I agree. Growing up in NY state, I learned to drive in snow. You can’t drive as you normally would on dry roads. I saw too much normal acceleration which doesn’t work. Also, driving on clearish pavement is much harder. Which is why I always would drive in the powder or fresh snow as it gives more traction. Turning of the wheel must be done slower n you never stop or accelerate fast. If you start sliding, there is a way of turning the wheel so you get more cross section into the turn. At any rate, it was a fun episode!
for the purposes of the test, it doesn't matter. what they're looking at is the difference between forward and backward, they aren't looking at which drive set (or driver) is any good in the snow/ice. and the difference will be shown for a 1st time driver, and for a pro, and for everyone in between.
Having grown up in Massachusetts, I'm not so sure that even people who have driven in snow and ice all their lives are any better at it than Kari was. Then again, living in Seattle now, even half an inch of snow tends to turn this city into a horror show as the already-terrible drivers (who can't even drive in the rain...in Seattle...) completely lose all sense of how to operate a motor vehicle.
They're functioning as their own control, so it still has validity. They did perfectly fine going forward, and the results of the reverse test are being compared to their forward test. Besides, even the most experienced driver has very little experience going 15 mph through twists and turns in reverse, so it likely wouldn't matter much.
As a Canadian living in the province of Quebec, I learned to drive in the winter in a rear wheel drive car. This was nearly fifty years ago when most cars on the road in North America were rear wheel drive. Ten years or so later, with more and more cars imported from Europe and Asia, front wheel drive was becoming more the norm. So I have experience driving both types on snow and ice. With the older rear wheel drive cars, many people would put sand bags in the trunk to give a little more weight on the driving wheels. Plus, the sand could come in handy if one did get stuck. Anyway, I never really did that. I found the older cars had more traction when starting from a standing stop. This was due to the torque on the rear wheels lifting the front of the car a bit, making the front a little lighter and the rear a little heavier. With front wheel drive, going forward from a standing stop has the same weight shifting effect on the car. But now the driving wheels have less weight on them so they easily lose traction. However, if driven in reverse gear, the weight is shifted on the front powered wheels and so they have a bit more traction. I was taught in driver's ed. that the secret to having control while steering was to not step on the brakes in the turn. The front wheels, having no power, will just roll as long as they are not locked up by braking. The trick is to just keep the front wheels pointed where you want to go and not get freaked out if the back fish-tails a bit. As long as the front wheels have traction, you can always correct any back end sway by continuously pointing the wheel where you want to go. Of course, the right speed is very important. Too fast and the fish-tailing will be too pronounced and you will quickly lose control and start skidding and sliding. When I started driving front wheel drive cars, I had to change my technique. Because, now the wheels that steer are also the ones that skid from spinning too fast. I found it quite unnerving when I had a front end skid. I must admit that I have never figured out how race drivers in winter rallies manage to keep up speed and maintain control. A couple of tips when driving on snow and ice. Go easy on the brakes. Nowadays, many vehicles have anti-lock brakes, but it is still better to avoid stepping on the brakes when turning. If the wheels are spinning at the right speed, they will hold onto the road. But if the wheels lock, even if only for a second, they can easily go into a skid. And they are spinning too fast, they will also lose their grip. And go easy on the accelerator pedal. I've seen too many drivers flooring it when they're stuck. The wheels are spinning far too quickly to be able to grip the road surface. And sustained spinning of the wheels, with the pedal to the metal, only polishes the ice, making it even harder to get any traction. In fact, I usually slow down way before I reach an intersection with a stop sign. Because too many previous drivers have floored the gas and turned the area just before the stop into an ice rink! And if you are stuck and you can't get traction, don't hold the gas pedal down, hoping you'll eventually start moving. Instead, use short bursts of gas and release the pedal. As the wheels slow down, there will be a point where they will be spinning at just the right speed to grab the road surface. I remember using this technique while driving a '76 Honda Civic up a steep, snowy road, and passing a bunch of other drivers who were flooring it and getting nowhere. Finally, put snow tires on your car. It seems like every year at the first heavy snow fall, I see people who wipe out because they are driving on summer tires. Or because they've forgotten how to drive in the winter.
Lots of interesting and helpful information here. Sometimes I just wanna move to a different state where there's little or no snow. But I know that I'd miss it.
Wow, that is quite the treatise on dealing with winter driving conditions. All of it good information for winter drivers to know. Would just add to your winter tire advice, don't procrastinate putting them on. That's why so many are caught out by the first heavy snowfall. Coincidentally, i too learned how to drive in Québec during winter back in the 70s. My birthday is in February, so that's when i took the Driver's Ed course. I had a really good instructor & lucked out for the last 2 hours of practical training. The student who was supposed to go after me had cancelled, so he offered to let me take their place & do my last 2 hours together, so i agreed. It was snowing lightly when the session began, & before the end of the 1st hour it had gotten extremely heavy & was getting heavier. Before starting the 2nd hour, he asked if i wanted to finish another day, but urged me to continue as it was a great learning opportunity. By the end of the session, i was confidently driving on icy roads, in white-out conditions. He taught me so much, going way beyond the usual training. He took me to an icy, snowy empty parking lot & had me skid out on purpose several times so i could practice maintaining control. It was quite the adrenaline rush. I am forever grateful & was especially so when i had to make a 160K (for 🇺🇸, that's kilometres, not thousands) emergency trip in white-out conditions at night. It was only me & truckers on the highway, which was the easy part. Unfortunately, the last stretch was winding country roads with various states of ice & snow coverage. 5K from my destination, at the bottom of a curving slope, i started to spin out, but miraculously, there was a business with a parking lot that i could redirect to & finish my 180 spin off the road. The trip took me an hour longer than usual & i was totally shattered when i arrived, but at least i was in one piece.
the "standing stop" note is really interesting as often theres two coefficients of friction for any material. a static coefficient and a kinetic coefficient. Basically when an object is not in motion and when in motion. The coefficient is often, if not always lower when moving. So not only would you have better traction at a standing stop due to the inherent kinematics of the car but also due to just friction being an lower once you start moving
I have to fully agree with Jamie at the end there. I really wouldn't be willing to call this busted based on their tests, because while yes, they didn't have an avalanche, they were also testing on what seemed like a decently "low risk" mountain in an area where avalanche prevention methods regularly take place. Even when they did get avalanches via explosives, they were "relatively" tame. Still more than capable of being lethal of course, but nowhere near what you'd be likely to see in a less curated mountain range. Calling this one busted is like saying there's no risk of getting bitten by dogs just because you pet one once at someone's house. Sure, there's a decent chance you'll be fine, but you also shouldn't go up to every stray dog you see thinking they're just as friendly. A small sample size without accounting for variables does not lead to accurate scientific results.
