.

    • @ChrisMaj
      @ChrisMaj  Месяц назад +7

      @@thelamb288 And that's why I only work here. I couldn't deal with this shit if that was my business.

  • @dougaltolan3017
    @dougaltolan3017 Месяц назад +3

    Bit of JBWeld will fix that.

  • @RH-om1ph
    @RH-om1ph 22 дня назад

    I'm personally a fan of Iscar inserts.

  • @squatchhammer7215
    @squatchhammer7215 Месяц назад

    I remember those puffs very well. I was machining something that was very hard and it kills the insert every time there's sand.

  • @sdvten
    @sdvten Месяц назад +2

    China or India castings?

    • @ChrisMaj
      @ChrisMaj  Месяц назад +1

      They make better ones 😅

  • @hamzanawaz7945
    @hamzanawaz7945 Месяц назад

    Best of luck

  • @josh3504
    @josh3504 Месяц назад +1

    Do you ever get clients who bring in components with imperfections like these, who end up trying to blame you for the imperfections when machining is completed?

  • @chuckvanvleet1268
    @chuckvanvleet1268 Месяц назад +1

    Ah sixes and nines the perfect chips😂

  • @peterward2875
    @peterward2875 24 дня назад

    Mostly I'm curious what these things are for. They look like they are supposed to be stacked/fitted together to transfer rotation, but for what other machine?

  • @tomkzinti2760
    @tomkzinti2760 Месяц назад

    Those castings were fkng NASTY! Jeez Louise with some wow on the side...good job putting up with this sort of crap.

  • @rock4us2
    @rock4us2 Месяц назад +1

    I have no idea what these are but the comments section 😂
    Whoever did these castings should never dare come here

  • @EinhanderSn0m4n
    @EinhanderSn0m4n Месяц назад +4

    See what you do here is add a surcharge as close to exactly equal to the savings the client attempted to earn by Not Doing It The Right Way. Those money chips were cringe!

  • @paulmace7910
    @paulmace7910 Месяц назад +5

    Customer supplied or did your company supply? If customer supplied then they get what they get. If they are yours then the big boss man has some ‘splainin to do.

  • @darinareyacrazyman1505
    @darinareyacrazyman1505 19 дней назад +1

    Well if nothing else, those castings made the Pakistanis feel better about themselves.

  • @johncmitchell4941
    @johncmitchell4941 Месяц назад +2

    I'd be ok doing this on the clock like old times for a boss who decided to take on such ugly stuff, but wouldn't bid on or touch this in my home shop. Mat'l being SOS is not the problem of the machinist when the the print is one's backup/'protection'. btw, Inserts kicking butt on those interrupted cuts. Good watchin'! 10/10 as usual. 🙂

  • @rexmundi8154
    @rexmundi8154 Месяц назад +1

    Does the slag / inclusions break the insert?

  • @NeroontheGoon
    @NeroontheGoon Месяц назад

    Where’d that casting come from?

  • @juliusmilo5959
    @juliusmilo5959 Месяц назад +1

    Nice job...Thank You...

  • @weldmachine
    @weldmachine Месяц назад +1

    It could be worse 🤔
    At least it's not Cast Iron ??

  • @alankeith7866
    @alankeith7866 Месяц назад +3

    They were really trying to get a silk purse from a sow's ear, weren't they?? If the customer doesn't like the outcome, tell them to call the foundry and have them recast the order, on their dime.

  • @anelpasic5232
    @anelpasic5232 Месяц назад

    The porosity is a built in chip breaker.

  • @rockymypug
    @rockymypug Месяц назад +1

    Cmon. Someone is dropping sand.

  • @stephensarkany3577
    @stephensarkany3577 Месяц назад +1

    Slag inclusions are murder on inserts.

  • @ctrhenry
    @ctrhenry Месяц назад +3

    Thats a part that should be hot forged instead of cast. Beancounters suck

    • @NeroontheGoon
      @NeroontheGoon Месяц назад +1

      When the SHTF, bean counters and lawyers are going to be used as food and firewood!

  • @GICK117
    @GICK117 Месяц назад

    What happens when the casting refuses to deliver part to spec? Back to the drawing board? That piece now looks like a boat anchor.

  • @slepy777
    @slepy777 Месяц назад +2

    Ja kiedys obrabiająć aluminiowe odlewy, dokopałem sie do stalowej siatki.

    • @ChrisMaj
      @ChrisMaj  Месяц назад +1

      @@slepy777 siatkę dodają na wzmocnienie odlewu.

  • @ronbuckner8179
    @ronbuckner8179 Месяц назад

    Is this piece‘s quality control (or lack of) worthy of rejection? I know cast steel can’t usually be welded on successfully, but I’m seeing as you turn this piece that it’s up and over 1+” out of round/spec. So how bad can it be, before it’s not good enough?

