I'd LOVE To See This Happen In ESO Like The Vestige's Soul Asleep Within Molag Bal's Lair While He Dreams Of Traveling Nirn And Suddenly Awakens Where He Thinks About Nirn But Molag Bal Puts Another Dark Anchor On Nirn But Molag Bal Approaches Vestige's Soul And Taps The Sphear Awakens Him And Makes Molag Bal To Laugh But The Rope Breaks And The Sphear Shatters Causes The Vestige's Soul To Flee Coldharbour And Enter Nirn However Molag Bal Notices Vestige's Soul Is Gone And Recaptures Vestige's Soul
Oh boy! Arthas references! I hope we get to see him soon! Me moments before f*cking disaster and all hope for this expansion truly gone. c.tenor.com/hyeHOxLHyBwAAAAd/tenor.gif
I wanted a Arthas Jaina uther reunion I believe Arthas did nothing wrong with stratholm if he hadn't did what he did half of the world would of been overrun by undead and if a love interest and a mentor had stayed around he prob would of never picked up frostmourne
i mean on one hand i agree. on the other i think he's only managed to be such an amazing charecter throughout because he just barely isn't getting popular enough for the hack writters to wanna do stuff with him.
Now they are making her elder sister Alleria the Alliance version of Sylvanas... Please, let us give the Windrunner family a rest and have new characters take the stage.
I don’t really understand why you think Alleria is the Alliance Sylvanas. Everything about her is almost completely the opposite of Sylvanas. Alleria fights for her family. For Turalyon. She CHOSE to become what she is now. It is her love for Arathor and Turalyon that allows her to keep the influence of the void at bay. Like… by the end of the story campaign she’s even starting to shake off Xal’atath’s influence. Other than a shared last name, Alleria’s only real similarity with Sylvanas is their impulsive nature. Sylvanas did not have a choice in becoming what she is. Her hatred and anger towards Arthas consumed her for years. From WC3 to ICC she had only 1 goal. She felt her existence and purpose for “living”was so bound up to the Lich King’s fate that when he fell, she tried to find peace in a true death. Unless I’m missing something here, I think you don’t need to worry about Alleria going down the road Sylvanas did.
@@leeroyj7300Sylvanas is the obvious best fit for that particular whisper of the old gods. She died by Arthas’s hand. When the Lich King was defeated she threw herself off the top of ICC. She DID die, and it took the sacrifice of one of the Val’Kyr to return her to undeath once again. With midnight being set in Quel’Thalas, I have absolutely NO doubt that Sylvanas is returning to the story. I also think they will give her a sort of redemption arc that ends in her 3rd death. A TRUE death this time. Of course, plans may have changed. Shadowlands bombed so hard that they had to readjust the narrative. There have been almost NO references to what went down during that expansion. I think Pelagos is mentioned once. The Winter Queen and Ardenweald have a cameo appearance in the lead up to the Emerald Dream raid, where malfurion takes Ysera’s place so that she can prepare her flight for the defence of Amirdrassil, but she goes back once her task is complete. It’s entire possible that I’m wrong and missed another reference or 2, but I really can’t recall any other references to the characters or story of the Shadowlands. Well, maybe 1 more reference to make it 3 total. Xal’atath makes an oblique reference to how even “The realm of death” couldn’t get through our plot armor. I’m okay with that. I want to forget shadowlands exists too. Edit: I actually wouldn’t mind getting more of Ve’nari. Denathrius is still out there somewhere too. To me, they were by far the best parts of the entire expansion. I’d happily welcome them back into the narrative if a way could be found.
True, the tree was set ablaze by Elune directly to do this, in fact Sylvanas was at home taking a bath in embalming fluids during the tragic event as Darkshore was completely silent with peace.
@@comet392Yet people cry about Undead Paladins makes no sense. “dUh UnDeAd In LoRe CaN oNlY bE sHaDoW” Tell that to my Disc/Holy Undead priests and I have met during these years.
If I was a writer for Blizzard I would have a soul fragment of Arthas return and be forced into the Maw with Sylvanas. What better punishment for her than to suffer through her sentence than to be forced to do it with Arthas? It would serve as his punishment too rather than simply disappearing as a tiny wisp.
Don't think that would have worked. Arthas has a very diverse fanbase that wanted different thing. A lot wanted him to be a boss, either corrupted or accepted. A lot wanted redemption either to right his wrongs, or to avenge his lost of freedom. His story over the years kept getting mildy retconned and building new fanbases. I am sure the Arthas I see is very different form the Arthas you see, as I wouldn't liked your ending. I am more inline with Arthas being another victim as a pawn to other peoples schemes. To me, he never had his hands on the wheel the moment he picked up frostmourne. I would have perfered an avenging route, where Arthas is angry that the light forsake him in his time of need, the darkness for taking away his agency and using him as a tool, and the afterlife for still never letting him find peace after all his failures. As shit as it sounds, what we got might have been the only way not to cause a fandom war. Make everyone partially disappointed, instead of giving one group what they wanted only to piss of the rest.
@@AlexSteel-o9s Bruh, I know you don't like certain races, but she's barely even related to Lothar. They are like 10 generations separated. The only thing in common is the Lothar name.
I mean is that possible? Even with the alternative dark portal's universe? Would arthas have become the lich king in that universe at that point and i think it'd depend on that massively as it's probably the only way of doing so and that's of she even exists in that universe's azeroth but it's also meaning we could get vol'jin and everyone else missing back but then it's a deus ex machina.