The firearms portion backs up this idea as the sections of the Alps that featured heavy combat during WW1 were, and still are to a degree, known to be pretty dangerous and avalanche prone even at the best of times. The only way to truly bust this myth would be to do it somewhere that would be far too dangerous to film.
Totally agree with both. They have no idea what evidence that it can happen so it is “busted”; but the sample size and variance was low so busted for them in this instance is not truly busted always.
@@leodouskyron5671 That's the issue with doing these "scientific studies" for a TV program. They only have so many destinations that they can get to, so many tries that they can make, and so many variables that can be accounted for, because they have to get the episode on the air by a certain date and time. Hell, I remember the expert/analyst they brought in for the helium football test calling their results "inconclusive" because they brought her a few dozen data points when she was expecting *thousands* of data points. As much as I love this show, and I respect the intelligence and problem-solving abilities of everyone involved, there have been plenty of times where certain variables were overlooked or their solutions were working against what they were trying to accomplish. But, I think that's also something that us "armchair scientists" forget: that screwing up and improving the method is also part of the scientific process. Finding the errors, refining the method, and executing the test in a better way is a hallmark of science. Like Adam himself once said, "Failure is always an option." Yes, the cast of this show was full of intelligent people; that doesn't mean that they're infallible, or they don't make mistakes or can have bad judgment, or that they have no cognitive bias. I remember Jamie saying at the end of one of the fan revisit episodes, that it's okay for the fans to show that they were wrong about things, because it shows him that people are thinking critically, and he wanted to encourage people to keep thinking critically about the world around them. Sorry, I didn't mean to turn this into such a rant. I just wanted to add to the discussion lol
Honestly, I loved seeing two middle-aged VFX guys go yell at, whip, and fire sub machine guns at a mountain.. until they resorted to explosives to force an avalanche 😂
The poor wolf at 13:42 looked so confused by the yodeling, it seemed he really didn't know what to make of it. 😂 When they first mentioned throwing dynamite out of a helicopter, i instantly thought of all the pre-teen boys that dropped a cherry bomb into a school toilet & how much they would love the thought of doing this themselves. I wonder why i would think such a thing. 😂
I remember posting a thread on the fansite about the Avalanche via Noise myth. I've always wondered if that post had a hand in inspiring this episode. Probably not, but it'd be super cool if it did!
Or call that 1 foot of snow the aftermath of a blizzard... seriously, we get more snow than that overnight in a regular winter in Norway. Now if it was four or five feet overnight THEN we might call it a blizzard. MAYBE
I lived in Central New York for a little over 40 years and we'd typically get 120 inches of snow per season which would often include Halloween and Easter. So yeah, we learn about driving on snow when we first learn to drive.
As a native born upstate new York resident who grew up in Florida, but spent 1 year in North Carolina when i was 8. I vividly remember a state wide emergency declared for about 2 inches of snow in NC. Schools were closed and power was lost everywhere. The whole state only had a small handful of plow trucks 😂
Never let anyone who hasn't driven on packed snow or ice before, or slush, be the one to test myths. Only a fool would try take a corner that fast, in those conditions.
I'm not saying I disagree with you... but seeing a total novice try to adapt (or fail to adapt) to such an unfamiliar situation is entertaining as hell. Maybe it could have been its own separate test, but that wasn't the myth in question
There are avalanches that occur simply because the structure of the snow field cannot remain stable. Take one step back and you have a potential avalanche that does not require much provocation. There is a device called a "bird banger" that is used to scare birds away from airport runways. It consists of a starter pistol, a .22 blank and a rocket that perches on the muzzle. When the blank is fired, it sets the rocket off which goes a few hundred feet and then explodes an M-50 firecracker. I would like to have seen it used here.
I learned how to drive in the snow. I was in my dad’s 65 Chevy pickup in buffalo NY. He had me back out of the driveway and drive in reverse a mile down the road to a stop sign. His motto was If you can drive in reverse you can drive forward without a problem.
One reason driving in reverse is so hard is that it is the rearward wheels doing the turning so the car rotates quite differently. Combine that with only having one hand on the wheel and a less than ideal body position and you've got far less control even on dry tarmac.
Jamie was right on point with the avalance comment. There have been cases where a skier causes an avalance. I lived up at Tahoe for 5 years, and sometimes the conditions are such that they have closed the ski resorts down due to high avalance danger.
That happens a lot, sadly. Skiiers and hikers often cause the avalanches that kill them. Then you get stuff like cornices breaking off and it's a bad time. It's always a risk going through avalanche terrain, especially in the backcountry.
As for the tongue "myth"... I remember when I was in like grade 2 or 3, there was a kid who tried to lick the frost off of the metal window frame of our school bus in the middle of January. If you ever had to ride a school bus in the middle of a Canadian winter, you'd know that the heaters in the bus don't produce much heat (maybe just enough to keep your feet from freezing), so there's frost build-up everywhere. The poor kid was crying so much when he realized his tongue was not going to let go. Luckily, we were in the middle of a subdivision where a lot of kids were getting dropped off. One of the parents got a glass of hot water from their house, and they melted the frost that was sticking his tongue to the frame. I doubt that kid ever tried doing that again
In wyoming we used to fire 155mm artillery shells at the mountain to start an avalanche so no one would get hurt. It was also good training to hit targets for our arty boys
Having learned to drive in the Wyoming Rockies, with land yacht fwd, a rwd, and a 4x4 pickup and old k5 blazer...heavier the car the better you "stick" in slush and snow, which is why my convertible does just as good as a full sized 4x4 suv in slush and snow and only get stopped by ground clearance. Also the only way you're gonna grip on ice, is chains. i grew up in Chain laws 1 and 2 and chains are great, noisy, but great.
I remember in my unit while doing winter survival training, we would go to the top of a hill and "ride" a mini "avalanche" down the hill and then dig ourselves out
That sounds awful! You've got to be really careful to stay on top of the snow; being buried means you usually don't have enough room to do anything useful, and you have limited oxygen to boot. There's a reason that skiiers carry avalanche beacons. The shovel is to dig _other_ people out (or for digging at camp).
