Why Do People Get So Mad About Italian Food? (ft. QCP)
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Today, Josh and Nicole are joined by Gianluca Conte to explore the visceral response society has about Italian Food.
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0:00 Welcome QCP!
2:39 Gabagool & Italian Dialect
4:14 Rules Of Italian Cooking
7:18 Olive Garden
9:45 Spaghetti & Meatballs Don't Mix
12:25 Angry On Social Media
15:12 Poop Influencer
16:21 QCP's Favorite Recipe
18:20 Impress Your Date With Magical Ragu
20:05 When Your Dad Is An Italian Chef
23:03 QCP's Hip Hop Beginnings
24:05 Portraying Italian Cuisine Online
26:09 Rao Vs. Homemade Sauce
27:33 Opinions Are Like Casseroles
28:07 QCP's Parmesan Song
28:54 Is Italian Food Better Without Meat?
32:38 Chicken & Dumplings & Leeks
37:04 What's The Best Gluten Free Product?
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This guy lost me the second he said that Chinese food has stayed authentic in the US… most of the “Chinese” food we eat is American creations. Same with Mexican and so many others. I could tell Nicole wanted to call him out but just moved on. 😂
I had the same exact thought
maybe cause most chinese food is from chinese people and not americans
He lost me when he claimed to be "first generation Italian" because his father came here from Italy. Not his Mother. Just his Father. Whatever generation he claims to be, he's half Italian at best. And, if he is first-generation, what was his father?
@@garathomasThere are distinct differences between traditional cuisines from parts of China, and then Chinese immigrants in America changing the recipes and coming up with entirely new dishes to suit American palettes. Or did you not know a Chinese person can be an American?
He's talking about Chinese American food, your missing the point
If you think Chinese food has stayed anywhere **NEAR** authentic in the US, I have a bridge to sell you.
Yup. If anything, Chinese cuisine adapts the most around the world. They do it because they adapt to their clientele. Chinese food in Italy has drastically different dishes than Chinese food in the US which is also different than what Chinese food in China is like. Local ingredients also play a big role in the changes.
My first thought as well 😂😂
I have seaside property here in Arizona to sell you.🤣
He's specifically talking about food made by chinese-american immigrants and comparing to how much more italian-american immigrants food has so many variations.
@@Altmetalpunk It's still not close. The problem is that if they made the food truly authentic to their home recipes, it wouldn't suit American taste. This means they have to alter the flavor (usually making it sweeter) so they don't go out of business.
This guy is making a lot of generalities about other cultures... His Italianess is confirmed.
My thoughts EXACTLY.
Italian: There is Italian food, and there is garbage. Nothing in between.
@@jerotoro2021 but there is above from that, depend on whom speak of
Isn't it odd how, when the only way someone knows how to show pride in their heritage is through anger, disgust and insults yet they somehow, can't understand why people seem annoyed when they express it? 😒
Funny that's exactly what you're doing
So many of the "authenticity" debates are based in the concept that all changes in American immigrant cuisines are done by or solely to suit the Anglo community. That is an influence, of course, but it so overlooks how much change was driven by adaptation within the community to different food availability. So much of the authenticity gatekeeping on food completely craps on that lived experience. Online food criticism in general often has weird classist overtones, so I hope we can leave that behind going forward.
People, of all regions, gotta get over the silly food rules. Cooking has evolved and we know a lot more about the science behind it nowadays.
That's why I like Josh's take about how new a lot of these foods are. He brought it up in the Ramen vs Pho episode too. Americans act like so many foods come from like hundreds or even thousands of years of tradition when a lot of these foods are only like 50 years old.
I'm only a few minutes in and I already feel like this guy has no actual knowledge of cooking. It seems like Josh and Nicole are trying really hard not to make him look stupid.
His take on shaky cheese is wrong. Shaky cheese is amazing - it's just not parm. It shouldn't be looked at next to parm.
Definitely. It's its own new separate type of cheese.