Blizzard forgot that this is an Alliance game, and the Horde should just happy to be a part of it. So it didn't happen. They then opted to give us more Anduin content, lol
What in Azeroth is going on at Blizzard? The WoW story should've ended after Legion when Sargeras was finally defeated. This whole Jailor nonsense is nothing but padding the void that is now lore.
Hah, as if Blizzard is ever gunna stop, WoW's their cash-cow. They know full well as long as they keep putting out content, as meager as it is, people will still pay for the new expansion each year. They'll find ANY reason to keep it going.
It’s so interesting watching this back. We see all of his father’s teachings taking place here. Holding to duty, to honor, remembering that there’s inner strength, not just the strength of the light
I love blizz's writing, we are literally told it was Ardenweald that pushed Sylvanas to burn Teldressil so they could gather the souls to keep the place alive, but Tyrande just ignores all that and blames Sylvanas for it. Such trash writing. Then there was that cut scene where the Kyrian tell Alexnadros that he was sent to Maldraxus because he was needed there, that him following and devoting his entire life to the Light was meaningless. That the Light and the Void mean nothing in the end... while they are constantly being attacked by the Void.
Plus in the book that was released for pre-BFW, they stated that the reason she burned the tree was tactical. That she realized that she couldn't occupy teldrasil because the alliance forces would trap them in teldrasil or take Orgrimar in their stead. So she burns the tree to take their hope.
What are you talking about? Sylvanas didn't know about Ardenweald, and certainly no one there forced her to burn the tree. Some Sylvanas fans want to protect this character so much that they ignore true lore, to fit narrative to their headcanon.
@@marcinbiay1074Yea, I certainly didn't remember anything like that. Sylvannas burned the tree to feed the maw as she was already partnered with the jailor, it was the only way she could stand up to malfurion in power.
Sylvanas was too popular and they just didn't know what to do with her so they sent her to somewhere instead of killing her. Worst character development ever
Development of characters is something Blizzard fail to do since WC3. Destorying characters and creating Mary Sue's is all Blizzard knows how to do since WoW came into existence.
They didn't give a shit about the fanbase. Their writing was poor, and chose a very popular character in their writing in an attempt to make it good. Failed miserably. Stop creating new races. They look poor and have shit history behind them. New classes are fine, new sub classes even better. Semi retire current characters. Introduce new characters ever few dlc (other than baddies). Most importantly: Retire current writers.
When I first saw that cinematic at Bastion with Lord Uther and the treasonout boy king I was so mad all the time it disgusted me I even regularly called our GM the boy king he was paladin and started his guild back in pre-tbc now he all grown up but boy kings enraged me !
I was still hope that when Jailer raid is done at the very end he said "I'm sorry i failed us all Arthas..." Sylvanas then like "wha-" Jailer Body began to glow and hundred if not thousand of Tormented souls begin to being absorb into his avatar bodies and then a last tiny small wisp floating in front of it the entire group looks and only two person could utter a word Jaina: Arthas... Sylvanas: Impossible... It enter the Jailer broken avatar and the Third phase of the Raid start.
Idk man, she did a lot of bad shit and it would have been SUPER lame if she got off Scott free. Also, why do you think Tyrande is watching her when there isn't any reason to? I bet Tyrande is going to get her out of there eventually.
@@willo1345She doesn't need to "get away with it" but making the alliance and horde constantly agree on everything and having this Disney like ending where everyone knows "the wrongs they did" is just crazy man it's boring. It cheapened the lich King arc, Having the entire horde turn of Garrosh to just have the same tired story on repeat.... Trash. Sylvanas was bitter, She was angry, She had power and the majority of the horde would have backed the burning of the enemy's capital... It was war man and the player base at the time was divided on it.... Like it should be. This actually gets to my point if you're going to write a war story you need both sides to feel justified in the conflict and the escalation and blizzard has never been able to do that. Sylvanas's story should have been that of a warlord not whatever this was. I also hate how they always have the horde join with the alliance to take down The horde like geez it's a tired story. All thrall and Saurfang did was put an alliance flag in The horde capital and now what? We have a stupid council that isn't represented in any aspect of the game.... It's just weak writing and this ending is just felt boring, she should have gone down fighting even if she's wrong even if she's evil..... Her being like I'm enlightened and now and agree with everyone else like I don't have a thought in my own head because I was wrong. I know I can't make up for it so do whatever you want with me because I'm a bad person. It's just lame.... But really I find a lot of blizzards endings to be underwhelming compared to the stories they represent. Illidan's story is amazing until the last like chapter and then it's just stupid...." I am my scars" it's just cringe. But maybe sylvanas should have gotten away with it and The horde doesn't abandon her. How about the horde leads us into the shadowlands to defeat the jailer but unleashes hell on azeroth and the alliance's entire goals is to close that with understanding what we are doing, no side is really wrong.... The horde and the alliance should not be allies It diminishes the game and I think that's mostly what I'm angry about. Like I spent the last expansion doing alliance quests for the first half. I never finished the story because I don't like Anduin and I don't understand why I as an orc shaman am trying to get the powers back for the alliance King.... Dumb. Really though, I've had an issue with Warcraft story since maybe pandaria, legion and battle for azeroth were pretty good till the end of battle for azeroth the last part of that is lame... Shadowlands is just boring. I skipped the dragon one. I had no interest at all and then I bought this last expansion and I think that might be my last expansion to be honest. I just don't think I care anymore where the story's going because it's not going anywhere interesting and I think they should just dissolve the factions already it's clear that is what they want to do anyways.