That didn't test traction, it tested torque. And testing something "safely out of range" is no way to test it. What they should have done is put speakers up in the danger zone and relay the yodling to THAT area.
With how common backup cameras are today the traction test would probably have a slightly better score due to the added visibility, but it would still be a dumb idea (and illegal) to do it on a real road.
I wish the show was still going. I never even knew they had a fan site when they were on the air lol. I would have pointed out a small issue with the driving test in the shop. They should have made the ice trays that they put the car on longer so the car would be perfectly flat instead of partly on tire ramps. Testing forward was slightly uphill and testing backward was slightly downhill, which I am fairly certain would skew the results. I would have also tested manual vs automatic. Growing up on the Canadian border, winter-time donuts were fun to do in the empty parking lots at night lol.
Driving in reverse is probably more about getting unstuck. Reverse is often the lowest gear that you have to work with and it can actually get you out of the deeper snow a lot easier. I think they just kind of took it to an extreme.
I remember watching this episode when it first aired. And I thought then, as I do now with the cars, driving forward and backwards that all three drivers having different driving skills should’ve driven all three vehicles to get a genuine outcome.
MythBusters misinterpreted the going backwards myth. When the myth said slip it was talking from the point of view of getting out when the car is already stuck or where 1st gear doesn't have enough torque to go on. Reverse is usually lower ratio than 1st gear, so going backwards should help like a low range gear box- torque. The context of the myth is not about control of a moving vehicle on a curvy road, it is about ability to progress up a slippery surface without getting stuck.
I remember watching A Christmas Story when I was young and I didn't believe a tongue would stick to cold metal. We had an old fridge that had some metal accent pieces in the freezer. I promptly went to the kitchen and stuck the tip of my tongue on it. Sure enough it froze! And what did I do? I freaked out and ripped the surface layers of my tongue skin off in panic. Where was Mythbusters when I was a kid? Thanks for the vid though!
Yeah driving in the snow is fun when there’s nothing to hit or fall into. Now try it with some other cars on the road and some massive farm ditches on either side.
They really should have has experienced winter drivers for the myth. So many if the issues with all the drive systems are just lack of experience and understanding of what a car does on snow and ice
It's a lot of fun when the conditions are right! It's terrible when conditions are bad (blowing snow, say), but you still have to get home. Driving on ice... pretty much always sucks unless it's in a wide-open area like a frozen lake. What's _really_ fun is riding a bicycle on snow and ice. Studded tires help.
Yeah... these folks had never driven in snow before. The hard part of snow driving is often getting started out from a stop, so testing that out is probably what you want. Nobody is going to drive in reverse for long distances in snow: it's _way_ too hard to see what you're doing. It's hard enough seeing what you're doing going forward when you have 6-foot (or more) piles of snow plowed up on either side. What's even harder is starting from a stop on a uphill incline: there's less force perpendicular to the ground for friction, and you have to generate enough parallel force to overcome gravity. Geometry works against you. Had the team really had time to think about driving in snow, they'd have considered the physics of wheels on snow and ice. It's actually some interesting science: balancing torque, friction, and the stress that snow/ice can support before things just spin. Ultimately, though, being a good driver in snow means making good decisions and knowing one's limitations. There's _always_ going to be a smaller margin for error, so best to walk or take the bus sometimes!
That tongue print on the pole was nothing. I had to glue my phone case with super glue, and I have a high quality finger imprint with my skin on. Though that was nothing compared to when I lost the finger prints on two fingers. That really hurt for a while
47:34 "if we are going to be scientific about it" .....we have to use the data from our 1(one) test faaaaar away from the real sweet spot and say that its busted.......common, thats pathetic
I did a similar thing to the tongue thing to myself by accident as a kid so I knew straight away this would work I was waiting for someone to pick me up, kinda leaning back and forth , touching an icy cold gate with my lips by accident My lips got stuck against it immidiately
I dont like this one at all. They only tried in once place, and didnt try to radiate the sound waves in any variable direction. I was a theatre sound student- you want to have sound encompass the breath of the area you are trying to populate. Thus, you usually want to be going downward. If they had tried say, at the top of the mountain, where the waves could have more air area in which to radiate and bounce off of the terrain, they may have had a different result.
Ultimately you want the pressure level be enough to trigger snow movement, so a focused sound source directed at a weak point in the snow will work better than sound that radiates in all directions. But explosives work better :-)
what's with the Colt 9mm SMG at 18:15 lol, seems like a random weapon to use for that animation especially when they're clearly using MP5s for the experiment
I'm a fairly talented and somewhat daring guy.... but I know for a FACT I'm clumsy enough that I'd drop one of those charges before it made it out the window!!
I don't know much about firearms, but I feel like they are shooting at a "target area" way too far away for those guns. Other forced avalanches that I've seen use full sized artillery pieces, not handheld guns.
yes your tounge stick to a iron pole at freezing temps! How do I know? experience :D Yes it hurts af, and yes I did it a second time but we managed to free me with warm water pouring over my tongue don't be an idiot and test it on your own, it gonna hurt :D
The weirdest part about driving in the snow for the first time for me was when it's for an extended period of time in active snow the snow rushing towards your eyes makes it so when you stop everything in your surroundings looks like it's raining towards you cause of an optical illusion that's happened and that was fuckin wild lol that and pulling into a pull off way too fast cause I didn't realize it was icy over there, accidentally drifting the rental car wasn't fun lol but I really don't get people's issue driving on the snow it really wasn't much different than normal driving you just gotta pay a bit more attention which can make it a bit more fatiguing or nerve wracking but its really not that bad. Up there outside of town in the snowy areas where the highways weren't fully clear people would just drive on the center line cause there's so few people up there and move over when someone was coming the opposite way which was nice cause some of those edges on those highways through the mountains weren't fun to think about possibly sliding towards lol
Somehow I don't think people who want to live in California have a lot of desire to visit snowy states in winter unless it's for skiing. And then, the roads are usually very well maintained to/from the slopes. So if you're along Lake Erie, you're probably good :-)
@@noodlelynoodle. Oh man... driving in blowing snow is really dangerous. It _is_ raining, really, and the flakes are bigger. You got a hard lesson. Sure, it's fun--but the margin for error is a lot less, as you found out. A lot also depends on how well-maintained local roads are. A well-plowed road after a two-foot snowfall is way nicer than an unplowed road after a 3-inch snowfall. Often the worst part of a winter drive is leaving your own neighborhood!
