Re people complaining about your bias: please, PLEASE remember that RUclips comments is the wellspring of bad takes. You are doing difficult work and doing it better than anyone else in this space. Do what you think is right, and those who see your value will be with you
i am of the opinion that there is a decline to visual novels, and its due to a growing amount of either abandoned games, or games clearly made to get out and make money with as little effort as possible. there are clearly great VN's out there, but so many imitations that look super similar because of shared assets and design muddying the water
I think you're right. On Steam there's a huge amount of shovelware AVN that promise a compelling story but only take 15 minutes to finish. I highly suggest following the curator "games with paid reviews" to weed out some of these.
I suspect that the biggest reason for the relative unpopularity of "DAZ games" is the huge size of them, as virtually all of them render complete individual scenes rather than the traditional relatively static scenes with image sprites for poses and expressions.
There's never just one reason, but number one is probably the render themselves, with their backgrounds and characters. They tend to be a bit uncanny for me and that's something huge for something so focused on the characters. I bet if you did a survey you'd get a lot of different answers though.
It's great you take criticism to reveal your blindspots. When haters complain about bias after you've explained your empiric process, you can take that as them venting about their own flavours being niche and them feeling marginalised. It says more about them than your own work, so don't take it to heart or give it more thought than it deserves.
I would enjoy hearing about a few more female protag games as well, but it doesn't have to be a huge focus. I'm interested in playing some, but mostly it's for gifting them to my wife's Steam account. But, if it was to be a more specific flavor request, it would be for yuri/lesbian games. She likes yaoi/bl games, but as a bi woman, she's more into yuri. And, to be honest, I find that the yuri games we've both tried thus far to be a bit underwhelming. Also, the largest problem we have both had with corruption games is that they usually involve NTR, which we both really do not like (no shame on others who do, however).
@@MrSnoopex Kindred Spirits on the Roof was indeed good. That was one of the first I recommended to her. But that was years ago at this point. Wish we had more of that quality coming out these days.
@SexPositiveGaming I know that between the payment processors, RUclips and social media apps it's like there's an anti-NSFW crusade happening right now.
@@SexPositiveGaming I WISH it was the wild West. I'd say we're starting to see shades of Orwell. The scariest thing to me is the payment processors. Inconsistent, ill-defined censorship has a huge chilling effect on an industry. There really needs to be a way to pay people that isn't subject to anyone's scrutiny (but remains traceable so it doesn't get lumped in with crypto).
I'm definitely suffering from "DAZ Fatigue". I'm old enough to remember when graphics and visuals like that looked fresh and advanced, but that's been decades ago. Plus, there are SO MANY games using those visual assets and models. When shopping for Adult Games on Steam, I tend to automatically ignore any game using DAZ graphics because no matter how good the story might be, I won't enjoy the visuals.
Yeah, honestly I got "DAZ Fatigue" by the second game I saw. The first one was super cool, I thought the characters looked nice, all good. Then by the second one I noticed it used all the same characters and went like "oh so those are just asset flips"
Screams of uncanny valley and low effort asset flip. It's not even fatigue, I have a hard time with these so-realistic-you-notice-any-wrong-detail-in-facial-expressions since the beginning. Even for more realistic models I cater towards the more stylised ones. It's sad because some of those are reputed to have great stories and characters, but I just can't. Plus bimbo dolls are really not my flavor of choice.
I wanted to make a suggestion: when you are displaying fragments of gameplay from different games please show viewrs the title of the game they are from somewhere in the corner of the vid. Sometimes I really enjoy the artstyle and/or a gameplay element and wonder where is this bit from. I know you cover em all in other vids here but there are a lot of them and its hard to keep em all memorized.
My idea of a good female protagonist game is pretty much the corruption games without the forced bits. A shy girl / girl from a sheltered background goes into the world, learns about stuff and has fun doing it. :) The best current example is Summer in the City, though I swear I've seen a few before. :) Bright Past is also a decent example, though with a bit more forced interactions that I'm really comfortable with.
Love the discussion. Can you please put an overlay to label the game on the screen. It would be nice to check out some of these games but I don't know what they are 😥
@@SexPositiveGaming Ok, I re-read the description a few times and I didn't realize that's what you meant when you said "All links can be found here". I thought that was for socials. Thank you!
I'm all for the data driven method, although it is fun to have you also mention the stuff that hits with you, your favorite maps, etc... RE the lady games, I'm a guy, but I'd like to have good equivalent games to recommend to the ladies, esp considering that here in the US ladies game just as much as us guys, but the adult space doesn't reflect that. Perhaps instead of running a full "best lady game" section, make that an "honorable mention" since there isn't enough competition in that space yet.
I do try to do that with the "My Favorite Game" part of Game of the Year, but I do see how there may be room for more subjective, lighthearted, picks in the future.
I'm not sure what people are wanting when they ask you to list female protagonist games, it's not something I've asked for personally. But if you were to list them what I'd like to see is a list of female protagonists who you find the most inspiring, well developed, interesting or well written regardless of if it's corruption or not.
The problem with the gaming genre is hetero male focused developers and selling to them since it's the primary market. Female protags just serve to be degraded to them.