Overpaid clueless lore designers and interns doing half of their jobs even worse. Soon they’ll start recruiting deserving developers and make good stories again once Trump ends this DEI madness, if Blizzard is still alive by then.
@@theblackpinkguy1589 it's crazy you think Trump is going to do anything of the sort, he will be to busy selling us out to Russia and letting Musk triple his net worth on the backs of regular people. The fact you came here on a video about a videogames story to talk up your cult leader is hilarious.
I want my Sylvanas back, going for the truth and braking chains around Azeroth. 3rd Faction would have been nice, no matter horde nor alliance, just following her and the truth behind the curtains.
Wall of text incoming!!! I want to fight the Legion again or even a new LK. Could come from the south pole this time. But this time around, the enemy is almost successful to the point that most cities are beseiged or even taken. We get sylvanas back to help push them back, but she's more of a side character and we follow a new character as old characters from the game get semi retired (they can fight but are mainly an advisory role) and both alliance and horde get their own hero new character. Make it a couple of DLCs long, each city gets retaken as a strattholme sized dungeon and/or raid. We fight a corrupted race leader or we fight an undead boss and/or demon (like Mal'ganus/Legion for example) we slowly retake (and I mean slowly) retake the continents as Horde and Alliance and push South. Sylvanas sent back as she knows this enemy. DLC 2 could be a ICC2 but in the South or even DLC 3, have multiple new zones to fight in. No new races, but maybe have current races trying to hold out like we were. Have our current LK fight the new one, get beaten, while we're fighting in some place that will help us fight back. Have the world open to both factions and even have cross chat so we can play both sides of the story and to help feel like we're both desperately trying to fight back. PVP - we could have someone like Tyrande for example wanting to claim a new world tree. Dwarves wanting to dig for gold/metals. Horde on other hand could have someone like goblin leader wanting to cut it down and dig for gold and they can happily fight it out just like the area beneath Icecrown back in WotLK. Make it a fairly big zone so there's lots to do there. Build a base like in previous dlc (won't get attacked by players but will have to deal with npc attacks) Make the zone resource rich (will interest players to visit) Both sides condemn that war but both sides present on island don't care and continue. NEW ICC2 is pure frozen island, not random jungle here and there. Make flying triangle (forgotten the names of these - ziggernaught?...was a raid in WotLK - Naxxaramas) have these to fight in/destroy/take over - Death Knights zone or act as base for both factions Have multiple world bosses to fight - all undead/demon. Sulvanas could help find way of fighting back in the maw, to which gets rewarded for helping and to fight back. Have final boss like a huge battlefield where you fight the new LK. 25 man could be new LK and Demon combo
Sylvanas Windrunner was literally the coolest character, next to the Lich King, and that garbage release destroyed them both. I can't forgive the writers who pushed for this storyline for that.
The scene with Tyrande on the edge of the cliff talking to Silvanas about Penitence would be Absolute Cinema if she had kicked Silvanas just like in the movie 300 ;)🤌🤌
I think if Sylvanas was given emotional care after becoming free, we'd have prevented everything. If the world was just a tad more emotionally intelligent.
@@cameronmcewen7192 if "free" refers to her becoming forsaken and becoming the queen of them, then yes : If she was not judged heavily by the alliance for becoming an undead and shouldering the fate of her people with all the responsibilities it meant, yeah, the story would have been different, but it is not the story of this world.
In Christianity, a person needs not to work to pay back the evil they have done in their life. Jesus perfectly paid that price and a person simply needs to accept that the payment was made on their account. Then, because you are overcome with such joy and love, a person then does good works, not out of obligation but from a grateful heart. It breaks my heart to see a character such as Sylvanas, even though this is a fictional universe, to accept the role of penance which will never be 'good enough' to heal the ache of the past. This is true for us outside the Warcraft universe. Also, the hurt and pain Tyrande is facing will only be healed by forgiving Sylvanas. This is a huge task that requires help from God Almighty (Jesus Christ). If you want to seek healing, restoration, justification of your sins, and a relationship with Jesus, pray to Him and ask. Repent and believe. Love ya'll! :)
Dude the Shadowlands were so fucking weird. Like the narrative reached the frustrating conclusion of the esotericism they had been cultivating since the end of legion. Really frustrating they didn't just pivot into an old ones xpat after BFA which I think most people were expecting
Sylvanas gets a attempt at redemption for commiting terrible acts while she was in control of her own choices while Arthas is sent to some kind of hell for his actions taken while under the control of frostmourn.
She wasn't fully in control. We are told this, she had her soul split and the one that remained was the Banshee, as Arthas had made her (as punishment for her fighting him) and so he could use her in his war against the elves. So she isn't fully in control. She also had killed herself at the end of ICC, and had gone to the shadowlands, and no point met the jailor. She was revived by a Valkerie, so it's likely she was being controlled by him, just like the jailor or at least influenced/corrupted by him. Its terrible writing by blizzard and shits all over Sylvanas' fans.
duuno but forever i was disgusted from tyrande and malfurion.. supposed they are the good ones and have more darkness in their souls from every villain that have pass.. and all this start some time ago even before illidans story.. i hate them..
Lost potential. But Night elves are the source of corruption, just look at their very first queen. In Warhammer, wood elves are not a „good“ faction, they are 50/50 shadow and light, just like nature is sometimes brutal. Apply that to the night elves… and it makes sense again. Night elves are just not clever enough, because sticking to the old ways is the anti thesis to learn your way out of your misery.