@jorymil I live in a touristy town along Lake Michigan. We get folks from all over in the summer. Had a couple from Louisiana get stuck at the gas station near me last winter, and I figured I'd help em out before they learned that tow trucks have a tourist tax around here. Got them out and explained snow tires to them, the fella asked me if he'd need them to go ice fishing the next day and I might've saved his life because we barely had enough ice for walking on, let alone driving
Yeah its official the rights are owned by an Australian company called "Banijay Science" they have a channel on youtube with full episodes there too, but they make up their own titles for some reason which is kinda annyoing.
@@jinglemyberries866 it's official, yet not official. Run times for MB in the States (and presumably Canada) were barely 40 minutes (Adam stated that in a TESTED episode). Run times for overseas? Almost 50 minutes. So, by North American standards, these are not official...stupid commercials 🤬🤬
At least three or four of the latest episodes have been reposts of episodes already present on this channel. Whoever is running this channel needs to get their shit together.
@@flack3 Yeah, it's not brilliant... Though to be fair, these episodes are old enough to vote, so they might have not even been shot in HD. Or even if they were shot in HD, the final edit could have been exported in SD. So higher quality uploads at this point might require going back to source material, or faking it with upscaling. It'd be nice if they bothered, but for now I'd settle for no reposts... baby steps. :D
I'm just glad we have full episodes free period. Most stuff these days is squeezed for as much money as possible, locked behind paywall after paywall. Just be glad it's here period.
Here's the thing about the Driving in Reverse one. What practical application does that have? What real world situation are you going to be driving fast on ice, and ALSO be able to drive in complete reverse?
I’d say going fast absolutely not but if you were say on a middle of nowhere road and had to get up a slope-plus if you still start slipping back down, you’re facing the way the car is sliding so you can handle it better
The practical application is generally when starting while stopped: that's always the most difficult place to get traction. Nobody in their right mind would drive for long distances in reverse in the snow. The show was more for entertainment than instructional value.
They did, it was the bulletproof episode. They both tried to make bulletproof solutions from the shop. Adam went with oobleck, and it didn't stop much.
In the case of an avalanche, older mountains, like the ones in Europe, are more likely, I think, to have avalanches. As to what I mean, I know that most mountains are about the same age, but more people have traversed European mountains more than the mountains here in North America.
I lost my shit when i saw 2 americans wearing the swiss flag around the cow girl attempting to yodel through a megaphone 😅 those were simpler times for sure.
@@MikeM-wz2mh Ski patrol symbols do involve crosses and in some countries outside of switzerland they even come in red and white! However they are circular. Respect to the californian boys on giving this a go on a budget, but it's still hilarious to watch giving out such a disney land vibe.
I think they inadvertently confirmed a myth that they weren’t trying to. It turns out that women really are the worst drivers because kari did way worse than grant and tory haha. (Calm down it’s only a joke) 😂
Not even 10 minuets in and my autism is kicking into high gear doing physic calculations. J=(W/M2) x (M2) x (S) to find at what scale bass frequency for the miniature model and distance a speaker needs to be placed so that the spine wave can trigger an avalanche. Meanwhile using 90 pascals as a test seeing how that's Adam's loudest frequency at close range.
I learned how to drive in the snow. I was in my dad’s 65 Chevy pickup in buffalo NY. He had me back out of the driveway and drive in reverse a mile down the road to a stop sign. His motto was If you can drive in reverse you can drive forward without a problem.
Kind of similar; my dad taught me reverse too. My first car was a manual transmission truck. He took me out to my grandpa’s ranch. Parked in front of an empty hay silo; there about five metal pillars in a row. He told me to do reverse 8s around the poles. Said I should learn how the car feels, get reverse down easy without worrying about the clutch. Did some nice 8s, then he said pop it in first. Get reverse down, going forward becomes easy.
Adam: yodeling softly
Adam one minute later: YOOODEEELLLLLLLLLLL
Came here for this comment😭😭
He has two settings: Goofy, and Goofy but louder.
Man getting the beyond versions of these episodes is great it’s like getting all new mythbusters with the extra 15 minutes back.
People who haven't driven in snow and ice before are NOT the ones who should be doing this test. Kari didn't have a chance
I agree. Growing up in NY state, I learned to drive in snow. You can’t drive as you normally would on dry roads.
I saw too much normal acceleration which doesn’t work. Also, driving on clearish pavement is much harder. Which is why I always would drive in the powder or fresh snow as it gives more traction.
Turning of the wheel must be done slower n you never stop or accelerate fast. If you start sliding, there is a way of turning the wheel so you get more cross section into the turn.
At any rate, it was a fun episode!
for the purposes of the test, it doesn't matter. what they're looking at is the difference between forward and backward, they aren't looking at which drive set (or driver) is any good in the snow/ice. and the difference will be shown for a 1st time driver, and for a pro, and for everyone in between.
I agree but still a fun episode!
Having grown up in Massachusetts, I'm not so sure that even people who have driven in snow and ice all their lives are any better at it than Kari was.
Then again, living in Seattle now, even half an inch of snow tends to turn this city into a horror show as the already-terrible drivers (who can't even drive in the rain...in Seattle...) completely lose all sense of how to operate a motor vehicle.
They're functioning as their own control, so it still has validity. They did perfectly fine going forward, and the results of the reverse test are being compared to their forward test. Besides, even the most experienced driver has very little experience going 15 mph through twists and turns in reverse, so it likely wouldn't matter much.
The yodeling lady was such a delight.
the way she eyed the mountain after giving it a properly good yell, i got a good giggle out of that
she was just there to vibe with nature honestly and it was great
As a Canadian living in the province of Quebec, I learned to drive in the winter in a rear wheel drive car. This was nearly fifty years ago when most cars on the road in North America were rear wheel drive. Ten years or so later, with more and more cars imported from Europe and Asia, front wheel drive was becoming more the norm. So I have experience driving both types on snow and ice. With the older rear wheel drive cars, many people would put sand bags in the trunk to give a little more weight on the driving wheels. Plus, the sand could come in handy if one did get stuck. Anyway, I never really did that. I found the older cars had more traction when starting from a standing stop. This was due to the torque on the rear wheels lifting the front of the car a bit, making the front a little lighter and the rear a little heavier. With front wheel drive, going forward from a standing stop has the same weight shifting effect on the car. But now the driving wheels have less weight on them so they easily lose traction. However, if driven in reverse gear, the weight is shifted on the front powered wheels and so they have a bit more traction.