  • @Dr4g0nW00d
    @Dr4g0nW00d Месяц назад

    Do you like big jobs or smaller ones ?

  • @spikeydapikey1483
    @spikeydapikey1483 Месяц назад +1

    Holy crap!!

  • @demircitleps3323
    @demircitleps3323 Месяц назад

    Parça merkez puntaları iç çapa göre mi yapıldı çünkü dış çap çok salgılı döküm maça,larına tadilat lazım

  • @xsarchitect
    @xsarchitect Месяц назад +2

    So my company orders extras of a certain casting because they know it will have some that won't make it through because porosity, somebody is either stupid or getting kickbacks........

  • @mspeir
    @mspeir 23 дня назад

    Did the customer say to proceed with the job? If you're at dimension and it still looks like that, that's a BIG problem!

  • @DolezalPetr
    @DolezalPetr Месяц назад +11

    worst lumps of metal I have ever seen

  • @sergeantyps7944
    @sergeantyps7944 Месяц назад

    At such a mass of material that need to be chipped away why dont you use a fully round insert? Im quite new to lathework but from my perspective it would withstand that bad casting better and break less inserts on the roughing passes.

  • @Wayoutthere
    @Wayoutthere Месяц назад +2

    Well lets just pray this wont be installed in some infrastructure critical piece of machinery.....

  • @Bbqbob37
    @Bbqbob37 Месяц назад +2

    Is that for an edger on a roughing stand

    • @ChrisMaj
      @ChrisMaj  Месяц назад +1

      Hot strip mill, 34" vertical edger.

  • @brucejenner5856
    @brucejenner5856 Месяц назад

    It must be pretty disheartening when you get material like that to work with.

  • @paulcurtis2779
    @paulcurtis2779 Месяц назад +1

    Time to refuse them and send them back. . not worth keeping. The likelihood that there are errors/faults inside that cannot be seen (short of imaging) then they're just a danger, prone to failure. . Send them back.

  • @russellflemister393
    @russellflemister393 Месяц назад +1

    nice C's and Sixes seen a lot worse casting you did a awesome job with that casting

  • @truthslayerone264
    @truthslayerone264 Месяц назад +1

    Looks like casting from Pakistani scrap metal.

  • @SettledBatches
    @SettledBatches Месяц назад

    6:24 - Inserts do not like interrupted cuts, and just guessing that 'skin' is harder than the metal underneath.
    6:51 - Final D.?
    7:26 - There are jobs you just rather not deal with...
    9:57 - You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

  • @JavierMacchello
    @JavierMacchello Месяц назад +2

    Murder of inserts

  • @patrickradcliffe3837
    @patrickradcliffe3837 Месяц назад +1

    Cast was made by a five years old.

  • @SuperMike2507
    @SuperMike2507 Месяц назад

    I'm a welder for a pump manufacturer and sadly enough a part of my job is trying to save shitty castings like this. I stopped caring about the quality long ago, my employers name is on the pumps, not mine.

  • @mikemiller7357
    @mikemiller7357 Месяц назад

    "They're" the lowest bidder for a reason

  • @braddobson2060
    @braddobson2060 Месяц назад

    Thank god for fast forward

  • @tiotio3666
    @tiotio3666 Месяц назад

    That is some gian ass philips screw

  • @MWL4466
    @MWL4466 Месяц назад +4

    Those castings were made on a friday afternoon i bet. Junk.

    • @ChrisMaj
      @ChrisMaj  Месяц назад +2

      @@MWL4466 Yeah, or Monday with a hangover 😅

  • @TexDrinkwater
    @TexDrinkwater Месяц назад

    Pattern? We don't need no pattern!

  • @프부리
    @프부리 Месяц назад +1

    seco is god

  • @AK-vx4dy
    @AK-vx4dy Месяц назад

    You should mount angle grinder first, or steel brush rto remove sandd;)

  • @charleswelch249
    @charleswelch249 Месяц назад +1

    Those castings look worse than the ones in the Indian videos. Whoever was responsible for making them should be fired and have to replace them for free.

  • @johnthayjr4237
    @johnthayjr4237 Месяц назад

    lol dam the bad luck

  • @CursedLemon
    @CursedLemon 21 день назад

    Sandy Casting? I went to school with her

  • @jacobwilson4543
    @jacobwilson4543 24 дня назад +1

    Lots of slag inclusions and definitely pattern/ mold shift.

  • @briangarland9883
    @briangarland9883 Месяц назад

    Wabbler couplings!

  • @chrisrmorriscm
    @chrisrmorriscm Месяц назад

    So Stevie Wonder did have another career. He created castings. Good to know

  • @ApukEldar
    @ApukEldar Месяц назад

    👍👍