@@patrikzotaj4528 I actually believe there is a possibility that he does. The sliver of anima (soul) that we saw of him in that cinematic was just that which was always trapped inside the mourneblade. There is no reason to believe otherwise due to them never showing us. Yes Uther did say that was what remained was a remnant from the Maw but how does he know that for sure? He wasn't there, that is just his assumption. Arthas's story is one of tragedy and I doubt they set out to just let his story end this way. What has Uther been up to since? What has Sylvanas been up to since? 🤔🤔🤔
I loved ShadowLands, unlike many. I wish they'd upgrade/repaint the game with just a touch more reality. WOW will always be my first-love MMO. She simply failed to evolve.
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I'd LOVE To See This Happen In ESO Like
The Vestige's Soul Asleep Within Molag Bal's Lair While He Dreams Of Traveling Nirn And Suddenly Awakens Where He Thinks About Nirn But Molag Bal Puts Another Dark Anchor On Nirn But Molag Bal Approaches Vestige's Soul And Taps The Sphear Awakens Him And Makes Molag Bal To Laugh But The Rope Breaks
And The Sphear Shatters Causes The Vestige's Soul To Flee Coldharbour
And Enter Nirn However Molag Bal
Notices Vestige's Soul Is Gone And
Recaptures Vestige's Soul
Owl be like: Gee, thanks for the volenteering me to spend who knows how long in the dumpster of afterlifes.
😂
Can't be worse than watching one crap expansion after another ruin the warcraft lore :D
So many arthas references then we got whatever that shit was
Oh boy! Arthas references! I hope we get to see him soon!
Me moments before f*cking disaster and all hope for this expansion truly gone.
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Your love for an old IP is getting exploited. You have to move on.
Gayness.
It perfectly sums up what Blizzard has become though.
I wanted a Arthas Jaina uther reunion I believe Arthas did nothing wrong with stratholm if he hadn't did what he did half of the world would of been overrun by undead and if a love interest and a mentor had stayed around he prob would of never picked up frostmourne
im so glad you are still making videos of the lore in WoW Athelarius much appreciated
I really REALLY want more of Lor'thermar action and involvement
i mean on one hand i agree. on the other i think he's only managed to be such an amazing charecter throughout because he just barely isn't getting popular enough for the hack writters to wanna do stuff with him.
Now they are making her elder sister Alleria the Alliance version of Sylvanas... Please, let us give the Windrunner family a rest and have new characters take the stage.
"at the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming" pretty sure either her or Xal'atath will die this Xpac
I think they should do the same for Khadgar
@@leeroyj7300 Has Xal'atath died before?
I don’t really understand why you think Alleria is the Alliance Sylvanas.
Everything about her is almost completely the opposite of Sylvanas.
Alleria fights for her family. For Turalyon. She CHOSE to become what she is now. It is her love for Arathor and Turalyon that allows her to keep the influence of the void at bay. Like… by the end of the story campaign she’s even starting to shake off Xal’atath’s influence. Other than a shared last name, Alleria’s only real similarity with Sylvanas is their impulsive nature.
Sylvanas did not have a choice in becoming what she is. Her hatred and anger towards Arthas consumed her for years. From WC3 to ICC she had only 1 goal. She felt her existence and purpose for “living”was so bound up to the Lich King’s fate that when he fell, she tried to find peace in a true death.
Unless I’m missing something here, I think you don’t need to worry about Alleria going down the road Sylvanas did.
@@leeroyj7300Sylvanas is the obvious best fit for that particular whisper of the old gods. She died by Arthas’s hand. When the Lich King was defeated she threw herself off the top of ICC. She DID die, and it took the sacrifice of one of the Val’Kyr to return her to undeath once again.
With midnight being set in Quel’Thalas, I have absolutely NO doubt that Sylvanas is returning to the story. I also think they will give her a sort of redemption arc that ends in her 3rd death. A TRUE death this time.
Of course, plans may have changed. Shadowlands bombed so hard that they had to readjust the narrative. There have been almost NO references to what went down during that expansion.
I think Pelagos is mentioned once. The Winter Queen and Ardenweald have a cameo appearance in the lead up to the Emerald Dream raid, where malfurion takes Ysera’s place so that she can prepare her flight for the defence of Amirdrassil, but she goes back once her task is complete. It’s entire possible that I’m wrong and missed another reference or 2, but I really can’t recall any other references to the characters or story of the Shadowlands.
Well, maybe 1 more reference to make it 3 total. Xal’atath makes an oblique reference to how even “The realm of death” couldn’t get through our plot armor.
I’m okay with that. I want to forget shadowlands exists too.
Edit: I actually wouldn’t mind getting more of Ve’nari. Denathrius is still out there somewhere too. To me, they were by far the best parts of the entire expansion. I’d happily welcome them back into the narrative if a way could be found.
Living Sylvanas is the most breathtaking, stylized 3D model Warcraft has ever seen.
Citizens of Teldrassil were food fed by Elune to her sister in Shadowlands. And for that ... Sylvanas were punished.
Crazy how blind and shortsighted Tyrande has always been and gets away with it
True, the tree was set ablaze by Elune directly to do this, in fact Sylvanas was at home taking a bath in embalming fluids during the tragic event as Darkshore was completely silent with peace.