I look forward, even if it's with a little trepidation on the videos you make on what flavors mean. It's something I've thought a lot about since watching your channel.
Hello everyone. It's just my opinion, but i think renpy games with DAZ models are just the rpgmaker ones of our time. Think about it : rpgmaker was developped in 1992 and is still a great tool for starting indie creators who don't really know a thing about coding. These games went viral because everyone who played a jrpg wanted to take a shot at making its own, including adult ones. Some of my all-time favorites like Overwhored, Renryuu Ascension or The Last Sovereign were made with a slightly modified rpgmaker engine... but now there is so much half-baked or abandonned stuff lying around even on Steam that you can easily miss great gems like Tunnel Escape or Beyond the Portal (discovered thanks to you by the way). DAZ games seems to be in the same category : you see so much shovelware or cash-grab games using them that you can easily miss those imbued with creativity, like Peasant Quest or Vae Victis-Khan. I don't really like DAZ models because they look too smooth and dolls-y for my taste... and maybe the fact that i'm not really a fan of visual novel-type games (again probably because i read too much stuff by day as a french bookshopper, hon-hon) but to each their own ! Sorry for the long post, but a last word. I would suggest all of you to take a look at The Last Sovereign. An rpgmaker game in development since 2015 with an incredible story, stunning worldbuilding, massive splittings in choices and consequences, great smutty scenes for most palates and at least 50h of gameplay worth your time. It's free on steam but you can give a tip to the female developper if you want. The game is almost finished and it's the true definition of a labor of love. As always i wish you all a good day.
Annie you should promote your patreon more. I been following the channel for like 2 years now and today I know that there is a free membership to see the videos with less censorship
That’s interesting about the ”female protagonist”=corruption, because I love corruption, but while I like female leads, it’s not my favourite. I get the feeling that in those games you talk about is where the MC gets corrupted too, and that’s not my flavour at all. I want to play as the corruptor. Is that considered another genre and flavour entirely, maybe? They’re not seldomly like trainer games, after all.
@@SexPositiveGaming Yeah, I am not as well-informed on the topic as you (obviously, that's why I come here!), but that is what it looks like to me too. Just as well - how many video games does one person have time to play, after all?
I love this channel, but I'm one of the (few? Many?) adult gamers who literally ONLY play games with female protagonists. To me personally it's MORE important by far than any flavour or theme. I'd rather play a female protag game with a theme i'm lukewarm about than any male protag game with a theme that I really enjoy. Although Yuri games don't tend to show up too much, I'd love there to be a Top Female Protag game in your rankings... because being completely honest, whilst I watch your channel a lot for the entertainment and general chill-but-informative vibe, as soon as I find out a game you're talking about is male protag only I'll generally mentally flag that game as "ignore". Even if there isnt a category of award specifically, I'd really love some kind of clear flag or section for when a game is either female protag or allows character creation and a choice.
@@SexPositiveGaming Yep! In general you do always mention that in the intro for any game you discuss. Perhaps a very minor suggestion might be to add an (F) or similar after the name of the title in the youtube chapter names, in situations where you've got a video with one-segment-per-game. Though I can see that might open up a can of worms for people wanting all sorts of different tags there! :D
okay, lots of stuff to say here. first off. please keep doing data driven lists. I love them. second, your dad is awesome. I love beauty and the beast, and he gave me a new perspective on it. third, I do want a female protag game that isn't corruption focused, but this come's with a new question, where are yuri games in this discussion? do women play these games too, or are they even aimed at women? they're never talked about here. have they totally faded into obscurity?
I can’t quite pinpoint my exact thoughts on AVNs these days. So many of them feel repetitive, and I often get a sense of deja vu when I try to play or read them. Maybe it’s just burnout on my part-that’s happened to me before with the fantasy genre in my novel reading as well. Recently, I’ve been reading a lot of historical fiction with female protagonists. Stories about female spies during World War II are especially intriguing to me right now. When it comes to AVNs, though, I have no interest in playing as a female protagonist. In an AVN, I want to feel like I have something in common with the protagonist. Maybe others are feeling the same way about male protagonists and that's why they ask for your suggestions. I’m also tired of the chapter-release format that’s so common in AVNs. Supporting a game for months on end while waiting for the next release-and in many cases, that release never coming-has become frustrating. It all starts to feel like a cash grab. I call it the “Patreon effect,” where developers drag out a story that should have been finished several releases earlier just to keep getting paid, instead of moving on to create something new. Or worse the dreaded several chapters into a novel and the dev decides that right now is the time to go back and redo all their previous renders without continuing the story line until all those are completed.
In December, i decided that i wanted to make a visual novel game, most likely won't use patreon or the f95zone as i want to make a complete product first, so hope to make great progress this year
Brave. Making a VN is hard and I find the constant encouragement from the community rejuvenating. There is something to be said though for making a complete game before releasing. Probably something this space really needs: more complete games.