I was taught in driver's ed. that the secret to having control while steering was to not step on the brakes in the turn. The front wheels, having no power, will just roll as long as they are not locked up by braking. The trick is to just keep the front wheels pointed where you want to go and not get freaked out if the back fish-tails a bit. As long as the front wheels have traction, you can always correct any back end sway by continuously pointing the wheel where you want to go. Of course, the right speed is very important. Too fast and the fish-tailing will be too pronounced and you will quickly lose control and start skidding and sliding.
When I started driving front wheel drive cars, I had to change my technique. Because, now the wheels that steer are also the ones that skid from spinning too fast. I found it quite unnerving when I had a front end skid. I must admit that I have never figured out how race drivers in winter rallies manage to keep up speed and maintain control.
A couple of tips when driving on snow and ice. Go easy on the brakes. Nowadays, many vehicles have anti-lock brakes, but it is still better to avoid stepping on the brakes when turning. If the wheels are spinning at the right speed, they will hold onto the road. But if the wheels lock, even if only for a second, they can easily go into a skid. And they are spinning too fast, they will also lose their grip.
And go easy on the accelerator pedal. I've seen too many drivers flooring it when they're stuck. The wheels are spinning far too quickly to be able to grip the road surface. And sustained spinning of the wheels, with the pedal to the metal, only polishes the ice, making it even harder to get any traction. In fact, I usually slow down way before I reach an intersection with a stop sign. Because too many previous drivers have floored the gas and turned the area just before the stop into an ice rink! And if you are stuck and you can't get traction, don't hold the gas pedal down, hoping you'll eventually start moving. Instead, use short bursts of gas and release the pedal. As the wheels slow down, there will be a point where they will be spinning at just the right speed to grab the road surface. I remember using this technique while driving a '76 Honda Civic up a steep, snowy road, and passing a bunch of other drivers who were flooring it and getting nowhere.
Finally, put snow tires on your car. It seems like every year at the first heavy snow fall, I see people who wipe out because they are driving on summer tires. Or because they've forgotten how to drive in the winter.
Lots of interesting and helpful information here. Sometimes I just wanna move to a different state where there's little or no snow. But I know that I'd miss it.
I'm from Minnesota and I can confirm. My old Ford is front wheel drive and it sure is tricky in the winter. Especially in wet snow.
Wow, that is quite the treatise on dealing with winter driving conditions. All of it good information for winter drivers to know. Would just add to your winter tire advice, don't procrastinate putting them on. That's why so many are caught out by the first heavy snowfall.
Coincidentally, i too learned how to drive in Québec during winter back in the 70s. My birthday is in February, so that's when i took the Driver's Ed course. I had a really good instructor & lucked out for the last 2 hours of practical training. The student who was supposed to go after me had cancelled, so he offered to let me take their place & do my last 2 hours together, so i agreed. It was snowing lightly when the session began, & before the end of the 1st hour it had gotten extremely heavy & was getting heavier. Before starting the 2nd hour, he asked if i wanted to finish another day, but urged me to continue as it was a great learning opportunity. By the end of the session, i was confidently driving on icy roads, in white-out conditions. He taught me so much, going way beyond the usual training. He took me to an icy, snowy empty parking lot & had me skid out on purpose several times so i could practice maintaining control. It was quite the adrenaline rush. I am forever grateful & was especially so when i had to make a 160K (for 🇺🇸, that's kilometres, not thousands) emergency trip in white-out conditions at night. It was only me & truckers on the highway, which was the easy part. Unfortunately, the last stretch was winding country roads with various states of ice & snow coverage. 5K from my destination, at the bottom of a curving slope, i started to spin out, but miraculously, there was a business with a parking lot that i could redirect to & finish my 180 spin off the road. The trip took me an hour longer than usual & i was totally shattered when i arrived, but at least i was in one piece.
Ok grandpa, let's get you back to bed.
the "standing stop" note is really interesting as often theres two coefficients of friction for any material. a static coefficient and a kinetic coefficient. Basically when an object is not in motion and when in motion. The coefficient is often, if not always lower when moving. So not only would you have better traction at a standing stop due to the inherent kinematics of the car but also due to just friction being an lower once you start moving
I have to fully agree with Jamie at the end there. I really wouldn't be willing to call this busted based on their tests, because while yes, they didn't have an avalanche, they were also testing on what seemed like a decently "low risk" mountain in an area where avalanche prevention methods regularly take place. Even when they did get avalanches via explosives, they were "relatively" tame. Still more than capable of being lethal of course, but nowhere near what you'd be likely to see in a less curated mountain range.
Calling this one busted is like saying there's no risk of getting bitten by dogs just because you pet one once at someone's house. Sure, there's a decent chance you'll be fine, but you also shouldn't go up to every stray dog you see thinking they're just as friendly. A small sample size without accounting for variables does not lead to accurate scientific results.
The firearms portion backs up this idea as the sections of the Alps that featured heavy combat during WW1 were, and still are to a degree, known to be pretty dangerous and avalanche prone even at the best of times. The only way to truly bust this myth would be to do it somewhere that would be far too dangerous to film.
Agreed. If anything, this one should have been ruled plausible.
It's one of those cases that the percentage of a loud noise causing an avalanche is low, but not zero.
Totally agree with both. They have no idea what evidence that it can happen so it is “busted”; but the sample size and variance was low so busted for them in this instance is not truly busted always.
@@leodouskyron5671 That's the issue with doing these "scientific studies" for a TV program. They only have so many destinations that they can get to, so many tries that they can make, and so many variables that can be accounted for, because they have to get the episode on the air by a certain date and time. Hell, I remember the expert/analyst they brought in for the helium football test calling their results "inconclusive" because they brought her a few dozen data points when she was expecting *thousands* of data points. As much as I love this show, and I respect the intelligence and problem-solving abilities of everyone involved, there have been plenty of times where certain variables were overlooked or their solutions were working against what they were trying to accomplish.
But, I think that's also something that us "armchair scientists" forget: that screwing up and improving the method is also part of the scientific process. Finding the errors, refining the method, and executing the test in a better way is a hallmark of science. Like Adam himself once said, "Failure is always an option." Yes, the cast of this show was full of intelligent people; that doesn't mean that they're infallible, or they don't make mistakes or can have bad judgment, or that they have no cognitive bias. I remember Jamie saying at the end of one of the fan revisit episodes, that it's okay for the fans to show that they were wrong about things, because it shows him that people are thinking critically, and he wanted to encourage people to keep thinking critically about the world around them.