Tyrande ALSO gave her hope; because Nathanos is down there as well
a lot of people dont care about that sadly, but i was so happy sylvanas has a specific motive to get him back!
Greymane heals from an arrow shot in the back but, Sylvanas doesn't heal from a simple cut near the eye.
Canonically undead don't heal unless external forces do it for them. So she chose not to get it fixed. A very Sylvanas thing to do.
@@catrinastars It also makes it ironic that undead can be a priest.
@@comet392 Hey the Light is an outside force.
@@comet392Yet people cry about Undead Paladins makes no sense. “dUh UnDeAd In LoRe CaN oNlY bE sHaDoW”
Tell that to my Disc/Holy Undead priests and I have met during these years.
@@xeronylloyd21 If they are a priest they should be able to heal those marks.
If I was a writer for Blizzard I would have a soul fragment of Arthas return and be forced into the Maw with Sylvanas. What better punishment for her than to suffer through her sentence than to be forced to do it with Arthas? It would serve as his punishment too rather than simply disappearing as a tiny wisp.
Arthas became nothing but a lost ancient history to the very last moment…nothing but remnants
yes.
@@KuenGaTshering-h2u ok danuser i know you hate metzen lore but chill
Don't think that would have worked. Arthas has a very diverse fanbase that wanted different thing. A lot wanted him to be a boss, either corrupted or accepted. A lot wanted redemption either to right his wrongs, or to avenge his lost of freedom.
His story over the years kept getting mildy retconned and building new fanbases. I am sure the Arthas I see is very different form the Arthas you see, as I wouldn't liked your ending. I am more inline with Arthas being another victim as a pawn to other peoples schemes. To me, he never had his hands on the wheel the moment he picked up frostmourne. I would have perfered an avenging route, where Arthas is angry that the light forsake him in his time of need, the darkness for taking away his agency and using him as a tool, and the afterlife for still never letting him find peace after all his failures.
As shit as it sounds, what we got might have been the only way not to cause a fandom war. Make everyone partially disappointed, instead of giving one group what they wanted only to piss of the rest.
@yummychips_ Great take, you're right.
Falling asleep watching this. Good night night medicine
I want alive elf Sylvanas back
Bit uhh... Well I mean maybe the Primus can give her a second chance at it. Break undeath once and for all.
It would be more interesting than an Lothar bloodline that just spawned out of nowhere and not even looking like actual Anduin Lothar
@@AlexSteel-o9s Bruh, I know you don't like certain races, but she's barely even related to Lothar. They are like 10 generations separated. The only thing in common is the Lothar name.
I mean is that possible? Even with the alternative dark portal's universe? Would arthas have become the lich king in that universe at that point and i think it'd depend on that massively as it's probably the only way of doing so and that's of she even exists in that universe's azeroth but it's also meaning we could get vol'jin and everyone else missing back but then it's a deus ex machina.
Sure, what WOW needs is more Sylvia
The Kerrigan parallels got even stronger.
I loved the SL-cinematics with Sylvanas. I do miss her. Patty rocks!
What happen with Kael thas and Lor Themar metting?????!!!
it was MERELY A SETBACK!!!
Blizzard forgot that this is an Alliance game, and the Horde should just happy to be a part of it.
So it didn't happen. They then opted to give us more Anduin content, lol
Tyrande really makes it easy to dislike her...
Feel like the Owl got the brown end of the stick here….
What in Azeroth is going on at Blizzard? The WoW story should've ended after Legion when Sargeras was finally defeated. This whole Jailor nonsense is nothing but padding the void that is now lore.
Lore really went to shit after the legion sad but true.
Hah, as if Blizzard is ever gunna stop, WoW's their cash-cow. They know full well as long as they keep putting out content, as meager as it is, people will still pay for the new expansion each year. They'll find ANY reason to keep it going.
It’s so interesting watching this back. We see all of his father’s teachings taking place here. Holding to duty, to honor, remembering that there’s inner strength, not just the strength of the light
”Waah I have no light!” *casually resurrects most powerful mage to ever live*
Somebody doesn't understand trauma
@ yeah and its blizzard
Bring back my Dark Lady!
Give her another chance to find redemption once this task is done.
and arthas we miss him.
They are not the same person. Necromancy is not just magical control. It shatters the soul.
I love blizz's writing, we are literally told it was Ardenweald that pushed Sylvanas to burn Teldressil so they could gather the souls to keep the place alive, but Tyrande just ignores all that and blames Sylvanas for it. Such trash writing.
Then there was that cut scene where the Kyrian tell Alexnadros that he was sent to Maldraxus because he was needed there, that him following and devoting his entire life to the Light was meaningless. That the Light and the Void mean nothing in the end... while they are constantly being attacked by the Void.
Plus in the book that was released for pre-BFW, they stated that the reason she burned the tree was tactical. That she realized that she couldn't occupy teldrasil because the alliance forces would trap them in teldrasil or take Orgrimar in their stead. So she burns the tree to take their hope.
What are you talking about? Sylvanas didn't know about Ardenweald, and certainly no one there forced her to burn the tree. Some Sylvanas fans want to protect this character so much that they ignore true lore, to fit narrative to their headcanon.
@@marcinbiay1074bruh how tf you think she's working for the Jailer and doesnt know about the parts of the underworld
@@marcinbiay1074Yea, I certainly didn't remember anything like that. Sylvannas burned the tree to feed the maw as she was already partnered with the jailor, it was the only way she could stand up to malfurion in power.