@deepglugs4247 ya, kinda tired of incomplete games or games that get a patreon, then get 1-5 updates then abandoned didn't look good in my eyes, I have 2 story's in mind I want to make, but I'm gonna do the easier one to ease myself the genre. Plus, with me and college, I don't want to use patreon as I don't believe I can't make consistent updates, so I don't want to burden myself as well as others. Plus, I don't like the split communications of platforms where one gets more than the other. I want to finish at my own pace
As far as VN games go, I just need to be in the right mood to play them. For now, I'm in the mood for turn based tactical games. Adult Games? I just finished Winter Memories, the game was FUN.
in regards to the singer charecter you see in a lot of other games, a lot of devs use it as a kind of running joke/universe sharing to. like Lexi (thats her name) is also good friends with a main charecter in Artemis, and the player charecter is the same male model, so they joke about how they stole the others boyfriend
@SexPositiveGaming kinda yeah, there's also some fun bits in My bully is my lover and chasing sunsets (I think) about how there's this new VR game that will revolutionize the very way people can play games, called eternum
If violent games make world less violent than sexual games make world less... sexual? Given our demographic situation i developed countries I can see a problem with this but I doubt that it rally works like that.
Not quite. Giving people safe and healthy outlets for aggression is good for overall mental health and reduces violent crime. Similarly giving people safe and healthy outlets to explore sex and sexuality is good for overall mental health and reduces sexual crimes. Aggression and desire are innate aspects of the human condition, so providing safe and healthy outlets for them is generally a good thing. There is still a lot to say about what form those outlets should take and what exactly "safe and healthy" means, but it is increasingly clear that the whole "suppress and shame" methodology that has existed since (at least) the iron age makes the world a worse place.
For female protagonists I would like to see more with the options for lesbian relationships. I know its less than regular male protagonists but it would be great to see games like Summer in the City, Actual Roommates, Erica's Summer, LIP Lewd Idol series, Emy Live Show series, or Casual Desires (From Rebel Duet's dev) here. . This is a niche with a decent amount of content it can just be hard scouring Itch and Steam for it. And it doesn't have to be fully lesbian relationships, knowing games where the female protag can be Bi is great too or like Rebel Duet where the MC is gender selectable.
This is just my opinion, but I think the reason DAZ games could be on the decline is simply because the models look so dated. Even when I played my first DAZ game like 6 or so years ago I thought the models looked pretty bad. NLT media has somehow managed to make them look servicable, but with their latest ongoing game Symphony of Serpents, I have to say I'm largely unimpressed.
One category I feel gets neglected (and censored) is feminisation games, Most of the games we get either get abandoned or they keep on developing it without end. What I wish for is a game similar to Star Knightess Aura (particularly the way it handles the mental changes where you get to choose what your character gets corrupted by) but it’s a Feminisation Corruption game where warrior is cursed by a demon who slowly corrupts the mind of the MC and feminises him into a woman and corrupts him so the MC you have to stop the demon before they succeed.
I see titles like this and can't help but sing, "Let's all laugh at a game industry who can't learn anything hehehe." Really sad how much old folks are attacking the adult industry between film and games. But the games really need to innovate more too. The same old blender models and VNs aren't going to last.
I think we can learn. Especially if we started holding the people in charge of making video games accountable. I see so much anger and blame thrown around about the state of gaming, but I've yet to see one CEO in the gaming industry actually held accountable. Until then: expect things to continue to worsen as we all watch in impotent outrage.
@@SexPositiveGaming What does the patch do there? I can only imagine, that the game is released sfw and there is a mod that just happens to perfectly integrate and adds the nsfw content in, utilizing some unused files from the original game. But I have no idea what a patch would do as the game would already be banned at that point?
Nowadays, for me to play a daz character game it has to really really stand out. Most of them just have to much of the same "vibe" and feel to it for me to feel like it is a new experience.
I know you tend not to cover 0tome games (I don't even know if there are adult 0tome games), but I know they have a huge female audience and wonder if there is a parallel with that space. That when you ask for a Made For Female flavor, what your asking for is an adult 0tome game. Personally, I do not like corruption on my protagonist (female or otherwise), and tend to engage more with the "living another life" aspect of these sorts of games
There are a few more explicit otome games, but I hope to see more in the future. It is funny, because Eroge and Otome used to be the same thing and split apart a long time ago. I talk about this in my trainer series.
I didnt ask for it, but what comes to fem prot, I would just prefer fem prot award, not games for women. Tho if it's the same as top corruption I guess it doesnt need to have own category. What comes to adult games I always prefer playing fem prot, I still wish we would get more games what skyrim mods did to skyrim. Integrate stuff into combat, captures, erp etc.
Beside the dev 😐, what do you think of yandere simulator as a concept proof, how do you feel this relate to the type of game you cover, as in what elements they could benefit from it?
If Yaoi is literally the only flavor popular among women, then I feel like there is a gap in the market space. Esp considering I don't remember seeing a single Yaoi game that's not a VN VNs are cool and all but there gotta be some women that likes a bit of gameplay in their adult game right?
So, Western developers still haven't cracked the code for female players? They could just copy Korean/Chinese/Japanese video games made for female players. For example, the gacha game Love and Deepspace is making a lot of money.