He said he's never even had it, either. How can you hate on a food you've never tried? It's not like it's a fringe food like Surströmming. Smh
I was born in Mexico. I lived with my mother and grandparents and we cooked very authentic Mexican food.. while living in America - yes there’s many variations on mex food and since living in Texas - TEX MEX is big here. There’s NOTHING WRONG with that. You really think I’m looking for authenticity at these chains or restaurants?? If I want authenticity, I ask my mom to cook for me😭
him saying non italians get more upset about Italian food is cap and copium. (i follow him on instagram, ive seen the proof)
Cap and copium? In 2024? I'm embarrassed for you.
@@raceloxWhere do you NPCs find the current year updates so fast?
@@hyperbaroque I ask my friend Nick Gurr. He knows.
Food is so amazing. I've never understood why you would put a limiter on yourself and your food just because of your culture. Tastes are a pallette like a painter has a pallette and it seems counter-intuitive to limit anything with this much expression just because thats not how Gigi used to do it.
Creativity isn't the problem. It's creating something and then claiming it to be authentic when it's clearly not. I love fusions and different takes on dishes as well, but have you seen Food Network stars try to appropriate foods? It's borderline criminal how wrong they are.
Absolutely no "ethnic" foods have remained consistent in the U.S. I just think Italian food comes up the most because Italians are truly passionate about food. However, Italian immigrants in the late 1800's and early 1900's had to adapt their normal diet to what products would be available in the U.S. The reality is this is how food travels across all ethnicities.
You look awful 😭
I just microwaved a cup of Chef Boyardee beef ravioli to eat while watching!
I appreciate measured takes from people who have them, about food.
I will never appreciate anyone who gatekeeps food types or preparation methods.
I absolutely enjoy and adore historical tradition, when it comes to food, and if I choose to make a traditional dish from any culture, I will 100% do everything within my power to make sure it's authentic.
But I also live in reality, and I am very rarely trying to make anything traditional or authentic.
I make things that are fun or easy to make, that I know myself and others enjoy.
I pay tribute to my own ancestors by making bastardized versions of every type of ethnic food, and I will never apologize for it.
Long story short...if you don't like it, don't cook or eat it.
Everything else is fair game.
This dude coming out swinging so hard at canned parm then saying he's never tried it, saying he thinks other foods have remained "authentic" in the U.S., complaining about gatekeeping while actively gatekeeping? Nope, he's just embarrassing.
I think it's hard to get very good food takes from someone who is still so young that he cares to think and talk more about his own social media "journey" than understanding food culture. Even his parmesan take wasn't rooted in actual experience since he has never tried shaky parm but is willing to disparage it because all other italians already do. Or thinking that american chinese cuisine is authentic to china. 😂
Yeah. Clearly an uncurious person.
Does he really need to try shaky Parma to know you can’t possibly be good?
Chinese food in what part of the continent? I imagine "chinese food" in Brazil is much different than in Canada.
Yes, I know you meant the USA. That's ignorant because USA is both more accurate and also shorter to type.
@@animalsmistakenformonsters1492 Yes. If he is speaking as an authority on a subject, then he has to have the BASIC knowledge on the subject...
Best gluten free dupes I’ve found:
Flour - Bobs red mill
Pasta - anything jovial brand
Bread - canyon bakehouse
People are unreal about these things. People get upset over pinaapple on pizza while the traditional pizza in Venice has wieners on it ...
Yeah but that's called American pizza.
Yep. People treat putting pineapple on pizza like you insulted their entire family. Salty and sweet works, but no one says you have to like every pizza style. Just stop acting like someone murdered your dog.
@@jeremyalexander8442 wow you know nothing at all.
Definitely missed the ball with other cuisines not being Americanized, but I think its the one that got folded in to the American diet the most. Spaghetti, lasagna, and pizza is a staple all over the country and a lot of times is made at home. With the exception of taco night, most other americanized cuisines usually involve going to the restaurants or getting pre-made stuff thats frozen. Becky from Iowa probably makes a spaghetti and a lasagna for her family, but i highly doubt she makes an orange chicken.
Pizza is more American than Italian. Only Naples had pizza before america
Spaghetti is a type of pasta not a dish.
How about spagooter?