@@willo1345 I think it was just to strengthen the Maw, sadly after burning the tree, she won't fight Malfurion even once.
Sylvanas was too popular and they just didn't know what to do with her so they sent her to somewhere instead of killing her. Worst character development ever
she will always be my dark lady
For the Dark Lady. Im Life and Death. Sylvanas Soulrunner.
@@MorgorDreyou mean Windrunner
Development of characters is something Blizzard fail to do since WC3. Destorying characters and creating Mary Sue's is all Blizzard knows how to do since WoW came into existence.
They didn't give a shit about the fanbase.
Their writing was poor, and chose a very popular character in their writing in an attempt to make it good. Failed miserably.
Stop creating new races. They look poor and have shit history behind them. New classes are fine, new sub classes even better.
Semi retire current characters.
Introduce new characters ever few dlc (other than baddies).
Most importantly:
Retire current writers.
we hope there are the better surviving parts of Arthas are probably still out there somewhere in the Maw and will be sent to the Arbiter individually.
I miss Arthas
Okay, so did Lor'themar actually spoke to Kael'thas?
We will never know
Blizzard only care about Anduin and Thrall
I didn't know that dialogue with lor'thermar but it would be a interesting dialogue between him and Kaelthas
When I first saw that cinematic at Bastion with Lord Uther and the treasonout boy king I was so mad all the time it disgusted me I even regularly called our GM the boy king he was paladin and started his guild back in pre-tbc now he all grown up but boy kings enraged me !
I was still hope that when Jailer raid is done at the very end he said
"I'm sorry i failed us all Arthas..."
Sylvanas then like "wha-"
Jailer Body began to glow and hundred if not thousand of Tormented souls begin to being absorb into his avatar bodies and then a last tiny small wisp floating in front of it the entire group looks and only two person could utter a word
Jaina: Arthas...
Sylvanas: Impossible...
It enter the Jailer broken avatar and the Third phase of the Raid start.
LOVE IT!!!! Thanks Athelarius!!! Another triumph and more reason I love Anduin!
10:40 we love you Khadgar! Don’t ever leave us…… ever 😚
Manduin use to resurrect entire armies
the animation style has improved miles already, look at the sylvanas one with uther, and the anduin/khadgar/alleria, wow
I'd kill for my character to look that good!
Makes me wanna play Belf hunter now
Sehr gutes Video! Grüße aus Deutschland!
I love this. But why now?
i miss her sooo much
and arthas.
I want badass Sylvanas back
Or I want to watch the adventures of Sylvanas Soulrunner
Go play Warcraft 3 then
@@theblackpinkguy1589 and that relates how to the maw?
Such a stupid end to her story.... why does blizzard squander so many storylines of such well built characters by giving them these trash endings.
Idk man, she did a lot of bad shit and it would have been SUPER lame if she got off Scott free.
Also, why do you think Tyrande is watching her when there isn't any reason to? I bet Tyrande is going to get her out of there eventually.
@@willo1345She doesn't need to "get away with it" but making the alliance and horde constantly agree on everything and having this Disney like ending where everyone knows "the wrongs they did" is just crazy man it's boring.
It cheapened the lich King arc, Having the entire horde turn of Garrosh to just have the same tired story on repeat.... Trash.
Sylvanas was bitter, She was angry, She had power and the majority of the horde would have backed the burning of the enemy's capital... It was war man and the player base at the time was divided on it.... Like it should be.
This actually gets to my point if you're going to write a war story you need both sides to feel justified in the conflict and the escalation and blizzard has never been able to do that. Sylvanas's story should have been that of a warlord not whatever this was.
I also hate how they always have the horde join with the alliance to take down The horde like geez it's a tired story. All thrall and Saurfang did was put an alliance flag in The horde capital and now what? We have a stupid council that isn't represented in any aspect of the game.... It's just weak writing and this ending is just felt boring, she should have gone down fighting even if she's wrong even if she's evil..... Her being like I'm enlightened and now and agree with everyone else like I don't have a thought in my own head because I was wrong. I know I can't make up for it so do whatever you want with me because I'm a bad person.
It's just lame.... But really I find a lot of blizzards endings to be underwhelming compared to the stories they represent. Illidan's story is amazing until the last like chapter and then it's just stupid...." I am my scars" it's just cringe.
But maybe sylvanas should have gotten away with it and The horde doesn't abandon her. How about the horde leads us into the shadowlands to defeat the jailer but unleashes hell on azeroth and the alliance's entire goals is to close that with understanding what we are doing, no side is really wrong.... The horde and the alliance should not be allies It diminishes the game and I think that's mostly what I'm angry about.
Like I spent the last expansion doing alliance quests for the first half. I never finished the story because I don't like Anduin and I don't understand why I as an orc shaman am trying to get the powers back for the alliance King.... Dumb. Really though, I've had an issue with Warcraft story since maybe pandaria, legion and battle for azeroth were pretty good till the end of battle for azeroth the last part of that is lame... Shadowlands is just boring. I skipped the dragon one. I had no interest at all and then I bought this last expansion and I think that might be my last expansion to be honest. I just don't think I care anymore where the story's going because it's not going anywhere interesting and I think they should just dissolve the factions already it's clear that is what they want to do anyways.
Overpaid clueless lore designers and interns doing half of their jobs even worse. Soon they’ll start recruiting deserving developers and make good stories again once Trump ends this DEI madness, if Blizzard is still alive by then.
@theblackpinkguy1589 that is some batshit crazy stuff there man....nuts....the Q-aid got you bad bro, seek some help.