Sorry, I didn't mean to turn this into such a rant. I just wanted to add to the discussion lol
That Coyote👀🐺was just looking like this when ole girl started Yodeling all weird! 😅😅that had me rolling!
Honestly, I loved seeing two middle-aged VFX guys go yell at, whip, and fire sub machine guns at a mountain.. until they resorted to explosives to force an avalanche 😂
The poor wolf at 13:42 looked so confused by the yodeling, it seemed he really didn't know what to make of it. 😂
When they first mentioned throwing dynamite out of a helicopter, i instantly thought of all the pre-teen boys that dropped a cherry bomb into a school toilet & how much they would love the thought of doing this themselves. I wonder why i would think such a thing. 😂
That was a coyote
I remember posting a thread on the fansite about the Avalanche via Noise myth. I've always wondered if that post had a hand in inspiring this episode. Probably not, but it'd be super cool if it did!
45:15 "Ride of the Valkyries" was just * chef's kiss *
Gooooooood morning Viieeetnaam!
Nah.
Has a northern Canadian it's insane for me to think about the fact that there's people that go their entire lives without ever driving on snow and ice
Or call that 1 foot of snow the aftermath of a blizzard... seriously, we get more snow than that overnight in a regular winter in Norway. Now if it was four or five feet overnight THEN we might call it a blizzard. MAYBE
Being from Minnesota, I agree. However, I have the odd trait of being nearly 30 and never having seen the ocean.
I lived in Central New York for a little over 40 years and we'd typically get 120 inches of snow per season which would often include Halloween and Easter. So yeah, we learn about driving on snow when we first learn to drive.
As a native born upstate new York resident who grew up in Florida, but spent 1 year in North Carolina when i was 8. I vividly remember a state wide emergency declared for about 2 inches of snow in NC. Schools were closed and power was lost everywhere. The whole state only had a small handful of plow trucks 😂
@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 hahhaha i find that so funny. We're just so used to it.
Listening to this episode on headphones while shoveling snow in the middle of a storm is Tight!
Never let anyone who hasn't driven on packed snow or ice before, or slush, be the one to test myths. Only a fool would try take a corner that fast, in those conditions.
I'm not saying I disagree with you... but seeing a total novice try to adapt (or fail to adapt) to such an unfamiliar situation is entertaining as hell. Maybe it could have been its own separate test, but that wasn't the myth in question
Watching Kari drive in reverse through anything with cones is entertainment value enough for me!
There are avalanches that occur simply because the structure of the snow field cannot remain stable. Take one step back and you have a potential avalanche that does not require much provocation.
There is a device called a "bird banger" that is used to scare birds away from airport runways. It consists of a starter pistol, a .22 blank and a rocket that perches on the muzzle. When the blank is fired, it sets the rocket off which goes a few hundred feet and then explodes an M-50 firecracker. I would like to have seen it used here.
I have had my fingers stick to metal in the cold. I've never been stupid enough to try it with my tongue.
I learned how to drive in the snow. I was in my dad’s 65 Chevy pickup in buffalo NY. He had me back out of the driveway and drive in reverse a mile down the road to a stop sign. His motto was If you can drive in reverse you can drive forward without a problem.
Ok and? Self obsessed old people smh
One reason driving in reverse is so hard is that it is the rearward wheels doing the turning so the car rotates quite differently. Combine that with only having one hand on the wheel and a less than ideal body position and you've got far less control even on dry tarmac.
Jamie as a snowman is priceless.
Jamie was right on point with the avalance comment. There have been cases where a skier causes an avalance. I lived up at Tahoe for 5 years, and sometimes the conditions are such that they have closed the ski resorts down due to high avalance danger.
That happens a lot, sadly. Skiiers and hikers often cause the avalanches that kill them. Then you get stuff like cornices breaking off and it's a bad time. It's always a risk going through avalanche terrain, especially in the backcountry.
As for the tongue "myth"... I remember when I was in like grade 2 or 3, there was a kid who tried to lick the frost off of the metal window frame of our school bus in the middle of January. If you ever had to ride a school bus in the middle of a Canadian winter, you'd know that the heaters in the bus don't produce much heat (maybe just enough to keep your feet from freezing), so there's frost build-up everywhere. The poor kid was crying so much when he realized his tongue was not going to let go. Luckily, we were in the middle of a subdivision where a lot of kids were getting dropped off. One of the parents got a glass of hot water from their house, and they melted the frost that was sticking his tongue to the frame. I doubt that kid ever tried doing that again
In wyoming we used to fire 155mm artillery shells at the mountain to start an avalanche so no one would get hurt. It was also good training to hit targets for our arty boys
I promise I don't mean this negatively, but that has got to be the most American thing I think I've ever heard 🫡 🇺🇸
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@@thestraydogit may be but other countries do it too lol
@redneckinfantry5059 everytime we went to the park over Sylvan pass, we used to see the Hoitzer on the other side of the canyon just for that!
What year it was ?
Jamie's right - the sample size they used was way too small for any meaningful conclusion.
Having learned to drive in the Wyoming Rockies, with land yacht fwd, a rwd, and a 4x4 pickup and old k5 blazer...heavier the car the better you "stick" in slush and snow, which is why my convertible does just as good as a full sized 4x4 suv in slush and snow and only get stopped by ground clearance. Also the only way you're gonna grip on ice, is chains. i grew up in Chain laws 1 and 2 and chains are great, noisy, but great.
I remember in my unit while doing winter survival training, we would go to the top of a hill and "ride" a mini "avalanche" down the hill and then dig ourselves out
That sounds awful! You've got to be really careful to stay on top of the snow; being buried means you usually don't have enough room to do anything useful, and you have limited oxygen to boot. There's a reason that skiiers carry avalanche beacons. The shovel is to dig _other_ people out (or for digging at camp).
"this megaphone should handle it"
With all of its 1500Hz range..
So if the environment is cold enough any part of your skin can stick to metal and beyond a certain point it will damage the skin.
That didn't test traction, it tested torque. And testing something "safely out of range" is no way to test it. What they should have done is put speakers up in the danger zone and relay the yodling to THAT area.
The driving on ice 4wd was incorrect. Unless you have lockers, it is still 2wd because of the open diff's.
With how common backup cameras are today the traction test would probably have a slightly better score due to the added visibility, but it would still be a dumb idea (and illegal) to do it on a real road.