@@moorenicola6264I bet you understood what they meant though
For the gluten-free:
#1: get a pasta stretcher and make your own with Bob's Red Mills gluten-free all-purpose flour. I promise it doesn't take that long and it's very well worth it.
#2: nasoya Zero Spaghetti (though I've only used it as Asian style noodles in ramen and for cold sesame noodles- but the texture is pretty great)
#3: Thai kitchen rice noodles- The ones that look like linguine. They're nice and chewy if you don't overcook them and they feel like real noodles.
#4: Also, maybe a hot take - I found that pasta made from imported Italian semolina flour by a local Italian restaurant or deli, (or pasta that's made in Italy for Italians and then imported, not the kind that's made in Italy for America and imported- It will have a European nutrition fact label and then an American nutrition fact label sticker stuck on the package) even though it has gluten, there's something about it that doesn't bother me like other pastas and gluten. It's worth a try if you're not super sensitive, or anaphylactic.
There is something with gluten free people being able to eat Italian gluten items. I think it has to do with how they mill their flour. Except for people with celiac since any gluten will lead to the immune system damaging their intestines.
Who's QCP? And why is he shirtless for this episode?
I in fact would describe my ideal diet as “a feudal Japanese lord”
Fish, rice, pickled veg, miso soup, tea, fruit, sake. Once in a while he may have hunted a bird of prey and had some fowl.
Olive Garden is to Italian food what New Jersey is to Italy
"Tradition" often means clinging to the past, even when evolution is necessary.
Those who cannot evolve shall be left behind by time. I suspect being left behind like that would anger anyone.
You look like a predator
I only made it about 10 min in. I don’t know how Josh made it through the episode with the nonsense that was spewing from that guys mouth. I hope next week will be more to my liking, can’t wait!
Nicole: "I don't like those margins"
Goddamn, spoken like a true business girl boss!
Lifelong NJ resident here. This podcast is the first time I have EVER heard of "meatball salad". Pork roll, of course. Tomato pie? Yes. Scrapple? That's us too. But meatball salad? WTF?
You need to worry less about that and more on finding a good plastic surgeon
This guy is such a broseph.
Anyone who says a food ruins an entire dish and should never be used, then says he's never tried it, is a fool. Anyone who says there are rules you cannot break about any kind of food is also a fool, and someone who will never be an innovator.
Chinese food? Authentic? Honey Indian food remained somewhat true to form. Chinese food *adapted* to Kuai Lo tastes so we could market it better. The only way you'd find a place with decent Chinese food west of the Himalayas is if you can find a place that dares to offer you steamed whole fish or *offals*. The Chinese food isn't decent unless there are gizzards, intestines and hearts on the menu.
Food often didn‘t develop around current country borders, so whatever you are eating abroad is an amalgamation anyways.
I have had a personal rule for years that I want to be the only person who doesn't speak x language if I am eating at X nationality restaurant.
“italian is the only cultures food that has become inauthentic” whew this is obviously a tiktok chef lmao. and he has a book…. gotta be honesty a miss having him as a guest
With the way he was talking about freedom fries and I started thinking about that restaurant before he said anything, it's like I have ESPN or something.
2nd generation Italian (Yeah, I'm Old) and great grandparents came from the Asti area. In the 50s & 60s on Sundays the entire family would all go to great grandma's house and make pasta, ravioli, tomato sauce, soup, etc. My 1st job was helping make the ravioli. We never made meat sauce as she didn't put meat in her tomato sauce. Meatballs or other meat was always served on the side. On the side it went better with the Chianti that every person at the table had a glass of. Even when young we had a glass of watered Chianti with the main meal.
For some weird reason I would love to see a Lionfeld collaboration…that would be approved
On the Gluten-free pasta front, I recommend the Tinkyada brown rice pasta. My partner and her children are very sensitive to gluten, and we've found this is as close to your average store-bought dry pasta as GF can get.
I think Italian food took on a different angle here because we didn’t have the exact ingredients so they made it work 💛💛💛💛💛🇺🇸
Let me guess you vote blue
Noooo we’ve imprinted our Americanness onto pretty much every ethnic food that exists in America.