@SexPositiveGaming I meant that if they tried hard enough, they could acquire a female demographic without resorting to gacha. Perhaps it's due to my ignorance, but I rarely (well, there *are* games for little girls and young teenage girls) see female-oriented games or games solely made for female gamers by Western developers. It's almost always either for male players or for both genders. I've only seen Eastern developers create games solely for their female audience, like otome games.
@@SexPositiveGaming i wonder could you do a free patreon version uncensor and on yt use code ,name for exemple the flavore starting by c could become the C life change or somethink
Honestly I really don't like those DAZ 3D model visual novels. They always look so cheap, & I don't think I've ever found the characters attractive in them. They're too plastic......& I've never wanted to bone a Barbie or Ken doll. It doesn't have to be anime, but the 2D art varieties of visual novel I'm all over. But I just can't get past how cheap & overall unappealing the 3D model variants are. If the writing in these games really are as good as people say, then in all honesty I think they'd be better as purely text based games. I have played some of those, like Corruption Of Champions that I have lost hours to.
I think now you would have to do a Disney themed episode, and it would need to include Disney villain song with smth like BG3 made with Raphael. Sex Positive Gaming bringer of bad news song: "Censoooooors! All Censors rules, expire. RUclips, RUclips, has its laws...." and so on. ruclips.net/video/Bk2AqXsJsWU/видео.htmlsi=Sy3JIPd-nZ5zlW35
17:44 That has always surprised me about modern society There are people who can distinguish between what is real and what is fake? And they are not in psychiatric hospitals? How do these people function in daily life? 💀
Keep in mind every other religion aside from yours would fall into that category. Or every religion of all of them if you're not religious. That's billions of people who for the most part function fine in everyday life and yet believe in something fake.
Huh. Didn't know models were used in multiple VNs that way. Shouldn't be surprised though, considering other more egregious examples ... RPGM music being the same all over the place ... Don't even get me started on real porn games.
@@SexPositiveGaming if it's not a main character, and done legally, then I'll give it a pass. I doubt anyone is licensing Elsa Jean's likeness in their games, though.
I'm not a woman, but when people referred to wanting female protagonist games(that aren't corruption), do you think that they basically want an otome game with actual sex? Perhaps skewed a little bit more towards romance but doesn't have to be, or at the very least, she's the one initiating the sex.
I can't think of why people hate... I forget his name. Out of the episodes I've seen, he's said nothing that made me go "GASP, HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE EMBODIMENT OF HUMAN SCUM!"
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I love your channel and your take on adult gaming. No shaming, just gaming.
Thank you!
Re people complaining about your bias: please, PLEASE remember that RUclips comments is the wellspring of bad takes. You are doing difficult work and doing it better than anyone else in this space. Do what you think is right, and those who see your value will be with you
Thanks!
'People are always accusing me of personal bias'
I'm so happy you're a science channel now >_
Jokes aside, I'd probably be less bewildered if the accusations didn't tend to collectively say that I am both pro and con on a subject.
i am of the opinion that there is a decline to visual novels, and its due to a growing amount of either abandoned games, or games clearly made to get out and make money with as little effort as possible. there are clearly great VN's out there, but so many imitations that look super similar because of shared assets and design muddying the water
Good point!
I think you're right. On Steam there's a huge amount of shovelware AVN that promise a compelling story but only take 15 minutes to finish. I highly suggest following the curator "games with paid reviews" to weed out some of these.
So oversaturation and underwhelming quality?
I suppose finding Curators who cultivate lists with devs who finish games would be helpful.
@ That's a good point, though there aren't many devs with finished games under their belt. And from those with finished games, many just aren't good.
@Quetzalicious I have a few, but they probably fall under the latter classification haha.
I suspect that the biggest reason for the relative unpopularity of "DAZ games" is the huge size of them, as virtually all of them render complete individual scenes rather than the traditional relatively static scenes with image sprites for poses and expressions.
I hadn't considered that. I can see how it would be a bigger issue with android gamers.
There's never just one reason, but number one is probably the render themselves, with their backgrounds and characters. They tend to be a bit uncanny for me and that's something huge for something so focused on the characters. I bet if you did a survey you'd get a lot of different answers though.
It's great you take criticism to reveal your blindspots. When haters complain about bias after you've explained your empiric process, you can take that as them venting about their own flavours being niche and them feeling marginalised. It says more about them than your own work, so don't take it to heart or give it more thought than it deserves.
Thanks!
I would enjoy hearing about a few more female protag games as well, but it doesn't have to be a huge focus. I'm interested in playing some, but mostly it's for gifting them to my wife's Steam account. But, if it was to be a more specific flavor request, it would be for yuri/lesbian games. She likes yaoi/bl games, but as a bi woman, she's more into yuri. And, to be honest, I find that the yuri games we've both tried thus far to be a bit underwhelming. Also, the largest problem we have both had with corruption games is that they usually involve NTR, which we both really do not like (no shame on others who do, however).
Yaoi has a pretty big presence, but Yuri has very little presence outside of Otome games so far.
Might I recommend... The Gorgon Trilogy: Tragedy of Medusa, Euryale's Gambit and Athena's Revenge.