31:50 not release gas at any cost 😆
I love the driving in reverse, just get a rear wheel drive. lol
I'm with Kari on this one. I am not easily grossed out, but all that playing with the saliva was turning my guts.
I wish the show was still going. I never even knew they had a fan site when they were on the air lol. I would have pointed out a small issue with the driving test in the shop. They should have made the ice trays that they put the car on longer so the car would be perfectly flat instead of partly on tire ramps. Testing forward was slightly uphill and testing backward was slightly downhill, which I am fairly certain would skew the results. I would have also tested manual vs automatic. Growing up on the Canadian border, winter-time donuts were fun to do in the empty parking lots at night lol.
Driving in reverse is probably more about getting unstuck. Reverse is often the lowest gear that you have to work with and it can actually get you out of the deeper snow a lot easier. I think they just kind of took it to an extreme.
I remember watching this episode when it first aired.
And I thought then, as I do now with the cars, driving forward and backwards that all three drivers having different driving skills should’ve driven all three vehicles to get a genuine outcome.
MythBusters misinterpreted the going backwards myth. When the myth said slip it was talking from the point of view of getting out when the car is already stuck or where 1st gear doesn't have enough torque to go on.
Reverse is usually lower ratio than 1st gear, so going backwards should help like a low range gear box- torque. The context of the myth is not about control of a moving vehicle on a curvy road, it is about ability to progress up a slippery surface without getting stuck.
I remember watching A Christmas Story when I was young and I didn't believe a tongue would stick to cold metal. We had an old fridge that had some metal accent pieces in the freezer. I promptly went to the kitchen and stuck the tip of my tongue on it. Sure enough it froze! And what did I do? I freaked out and ripped the surface layers of my tongue skin off in panic. Where was Mythbusters when I was a kid? Thanks for the vid though!
What a snowy episode
I've done the flagpole thing. It's unpleasant, but it isn't *that* unpleasant. If you have a thermos of coffee waiting, you'll be just fine.
Yeah driving in the snow is fun when there’s nothing to hit or fall into. Now try it with some other cars on the road and some massive farm ditches on either side.
At night!
They really should have has experienced winter drivers for the myth. So many if the issues with all the drive systems are just lack of experience and understanding of what a car does on snow and ice
You don'y have to drive backwards allways, you go reverse only when you need some more grip just for few meters otherwise you get stuck
He felt that feeling in Vietnam
I'm glad that I don't have to drive on ice or snow. 🧊 ❄️
It's a lot of fun when the conditions are right! It's terrible when conditions are bad (blowing snow, say), but you still have to get home. Driving on ice... pretty much always sucks unless it's in a wide-open area like a frozen lake. What's _really_ fun is riding a bicycle on snow and ice. Studded tires help.
Eu quero !!! 😍😍😍
Man, I want to drive a Mustang convertible on a frozen lake, or whatever they're on!
Pretty sure they did the cabin fever special first, and that was snow related...
Yeah... these folks had never driven in snow before. The hard part of snow driving is often getting started out from a stop, so testing that out is probably what you want. Nobody is going to drive in reverse for long distances in snow: it's _way_ too hard to see what you're doing. It's hard enough seeing what you're doing going forward when you have 6-foot (or more) piles of snow plowed up on either side.
What's even harder is starting from a stop on a uphill incline: there's less force perpendicular to the ground for friction, and you have to generate enough parallel force to overcome gravity. Geometry works against you. Had the team really had time to think about driving in snow, they'd have considered the physics of wheels on snow and ice. It's actually some interesting science: balancing torque, friction, and the stress that snow/ice can support before things just spin.
Ultimately, though, being a good driver in snow means making good decisions and knowing one's limitations. There's _always_ going to be a smaller margin for error, so best to walk or take the bus sometimes!
Anyone remember the yodeling kid a few years back that became a meme?
The cameraman never dies.
10:50 Jamie is a proper mountain man
That tongue print on the pole was nothing. I had to glue my phone case with super glue, and I have a high quality finger imprint with my skin on.
Though that was nothing compared to when I lost the finger prints on two fingers. That really hurt for a while
If u wanna find out the tongue to pole thing just watch the dudesons summer job episode lol
47:34 "if we are going to be scientific about it" .....we have to use the data from our 1(one) test faaaaar away from the real sweet spot and say that its busted.......common, thats pathetic
what i know is IF YOU WANT TO DO DONUTS in front wheel car going backwards is better.
Anytime they bring on some random niche expert like the yodel lady, they always seem totally rad
I did a similar thing to the tongue thing to myself by accident as a kid so I knew straight away this would work
I was waiting for someone to pick me up, kinda leaning back and forth , touching an icy cold gate with my lips by accident
My lips got stuck against it immidiately
I dont like this one at all. They only tried in once place, and didnt try to radiate the sound waves in any variable direction. I was a theatre sound student- you want to have sound encompass the breath of the area you are trying to populate. Thus, you usually want to be going downward. If they had tried say, at the top of the mountain, where the waves could have more air area in which to radiate and bounce off of the terrain, they may have had a different result.
Ultimately you want the pressure level be enough to trigger snow movement, so a focused sound source directed at a weak point in the snow will work better than sound that radiates in all directions. But explosives work better :-)
8:36 perfect time to use meat glue. Look it up, its actually quite disturbing if it gets on you
what's with the Colt 9mm SMG at 18:15 lol, seems like a random weapon to use for that animation especially when they're clearly using MP5s for the experiment
The fox was so cute
😀😀😀 ala li la la li a
I'm a fairly talented and somewhat daring guy.... but I know for a FACT I'm clumsy enough that I'd drop one of those charges before it made it out the window!!
You need much stonger machine guns than that
I don't know much about firearms, but I feel like they are shooting at a "target area" way too far away for those guns. Other forced avalanches that I've seen use full sized artillery pieces, not handheld guns.
7:27 hawk tuah
Coolest
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To much commercials. To much to subscription i watch them more times or just put them on as noise. Juat au the beginning of an episode is fine
yes your tounge stick to a iron pole at freezing temps! How do I know? experience :D
Yes it hurts af, and yes I did it a second time but we managed to free me with warm water pouring over my tongue
don't be an idiot and test it on your own, it gonna hurt :D
I like snow! 🤩I think it's cool🆒
Could wear on the tire be the reason for increased traction? Maybe the tread is worn more in one direction?
The tongue/saliva bit was too disgusting. I wish they hadn't done that.
Season 5 episode 13
23:42 14 WHAT?!?!?