@@theblackpinkguy1589 it's crazy you think Trump is going to do anything of the sort, he will be to busy selling us out to Russia and letting Musk triple his net worth on the backs of regular people.
The fact you came here on a video about a videogames story to talk up your cult leader is hilarious.
It’s like a Latino to series now- vanilla truly is the best with its lowkeyness
So many people love to hate on shadowlands, but i thought it was great
So Tyranda has yet to face punishment but horde and alliance had to save her from the night warrior she chose to accept into her
I want my Sylvanas back, going for the truth and braking chains around Azeroth.
3rd Faction would have been nice, no matter horde nor alliance, just following her and the truth behind the curtains.
Sylvanas Soulrunner. If kids dont behave, she comes from under the bed and takes you to the maw.
She waits in the shadows to take your soul.
Wall of text incoming!!!
I want to fight the Legion again or even a new LK. Could come from the south pole this time.
But this time around, the enemy is almost successful to the point that most cities are beseiged or even taken.
We get sylvanas back to help push them back, but she's more of a side character and we follow a new character as old characters from the game get semi retired (they can fight but are mainly an advisory role) and both alliance and horde get their own hero new character.
Make it a couple of DLCs long, each city gets retaken as a strattholme sized dungeon and/or raid. We fight a corrupted race leader or we fight an undead boss and/or demon (like Mal'ganus/Legion for example) we slowly retake (and I mean slowly) retake the continents as Horde and Alliance and push South.
Sylvanas sent back as she knows this enemy.
DLC 2 could be a ICC2 but in the South or even DLC 3, have multiple new zones to fight in. No new races, but maybe have current races trying to hold out like we were.
Have our current LK fight the new one, get beaten, while we're fighting in some place that will help us fight back.
Have the world open to both factions and even have cross chat so we can play both sides of the story and to help feel like we're both desperately trying to fight back.
PVP - we could have someone like Tyrande for example wanting to claim a new world tree. Dwarves wanting to dig for gold/metals.
Horde on other hand could have someone like goblin leader wanting to cut it down and dig for gold and they can happily fight it out just like the area beneath Icecrown back in WotLK. Make it a fairly big zone so there's lots to do there. Build a base like in previous dlc (won't get attacked by players but will have to deal with npc attacks)
Make the zone resource rich (will interest players to visit)
Both sides condemn that war but both sides present on island don't care and continue.
NEW ICC2 is pure frozen island, not random jungle here and there. Make flying triangle (forgotten the names of these - ziggernaught?...was a raid in WotLK - Naxxaramas) have these to fight in/destroy/take over - Death Knights zone or act as base for both factions
Have multiple world bosses to fight - all undead/demon.
Sulvanas could help find way of fighting back in the maw, to which gets rewarded for helping and to fight back.
Have final boss like a huge battlefield where you fight the new LK. 25 man could be new LK and Demon combo
and arthas.
0:35 Ashe and Garen meet up
Oh Sylvanas am Ende hat sie sich selbst in ihrem Hass verloren ich bin traurig um ihre Reise 😔
Sylvanas Windrunner was literally the coolest character, next to the Lich King, and that garbage release destroyed them both. I can't forgive the writers who pushed for this storyline for that.
Illidan would like a word on the coolness scale. Dude comes back to life, destroys the legion, refuses to elaborate, leaves.
The scene with Tyrande on the edge of the cliff talking to Silvanas about Penitence would be Absolute Cinema if she had kicked Silvanas just like in the movie 300 ;)🤌🤌
I was thinking how funny it would've been if she did just throw her in 😂
they really couldn't let her stay away, jeez 😂
will she never return ever again and again.
>oh! A lore video!
>Sees Silvanus
>Leaves
I think if Sylvanas was given emotional care after becoming free, we'd have prevented everything. If the world was just a tad more emotionally intelligent.
Emotional care? Why?
@@cameronmcewen7192 if "free" refers to her becoming forsaken and becoming the queen of them, then yes : If she was not judged heavily by the alliance for becoming an undead and shouldering the fate of her people with all the responsibilities it meant, yeah, the story would have been different, but it is not the story of this world.
@@lysvaerd4480 she was possessed the whole time.
@@tomasl.8806 by jailer ?
I feel like you're a few years too late for this video.
Bring back my queen
and arthas.
In Christianity, a person needs not to work to pay back the evil they have done in their life. Jesus perfectly paid that price and a person simply needs to accept that the payment was made on their account. Then, because you are overcome with such joy and love, a person then does good works, not out of obligation but from a grateful heart. It breaks my heart to see a character such as Sylvanas, even though this is a fictional universe, to accept the role of penance which will never be 'good enough' to heal the ache of the past. This is true for us outside the Warcraft universe. Also, the hurt and pain Tyrande is facing will only be healed by forgiving Sylvanas. This is a huge task that requires help from God Almighty (Jesus Christ). If you want to seek healing, restoration, justification of your sins, and a relationship with Jesus, pray to Him and ask. Repent and believe.
Love ya'll! :)
Bring Sylvanas back so we can have the three windrunner sister vs xalatath
and arthas.
Still so sad for Sylvanas... Hope we get to see her again somehow.
and arthas.
A cutscene so bad, a high elf has normal human eyes.
They couldn't even be bothered to get that right
Anduin has his own Aragorn saga going on lol
It really bothers me that they gave Arthas' redemption story to Anduin. I am so glad I dipped out first week of BFA.