There are neat japanese games like the Flowers saga by Innocent Grey and Kindred Spirits on the Roof
@@MrSnoopex Kindred Spirits on the Roof was indeed good. That was one of the first I recommended to her. But that was years ago at this point. Wish we had more of that quality coming out these days.
I hope your channel does super well in 2025, I love the videos!
Thank you!
I really hope NSFW creators catch a break in these upcoming years but I won't hold my breath given the circumstances.
It is like the wild west, but I hope things settle down eventually.
@SexPositiveGaming I know that between the payment processors, RUclips and social media apps it's like there's an anti-NSFW crusade happening right now.
@@SexPositiveGaming I WISH it was the wild West. I'd say we're starting to see shades of Orwell.
The scariest thing to me is the payment processors. Inconsistent, ill-defined censorship has a huge chilling effect on an industry. There really needs to be a way to pay people that isn't subject to anyone's scrutiny (but remains traceable so it doesn't get lumped in with crypto).
First! I have high hope for 2025!!! Thanks for your hard work in 2024! I am glad you are still on youtube without big issues.
Thanks! 2025 is going to be awesome!
I'm definitely suffering from "DAZ Fatigue". I'm old enough to remember when graphics and visuals like that looked fresh and advanced, but that's been decades ago. Plus, there are SO MANY games using those visual assets and models. When shopping for Adult Games on Steam, I tend to automatically ignore any game using DAZ graphics because no matter how good the story might be, I won't enjoy the visuals.
Thanks for sharing! It is unfortunate, because the new version of Daz looks amazing, but few developers are using it.
Yeah, honestly I got "DAZ Fatigue" by the second game I saw. The first one was super cool, I thought the characters looked nice, all good. Then by the second one I noticed it used all the same characters and went like "oh so those are just asset flips"
Screams of uncanny valley and low effort asset flip. It's not even fatigue, I have a hard time with these so-realistic-you-notice-any-wrong-detail-in-facial-expressions since the beginning. Even for more realistic models I cater towards the more stylised ones. It's sad because some of those are reputed to have great stories and characters, but I just can't. Plus bimbo dolls are really not my flavor of choice.
I think Patreon become oversaturated with new games. A lot will end up abandoned because there just isn't enough support to go around.
I hope not!
Happy New Year! Keep up the good work! I'm looking forward to seeing what you will produce in 2025.
Thanks! Hopefully you'll like the next podcast!
I wanted to make a suggestion: when you are displaying fragments of gameplay from different games please show viewrs the title of the game they are from somewhere in the corner of the vid. Sometimes I really enjoy the artstyle and/or a gameplay element and wonder where is this bit from. I know you cover em all in other vids here but there are a lot of them and its hard to keep em all memorized.
I appreciate the suggestion!
My idea of a good female protagonist game is pretty much the corruption games without the forced bits. A shy girl / girl from a sheltered background goes into the world, learns about stuff and has fun doing it. :) The best current example is Summer in the City, though I swear I've seen a few before. :) Bright Past is also a decent example, though with a bit more forced interactions that I'm really comfortable with.
Thanks for sharing!
Love the discussion. Can you please put an overlay to label the game on the screen. It would be nice to check out some of these games but I don't know what they are 😥
I link to every game if you are interested.
@@SexPositiveGaming Ok, I re-read the description a few times and I didn't realize that's what you meant when you said "All links can be found here". I thought that was for socials. Thank you!
I'm all for the data driven method, although it is fun to have you also mention the stuff that hits with you, your favorite maps, etc... RE the lady games, I'm a guy, but I'd like to have good equivalent games to recommend to the ladies, esp considering that here in the US ladies game just as much as us guys, but the adult space doesn't reflect that. Perhaps instead of running a full "best lady game" section, make that an "honorable mention" since there isn't enough competition in that space yet.
I do try to do that with the "My Favorite Game" part of Game of the Year, but I do see how there may be room for more subjective, lighthearted, picks in the future.
I'm not sure what people are wanting when they ask you to list female protagonist games, it's not something I've asked for personally. But if you were to list them what I'd like to see is a list of female protagonists who you find the most inspiring, well developed, interesting or well written regardless of if it's corruption or not.
Go read a book?
That may not be reflected by what's "most popular." If I just go by the data, then it is almost all corruption themed games.
@@SexPositiveGamingso go with your heart!
We value your opinions just as much if not more than the data.
The problem with the gaming genre is hetero male focused developers and selling to them since it's the primary market. Female protags just serve to be degraded to them.
@@SexPositiveGaming your data might be wrong, especially since it sounds like you focus almost entirely on steam, nu carnival and LADS are huge
I look forward, even if it's with a little trepidation on the videos you make on what flavors mean. It's something I've thought a lot about since watching your channel.
Thanks!
Thank you for your work!
Thank you for watching!
i like to think that the chinese trend is due to how popular games from companies like mihoyo have become
The growth of the Chinese game industry has definitely played a part.
Hello everyone.
It's just my opinion, but i think renpy games with DAZ models are just the rpgmaker ones of our time.