Degrees in Fahrenheit, I think
when they were fighting a war back in the day they were using rifles. not pissy little 9mm. "we tried guns" no you tried peashooters
The Real lesson here is that California drivers can stay away from us snow getting states
The weirdest part about driving in the snow for the first time for me was when it's for an extended period of time in active snow the snow rushing towards your eyes makes it so when you stop everything in your surroundings looks like it's raining towards you cause of an optical illusion that's happened and that was fuckin wild lol that and pulling into a pull off way too fast cause I didn't realize it was icy over there, accidentally drifting the rental car wasn't fun lol but I really don't get people's issue driving on the snow it really wasn't much different than normal driving you just gotta pay a bit more attention which can make it a bit more fatiguing or nerve wracking but its really not that bad. Up there outside of town in the snowy areas where the highways weren't fully clear people would just drive on the center line cause there's so few people up there and move over when someone was coming the opposite way which was nice cause some of those edges on those highways through the mountains weren't fun to think about possibly sliding towards lol
Somehow I don't think people who want to live in California have a lot of desire to visit snowy states in winter unless it's for skiing. And then, the roads are usually very well maintained to/from the slopes. So if you're along Lake Erie, you're probably good :-)
@@noodlelynoodle. Oh man... driving in blowing snow is really dangerous. It _is_ raining, really, and the flakes are bigger. You got a hard lesson. Sure, it's fun--but the margin for error is a lot less, as you found out. A lot also depends on how well-maintained local roads are. A well-plowed road after a two-foot snowfall is way nicer than an unplowed road after a 3-inch snowfall. Often the worst part of a winter drive is leaving your own neighborhood!
@jorymil I live in a touristy town along Lake Michigan. We get folks from all over in the summer. Had a couple from Louisiana get stuck at the gas station near me last winter, and I figured I'd help em out before they learned that tow trucks have a tourist tax around here. Got them out and explained snow tires to them, the fella asked me if he'd need them to go ice fishing the next day and I might've saved his life because we barely had enough ice for walking on, let alone driving
wait, is this all official?
nope and the majority of uploads are the same 20-30 episodes
Yeah its official the rights are owned by an Australian company called "Banijay Science" they have a channel on youtube with full episodes there too, but they make up their own titles for some reason which is kinda annyoing.
@@jinglemyberries866 it's official, yet not official. Run times for MB in the States (and presumably Canada) were barely 40 minutes (Adam stated that in a TESTED episode). Run times for overseas? Almost 50 minutes. So, by North American standards, these are not official...stupid commercials 🤬🤬
shoot bigger bullets
this episode is also called the alaska special
I accidentally got my tongue stuck to my freezer door-I opened it to fast and it bounced back and hit me in the mouth
At least three or four of the latest episodes have been reposts of episodes already present on this channel. Whoever is running this channel needs to get their shit together.
480P uploads none the less. The person in charge of this channel is clueless lol
@@flack3 Yeah, it's not brilliant...
Though to be fair, these episodes are old enough to vote, so they might have not even been shot in HD. Or even if they were shot in HD, the final edit could have been exported in SD. So higher quality uploads at this point might require going back to source material, or faking it with upscaling.
It'd be nice if they bothered, but for now I'd settle for no reposts... baby steps. :D
I'm glad because I haven't seen these yet
The channel is run by Buster AI. It was created using the remnants of the original Buster and pig brains.
I'm just glad we have full episodes free period. Most stuff these days is squeezed for as much money as possible, locked behind paywall after paywall. Just be glad it's here period.
I'm biggest fan of mytbusters experiments i wise i want to be part of mytbusters in future😅
Hate to break it to ya boss, mythbusters is over
Here's the thing about the Driving in Reverse one. What practical application does that have? What real world situation are you going to be driving fast on ice, and ALSO be able to drive in complete reverse?
I’d say going fast absolutely not but if you were say on a middle of nowhere road and had to get up a slope-plus if you still start slipping back down, you’re facing the way the car is sliding so you can handle it better
The practical application is generally when starting while stopped: that's always the most difficult place to get traction. Nobody in their right mind would drive for long distances in reverse in the snow. The show was more for entertainment than instructional value.
An American yodeling 😂😂😂
Try firing bullet at non neutainial fluid
They did, it was the bulletproof episode. They both tried to make bulletproof solutions from the shop. Adam went with oobleck, and it didn't stop much.
In the case of an avalanche, older mountains, like the ones in Europe, are more likely, I think, to have avalanches. As to what I mean, I know that most mountains are about the same age, but more people have traversed European mountains more than the mountains here in North America.
I lost my shit when i saw 2 americans wearing the swiss flag around the cow girl attempting to yodel through a megaphone 😅
those were simpler times for sure.
That's not Swiss that's a ski patrol symbol!!!
@@MikeM-wz2mh Ski patrol symbols do involve crosses and in some countries outside of switzerland they even come in red and white! However they are circular.
Respect to the californian boys on giving this a go on a budget, but it's still hilarious to watch giving out such a disney land vibe.
Those folks in the red jackets with a white cross are ski patrol. That's their normal uniform, at least in north america.
I think they inadvertently confirmed a myth that they weren’t trying to. It turns out that women really are the worst drivers because kari did way worse than grant and tory haha. (Calm down it’s only a joke) 😂
The traction test is invalid. Car isn't on level ground.
Comment is invalid. Real world conditions for vehicles almost never have level ground. Thus, real world testing don't use level ground.
@MeepChangeling yes but the higher result was because it was going downhill. Think about it.
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Not even 10 minuets in and my autism is kicking into high gear doing physic calculations. J=(W/M2) x (M2) x (S) to find at what scale bass frequency for the miniature model and distance a speaker needs to be placed so that the spine wave can trigger an avalanche. Meanwhile using 90 pascals as a test seeing how that's Adam's loudest frequency at close range.
I learned how to drive in the snow. I was in my dad’s 65 Chevy pickup in buffalo NY. He had me back out of the driveway and drive in reverse a mile down the road to a stop sign. His motto was If you can drive in reverse you can drive forward without a problem.
Kind of similar; my dad taught me reverse too. My first car was a manual transmission truck. He took me out to my grandpa’s ranch. Parked in front of an empty hay silo; there about five metal pillars in a row. He told me to do reverse 8s around the poles. Said I should learn how the car feels, get reverse down easy without worrying about the clutch. Did some nice 8s, then he said pop it in first. Get reverse down, going forward becomes easy.