Dude the Shadowlands were so fucking weird. Like the narrative reached the frustrating conclusion of the esotericism they had been cultivating since the end of legion. Really frustrating they didn't just pivot into an old ones xpat after BFA which I think most people were expecting
Sylvanas gets a attempt at redemption for commiting terrible acts while she was in control of her own choices while Arthas is sent to some kind of hell for his actions taken while under the control of frostmourn.
She wasn't fully in control. We are told this, she had her soul split and the one that remained was the Banshee, as Arthas had made her (as punishment for her fighting him) and so he could use her in his war against the elves.
So she isn't fully in control. She also had killed herself at the end of ICC, and had gone to the shadowlands, and no point met the jailor. She was revived by a Valkerie, so it's likely she was being controlled by him, just like the jailor or at least influenced/corrupted by him.
Its terrible writing by blizzard and shits all over Sylvanas' fans.
Nah, just the writers at blizzard having trouble keeping the storyline of Sylvannas straight.
especially that bad writer and talentless hack and hacker steve danuser but he's gone now.
My first retail was Shadowland my 1st AOTC was Sylvanas. It was fun journey play at shadowland DF kill my mood play wow.
mmm I did all quests until I unlocked world quests in War Within. Is there more? I never saw that cinematic with Kadghar and Anduin.
You got more quests to complete then. Sounds like you might of just finished the intro quests. Did the fleet arrive yet?
@@seanhayes9056 Fleet arrived and I remember doing something for the flying riders, those that are powered with electricity. Maybe you're right
Who is the elve with anduin and Khadgar ? And why uther talk with Sylvanas ? " I've stop wow ".
6:24 come on anduin become the dominator of the azeroth SHADOWPRIEST ANDUIN!
:D
Lol Tyrande is just moon Illidan
All the Arthas references yet No Arthas, blizzard had to make him a Crafting reagent for bo reason.
blame that bad writer and talentless hack and hacker danuser he did this but he's gone now.
The spoiler in the end was worth it! (Yeah spoiler because I can't play tww until march...)
Arthas soul should have lingered instead of just fizzled out.
What the hell is up with Tyrande? Since when is she so pissy? It's been awhile since I've played retail, but the Tyrande I know was hopeful and kind.
wtf does sylvanas has to do with war within?
Why does Tyranda look like a troll elf hybrid ?
I hated how uthers cloak is blue and not like his warcraft 3 light blue color 😂
Bluther forgot how blue he used to be.
duuno but forever i was disgusted from tyrande and malfurion.. supposed they are the good ones and have more darkness in their souls from every villain that have pass.. and all this start some time ago even before illidans story.. i hate them..
Ya me too
Lost potential.
But Night elves are the source of corruption, just look at their very first queen.
In Warhammer, wood elves are not a „good“ faction, they are 50/50 shadow and light, just like nature is sometimes brutal. Apply that to the night elves… and it makes sense again.
Night elves are just not clever enough, because sticking to the old ways is the anti thesis to learn your way out of your misery.
Me three
Random question but..
What’s the ‘song’ used in the outro of this video lol?
Might be wrong but it sounds like Anduin's theme. :)
dont kill me in classic fresh anduinreal my nick
Okay, I haven't played in a loooooong time... So, Sylvanas is 'good' now?
I'm glad she's getting a redemption but like... Huh?
is anduins kid like 2 years old.. aww .. baby stormwind or whisperwind.. so romantic... is she out of prison .. did he take the toddler away? LOL
Sylvanas will return
and arthas.
@@patrikzotaj4528 I actually believe there is a possibility that he does. The sliver of anima (soul) that we saw of him in that cinematic was just that which was always trapped inside the mourneblade.
There is no reason to believe otherwise due to them never showing us. Yes Uther did say that was what remained was a remnant from the Maw but how does he know that for sure? He wasn't there, that is just his assumption.
Arthas's story is one of tragedy and I doubt they set out to just let his story end this way.
What has Uther been up to since? What has Sylvanas been up to since?
🤔🤔🤔
Shitty Blizzard writing damaged Sylvanas forever. She was a powerful female character, and they completely fumbled the ball with her development.
and arthas because of that bad writer and talentless hack and hacker steve danuser but he's gone now.
God get him off that damn wheel chair
Now that I think about, Khadgar being revived would have been so much better if he had looked at Andiun and said something like "Pelagos says 'hi'".
Mami!!! 👏🏻 👏🏻
They fumbled sylvanas so hard.
Why does this account post random montages of cutscenes so much
Views and money.
Should be obvious why
Sylvanas is the worst thing to happen to Warcraft.
Why are we here
Again blizzard
her eyes are wrong
So are this two dating now?
Sylvanas puts Anduing to his little brothers place in her mind. Not romantic.
I dont know about what Anduin sees Sylvanas as. Cool weird Aunt?
Arthas & Jaina❤😢
will danuser be blamed with him gone he's nothing but a bad writer talentless hack and hacker.
My poor Sylvanas, what did they do to your lore ffs.
They need to stop making arthas references with anduin 🙄
Garrosh did nothing wrong.
I loved ShadowLands, unlike many.
I wish they'd upgrade/repaint the game
with just a touch more reality.
WOW will always be my first-love MMO.
She simply failed to evolve.
*unlike most
I'm still waiting for Anduin and Sylvanas to kiss.
Same story different decade 😅
War within that dead were reposting old shit eh
What is this expansion again?
Shadowlands