Think about it : rpgmaker was developped in 1992 and is still a great tool for starting indie creators who don't really know a thing about coding. These games went viral because everyone who played a jrpg wanted to take a shot at making its own, including adult ones. Some of my all-time favorites like Overwhored, Renryuu Ascension or The Last Sovereign were made with a slightly modified rpgmaker engine... but now there is so much half-baked or abandonned stuff lying around even on Steam that you can easily miss great gems like Tunnel Escape or Beyond the Portal (discovered thanks to you by the way).
DAZ games seems to be in the same category : you see so much shovelware or cash-grab games using them that you can easily miss those imbued with creativity, like Peasant Quest or Vae Victis-Khan.
I don't really like DAZ models because they look too smooth and dolls-y for my taste... and maybe the fact that i'm not really a fan of visual novel-type games (again probably because i read too much stuff by day as a french bookshopper, hon-hon) but to each their own !
Sorry for the long post, but a last word.
I would suggest all of you to take a look at The Last Sovereign. An rpgmaker game in development since 2015 with an incredible story, stunning worldbuilding, massive splittings in choices and consequences, great smutty scenes for most palates and at least 50h of gameplay worth your time. It's free on steam but you can give a tip to the female developper if you want. The game is almost finished and it's the true definition of a labor of love.
As always i wish you all a good day.
Thanks for sharing!
I'm surprised RDR2 got copyrighted since there's basically millions of hours of gameplay about it.
Yeah it was really weird.
Annie you should promote your patreon more. I been following the channel for like 2 years now and today I know that there is a free membership to see the videos with less censorship
The videos are the same, but the comments are much more "open" than what RUclips allows.
That’s interesting about the ”female protagonist”=corruption, because I love corruption, but while I like female leads, it’s not my favourite.
I get the feeling that in those games you talk about is where the MC gets corrupted too, and that’s not my flavour at all. I want to play as the corruptor.
Is that considered another genre and flavour entirely, maybe? They’re not seldomly like trainer games, after all.
Outside of trainers they are kind of rare.
@@SexPositiveGaming Yeah, I am not as well-informed on the topic as you (obviously, that's why I come here!), but that is what it looks like to me too.
Just as well - how many video games does one person have time to play, after all?
Keep up the great work. I use your recommendations to look into the next game I will buy. Got to sift through the 3000 new games. Thank you!!!!
My pleasure and have fun!
I love this channel, but I'm one of the (few? Many?) adult gamers who literally ONLY play games with female protagonists. To me personally it's MORE important by far than any flavour or theme. I'd rather play a female protag game with a theme i'm lukewarm about than any male protag game with a theme that I really enjoy. Although Yuri games don't tend to show up too much, I'd love there to be a Top Female Protag game in your rankings... because being completely honest, whilst I watch your channel a lot for the entertainment and general chill-but-informative vibe, as soon as I find out a game you're talking about is male protag only I'll generally mentally flag that game as "ignore". Even if there isnt a category of award specifically, I'd really love some kind of clear flag or section for when a game is either female protag or allows character creation and a choice.
Thanks for sharing. I do try to talk about that, even if it sometimes me showing in the video as opposed to telling.
@@SexPositiveGaming Yep! In general you do always mention that in the intro for any game you discuss. Perhaps a very minor suggestion might be to add an (F) or similar after the name of the title in the youtube chapter names, in situations where you've got a video with one-segment-per-game. Though I can see that might open up a can of worms for people wanting all sorts of different tags there! :D
I'd love to hear more about flavours
I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Hopefully you'll like the one I do later this month.
okay, lots of stuff to say here. first off. please keep doing data driven lists. I love them. second, your dad is awesome. I love beauty and the beast, and he gave me a new perspective on it. third, I do want a female protag game that isn't corruption focused, but this come's with a new question, where are yuri games in this discussion? do women play these games too, or are they even aimed at women? they're never talked about here. have they totally faded into obscurity?
There are lots of Yuri games. Just not many explicit Yuri games. I'll probably do a followup video exploring the nature of games for women this year.
I can’t quite pinpoint my exact thoughts on AVNs these days. So many of them feel repetitive, and I often get a sense of deja vu when I try to play or read them. Maybe it’s just burnout on my part-that’s happened to me before with the fantasy genre in my novel reading as well. Recently, I’ve been reading a lot of historical fiction with female protagonists. Stories about female spies during World War II are especially intriguing to me right now.
When it comes to AVNs, though, I have no interest in playing as a female protagonist. In an AVN, I want to feel like I have something in common with the protagonist. Maybe others are feeling the same way about male protagonists and that's why they ask for your suggestions. I’m also tired of the chapter-release format that’s so common in AVNs. Supporting a game for months on end while waiting for the next release-and in many cases, that release never coming-has become frustrating. It all starts to feel like a cash grab. I call it the “Patreon effect,” where developers drag out a story that should have been finished several releases earlier just to keep getting paid, instead of moving on to create something new. Or worse the dreaded several chapters into a novel and the dev decides that right now is the time to go back and redo all their previous renders without continuing the story line until all those are completed.
Thanks for sharing!