Actually, the changes came about because immigrants couldn't get the ingredients they were accustomed to using. They substituted what they had. So people called it whichever cuisine it had roots in because it's what they were used to.
America is a continent, you know.
All of Mexico since i was alive always will put ketchup when they get their slice no matter what flavor it is i still can't understand why and some places who make Pizzas in Mexico dont even add the tomato pizza sauce.
It's the same in parts of Eastern Europe.
I’m glad you feel you can speak for ALL of Mexico
Gee wiz, an internet cook that doesn't wear a shirt has a dumb take on American culture and cuisine? Was this a slow week for Mythical Kitchen and they needed a last-minute guest? This guy is a dork.
i dont ever think about Ketchup on Pizza, but i do love me some sriracha sauce. Love it mixed in spaghetti too
It’s just sriracha not sriracha sauce😭🥱
I think because so many of the famous Italian dishes are actually based on or use other cultures p/regions ingredients (tomatoes, noodles, etc.) there’s a tie to saying that what makes it Italian is the process/presentation.
Ya the Full Hause chinese food up the road really makes me feel like i am in the middle of china with it's super authentic Genrals Tso's chicken lol
I'm always ready to not like this guy but this episode was as good as it could've been, per usual. I actually do like him and I think looking back on what it was, it's that I didn't care for his character in the videos but I like him as a regular person. Hmm, you learn something every day, maybe I'll go find his channel. ✌🏼
I’m sure your opinion is not as important or valued as you so obviously believe it is. The channel will survive without your support 😭🥱
I get that gluten-free replacement products are always going to be difficult and that you're not going to get a 1:1 replacement, but sometimes you've got to scratch the itch.
Also, Josh is ignoring the fact that, even if you eat like a "feudal lord" you still have to get alternate versions of everything. Soy sauce is started with wheat. Shaoxing Wine? Wheat. Gochujang? Might have barley malt in it. You can, of course, get GF labeled versions of these things, but it makes off-the-rack shopping at my local ethnic stores harder. (Tip: Dry Sherry subs for Shaoxing at a 1:1 ratio.)
The reality is that eating before globalization isn't the thing to do. The best path that I've found is to go the other way with it. Fusion. Find ways to mix stuff together.
Then the audacity of the "well, I wouldn't marry someone who..."
Sigh. Etc.
Appreciated.
Does Nicole have a playlist? I’m curious as she said she liked EDM here & I think on one of the shows she loves Radiohead. Nicole gimme a playlist! Wellll please.
you guys should find an excuse to make that sunday gravy
I am poor and can't even afford Olive Garden let alone expensive Italian restaurants.
Good morninggggg
gooood ooorning
The only thing worth eating at Olive Garden is the soup. The soups are made fresh, several times a day, from fresh, real ingredients.🤗
ILYYYY
I dip cheap flavorless pizza in catsup every once in a while. It’s not great either way.😂
This completely disregards the conversation about Tex-Mex and Mexican food.... Like nobody else has taken a cuisine and made it their own....
Italian tends to be somewhat vegetarian, until meat is places atop it. (not a veg-head)
Isn’t it very local italian to have primi and secondi piatti. So first course can be pasta, second is meat or whatever. Now Abroad you have one meal and throw it all together
La venza is amazing gluten free pasta it existed before gluten free was a thing so it was actually good egough to survive in a market with wheat. its 100% corn and made in italy. only gluten free pasta i dont hate
Chicken and dumplings no veg!, just some rosemary and salt and pepper.
Tomatoes are a North American plant, not European.
They are South American
Sicilian Italian Americans are probably the most proud about their food and culture. Fugedaboudit!!! 😂
Did I miss something or did they not talk about ketchup on pizza?
I have ppl who have to eat GF but could eat pasta made with Italian flour. It's made better then our flour.
can we get some spare pixels for the thumbnail plz
Its pasta bitsh ❤
Qcp didn’t talk a lot. It was mostly Josh and Nicole. I love them but let the guest talk more
Awesome job Josh with the podcast see you on Tuesday
“Italian” guy not knowing how awesome Italy generally is with gluten free and how seriously they take Celiac disease at the national level? 🤔
If you wasn't born and raised in a country then you are not from that country dude is not Italian his parents are from Italy
Only his Dad.