In December, i decided that i wanted to make a visual novel game, most likely won't use patreon or the f95zone as i want to make a complete product first, so hope to make great progress this year
Good luck with your game!
Brave. Making a VN is hard and I find the constant encouragement from the community rejuvenating. There is something to be said though for making a complete game before releasing. Probably something this space really needs: more complete games.
@deepglugs4247 ya, kinda tired of incomplete games or games that get a patreon, then get 1-5 updates then abandoned didn't look good in my eyes, I have 2 story's in mind I want to make, but I'm gonna do the easier one to ease myself the genre. Plus, with me and college, I don't want to use patreon as I don't believe I can't make consistent updates, so I don't want to burden myself as well as others. Plus, I don't like the split communications of platforms where one gets more than the other. I want to finish at my own pace
As far as VN games go, I just need to be in the right mood to play them.
For now, I'm in the mood for turn based tactical games.
Adult Games? I just finished Winter Memories, the game was FUN.
Glad you liked it!
in regards to the singer charecter you see in a lot of other games, a lot of devs use it as a kind of running joke/universe sharing to. like Lexi (thats her name) is also good friends with a main charecter in Artemis, and the player charecter is the same male model, so they joke about how they stole the others boyfriend
So it is a cinematic universe!
@SexPositiveGaming kinda yeah, there's also some fun bits in My bully is my lover and chasing sunsets (I think) about how there's this new VR game that will revolutionize the very way people can play games, called eternum
If violent games make world less violent than sexual games make world less... sexual? Given our demographic situation i developed countries I can see a problem with this but I doubt that it rally works like that.
Not quite. Giving people safe and healthy outlets for aggression is good for overall mental health and reduces violent crime. Similarly giving people safe and healthy outlets to explore sex and sexuality is good for overall mental health and reduces sexual crimes. Aggression and desire are innate aspects of the human condition, so providing safe and healthy outlets for them is generally a good thing.
There is still a lot to say about what form those outlets should take and what exactly "safe and healthy" means, but it is increasingly clear that the whole "suppress and shame" methodology that has existed since (at least) the iron age makes the world a worse place.
do u have patreon code for sunbreed?🙂
It is made by SuperWriter on Patreon.
For female protagonists I would like to see more with the options for lesbian relationships. I know its less than regular male protagonists but it would be great to see games like Summer in the City, Actual Roommates, Erica's Summer, LIP Lewd Idol series, Emy Live Show series, or Casual Desires (From Rebel Duet's dev) here. . This is a niche with a decent amount of content it can just be hard scouring Itch and Steam for it. And it doesn't have to be fully lesbian relationships, knowing games where the female protag can be Bi is great too or like Rebel Duet where the MC is gender selectable.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for listing games you like in this genre! 😍😘
12:34 what game is this?
Symphony of the Serpent
Someone needs to make a Mario farming and strategy game to corner the Annie market!
Harvest Moon X Mario X Fire Emblem
Awesome podcast
Thanks!
Thanks again!!! ;p
My pleasure!
This is just my opinion, but I think the reason DAZ games could be on the decline is simply because the models look so dated. Even when I played my first DAZ game like 6 or so years ago I thought the models looked pretty bad. NLT media has somehow managed to make them look servicable, but with their latest ongoing game Symphony of Serpents, I have to say I'm largely unimpressed.
Thanks for sharing!
One category I feel gets neglected (and censored) is feminisation games, Most of the games we get either get abandoned or they keep on developing it without end. What I wish for is a game similar to Star Knightess Aura (particularly the way it handles the mental changes where you get to choose what your character gets corrupted by) but it’s a Feminisation Corruption game where warrior is cursed by a demon who slowly corrupts the mind of the MC and feminises him into a woman and corrupts him so the MC you have to stop the demon before they succeed.
I see that group of flavors in text based games, but I think transformation games (of any type) are more difficult to show in other mediums.
I see titles like this and can't help but sing, "Let's all laugh at a game industry who can't learn anything hehehe."
Really sad how much old folks are attacking the adult industry between film and games. But the games really need to innovate more too. The same old blender models and VNs aren't going to last.
I think we can learn. Especially if we started holding the people in charge of making video games accountable. I see so much anger and blame thrown around about the state of gaming, but I've yet to see one CEO in the gaming industry actually held accountable. Until then: expect things to continue to worsen as we all watch in impotent outrage.
You have to have a patch for anime style adult steam games? What is that about?
They are, by far, the style of game most banned by Steam.
@@SexPositiveGaming What does the patch do there? I can only imagine, that the game is released sfw and there is a mod that just happens to perfectly integrate and adds the nsfw content in, utilizing some unused files from the original game. But I have no idea what a patch would do as the game would already be banned at that point?
Nowadays, for me to play a daz character game it has to really really stand out. Most of them just have to much of the same "vibe" and feel to it for me to feel like it is a new experience.
Thanks for sharing!
I certainly think there should be more options than yaoi for the female market
Absolutely!
I know you tend not to cover 0tome games (I don't even know if there are adult 0tome games), but I know they have a huge female audience and wonder if there is a parallel with that space. That when you ask for a Made For Female flavor, what your asking for is an adult 0tome game.
Personally, I do not like corruption on my protagonist (female or otherwise), and tend to engage more with the "living another life" aspect of these sorts of games
There are a few more explicit otome games, but I hope to see more in the future. It is funny, because Eroge and Otome used to be the same thing and split apart a long time ago. I talk about this in my trainer series.
I didnt ask for it, but what comes to fem prot, I would just prefer fem prot award, not games for women. Tho if it's the same as top corruption I guess it doesnt need to have own category. What comes to adult games I always prefer playing fem prot, I still wish we would get more games what skyrim mods did to skyrim. Integrate stuff into combat, captures, erp etc.
Thanks for sharing!
Beside the dev 😐, what do you think of yandere simulator as a concept proof, how do you feel this relate to the type of game you cover, as in what elements they could benefit from it?
I think that there is a ton of room for more Open World games that focus on relationships.
I've never found myself enjoying Daz games, just doesn't do it for me.
Thanks for sharing!
I don't feel like there's enough male protag nonfemdom nonntr nonshota sandbox games, they feel rather scarce.
It is great that you know what you enjoy!
If Yaoi is literally the only flavor popular among women, then I feel like there is a gap in the market space.
Esp considering I don't remember seeing a single Yaoi game that's not a VN
VNs are cool and all but there gotta be some women that likes a bit of gameplay in their adult game right?
There is absolutely room for growth in this market!
So, Western developers still haven't cracked the code for female players?
They could just copy Korean/Chinese/Japanese video games made for female players.
For example, the gacha game Love and Deepspace is making a lot of money.
Gacha games seem to always make a lot of money.
@SexPositiveGaming I meant that if they tried hard enough, they could acquire a female demographic without resorting to gacha.
Perhaps it's due to my ignorance, but I rarely (well, there *are* games for little girls and young teenage girls) see female-oriented games or games solely made for female gamers by Western developers.
It's almost always either for male players or for both genders.
I've only seen Eastern developers create games solely for their female audience, like otome games.
start watch the video want to know the flavor trend watc until the end and sadly not as much info about flavor trend that i want
I am going to have to get much more clever in how I make my videos if I want to be allowed by RUclips to talk more in-depth about flavors.
@@SexPositiveGaming i wonder could you do a free patreon version uncensor and on yt use code ,name for exemple the flavore starting by c could become the C life change or somethink
New here, so please pardon what is almost certainly a gross display of ignorance, but what was the game with the catgirl running around ancient Egypt?
Carnal Instinct
Honestly I really don't like those DAZ 3D model visual novels.
They always look so cheap, & I don't think I've ever found the characters attractive in them.
They're too plastic......& I've never wanted to bone a Barbie or Ken doll.
It doesn't have to be anime, but the 2D art varieties of visual novel I'm all over.
But I just can't get past how cheap & overall unappealing the 3D model variants are.
If the writing in these games really are as good as people say, then in all honesty I think they'd be better as purely text based games.
I have played some of those, like Corruption Of Champions that I have lost hours to.
Hey! What's wrong with Barbie?
I think now you would have to do a Disney themed episode, and it would need to include Disney villain song with smth like BG3 made with Raphael. Sex Positive Gaming bringer of bad news song: "Censoooooors! All Censors rules, expire. RUclips, RUclips, has its laws...." and so on. ruclips.net/video/Bk2AqXsJsWU/видео.htmlsi=Sy3JIPd-nZ5zlW35
I've only ever sung on one video.
17:44 That has always surprised me about modern society
There are people who can distinguish between what is real and what is fake?
And they are not in psychiatric hospitals?
How do these people function in daily life? 💀
Keep in mind every other religion aside from yours would fall into that category. Or every religion of all of them if you're not religious. That's billions of people who for the most part function fine in everyday life and yet believe in something fake.
Life is hard.
Huh. Didn't know models were used in multiple VNs that way. Shouldn't be surprised though, considering other more egregious examples ...
RPGM music being the same all over the place ...
Don't even get me started on real porn games.
I think it is expected given how innovation and imitation are inexorably intertwined.
@@SexPositiveGaming if it's not a main character, and done legally, then I'll give it a pass.
I doubt anyone is licensing Elsa Jean's likeness in their games, though.
On the topic of Disney, here is a question for the commenters:
Who is the hottest Disney princess?
I am partial to Belle or Rapunzel.
Belle without question.
definitely Belle
Anakin Skywalker on Mustafar.
Belle, Rapunzel, Ariel, and Elsa, in this order from hottest to less hot
Whoooo! New video!
Have fun!
Love ur channel for giving us some underrated adult games. 🫰😂
Thank you!
I'm not a woman, but when people referred to wanting female protagonist games(that aren't corruption), do you think that they basically want an otome game with actual sex? Perhaps skewed a little bit more towards romance but doesn't have to be, or at the very least, she's the one initiating the sex.
That could be the case. I think that something as broad as "female protagonist" is going to mean very different things to different people.
I can't think of why people hate... I forget his name. Out of the episodes I've seen, he's said nothing that made me go "GASP, HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE THE EMBODIMENT OF HUMAN SCUM!"
I'll have to make him try harder then!