I think what he meant with that Chinese food stayed authentic is that you have a good separation of the two. Where these "authentic" Italian restaurants even mess up or claim their dishes are authentic and they are not.
What do you expect when some of the best Italian foods were not invented in Italy.
I hope so. He clearly knows his Italian vs Italian American cuisine along with the cultural differences, but isn’t an expert in other cuisines.
I watched this while eating leftover Olive Garden. It was delicious.
🎉🎉
Also having a certain calorie goal and being able to reach or do it really depends on how financially stable you are.
He's so Italian he can't even pronounce pasta properly. It's not paw-sta, it's pa-sta.
Jersey Italian American here. Love this episode
Get the dude a booster seat.
As a second gen Italian it’s true people love to tell you that your parents werent born in a different country….? I understand I was born in America but my dad was born in Italy. Therefore I am second generation Italian
they give you like 8 packets of ketchup per a small pizza in thailand. from pizza hut too. in fact they probably started it here since the other joint is a 1:1 copy of pizza hut
When I make chicken noodle soup/dumplings, I omit peas and carrots and add potatoes and corn. Huge family fave.
Much less nutritionally balanced, though.
My 3 year old loooves Ketchup on pizza 😂
It's all they have here in America since the mob died
I'm only italian born and I feel the same way about fake parmasean. It's just cellulose powder. So I guess it's like adding breadcrumbs, which is yummy. Just don't call it parmasean; parmasean has cheese pulls. I see why both are probably used in American-Italian foods.
Where does Italian dressing fall into all this? For years i've been making ceaser salad with meatballs, its amazing! the secret is to make the meatballs and let them get cold before adding them
Dude is all over the place and rambling lol
How is he sitting there in no shirt and an apron trying to get us to take him seriously??? I’ve watched his videos before. Never took him seriously. Stop making yourself a joke while trying to be knowledgeable. Doesn’t work for me.
Me, 15 minutes in: Ay yo, my mans not wearing a shirt over 'ere.
This guest was mid at best.
There is a correlation of a nations IQ and how upset their people get when disturbing their traditions and food. If we take a country with a great society and civilization, like Sweden. They will not offend easily when changing their recipes or poking fun at their tradition, because their race invented so much for this world. Now take Italians or a country in Africa, they hardly invented anything, or have little to nothing to offer. Therefore, the people are easily upset.
This is a scientific fact one should not ignore and ignore it is a sign of extreme ignorance to the scientific method.
Yet another week of hearing Josh say something to defend his antifrench take. We get it you supported the war in Iraq.
I’ve only watched a couple minutes and I fully agree. Italian food has been completely changed but if you’re going to do this episode, you need to do an episode on Mexican food and you messed up by not doing it on Cinco de Mayo which isn’t even a Mexican holiday it is, the observance of one battle in one place the battle of Puebla but I digress if you’re gonna come at Italian food you need to come at Mexican food, Tex Mex versus Cali mix versus Mexican traditional
Try to tell an American that we use mayo for our fries
You really think the majority of the people on an entire continent have never heard of this insignificant factoid?
Pulp Fiction did an awful lot of box office.
How wrong can one guy be?
QCP is one of the greatest things i've discovered! its a plus he's a cutie!
I don't agree with the very idea of this episode - Italy is a very internally diverse country, and most so called "rules" were only codified in the past few decades. There's no need to be so a**l about these rules - just use the best ingredients you can afford, and cook it as you like.
Chinese food in America is crazy for me🥲
When did this channel become a podcast?
Once a week for over a year...
Wow this comment section just heard 1 line this guys said and just NOTHING else....
yall are just 👏👏👏 classic internet
Buzzurri
Josh has jumped the shark. Over it
Last meals with QCP
Pleeeaaassseeeeeee
First comment
Get a life. Sad,sad behaviour.
Italy. A European country who's people are known for gatekeeping the authentic way of combining a recipe from Asia with an ingredient from North America. Don't question them, or Guido will bring you a new pair of REALLY heavy shoes.
No Italians found here, only some random Americans cosplaying as Italians